1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,920
Speaker 1: Hmm, what's l ronning my Hubbards? I'm Robert Evans. This

2
00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,960
Speaker 1: is Behind the Bastards, the podcast where we talked about

3
00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,840
Speaker 1: the very worst people in all of history, and today

4
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,160
Speaker 1: is our super special conclusion episode of the life of

5
00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,040
Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard. Uh And with me today to talk

6
00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,159
Speaker 1: about the last ten years of the craziest man in

7
00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 1: histories life is Michael Swain and Abe Eperson. Thank you

8
00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,200
Speaker 1: for having us. I was making like cheering and crowd

9
00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,280
Speaker 1: sounds with my mouth. I thought it's not a mechanical.

10
00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,319
Speaker 1: I didn't do a good job. I thought you just

11
00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,479
Speaker 1: did that for every ten minutes to like seep out

12
00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,640
Speaker 1: all the sliva from your know, you know what I

13
00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,040
Speaker 1: do when I sucked something up like that. Though, as

14
00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,960
Speaker 1: I tossed my throwing bagels, Oh, I was aware of

15
00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,680
Speaker 1: the throwing bagel trope. I thought they were individually thrown.

16
00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,200
Speaker 1: This is a three pack. Yeah, he's angry, and they

17
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,320
Speaker 1: bounced right off the wall and back to me. So

18
00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm re armed with my throwing bagel. We're also in

19
00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,200
Speaker 1: a home with dozens of panels. You could have targeted.

20
00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,959
Speaker 1: You targeted one right by someone's heat. Well, that's because

21
00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,480
Speaker 1: the nature of the bounce means it won't hit Sophie.

22
00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,200
Speaker 1: If I have a board to her left, it will

23
00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,000
Speaker 1: bounce right back to me. I'm an expert. I love

24
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,000
Speaker 1: that you keep them contained in the bag though, so

25
00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,360
Speaker 1: your vigilante is m is at least kind didn't exactly

26
00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,760
Speaker 1: like you're. You get ants and rats and stuff, you know,

27
00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,360
Speaker 1: that's how you get rats. Yeah, and I don't want

28
00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,600
Speaker 1: rats inside the house. I only want rats in the

29
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,280
Speaker 1: houses of my enemies. There's only the government acceptable level

30
00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,880
Speaker 1: of rats in the studio, and I appreciate that, yeah,

31
00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,120
Speaker 1: which is five. Yeah, that's the max, same as peanut butter,

32
00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,040
Speaker 1: which is why there's so many rats the open peanut

33
00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,240
Speaker 1: butter jars from back when I had trying to rescue

34
00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,080
Speaker 1: their rat friends, or in the peanut butter jars. You see.

35
00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I have five rats at home too, and I'm in

36
00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,040
Speaker 1: like a ratitude situation. So I haven't seen that movie,

37
00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,160
Speaker 1: but I think a guy cooks rats into food and

38
00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,160
Speaker 1: that serves them. The people of France apes eating rats,

39
00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,080
Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to is the correct one. Well,

40
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean the rent is too damn high this rat Now,

41
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,079
Speaker 1: did you all both listen to uh? The three parter

42
00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,240
Speaker 1: I did on the Life of of l. Ron Hubbard

43
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,360
Speaker 1: or L. R. H I did. I gotta ask before

44
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,480
Speaker 1: we before we get in, were you surprised to learn

45
00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,640
Speaker 1: that he in fact could fuck? Oh? I was ready

46
00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,799
Speaker 1: to immediately answer no to everything you said, because I've

47
00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,560
Speaker 1: done of like, he's not the most obscure bastard you've covered. No,

48
00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I've done my own research. But yeah, that was the

49
00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,680
Speaker 1: one detail you found, the one detail that was surprising.

50
00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,280
Speaker 1: I also, I was very pleased because I'm like, I

51
00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,040
Speaker 1: don't it's not like he needed a win, you know,

52
00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,760
Speaker 1: like he definitely didn't need a win. Kind of nailed it.

53
00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,240
Speaker 1: But it's just kind of one of those like just

54
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,560
Speaker 1: one of those things that like life just serves up

55
00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,800
Speaker 1: to you, like reality just says and circumstance and you go, ah, yes,

56
00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,680
Speaker 1: back to nihilism. That's me. Like you find out Milton

57
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Borrow had a foot long the You're like, why, but okay,

58
00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. If there's one thing that came across

59
00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,720
Speaker 1: in that book of a thousand Milton Borough jokes, I

60
00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,480
Speaker 1: had that as a kid man. You just flashed me

61
00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,360
Speaker 1: back to I haven't thought of it in twenty years,

62
00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,640
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, as a seven year old reading

63
00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,760
Speaker 1: that I bet this guy had a fucking salami that

64
00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,960
Speaker 1: could have knocked it. Yeah, well it was a little

65
00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,640
Speaker 1: child imagining that it was dedicated to his testicles for

66
00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,320
Speaker 1: all the weight they bear. As a kid, I just

67
00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,760
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of that, you know, it just seemed

68
00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,200
Speaker 1: like a normal old comedian talking about the balls, speaking

69
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,720
Speaker 1: of old comedians talking about their balls, or not speaking

70
00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,160
Speaker 1: of that at all. When we last left l Ron Hubbard,

71
00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,640
Speaker 1: he'd just come ashore in Florida after multiple years of

72
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,720
Speaker 1: shirking all the laws of land and most of the

73
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,520
Speaker 1: laws of c old Ill and as crazy as a

74
00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,440
Speaker 1: cat with an inner ear infection, Hubbard launched Operation gold Mine.

75
00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,360
Speaker 1: This was his plan to create the Mecca of Scientology,

76
00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,480
Speaker 1: an entire city dedicated to the religion, where scientologists could

77
00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,720
Speaker 1: rule one another and other people based on the principles

78
00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,960
Speaker 1: of their glorious religion. Now, you guys are gonna build

79
00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,960
Speaker 1: a mecca to your own personal religions. Where do you pick? Oh? Boy, well,

80
00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,800
Speaker 1: you got see this is an improv role. You know

81
00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,960
Speaker 1: you're on the spot. First answer, no censorship. What came

82
00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,800
Speaker 1: to mind was Portland, Oregon, No, that's a great place

83
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,080
Speaker 1: to call. That's that's where I played. Because I'm seeing you,

84
00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,000
Speaker 1: but also because i've often that's been at the top

85
00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,040
Speaker 1: of my list of other places to live when I

86
00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,159
Speaker 1: went in if I leave l a um. But I

87
00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,880
Speaker 1: also heard your episode about in part the history of

88
00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,719
Speaker 1: Portland's so I feel bad saying that I would put

89
00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,520
Speaker 1: mine on top of Mount Rushmore. Way better some more

90
00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,599
Speaker 1: time to think. Yeah, yeah, I have more time to

91
00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,159
Speaker 1: think in general on Mount Rushmore. Question is would it

92
00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,719
Speaker 1: be your face? Is your mecca in the shape of

93
00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279
Speaker 1: your face and be whatever funk I want? Just you

94
00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,040
Speaker 1: frowning down on four presidents on my ongoing battle to

95
00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,040
Speaker 1: beat the president. That is what we know about A.

96
00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 1: Well Ron Hubbard was as I think we've a stabbed

97
00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,800
Speaker 1: the craziest man who ever lived. He's a contender in that.

98
00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 1: And as the craziest man who ever lived. He picked

99
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,040
Speaker 1: the craziest state. And I say this as a Texan.

100
00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,520
Speaker 1: Nobody beats Florida in the in the crazy State lottery.

101
00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,880
Speaker 1: It's it's got to be Florida. And of course l

102
00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,760
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard picked the city of clear Water, Florida. Now

103
00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,480
Speaker 1: there was a downside of this, which is that the

104
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 1: site that l Ron Hubbard and his minions selected for

105
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,279
Speaker 1: their faith's new capital was already occupied by tens of

106
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,080
Speaker 1: thousands of people were not scientologists. So this was a problem,

107
00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,760
Speaker 1: but not an insurmountable one because l Ron Hubbard has

108
00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,800
Speaker 1: had as as he had you know, most of our

109
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:42,080
Speaker 1: last Oh, it's not a theory. He's still alive. I

110
00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,680
Speaker 1: hope his head's frozen in a jar. I'd like to

111
00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640
Speaker 1: see him get one more act. I'd like to see

112
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,719
Speaker 1: him and Ted Williams head fight each other someday. Short

113
00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,720
Speaker 1: just rolling around. It's one of those things where after

114
00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,120
Speaker 1: everything we went through in the first three episodes, it's

115
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,720
Speaker 1: it's shocking to me how much gas this guy had

116
00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,839
Speaker 1: left in that This is only the last decade, right,

117
00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,599
Speaker 1: this is the last like ten years of his life.

118
00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,680
Speaker 1: Home again. This is the Game of Thrones finale episode.

119
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,200
Speaker 1: This is not the whole Most dictators get a two part,

120
00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,280
Speaker 1: maybe a three part, like Run Hubbard. This is a

121
00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:19,039
Speaker 1: five part. Yeah. So. Clearwater, Florida, is located west of

122
00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000
Speaker 1: Tampa and north of St. Petersburg, on the far edge

123
00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,239
Speaker 1: of Florida's Midwest coast yep It has a fine Harbor,

124
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,560
Speaker 1: which was good because al run Hubbard still fancied himself

125
00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,200
Speaker 1: a commodore. And as you you pointed out there, Michael,

126
00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,240
Speaker 1: the city's named clear Water made it a perfect fit

127
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,239
Speaker 1: with a run Hubbard's religious cannon, because of course clear

128
00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,640
Speaker 1: is the state of being like, yeah, it's the whole

129
00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,000
Speaker 1: goal in the scientology cannon. In ninety five, when it

130
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,760
Speaker 1: disguised El Ron Hubbard arrived with his retinue, Clearwater was

131
00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,000
Speaker 1: a sleepy retirement community. It went by the nickname Sparkling

132
00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,479
Speaker 1: clear Water, and a third of its hundred thousand citizens

133
00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,080
Speaker 1: were over sixty five. It was not a place that

134
00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,040
Speaker 1: prided itself on hustle and bustle. The town's most prominent

135
00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,880
Speaker 1: building was the old Fort Harrison Hotel and increasingly to

136
00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,120
Speaker 1: crepit monument to clear Waters glory days. The hotel was

137
00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,119
Speaker 1: empty and for sale. In October, the Southern Land Sales

138
00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,480
Speaker 1: and Development Corporation purchased the old hotel. The local attorney,

139
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880
Speaker 1: who represented the building's old owners, called it one of

140
00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,080
Speaker 1: the strangest transactions he'd ever seen. The building's new buyers

141
00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,240
Speaker 1: had paid two point three million dollars in cash for

142
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,320
Speaker 1: the building, and the fact that they had two point

143
00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,960
Speaker 1: three million in cash. Was literally all he knew about them.

144
00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,880
Speaker 1: The buyers would not even admit to having a telephone number.

145
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,360
Speaker 1: Good little almost smell a grift. It's almost impressive. They

146
00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,040
Speaker 1: didn't run a foul of Disney operatives buying land out

147
00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:41,000
Speaker 1: from Florida residence any group like crazier and wealthier than

148
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,920
Speaker 1: the Disney Corporation this period of time, it's the Church

149
00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,360
Speaker 1: of Scientology. Now it's Disney. I mean, we all have

150
00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,760
Speaker 1: a lot, like humans have a long history of just like,

151
00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,200
Speaker 1: if you get enough people and put them in a spot,

152
00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880
Speaker 1: you can declare that yours. Yeah, which is exactly what

153
00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,240
Speaker 1: I planned to do someday in Oregon, like a bunch

154
00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,880
Speaker 1: of people. You guys saw that documentary Wild Wild Country

155
00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 1: like that, that literally is my goal minus poisoning that town. Probably.

156
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,840
Speaker 1: I saw the first important and I was like, it's

157
00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 1: kind of boring. They're not culty enough for my like

158
00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,760
Speaker 1: the part of me that wants to watch it. And

159
00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,920
Speaker 1: everyone said, something happens. So now I know that they

160
00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 1: poisoned the town, They poisoned the ship out of a town.

161
00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,600
Speaker 1: Were past spoiler range. I think they were kind of

162
00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,120
Speaker 1: on the right though, anyway, let's move on past. Yeah.

163
00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,720
Speaker 1: Less than a week later, the Southern Land Development Corporation

164
00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,000
Speaker 1: bought another of the city's landmarks, the Bank of clear

165
00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,080
Speaker 1: Water Building. They paid five and fifty thousand dollars, again

166
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,360
Speaker 1: in cash. Now, residents started talking after this, and they

167
00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,560
Speaker 1: talked even more when a strange old man in a

168
00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,240
Speaker 1: green jumpsuit showed up in town and publicly announced that

169
00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,440
Speaker 1: the Southern Land Company would be leasing the buildings to

170
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,600
Speaker 1: a group called the United Churches of Florida. He claimed

171
00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,640
Speaker 1: that the United Churches would host religious meetings and seminars there.

172
00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,319
Speaker 1: Now this perplexed local journalists. They could find no records

173
00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,520
Speaker 1: anywhere of the United Churches of Florida ever existing. This

174
00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,320
Speaker 1: was because there was no United Churches of Florida or

175
00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,640
Speaker 1: Southern Land Development Company for that at her. Both organizations were,

176
00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,040
Speaker 1: of course, fronts for the Church of Scientology. December five,

177
00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 1: I'll Run Hubbard officially announced Project Power three a k a.

178
00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,480
Speaker 1: Operation Normandy. I that's it gets really close. It's got

179
00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,560
Speaker 1: those three blades. Yeah, yeah, you say that with a

180
00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,880
Speaker 1: full beard. No one at this table shaves regular literature.

181
00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,960
Speaker 1: The literature they handed me made me understand that I

182
00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,560
Speaker 1: am clean shaven. The scienology razor works. This is just

183
00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,439
Speaker 1: my sin coming out of my face. I'm gonna get

184
00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,720
Speaker 1: it out of it away. Get you're shaved on the inside,

185
00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,679
Speaker 1: which is where it happens. Little hairs, little things, It's

186
00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,520
Speaker 1: all the same stuff. Now. The purpose of Operation Normandy

187
00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,800
Speaker 1: was quote to fully investigate the Clearwater City and County

188
00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,240
Speaker 1: area so we can distinguish our friends from our enemies

189
00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,880
Speaker 1: and handle is needed. Hubbard's overall plan to accomplish this

190
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,520
Speaker 1: was quote to locate opinion leaders, then their enemies the

191
00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,360
Speaker 1: dirt scandal, vested interest crime of the enemies with overt

192
00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,920
Speaker 1: data as much as possible, then turn this over to

193
00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,280
Speaker 1: United Churches, who will approach the opinion leader and get

194
00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640
Speaker 1: his agreement to look into a specific subject which will

195
00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 1: lead to the enemy's crimes. United Churches then discovers the scandal, etcetera,

196
00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880
Speaker 1: and turns it over to the opinion leader for his use.

197
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,319
Speaker 1: Ops can be done as a follow up to remove

198
00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,600
Speaker 1: or restrain the enemy. So Wow just gets right into

199
00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,240
Speaker 1: it with how do we deal with our enemies that

200
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna make That's his tool is to blackmail so

201
00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,120
Speaker 1: quick like he doesn't like someone introduces you by pointing

202
00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,040
Speaker 1: him across the room at a party, like, oh, yeah,

203
00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,920
Speaker 1: that's my friend l Ron. He's got dirt on your

204
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680
Speaker 1: Damn that was fast. Yeah yeah, I mean he's like

205
00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,280
Speaker 1: in his sixties at this point. He's experienced. He knows,

206
00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't pussy foot around like it's time to We're

207
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,840
Speaker 1: gonna make enemies, so we need a plan to destroy it.

208
00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,319
Speaker 1: Our mob boat has reached land begin discovering everyone. Since

209
00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, like video games where you're supposed to like

210
00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,680
Speaker 1: you have like offense and defense and you have to

211
00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,120
Speaker 1: power them both up. He's done this enough to know

212
00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,160
Speaker 1: he's like, well, it's going to be ahead of the

213
00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,120
Speaker 1: curve on the defense. He's been playing for a long

214
00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,680
Speaker 1: shot exactly now. One of these enemies a reporter for

215
00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,320
Speaker 1: the clear Water Sun named Mark Sableman. Mark had been

216
00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,240
Speaker 1: sniffing around the church's operations in clear Water and revealed

217
00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,880
Speaker 1: some evidence that suggested the United Churches were really the

218
00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,400
Speaker 1: Church of Scientology and so on January nineteen seventy six,

219
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,200
Speaker 1: a church official named Joe Liza wrote up a scheme

220
00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 1: to get Mark fired. Quote, have a woman elderly go

221
00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120
Speaker 1: into the office and grief and miss emotions, starts screaming

222
00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,440
Speaker 1: that she wants to see Sableman's boss. She goes in

223
00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,840
Speaker 1: and sees this man and screams and cries about Sableman's

224
00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,559
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting her son or grandson. The woman takes a

225
00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 1: magazine which is lured and perverted, and throws it into

226
00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,920
Speaker 1: the face of the man. Woman and screams, look what

227
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,200
Speaker 1: he gave my son. Not to mention what the pervert did.

228
00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,079
Speaker 1: Sob sob to my Johnny, I'm going to the police.

229
00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 1: If you can't do something about that pervert Sableman, I

230
00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,760
Speaker 1: will see that they do something to you. So journalist

231
00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,960
Speaker 1: reveals the very basic detail that they're secretly buying up

232
00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,559
Speaker 1: land and that at one point in time, sob sub

233
00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,000
Speaker 1: to my Johnny. That's literally how it's written, subsob to

234
00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,199
Speaker 1: my Johnny. Yeah, that's like a song you would here

235
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,120
Speaker 1: at the sap or like it's it could be kind

236
00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:10,440
Speaker 1: of like a like a greeting to like subs magenny.

237
00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,880
Speaker 1: What Sobny's there we go? Yeah. Throughout later nineteen seventy

238
00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,720
Speaker 1: five and early nineteen seventy six, Clearwater flooded with young

239
00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,920
Speaker 1: uniform scientologists. They began renovating the Church's new acquisitions downtown.

240
00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,880
Speaker 1: Their presence was strange and discomfanying for locals, since the

241
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,400
Speaker 1: newcomers refused to answer questions on who they worked for

242
00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,760
Speaker 1: and what they were doing. Hubbard himself supervised the construction

243
00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,640
Speaker 1: efforts from five miles away in a condominium complex in

244
00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,360
Speaker 1: the nearby town of Dunedin. During his few visits into

245
00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,960
Speaker 1: clear Water, he posed as a photographer. His initial plan

246
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,600
Speaker 1: was to sneak into a respected position in local society

247
00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,200
Speaker 1: by posing as a photographer, taking pictures to encourage local tourism.

248
00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,320
Speaker 1: In a letter to one member of the Guardian Office,

249
00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,600
Speaker 1: which was the chunk of the Church of Scientology aimed

250
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,160
Speaker 1: at protecting Ron Hubbard, he wrote, quote, taking pictures of

251
00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,640
Speaker 1: beautiful clear Water is the local button. My portrait of

252
00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,680
Speaker 1: the mayor will hang in the city hall. Never fear,

253
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,640
Speaker 1: okay pretentious. First of all, it's clear that he was like, well,

254
00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to live there. Find me the nerdiest

255
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,680
Speaker 1: sounding town. I gotta live in a J. R. Tolkien

256
00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,400
Speaker 1: named town. I am l Rond after all, he is

257
00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,199
Speaker 1: l Rond and Dounadin. Yeah, he's an elf who collided

258
00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,240
Speaker 1: with a space telescope. L Ron Hubble right um, which

259
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,280
Speaker 1: actually just turns out to be an orc But secondly,

260
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,880
Speaker 1: is he allowed back on land? I thought he was

261
00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,040
Speaker 1: going to get arrested. Yeah, he's not allowed. That's why

262
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 1: he's always in this guise. So he's like on the

263
00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean because I thought the boat was his sort

264
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,400
Speaker 1: of final solved evading the law. But even in this

265
00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,560
Speaker 1: late stage, he's like, I'm risking it up. He's risking

266
00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,960
Speaker 1: it now. He's he's being hidden. At this point he

267
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,000
Speaker 1: has a whole team of people. The Guardian Office is

268
00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,840
Speaker 1: just there to keep people off his bad which would

269
00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480
Speaker 1: sound silly if you hadn't just dropped the KKK episode.

270
00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:00,120
Speaker 1: Whether they're like the Exalted Cyclone King, Oh the clay like.

271
00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,520
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for l Run Hubbard, the mayor of clear Water

272
00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,040
Speaker 1: had no interest in being photographed by a strange old man.

273
00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,960
Speaker 1: He was deeply concerned with this army of anonymous invaders.

274
00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,120
Speaker 1: At one point he reached out to the United Churches

275
00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,599
Speaker 1: and said quote, I am discomfited by the increasing visibility

276
00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,840
Speaker 1: of security personnel armed with billy clubs and mace employed

277
00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,920
Speaker 1: by the United Churches of Florida. I am unable to

278
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,440
Speaker 1: understand what this degree of security is required by a

279
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,240
Speaker 1: religious organization, you see more like ufc AM. I right,

280
00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,040
Speaker 1: it's like a reasonable question. It seems like you brought

281
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,600
Speaker 1: an army to our sleepy retirement and a Catholic priest

282
00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,320
Speaker 1: walking out a cobblestone street, Like, how you doing, lads

283
00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,200
Speaker 1: just smacking a knight sting into his hand. That is discomfiting. Yeah,

284
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect that is that is the

285
00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 1: perfect word. It became clear that the Scientologist would need

286
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,920
Speaker 1: to stage reveal of their organization to the people of

287
00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,560
Speaker 1: clear Water. In early nineteen seventy six, they held a

288
00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,320
Speaker 1: meeting at the Fort Harrison Hotel, officiated by l. Run

289
00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,120
Speaker 1: Hubbard himself. He wore a beret CAFA, tigues and headphones,

290
00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,000
Speaker 1: and local religious leaders watched in wonder and confusion as

291
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,560
Speaker 1: this bizarre man presided over the setup of microphones and

292
00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,360
Speaker 1: stage managed the production of the press conference down to

293
00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,160
Speaker 1: the tiniest detail. He was introduced as Mr Hubbard, an engineer.

294
00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,880
Speaker 1: We could cut him. Why didn't they get one of

295
00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,560
Speaker 1: the one again? One of the like can through lines

296
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,040
Speaker 1: of any time you read about criminals in the seventies,

297
00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,600
Speaker 1: like the hap B. I really wasn't very good at

298
00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,400
Speaker 1: its job. I mean, you could debate whether or not

299
00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,480
Speaker 1: they still are. But everyone was kind of asleep at

300
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,120
Speaker 1: the wheel until September eleven, which you know is part

301
00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,160
Speaker 1: of why September eleventh. It's almost as if in the

302
00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,200
Speaker 1: human narrative, there's incompetence has always been with us, Yes,

303
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 1: especially if those of power. Yeah, shouldn't have been super

304
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,480
Speaker 1: hard to find out, Ron Hubert. Now five hundred local

305
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,840
Speaker 1: citizens attended the meeting, where they were shown their renovations

306
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,720
Speaker 1: downe to the Fort Harrison Hotel. Scientology representatives tried to

307
00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,240
Speaker 1: reassure them that the church was a fundamentally friendly force

308
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,360
Speaker 1: with no nefarious aims towards their town. A spokesman for

309
00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,240
Speaker 1: the church told them scientologists or people who don't drink

310
00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,119
Speaker 1: or violate laws, they are friendly and what to contribute.

311
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,200
Speaker 1: The very next day, the Church of Scientology filed a

312
00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,480
Speaker 1: one million dollar lawsuit against the mayor of clear Water,

313
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,720
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Cazares, suing him for libel, slander, and a bevy

314
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,720
Speaker 1: of civil rights violations. A few days after announcing his

315
00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,240
Speaker 1: presence in Florida and instantly suing the mayor of the town,

316
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,400
Speaker 1: oh Ron Hubbard went out to get a suit tailored

317
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,480
Speaker 1: near Dunedin. It turned out that the tailor was a

318
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240
Speaker 1: science fiction fan, and since Bron was a proud narcissist,

319
00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,880
Speaker 1: he immediately revealed his identity to the fan and told

320
00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,360
Speaker 1: him he was staying near by. The news percolated through

321
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,520
Speaker 1: the local rumor mill, and before long it was common

322
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680
Speaker 1: knowledge that the profit of Scientology was hanging out in

323
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,560
Speaker 1: Dunedin rather than clear Water. Now, at the time, there

324
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,200
Speaker 1: were numerous pending lawsuits and investigations against the church, and

325
00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,480
Speaker 1: the fact that Hubbard's location had been revealed by himself

326
00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,480
Speaker 1: made him incredibly paranoid. Within days of revealing himself to

327
00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,840
Speaker 1: clear Water, he and his entourage fled twelve hundred miles

328
00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,520
Speaker 1: north to Georgetown. Hubbard grew a beard and bought a

329
00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,240
Speaker 1: new wardrobe at from a local Salvation Army store. One

330
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,600
Speaker 1: of his aides, who had been with him during his

331
00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,280
Speaker 1: long boat journey, noted that it was strange because on

332
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,160
Speaker 1: the ship he had all these phobias about dust and

333
00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,880
Speaker 1: smells and how his clothes had to be washed, but

334
00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 1: all that vanished when we were living together in Washington.

335
00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,439
Speaker 1: Kind of massage arc for him, like he had like

336
00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,880
Speaker 1: a second religion family like secret. Yeah it man, it's

337
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,359
Speaker 1: they're just pests though, right, Like they just anytime anyone

338
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,359
Speaker 1: might be a threat, they just throw everything at him.

339
00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you then. Yeah, didn't you hear they

340
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,320
Speaker 1: throwing at everyone in any area there in before they

341
00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 1: get to know anyone. Yeah, it's how you react to

342
00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,680
Speaker 1: threats when you have infinite money and are just a lunatic.

343
00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's a sign of your own like

344
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel like from your previous episodes too. He walked

345
00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040
Speaker 1: around with a lot of darkness inside him, like there

346
00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,920
Speaker 1: are some people who I think have done horrendous things

347
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 1: and it really goes off them like water off a

348
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,359
Speaker 1: duck's back. His just sheer obsession with well, everyone's got dirt,

349
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,960
Speaker 1: everyone's got skeletons. The trick in life is just to

350
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,080
Speaker 1: find the skeletons first. That's the act of someone who's like, yeah,

351
00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 1: I have the most skeletons, so many skeletons, pre empty throwing,

352
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,080
Speaker 1: kidnapped my own baby. And if you say anything about

353
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: these skeletons, new skeletons, it's also incredible that he Uh,

354
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,440
Speaker 1: I wish I could have been there in his head

355
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,919
Speaker 1: in the moment he's leaving the Taylor's office, when it

356
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: turned from like that was nice meeting a fan. I

357
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. Hell that was real bad. Hell

358
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 1: all the all the crimes you've been committed to. Wait

359
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 1: a minute, little ron, little rock. So he grows to

360
00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: Georgetown and grows a beard like we all do at

361
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,159
Speaker 1: some point. Now, well, Hubbard hit out in Georgetown. He

362
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: continued to direct a variety of clandestine operations down in

363
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 1: clear Water. His main goal was to unseat Gabriel Kazares,

364
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 1: who had grown into a figure of almost luciferian importance

365
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,080
Speaker 1: to the scientologist portrait. He still wants that portrait. Yeah,

366
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 1: they were really worried about his moderate concern about them

367
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,120
Speaker 1: taking over his town with a paramilitary security force. According

368
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 1: to the book Bear Face Messiah Quote, Scientologist had gone

369
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 1: back to his hometown of Alpine, Texas, tralled through public records,

370
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 1: nosed around the courthouse, and even checked the headstones in

371
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 1: the local graveyard without success. But then it was disclosed

372
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,959
Speaker 1: that Kazars would be attending the National Mayor's Conference in

373
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 1: Washington from eleven or thirteen to seventeenth March, and the

374
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,399
Speaker 1: Guardians Office made hasty plans to give him a welcome.

375
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 1: A scientologist posing as a Washington reporter sought an interview

376
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 1: with Kazars and introduced him to a friend, Sharon Thomas,

377
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 1: who offered to show the mayor the sites of Washington.

378
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 1: Miss Thomas was, of course working for the Guardians Office.

379
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 1: Dragging with the mayor through scenic Rock Creek Park, she

380
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 1: temporarily lost control of her car and ran into a pedestrian,

381
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 1: who crumpled dramatically. To the mayor's horror, Miss Thomas accelerated

382
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: away without stopping, leaving the injured man lying on the road.

383
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,919
Speaker 1: Is the injured man also a played He's a science

384
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 1: everyone involved as a scientologist, but the mayor. So this

385
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: is like a play for Noah. It's like in the

386
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 1: Sensus when they put on a play to convince mister

387
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 1: Burns to fund the school or some ship, like yeah,

388
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if they rehearsed. They must have, and and

389
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: it's all for his him. He had a team always

390
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 1: practicing to fake a hit and run, just because he

391
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: knew at some point, I'm gonna need this, so I'm

392
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna want to be in those morning production meetings we're

393
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: just right. He was talking last night about not feeling

394
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: like so great when he's like, he's not tall, so

395
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 1: can we just like let's build his platform make him

396
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 1: taller for our shortest people. They I want to see

397
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: the scenes that they rehearsed that were cut, Like, okay,

398
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: in case the mayor gets carried off by a giant

399
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: bird of prey, we have this great scene worked out.

400
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: It never happened. It just like slays State on the

401
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: cutting room floor. Yeah, with the probably that's what I get.

402
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: The acting connection though, that makes sense. They had to

403
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of improving at Thomas Cruise. Yeah, that

404
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,239
Speaker 1: was his first role. Now, the plan was to use

405
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: this hit and run to discredit the mayor. A Guardians

406
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: office memo noted, I should think the mayor's political days

407
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 1: are at an end. Of course, a fake hit and

408
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: run committed by someone else did not have the derailing

409
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 1: effect on the mayor's career that the Guardian's office at home.

410
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: But Hubbwood was ready the same day with another plan

411
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: to try and convince Miami's Cuban population that the mayor

412
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: of Clearwater was pro castro. So like most of l.

413
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard's hairbrain schemes. This one did not bear fruit.

414
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: The commodore cooked up ideas like I Hop Cook's pancakes

415
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: poorly and constantly, but all of his schemes were not

416
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 1: half asked. And while all this was going on, the

417
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: Church of Scientology was deep in the middle of the

418
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: most ambitious scheme of its history to date, Operation snow White.

419
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: November nine, nineteen seventy five, an agent of the Church,

420
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: code named Silver, walked into the Internal Revenue Service headquarters

421
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. He entered the office of Attorney

422
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: Charles Zubran, although he had no legal right to be there,

423
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: and began taking documents. He made copies of hundreds of

424
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: confidential tax documents and then walked out the door with them.

425
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: Like the purchase of the Fort Harrison Hotel, this was

426
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: done under the express orders of l. Ron Hubbard. The

427
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 1: genesis of snow White had come in nineteen seventy three,

428
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: whilst Hubbard and his Sea Org were still trawling international waters.

429
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: Multiple nations refused to let the Scientologist dock at their ports,

430
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: and l. Ron Hubbard decided this was due to a

431
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: worldwide conspiracy to discredit his church, rather than its numerous

432
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: numerous crimes. He assholecy I'm gonna dress up like Spider Man,

433
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: and ruined his good name. Hubbard tasks Scientology's investigative arm,

434
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: the Guardian Office, with countering this false information. The name

435
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: snow White was picked because Hubbard claimed the government's case

436
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: against him was, in essence, a fable. Now call it

437
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: Operation Fable. That's way cooler. Well he went with snow White.

438
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: Under the direction of his wife, Mary Hubbard. Operations snow

439
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: White would grow into a sprawling infiltration of the US

440
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: federal government at every level. Agent Silver's theft of I

441
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: R S documents was just one part of the scheme.

442
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: Agent Silver was really I R S Clerk Gerald Wolfe,

443
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: and in that capacity he was able to steal more

444
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: than thirty thousand pages worth of documents. By the beginning

445
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy five, the Church had actually succeeded in

446
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: the play, seeing agents inside the I R S, the U. S.

447
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Coast Guard, and the d E A. Now, this scheme

448
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: was executed entirely by agents of the Guardian Office. They

449
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: were trained to lie, or in Scientology terms, outflow false

450
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: data in order to worm their way into these federal organizations.

451
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: That's a good synonym for life, wrapping my head, synergize

452
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: the dishonesty. Also, your name is already wolf, agent Wolf,

453
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: was silver Wolf or I don't know silver Wolf, agent

454
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: silver Wolf? Red Fox? No, that was an agent Red Fox.

455
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: Why he's got a filthy sense of humor, but he

456
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: gets shipped done. Speaking of fables, you know what's not

457
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: a fable? Products your heart? Your heart, So in this man,

458
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: they're very you know what I don't need to go

459
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: to see. I throw the bagels that come right back

460
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: to me. Those are some products. Yeah, the services are real,

461
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: but we are real. The throwing bagels are real. My

462
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: current throwing bagels are everything bagels, kettle boiled and health baked,

463
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: sliced the bagel that won the West, and they're bruising badly,

464
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: which I didn't think bagels were supposed to do. The

465
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: bagel that won the West? Did? They did these wipe

466
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: out the Cherokee bagels? They're everything, so they're definitely genocide.

467
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: Plus I guess everything else that's not cool. Thousands of

468
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: American bison died with those bagels embedded in their skulls. Sophie,

469
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: I want bagels that didn't commit genocide. Yeah. Fair. Also,

470
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: these expired February, so I want fresh throwing bagels. Actually

471
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: the expired ones work a little bit better. So check

472
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: out these ads. We're back. I shouldn't have come back

473
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: when I was eating. Well, you fully control when you

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: come back, so that was your choice and you can

475
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: with it. That's number three for those keeping track. I

476
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: hit some equipment with that one, but Daniel says it's fine.

477
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: We've returned from examining the ads, examined antiquated woodworking tool,

478
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: and I, for one, will purchase one delicious products or services.

479
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: Now what's not delicious is the throwing bagels that apparently

480
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: are genocide bagels. I think they're genocide bagel. I would

481
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: like to apologize two genocide victims for throwing genocide bagel.

482
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of words in my time on

483
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: this earth. I've never heard the combination tasty, genocide. I mean,

484
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't eat bagels. I just throw them,

485
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: so I don't know if they're tasty. I can say

486
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: these are the bountiest of the bagels, So you're not

487
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: even vouching for these bagels as edible. That's why they're

488
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: throwing all right. I assume they're a throwing bagel could

489
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: sort of retire and end its life in my little mouth?

490
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: Is that not a possible I'm not gonna say you can't,

491
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: but that's not their purpose. They're everything bagel, so you

492
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: can do anything. Wisdom that's bagel is by everything now,

493
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: including genocide. Yes, unfortunately, I guess yeah, they really are. Well,

494
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: if the bagel's everything, it's all good and all it's

495
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: it's all on there. That bagel both invented the seat

496
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: belt and killed John bon A Ramsey and everything and

497
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: is the spirit of Christmas, and is the spirit of

498
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Christmas as well as the spirit of St. Louis. And

499
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: is that right? Wayne college kid who led the campaign

500
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: against wearing seat belts and died in an accident that

501
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: he would have lived through if he had worn his seatbelt.

502
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: It's all in the bagel, people, We've gotten to invest

503
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: in the philosophy of what an everything bagel is. The

504
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: cream cheese is hitler. I don't ask why it's always

505
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: been that way. I don't. I think we can all

506
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: agree on all. Right, let's get back to Ron Hubbard's life.

507
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: A little bit of bagel. It's a little bit of Bagel.

508
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: So the Guardian Office agents were infiltrating, you know, all

509
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: all these federal agencies, the the i r S, the

510
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: d e A, the Coast Guard. Much of the data gathered,

511
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: like the i r S files copied by agents silver

512
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: was collected in order to help the church deal with

513
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: its mountain of pending audits. At this point, it was

514
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: not a religious institution in the legal sense of the word,

515
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: but it was still refusing to pay taxes, so the

516
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: I r S was not super happy. So it still

517
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: had not secured the religious exemptions. No, that wasn't until

518
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: much later. Now. The Guardians Office also used their connections

519
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Government to dig up dirt on

520
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: their political enemies, particularly journalists who dared to write about them.

521
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: According to the l A Times quote, the Guardian Office

522
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: saved the worst for author Paul Atte Cooper of New

523
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: York City, who scathing nineteen seventy two book The Scandal

524
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: of Scientology pushed her to the top of the Church's

525
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: roster of enemies. Among other things, Cooper was framed on

526
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: criminal charges by the Guardian Office members who obtained stationary

527
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: she had touched and then use it to forge bomb

528
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: threats to the church and her name. You're like the Nazis,

529
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: are the Arabs. I'll bomb you, I'll kill you. Warn't

530
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: one of the rambling letters. The church reported these threats

531
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: to the FBI and sent the fury of the bureau

532
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: crashing down on poor Paul at Cooper. She was indicted

533
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: by a grand jury for making bomb threats and for

534
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: lying under oath about having made the bomb threats. The

535
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: truth did eventually come out, but it took two years

536
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: and cost Paul at twenty dollars in legal fees and

537
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars in psychiatric treatment. Now Hubbard actually hated

538
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Paul that enough that he had the Guardian's office dedicated

539
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: an entire operation to destroying her, code named freak out.

540
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: I found an article where she recites a small list

541
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: of the things they did before reporting those fake bomb

542
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: threats to the FBI. What are you doing today, honey?

543
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: We're destroying this one woman. We're destroying this lady. She

544
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: wrote a book. Yeah, we're in Q two. I'm hoping

545
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: by Q four she'll be comtemplating side. You know, that's

546
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: the goal. You know, we all get a bonus if

547
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: it happens before Q four. Did the agents who infiltrated

548
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the I R s of the time have to just

549
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: keep up their cover by dealing in sex returns? I

550
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: want to know if a scientologist operative effort just processed

551
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: my taxes by chance. Well, now, if you were filing

552
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: taxes in the late seventies, yeah, maybe, yeah, that's I

553
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: have a very bad tax cheat, which is I've been

554
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: filing taxes since before I was born. I'm hoping it'll

555
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: pay off. I'm gonna stop paying taxes. H here's Paul

556
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: at Cooper quote. I soon got used to telephone death threats,

557
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: harassing calls in lawsuits, and was occasionally followed, often conspicuously,

558
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: as if to upset me, and people seemed to be

559
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: trying to gain access to my apartment. Then, in the

560
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: basement of my small building, I discovered alligator clips on

561
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: my phone wires, likely the remnants of a phone tap. Next,

562
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: my cousin, who was also short and slim like me,

563
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: was in my apartment alone when a man arrived with

564
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: a flower delivery for me. When she opened the door,

565
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: the intruder pulled a gun out of the flowers and

566
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: put it to her temple. Fortunately, the gun jammed misfired

567
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: or was empty. The man then began to choke her,

568
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: and then when she pulled away and screamed, he ran off.

569
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: The police said afterward that they were mystified because there

570
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: appeared to be no motive for the attack. I quickly

571
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: moved to a safer Dorman building, but soon afterwards three

572
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: d of my new neighbors received an anonymous smear letter

573
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: about me, outrageously described me as a part time prostitute

574
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: with thenereal disease. They really showed control with the part

575
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: time though. They're like, not a full time, Yeah, that's

576
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: like that. You know. The reason why they choose part

577
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: time too is that they're like, she can't even be

578
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: a full prostitute. That's a different way to take it,

579
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: but you know it's the one they took. Yeah. Yet, yeah,

580
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: she can't. She can't entirely subsist off of that, so

581
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: she's got to do the writing books about scientology. Thing

582
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: is an off game. It's just worse lies and worse lies. Yeah. Now,

583
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: much as I do love talking about the wacky schemes

584
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: about Run Hubbard, it's important to remember that for every botched,

585
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: fake hit and run, which is just genuinely whimsical and funny.

586
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: Someone like Paultte Cooper was subjected to insane, almost unimaginable

587
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: torment for the crime of writing a book that anger run. Well,

588
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it seems like it might have been actually just a

589
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: torture technique, like where they were never planning to shoot her,

590
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: but like that's a thing that you'll do. Like I

591
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: talked to someone who was in an Iranian prison and

592
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: tortured for a while, and fake executions were a common thing.

593
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: The c I ated it too with people captured in Iraq,

594
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: where you put a gun to their head and pull

595
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the trigger but it's not loaded, because like that just

596
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: really fucks with people, I guess because he went on

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: to Choker and it makes you imagine like he really

598
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: was sent a killer, but a jam is also pretty unlikely. Yeah,

599
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: like as a torture rehearsal, like like just just to

600
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: fuck her up. Yeah yeah, like like yeah, they'll execute

601
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: a prisoner of war with a son that has no

602
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: bullets to be psychologically now yeah. Now. Meanwhile, back in

603
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Operation snow White, over the months and year, Scientology spies

604
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: had made their way into the Department of Justice, placing

605
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: an operative as the secretary to an assistant U S

606
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: attorney who handled them mountain of Foyer requests filed by

607
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: the Church Freedom of Information Act requests. This was the

608
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: surface legitimate goal of operations snow White. Hubbard framed it

609
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: as a perfectly legal blizzard of freedom of information requests

610
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: aimed to trying to figure out just why so many

611
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: people thought the Church of Scientology was an nefarious entity. Now,

612
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm usually pro foia like has been a

613
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: force for good mostly yep, not not in this case. So,

614
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: because many of these Foyer requests pertained to records that

615
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: were critical and ongoing investigations into the church's rampant criminal activity,

616
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: the church would be denied the right to see them,

617
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: which is, you know, part of how foy it works.

618
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: The church's man in the justice department would be able

619
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: to like know when they were like okay with the

620
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: request of this document its being denied, and so he

621
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: would get a copy of the document they were getting

622
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: denied and then smuggled them out to church authorities. So

623
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: this is why they were placed. Everyone was on Yeah,

624
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: exactly now. The I R. S was l Ron Hubbard's

625
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: greatest nemesis outside of the concept of psychiatry, and they

626
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: were where his guardian office focused most of its efforts.

627
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: At one point, an office operative managed to bug an

628
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: i r S conference room by wiring or a quarter

629
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: into a wall socket that allowed him to listen in

630
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: on agency meetings via his car's FM radio. And another

631
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: point to scientologists use their faked i RS credentials to

632
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: get inside government archives and photocopy documents related to the Church. Now,

633
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: the head of operations snow White was again Mary Sue Hubbard,

634
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: and when it all came crashing down spoiler, she is

635
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: the one who would take legal blame. But basically everyone

636
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: who has studied the Church or Hubbard agrees that he

637
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: was the center of the whole conspiracy. Yeah, it's almost

638
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: like people who are scared that everything is conspiracy make conspiracy,

639
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: do nothing but create conspiracies because the worldview and it's

640
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: it seems like every everything is the mafia, like like

641
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: everything works like the right, it's the same. You just

642
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: shift the blank to down persons sep the you know,

643
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: concept of the lieutenants or made men kind of stuff.

644
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Avon's in the clink for a year, but we got

645
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: a stringer on the outside and he can run messages

646
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: to wive a whatever you need. Yeah, and in in

647
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: In l Ron Hubbard's case, he's he's Avon Barksdale. I

648
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: guess ever, he never spends time in a Yeah, because

649
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: he's a mythical. He's more of a mythic figure. Yeah.

650
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I do think this is also the first time I've

651
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: heard of spy work that is too boring to contemplate doing.

652
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: God like, do you want to be a spy? Yeah, dude, Okay,

653
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: go into this I r S office and install a bug.

654
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool. Now, sit in a van and

655
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: listen to what I r S people say all day,

656
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: drive around listening to the I r S radio. Are

657
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: we cops kind of the opposite of cops? New cops,

658
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: spock cops backwards? I don't know, spot cops, but that's

659
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: not how that works the cops. Yes, it is cop

660
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: cops backward. Or because there's the logical I've always said

661
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: that that commander spot is the opposite of a coup. Yeah,

662
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: you know why the blue uniform. No, that doesn't prosper.

663
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the fun. Yeah. I really didn't have

664
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: anything there. You're just I was somebody point past that ball.

665
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: Somebody comedy. Now, yeah, and we failed you for your

666
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: badge and guns. Right back at my feet number four.

667
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I hate the genocide they were complicit in,

668
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: but they're damn good to shove up. Throwing bagels really

669
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: good through the bagels, fred and slip shoving bagels, those

670
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: are different bagels. You need a little or bagel. Most

671
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: orifices are small bagel bites. Yea good for show. I

672
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: put bagel bites. Throwing bagels can be big. Shoving bagels

673
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: need to be small enough to fit in most holes,

674
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to just kind of ease in there. Calling the old fashioned.

675
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: But I like just a good old fashioned walking bagel,

676
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: a little walk around town, just you can grab on it,

677
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: not got too much on the outside. That's a good

678
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: walking bagel. Back to evil. I was ready to shoving

679
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: bagels more because you know, if it's bagel bites, they

680
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: make their own loop, do they? Now? Back to scientology

681
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: bagel bites. Michael Meisner. Michael Meisner, who was the fake

682
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: victim of the fake hit and run aimed at destroying

683
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: the mayor of clear Water, was also a major part

684
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: of Operations Snow White. He personally broke into the Department

685
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: of Justice several times and organized the copying of tens

686
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: of thousands of secret files. Under Meisner's direction, decoding equipment

687
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: was installed to provide direct secure communication between church headquarters

688
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: in the clear Water and the Guardians office in Los Angeles.

689
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: After Virginia oh Ron, Hubbard himself wound up hiding next

690
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: on Overland Avenue in Culver City, California. Literally, Yeah, that

691
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: was about a block away from my first home in

692
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Yeah, that's where Hubbard hit after he decided

693
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: he'd spent too much time in Georgetown. He had to

694
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: get out of the East Coast. Yeah. So, in mid

695
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, with operations snow White at its height

696
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and Hubbard living in his third undisclosed location since returning

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: to dry Land a year ago, Mary Sue Hubbard finally

698
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: joined back up with her husband to warn him about

699
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: some major problems not related to the fact that they

700
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: were conducting the largest infiltration of the federal government in

701
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: US history. See It turns out that living on a

702
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: series of boats and searching for gold for like a

703
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: decade committing a vast and dizzy and create a financial

704
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: crime spying on the government. Living in a series of

705
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: safe houses is kind of bad for someone's family life.

706
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: He blew up those imaginary submarines. Yeah he did, he

707
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: did sub yeah, yeah, claiming it and then the racist

708
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: guy do it too. Yes, Yes, they made the same lie.

709
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: So it's almost like there's a it's a continuity of

710
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: liars and like be wanting to be awesome and making

711
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: your own you know that song everybody wants to rule

712
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: the world. It's like that, but with blowing up a

713
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Japanese somewhere. Yeah, it's like cred in those circles. Yeah,

714
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: uh so. Yeah. The things were not great with the

715
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: Hubbard family at this point in time. His daughter Diana's

716
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: marriage was falling apart, his son Quentin was ostensibly in

717
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: the Sea York, but was constantly out of pocket and

718
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: battling crippling depression, and worst of all, l run Hubbard's

719
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: daughter Suzette was dating non scientologists. Now, Mary Sue suggested

720
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: that all of these problems could be solved by providing

721
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: the family with a little bit more stability. So, using

722
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: some of the church is literally infinite funds, they bought

723
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: a gigantic compound in southern California named La Quinto. The

724
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: family moved in that October. For a while, all was well.

725
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: The Commodore's messengers noted that he seemed to be much

726
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: more relaxed and happier after moving into his new ranch.

727
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: This did not last long. On Wednesday, November sevent nineteen

728
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: seventy six, Hubbard received dire news his son Quentin had

729
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: been found dead in his car in Las Vegas, the

730
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: victim of a successful suicide. Mary Sue wept. L Ron

731
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Hubbard screamed, that stupid fucking kid. That's stupid fucking kid.

732
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: Look at what he's done to me. Who yeah, what

733
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: happened to blame in the Thetan's dude, Like he should

734
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: fall to his knees and go yeah yeah, according to

735
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: bare Face Messiah quote. The Guardians Office, meanwhile, had moved

736
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: swiftly to handle the situation. It's local representative in Las

737
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Vegas was a pit boss at the Sands Hotel by

738
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: the name of Ed Walters. I had been working as

739
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: a covert operator for about eight years, he said. I

740
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: had secretly tape recorded a psychiatrist and got him to

741
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: talk about lobotomies to try and discredit him, and I

742
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: had bugged the meetings of the Clark County Mental Health Association,

743
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: things like that I worked on anything that work considered

744
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: to be a threat to the Hubbards. Who's he saying

745
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: this too? This is what he said to the author

746
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: of Bare Face Messiah. Okay, so you he presumably got

747
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: he left the church at some point. He was just

748
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: a classic casino pit boss slash spy for the Church

749
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: of Scientology right here, So what info is he getting?

750
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: Like stuff like this? They want dirt on a psychiatrist.

751
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: So he gets this guy drunk and bugs him talking

752
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: about committing loboties. Yeah, yes, yeah, are pretty cool. We

753
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: should do more. And another good ass day for Ed Walters.

754
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: Uh So anyway, this is Walters again. Quote. When they

755
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: found out Quentin was here, I was told to get

756
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: ahold of all of his medical files. There was apparently

757
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: evidence that he had had a homosexual encounter shortly before

758
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: he was found, and they didn't want anything like that

759
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: to get out. There was a girl scientologist working in

760
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: the hospital in a very secure position, and she got

761
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: all the reports on Quentin and gave them to me,

762
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: and I handed them over to the guardians office. Quentin

763
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: was cremated the next day. Those who knew him suggest

764
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: that he probably just wanted out of scientology but couldn't

765
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: think of a way to do so without ending his

766
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: own life. According to Ed Walters, you don't just leave

767
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: something like scientology. You quit and then instantly become an enemy.

768
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: He knew his father violently attacked anyone who betrayed him,

769
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: and he knew that the Guardian's Office would be after

770
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: him as a traitor. He had grown up in scientology

771
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: and would have been tremendously afraid of the world out there,

772
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: full of wogs and evil people. I guess he just

773
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it. Now. L Ron Harvard probably would he

774
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: yelled the same thing if he had less scientology instead

775
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: of killing What has he done to me? Yeah? What

776
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: has he done to me? It's one of those things.

777
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: It's crazy because like, of course they have some people

778
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: in Vegas, like He's like they have this pit boss

779
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and they have like a lady working at

780
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: a hospital. But like, I feel like at this point

781
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that at this point in the

782
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Church's history, they have people like that in pretty much

783
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: every city. Yeah, they've They've they've got scientologists scattered around

784
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: who they can trust to like, Yeah, we need you

785
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: to get some pull some medical records for us. We

786
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: need you to bug this conversation. We need you to

787
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: get this guy waste or whatever. That's almost the more

788
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: baffling part, because I can I can wrap my head

789
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: around the concept of crazy people doing crazy stuff because

790
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: they want to be awesome. Um, but the fact that

791
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: they convince in mass all these people of different walks

792
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: of life that are applicable in the way of like,

793
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: oh I can get I can get information from them,

794
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: Like that's just what is that demographic? Well, you've got

795
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: to keep in mind one of the things he's saying

796
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: at this point in time, this is, you know, the

797
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: Cold War is pretty ornery in like the late seventies.

798
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: This is not that long before Red Dawn comes out,

799
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: So people fears high, fear is high Outron Hubbard. One

800
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: of the ways he's billing scientology is like this is

801
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the tech, which is like his term for their their

802
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: religious stuff, that this is what's going to save the world.

803
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: This is what's going to like make a nuclear war possible.

804
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: So like all of you are like as as like

805
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: the guardians of this sacred knowledge that I've brought from space.

806
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: All of you are like integral in saving the world.

807
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: So these people like view themselves as secret agents, you know,

808
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: for in the cause of of the salvation of humanity.

809
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Which if you're just like a hit boss or a

810
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: lady work in mid level position at a hospital and

811
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: you want some excitement in your line, it's cool, right,

812
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: Like you get to be a secret spy bug these

813
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: evil psychiatrists or whatever. Also ironic that the only place

814
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: he didn't befoul with horrendous crimes is space. Like that

815
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: that's the only place he's innocent. He totally got the underground.

816
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: He did try to. He wrote letters to NASA saying

817
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: that like, you're not going to get into space without

818
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: our help. That's what I mentioned. It is, I bet

819
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: your bottom, but that this is a guy who genuinely

820
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go to space. I mean I used to

821
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: read his sci fi books because I read it, all

822
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: sci fi books, and it was genuine. He loves space,

823
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: He loves him and space. We're all grateful that he

824
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: didn't make it there. No, it didn't need Ron Hubbard.

825
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: You know what else doesn't need ol Ron Hubbard. The

826
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: wonderful products and Services that supports the show with their

827
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: advertising dollars. Why would they They're fully actualized. They're fully actualized.

828
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: I've heard about these, these services and the products. All right, well,

829
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: let's all here about them some more. We're back. Yeah.

830
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: I want to be clear here. When I quoted a

831
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Mr Walters earlier, he said that a Roun Hubbard's son

832
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: was scared of a world filled with wogs and evil people. Now,

833
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: my Australian listeners will note that the word wog is

834
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: a racial slur in that country, but it also has

835
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: a totally separate meaning in scientology, so Walters was not

836
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: being racist against anyone there. Run Hubbard used the term

837
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: woggs to refer to normal people who are not members

838
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: of his Sweet Ass Space cult. He to find a

839
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: wog as quote, yeah it is, and it's yeah, Hubbard said,

840
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: a wog is quote a common everyday garden variety humanoid.

841
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: He is a body, he doesn't know he's here, et cetera.

842
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: He isn't there as a spirit at all. He is

843
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: not operating as a theting. He's such a special boy.

844
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: He's not a special operating as a theme. Yeah. I

845
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: still don't even because I thought you're trying to get

846
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: rid of the theme well, but you are a thetan too, right,

847
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I think, so you're not operating, you don't realize you're

848
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: a space ghost and try to inside a meat sock. Yeah,

849
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: there's good things and there's cheating things. And you're saying

850
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: they had locations all across the US at this time.

851
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're fucking everywhere. Man. Sounds like there's space

852
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: ghost coast to coast. All right, Well, the episodes over that,

853
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: that that jokes, we needed see you guys next week.

854
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we prewrote that. We're all scientology. We talked about. Hey,

855
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't an actor. That might have been Tom Cruise.

856
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Probably not, uh, definitely not. Shouldn't be slandering a rich millionaire.

857
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: He also runs too fast to ever believably be hit

858
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: by a car, as I just wouldn't buy it. I

859
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: also think if he if he came after you wanting

860
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: to kill you, he'd probably do the job. Oh yeah,

861
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Tom Cruise could very easily been a

862
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Special Forces guy or a murderer for higher. I mean,

863
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that with his off money,

864
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: he just has like a compound where he learns martial arts,

865
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: where he learns how to destroy things. So you were

866
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: worried about the legal ramifications of slandering him by saying

867
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: he might have been that guy, But you immediately also

868
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: want to say it's probably good at murdering. I mean,

869
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: I think I think he would be the first to

870
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: admit that he would be hypothetically a great murderer. When

871
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: you talk to guys who like do like train Hollywood

872
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: actors for gun stuff, the two people they note is

873
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: being like they these guys don't really need any help

874
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: is Tom Cruise, And he had to shoot guns. And

875
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: if you see him behind the scenes, he just tries hard. Yeah,

876
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: he works, really trying hard. Yeah, he's a great guy. Now,

877
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: you remember those two Scientology agents who orchestrated the Department

878
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: of Justice breaking back in seventy six. Well after eleven

879
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: months on the LAMB in early nineteen seventy seven, one

880
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: of them broke and became an informant to the FBI.

881
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: The b had been on his case for the break in,

882
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: but the full story of the church's infiltration of the U.

883
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: S Government was complete news to them. They opened a

884
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: massive investigation into scientology sweeping infiltration of the United States government.

885
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: The investigation would culminate In a June nineteen seventy seven

886
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: raid that is still one of the largest raids in

887
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: the history of the FBI, a hundred and thirty four

888
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: agents with crowbars and sledgehammers tour through Scientology, HQ, and

889
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: d C, as well as their offices in Los Angeles.

890
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: They carted away tens of thousands of documents, including the

891
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: plans for Project Normandy, revealing the church's secret goal to

892
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: establish area control in the city of clear Water. The

893
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: resulting court case led to eleven scientologists, including l Ron

894
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Hubbard's wife, Mary Sue, being convicted and sentenced to up

895
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: to five years in federal prison. L Ron Hubbard was

896
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: named by the grand jury as an unindicted co conspirator,

897
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: a term we all know very well now, but the

898
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: c's files did not link him directly to any crimes.

899
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: He maintained his innocence up until the very end. According

900
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: to the Justice Department quote, the crime committed by these

901
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: defendants is of a breadth and scope previously unheard of.

902
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: No business office, desk or file was say from their

903
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from

904
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were

905
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: miniature transmitters, lock pick secret codes, forged credentials in any

906
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes.

907
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: By the way, it's worth noting that while this is

908
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: happening at the height of the Cold War, the Soviet

909
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: government never managed to infiltrate the United States and nearly

910
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: as comprehensive or extensive a fashion as the Church of

911
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: Scientology did. It seems like they should have been trying

912
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: to infiltrate the Church of Science. It's like talk that

913
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: people who really are making progress. Now, those are the

914
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: facts of the cases. They exist in reality, but they

915
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: are not the facts of the cases admitted by the

916
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: Church of Scientology. And the immediate aftermath of the raid,

917
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: they accused the FBI of Gestapo like brutality, which should

918
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: be true if the Gestapo handed out five year sentences

919
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: from massive and sweeping infiltrations of the Third Reich. Rather

920
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: than just shooting people, they had crowbars. Uh. The Stand

921
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: League builds itself as an advocacy group of scientologists fighting

922
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: bigotry against their religion. The name is an acronym for

923
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: scientologists taking action against discrimination. You have to use the

924
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: inn and against for the acronym, which isn't really great acronym.

925
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: We all we all cut corners now and again. I

926
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: used expired throwing bagels like nobody's perfect. I found an

927
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: article published on the stand League's website about the snow

928
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: White Program. Here's how they describe it. The snow White

929
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: program refers to the program written by Scientology founder el

930
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard in nineteen seventy three for the purpose of

931
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: legally correcting and expunging the plethora of false government reports

932
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: about the Church of Scientology it's leaders and members through

933
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: strictly legal means. Legal twice pss. Think about the word

934
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: legal and think of me. Yeah. The stand League asserts

935
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: that el Ron Hubbard did not remotely contemplate anything illegal,

936
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: of course not who famous law follower l Ron Hubbard. Who. Yeah,

937
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get back on my boat now, I'm gonna

938
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: kidnap my baby again. Oh my wife though, damn it sucks?

939
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: How she sucks? Yeah? Yeah, that's rough. Now it is

940
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: impossible to disprove that to a point of certainty, which

941
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: is why Ron Hubbard himself was never convicted of in anything.

942
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: But I want to emphasize this. Come the funk on.

943
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: We all know all of this is known information. It's true.

944
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: Now we're not done with the story of aut Ron

945
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Hubbard yet. And in our next episode, which I'm very

946
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: excited for, we're going to talk about the last phase

947
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: of his life where he became an autur filmmaker and

948
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: a singer. Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell you believe l H.

949
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't even Battlefield Earth. Oh yeah, buddy, does it

950
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: involve Battlefield Yeah? What a juicy treat. At the end

951
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: of so many people come on the show and at

952
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: some point in the hour ago, Yeah, this has been

953
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: really depressing. Thanks for having me. I feel like you

954
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: got all the sad stuff out of the way. I mean,

955
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: that's been sad. Ship. But man, the next one is

956
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: going to be a tree. It is to be a treat.

957
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: But before we closed this episode out, I'd like to

958
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the town of Clearwater, Florida. Now,

959
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: the Fort Harrison Hotel was renamed by the Church of

960
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: Scientology to flag Land Base. After renovations were finished, it

961
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: became and is today the chief training center for scientologists

962
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: studying the highest levels of whatever the hell scientology is.

963
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty three, Scientologists have died at Flag Base.

964
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: One of those dead was a young woman named Lisa McPherson,

965
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: who died of a blood clot caused by dehydration and

966
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: bedrest after seventeen days locked in Room one seventy four

967
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: of the former hotels. Josephus Hevine was found dead in

968
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: a bathtub in his room. The water was hot enough

969
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: to have burned his skin off. The official cause of

970
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: death was drowning, but the coroner noted that he was

971
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: found with his head above the waterline. Herbert Faff died

972
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: of a seizure in the hotel after he ceased taking

973
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: his seizure medication in favor of a Scientology approved vitamin program.

974
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: And this is the hotel from the shining you're describing

975
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: what they turned this building into. Go in room one,

976
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: don't alone. The clear Water Police received a hundred and

977
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: sixty emergency calls from Flag Base, at no point where

978
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: they allowed to enter. For most of Scientology history, the

979
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: church was in constant arrears for failure to pay state

980
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: and local property taxes. Scientology was brought to court numerous

981
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: times by the city and the I R S for this.

982
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: Luckily for the church, they eventually succeeded in having Scientology

983
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: to cleared a religion, which granted them tax exempt status.

984
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: The way they did this was pretty fascinating. They basically

985
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: bombarded the i r S as an organization and individual

986
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: I r S executives with lawsuits until they got their way.

987
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: We'll probably talk about in that in the tail in

988
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: the later episode. According to a recent report in the

989
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times, the Church of Scientology currently owns more

990
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: than two hundred and sixty million dollars in property in

991
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: downtown clear Water. Most of these buildings are empty and undeveloped,

992
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: and many in clear Water blamed the church for the

993
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: fact that downtown clear Water has remained incredibly underdeveloped compared

994
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: to downtown St. Petersburg in Tampa. The church is able

995
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: to exercise a huge amount of control over the city

996
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: of clear Water due to their ownership of much of

997
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: its downtown area and then economic power of their religion.

998
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: According to f s U News quote, Scientology leader David

999
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: miss Kevige introduced a retails energy to Clearwaters Community Redevelopment Agency.

1000
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: The plan requires use of not just property owned by

1001
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: the church, but it also every property and a three

1002
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: block by four block area that encompasses all of downtown.

1003
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: The plan involves attracting a few major retail brands and

1004
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: then filling open spaces with handpicked businesses, similar to an

1005
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: outdoor mall. The proposal will give the church total control

1006
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: over the downtown area in regards to development and management

1007
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: of properties. The church's redevelopment plan has not yet been

1008
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: made public, nor will it be subject to a vote. Cool,

1009
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: why do you need that? Like? Why, I don't understand

1010
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: what the area there? He's like, this church is important

1011
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: to me. I made trillions of dollars, but I need

1012
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: area control. What's area control? Well, I want to decide

1013
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: if there's a Sparrows or you know, an old spahetti

1014
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: factory there, and wanted to be what I wanted to be.

1015
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: This is who gives a ship, dude. This is the

1016
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: decision of his predecessor. Because for l Run Hubbard taking

1017
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: over this town which the church controls, like forty years

1018
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: later today, this was like a two week project for him,

1019
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: like he was he was there for like a month

1020
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: or so. We're on himself and ever spent more than

1021
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: a couple of days actually inside the city limits of

1022
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: clear Water. Like they still control this and it was

1023
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: just sort of a vague plan of his for a

1024
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before he moved up to Georgetown. That's

1025
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: I like it. Take it with these figures. Yeah, like, uh,

1026
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: the entire sea organ is just like whatever he said,

1027
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: what what beautiful drippings came out of his horrible mom

1028
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: We need to make that a religion because there's only

1029
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: so much that he said. I mean, he settled up,

1030
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: but it's like there's still people in clear Water who

1031
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: have to deal with the consequences of l Ron Hubbard's

1032
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: passing fancy right every day. Well, I guess we have

1033
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: to justify this ship. How so kind of want to

1034
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: go there now because I didn't know there existed like

1035
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: a company town for scientology. Yeah, where I got to

1036
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: imagine because they're freaking annoying to be around. They must

1037
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: have pushed out anyone who had an easy opportunity to

1038
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: leave or felt like so by now forty years later.

1039
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: I just want to go to a town where you're

1040
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: like and everyone around you as a scientologist at all

1041
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: time or another person gawking at all the scot I wonder,

1042
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's ever at the time like like

1043
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: he would listen to music or like it was really

1044
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: in the stand up comedian and would like watch it

1045
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then everyone was like, I guess that's

1046
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: another god amongst us. You get the feeling from out

1047
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: on Hubbard that he did not consume a lot of

1048
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: other people's media, right, that's probably true. Yeah, we will

1049
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: be talking about Star Wars a little bit in the

1050
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: next time. I can't wait. This is gonna be It

1051
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be great. But first, you know what else

1052
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: is going to be great? What is y'all plugging your pluggables? Yeah? Yeah,

1053
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: we're in the pi zo. I thought that's the pizza zone.

1054
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: What's the cookie with that? That's a pazuki the pi

1055
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Zone and will blast you with the pua full of Pazuki's. Alright, guys,

1056
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: we have things we do throwing bagels around the table. Man,

1057
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: you're under the bagels now. My associate ape here and

1058
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I have a little outfit called small Beans. It's a

1059
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: podcasting network and is about to branch into web video

1060
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: and uh, I think it's very important that you find

1061
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: out more about that Patreon dot com, slash small beans,

1062
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: or on the small beans YouTube channel, because we're right

1063
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: now in the process of producing a little show wherefore

1064
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: friends sit around analyzing pop culture, accompanied by illustrations and

1065
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: clip packages. And there's a good chance that a lot

1066
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: of your audience likes that show because it feels familiar

1067
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: to that exciting. This sounds familiar to another show that

1068
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: I know you were on the past. It's unlike any

1069
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: other Well, this is the launch of a legally distinct

1070
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: show from all other shows I called Off Hours hours

1071
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: of dohen you're off Hours the analyze pop analyze pop culture. Hey,

1072
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: this is Robert Evans cutting in from the future. When

1073
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: we recorded this episode, Off Hours was was not yet done.

1074
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: It was just a dream and Michael and abes beautiful

1075
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: beautiful eyes. Um. But now it is in fact a

1076
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: reality and you can watch it right now on the

1077
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: internet if you go to YouTube, uh and look up

1078
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: off Hours. If your life got rebooted? What kind would

1079
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: it be? On these small Beans channel? Uh? Please check

1080
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: it out off Hours If your life got rebooted? What

1081
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: kind would it be? It's it's it's it's a fun show.

1082
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: It's important to me because all of my friends are involved,

1083
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: and because internet comedy, if you don't know, is having

1084
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: some hard times. These Days and Michael and Abe and

1085
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: a good group of many of my former co workers,

1086
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: where all great people are trying to keep it alive,

1087
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: keep it user supported. Uh you know, you know, avoid

1088
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: having to do ads, avoid a lot of that mess,

1089
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: and and try to make beautiful content that makes people

1090
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: laugh and makes the world more bearable. So please go

1091
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: to the small Beans channel on YouTube. Check out the

1092
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: first episode of off Hours, share it with your friends. Uh,

1093
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: donate to small beings and and keep the world laughing.

1094
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: That's all I do. Or your research horror. The reason

1095
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: we chose that name is because it's the acronym is oh,

1096
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: like oh, I might want to watch this and then

1097
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: have fun fun friends with oh, fun with friends, fun

1098
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: with friends, And it's you know, after your work hours,

1099
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: after hours, would have worked after hours. It's the kind

1100
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: of thing I would watch when I put down my

1101
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: throwing bagels for the day and I pick up my

1102
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: relax in bagels. Yeah, yeah, just unwind with the soothing

1103
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: dulcet tones. I am pitching a Fraser episode that I

1104
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: think will convince you to throw a bagel or two

1105
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: at the screen. Okay, yeah, he might be bad. Fraser

1106
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: might be bad. Guys, so many surprises like that and

1107
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: more at patreon dot com slash small beans, small beans

1108
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: all right, I'm Robert Evans. Uh buy shirt te public

1109
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: behind the shirts you can. You can also just buy

1110
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: shirts in other places if you want a shirt. Uh,

1111
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: it's legally required in many outdoor areas in the United

1112
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: States because of the fucking president. Um. Or you can

1113
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: listen to my other podcast It could happen here. If

1114
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: you want to be sad, it will. It will make

1115
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: your day worse with knowledge. Listen to it. And I

1116
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: have a Twitter in an Instagram at Bastard's pod. Well,

1117
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Sophie runs both of those. I don't understand Instagram. It

1118
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: frightens and confuses me. Um. But you can look at

1119
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: those things. Uh, they exist there in the world. We

1120
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: have a website behind the Bastard's dot com. You can

1121
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: find all the sources for this, including Bare Face Messiah,

1122
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: which you can find free online. I think it's out

1123
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: of copyright. I don't know. I did buy a copy

1124
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: of it, but you can also find it for free online.

1125
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: A chance the church got a little of your money, Well,

1126
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: no they don't. They didn't publish that book. They do

1127
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: not like that book. It's a really it's a hell

1128
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: of a read, though, like the speaking of cutting room

1129
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: floors as we were earlier, the number of l R

1130
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: H stories that I didn't include in this podcast just

1131
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: because as I couldn't make a fourteen hour podcast about

1132
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: all Ron Hubbard fucking wild. Anyway, I'm gonna throw some bagels. Y'all,

1133
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: continue your commute or your poopy number five. The episode

1134
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: is over. H h