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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back on Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson, and this

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Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And uh, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of uh you know, emphasis on the career

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger. Of course here on the Steelers Nation Radio,

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Speaker 1: we've been playing back, uh all the career highlights of

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger at seven o'clock every day. How about that.

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Speaker 1: That's a little seven seven am and seven pm. That

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Speaker 1: will run through Thursday, so you can give those games

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Speaker 1: a listen. I know they finish up on Thursday with

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Speaker 1: well the two final games of this year's regular season,

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Speaker 1: UM against the Browns and the Ravens. Matt, in terms

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Speaker 1: of the a f C North, Um, I got one

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Speaker 1: thing to throw at your first Okay, sure, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: because you're mentioning those bend games. And I hadn't planned

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Speaker 1: on doing this as an assignment or whatever, but I

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Speaker 1: was on Steelers dot com yesterday and there is a

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Speaker 1: link there you can you can click. It's well over

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Speaker 1: an hour long. Warning this is going to take a while.

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Speaker 1: Everyone of Ben's touchdown passes in order in his career.

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Speaker 1: And I watched like the first fifteen minutes or so,

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Speaker 1: and I decided I was going to look at it

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Speaker 1: as if I had never seen this player, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the very very early Ben. And I had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of observations and it was I just urged everyone

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Speaker 1: to do it. And I can even tell you some

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Speaker 1: of the things I saw. Let's let's hear the observations

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Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of our fans kind of

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Speaker 1: forget what he wants because I mean, it just in't

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Speaker 1: like that first fifteen twenty minutes, which is a lot

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Speaker 1: of touchdown passes. I understand it's a highlight date, but

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Speaker 1: these were some of the notes I jotted down. Was

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Speaker 1: a lot of messy fields, bad weather, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Hines feel old was not a cathedral at the beginning

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, the footing and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we always call him a mutter, but just

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Speaker 1: watching it again, everyone's his muddy jerseys in the fields

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Speaker 1: are really bad. Um, I will say, I mean the

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Speaker 1: not not all these are gonna be glowing positives because

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Speaker 1: you know, some of things you just remember what you

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Speaker 1: were more to remember. I put a note down saying

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Speaker 1: his arm strength is great, but not quite as great

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Speaker 1: as I remembered, but his touch was better than I remembered.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking of him as a power thrower.

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Speaker 1: Throw it through the door, I mean throw throw it

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Speaker 1: through a wall, yeah, I mean throwing. The throwing the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl to beat the Cardinals was was a combination

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Speaker 1: of both. I mean that's an arm strength throw and

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Speaker 1: a precision throw. When I talked to Todd Hailey last

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Speaker 1: week when Ben retired, Um, he said, he said that

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Speaker 1: throw and he was course on the cardinal sideline for

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Speaker 1: that one. He said that, you know, that throw was

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Speaker 1: one in five hundred, and to do it in that

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Speaker 1: situation under that kind of stress just showed you what

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, what kind of player Ben was. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, to to do that in again when you're

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Speaker 1: facing those kind of uh odds, Um, yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So um, My next question, man, is if if Ben Roethlisberger,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't done with my observation. I'm sorry I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to cut you off. There, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple other notes. Again, this is a positive

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Speaker 1: and a negative, but so few of those early touchdown

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Speaker 1: I mean especially early Ben. Like man, he just doesn't

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Speaker 1: always in balance, which is really rare for such a tall,

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Speaker 1: big Um. And then the last one, which begged some

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Speaker 1: questions for late career Ben, he was so good with

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Speaker 1: which I've been screaming about for five years. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just you know, I think as he matured he didn't

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Speaker 1: my observations. And I just forgot that. I did that

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Speaker 1: We talked to each other so often. You Ben Roethlisberger

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