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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Body here, coming to you from the

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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Two of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I connect

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Speaker 2: Today's conversation with Sally McRae is honestly, I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: If you don't let go of this, then they're just

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Speaker 1: parents to forgive a rapist or a murder. You see

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00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: it in courtrooms all the time. Like you said, they're

440
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Speaker 1: doing it so they can keep living, so they can

441
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Speaker 1: move on, because you cannot change what has been done,

442
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Speaker 1: but you can heal, and you will heal with scars

443
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Speaker 1: that will remind you from where you came from. But

444
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: those scars are powerful. They're not meant to remind you

445
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: of what a terrible week, you know, no good, nothing are.

446
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: They remind you that you're strong. They remind you that

447
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: you can heal. And I knew that. I wanted that,

448
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: like maybe we could heal these scars. Like we can't undo,

449
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: like I can't undo the way he beat me, and

450
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Speaker 1: I can't undo the way he would humiliate me and

451
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: hurt me with his words. But but there's also forward.

452
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Speaker 1: If we wake up each day, there's a new opportunity

453
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Speaker 1: and a new chance. And you know, I actually speak

454
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Speaker 1: about this all the time. I always some every now

455
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Speaker 1: and then I'll say when I posted on Instagram, like

456
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Speaker 1: everyone thinks I'm talking about running, I'm never talking about running.

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Speaker 3: It is always about life.

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Speaker 1: It is one hundred percent I'm talking about life because

459
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Speaker 1: running is just the fun part. That's a gift and

460
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Speaker 1: the opportunity. That's where I find my voice to send

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Speaker 1: a message. But it's I'm always referring to life and

462
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Speaker 1: that a lot of times when I talk about forgiveness

463
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Speaker 1: and failure and moving forward, a lot of it is

464
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Speaker 1: from my interaction with my dad. But when I was

465
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Speaker 1: pregnant with my son, my daughter was one years old,

466
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Speaker 1: and I kind of had like this last final tempt

467
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Speaker 1: where I was like trying to make amends with him,

468
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Speaker 1: and we had conversations on the phone for a couple

469
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Speaker 1: of days straight. I had my husband sit in the

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Speaker 1: living room with me, and I said, if if I

471
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Speaker 1: am being unfair, if I in any way am being

472
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Speaker 1: you know, if I'm just like blasting him and being

473
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Speaker 1: mean and I'm not listening, like call me out as

474
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Speaker 1: I talked to him, because I want to do this right.

475
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Speaker 1: Because what had happened over the course of like from

476
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Speaker 1: that time until now I'm married with kids, was anytime

477
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Speaker 1: I was around him, I would get like extreme anxiety

478
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Speaker 1: and stress, and I would come home whenever I'd see

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Speaker 1: him and I wouldn't be able to eat for a

480
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Speaker 1: couple of days. Like it was literally like starting to

481
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Speaker 1: corrode my family. It was starting to corrode my relationship

482
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Speaker 1: with my husband and my kids. Like I was really suffering.

483
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Speaker 1: And I knew. I knew personally because I just had

484
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Speaker 1: done some of it's research and after going to college

485
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: I was a communication studies major.

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Speaker 4: I knew that.

487
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Speaker 1: If there is a extremely toxic person in your life,

488
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Speaker 1: that is literally changing the soul of who you are.

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Speaker 1: You know, you are a fearful and you're afraid and

490
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: you can't even function normally, that that person should probably

491
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Speaker 1: not be a part of your life. But I had

492
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Speaker 1: a hard time with that because I was like, no,

493
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Speaker 1: I have to endure like I'm enduring, like I persevere

494
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Speaker 1: with people. I forgive like I'm going to keep going.

495
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Speaker 1: But at this point I realized you can forgive and

496
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Speaker 1: still love somebody and let go all at once, and

497
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Speaker 1: there is power in that, and sometimes that is what

498
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Speaker 1: needs to happen. And I know there's many people listening,

499
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Speaker 1: because anytime I speak on this, I get hundreds of

500
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Speaker 1: messages from people like I am having a hard time forgiving.

501
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: And there's two ways that go. There is where there's

502
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: reconciliation on both sides and you're both working to heal

503
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: and move forward. But then there is still like there's

504
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: one that wants to heal and the other one that

505
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: is refusing to see you, is re using to acknowledge

506
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: your pain and you're hurt and to move forward with

507
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: you and to see you as your own individual. And

508
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, and if it is causing you that deep

509
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, stress and anxiety and hurt all the time,

510
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: you can still love that person and forgive them from afar.

511
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Speaker 3: And that is what happened.

512
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Speaker 1: In those two days of conversations. What I realized was

513
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: that my dad just he did not see me. He

514
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: didn't and he literally said on the phone. And this

515
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: is after I at this point had had fifteen jobs

516
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: in my life, I'm pregnant with my second child. And

517
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: he says to me, you don't know what it's like

518
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: to have pain in your life. You don't know what

519
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: it is to work a hard day, not one single

520
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: day you don't need. He's like, one day, when you're

521
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: a parent, you'll understand, like, you don't see me. And

522
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: I think for all humans, that is what we want.

523
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: We want to be seen. We want to be known.

524
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: We want to know that we matter. We want to

525
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: know that our pain like that it's valid, no matter

526
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: how big or small. It is like if you are

527
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: hurt like that, that there's something there in there that

528
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: needs to be unpacked. So, sadly, I do not have

529
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Speaker 1: relationship with my dad. You know, my mom's been gone,

530
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Speaker 1: but my husband's family is great.

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Speaker 2: So what you're explaining here is something that is a

532
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: lesson that takes so long to really execute on, and

533
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: that is the lesson of having boundaries. So I think

534
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: that's someone listening to this who really hears you and

535
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: probably can think right now exactly of who that person

536
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: is in their life that maybe reminds them of the

537
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: difficulties that you had in your relationship with your father.

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00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: For that person, what advice do you have for them

539
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: about letting go?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really hard.

542
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: There's a few things I want to say, and my

543
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: heart is just like beaten so hard because I do

544
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: empathize so deeply with people in this area, because there

545
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: is this struggle and even the shame that other people

546
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: will put on you spe like unfortunately, like especially my

547
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: friends that have come from like amazing homes, they do

548
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: not get it on any level. Like they're like best

549
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: friends with dad, like mom, and I'm like, dude, I

550
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: never knew that, Like even when my daughter was born,

551
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Like I remember the first couple of years, like just

552
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: watching Eddie interact with Mackenzie, Like I would just go

553
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: in my room and I cry, I like sob because

554
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: like just the way he looked at her was so

555
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: foreign to me, And I was like oh, Like that's

556
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: that's how daddy's and daughters like interact when they love

557
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: each other. Like that's amazing, Like I never knew that,

558
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: and even now, like she's going to be sixteen next week,

559
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: she's I mean, she truly is the light of his

560
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: life and and she adores him and still it sits

561
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: on his lap and just all those things, and I'm

562
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: like I didn't have that. So I just first want

563
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: to say that, yes, it does take time to create

564
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: boundaries and let go of something that you wanted so

565
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: long to fix, that you wanted so long to be different.

566
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: And I think that was the most difficult thing for me.

567
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: It was like I just want him to love me,

568
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: like he's my dad, Like why doesn't he love me?

569
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Like what am I doing wrong? Like I don't know

570
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: what else I can do in my power. And then

571
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: it's understanding like it's not your job to control people.

572
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: It is not your job to make their choices, and

573
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: you have to be okay that the greatest love is love,

574
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: that it's free love that is free. It chooses to

575
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: love you unconditionally no matter what. It chooses to be

576
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: kind and enduring and persevering no matter what season, you're in.

577
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: That's the greatest kind of love, and that's what you

578
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: want in your life because that is ultimately what gets

579
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: you to the best version of yourself. And forgiveness is power.

580
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Forgiveness is freedom, and you have the freedom to let

581
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: go and to forgive and continue on. And there is

582
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Speaker 1: nothing greater that you can do in your life to

583
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Speaker 1: then continue and surround yourself with people that are loving.

584
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Speaker 1: But it is okay to continue in life with an ache.

585
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Speaker 1: And I've spoken about this before that sometimes we believe

586
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Speaker 1: that the healing and the moving forward means that we

587
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: don't feel it anymore. No, I still have moments where

588
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it just sucks, like having never

589
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: had that dad, or especially writing my book, I've had

590
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: some really horrible weeks. I've had to apologize to my family.

591
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I've been so grumpy. I had

592
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: to write like some really horrible stories, you know, in

593
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: this book. And when you remember things, or or you

594
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: smell something, or you see a street corner that reminds

595
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: you of something, and there's just ache that comes with that.

596
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: It's okay. You're human, and humans, you're you're gonna feel,

597
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, and and if anything that makes you know

598
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: that you're still alive and that you care, you have

599
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: the capacity to care. But take what all that caring

600
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Speaker 1: and those feelings and transfer it on to what is

601
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: good in your life because you can. You can't change

602
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: what happened, but you can change your story moving forward,

603
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: and you can make it great. And you can use

604
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: that pain or whatever that person did you that hurt

605
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: you so badly, and you can help other people. I

606
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,240
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607
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Speaker 1: don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's episode to give some love

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641
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Speaker 1: And I think that you bring up, you know, a

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Speaker 1: good point, just even the unknown and realizing that so

656
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Speaker 1: much of everything that we do in life it comes

657
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Speaker 1: down to our mental game. We can parallel that with sports,

658
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: but it's how you approach it. And if you know

659
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Speaker 1: who you are and you believe that your life is

660
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: valuable despite even if the whole world says it's not,

661
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Speaker 1: you have to believe that it is. If you're here,

662
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Speaker 1: there's a purpose for it, and so I think moving

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Speaker 1: forward when you hit those storms, it's just courage. And

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Speaker 1: courage isn't being the most badass, toughest person on the

665
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Speaker 1: start line. Isn't being someone that, Okay, I can endure

666
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Speaker 1: pain because I don't feel it. No, it isn't about

667
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: being so numb that you don't feel anything. It's being

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Speaker 1: courageous enough to feel all of it and know that

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Speaker 1: what you're walking into is still going to be uncomfortable,

670
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: it's still going to hurt, but yet you're choosing to

671
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: go because you understand that getting on to the other

672
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: side is so important and it is going to be better.

673
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Speaker 1: And that isn't always the that's the hardest route, you know,

674
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: And this is floating around in social media all the

675
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: time where it's like you just need to toughen up

676
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: and you know you need to just push through it

677
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: and don't think about it, and you know, push away

678
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: anyone that's going to hamper you or put you down.

679
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, sometimes getting through stuff is literally

680
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: being shoulder to shoulder around people and things that are uncomfortable,

681
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: but staying true to who you are and still moving forward.

682
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: Courageously. It's the opportunity to become calloused.

683
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: Knowing that even the thickest, most well developed callouses still

684
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: rip when put under an up stress like you have

685
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: the opportunity to build that up. But also you need

686
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: to have the self awareness to remember that you're still human.

687
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: So it's not like once you go through something, then

688
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: if you go through something that's similar to that, again,

689
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: it won't hurt. But what that does mean is that

690
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: now you have some of the know how and the

691
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: tools to understand how to get over that next hurdle

692
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Speaker 2: moment as it comes. You know, there's so much relatability

693
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: in your story and your struggle, and again, I'm so

694
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: grateful for you for sharing that. Another huge relatable point

695
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to you, Sally, is that you started

696
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: to thrive in your athletic pursuits when your kids, you know,

697
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: we're four or five, six seven, and so for you

698
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Speaker 2: talk to us a little bit about what that's been

699
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Speaker 2: like for you finding sport and finding your stride in

700
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Speaker 2: sport in your thirties.

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Speaker 4: That was challenging.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna lie, and I'll say this specifically.

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Speaker 3: To moms and young moms. You're not.

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: You're not going to be the popular mom when you

705
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: are not joining the mommy circles.

706
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Speaker 3: And I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I think I had to make a choice when my

708
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: kids were young. I was going to pursue a dream

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Speaker 1: that I'd had since I was a little girl, to

710
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Speaker 1: become a professional athlete, and I was going I also

711
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: wanted to be a good mom. I was so close

712
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: to my mom. I loved being a mom, So I

713
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Speaker 1: literally flipped my whole life upside down and created a

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Speaker 1: life that allowed me to be there for my kids

715
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Speaker 1: while pursuing a dream. So that was really difficult, I'd

716
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Speaker 1: say it was. I had a lot of It was

717
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: lonely at times too, And you know, and back then,

718
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Speaker 1: I feel like even just ten years ago, women weren't

719
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: so supported in sport. So I think when people even

720
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: understood what I was doing, they're like, you're weird, or

721
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that's crazy, or like no, seriously, like that psycho, and

722
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, and women were very blunt saying, how can

723
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Speaker 1: you be a good mom and then still take care

724
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Speaker 1: of your kids and your house and pursue these things.

725
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't see your kids are being neglected,

726
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: And so I had to deal with both outside criticism

727
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: from actually people that were my friends, not just strangers,

728
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: and people on social media. It was like people that

729
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: I thought that you know, that I got along with

730
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: and still move forward in what I knew to be

731
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Speaker 1: true of my journey. I really believe that all of us,

732
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: every single person that is put on this planet, is

733
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Speaker 1: given a gift and a light, and it isn't necessarily

734
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Speaker 1: supposed to be used just to parade ourselves. It's not

735
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: about our glory. It's supposed to be used to impact

736
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: the world around us and to reach people and to

737
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: courage and love, like we're given things to love on people.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to view life. If

739
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you have purpose in your life,

740
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: then just go and start loving people and your life

741
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: will be greatly fulfilled. So I knew that as an athlete,

742
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: that was where my voice was loudest in both in

743
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: writing and sport, and I had never deterred from those

744
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: two things from the time I was in kindergarten, and

745
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I always told my mom that I would write a

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00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: book one day and that I would be a professional athlete.

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Speaker 1: And so when she died, it was like this hiatus

748
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's many years of not doing either, but

749
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Speaker 1: I'd never ever stopped training. So I loved getting in

750
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Speaker 1: the gym, I loved going out on runs, and I

751
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: just eventually found a way to do that with babies.

752
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: And so I would look at training plans that I

753
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: would download off the internet, and I thought, Okay, this

754
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: says I have to do an eight mile track workout

755
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and then on Wednesday, I need to do

756
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Speaker 1: like a seventy five minute run. And then when you know,

757
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Speaker 1: you download these generic things and you try to follow them,

758
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, like I cannot do this, Like this

759
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Speaker 1: is not going to work.

760
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Speaker 3: So I just started writing my own plans.

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Speaker 1: And what I realized was like, Okay, I can run

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Speaker 1: for thirty minutes in the morning with the kids in

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Speaker 1: the jogging store, because that's about how long they can

764
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Speaker 1: last in there. And then I have like forty five

765
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Speaker 1: minutes when they're both down for a nap, I can

766
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Speaker 1: get on the treadmill. And then in the evening, right

767
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: before dinner at it comes home from work and I

768
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Speaker 1: get like an, okay, I can probably get something in.

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Speaker 3: At that time.

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Speaker 1: So every day I was piecing together when I could

771
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Speaker 1: get a workout in and sometimes it would take me

772
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: three workouts to do eight miles, but I did it,

773
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Speaker 1: and I just believed that regardless of what it looks like,

774
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Speaker 1: if you show up every single day and you put

775
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: the work in, it's it's going to make a difference.

776
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Speaker 1: And so I did that for a few years, and

777
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Speaker 1: then I ran my first Ultra in twenty ten. My

778
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Speaker 1: kids were two and four when I did that, and

779
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: then it was a few more years of racing, and

780
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Speaker 1: then in twenty fourteen is when I was signed by Nike.

781
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Speaker 2: Casual, Like I'm just going to start in twenty ten,

782
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Speaker 2: and then like by twenty fourteen, I'm just pro.

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Speaker 1: I do remember when it first happened, a lot of

784
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Speaker 1: moms had messaged me. They're like, oh my gosh, it's amazing,

785
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: Like I run with my son in the jogging stroller

786
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Speaker 1: all the time, like you know, you've inspired me to

787
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Speaker 1: do this, And I remember thinking my mind, it's like

788
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Speaker 1: I literally started training when I was sixteen, Like I

789
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: never did from that, Like I I started doing two

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Speaker 1: a days at sixteen, and I never stopped, like even

791
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Speaker 1: when I had kids and I didn't have this goal

792
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: of Ultra marathoning I knew I was supposed to be

793
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Speaker 1: an athlete, and I didn't really know how to do

794
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: life any other way, and so I was always very fit.

795
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I did this couch to ultra

796
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Speaker 1: couch to pro over the course of three years. I

797
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: mean at this time, it took me sixteen years to

798
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: realize that dream. So it was sixteen years in the making.

799
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Speaker 1: And so I never want to downplay the work, like

800
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: you have to put that work in. And I even

801
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: think sometimes when even now when we see young you know,

802
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: kids that are up and coming and they you know,

803
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: they they turned pro or whatever, you have to remember

804
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: there there was a massive support team and a lot

805
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: of years of building up that you know, that college kid.

806
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't just they had a couple of good years

807
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: in college and that's it. It's and it could even

808
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: be that they were cross training in different sports. But

809
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Speaker 1: when you set your mind on a goal, you have

810
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Speaker 1: to be prepared to put in the work for many years.

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Speaker 1: And I was raised to work very hard.

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Speaker 2: So beyond the criticism that you said that you experienced

813
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: from the mom community, you also have received some criticism

814
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: over the years when it comes to individuals feeling as

815
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: though they get to comment on your body. I know

816
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: you recorded a few episodes about this and talking about

817
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Speaker 2: body on Too Strong, but I'd love to talk a

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00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: little bit about that with you. I loved a post

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Speaker 2: that you put up on Instagram. It said body want

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Speaker 2: to run a race, then do it. Leave your appearance

821
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Speaker 2: out of it. Want to learn ballet, then do it.

822
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Speaker 2: Stop wondering if you look like a dancer. Want to swim,

823
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: then do it. There's no right or wrong way to

824
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: look in your bathing suit. Let's talk about what you

825
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Speaker 2: do with your body instead of how it looks. Give

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Speaker 2: me some insight about your journey to body acceptance.

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Speaker 1: Well, I starting at a really young age. I was

828
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Speaker 1: really aware of my body. Like by the time I

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Speaker 1: was probably five or six, my siblings would tease me,

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Speaker 1: which siblings do. And you get teased on the schoolyard,

831
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Speaker 1: you know, for whatever it is you're wearing, your hair

832
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: or whatever it's And this is an important note because

833
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: we must understand that that is just a part of

834
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: human interaction. Like we have eyes for a reason. We

835
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Speaker 1: notice a beautiful sunset, beautiful flower, the dress in the window.

836
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Speaker 1: Like we're constantly saying that things are cute or ugly

837
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: or you know, pleasing to the eye or glorious or whatever.

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00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: That's it's a conversation starter. What pulls us in, it's

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Speaker 1: what repels us. So when I was little, you know,

840
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Speaker 1: my siblings made fun of me that I was fat.

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00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: So I had this. I definitely had like a little belly.

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00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I was very short when as a kid,

843
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: like I was really small, and I was just like

844
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Speaker 1: chunky and to full on like baby fat. So I

845
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: was really concerned about that because they would draw pictures

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Speaker 1: of me with you know, as a fat kid, and

847
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: they'd put them on my bed and I would cry,

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Speaker 1: and so I started doing like push ups and sit

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Speaker 1: ups in my room. I don't think that lasted very long,

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00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: but that's probably like the first time that I was like, oh,

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00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, I'm fat. But then by the

852
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: time I was i'd say like nine or ten, like

853
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: I was just then really petite, like I lost all

854
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: my baby fat, was really lean, and then up until

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00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I was always really small like I was.

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00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: I was actually criticized in soccer for being too small,

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Speaker 1: and girls would come up to me and say, you

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00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: could never be a professional soccer player. You're too small,

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00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: you're not strong enough, you can't push girls off the ball.

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Speaker 1: So I love to speak on both sides because I

861
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: think that it's important that people understand it isn't about

862
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: that being really thin or even being really strong, because

863
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: I know that's kind of a trend now too, is

864
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: like the muscles and the weightlifting and stuff like there's

865
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: some we all build muscle in different ways, like our

866
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: body types are all different. And for me, I thought

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be petite for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And then at sixteen is when I actually grew, and

869
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: then I became and now I do build muscle a

870
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: little bit easier, like always had even in high school.

871
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: So so then things change. And then as I got bigger,

872
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: even in college, people made note of that and talked

873
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: a lot about my lower body. I'd say, since the

874
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: time I was in middle school, people have always made

875
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: comments about my button, my legs. I didn't it wasn't

876
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: always a negative thing to me, Like I think that

877
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: the way that I understood it was just like, oh,

878
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's a good thing, because like the guys

879
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: are saying, it's like a good thing. You know, like

880
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: you don't know how to. Like as a twelve thirteen

881
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: year old, you're like, oh, like I'm getting attention from

882
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: guys like I guess my legs are great, you know.

883
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: But then in high school you're like, oh, my gosh,

884
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: like this is it looks like the trend is to

885
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: be really thin and to be in like these like

886
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: these nice tight genes that I can't fit into unless

887
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: they're super stretchy.

888
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: So I think.

889
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: Growing up, I always went back and forth, But the

890
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: thing that remained true was that it didn't matter if

891
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: I was at work, at school, on the soccer field,

892
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: it was about ninety percent of the time someone's going

893
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: to come up to me and say something about my body.

894
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what.

895
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: When Nike reached out to me to sign me, I

896
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: was extremely insecure about it and I didn't believe that

897
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: it was actually them. So I sent the email to

898
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: my buddies, my training buddies, Billy, Dave and Colin, and

899
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I asked them. I was like, dude, do you guys

900
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: think this is like a legit email? They're like yeah,

901
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: I respond, and my immediate thought was like, man, I

902
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: just don't think I want to be with a company

903
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: that is so big, like there's big, they're flashy, like

904
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: everyone knows them, and I'm just picturing the ridicule that

905
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to get when I'm signed, because one, I

906
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: do not look like a typical endurance pro athlete, like

907
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: at all. I look like I should be, you know,

908
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: like a crossfitter or something like that. So I was

909
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: really insecure and I kind of hesitated, and a buddy

910
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, Sally, Like, you need

911
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: to understand that clearly your body doesn't have anything to

912
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: do with you being signed. They're reaching out to sign

913
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: you because of your performance, so maybe you should take

914
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: a hold of that. So it was, you know, a

915
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: couple of days of working through that, but I'll tell

916
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: you what, like within the first month, we did a

917
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: photo shoot and they posted those pictures on the Nike

918
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: Running account and I cried. You know, it was I'm

919
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: still human, like I consider myself like I am pretty

920
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: thick skin for the most part. I do believe that

921
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: you have the power to receive or bad away the

922
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: comments that people say. And for me, it was just

923
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: so much you know, she's so big, that's not a runner,

924
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and just she's fat. And tons of comments coming in.

925
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: So I did struggle my first two years with Nike,

926
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: being with a brand that was so big and realizing

927
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: that I do not look like any other runner that

928
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: they had ever signed in the history of women's runnings.

929
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: But then I realized too. I was like, no, like,

930
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I need to own this. And I had gone to

931
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: great measure to meet with nutritionists and I had gone

932
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: to two different clinics to get body fat tested because

933
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: I was you know, what I actually want to see,

934
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: like what I actually am made of? If I were

935
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: to try to lose weight, what would I look like.

936
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: So the first person I went to, she did a

937
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: dunk one of the dunking fat testing on me. And

938
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: I didn't tell her what I did for a living.

939
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: I just came in like, hey, I'm you know, I

940
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: just want to get a fat test. And so she

941
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: sat me down. She's like, what do you do for

942
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: a living? And I was like, I run. She's like,

943
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: do you run.

944
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: Like a lot?

945
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: Or and I was like, yeah, I run a lot.

946
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm just wondering if you can

947
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: help me get rid of this muscle. She's like, well,

948
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: you you're eleven percent body fat if you there's not

949
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: really much fat we can get rid of, and then

950
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: we'd start getting rid of muscle. I go, yeah, can

951
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: you do that? Can you help me get rid of muscle,

952
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: like maybe in my legs? And she looks at me

953
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: sideways and she's like, yeah, I don't work with people

954
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: like that. Like she was like pretty much dismissed me.

955
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: She's like, you will ruin your performance, you will ruin

956
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: what you do. You're going to be weak. And I

957
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: was like I didn't believe her, so I went somewhere else.

958
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: I didn't tell the guy what I did. I did

959
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: a Dexa scan. This is where they like lay you

960
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: on a bed, same thing, like, I'm yeah, I work

961
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: out every now and then. And then he scans me.

962
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: He gets the test back. He's like oh, He's like

963
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: what do you do for a living? He's like the

964
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: only people that have ever had these numbers are my

965
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: professional wrestlers. And I was like, yeah, I don't wrestle.

966
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: I run and so kind of.

967
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: The same thing. He's like, you know you can't.

968
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: I've never had anybody ask me to reduce muscle. He's like,

969
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of like, why do you want to do that,

970
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: and I started explaining it to him and he's like, no,

971
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: He's like, you can do what you do because of

972
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: your muscle. And for me, like, that's a very humbling

973
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: story to share because I'm in the middle of my

974
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: pro career at this point, trying to figure things out,

975
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like, can I be better? You know,

976
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: there is there is a bit of science, and yeah,

977
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: the lighter thing is going to get faster up the mountain, right,

978
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: But there's also the other side of you can be

979
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: very efficient and strong in the body that's been given

980
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: to you. And so I had to just own it.

981
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: At that point, I thought, I'm just gonna I'm just

982
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna keep on doing what I do. I'm going to

983
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: keep on being strong. And I had always lifted weights.

984
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: I'd run a fitness and strength company. That's how I

985
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: was able to stay home with my kids. I started

986
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: that back in two thousand and seven. So I was

987
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: always sharing my workouts online and posting videos and things

988
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: like that. And even when people are like, wait, how

989
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: much do you lift and run? That doesn't make sense.

990
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: That's probably why you're so big as a runner, and

991
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: you lift too much. And I just thought, yeah, but

992
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm like not injured, like this is this is just

993
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of.

994
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 4: What you know, what I love and what I do.

995
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that I'll always deal with the comments.

996
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: I'll always deal with people coming up to me no

997
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: matter where I go. And I used to be cynical

998
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: about it, and even ashamed. I used to wear really

999
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: long jackets everywhere I went. I was always hiding my

1000
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: body when I would go to events or races or

1001
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: anything whenever I did media, just so that I wouldn't

1002
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: get comments or people staring. But that was not a

1003
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: way to live life. And I knew that. I knew

1004
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I needed to just embrace me.

1005
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: People are always going to have an opinion, right, And

1006
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: even you said, like both sides of the coin. It

1007
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: was like when you were playing soccer, you weren't big enough,

1008
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: and now that you're running, you're too big, And it's

1009
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: just like that word should It really gets in your

1010
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: head sometimes. I mean I recently myself shared a post

1011
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 2: kind of coming clean that before the New York Marathon

1012
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: last year, coming off of a pandemic, only seeing you know,

1013
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: a certain amount of people in my circle over the

1014
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: past couple of years that I felt really insecure about

1015
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: this idea that I was about to quote unquote be

1016
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: on display running through my city for people to have

1017
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: an opinion about my body. And as a result, and

1018
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: this is what I had mentioned, I certainly I mean,

1019
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: I was eating the weeks leading up to the race,

1020
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: but I was not fueling my body like the strong

1021
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: machine that had carried me for sixteen weeks through grueling training,

1022
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: through one of the best training cycles that I had

1023
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: ever had. And as a result of that, I felt

1024
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: like by mile eight at the New York Marathon in

1025
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one that I was completely bonked. And you

1026
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: have to go through these hurdles or these quote unquote

1027
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: failures to get to a point sometimes where you find

1028
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: that appreciation that for one reason or another, whether it

1029
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: be a mean comment on the Internet, or something else

1030
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: that's going on in your personal life, or maybe just

1031
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: where your head is at at the moment, that gets

1032
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: you to have that greater understanding and appreciation for what

1033
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: you do have instead of focusing on the things that

1034
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: you are without or what could be or quote unquote

1035
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 2: should be different. And so for me to go through

1036
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: that lesson at the twenty twenty one New York marathon.

1037
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: I now know better, and because I know better, I

1038
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: do better.

1039
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: I recently ran the New York City half marathon, and

1040
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: that entire week I was so much more focused. And

1041
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: I know you nerd out about fueling and nutrition. Now

1042
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm totally there with you. I was really thinking, like

1043
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: very highly about what I was putting into my body

1044
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: and how I could fuel myself for the performance that

1045
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: I knew that I had worked so hard to achieve.

1046
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: And so I'm right there with you.

1047
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 2: It's hard as hell to not let other people who

1048
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: you actually know nothing about have an opinion on you

1049
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: and your body and what you've got going on, and

1050
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: not about that impact you. But as Trent Shelton, he's

1051
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: a motivational speaker. I had him on the show once

1052
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: and he always says this, and I am like, yes, sir,

1053
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: are the people that have something to say about you

1054
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: and your body? Are those people going to be at

1055
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: your funeral? Yeah?

1056
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: No, probably not, probably not. So you gotta let it go,

1057
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 3: you know. But again, easier said than done.

1058
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: Totally.

1059
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: I love that.

1060
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1061
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: I actually, now that my kids are older, we have

1062
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: conversations about that because social media isn't something that we

1063
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: had to deal with in our formative years.

1064
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: And I can't even imagine being sixteen and dealing with

1065
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: social media right now, because it's such a hard time

1066
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 2: at sixteen without it. But then also like for you

1067
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: being a parent and helping them navigate that, my mind

1068
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: is blown.

1069
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: My mind is blown, right.

1070
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we have kids that you know, their brains

1071
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: aren't even fully formed, and you see adults struggling with

1072
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: social media all the time, and so we were pretty

1073
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: strict with it in my home. We're strict with their

1074
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: phone screen time, all of that. I'm totally that mom,

1075
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not ashamed of it because I just I

1076
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: see how it can change a kid's whole day by

1077
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: the swipe of a screen or a comment that comes

1078
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: in or something that's so hurtful. And remember when I'm

1079
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: not sure which of my kids they had gotten, like

1080
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: a mean comment was said to them, and I told them,

1081
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: who are the people that you look up to and

1082
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: that you want to be like? You know, who are

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00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: your heroes? It doesn't even have to be like a

1084
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: famous athlete or musician or anything like that. When you

1085
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: think of your heroes, are those heroes also taking time

1086
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: to tear people down? Do heroes tear people down. Are

1087
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: people that you are inspired by that you hope to

1088
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: be like one day. People that are that are always

1089
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: putting into hard work and working toward their goals is.

1090
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: Part of their life.

1091
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Just randomly putting other people down. And do people that

1092
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: care about you and love you do they say these

1093
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: things to you. And so we had we proceeded to

1094
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: add this like long conversation about that, and they said,

1095
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: that's how you're going to know what to receive and

1096
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: what to reject. You know, sometimes your close family and

1097
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: friends are going to have hard conversations with you. There

1098
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: is going to be some constructive and truth should be spoken.

1099
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: Some that needs to happen. We don't need flattery and

1100
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: all the good things said to us all the time

1101
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: if we're going to grow, but be careful about who

1102
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: those people are. And you know, I think it's important

1103
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: that you choose who gets to speak into your life.

1104
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: For me, it's a very small circle. And the people

1105
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: who get to speak into my life also call me

1106
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: on the carpet on things too, like Hey, was that

1107
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: the best decision? Or should you have said that? Because

1108
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: I know they've loved me from day one, they've loved

1109
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: me in all seasons, Sally.

1110
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: Who are your heroes?

1111
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: You know? Growing up, I definitely had sports heroes that

1112
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: I looked up to. I loved Michael Jordan, I loved

1113
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Kim zamescal Brandy Chastain, and Mia Hamm. These are all athletes.

1114
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: But my mom really was my greatest hero. There are

1115
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: moments in her life where she exhibited such incredible strength

1116
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: that I still recall on those moments in my life

1117
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: today and where I think about probably my my and

1118
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: maybe I think this goes for a lot of people.

1119
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes the people were most inspired by they're not well known,

1120
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: famous people. It's people who live real lives, who are

1121
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: both vulnerable in their failures and their weaknesses, but they

1122
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: don't give up. And so you know, my husband is

1123
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: one of them too. I've always told him, like, no

1124
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: one is more persevering and enduring than you are. I

1125
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: met him when I was eighteen. We've been best friends

1126
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: since we were eighteen, so and he's never stopped loving me.

1127
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: And I know that I haven't always been an easy

1128
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: person to be around, especially just the way that my

1129
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: life is and all the different things that I'm doing

1130
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: all the time. Like he's so supportive. So you know,

1131
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: the ones that I look up to are they're real people.

1132
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: So I'd say my husband and my mom.

1133
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: Vulnerability is relatable finding someone who seems to have no

1134
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: problems at all, that like level of perfection is completely not.

1135
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: Completely not.

1136
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see this

1137
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: outstanding tramerathon her she's got almost one hundred thousand followers,

1138
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: A proud mom.

1139
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: A devoted wife.

1140
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: When you look in the mirror, what is it that

1141
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: you see a looking back at you.

1142
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: Well, the most consistent thing that I see, and I

1143
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: tell myself, is someone that's growing. And that's truly what

1144
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: I desire. I want to know that there's still room

1145
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: left for me to grow. I think when I look

1146
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: at myself and I think that too, it allows me

1147
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: to give myself a little bit more grace because I

1148
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: know that with growth, like you know, it's like any plant,

1149
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: like you got to push through some dirt to bloom.

1150
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like that in my life, Like I

1151
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'll grow and then I think I have

1152
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: it figured out, and then it's like, no, you still

1153
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: got some more grown to go. There's still things that

1154
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: we can improve on or things that we can do better.

1155
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: But I think too with growth in my life, it

1156
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: just means that I'm also aware of how important it

1157
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: is to be a student, and whether that's like mentally, physically,

1158
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: in my relationships. If ever, I come to a point

1159
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: in my life where I think I've learned everything there

1160
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: is to learn, or that I'm a master expert, Like

1161
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: even as a professional ultra runner, I know there's there's

1162
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: so many mistakes I still make and things that I

1163
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: need to learn. And so yeah, that's that's probably the

1164
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: biggest thing. And I'm a woman who is who's growing.

1165
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1166
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: It's funny we're kind of winding down here and I'm

1167
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: realizing that we've hardly talked about ultra running. And I

1168
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: think that that is a testament to what you were

1169
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: saying before about the fact that running is such a

1170
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: small part of it. Like, yes, it is your career

1171
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: and it is an act that you've partaken, but the

1172
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: lessons that you've learned on the run and interwoven with

1173
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: the run are the things that your life is actually

1174
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: built upon. They're the building blocks for who you've become

1175
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: when you reflect on your career thus far, And you

1176
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: did say that.

1177
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: You're just in the middle of it right now.

1178
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: What would you say has been one of your proudest

1179
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: accomplishments as an ultrarunner.

1180
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: Gosh, I have two.

1181
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: I think is being able to do it as a mom.

1182
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: I think when I got when I got signed, having

1183
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: two young kids and knowing what I came from, like

1184
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: that was huge for me.

1185
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: It's very personal to me. It's it's not popular, you know.

1186
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: When I first came on, I didn't really know any

1187
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: other moms that we're doing it, and it went back

1188
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: and forth like sometimes I was like, oh, maybe I

1189
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, but then I was like, no, it's

1190
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: so great. I know I can still be a great

1191
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: mom and show my kids this pathway and still pursue things.

1192
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: That I love.

1193
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: And so there's that.

1194
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: And then winning Badwater last year was really personal to

1195
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: me too.

1196
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 3: I think on a on a.

1197
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: Career level, that's something I love, That's something I will

1198
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: never be taken away from me. Being a bad Water

1199
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: champion is something I dreamed about for a long time,

1200
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: and I really loved, loved being able to accomplish that dream.

1201
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: But a small piece of it, which it actually took

1202
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: me a while to digest, was and I've actually only

1203
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: talked about this like one other time was I wasn't

1204
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: really excited about the performance I had. That wasn't the

1205
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: performance that I had trained for and what I knew

1206
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: I was capable of. Like I was pretty sad about

1207
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: my time, Like I was like, oh my gosh, I

1208
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: wanted like four hours faster. But as I went through

1209
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: like the motions post race thinking about that, I realized

1210
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: that so much of what happened in that race is

1211
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: so just it's so true to the journey of my

1212
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: life and what I've the path that I've always been on,

1213
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: and I have to be okay with that. I have

1214
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: to be okay that for me, it might be that

1215
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: I always get to the finish line with a limp,

1216
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: and that very much defies my life and who I am.

1217
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: And I think that being able to share that with

1218
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: people allows them to be okay with Like, just because

1219
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: you overcome something or you work through a challenge in

1220
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: your life, it's okay if you still feel it's okay

1221
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: if you still have visible scars from it, Like you

1222
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: don't have to then become like a perfect person. And

1223
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: I've had a couple races where I've won but like

1224
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: the struggle to get there, or like the finishing time

1225
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: wasn't what I personally wanted, and that was hard for me.

1226
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: But then I realized, I'm like, oh my gosh, like

1227
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: this is such a beautiful parallel.

1228
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: To my life.

1229
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I went out and I trained on that bad

1230
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: water course like so hard, Like I was running the

1231
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: last twelve miles of that race is a five thousand

1232
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: foot climbup to Mount Whitney, and I ran hundreds of

1233
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: miles in my training and that and I made sure

1234
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: that I would be the fastest person running up that

1235
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: mountain and I loved it. I was my favorite part.

1236
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: And in the race, like I was struggling to take

1237
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: a step, like I dragged myself up that mountain. And

1238
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: I was in fear a lot too, because I knew

1239
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: I was. I lost so much time, and I kept

1240
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: on asking crew, like do you see a headlamp behind us?

1241
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: Like is someone coming up? Like I don't know how

1242
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: much longer I can push. And the one picture that

1243
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: my husband had posted on his Instagram, it was a

1244
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: mile before the finish line. I'm on my knees, I'm

1245
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: bent over on my knees. I've been throwing up and

1246
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: and it's him talking to me saying, you're gonna be okay,

1247
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: like you're so close. And I remember at that point

1248
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: crying because I was like, I can't believe, Like I've

1249
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: wanted to win this for so long, but in my mind,

1250
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: I envision myself winning triumphantly. I envisioned myself getting to

1251
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: the finish line like so strong and just like breaking

1252
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: that tape like a tiger, and I'm literally like limping

1253
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: into my into my champion finish and so that was

1254
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: that was hard for me, I think on and it's

1255
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: hard to talk about too, because I think that a

1256
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: lot of runners would be like whatever, man, Like I'd

1257
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: do anything to win that race.

1258
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: You're so lucky to do it.

1259
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: But it's like when you have a goal for yourself

1260
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: you've worked so hard for and you've devoted your whole

1261
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: life and you sacrifice, it's precious and it's personal to you.

1262
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 1: It's not your goal, it's mine, and when you don't

1263
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: meet it, it hurts a little bit. And so I

1264
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: had to work through all of that for the couple

1265
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: weeks after the race, But then I just realized, I

1266
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm actually grateful for that, because

1267
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: the power of that finish is just a reminder of

1268
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: so many of the things that I've overcome in my life.

1269
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: Like I haven't been great. I have a lot of regrets,

1270
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of pain, but I'm still here

1271
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: and I'm still moving forward.

1272
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: To provide a little bit of context or anyone who

1273
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 2: doesn't exactly know all of the things about the Bad

1274
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: Water one thirty five, it is quote the world's toughest

1275
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: foot race, a near mythical status.

1276
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: In the world of extreme running. So I just want

1277
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: to make sure that we lay that down real quick.

1278
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: And I also do want to say that when it

1279
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: comes to that finish, you're talking about being on your

1280
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 2: knees a mile from the end, being in such a dark,

1281
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: frustrating place for anyone who may experience negative self talk

1282
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: or find themselves in a similar position of being in

1283
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: the lowest of lows. Maybe not necessarily on the side

1284
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: of a mountain, but you get what I'm saying, What

1285
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: advice do you have to offer them when it comes

1286
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: to channeling that in our resilience.

1287
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: One of the most powerful things that I do in

1288
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: those moments is I ask myself, what story do you

1289
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: want to tell tomorrow. And when you ask yourself that

1290
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: you take full responsibility. You can't blame anyone or anything.

1291
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: I could have been like, hey, i've and I did.

1292
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: I had diarrhea from mile fourteen, like I had a

1293
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: horrible time keeping down my fuel, I was cramping, like

1294
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: I was dizzy, like I had to put so much

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Speaker 1: physical discomfort, And I could have blamed that. I thought, Well,

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Speaker 1: if I didn't have this, and if I wasn't vomiting,

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Speaker 1: and if I But no, it's what story are you

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Speaker 1: going to tell? And now are you going to be

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Speaker 1: proud of that story? Is what's going to be the

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Speaker 1: best part? What's the turning point, what's the climax, How

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Speaker 1: is it going to finish?

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Speaker 3: Who's going to listen?

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Speaker 1: And I think that we can do that at every

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Speaker 1: point of our life when we have to make hard decisions,

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Speaker 1: whether it's in your relationships and your career, your interactions

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Speaker 1: with the world around you, when you are gone at

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Speaker 1: the end of your life.

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Speaker 3: What is going to be the best.

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Speaker 1: Part of your story? What story do you want to tell?

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Speaker 3: What excites you right now?

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Speaker 1: My kids, I mean they're at this age. I mean

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Speaker 1: my kids always excite me. But like both of them

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Speaker 1: are really starting to be laser focused on their own

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Speaker 1: goals in sport, and I love I mean, I get

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Speaker 1: so excited. I love being on the sidelines watching them

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Speaker 1: because I still see them as like four and six

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Speaker 1: years old and they're not. But they they keep me

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Speaker 1: motivated and moving through not only like my training, but

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Speaker 1: they keep me excited for the future and my kids

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Speaker 1: because they've grown up with a mom that's always trained.

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Speaker 1: Like they are constantly like, what was your mileage today,

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Speaker 1: how'd your run go, where'd you run? What race do

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Speaker 1: you have coming up? Like, they're so just they keep

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Speaker 1: me on my toes and they bring so much joy

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Speaker 1: into my life. So I'd say that the other side,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to finish my book and I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: you know what that what hopefully the good that will

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Speaker 1: come from that, you know, the story that I want

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Speaker 1: to share is is hopefully to encourage people. So those

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Speaker 1: are probably the two biggest things that keep me enthusiastic

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Speaker 1: my running always will. I never grow tired of running.

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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of exciting races on the calendar.

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Speaker 1: I'll be hitting up a handful of countries this year.

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Speaker 1: I love to travel and see the world. It's been

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest gifts of my career is being

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Speaker 1: able to interact with people all over the world while

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Speaker 1: running up gorgeous peaks. But yeah, those are those are

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Speaker 1: at the forefront of every day of my life.

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Speaker 2: I'm also excited for you to finish your book. I

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Speaker 2: cannot cannot cannot.

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Speaker 3: Wait for it. Thank you, all right, Sally, final question?

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Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself looking

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Speaker 2: back on the hurdle moment in the eighteen months after

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Speaker 2: your mom's passing, taking care of your father, dealing with

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Speaker 2: a lot of tough shit. You have an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: offer that young woman a piece of advice looking back

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Speaker 2: on that hurdle moment.

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Speaker 3: What do you tell her?

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Speaker 1: I tell her you can't see it now, but it's

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Speaker 1: going to be better than you could ever imagine.

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Speaker 3: So grateful for you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's like the biggest understatement I have

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Speaker 2: said in the last like five years. I am truly

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Speaker 2: just one of many people that gain so much from

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Speaker 2: keeping up with you, or at least attempting to on

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Speaker 2: social media.

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Speaker 3: Not IRL, and I'm so happy that we can make

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Speaker 3: this happen.

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Speaker 2: How do the hurdlers follow along with you. How do

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Speaker 2: they keep up with you as well? Give us a details.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram. That's probably where

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Speaker 1: my most active daily is on Instagram. I do have

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Speaker 1: a couple Facebook pages. One is a private community to

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Speaker 1: run in strength community, so you can join that, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm yellow Runner on there. My website Salamurka dot com.

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Speaker 1: And then I have an app which you can find

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Speaker 1: in the link of my bio on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Thank you again, I'm so appreciative.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.