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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the showing. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have, Krystal?

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do.

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Speaker 1: Lots of interesting things we're taking a look at this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got some new pulling out of the Sunshine State

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Speaker 1: in the GOP primary, not good news for Ronda Santas.

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Speaker 1: Also some interesting pulling out of ioas that we bring

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Speaker 1: you up to date on all of that. New developments

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Speaker 1: in the Threads versus Twitter war, looks like Twitter has

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Speaker 1: actually been kind of immediately hurt by the advent of threads,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get into that as well. We also have

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Speaker 1: quite an interesting piece written by Joe Scarborough, of course,

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Speaker 1: multimillionaire MSNBC host, assuring everyone that actually the economy is

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Speaker 1: great and America is doing wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Please stop complaining.

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Speaker 1: We also have some updated numbers about the way America

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Speaker 1: feels about our institutions and trusted institutions. Not good news.

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Speaker 1: There some updates on this is an interesting story. So

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Speaker 1: apparently attendance at theme parks, in particular at Disney World

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Speaker 1: are way down. So why what exactly is going on there?

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Speaker 4: We will dig into that.

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Speaker 1: And we've got to update for you from our friends

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Speaker 1: at the View defending the fact that Joe Biden will

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Speaker 1: not even acknowledge the existence of his seventh grandchild. What

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Speaker 1: does that say about the man who really portrays himself

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Speaker 1: as a family man. Also, I am personally very excited

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Speaker 1: to welcome into the studio this morning the president of

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Speaker 1: the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

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Speaker 4: Of course, they are.

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Speaker 1: Facing a potential huge strike, one of the largest American

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Speaker 1: history of UPS workers if that goes through. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk to him about where negotiations stand right now.

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Speaker 1: But we wanted to start with the very latest in

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Speaker 1: terms of the GOP primary.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited for that one, in particular the EUPS interview.

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Speaker 3: But let's also talk a little bit about Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Now, one of the things, Crystal, that we talked here

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Speaker 2: about before is that for DeSantis, he has a two

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Speaker 3: Number One, the.

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Speaker 2: Guy has got to win Iowa and he has to

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Speaker 2: win New Hampshire. But also the death knell of any

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Speaker 2: presidential candidate is if you can win your own home state.

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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz proved his viability in the twenty sixteen race

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Speaker 2: when he was able to win the state of Texas.

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Speaker 2: John ka six also was able to win the state

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Speaker 2: of Ohio, And when Rubio lost the Florida primary to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he decided to drop out because it showed

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Speaker 2: that even though he represents that state, if he loses

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Speaker 2: to Trump, that means.

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Speaker 3: You cannot be the nominee.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, right now for Ron DeSantis, things are not

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Speaker 3: So right, let's go put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is the latest poll for the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: Florida Republican primary from the FAU University that shows GOP

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Speaker 2: likely voters, and the numbers are devastating for Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Trump currently stands at fifty percent, up twenty points over DeSantis,

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Speaker 2: who has about thirty percent. After that, everybody drops off

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Speaker 2: dramatically Ramaswami, Scott, Christy, Pence, Hutchinson, Haley pulling between one

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Speaker 2: other GOP contenders, Trump actually increases his support to fifty

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously, look.

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Speaker 2: It's one poll, but fau is you know, it's pretty

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Speaker 2: they visited some Florida diner and every single person is

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, And yesterday we covered the analysis of the

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Speaker 1: And the one that really jumped out for Ronda Santis

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Speaker 4: Talks about Florida all the time.

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Speaker 1: He talks about his record in Florida, the fact that,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he is losing quite handily to Trump

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Speaker 1: the mill candidate who is you know, losing their own

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Speaker 1: But I think for him it is a little bit

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Speaker 4: So much, and the fact that you have not only in.

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Speaker 1: The you know, wide open race with all the various

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Speaker 1: have some consolidation behind Ron DeSantis, Trump is still beating

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one little indicator. But if you aren't

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Speaker 2: One of the people who's been backing Rond de Santis

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Speaker 2: frustration from the Ron De Santis campaign. Perception is settling

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Speaker 2: in that something needs to happen, but everyone has a

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis's wife, Let's go and put this up there

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Speaker 2: the Florida First Lady is launching quote Mama's for DeSantis

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Speaker 2: This was from the Daily Mail, who took notice of

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Speaker 2: She's truly is like sole true counselor in terms of

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Speaker 2: It's very few people that he does him dispatching her

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Speaker 2: I think necessarily if that's fair or not. But I

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Speaker 2: do think that her pursuing solo campaign events that is

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Speaker 2: something that very few campaign spouses do in primary elections.

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Speaker 2: think of a single event that like Heidi Kruz did

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Speaker 2: You know, I think they had to drag her out,

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Speaker 1: Kelly did some back in the day for Obama.

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Speaker 3: I also do think that is a problem yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're clearly scrambling, you know, between this and

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Speaker 4: Maybe she should be the one, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's actually a former local team. You know, she's good. Actually,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're voting for you exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that you know, it's generally always the problem with

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Speaker 2: trying to get the wife to save your campaign. I've

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Speaker 2: also taken notice, you know, kind of the scrambling of

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about in these increasingly desperate attacks against Trump,

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Speaker 2: like the best attacks against trumphere he said he was

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Speaker 2: going to do X and then he literally didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: But now they're trying to flip things around. And DeSantis

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Speaker 2: out at Twitter over censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I think it's so convoluted is

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Speaker 2: he's trying to almost insert himself into a situation which

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: What can you do about it to straighten things out?

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Speaker 5: Given the fact that the Americans are sick and tired

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Speaker 2: So again I think that on the merits, he has

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Speaker 2: I'm coming back to almost like an Elizabeth Warren type

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Speaker 3: At fourteen percent.

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Speaker 2: But again, you know, forty four percent very near and

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Speaker 3: That is an issue.

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Speaker 2: I also think we need to hammer home, Crystal, what

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Speaker 3: One of these mailers for those who are just listening, says,

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Speaker 2: quote Advancing Our Values, which is a super pack. So

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Speaker 2: it clearly is picking up this attack after the DeSantis

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that you and Emily talked a

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Speaker 2: It's complicated because on the one hand, like, look, many

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Speaker 2: Polls that show that even older boomer Republicans support gay marriage,

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Speaker 2: So it's a viable political strategy, but it does read

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Speaker 4: But you know the problem.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that the Republican base is really

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that this attack has a lot

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Speaker 2: It also reminds me of the New York Values that

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Speaker 2: I don't invite her two events. Dysanctus is down forty

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Speaker 2: He doesn't ever seem to pay for any of these things.

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Speaker 2: He skips the des moines what affair or whatever that

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Speaker 2: DeSantis makes a show of going to.

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Speaker 3: But then the poll comes out show him and double digits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these ming ground literally, yeah, these Iowa politicians and

443
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Speaker 2: all these others, you know, Terry Brandstad and all these

444
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Speaker 2: people who used to work for him. They still have

445
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Speaker 2: yet remained, you know, kind of distant from Trump in

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Speaker 2: terms of their support. But at the end of the day,

447
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 2: and you know, many of them are trying to kind

448
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Speaker 2: of push DeSantis behind the scenes. But as you can

449
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Speaker 2: see too, if he gets even an inkling if you

450
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Speaker 2: remaining neutral, he will full blown just attack you. And

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Speaker 2: that's a problem for you. Yeah, never comes to GOP prime.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is Kim Renolds hasn't even

453
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Speaker 1: really picked anew even though I mean, I guess she's

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Speaker 1: been shown up like she was at that Mama's for

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Speaker 1: DeSantis event.

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Speaker 3: She would adorse.

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Speaker 1: DeSantis if she could, if she if she felt like

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a sort of death wish, political dust wish.

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Speaker 1: She clearly favors DeSantis, but wants to stay neutral because she,

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Speaker 1: you know, thinks that that's the smartest decision for her politically.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the normal rules of politics just don't apply

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, and they never have.

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Speaker 4: And you know, anyone.

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Speaker 1: Who thought like I'm going to rack up endorsements from

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Speaker 1: this popular governor that one, or Kim Reynolds is going

466
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Speaker 1: to appear at my like Women's Women for DeSantis event

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and that's going to be the key or

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Speaker 1: who thought, like DeSantis, I'm going to go through a

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Speaker 1: checklist of conservative policy priorities and pass them through the legislature.

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Speaker 1: None of the stuff is going to be is going

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Speaker 1: to work. That's just the bottom line. And you know

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Speaker 1: we've seen this in the past too. Even Look, he's

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Speaker 1: attacking DeSantis, who's popular in Florida with Republicans, and he's

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Speaker 1: going up in the polls. He you know, went aggressively

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Speaker 1: against Brian Kemp, who still was able to win reelection.

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Speaker 1: But I guarantee you who's probably up in Georgia as well, Iowa.

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Speaker 4: The same thing.

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Speaker 1: Do I think it's going to hurt him even a

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Speaker 1: tiny bit to go after a governor who Republicans like. No,

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Speaker 1: because they may like her, they probably like Trump even better.

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Speaker 2: You know, Brian Camp is actually a great example because

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Speaker 2: Brian Camp, despite being viciously attacked by Trump, you haven't

483
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Speaker 2: never actually responded, and he never made it about Trump.

484
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: He was just like, I'm a conservative, I've been standing

485
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Speaker 2: up for you guys. He never answered any of the

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Speaker 2: critiques and he never put Trump's name in his mouth.

487
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Speaker 2: By doing that, it was smart because he basically gave

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Speaker 2: people a choice. Says, look, I'm not against the guy.

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Speaker 2: We know we have this difference on all of this,

490
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Speaker 2: but I'm not running as some sort of anti Trump

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Speaker 2: Republican like Chris Christy. And there's a reason, by the way,

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Speaker 2: why Chris Christy has the lowest approval rating of any

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Speaker 2: Republican primary, any Republican primary aspirant, and.

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Speaker 3: It's because he directly takes Trump on.

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Speaker 2: The more that you go against him, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can try and have some distance between you. But if

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Speaker 2: you're saying his name and trying to draw this contrast,

498
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Speaker 2: people read this as an attack. I'll just end with this.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis put out a tweet trying to capitalize on the

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Speaker 2: divide with Kim Reynolds. He says, quote, Kim Reynolds is

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Speaker 2: a strong leader who knows how to ignore the chirping

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Speaker 2: and get it done. She earned a landslide reelection because

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Speaker 2: she delivered big results and is poised to deliver even

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Speaker 2: more for Iowans in the special session. So he continues

505
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Speaker 2: to court her. He basically doesn't open his mouth without saying, look,

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Speaker 2: Governor Kim Riddles in Iowa, which is the smart play,

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Speaker 2: and he needs to continue to go all in on

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Speaker 2: Iowa if he wants to have any chance of then

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Speaker 2: winning New Hampshire and having a chance in Super Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: People just really overestimate how much normal voters like really

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Speaker 1: love these governors.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they voted for her. Yeah, they don't like.

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Speaker 1: Democrats and she was the Republican so they voted for her.

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Speaker 1: But are the Oh my god, Kim Reynolds, She's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I would do anything for Kim Reynolds. Whatever she says goes,

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Speaker 1: I highly doubt it.

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Speaker 4: I highly doubt it.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about threads. I

519
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: want to give everybody an important update. Let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Mark Zuckerberg revealing yesterday Instagram's

521
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Speaker 2: threads has now surpassed one hundred million users, blowing out

522
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Speaker 2: expectations far more than anybody thought whenever they launched. The

523
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Speaker 2: reason why this is important, Crystal, is what we told

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Speaker 2: everybody yesterday, which is that at the last November, whenever

525
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Speaker 2: Twitter was forced to actually tell everyone how many users

526
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Speaker 2: they have, they listed some two hundred and sixty million

527
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Speaker 2: monetizable daily active users that was actually from Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: at the time. However, it is important to even question

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Speaker 2: that two hundred and sixty million figure because as Elon

530
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Speaker 2: famously tried to get his way out of that actual deal,

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Speaker 2: he kept saying that as much as five to twenty

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Speaker 2: percent of those people may be bought, so that actual

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Speaker 2: number may be lower. Regardless, getting to one hundred million

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Speaker 2: after just a few days in terms of your users

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Speaker 2: and sign ups is a blowout victory, considering that Threads

536
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: has almost none of the same functionality outside of the

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Speaker 2: mobile app that Twitter has. You can't use it on desktop.

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Speaker 2: It is still like your following page. Everything is controlled

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Speaker 2: by the algorithm. It doesn't even have like proper dms.

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Speaker 2: And yet apparently the carryover and the ease of sign

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Speaker 2: up from Instagram bringing your followers on has been a

542
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Speaker 2: major victory. Now, look, at the same time, we've seen

543
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Speaker 2: this thing before. I was one of those people who

544
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Speaker 2: thought Clubhouse might work. Turned out to be a total

545
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Speaker 2: flash in the pan. So I've seen this type of

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Speaker 2: hype before. But you know, Threads has now reached one

547
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Speaker 2: hundred million faster than chat GPT. Consider that in terms

548
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Speaker 2: of the level of cultural impact the chat GPT was

549
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Speaker 2: having at the time. I've increasingly been trying to use threads,

550
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Speaker 2: like check it out, see how people are using it.

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Speaker 3: I'm really interested.

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Speaker 2: So first and foremost, in terms of I've talked about before,

553
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Speaker 2: I think that the photo functionality on threads is far

554
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Speaker 2: superior in terms of the cropping. I actually tried tweeting

555
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: out a photo yesterday was fantastic. The load time on

556
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: videos and other things, carrying over again from Instagram's core functionality,

557
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: seems really good. The things that it still needs properly

558
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: to fix, the retweet.

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Speaker 3: Function or the rep thread function or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have the ability to quote tweet, It doesn't

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Speaker 2: yet seem to have the same political discourse and all

562
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Speaker 2: of that. But I am seeing like little niche things

563
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Speaker 2: begin to pop up, health and fitness people in particular,

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Speaker 2: who I've seem to get a lot of functionality.

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Speaker 3: I could see that out of threads.

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Speaker 4: Right now, I could definitely see that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the play it seems like from Zuckerberg is

568
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Speaker 1: we're going to make a Twitter competitor, but we're going

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Speaker 1: to try to keep the vibe of Instagram, which, if

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00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: you guys aren't on Instagram, it's a much nicer, friendlier culture.

571
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Then Twitter is like nasty and snarky, and you can

572
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: famously post like the most anodyne thing and people will

573
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: still find some way to be mean to you. That's

574
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Speaker 1: just like the way Twitter is for whatever reason. And

575
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Speaker 1: so yesterday we talked about how the headed of Instagram

576
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: was basically saying like, look, we don't really want news

577
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: and politics here. And since the feeds are all algorithmically driven,

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: so they're putting in front of you what they want

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Speaker 1: to serve, they have a lot of control over what

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Speaker 1: takes off and what gets suppressed. In a lot of ways,

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00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: it's way more opaque than you know, the type of

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Speaker 1: control that if you have the Twitter feeds set up

583
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: where it's just you know, fire hose chronologically of the

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00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: people that you're following over on threads, they have a

585
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: lot more control and you have a lot less visibility

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00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: into how they are making the decisions of what you're

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Speaker 1: going to see and what you're not going to see.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like the direction they're going in is

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Speaker 1: they don't really want it to be the place for

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Speaker 1: news and politics because news and politics is divisive, it's controversial,

591
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: it's a pain in the ass for advertisers, so they'd

592
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Speaker 1: rather not deal with it, and if they want to

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Speaker 1: keep the happy, friendly vibe of Instagram, which is genuinely nice,

594
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: like Kyle's not on Instagram and every time I show

595
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Speaker 1: them a post and like all the comments underneath.

596
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 4: Are like wait a go, You're so great. It's like,

597
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Speaker 4: what is this place? This is crazy?

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think in order to try to

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Speaker 1: keep that vibe, they're just basically like, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to do politics, and I think that that really kind

601
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Speaker 1: of sucks in terms of whether it's going to be

602
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Speaker 1: a success or not. Who knows, but just to give

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Speaker 1: you a sense, one hundred million users that's how many

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Speaker 1: US TikTok users there are. I mean, this is these

605
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Speaker 1: are giant numbers. This is like already puts it in

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Speaker 1: league with some major social media competitors and we're not

607
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Speaker 1: even a week in. So I do think the fact

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Speaker 1: that you had so many people who could port over

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Speaker 1: so easily from Instagram was you cannot understate what a

610
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Speaker 1: huge advantage that was because you instantly come in and

611
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Speaker 1: have people to talk to, you already have engagement with

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Speaker 1: your posts, whereas when you're starting from scratch over on

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Speaker 1: Mastadon or Blue Sky or whatever, and you're in there

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Speaker 1: and you feel like you're talking to yourself and no

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Speaker 1: one even knows you exist. It takes a while to

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Speaker 1: really get over that hump, especially if you've built up

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Speaker 1: a following somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to just give that up and go to

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Speaker 4: a different platform.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And already we're beginning to see this cut into

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Speaker 2: Twitter's margins. Go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Twitter traffic is down some five percent on the launch

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Speaker 2: of Threads. This is from cloud Flare data by the CEO,

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Speaker 2: Matthew Prince, and it is also backed up by an

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Speaker 2: independent analysis at CNBC looked at guys, please put the

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Speaker 2: next one up there on the screen. CNB Cudy describes

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Speaker 2: it this way, quote, Twitter traffic is tanking as metas

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Speaker 2: Threads hits one hundred million users.

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Speaker 3: They not only showed the number.

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Speaker 2: Of the level of drop in the overall traffic, but

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Speaker 2: they say that Twitter traffic was down five percent for

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Speaker 2: the first two full days that Threads was available, and

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Speaker 2: that web traffic is down a full eleven percent compared

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Speaker 2: with the same days in twenty twenty two. Now let's

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Speaker 2: also be honest, like this is a small sample size.

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Speaker 2: We only have a couple of days here. The Twitter

637
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Speaker 2: team is actually firing back the new CEO, Linda Yakarino.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the right way to say, says quote,

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00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: don't want to leave you hanging by a thread. But Twitter,

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Speaker 2: you outdid yourselves last week. We had our largest usage

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Speaker 2: day since February. There is only one Twitter. You know it,

642
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: and I know it. Elon replying. Cumulative user seconds per

643
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Speaker 2: day of phone screen time, as reported by iOS and

644
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Speaker 2: Android is the hardest to game. I think we may

645
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: hit an all time record this week.

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Speaker 3: So time on app. Look, first of all, I just

647
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Speaker 3: want to say this.

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Speaker 2: I think all these metrics are fake in terms of

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Speaker 2: like user seconds, cumulative screen.

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Speaker 3: Time, all of that.

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Speaker 2: The probably one that matters the most is time on app.

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Speaker 2: That's what Zuckerberg and all of them always focused on

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Speaker 2: whenever it came down to Instagram versus TikTok. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm calling on everyone to release those figures.

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Speaker 3: I doubt that they ever.

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Speaker 4: Actually get Twitter files going on that.

657
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get the Twitter files and the thread files

658
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff happening here. But overall, I

659
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: think what we can say is is Threads the Twitter killer.

660
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Way too soon to tell, very likely, though I don't

661
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: think that it will be, because it is clear that

662
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: their strategy is we don't want all the divisive stuff.

663
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: We want all the monetizable stuff. They will port over

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Speaker 2: health and fitness, sports, all of these other you know, influencers,

665
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: people Lebron that they have great relationships with over from

666
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: their Instagram Partnerships team, and they'll be like, all right,

667
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: Elon and Linda, you guys can take all this.

668
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: Sudden crap, deal with censorship problems.

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Speaker 2: We don't want anything to do with it. We're gonna

670
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: sit here and laugh all the way to the bank.

671
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: Not a bad strategy. However, as a user, it's not

672
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: great because at the end of the day, you know,

673
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: the Internet selects for monopolies.

674
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: That's why it is.

675
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's easier to use whenever one place where

676
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: everything is. So now what we're gonna have two apps, Like,

677
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: when you want to check in on culture, let's go

678
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: to Threads. When you want to check in on politics,

679
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: let's go to Twitter. That's a pain in the ass

680
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: from your in my perspective, but I've also come to

681
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: accept like maybe that's a good thing. I actually, you know,

682
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: maybe not one platform does deserve to have everything. But

683
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: the really unfortunate part is it wasn't a real startup

684
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: that was able to come in and gain one hundred

685
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: million users. It was an existing, you know, one one

686
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: trillion dollar social media company. But it does show you

687
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: quite a bit of savvness that Mark Zuckerberg has. He's

688
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: basically doing to Twitter what he did to Snapchat with

689
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: the invention of Instagram Stories. It took Snapchat years to

690
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 2: be able to catch back up.

691
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. I mean, this is something. Zuckerberg

692
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: at this point has a horrific record in terms of

693
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: innovating new products, like the whole metaverse thing sporal disaster,

694
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent fluff disaster. That sort of vision

695
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: isn't there.

696
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: But he does have a.

697
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Pretty good track record of seeing what is working in

698
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the marketplace, replicating it, and you know, being able to

699
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: grab market share and have an impact in that way.

700
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: So he does seem to know how to do that piece. Yeah,

701
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: I can see a world where news and politics basically

702
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: stays over on Twitter because Zuckerberg suppresses it on threads

703
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: and just doesn't really become the thing over on Threads,

704
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: and you have.

705
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: This sort of like bifurcation.

706
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: You may also have some like ideological bifurcation where more

707
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: right wing people stay on Twitter, where more liberal or

708
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: left wing people migrate to threads or other platforms. So

709
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I could see that happening as well. But you know,

710
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: for Elon, if becomes more we use it for Douce

711
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: and politics especially, I use it for Douce, but I

712
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: don't really look at any of the cultural stuff, but

713
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: that there is a lot of that on Twitter as well.

714
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: So if Zuckerberg is eating into that piece, which is

715
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: the most easily monetizable, that's a real problem for him

716
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: from a business perspective. And you know, I think that

717
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: one of the things that Elon wants to do, which

718
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: may create a better platform in terms of you know,

719
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: some of the key values that he claims to spouse,

720
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: like form speech, is to move it from dependency on

721
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: advertising revenue to dependency on subscription revenue. But we also

722
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: have to say, thus far, he's been wildly unsuccessful at that,

723
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: partly because of his own foolish missteps and basically like

724
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: antagonizing some of the core part of the creator base

725
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter and make it so that people out of

726
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: spiite do not want to pay your eight dollars no

727
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: matter what you do to try to coerce them into

728
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: doing it. In fact, at this point, you know things

729
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: like the rate limit where you can't view more tweets

730
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: than six hundred a day or whatever unless you pay

731
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: for the check marketc. It doesn't make people want to

732
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: become a blue check mark. It makes them even more like,

733
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: screw you. I'm going to see what's going on over

734
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: on Threats. So I do think that this kind of

735
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: is a perfect storm because at the same time you

736
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: have this new product which seems relatively well designed and

737
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: easy to port over onto, and all of those things

738
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: comes into existence is at the very time when Elon

739
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: is making some of his worst and most foolish decisions

740
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: and doing everything he can to make the Twitter user

741
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: experience miserable and push people off of.

742
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: His own platform.

743
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it is a big problem. Let's

744
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: turn now to what Elon is trying to do in response.

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Elon trying to make a play into both video and

746
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: to try and create some sort of rev share in

747
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: the same way that YouTube has with their YouTube Ad

748
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: Partners program, Let's go ahead and put this up there

749
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: on the screen. Elon effectively begging again, yes, mister Beast

750
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: to try and bring some of his videos over onto Twitter.

751
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Mister Beast tweeted out quote neuvid which shows some new

752
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: views that he's been getting on over on the platform.

753
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: Elon says, post to this platform too, earnings perview should

754
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: be competitive with YouTube. If not, we will adjust, which

755
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: means I mean he's trying to increase the level of

756
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: video content that we're going to see on Twitter. But

757
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: this is a very difficult game, and I don't think

758
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 2: yet that they fully.

759
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: Have internalized what they're looking for.

760
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Because YouTube is the giant that it is not just

761
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: because of rev share, not just because of the ability

762
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: to post videos, because of the algorithm. The recommendation algorithm

763
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: is the golden key to YouTube. It is what increases

764
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: the time on the platform. It's what gets people interested.

765
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: People who are watching this video are not the same

766
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: video who are not the same people getting recommended the

767
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: previous video. You and I just did about Ron DeSantis

768
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: that in many ways we owe entire careers and success

769
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: the recommendation algorithms, and that is because of the extraordinary

770
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: ability to match videos that you may also be interested in.

771
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: It's not just about the views that you are earning

772
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: on the platform. It is really about the ability to

773
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: recommend and keep content that people want to continue and

774
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: stay watching. This has always been a core problem for

775
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: video on Twitter. Video on Twitter has also been always

776
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: been best when very very short bites, whereas the entire

777
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: Mister Best strategy Crystal is built around retention beasts. Videos

778
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: are literally like genetically engineered in a lab to keep

779
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: you watching as long as humanly possible, juice the retention

780
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: rate to increase his overall recommendation. Obviously, he uses Twitter,

781
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: but he's not the main thing for what he's known for.

782
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: He's an international celebrity for a reason, specifically also built

783
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: on the YouTube algorithm. So this does, I think show

784
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of a misunderstanding of what you need

785
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: to build for Twitter to actually be.

786
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: A viable video platform.

787
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: But I also think that at the end of the day,

788
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: what makes Twitter good in terms of the doom scrolling

789
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: and all of that, Yeah, that kind of cuts against

790
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: your ability to sit and watch a full video. And

791
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: we haven't seen any creator tools, platforms or changes to

792
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: the platform that would incentivize people like you and I

793
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 2: are others to actually want to post and create video

794
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 2: specifically for the Twitter platform.

795
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is very true.

796
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Also, I was chuckling because the second Mister Beast video

797
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: that he had listed there Train versus Giant Pit. My

798
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: son was literally just watching yesterday. I spoiler alert the

799
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Giant Pin wins in the end. But yeah, I mean,

800
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: people aren't on Twitter to lot watch long term video.

801
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: That's just not what the platform was ever built for.

802
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: It's not what people are geared to go over there

803
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: and do, or prime to go over there and do.

804
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: They're prime to scroll through, you know, these short snippets.

805
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: I even hate the advent of like the longer tweets

806
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: like this is not like Twitter, and I don't think

807
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm alone in that. I see a lot of backlash

808
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: against the like long say form tweets. So yeah, it's

809
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: not what the platform is built for. It's there's nothing

810
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: built in to make you aware that there is a

811
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Mister Beast video on the platform, if that was ever

812
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: something to happen, or that Tucker Carlson just released his

813
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: latest show, so you know, to me, it seems like

814
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: a bit of a miss.

815
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: We have a little bit of those Tucker data. Let's

816
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: put this up there please on the screen. There was

817
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion around this. It actually shows you

818
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: some of the video of view stats for the video

819
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: that was played for more than two seconds. This is

820
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: another reason why I actually warned a lot of people

821
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: not to overemphasize the actual overall view count, because as

822
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: you and I know, there is a massive difference between

823
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: scrolling passive video and watching two seconds of it and

824
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: watching let's say four and a half minutes or something.

825
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: This shows you some of the decreasing numbers on the

826
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: overall view count. And I do think that it gets

827
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: back to the fundamental mismatch of the Twitter platform and

828
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: of what Tucker specifically is trying to do.

829
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: Tucker's basically effectively doing what.

830
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 2: All of us are doing, which are these longer commentaries

831
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: with actual video elements in them, spliced in a monologue

832
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: which you need to sit and consume and take some time.

833
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: That is just not built for the Twitter platform. It's

834
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: something that's built for YouTube. Now, contractually, he's kind of boxed,

835
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: I think in a way where that's really the only

836
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: venue where you can reliably post, so you know, I

837
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: guess that's fair, and it's not like it has to

838
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: worry about money, but it is a problem, I think

839
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Speaker 2: for trying to cast the platform as the next big thing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: I talked a little bit about this with the Glenn

842
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: Greenwald and we both kind of shared our unvarnished thoughts,

843
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, listen, you know, Glenn, you are

844
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: on Rumble and we're on YouTube and you know, on

845
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: podcasts and all that for a reason, Like these platforms

846
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: are designed for this, we go to them.

847
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 3: To watch stuff.

848
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: That's just not what we do whenever we go over

849
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: to Twitter. So I've always said you can't change people's behavior.

850
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: You have to meet them where they are.

851
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not going to go on YouTube

852
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: and trying to get you to go read my tweets.

853
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Why would we ever do that.

854
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: That's just not really what is designed for, right And

855
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the right way, you know. I

856
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: see the Daily Wire and all these other people being like, oh,

857
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: we're exclusively going to be posting on Twitter, and I'm

858
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: just like, call me in six months and tell me

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00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: whether you're actually making your real money or converting anything

860
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: off that, Because I just don't think that that's going

861
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: to happen.

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00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even those view numbers for Tucker, I mean,

863
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: that's pretty fake because two seconds of watching a video

864
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: does not really count as a video view and so yeah,

865
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: how long do people sit and engage with that content?

866
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: And I do think his first show and everyone was like, oh,

867
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: what is this and what's he going to say and

868
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: what's going on with flax or whatever. I do think

869
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: millions and millions of people sat and actually consumed that

870
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: entire video. But it does not surprise me whatsoever that

871
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Speaker 1: there's been this dramatic falloff. I think that, you know,

872
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Speaker 1: it was a really foolish move ultimately for him to

873
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: throw his lot in with Twitter, not only for the

874
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: reasons that we've been describing, the fact that when people

875
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: go onto that platform, they are not in the mindset

876
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: of let me sit and engage with content for minutes,

877
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: minutes and minutes. They're in the mindset of, let me

878
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: scroll through and get these little quick bites and you know,

879
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: snarky replies or whatever. But because Tucker's audience is like

880
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of boomers that aren't on Twitter, that don't

881
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: know how to use Twitter, that even he was sending

882
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: out emails to try to like walk them through the

883
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: process of even finding him on this app. So, you know, meanwhile,

884
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: and meanwhile, Fox News is actually recovering from the very

885
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: significant decline in ratings that they saw right after he left.

886
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: They seemed to be recovering and writing the ship. I mean,

887
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: they're in the same managed decline state as all the

888
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: other cable news networks. But in the end it seems

889
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: that the analysis is at least in terms of him

890
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: going to Twitter, Fox News has actually come out the

891
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: better side of this, and he has seriously hobbled his

892
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: own relevance and career by his choice of platform.

893
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 2: I think he needs to get out of that whatever

894
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: that deal is possible, and get on YouTube.

895
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: He went on a Russell Brand show, you very well

896
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: he was on YouTube.

897
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: It's like that that's where you belong, you know, or

898
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: not even you rumble whatever, you know, any of these places.

899
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: You got to get to a platform podcast the ability

900
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: where people actually consume longer form content, because that's where

901
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: the strength is. I just saw the news maybe we'll

902
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: talk about it in our next show that he's going

903
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: to be moderating a candidate forum.

904
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: You know, with Blaze Media. Right, so maybe that Harold

905
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: is like a little.

906
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: Bit of a change, but we'll we'll continue to monitor

907
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: and we'll see.

908
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: But why don't we talk about Joe Scarborough now?

909
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's switch to another cable news topic.

910
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: Here.

911
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: This is I just this is extraordinary. I couldn't even

912
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: believe when I was reading this piece. So Joe Scarborough,

913
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: of course, multimillion dollar cable news host, very wealthy guy,

914
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: has been in the game for a long time, decided

915
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: to pend this essay chiding anyone who would have anything

916
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: critical to say about the United States of America. Let's

917
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. His headline here is

918
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: America is doing just fine. The United States deserves a

919
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: robust defense. And let me read you a little bit

920
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: of this because I really enjoyed this. Uncle Sam deserves

921
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: a modern day Atticus Finch to argue his case before

922
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: the American people.

923
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: But he doesn't have one.

924
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: The usual suspects who once regularly deliver garrulous Eric Stratton

925
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: styled defenses of all things American are now scattered to

926
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: the wins by the tumult of trump Ism. Neither the

927
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Capitol Riot nor our barrageum indictments have stopped these hucksters

928
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: from slavishly siding with Donald Trump and his attacks against

929
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: the same American institutions that conservatives once defended against enemies

930
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: real or imagined, whether the dirty hippies who tried to

931
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: levitate the Pentagon or the Kamis on the Church Committee.

932
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: Trump conservatives really are having their own hippie moment turning

933
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: against American institutions because God forbid we critique American institutions

934
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: that would be horrified. The opposing council's bench will likewise

935
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: be unhelpful because it is packed with a motley crew

936
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: of progressive politicians, left wing think tankers, and journalists who

937
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: are far more comfortable prosecuting claims against American greed, US imperialism,

938
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: and ruling class dominance than mount muscular defenses of America.

939
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 4: Now, I would say, I.

940
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Wish that our nation's journalists would do more critiquing of

941
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: American greed, US imperialism, and ruling class dominance. But God

942
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: forbid again that we have any critique of any.

943
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: Of those things.

944
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: Instead of just uniformly mounting what he describes as a

945
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: muscular defense of America. He goes on Zachary you have

946
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: to love this to talk about, you know, how great

947
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: things are under Joe Biden and his leadership, And of

948
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: course he leans into everything we're doing with the Ukraine

949
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: war has been great and good, and you know, no

950
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: mention of cluster BOMs, and that's being complicit in potential

951
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: war crimes.

952
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: There none of that.

953
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: But the one critique that he does have is that

954
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: the pullout from Afghanistan, now that was the real problem.

955
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: But don't worry.

956
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: They've already righted the ship, so no need to complain

957
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: about that either. And he concludes with this, despite the

958
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: blather that cable news hosts spit at you daily, your

959
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: country is doing pretty damn well, which is also hilarious

960
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: because I mean, number one, he's a cable news host,

961
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Speaker 1: one of the most prominent cable news hosts in the

962
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: freaking country. Number Two, if you tune into his network

963
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: or you tune into CNN, what you will hear over

964
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: and over and over again is actually, how wonderful things

965
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: are under Joe Biden, How the economy is actually great,

966
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: how everything's just find how his leadership is so brilliant

967
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: and wonderful, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I

968
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: don't know what world this man is living in.

969
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: I think it's just.

970
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: A real look, it's not just a blind spot. It's

971
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: actually that they have to do this like justification of

972
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: where we are in order to prop up the structure

973
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: of which the vast majority of people are fundamentally against.

974
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: We know with this from every.

975
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: Political leader that has been doing well in modern memory

976
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: for the lat what Obama and Trump and Biden. Really,

977
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: we're all kind of quote change candidates really in their

978
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: own way from the previous status quote nobody was ever

979
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: voting for keeping actually what we had in place. Second, though,

980
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: look at any poll like the one we have, we

981
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: can put this right up here on the screen. There

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: has never been more dissatisfaction with national economic conditions, with

983
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: faith in American institutions, with a complete lack of faith

984
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: in overall higher elite institutions like college education. I just

985
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: saw a poll come across the desk that says the

986
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: thirty six percent and all time low people approve of colleges,

987
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: all time low number of people approve of institutions, which

988
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about in a bit. People feel

989
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: like they're doing worse off than ever their inability to

990
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: achieve the American dream. And this is really propaganda that

991
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: I often see put forward by defenders of the neoliberal

992
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: establishment really helped architect it because they rely always on

993
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: fake metrics.

994
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: And this is always the big problem that we see.

995
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: And we were talking previously, there's a big wonk war

996
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: right now about whether we're doing well or not. And

997
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: they always rely on things like what he points in years,

998
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: like America's universities are best in the world, Like, yeah,

999
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: but what's the overall trend? They're going down, They're not

1000
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: doing well. What is the overall trend right now in

1001
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: terms of American views throughout the rest of the world.

1002
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: I kept telling you the sea change I saw in

1003
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: Indian attitudes towards America.

1004
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm still flabbergasting around.

1005
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: When I visited India ten years ago, people either wanted

1006
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: to move here or they didn't care about America. Now

1007
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: the overall elite opinion has turned on. They're like, you

1008
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: guys are a bunch of moralizers. You don't shut up

1009
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: in terms of lecturing us, we are an independent country.

1010
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: You think you could come and tell us what to do,

1011
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: who's oil to buy?

1012
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: And all this? Who do you think we are.

1013
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: We're the most populous nation on earth. You, Joe Biden

1014
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: and all these other people can screw off. We're going

1015
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: to do whatever we want to do. Hearing the same

1016
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: thing from Brazil, and we know this also from all

1017
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: across the West non Western world. This is the attitude

1018
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: that pervades about the United States and about its overall decline.

1019
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: We're entering a very dangerous period, I think, in geopolitics,

1020
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: and I think that's the problem that he does is

1021
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: he's trying to cast some sort of Reaganesque, you know,

1022
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: a view of the United States around both our economy

1023
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: and our place in the world, when we actually see

1024
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: retrenchment everywhere. And the worst thing is that his answer

1025
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: is to triple down on all of the things that

1026
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: brought us exactly where to where we are, when in

1027
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: that retrenchment, we need both humble and big ideas here

1028
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: at home to get our population to a point where

1029
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: we can be you know, united and all of that,

1030
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: and also to think about the way that we carry

1031
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: ourselves abroad so that we don't go back into you know,

1032
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: some hor horrible state of war and you know, multipolarity

1033
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: or even more multipolarity from where we are right now.

1034
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: That's that's you know.

1035
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: I just see like it's almost like a boomer level

1036
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: of like America right or wrong. And I always just

1037
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: look at it like, look, I think Americans are awesome

1038
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: and I think America is doing badly well.

1039
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: It reminds me of it. He probably said some of

1040
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: those same stuff or in the Bush era, the whole

1041
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: like a rock war, like you can't criticize our leader,

1042
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: blah blah, b it's not patriotic to be critical of

1043
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: the president of the United States back Bush, no matter

1044
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. That was a big strain of argument,

1045
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: if you can even call it argument from the right

1046
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: at that time, which again I'm sure he was partaking in.

1047
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: It is so low IQ to not be able to

1048
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: comprehend that you can be a patriot. You can love

1049
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: this country, you can appreciate many of the core values,

1050
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: you could celebrate some of its best parts of you know,

1051
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: of history and the progress that has been made, and

1052
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: you can also look across the landscape and see some

1053
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: real problems and see some real problems by the way,

1054
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: with the elite class Joe Scarborough included. I also feel like,

1055
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: can you imagine him writing this during the Trump era,

1056
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: if Donald Trump was present, can you imagine him being like,

1057
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: how dare you criticize America? This is a yeah, it

1058
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: needs a muscular defense, and actually everything is going really great.

1059
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: I mean totally.

1060
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: This is just complete one partisan blinders where it's like,

1061
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: since my guy's in charge, everything's fine and everyone needs

1062
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: to shut up and get on there.

1063
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: Really, honestly, all the same fundamentals that he points to

1064
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: were the exact same under Trump. If you're like, hey,

1065
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: our universities are the best in the world, Okay, it's

1066
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: been that way for forty years, hasn't changed really all

1067
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: that much. And I think what he gets to is

1068
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: this attitudinal thing of which I believe was the best

1069
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: thing about Trump. I think Trump was the most honest

1070
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: person in a generation of politics when he said our

1071
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: American carnage is over. I believe that the American carnage

1072
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: speech is still one of the most important ones ever delivered,

1073
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: because for the very first time somebody was like, you

1074
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: know what, things aren't all that rosy.

1075
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what people wanted to hear.

1076
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is so I'm covering my monologue today,

1077
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: the interview that Obama did with Aslaomanaj, which was mostly

1078
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: just like the questions were mostly very fluffy, but he

1079
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: did have this one question that I really liked, and

1080
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: that spoke to something that I've been trying to put

1081
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: my finger on for a while, which is he he

1082
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: basically begged Obama to for once in his life, be

1083
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: emotionally honest, because he has this whole thing of being

1084
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: like so removed and you know, so detached from all

1085
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: of it. And what he argued is, you know Trump

1086
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: in particular, but a lot of Republicans, they lie and

1087
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: mistate a lot of things, but there's a level of

1088
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: emotional honesty that people respond to, whereas Democrats, progressives, whatever,

1089
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: they may be right on the facts, but there's like

1090
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: a level of emotional dishonesty. And I think that this

1091
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: article is very like fits really well in that mold.

1092
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: You can't just gloss over everything. You can't pretend like

1093
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: it's unpatriotic to and throw out like your dirty hippie

1094
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: if you dare, if you dare criticize American greed or

1095
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: imperialism or ruling class dominance, as.

1096
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: He puts it.

1097
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: So it's also very easy to say when you know

1098
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: you are doing just fine. Your bank account is full,

1099
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: you have no financial woes or worries it you know

1100
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: in the world, your children, same deal.

1101
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 4: Very easy to have.

1102
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: This view from the station that Joe Scarborough finds himself.

1103
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: And this is not what people you know, even if

1104
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: you listen to Joe Biden. I mean, he's not making

1105
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: his pitch based on, oh, the economy is great. They

1106
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: will say some of that, yeah, but at the core

1107
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: it's we are going to fight against these Republicans who

1108
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: are nuts.

1109
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: That's the only reason that they're trying to get people.

1110
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, and let's look at the midterms too,

1111
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: what's the number one reason why Dems came out. It

1112
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: ain't the economy. It's abortion. It is a negative reason.

1113
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: Negativity and the influence of that for voting is not

1114
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: even an indicator of the positive view that Scarborough puts forward.

1115
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, I think that's it. Let's go to

1116
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: the next one.

1117
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about how Americans do

1118
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: feel about the country we live in and the institutions

1119
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: governing this country that we live in. The picture is

1120
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: pretty dire. Put this up on the screen from Gallop. Historically,

1121
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: low faith in US institutions continues, and effectively they don't find.

1122
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 4: Much change year over year.

1123
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: It's pretty flat in terms of public confidence in eleven

1124
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: of the sixteen institutions that Gallup tracks annually, they had

1125
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: seen insignificant declines. Presidency and the Supreme Court suffered the most.

1126
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: The share of Americans expressing a great deal or fair

1127
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: amount of confidence in these had previously fallen fifteen and

1128
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: eleven percentage points, respectively, and those numbers have basically remained

1129
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: unchanged now. They do go on to note that the

1130
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: survey was conducted before this latest slate of Supreme Court

1131
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: rulings came down. Those of course impacted firm in faction,

1132
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: college loan forgiveness, LGBTQ plus Americans their rights and how

1133
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: they intersect with religious values. So possible that the Supreme

1134
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: Court ratings change a bit after those. But generally speaking,

1135
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: Americans felt pretty bad about these institutions. They continue to

1136
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: feel pretty bad about these institutions. And you know, to

1137
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: tie in the Joe Scarborough conversation, in some of this

1138
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: like wonk fight that's going on, there's this very anti populist,

1139
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: very elitist attitude of like.

1140
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 4: Americans are just confused.

1141
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: They don't understand how great our institutions actually are. They

1142
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: don't understand how well things are really going in the economy.

1143
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: They just don't get what a great leader Joe Biden

1144
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: actually is. And if they just, you know, if we

1145
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: just got rid of the misinformation and the bad actors

1146
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: and we just were able to message properly and get

1147
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: the word out about how actually good their lives are,

1148
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: then they wouldn't feel this way about any of these things. So,

1149
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, when I look at these numbers and trust

1150
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: in our institutions, on the one hand, it's sad because

1151
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: you would like to have institutions worthy of trust. On

1152
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: the other hand, I look at it and I think

1153
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: it's a sign of societal health that there is a

1154
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: recognition that these institutions have failed, that in many instances

1155
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: they have been corrupted. I mean, just look at some

1156
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: of the things we've been covering with the Supreme Court

1157
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: and the level of deep just institutionalized rot and corruption

1158
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: which has been accepted now for years and years. I

1159
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: think it's a sign of health and a positive development

1160
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: that Americans have accurate views of these various institutions.

1161
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the all time low I think this is

1162
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: really interesting. For several institutions was actually hit and let

1163
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: me read you what they are in twenty twenty three.

1164
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: And I think these are all correct.

1165
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: Big business, large technology companies, public schools, Congress. Those are

1166
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: the places that hit it in twenty twenty or at

1167
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: the police in twenty twenty three. Now if you look

1168
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: at the rest of them, many were also hit in

1169
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the presidency, the criminal justice system, television news,

1170
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: the US Supreme Court, newspapers, church and or organized religion.

1171
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: As you said, Crystal, I think it's a sad story.

1172
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: I wish that people had more faith in all of

1173
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: these well established institutions in American life, which genuinely had

1174
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: some good in the past.

1175
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: But a core theme of our show.

1176
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Is about the corruption of these institutions at the expense

1177
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: of some of the lowest and most vulnerable amongst us.

1178
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: And I think it is correct that the vast majority

1179
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: of people should turn on these institutions and should question

1180
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: whenever they say, Hey, this is why we need a

1181
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: tax break, this is why we're doing so well. And

1182
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, this is the actual consequence of really decades

1183
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: not only of partisanship, but of our economic policy. And

1184
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: it actually, as I you know, talked about previously the

1185
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: American carnage speech, and really, you know, many of the

1186
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: campaigns of the twenty sixteen, the successful ones, was the

1187
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: pointing to the actual ills which based us into these

1188
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: institutional numbers. And then look, I'm not saying Trump did

1189
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: anything about it, but he acknowledged the problem. And really,

1190
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, the smartest democrats I see are.

1191
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: Also willing to acknowledge it as well.

1192
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm no fan of Chris Murphy or anything, but I

1193
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: was fascinated to see him try to wade into like

1194
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: masculinity discourse and what can we do about faith and

1195
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: institutions and all of that, you know, Buddhage Edge, you know, well, look,

1196
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's incompetent fool, but even he

1197
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: can read the tea leaves around. If you want a future,

1198
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: you have to be able to speak to the deep,

1199
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: like the deep despair. I think that falls all the

1200
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: way from upper to middle class. That's another or upper

1201
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: to lower class. I think that's a key part here

1202
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: of the story, which is these institutions we're talking about

1203
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: here are not at like fifty percent, like for example,

1204
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: big business as a fourteen percent of rural rating. That's stunning.

1205
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: That means a vast majority of people are against it.

1206
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: Large Technology twenty six, Public schools twenty six. Think about

1207
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: what a death knew that is for public education. Public

1208
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: education was at one time one of the shining lights

1209
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: of the way that Americans felt about the shared institution

1210
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: that was federalists, you know, local, state, federal connected.

1211
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: They felt a real connection to that.

1212
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: For the vast majority of people to turn against public

1213
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: schooling that is not a good thing. That means that

1214
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: they literally have no trust in the ability for these

1215
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: institutions to carry on their legacy. And it explain school voucherization,

1216
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: the rise in public schools, and many of the pushes

1217
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: away because they're like, we don't trust you at all.

1218
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: And again I only want to sit here and just

1219
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: vindicate that and be like, I agree, you shouldn't trust them.

1220
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to see an alternative.

1221
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: But you know, for many of these that I see

1222
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: on the list, I think you're a fool to put

1223
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: any of your faith in that event.

1224
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the big tech example is a really

1225
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: is an interesting one because I guarantee you the numbers

1226
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: during like the Obama years when you know, it was

1227
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: very opt there's a lot of tech optimism, right, and

1228
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: these companies were seen as like the good guys, and

1229
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: they were on the bank are and they were like

1230
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: part of these democracy movements and whatever. It is a

1231
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: better state of affairs, in my opinion, for people to

1232
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: understand the problems with these massive tech monopolies that have

1233
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: so much control over our public discourse and over all

1234
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: of our lives. I think it's a good thing that

1235
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: are that we have the bloom is off the rods,

1236
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: though to speak, and people have a more clear eyed

1237
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: view of what some of the yeah benefits but also

1238
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: challenges and problems and the way that it has been

1239
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: corrosive to society. So I think that's you know, I

1240
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing that banks have seen trust

1241
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: fall off to twenty six. I think it's a good

1242
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: thing that television news trust is at fourteen percent and

1243
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: big business trust is at fourteen percent, because when I

1244
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: look at these numbers, I feel like, all right, they

1245
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: can only hold back the waters for so long before

1246
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: the damn breaks, before there is some movement or some candidate,

1247
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: or some combination of things that breaks through and changes

1248
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: things for the better because you can't. You just can't

1249
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: sustain this distance between you know, the happy talk of

1250
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough and the you know, beltwegh wanks and whatever

1251
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: and the reality of how people view the country, the institutions,

1252
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: the economy, and the prospects for their lives and the

1253
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: lives of their children.

1254
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know.

1255
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: And also whenever I look at the chart, there's a

1256
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: very clear story here. The last time that we had

1257
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: even you know, moderately high level of confidence in major

1258
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: US institutions was two thousand and three and two thousand

1259
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: and four. What happened, Oh I forgot the Iraq Wars. Yeah, shocker.

1260
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: People dropped the amount of faith in US institutions. And

1261
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: then also there's a sad story. The modern high is

1262
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: thirty six percent in twenty twenty. Why because of the

1263
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: feeling of let's all come together during COVID. Then none

1264
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: of those institutions actually did anything for us, and they

1265
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 2: fell apart and broke and now we're at the all

1266
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: time low. Their last time that Americans had confidence in

1267
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: the presidency was before Vietnam. I mean, can you blame

1268
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 2: them for not having confidence? And you know, afterwards they're

1269
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: not wrong to continue to drop. So I think I

1270
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: see a consistent and a proper story which is genuinely

1271
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: small d democratic, and I think that there is only

1272
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: one actual way to fix any of this, which is

1273
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 2: enacting good policy, good politics, and to try and shift

1274
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: away from where we are right now to get to

1275
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: some sort of consensus. But that's way way harder, you know, easier,

1276
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: I think, said than done.

1277
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: How dare you criticize America instead of offering a muscular defense.

1278
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: However, I can give it a great defense, you know,

1279
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 2: compared to some body else.

1280
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean that I can't look inward as well, Yes, indeed,

1281
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 3: of course.

1282
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: All right, so this was a fascinating story we're both

1283
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of interested in. Apparently, attenance at Disney World is

1284
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: way down. Put this up on the screen. This is

1285
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal. So the way that they

1286
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: measure this is kind of interesting to me too. They

1287
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: measure the wait times on rides, like the average time

1288
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: you have to wait in line in order to get

1289
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: on rides at Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom,

1290
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: and at each of those sub parks of Disney World,

1291
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: wait times are way down. On the July fourth weekend,

1292
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: which look, it's hot as hell in Florida during the summer,

1293
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: so people actually prefer to go Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's

1294
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: Those are the real peak season at Disney World. But

1295
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: July fourth, you know, over the summer, when people are

1296
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: on vacation, This is also a really key time for

1297
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: the park. So to see such a drop off from

1298
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and then they go back to twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen pre pandemic is pretty fascinating. I'll read you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the Wall Street Journal analysis. They say

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Speaker 1: that former Disney finance chief Christine McCarthy and indicated they

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Speaker 1: anticipated lower demand that sounds like cope to me for

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Speaker 1: the second half of the year because Disney World's fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary celebration had ended.

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Speaker 4: They also say, and this seems to be to me,

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 1: More honest, they kind of intentionally thinned the park's crowds

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Speaker 1: because they upped the cost of everything to make it

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Speaker 1: more of a luxury experience, I guess, and sort of

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Speaker 1: like thin the herd so that people can pay more

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Speaker 1: and wait less in line, and they feel like that's

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Speaker 1: going to work out in terms of their bottom line.

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Speaker 4: They also point out that some.

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Speaker 1: Of this may be industry wide, so not specific to

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Speaker 1: Disney crowds. They indicate were also relatively light at Universal Orlando.

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Speaker 1: The average weight time there was twenty eight minutes on

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Speaker 1: July fourth. That's down from thirty thirty eight minutes in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, but it was more in line with

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen levels. So there does seem to be something

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Speaker 1: kind of specific going on here. In terms of Disney World,

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Speaker 1: you found this saga Disney Fanatic.

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Speaker 4: There's all the whole world of like.

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Speaker 1: Disney trip planning and Disney World blogs. This one Disney

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Speaker 1: Fanatic put us up on the screen talked about a

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Speaker 1: podcast where a Disney History Institute analyst explained that families

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Speaker 1: are being hit in terms of the ticket prices that

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Speaker 1: they are pricing out their primary audience, which is middle

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Speaker 1: class families. In the past, this analyst said, families would

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Speaker 1: make multiple trips to Disney Park after a successful first trip,

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Speaker 1: and now families are unable to gather the funds for

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Speaker 1: even that first trip, making follow up trips unlikely.

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Speaker 4: So those are some of the information.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people out there will also be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's because they.

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Speaker 4: Went wo Maybe as possible.

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Speaker 1: There's some political piece of this as well, where conservative

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Speaker 1: families are more iety logical or like, I don't really

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Speaker 1: want to spend my dollars there, I'll do something different.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's more likely that the increase in

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Speaker 1: ticket prices and food prices and all of those things

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Speaker 1: are probably to blame.

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Speaker 2: The big and sad question is is they did a

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Speaker 2: take a revenue hit because the reality is is that

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Speaker 2: if they can make it effectively a premium product, you

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Speaker 2: can have less people and you can make a ton

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Speaker 2: more money. Some one of my favorite business books of

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Speaker 2: all time called Disney War. I forget exactly who wrote it,

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Speaker 2: the same person who wrote Den of Thieves. It'll come

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Speaker 2: to me in a second, but that book actually outlined

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Speaker 2: kind of the path to profit and the giant that

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Speaker 2: Disney is today via Michael Eisner and eventually the takeover

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Speaker 2: of Bob Iger, who has now returned as the CEO.

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Speaker 2: And the really sad part is that a lot of

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Speaker 2: it just comes down to bilking people who are trying

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Speaker 2: to take their families. And I'm talking about like at

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Speaker 2: the in the beginning, parking used to be free at

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Speaker 2: Disney World. Now it's like fifty dollars, they actually be like.

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Speaker 4: Three dollars and fifty cents or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I like that Walt Disney correctly had a vision of

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Speaker 2: bringing to life the characters which he was able to

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Speaker 2: put on the screen and making a centerpiece of American life.

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Speaker 3: And he succeeded, you know, in that vision.

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Speaker 2: And then really what happened is they monetized as much

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Speaker 2: as humanly possible as the IP to turn Disney into

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Speaker 2: the multigajillion dollar company that it is today. But the

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Speaker 2: problem that I see really in this is where is

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Speaker 2: the middle class experience?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 2: Like, what are you supposed to do when you are

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Speaker 2: a middle class person and you want to provide a

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Speaker 2: family vacation, which is, you know, ticks the boxes and

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Speaker 2: give people the experience. I was talking with my parents

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Speaker 2: when we were in India and they were calling. The

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Speaker 2: first time they took me to Disney World. Apparently tried

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Speaker 2: to bite one of them.

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Speaker 3: So that's me.

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Speaker 4: He tried to bite one.

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Speaker 2: Of my parents, one of my parents because I was tired,

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Speaker 2: You were a bit apparently I was.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any people who watch the show will

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Speaker 2: be surprised by that. I don't know what it is

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Speaker 2: about kids in biting. I don't really get it. You

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Speaker 2: have to like train children.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Some kids are more Anyway, every preschool this is.

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Speaker 4: A happens at least once a year. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that my first trip to We went

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Speaker 1: to Disney World once when I was a kid.

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Speaker 4: We did a road trip down from Virginia.

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Speaker 1: It was right around my sixth birthday, when I was

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Speaker 1: in kindergarten, and I still remember parts of I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was a little kid, but I still remember parts

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Speaker 1: of that trip. Disney World is really like the iconic

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Speaker 1: seminole middle class vacation. It's almost like it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a bedrock of what you feel like as a middle

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Speaker 1: class parent. You should be able to provide for your kids.

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Speaker 1: But I would my question wouldn't be, Okay, what is

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Speaker 1: the middle class experience?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 4: It's where is the middle class?

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Speaker 1: Because the reason why Disney and many other companies too,

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Speaker 1: by the way, are leaning into ari We're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna move up the food chain. We're going to offer

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Speaker 1: this more premium, more expensive experience, is because those are

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Speaker 1: people that still you know, those are people have money

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Speaker 1: those are the people who have expendable income. And so

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Speaker 1: when you have this huge split and massive income inequality

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Speaker 1: and all of these things, if you're just looking for, like,

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Speaker 1: where are the people with the revenue that I can

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Speaker 1: squeeze down, it's increasingly not the middle class. It's certainly

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Speaker 1: not the working classes. People are pushed up and you know,

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Speaker 1: against the wall and many times over the cliff. It's

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Speaker 1: those upper middle class families that are you know, doing

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Speaker 1: better that you know, they may have issues with housing

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Speaker 1: costs or whatever, but they're in the higher professional classes

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Speaker 1: and they're able to afford the Disney vacation and not

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Speaker 1: look twice at the way they're getting price gouged at

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Speaker 1: every single turn, and the way hotel costs have escalated,

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Speaker 1: in the way that concession costs.

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Speaker 4: Have escalated, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, there was a concept a number of

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Speaker 1: years ago that was that came out of the economics

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Speaker 1: profession of the plutonomy, where a number of analysts were

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Speaker 1: advising companies that, hey, if you want to maximize your revenue,

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Speaker 1: this is the segment of the market you need to

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Speaker 1: go after because everyone else is getting squeezed so much.

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Speaker 1: They just aren't going to be able to provide you

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Speaker 1: with the revenue and the profit generation that you're going

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Speaker 1: to be looking for. So Disney following a lot of

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Speaker 1: broader economic trends here, I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, and let's put this also up there on the

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Speaker 2: screen of which you found, which is kind of mound boggling.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen percent of Disney goers have racked up debt, but

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Speaker 2: quote most have no regrets. Let me just go ahead

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Speaker 2: and plug a Dave ramseysm. Please do not go into

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Speaker 2: debt and whenever to go on vacation, no matter what

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Speaker 2: said vacation is. It will put you behind and it

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Speaker 2: definitely is a problem.

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Speaker 3: You should only go on vacation if you can afford it.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: Now, in terms.

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Speaker 1: Of people don't regret experiences, they don't regret childhood memories.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but that's not worth twenty eight percent credit card interest. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but again i'll channel Ramsey there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, if you want to put yourself a

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Speaker 2: message away, it's your money.

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Speaker 3: You decide what you want to do.

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Speaker 2: I do think though, what this is generally is the

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: level of expense that which people have come to expect

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Speaker 2: a normal vacation comes to the conversation that we're having

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Speaker 2: around parking, the fees for parking, the fees for tickets,

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Speaker 2: for so much of this behavior where the inability to

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Speaker 2: really access, you know, a normal vacation at a modest

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Speaker 2: price for like a family of four, that's very much disappearing.

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Speaker 2: And I guess I'll give a plug even though this

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Speaker 2: is not my interest, because they are getting.

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Speaker 3: More crowded national parks.

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Speaker 2: They're not free, but they're pretty close whenever it comes

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Speaker 2: to the admittance fee and all of that. And it

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Speaker 2: remains probably one of the most only really accessible things

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Speaker 2: that a lot of people can do with their children

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Speaker 2: these days, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But I also that's amazing favorite place, great smoking mountains.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I haven't been to that one.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to.

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Speaker 4: Go, Absolutely amazing. I highly recommend.

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Speaker 1: And just one last thing to underscore how it probably

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Speaker 1: is the cost that is driving these trends. They found

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Speaker 1: in that study they most people had been to Disney World.

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Speaker 1: Most people who had gone to at least one park

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Speaker 1: had gone to Disney World.

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Speaker 4: But if the people who had.

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Speaker 1: Not been to it, they said the top reason for

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Speaker 1: not going was because of the cost, So for people

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Speaker 1: who are making the decision to forego, they're not including

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Speaker 1: it in their vacation.

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Speaker 4: There were some.

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Speaker 1: Percentage that was just like I just don't like theme parks,

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Speaker 1: but forty eight percent the top reason was it's too expensive.

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Speaker 4: So I think that says a.

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Speaker 3: Lot, big problem, big problems on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: So you guys may know, Hunter Biden has a child

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Speaker 1: that he is providing child support payments to but just

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Speaker 1: just reached a settlement with the mom to never take

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Speaker 1: the Biden last name for this child and his father,

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Speaker 1: President Biden doesn't even acknowledge that this child exists. He

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Speaker 1: frequently says, very specifically, he has six grandchildren. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you included this child, who is his grandchild, that would

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Speaker 1: be seven grandchildren and more. In doubt of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times, obviously liberal, oftentimes Biden supporter, actually just kind

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Speaker 1: of quite critical of the President for his treatment of

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Speaker 1: this seventh grandchild. The ladies' view decided to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on us in their own special way.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a lesson Maureen.

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Speaker 5: Dad is saying it's bad for the child that the

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Speaker 5: President has not acknowledged her. So I kind of think, well,

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Speaker 5: that's she should be catching at the son whose baby

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Speaker 5: it is. It's not the president's baby. So I don't

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Speaker 5: know what you think, but I'm throwing it out.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you completely.

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Speaker 7: It shouldn't have been.

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Speaker 10: Directed to Joe Biden, should be directed to Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 10: It's five children, not four Hunter, because this is not

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Speaker 10: Joe Biden's baby. And I think it's very hard for

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Speaker 10: Joe Biden to be a grandfather to the child. If

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Speaker 10: his son is not being a father. He can talk

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Speaker 10: to his child, he can advice Hunter. But look, what

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Speaker 10: is absolutely evident to me is that the right wing

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Speaker 10: and the maga world has decided to weaponize Hunter Biden

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Speaker 10: against his dad, and everything and anything the Hunter does

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Speaker 10: or does not do is going to be weaponized.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you this story actually affected me

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: way more than I expected it to. Let's go and

1517
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: put moreen Dad's column up on the screen. She talks

1518
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 1: about this little four year old girl in rural Arkansas

1519
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: who's growing up there, learning to ride a camouflage pattern

1520
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: four wheeler alongside her cousins. Some days she wears a

1521
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: bow in her hair. On other days, she threads her

1522
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: long blonde ponytail through the back of a baseball cap.

1523
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: When she's old enough, she'll learn to hunt, just like

1524
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: her mother did when she was young, she says. The

1525
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: girl is aware that her father is Hunter Biden, her

1526
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: paternal grandfather is the President of the United States. She

1527
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: speaks about both of them often, but she has not

1528
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,839
Speaker 1: met them. Her maternal grandmother describes her as with smart

1529
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: and funny.

1530
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 4: Listen.

1531
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: This is the president who has made family central to

1532
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: his political brand. I mean, and I think that's part

1533
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: of what the American people have really responded.

1534
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 4: To with him, his empathy.

1535
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: It's the way that he centers his family and the

1536
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: tragedies that have befallen his family, even the way that

1537
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 1: he has embraced Hunter despite a lot of struggles with addiction,

1538
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: and you know, major roller coaster there.

1539
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 4: To say the.

1540
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: Least, I don't know how you just disown this child.

1541
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can morally justify that

1542
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: in any instance. And you know this, this is like

1543
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: a normal family in rural Arkansas. The dad who's kind

1544
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: of the patriarch there, This is the child's grandfather on

1545
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: his mother's side, her mother's side, he owns a gun store.

1546
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: I think you went hunting with Don Junior, like he

1547
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: seems to have some Republican leanings, so so what And

1548
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: to me it comes across, especially the piece about how

1549
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: hard they fought to make sure that this child cannot

1550
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: have the Biden last name. I mean, it really smacks

1551
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: of classism, smacks of just elitism, like you aren't worthy

1552
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 1: enough and the circumstances of your birth are too tawdry

1553
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: for us to even acknowledge that you exist, and certainly

1554
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: not to welcome you into the family. I don't think

1555
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: it's defensible, and I think it's grotesque that the view

1556
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: tried to defend it.

1557
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 3: Oh it's sick.

1558
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, look, obviously Hunter is the one

1559
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: here most to blame. I mean, he knocked up a

1560
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: stripper and then basically banished her, you know, refused to pay.

1561
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: She literally had to sue him for child support and

1562
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: for support. So let's put the deadbeat, repulsive behavior aside.

1563
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 3: He's not the president, so that's fine.

1564
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: But the president is the person, as you said, who

1565
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 2: puts family at the center, the loss that he has

1566
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 2: experienced throughout his life as a testament to his character

1567
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: and how he conducts himself on a daily basis, and

1568
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: he refuses to acknowledge, you know, the grandchild that he

1569
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: has by birthright, you know, in Arkansas. And then do

1570
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: we really believe that Hunter was the person who wasn't

1571
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 2: the you know that Bridge just the only one pushing

1572
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: that she wouldn't be able to use the Biden family name.

1573
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: Like we know that he was obviously intimately involved in this.

1574
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: And you know, Fox News is Peter Doucy has asked

1575
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 2: him about this grandchild before and he's flown off the handle,

1576
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: calling him a classy guy and all this stuff. I'm like, well, look,

1577
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, you're pursuing one of the closet classless acts

1578
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 2: that I've seen, you know, from a person who is

1579
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: a head of state, who's effectively shunning somebody who is

1580
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: your grandchild through absolutely zero fault of their own. This

1581
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: is a four year old who is full knowledge of

1582
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: you as their grandparent and of your father. And if

1583
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: your son chooses to be a deadbeat dad, that's one thing,

1584
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: but it is an absolute choice on your behalf in

1585
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: order to not publicly embrace this person. And I also think, look,

1586
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: America's messy, and you know, our divorce rate speaks to that,

1587
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: and there's I think there's a lot of problems and

1588
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: all that, but most Americans would feel nothing but deep

1589
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 2: empathy towards you for embracing this child and for saying,

1590
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: no matter what family is family, we don't care about

1591
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: the circumstances, mistakes have been made.

1592
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 3: And all of that. But he's an eighty year old man.

1593
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: Do you really want to go to your deathbed knowing

1594
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: that one of your grandchildren, who is related to you

1595
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 2: by blood has no relationship with you? And then also

1596
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: then for have this publicly be a thing and to

1597
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: still retrench in that position is the height of disgust

1598
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: for how a person conducts himself in this way. And

1599
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: it's not just about Biden, it's about you know, Jill Biden,

1600
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: the entire first family, and.

1601
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 3: That the way that they have behaved here this is

1602
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:31,440
Speaker 3: Kennedy esque.

1603
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: In terms of the way they you know, rally around

1604
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: ted after Chap equittic and all that, and the way

1605
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 2: that they keep these things, you know, very internal and

1606
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: try and keep the shame and you know, and and

1607
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: they go after those who you know, are victims of

1608
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: their own personal behavior just to try and retain some

1609
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: public image.

1610
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 1: It's so unfairly and you're right, families can be messy family.

1611
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: You know, this is obviously not something that you know,

1612
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,879
Speaker 1: Hunter really wanted or Joe Biden really anticipated. It's it,

1613
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: but this child is not responsible for the way that

1614
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: she came into the world. It's not her fault who

1615
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: her parents are. And so, you know, I also was

1616
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: thinking about soccer. Remember when after Bo Biden died and

1617
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: Hunter ended up in a relationship with Bo's widow, and

1618
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: actually Joe and Jill acknowledged that, and you know, put

1619
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: their stamp of approval on that. That was also very

1620
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: messy and also rather tawdry. But you know, apparently they

1621
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: found the characters in that relationship high born enough for

1622
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: them to acknowledge. So that's why I really feel like

1623
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: this just smacks of a deep sort of classism and condescension.

1624
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: And the piece that Anna and Navarro said, I guess

1625
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: in particular, bothered me about, like, well, this isn't really

1626
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: on Joe. They should be asking Hunter, and it's like, okay,

1627
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 1: but Hunter's not the president of the United States.

1628
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 4: Number one and number two.

1629
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: How many grandparents are out there in America right now,

1630
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: who have you know, been in difficult circumstances with their

1631
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: kids and they have stepped up for their grandchildren in

1632
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: spite of whatever is going on with their children. There

1633
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: are a lot, a lot millions of grandparents who have

1634
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: stepped in to fulfill that role. So to completely absolve

1635
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: him of this, I just again, I I just genuinely

1636
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: don't understand how you can do it. And yes, the

1637
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: Republicans are doing everything they can to weaponize Hunter, no

1638
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: doubt about it, But that does not change the reality

1639
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: that number one, this is more endowed, hardly like a

1640
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: Republican operative here. And number two, this child is his

1641
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: grandchild and the basic human decent thing to do is

1642
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: to welcome and celebrate her and have her be part.

1643
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 4: Of the family.

1644
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

1645
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: You know, think about the millions of people out there

1646
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: with very similar circumstances who had crack addicted children, who

1647
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: may have fathered children, you know, out of wedlock and

1648
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: all that, and they stepped up.

1649
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 4: Go to Westbridge.

1650
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: The number of grandparents who are raising kids and you

1651
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: know their grandkids.

1652
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 2: Where I'm from, it's a very common thing as well.

1653
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people. That's why I said,

1654
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, if you act in the right way, you

1655
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: actually could have some empathy. But you know, look, he's

1656
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: chosen to conduct himself this manner. I think he's absolutely discussing, Crystal,

1657
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: what are you taking a look at?

1658
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 4: Well?

1659
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: Former President Obama has emerged once again to lecture us

1660
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: all on our failings and to bemoan the state of

1661
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: the world, a state that he himself co authored as

1662
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: president for eight years. Of course, here he is in

1663
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: an interview with Hasanmanaj, explaining the advice that he would

1664
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: give to his daughter Malia on the despair she feels

1665
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: about climate change.

1666
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 9: Malia comes to me, she says, you know what, she's

1667
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 9: twenty four.

1668
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 7: All our friends.

1669
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 9: We sometimes we talk about climate change and we just

1670
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 9: feel like there is no way we're going to be

1671
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 9: able to solve this. We're looking at the science. It

1672
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 9: feels as if we're on a trajectory that we're going

1673
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 9: to sail past this two degrees centigrade benchmark, where after

1674
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 9: that potentially things are getting cataclysmic. And so I'll be

1675
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 9: honest with you, Dad, a lot of my friends they

1676
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 9: just feel as if what's the point because the world's

1677
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 9: burning and there's nothing I can do. And I said

1678
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 9: to her, well, she asked me, what should I say

1679
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 9: to them? And what I said to him is what

1680
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 9: I said to her is Look, we may not be

1681
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 9: able to cap temperature rise to two degrees centigrade. But

1682
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 9: here's the thing. If we work really hard, we may

1683
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 9: be able to cap it at two and a half

1684
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 9: instead of three, or three instead of three and a half.

1685
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 9: That extra centigrade that might mean the difference between whether

1686
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 9: Bamalla Dash is underwater, right. It might make the difference

1687
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 9: as to whether you know, one hundred million people have

1688
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 9: to migrate right or only a few.

1689
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 3: In these incremental changes.

1690
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 7: That matters.

1691
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 9: It makes a difference, and we're fighting for and it's

1692
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 9: worth fighting.

1693
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 11: You can't descend into nihilism and not try to save

1694
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 11: those one hundred, two hundred and three hundred million people.

1695
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 4: That's a lot of people.

1696
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a lot of people.

1697
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: Now, there are about one hundred and raging things about

1698
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 1: all of this, and they are all classic Obama. The

1699
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: most maddening has got to be the way he always

1700
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: removes himself from the action, blessing us with his wisdom,

1701
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: but never, you know, actually doing anything about the problems

1702
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: that he identifies. Even as president he basically did the

1703
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: same thing, unwilling to get his hands, dirty and political struggle,

1704
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: but very happy to dispense sage advice and analysis here. Also,

1705
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: as is his custom, Obama completely absolves him of accountability

1706
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: for his own record of climate action avoidance at what,

1707
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: in retrospect was obviously a really critical time. The centerpiece

1708
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: of those efforts was cap and Trade legislation, which passed

1709
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: the House and got hung up in the Senate in

1710
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Obama's first term. Please recall that Obama had a big

1711
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: House majority and for a time a filibuster proof majority

1712
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,480
Speaker 1: in the Senate. Once Cap and Trade became politically polarized

1713
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: and bipartisan support dropped from it, Obama just abandoned and

1714
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: really never looked back. Instead, he vacillated between some small

1715
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: boar efforts like the virtue signaling Paris Climate Agreement, which

1716
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: lacked any sort of legal force of law, an actively

1717
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: destructive policy like continuing oil and gas subsidies, backing fossil

1718
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: fuel projects around the world, and leaning hard into the

1719
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: new fracking boom. Here so you will recall, is Obama

1720
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: bragging to a Texas audience about his role in Drill, Baby, Drill.

1721
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 7: No, We're an oil country and.

1722
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 9: We need American energy, and by the way American energy production.

1723
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 9: You wouldn't always know it, but yeah, it went up

1724
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 9: every year I was president, and you know that whole

1725
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 9: Suddenly America is like the biggest oil producer and the

1726
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 9: biggest gut That was me, people.

1727
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 4: I just want you to so that was me, people.

1728
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Climate activist Bill mckibbon put it this way in an

1729
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Speaker 1: interview with the Obama Oral History Project. Quote, no matter

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Speaker 1: how much I liked him, it was very clear he

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: could care less about any of this stuff at some

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: deep level and was not willing to sacrifice or suffer

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Speaker 1: any political.

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01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 4: Pain in order to raise the issue.

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Speaker 1: I think you could say that about a number of

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: issues during the Obama era. Now, how does that reality

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01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: square with Obama's admonition to young people that they've got

1738
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: to fight and work really hard to try to limit

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01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: temperature rise, a struggle that he absented himself from in

1740
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 1: office and has failed to join as a private citizen,

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: preferring instead to fill his role as global brand and

1742
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: swooping in a key moments to enforce a Democratic party

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01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: status quote. His his post presidency deserves, in my opinion,

1744
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: as much scrutiny in some ways as his presidency. Here

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01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: He is a wealthy, beloved, connected, powerful global figure who

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01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: has dedicated his life to popping up in interviews such

1747
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: as this one to demand that we limit our political

1748
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: imaginations and enforce a worldview that says incrementalism is the

1749
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: very best that we can hope for. That's what really

1750
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: comes through in the little negotiation he has with himself

1751
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: and his theoretical advice to Malia on what level of

1752
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: temperature increase.

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01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 4: That we should try to settle.

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01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,520
Speaker 1: For the fact that, thanks in part to his own failures,

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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: we will surely blow past the two degrees mark is

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01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: hand waved away, even as he acknowledges that every tick

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01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: upward is potentially devastating for vast swahs of humanity. Just

1758
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: to give you a little bit of a sense here,

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01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: one analysis found that temperature rise of two point five

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01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: or three degrees, which Obama floats, could slash global GDP

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01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: by a quarter. But if incrementalism is all that's on off,

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01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: or you have to accept that temperatures will just continue

1763
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: to rise and we should just fight really hard to

1764
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: limit the war's displacement and death that will surely result.

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure he and his family, of course, will be

1766
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: well insulated from all of the chaos. To me, though,

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01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: in some ways, the most interesting part of this interview

1768
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: came in a question from Minaj because he put his

1769
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: finger on something that's been bothering me.

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01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 4: For a while.

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01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Listen to how he practically begs Obama to actually be

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01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: emotionally honest just for once.

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Speaker 7: That is what I'm trying to get out of you.

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Speaker 11: Actually, I'm actually just gonna say it, emotional honesty. Yes,

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01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 11: because when you first came into office, when I was

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01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 11: uh Sasha's age, you were like ted Lasso season one,

1777
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 11: folks see optimistic, cheerful, and now some of these kind

1778
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 11: of like vox dot com talking points feel like Ted

1779
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 11: Lasso season three, oh man, predictable and that time's forced

1780
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 11: and what let me give you that's a tough review,

1781
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 11: but I want to give you props. Yes, remember that

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01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 11: moment where you were like caught the hot mic in

1783
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,480
Speaker 11: your like Kanye is a jackass.

1784
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 7: A nice person award?

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01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 5: Why would he do that?

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01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 11: And everyone's like yes, yeah, yes, there's these moments of

1787
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 11: emotional honesty where there's such deep resonance because the American

1788
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 11: public feels gas lit and lie to I will say

1789
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 11: this about the other guy who is in office. He

1790
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,839
Speaker 11: was a factual liar, but emotionally honest.

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Speaker 9: He was always who he is.

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01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I think progressives sometimes can be factually accurate

1793
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 11: but emotionally dishonest.

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01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Now Obama doesn't really respond, of course, he just swears

1795
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: he's being who he really is.

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01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 4: And listen, maybe that's true.

1797
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: But we should not allow politicians like him or Biden,

1798
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: or so called progressives to get away with claiming an

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01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: issue is existential and then meekly crying about the parliamentarian

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01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: or how mean the Republicans are, or the difficulty of

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01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: working with Joe Manchin. It is, at its core, deeply dishonest.

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01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: It's emotionally manipulative. Not to mention the stakes are really

1803
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: pretty high. Just to look around the world right now.

1804
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: We just had a string of days that were the

1805
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: hottest in history, and the Southwest is getting roasted with

1806
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: relentless triple digit heat pushing one hundred and twenty degrees.

1807
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Historic Canadian wildfires are suffocating much of the US with

1808
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: dangerously poor air quality levels on what is now a

1809
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: pretty regular basis. Meanwhile, extreme floods just hit New York

1810
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: and Vermont, much of New England, and what is being

1811
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: described as a one in one thousand year tidal wave

1812
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: of water that has already caused massive damage, chaos, and

1813
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: led to at least one death. Obama can, I'm sure,

1814
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: recite these statistics and more quite ablee in a soothing

1815
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: tone of deep concern, and then he will implore young

1816
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: people to take action because g someone ought to do

1817
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: something about all of these problems.

1818
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: Saga. It's classic Obama.

1819
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1820
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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

1821
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 4: All right, Saga, were looking at well.

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01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: Whenever I travel, I try my best to check out

1823
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 2: from the news completely, but I confess only two things

1824
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: actually piqued my interest while I was gone.

1825
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 3: Affirmative Action, which I touch on.

1826
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Speaker 2: Yesterday, and then rumblings about a movie that I had

1827
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: not heard of, Sound of Freedom. From what I could gather,

1828
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 2: it was doing very well in the US despite expectations.

1829
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 2: But only upon my return did I decide to look

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01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 2: into it, not only in the movie, but an increasingly

1831
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: shrill and elite effort to stop people from watching the movie.

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Speaker 3: And why So, to begin with, what is the Sound

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01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 3: of freedom.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a movie loosely based on the life of

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Speaker 2: Tim Ballard. He's the founder of an operation Underground Railroad,

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01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:32,480
Speaker 2: an organization dedicated to combating global child trafficking. Ballard previously

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01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 2: served as a special agent in the Department of Homeland

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01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: Security to combat child pornography and child endangerment, but left

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01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: to start his own organization after he says he found

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: bureaucratic red tape that frustrated his ability to try and

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01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: save children in developing countries. The film dramatizes efforts by

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01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Ballard and his organization to infiltrate child sex trafficking organizations abroad,

1843
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,440
Speaker 2: but bust them that saved the kids and press lawmakers

1844
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: to pass laws to make it more difficult. Overall, the

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01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: film has been a sh shocking, dramatic success so far,

1846
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: some forty million dollars at the box office in a

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01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 2: few days, and has come close even to the latest

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01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: release of the Indiana Jones franchise. So the question arises,

1849
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 2: why is there even a controversy around this movie at all? Well, apparently,

1850
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: child sex trafficking is a topic itself has now been

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01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 2: very politicized in the eyes of these media organizations. Effectively

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01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: being linked in and mentioned whatsoever with the QAnon movement. Now,

1853
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 2: criticism of the movie effectively says that it dramatizes the

1854
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: problem of child sex trafficking globally and feeds q ANDON

1855
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 2: conspiracies by validating it as a reality. This was effectively

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01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 2: the criticism that CNN brought on its air regarding the movie.

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01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, and.

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01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 8: This film is being marketed to either specific q ANDON

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01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 8: believers or to people who believe all of the same

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01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 8: tenets as QAnon but claim they don't know what it is.

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Speaker 12: And the Sound of Freedom does focus on a real

1862
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 12: issue of sex trafficking. But that theme, it's sort of

1863
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 12: like that kernel of truth that feeds the QAnon conspiracy theory.

1864
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 12: Tell us how those two things work together.

1865
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 8: Sure, and the most durable and the most believable conspiracy

1866
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 8: theories are not entirely false. There's something in them that

1867
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 8: is true and the rest of it is false. But

1868
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 8: the believers point to the one true thing and they say, oh,

1869
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 8: you don't believe that this particular thing is true. In

1870
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 8: terms of child trafficking. We know trafficking is real, we

1871
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 8: know it has real victims. No one is denying that

1872
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 8: but these films are created out of moral panics, they're

1873
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 8: created out of bogus statistics, They're created out of fear,

1874
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 8: and with something like Sound of Freedom, it specifically is

1875
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 8: looking at q it on concepts of these child trafficking

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01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 8: rings that are run by the high level elites, and

1877
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 8: only people like Tim Ballard, and only people like Jim

1878
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,839
Speaker 8: Cavizl and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer

1879
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 8: can help bring these trafficking rings down.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the criticism is actually simple. The film is

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01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 2: being marketed towards QAnon believers or those unwittingly are buying

1882
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: into QAnon who watch the movie. But in the same

1883
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: breath they do acknowledge, of course the child sex trafficking

1884
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 2: is real, but that the idea of that it leads

1885
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: participating it is ridiculous. Well, perhaps they have not heard

1886
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: of Epstein's Island. But below all of this, I find

1887
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: myself asking a simple question, why are the CNN these

1888
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: other liberal media organizations spending so much time going after

1889
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 2: one of the most basic movie ideas of all time

1890
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 2: based on a true story. Rolling Stone took the same

1891
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: tactic in the review of the movie, saying Sound of

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01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: Freedom is a superhero movie for dads with brainworms and

1893
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 2: described it as quote a q andon tinged thriller about

1894
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 2: child trafficking designed to appeal to the conscience.

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01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 3: Of a conspiracy addled boomer.

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01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: The review evidence for why the movie is QAnon adjacent

1897
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: is that some people on.

1898
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 3: Some q and on boards are heralding the movie.

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01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 2: And once again took aim at the moving for movie

1900
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: for validating that child sex trafficking is a big problem

1901
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 2: in our society.

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01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 3: They write, quote, there is visible suffering all around us

1903
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 3: in America.

1904
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 2: There are poor and unhoused people brutalized killed by police.

1905
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 2: There are mass shootings, lack of healthcare, climate disasters, and

1906
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: yet over and over again, the far right learns these

1907
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 2: sortid fantasies about godless monsters hurting children. I mean, once again,

1908
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: is anyone saying that any of those problems are not real?

1909
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Are they just even saying that by watching this movie

1910
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: or supporting it, the child sex traffic is the biggest

1911
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 2: problem that we face, or are they just saying it's

1912
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: a problem ignored or not paying enough attention to in society.

1913
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 2: The Guardian also parroted the same line in their review

1914
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 2: of the film. They called it QAnon adjacent, and once

1915
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: again they are the only ones shoehorning anything political into

1916
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 2: this interpretation. They readily admit that Taken, a film already

1917
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 2: made starring Liam Neeson, invented this genre and that the

1918
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 2: film seeks to replicate its very success to prove q

1919
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Andon connections. Reviews focus on the star of the film

1920
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 2: and his past comments, but they seldom find any specific

1921
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 2: example overtly in the movie, tying it to a conspiracy.

1922
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you do not have to be a

1923
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: crazy person to believe child sex trafficking is a problem,

1924
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be a political statement actually to go

1925
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,959
Speaker 2: on an entertaining film trying to highlight such this subject.

1926
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: I particularly found it funny that Rolling Stone described the

1927
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 2: movie as the dream of boomer dads and describe the

1928
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 2: plot as some sort of white savior complex. Considering that

1929
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: the current data released so far via Variety indicates ticket

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01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 2: buyers to this film are quote predominantly female, and that

1931
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,919
Speaker 2: a full one third of the audience so far is Hispanic,

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01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: someone should ask these female Latinos what they think of

1933
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: that criticism, And in fact, I actually think this demographic

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01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 2: validates something important about the film. Vulnerable children in developing

1935
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 2: countries are preyed upon by wealthy people both in country

1936
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: and who travel abroad specifically to indulge in these disgusting fantasies.

1937
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: Anyone who has ever been to Thailand or walk the

1938
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: streets of Bangkok or Fuquet like I have, knows what

1939
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 2: this film describes is a very real and gross phenomenon.

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01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 2: A large Hispanic audience from the film may even have

1941
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,959
Speaker 2: personal experience with this issue, considering that Latin America remains

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01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,520
Speaker 2: one of the global hotspots of child trafficking today. Furthermore,

1943
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Speaker 2: the real line that the media appears to be going

1944
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 2: with is that any discussion of elites and child sex

1945
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 2: trafficking by definition, validates every q Andon conspiracy ever. And

1946
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: first of all, it's as if they want to pretend,

1947
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: as I said, that Epstein never happened and that we

1948
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: still don't know all the people who were involved there.

1949
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 2: But second, why does someone somewhere believing something wacky invalidate

1950
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 2: what before q Andon has always been acknowledged as a

1951
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: pervasive problem plaguing US law enforcement globally. Broadly, the success

1952
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: of the film does speak volumes. It is running on

1953
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: part at the box office as I said with Indiana,

1954
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Jones undeniably already called a summer box office hit with

1955
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 2: effectively zero mainstream promotion and strength only from online support

1956
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 2: and word of mouth. Hollywood pros are already saying it

1957
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 2: is especially notework that it hit the top five in

1958
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 2: a time reserved for the biggest blockbusters in all of Hollywood.

1959
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, people want to

1960
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: be entertained, and they also don't want to be told

1961
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: what to think, so maybe things in entertainment will be okay.

1962
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 2: After all, I'm curious what your sound of freedom take is, Crystal.

1963
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: What do you think I mean?

1964
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: Listen, liberals are annoying, okay, but film is political. Conservatives

1965
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: freacount all the time about various mainstream movies. There's a

1966
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: whole like Barbie Map controversy right now. All that's about

1967
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Southshire's Little Mermaid, you know, the main character being black.

1968
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that there is a lot

1969
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: of conservative freacount about movies. And I would also say, listen,

1970
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie. You haven't seen the movie.

1971
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm not going to opine on the specifics of the movie.

1972
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: The dude that it is based on is at best

1973
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: of fabulous and at worst an outright fraudster. His organization

1974
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: has been caught in any number of lies. Just to

1975
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: give you one. Per twenty early discussing example, they highlighted

1976
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: this young girl who they called Lilliana, who they said

1977
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: was trafficked across the border at age eleven. They said

1978
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 1: that they freed her from her hell of being trafficked

1979
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:16,879
Speaker 1: and raped thirty to forty times a day. Lilliana freed herself.

1980
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: This organization had nothing to do with her, didn't even

1981
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: know her until two years or something after she was

1982
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: able to free herself from her own hell, and some

1983
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: of the key details, even her age, and the circumstances

1984
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: under which she was trafficked she came across the border

1985
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: with a romantic partner, for example, were completely you know, invented,

1986
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: and that's not the only circumstance. Journalists went along with

1987
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: them on one of their raids, and I think it

1988
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: was in Haiti, and found that actually some of the

1989
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 1: kids that they were trying to save from from their

1990
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: own hell, they were being traffic for the first time

1991
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: that time because they had actually inadvertently created demand for.

1992
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 4: Sex trafficking through their tactics. Other people who work.

1993
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: In the space say that they go about this in

1994
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: like a horrible way. They don't keep track of the

1995
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: women and girls that they work with. After the fact,

1996
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: they were under investigation by the State of Utah for

1997
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 1: lying to donors and potentially abusing some of these trafficking

1998
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: victims themselves. That investigation, I will say, has been dropped.

1999
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: But just let's be clear the dude that this is

2000
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: based on, there are a lot of questions about who

2001
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: this guy is, what he actually did, and he also has,

2002
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: like it's public that he has this plan to use

2003
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 1: his prominence in the sex trafficking world to bolster his

2004
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: own profile and potentially run for political office.

2005
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 4: So anyway, that's what I'll say.

2006
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Speaker 2: I think everything you just said is completely fine. I

2007
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 2: just don't think it has any to do with the movie.

2008
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 2: And so it was like the movie I guess is

2009
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: based on him, But you know what I mean.

2010
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say, and

2011
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: you haven't watched it either, So I don't know how

2012
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:51,480
Speaker 1: you can say that definitively.

2013
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's based on his life. But the point, well, yeah,

2014
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 3: I guess it is.

2015
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: I need to look at the end of the Day

2016
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: is a dramatization quote unquote like based on a true story.

2017
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 2: So I think all that is true. I think all

2018
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 2: that criticism should remain there. But I'm saying that what

2019
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 2: effectively is being said is that the movie itself is

2020
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: QAnon based. Now, the star Jim what's his name, kevkas whatever,

2021
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 2: I can't pronounce it properly.

2022
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely said some crazy stuff.

2023
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 4: He's spoken a q Andon.

2024
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that one hundred percent true.

2025
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 2: However, you know, once again, like in the movie, like,

2026
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 2: that's not actually what's being done. So I think we

2027
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 2: should look at these things on their merits. The fact

2028
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 2: that the movie is doing well doesn't appear to really.

2029
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, how many

2030
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 2: times do we talk about q Andon and the tiny

2031
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: slice of the US population. Millions of people have gone

2032
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 2: and seen already, people were going to go see this

2033
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 2: film had nothing to do with QAnon.

2034
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 3: Well, here you just heard about that.

2035
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,839
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that bothers me about the promotion

2036
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of the film, which is that they've been pitching audience

2037
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: members on buy tickets by tickets, buy them ahead of time,

2038
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: and trying to persuade them that they're going to be

2039
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: part of this fight, and that they're doing doing something

2040
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: like noble by buying these tickets, and that they're really gonna,

2041
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, aid in what is a genuine, legitimate, horrific

2042
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: problem here and around the world. And you know, I

2043
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: think that that is incredibly emotionally manipulative and misleading as well.

2044
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 3: Well, here's the other ass and that's a great follow

2045
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 3: up piece.

2046
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: Did you actually use this money to do anything about

2047
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 2: this problem or are you doing it for so you

2048
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: want to.

2049
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Get straight answers from them because they've been caught in

2050
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: any number of a lot.

2051
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 3: I think that's a one hundred percent, you know, fair question.

2052
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: I think all the points that you just brought up

2053
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 2: are exactly the things they should talk about, and yet

2054
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 2: what are we talking about instead?

2055
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 3: They're like anybody even goes see the.

2056
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 2: Movies, some like QAnon nut Job, and I'm like, these

2057
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 2: are all far more legitimate I think lines of inquiry

2058
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to it. So anyway, I thought it

2059
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 2: was interesting in terms of the discourse hall here and

2060
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: actually our discussion was far better I think than most

2061
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: of what.

2062
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 3: We're seeing in Guard.

2063
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess that's uh that's kind of har

2064
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 2: we of course, right, that's We've got a great guest

2065
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 2: standing by Sean O'Brien.

2066
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

2067
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: So, as you guys know, because we've been covering it

2068
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: on the show, there is a potential massive strike looming

2069
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: at the end of this month. That's gone and put

2070
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This would involve three hundred

2071
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: and forty thousand UPS workers who are organized under the

2072
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: International Brotherhood of Teamsters. This was the very last update

2073
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: that we got after marathon sessions. UPS negotiations collapse around

2074
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: four am. UPS walked away from the bargaining table after

2075
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: presenting an unacceptable offer to the Teamsters that did not

2076
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: address members' needs. We are very excited to be joined

2077
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: in studio by the international President of the Teamsters Union,

2078
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: Sean O'Brien.

2079
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 3: Welcome, Sar, Thank you very much.

2080
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 7: I appreciate it.

2081
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: So just give us an update here. Why did negotiations collapse?

2082
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: What are some of the key sticking points at this point.

2083
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 13: Yeah, so we've been negotiating since January. We have forty

2084
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 13: four supplements that are area conditions for the master agreement,

2085
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 13: and we've got all those done and then we started

2086
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 13: negotiating the National Master Agreement towards the end of April,

2087
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 13: made a lot of progress, made a lot of changes

2088
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 13: favorable for our members, and things were going well. And

2089
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 13: then once we got into economics, that's when it started

2090
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 13: to fall apart. And you know, we're not that far

2091
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 13: apart as far as getting the deal done. Ninety five

2092
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 13: percent of the contract has been negotiated. But when it

2093
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 13: came down to talking about wage increases, rewarding people with longevity,

2094
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 13: just rewarding our teams to members, UPS took a position

2095
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 13: at one point that they had no more towards the

2096
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 13: end of it, we have no more to give, and

2097
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 13: I'm like, what does that mean? And so we just

2098
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 13: have no more to give? I said, so there's no

2099
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 13: sense in moving forward then, right, and they left. But

2100
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 13: you know, the sad part about it is that, you know,

2101
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 13: our members, they worked through the pandemic. They provided goods

2102
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 13: and services to this country with total disregard for their

2103
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 13: safety and the safety of their families. We actually transported

2104
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 13: our members, transported vaccines when they weren't even eligible form,

2105
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 13: making sure other people had them.

2106
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 7: And you know, the bottom line of.

2107
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 13: The UPS's balance sheet, they made one hundred billion doll is.

2108
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 13: Everybody got paid through COVID except for our members. When

2109
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 13: you think about it, the shareholders got paid, the executives

2110
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 13: got paid, the CEO got paid and rewarded, and they

2111
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 13: never touched and forwarded a package. So, you know, it's

2112
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 13: a little bit frustrating, especially you know, the earnings that

2113
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 13: UPS has been making as a result of.

2114
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 7: The hot work of our three hundred and forty thousand teams.

2115
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 13: And it's frightening when you see, you know, our part timers.

2116
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 13: It's actually embarrassing for UPS when part timers are making,

2117
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 13: you know, living in poverty in some of the big

2118
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 13: cities that are on subsidized housing. So it's time for

2119
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 13: UPS to do the right thing and reward these these folks.

2120
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no argument.

2121
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 2: Here. Reminds us a lot of the railway situation and

2122
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 2: the people who literally make a country run and are

2123
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 2: the people not getting paid well the big executives are.

2124
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 2: So let's talk actually, I think about that because you know,

2125
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 2: we're talking here about the economic conditions and more like,

2126
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 2: give people a sense of what you're asking for a

2127
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 2: very basic fairness in terms of compensation.

2128
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 13: Look, I mean, UPS has you know, had double digit earnings.

2129
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 13: You know, they double their profits, double their volume. And

2130
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 13: you know, the reality is our members want to be rewarded,

2131
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 13: and you know, the UPS is going around telling people, well,

2132
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 13: the full time is make ninety three thousand dollars per

2133
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 13: year with fifty thousand dollars benefits. And that may be true,

2134
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 13: but not ninety three thousand dollars a year is not

2135
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 13: an easy task. They're working sixty sixty five hours per week.

2136
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 13: It's a very demanding job. And our full time is,

2137
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 13: regardless what they make, need to be paid more. UPS

2138
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 13: has set the industry standards, but that's only because the

2139
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 13: teamsit's union is a conscience. We've fought long and hard

2140
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 13: for decades to get the conditions and benefits. UPS is

2141
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 13: not giving them to our members out of the kindness

2142
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 13: of our heart. And the part timers, I mean, everybody

2143
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 13: sees their UPS driver in their neighborhoods, but they don't

2144
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 13: understand that without the part timers, who some are working

2145
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 13: two or three.

2146
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 7: Jobs and make ends meet.

2147
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 13: Without the part timers, those packages don't get loaded or

2148
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 13: unloaded on those trucks. So there they're the unsung heroes

2149
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 13: of the of this bad of this fight, and they

2150
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 13: need to be rewarded. And look, this is something that

2151
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 13: UPS has the opportunity to do, to be the model

2152
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 13: employer throughout the United States, to show and demonstrate this

2153
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 13: is how you treat and reward people that make you

2154
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 13: the success that you are.

2155
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:15,719
Speaker 4: And this is no small issue.

2156
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: What percentage of the three hundred and forty thousand are

2157
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: actually part timers, because I know it's a signals Well.

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Speaker 13: It's over fifty percent, probably fifty fifty three percent, and

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Speaker 13: one hundred thousand of those UPS part timers are making

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Speaker 13: less than twenty dollars per hour. Wow, in UPS, UPS,

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Speaker 13: you know hasn't been consistent either with all their you know,

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Speaker 13: tweets and all their little press releases. One time, one

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Speaker 13: minute they're saying they make over twenty dollars an hour,

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Speaker 13: and then next minute they're saying they make five dollars

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Speaker 13: less than thirty nine dollars an hour. So the one

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Speaker 13: thing we've been consistent and on messaging and you know UPS, Look,

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Speaker 13: if they want to get a deal, all they have

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Speaker 13: to do is pick up the phone.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the context of

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Speaker 1: how we got here. You were recently elected key part

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Speaker 1: of your campaign seem to be, you know, promising you

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Speaker 1: would take a more aggressive stand on these contract negotiations.

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Speaker 1: I know members voted overwhelmingly to authorize a potential strike.

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Speaker 1: So can you talk about, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: concessions that were made in previous contracts that led you

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Speaker 1: to this place of being willing to walk away and

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Speaker 1: really pushing hard for what your members deserve.

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Speaker 13: Well, the one thing that we have done as administration

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Speaker 13: is we've listened to the people that are responsible for

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Speaker 13: us to be here. That's how rank and file members.

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Speaker 13: Those are the people that you know we work for.

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Speaker 13: They don't work for us. So that's been a different

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Speaker 13: approach that we've taken as a new administration. And the

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Speaker 13: last two contracts have been concessionary. Ups have gotten tremendous flexibility.

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Speaker 13: They had a two taer wage system. There was a

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Speaker 13: lot of stuff that you know, we needed to change

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Speaker 13: and our members weren't happy. So we've been focusing on

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Speaker 13: not just the ups with every contract negotiations. You know,

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Speaker 13: we're not working beyond expiration dates of contracts. We're out there.

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Speaker 7: And the good thing.

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Speaker 13: Right now is because of when we ran the changes

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Speaker 13: we made in our Constitution. Now it's mandated that rank

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Speaker 13: and file members are on the negotiating committees all these

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Speaker 13: national agreements, where they are our best testimonials at the table.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's great when an employer can tell a story.

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Speaker 13: And I always say employers' stories are compelling but highly inaccurate.

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Speaker 13: But there's nothing better when you have someone that's working

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Speaker 13: in that industry that knows the trials and tribulations every

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Speaker 13: day and can actually give true testimonials. That is amazing

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Speaker 13: and it's helped us tremendously in all these negotiations.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about morale within the rank and file,

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Speaker 2: their willingness to stand up for a fair contract here,

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of talk right now, but the

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Speaker 2: great resignation is over about some kind of diminishing willingness

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Speaker 2: amongst labor to not only just strike, but just kind

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Speaker 2: of stand up and try to get what's theirs.

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Speaker 3: What's the attitude right now?

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Speaker 13: But the attitude is our members are fired up. You know,

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Speaker 13: they know what they did for this company, what they

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Speaker 13: did for the country during the pandemic, and you know

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Speaker 13: they want to fight. They want they want to fight.

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Speaker 13: And look, at the end of the day, I don't

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Speaker 13: think anybody wants to strike. But I keep telling people,

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Speaker 13: and this is the truth, that if there is a strike,

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Speaker 13: it's because UPS caused a strike. This is going to

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Speaker 13: be a self inflicted wound. They know what they need

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Speaker 13: to do for our members, they know what they do

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Speaker 13: need to do for their employees, and it's time they

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Speaker 13: do it.

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Speaker 1: What happens next in the negotiations or what do you

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Speaker 1: think are the odds that you get to a deal

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Speaker 1: or that you go out on strike.

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Speaker 7: That's strictly up to UPS. I mean, we're willing to

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Speaker 7: sit down, We're willing to talk.

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Speaker 13: And it's you know, like I said, when ninety done

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Speaker 13: in the contract, all the supplements are done. Now it's

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Speaker 13: just just about the money, the economics. And the problem is,

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Speaker 13: and I don't mean to tell you off, the problem

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Speaker 13: is is that UPS is so focused on Wall Street.

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Speaker 7: They're forgetting about Main Street.

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Speaker 13: Main Street are the people that we represent, the people

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Speaker 13: we have the privilege to work for every single day,

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Speaker 13: and they need to reward main Street. Everybody else is

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Speaker 13: getting paid that hasn't even touched a package or forwarded

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Speaker 13: a package.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how does this impact broader labor movement? And just

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Speaker 1: workers in general.

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Speaker 13: I think what it's going to do, and I'm excited

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Speaker 13: about it. I think we are going to be the

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Speaker 13: template on how to fight big business, how to take

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Speaker 13: them on, and how to win. And I think this

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Speaker 13: is going to invigorate the labor movement even more so.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you see these young workers at Starbucks. You

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Speaker 13: see these young workers all over the country looking to organize,

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Speaker 13: and that's that's refreshing to someone like me and the

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Speaker 13: teams dis Union, because look, I'm a fourth generation teamster

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Speaker 13: and there's nothing better than young people being involved and

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Speaker 13: people want to take on the boss.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, tell us about Amazon. Put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 1: There were some experts who are saying this is kind

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Speaker 1: of a prelude to future Amazon fights. I know you

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Speaker 1: all have been doing some organizing at Amazon locations around

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Speaker 1: the country. It would be huge. Obviously, Amazon huge workforce.

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Speaker 1: They've really degraded work and pay conditions among warehouse workers

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Speaker 1: in particular.

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Speaker 4: What are your plans there?

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Speaker 13: Oh, we have to organize Amazon. There's going to be

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Speaker 13: no question about it. And that's why you know, ups

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Speaker 13: in collaboration with negotiations with teamsters over the years, we

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Speaker 13: have collectively set the standard as high as we can,

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Speaker 13: and we want to maintain that standard as far as

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Speaker 13: when you're working in this business loading trucks delivering packages.

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Speaker 13: We've set that standard and we're going to make sure

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Speaker 13: that we continue to set the highest standard. But we

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Speaker 13: need to take this contract as a template and bring

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Speaker 13: it to these Amazon workers who there's no doubt they

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Speaker 13: have one hundred and ten percent turnover ratio. There's no

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Speaker 13: pathway to a full time career. We need to take

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Speaker 13: this contract and say this is what you get when

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Speaker 13: you become a team st to member. You're going to

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Speaker 13: get health and welfare, you're going to get PENSI, and

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Speaker 13: you're going to get job opportunities. But more importantly, you're

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Speaker 13: going to get dignity and respect in your workplace.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: And finally, last question for you. You know, we've been tracking

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Speaker 1: the fact that public sentiment is at all time highs

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Speaker 1: practically in terms of support for labor unions. You have,

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Speaker 1: you know, not just Democrats now, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: Republicans coming back around. I'm talking about rank and file Republicans,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the ones in Washington.

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Speaker 2: D C.

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Speaker 1: But of organizing in favor of labor unions because they

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Speaker 1: see the way that worker power has been diminished over decades.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, private sector union density continues to decline.

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Speaker 1: So what are the sorts of things that need to

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Speaker 1: be done at the federal policy level in order to

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Speaker 1: enable the you know, burgeoning grassroots labor movement that we've

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Speaker 1: been tracking here across the country.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think I think the government needs to not

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Speaker 13: reward bad employers like Amazon has a ten billion dollar

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Speaker 13: contract for the cloud. You know, if they're not treating workers,

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Speaker 13: they have the highest violations in OSHA. We shouldn't be

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01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 13: the government shouldn't be rewarding bad employers. But we also

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01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 13: should be looking at how we can make it easier

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Speaker 13: for people to organize. You know that you talked about

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Speaker 13: the Proact, and you've talked about we talk about that

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Speaker 13: all the time.

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Speaker 1: But are you disappointed the president sort of drop that

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Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning and I haven't heard about

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Speaker 1: it in a long time and you's still give an

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Speaker 1: Amazon contract.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, the the president has done a law for labor,

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Speaker 13: and sometimes we focus on what have you done for me?

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Speaker 7: Now? I mean, look at the end of the day.

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Speaker 13: We need to find a path to let people organize

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Speaker 13: easier without retaliation or retribution. Union busting is a five

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Speaker 13: hundred billion dollars per year industry, and the government needs

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Speaker 13: a crackdown on that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 13: People nowadays should be able to join a union free

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Speaker 13: of any threats retaliation. But the American people should be

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Speaker 13: entitled to a middle class wage and living and that's

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Speaker 13: not happening right now, but hopefully we can change that.

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Speaker 1: Well, very grateful for your time, good luck and the negotiations.

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Speaker 4: We'll be watching closely. I hope you'll come.

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Speaker 3: Back and keep thee definitely well. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: research I appreciate it. We'll see you guys later.