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Speaker 1: into north Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahad Sharma, your Cubs beat writer at the Athletic. Patrick Mooney,

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Speaker 1: taking your questions via Twitter mailbag episode. Always enjoy hearing

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Speaker 1: essential for this podcast to keep going. Three months in,

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Speaker 1: That's probably going a little too far for you saying

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Speaker 1: spent that, I would have said no. But that market

423
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: was crazy that season that offseason, and he he adjusted

424
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: and he went and got the defense first shorts up

425
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: that he wanted. I don't know if he's going to

426
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: go out and be crazy aggressive to get Juan Soto.

427
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: Like I said, I need to see it before I

428
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: trust it. I think they are very interested in a

429
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: guy like Sodo. I think they need to figure out

430
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: how they're going to kind of get that star in

431
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: the lineup. Soto's the most obvious, and free agency is

432
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: the easiest way I guess to do it. As far.

433
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: When I say easy, you know the guy's available and

434
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: you just spend money. But you're gonna be bidding against

435
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: the Yankees obviously, and we'll see who else. We'll see

436
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: who else this offseason. I don't think the Dodgers are

437
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be going crazy this offseason, and maybe the Mets.

438
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: Probably the Mets are spending again, so we'll we'll see.

439
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: But if you're going up against the Yankees and Mets, okay,

440
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: that that complicates things. But listen, you gotta start acting

441
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: like a big market club and you're going to have

442
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: to outbid teams. So we'll see, we'll see if he

443
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Speaker 1: does it. I I just I just need to see

444
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: it before I feel confident in saying like, oh, yeah,

445
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: he can do that, because there's been no indication that

446
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: he can because he just he's never done it before.

447
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: So how am I supposed to just say yes, I

448
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: believe he's going to do that. Okay, this is a

449
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: longer question, and I could probably do a whole episode

450
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: on this, and maybe we will. Maybe this is an

451
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: off season episode, so I'm going to take it, but

452
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a quick quick answer. Okay, William Boguelli,

453
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: sorry if I blew your last name there. Eight years on,

454
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: is there a consensus among baseball people as to why

455
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: the Cubs after twenty sixteen changed so much, achieved so

456
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: much less than people had expected of a team that

457
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: was young, talented, and broke the biggest curse in sports?

458
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Was it one big thing or lots of little ones? Yeah?

459
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it was probably lots of little ones. I'll

460
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: give you off the top of my head. I'll give

461
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: you three one. Lack of development of pitching a huge

462
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: issue with that with that run there, they just did

463
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: not develop. I've written so much about this. Go back

464
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: and read some of these pieces because I like going

465
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: back and reading them because it's really informative and it's

466
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of jaw dropping to think about how few innings

467
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: they got from homegrown players during that run and the

468
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: names that they are, Like, they tried so hard. There's

469
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: a reason they made that trade for Jose Quintana. They

470
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: had nothing in the in the system coming up pitching wise,

471
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: and they needed a cost control pitcher that could be like,

472
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, looked at as a one or two or

473
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: even a three in Katana at the time of the

474
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: trade was viewed that way. But they had to be

475
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: aggressive and they overpaid and you know, look back on

476
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: as a mistake and it's hard to dispute that when

477
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: you see what Dylan Ceesa has become and how kind

478
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: of that played out, that's a big one, right, It's

479
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: starting to shift. Obviously we've seen more homegrown talent, Justin

480
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: Steele at the front of that. So I think that's

481
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: more on player development than it was on amateur scouting.

482
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Player development got better under Craig Breslow. We'll see if

483
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: it continues to go that way. Uh, you know, pitching development,

484
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: I should say, under Craig Breslow. We'll see if it

485
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: continues that way. Ryan O'taro's director of pitching now Jason

486
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: Kansler's director of player development. Will see how how those

487
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: guys both their first year this year, So a lot

488
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: of evaluating and seeing how things are done. We'll see

489
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: if changes are made in the winter. Who knows Canceler

490
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: comes with a really good rep. I just talked to

491
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: someone this week who reinforced that for me, like really

492
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: excited about cancer outside the org. Really cubs should be

493
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: really excited about having Canceler, is what I was told

494
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: by someone outside the org. We'll see. It's all it's

495
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: all wait and see, right, Uh. With with stuff like that,

496
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: that that's number one for me, I don't know if

497
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: i'd say if I'm ranking these, but that's a that's

498
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: a big one. The young that. I mean, you can't

499
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: ignore what happened to Addison Russell. You can't. I don't

500
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: want to gloss over that. It's a it's much bigger

501
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: deal than just baseball. It's a you know, he he

502
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: was not focused on baseball. He did awful things off

503
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: the field and and did not improve as a player.

504
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: He was a key part of that twenty sixteen team,

505
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: at least defensively, and was one of the top prospects

506
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: in baseball and completely fell off the face of the earth. Uh.

507
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: He did awful things off the field and doesn't deserve uh,

508
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, any any appollot like, you know, any whitewashing

509
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: of what he did. Uh. That's that's a big issue there.

510
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: But in general, that that core offense didn't grow the

511
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: way uh they kind of expected or hoped and and

512
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: and it's not just it's not as if they didn't produce.

513
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: But again we've written about this, that offense didn't didn't evolve,

514
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: and a big part of it, and this is kind

515
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: of tied in, they didn't spend on they stopped spending

516
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: right on on bats. They hope that they could either

517
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: develop or get them off the scrap heap. But remember,

518
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: like Ben Zoberst retired, Dexter Fowler left by a free agency,

519
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: those are two different types of bats that they had

520
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: in the lineup. Then they had these similar swing and

521
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: miss bats. The game was changing right, Pitchers were changing

522
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fastballs up in the zone, a lot

523
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of breaking balls away, and that hurt the offense. That

524
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: they had similar types of hitters that could be attacked

525
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: in similar ways, they didn't go out and get another

526
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: bat that could kind of change things up. Whether it

527
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: could have just been it didn't have to be Bryce Harper.

528
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: It would have been great if they got Bryce Harper right,

529
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: that would have been a great addition. He'd still be

530
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: helping the team now, could have been Dj Lemayhew. Instead

531
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: they went and got Daniel Descalzo. They went cheap. They

532
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: went cheap and got Daniel Murphy off the scrap heap

533
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand and I believe eighteen, it could be nineteen,

534
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember which year that was. So those were

535
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: ways that they didn't you know, Tom Rick had said

536
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: it's time to stop spending. You've spent enough. You won

537
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: ninety five games in twenty eighteen. That's enough. And they

538
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: went and got Daniel descalso instead of you know, getting

539
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: dj lem Mayhew, things like that, or fixing the bullpen

540
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: and getting Andrew Miller, you know, stuff like that that

541
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: could have happened, That could have changed the way you

542
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: look at that run. There's probably other things now. I

543
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: think I said I was gonna say three, but I

544
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of mixed mixed in a couple there with the

545
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: not they stopped spending and the offense didn't develop, so

546
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: that that kind of makes it three. Right. There's so

547
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: many little things that I could point to, and I'm

548
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: probably missing something obvious. Those are the ones that came

549
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: up off the top of my head. I think it's

550
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: worth diving into that at a future date. Here's a

551
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: quick one. Any chance either Wicks or Ben Brown come

552
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: back soon? Wicks is pitching in Iowa on Saturday. He

553
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: will be back, I believe two or three, likely three.

554
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: I was told rehab starts. If they want him fully

555
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: stretched out, three rehab starts. I don't think there's any

556
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: need to rush them right now, but maybe there may

557
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: be a reason. Will pop up right Ben Brown holding pattern.

558
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I do not know when he's coming back, if he's

559
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: coming back, Like, yes, it was put to me that yes,

560
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: there's a chance he doesn't come back this season. It

561
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: was once guaranteed. Now it's not. I don't think they're

562
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: like looking at it that way that he's going to

563
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: miss the rest of the season. But it is not improving.

564
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it's not improving. It improved his neck

565
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: issue improved significantly, but he's still feeling it. There's no

566
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: consensus among doctors whether this can get worse right if

567
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: he pushes through it. He doesn't seem to be comfortable

568
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: pushing through it, which is really important. You need pictures.

569
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: You need players to be comfortable when they're out there

570
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: on the mound. Here's one from Tyler Dershel. In terms

571
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: of coaching, how much leeway does Craig Council have on

572
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: picking his staff or is there significant influence on the

573
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: front office assisting in those decisions coming this offseason. I

574
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: think it's you know, is there a potential philosophical approach

575
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: coming with new voices? Change in Phillips approach. I assume

576
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: as this with new voices, with this team team strug

577
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: slugging troubles. You know, I don't think there's a need

578
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: for like a change in voice as far as the

579
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: hitting coaches go. Uh, they're like, it's the lack of slugging,

580
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: isn't because Dustin Kelly's telling them to like hit the

581
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: ball on the ground more or not hit for power.

582
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: There's no overall philosophy where it's like you have to

583
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: hit the ball like this, or you have to wait

584
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: three pitches before you swing. My dad used to tell me,

585
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: don't swing until you see a strike. That that's you know,

586
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: that's not a that's that's not a thing that that

587
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: hitting coaches do. Uh. You know, I don't think there's

588
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: an issue with coaches per se. Does that mean Craig

589
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Council agrees with me? I don't. I don't know that

590
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: for sure. I think if there are changes, you know,

591
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: maybe they come in strength and conditioning like that area

592
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: like training. There's been a lot of injuries this year.

593
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Is that something that Council views as an issue? Player development?

594
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Like where where is that happening enough? I actually think

595
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: if you look at Peker Armstrong, there's been really good

596
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: development there. It's taken a little while. It takes a while.

597
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: PCA is a tweaker, like he likes to tweak things.

598
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Right now, he's feeling good with what he's doing. He's

599
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: on his back leg. He's got this leg kick. We'll

600
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: see if that works for him going forward. But I mean,

601
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: like I said earlier in the show, like he looks

602
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: so good right now. He's seeing the ball well, hitting

603
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: it on the line, hitting it hard. You do that

604
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: if he gets if he's a hundred, way to runs

605
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: great at plus next year, that is impactful. That's four

606
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: wins for you. That's a lot. That's that's just a

607
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: really good player. If he's better than that, he gets

608
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: to one twenty, you're talking MVP votes. Okay, Like that's

609
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: just the reality of how this stuff works when you're

610
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: that good defensively. Yeah, I think pitching is like pitching

611
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: coaches are fine, right, Like he gets along really well

612
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: with Tommy Hotbeby. I know that for sure. I think

613
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: when when an offense disappoints like this, you have to

614
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: start asking questions about the coaching staff. It's just how

615
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: it works. It's unfair, but it's kind of how the

616
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: game works, and I think it's fair to ask. Sorry,

617
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair when those questions when when that

618
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: happens in the sense like it's not on the coaches,

619
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: it's on the players. But it's fair to ask because

620
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: that's just what happens, right, Like, I don't think he,

621
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: like Dustin Kelly or John Maylee or any of these

622
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: hitting coaches deserve to lose their jobs because of this season.

623
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: But we'll see how Craig Council feels about that and

624
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: how the front office feels about that. The rest of

625
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: the staff. You know, we'll see. I don't you know,

626
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: I think he got to choose two coaches essentially, he

627
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: was he was pretty meticulous this. It wasn't like he

628
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: was like if these guys were forced on him. It

629
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: was he took a while, he wanted to get to

630
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: know all these guys. He couldn't take anyone from Milwaukee,

631
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: so there were some factors there. Pat. Once Pat Murphy

632
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: was hired, he you know, I think that changed some plans.

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Speaker 1: Hired by Milwaukee. That is, he seems to really like

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Speaker 1: Brian Flaherty. But if this is someone he just didn't

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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's going to be a drastic

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Speaker 1: We've been surprised by moves before. I mean, Craig Council

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Speaker 1: there's a big shakeup coming. I'm not sure if there's

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Speaker 1: a big one necessary. I do think there are some

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Speaker 1: things he'd like to tweak, and that's not just with

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I think it's imperative for Jed to

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Speaker 1: pick Craig Counsel's brain. He saw an organization that spends

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Speaker 1: He was a big part of it. He observed it,

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Speaker 1: he took it all in. He saw what worked. He

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Speaker 1: other things. It wasn't just him, obviously, As his team continues,

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Speaker 1: as that Milwaukee Brews team continues to win, they need

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Speaker 1: to figure out some things that can help them. It'd

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Speaker 1: be foolish to not pick his brain and get more

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Speaker 1: information and try and become a better team a better organization.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that just means coaching staff. I think

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Speaker 1: there are other things all around the organization, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be, R and D, player development, training staff, strength

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Speaker 1: that stuff in the sense that he saw how it

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Speaker 1: clearly observed and took it all in and knows what works.

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Speaker 1: So does he. Is there a secret sauce or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. No, like Carter Hopkins said, there's no secret

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Speaker 1: sauce to pitching development. But it just like there's no

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Speaker 1: secret sauce the Milwaukee's success. But Greig Council certainly has

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Speaker 1: some insight that he could help and provide to the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: And I think it would be foolish if Jed didn't

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Speaker 1: lean on him in a sense this winter to try

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Speaker 1: and continue to improve this organization. All right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: We'll preview this dreadful White Sox team that just fired

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Speaker 1: their manager, Paedri Griffol. We'll have that coming for you

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