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Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of

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Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they

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Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice

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Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I

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Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Meredith Monday Schwartz to Before Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Meredith is the CEO of Here Comes the Guide, a

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Speaker 1: wedding website, and is one of the brains behind the

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Speaker 1: Currently Reading podcast. So Meredith, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I've been reading your books forever and

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Speaker 2: I love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm so excited that we can have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: So tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you said, I wear a couple of different hats.

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Speaker 2: So I am the CEO of Here Comes the Guide.

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Speaker 2: We are forty four all women, and so we are

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Speaker 2: creating a company that we want to see more of

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Speaker 2: in the world, and we happened to be in the

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Speaker 2: wedding space, so I'm very very busy there. And then

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Speaker 2: also I do Currently Reading, which is a podcast about

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Speaker 2: books and reading. My partner Katie Cobb, and I have

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Speaker 2: been doing that for eight eight seasons now. I had

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Speaker 2: to stop and double check myself. We've been doing it

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Speaker 2: for eight seasons now, and we just it's the most

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Speaker 2: fun to be able to talk about the books that

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Speaker 2: were currently reading, whether we like them, didn't like them,

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Speaker 2: spicy opinions welcome, We just have a good time. So

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Speaker 2: it's a lot to balance, but it's all things that

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Speaker 2: are really meaningful to me.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. It's good to be

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Speaker 1: busy in life with things that we enjoy. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with Here Comes the Guide because you

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Speaker 1: guys kind of came on my radar many years ago,

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Speaker 1: as I know that you had transitioned to being a

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Speaker 1: mostly remote company prior to the pandemic. Now, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people discovered that as a situation and they had

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Speaker 1: to in twenty twenty, but you guys had done that

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Speaker 1: before that. So what led to that and how did

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Speaker 1: that come up?

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Speaker 2: So I have been at Here Comes the Guide actually

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Speaker 2: since I was twenty four years old, so back in

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Speaker 2: like literally pre internet day, so I've been at Here

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Speaker 2: Comes the Guide forever. But it started out which there

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Speaker 2: were just three of us. Now they're forty four of us.

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Speaker 2: I look at Here Comes the Guide as being a

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Speaker 2: massive experiment about creating a company that allows women to

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Speaker 2: have as much of it all as they can have,

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Speaker 2: so a career that's meaningful to them, where they can

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Speaker 2: see that they are doing really important work, and also

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Speaker 2: the ability to have a life. So this balance is

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Speaker 2: a really important thing to me. So we actually bought

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Speaker 2: out our founder in twenty seventeen, and at that point

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Speaker 2: I immediately said, we are becoming a fully distributed company

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Speaker 2: because it was clear to me we'd done a lot

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Speaker 2: of remote before then, mostly because we had some people

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Speaker 2: who worked for Here Comes the Guide. We were in Berkeley, California,

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Speaker 2: keep working for Here Comes the Guide. We had that

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Speaker 2: them being where they needed to live. And then I

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Speaker 2: really really enjoyed working from home myself, really works with

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Speaker 2: kind of my very introverted self. I love being a

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Speaker 2: to decompress when I need to. So when we took

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Speaker 2: so we have grown so much since then. We've gotten

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Speaker 2: really really good at hiring for remote positions, which is,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's a really intentional project in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: But we have found our sweet spot and we are

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, the pandemic was rough for weddings, but

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of layers to that. I think the

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Speaker 2: I hire, I am so not interested in micromanaging anybody.

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Speaker 2: If I can't trust you to do the work because

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Speaker 2: I hire from the mindset of people, if they care

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Speaker 2: where you mistrust your staff automatically makes people people When

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Speaker 2: they feel mistrusted, they automatically don't have the same level

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Speaker 2: Right, So there's again there's a lot of different elements

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Speaker 2: I'm not The result I'm looking for is to have

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Speaker 2: That to me is tracking the wrong thing. I do

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Speaker 2: So we absolutely have built in multiple layers of trust,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, let's talk a little bit about virtual

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Speaker 2: So from a meeting, we're just talking about meetings. Let

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Speaker 2: me start by saying I hate most meetings right, So

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we do is we do

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Speaker 2: how cheesy it sounds. Our group of women loves to

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Speaker 2: the work. So we enjoy spending time together. Whether it's virtually,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of connection that can happen virtually. Some

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Speaker 2: I challenge the notion that you can't connect virtually.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, We're going to take a quick ad break

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Speaker 1: and then I'll be back with more from Meredith Monday Schwartz. Well,

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Speaker 1: I am back talking with Meredith Monday Schwartz, who is

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Here Comes the Guide, a wedding website,

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Speaker 1: and is also one of the brains behind the Currently

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Speaker 1: Reading podcast. So, Meredith, listening to you and knowings we

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Speaker 1: your work over the years, I know you like to

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Speaker 1: get things done, So I want to pivot to talking

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Speaker 1: about your own personal productivity. Do you have any you

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Speaker 1: know we talk a lot about morning routines on this show.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any sort of morning routine in your

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Speaker 2: I absolutely do, And my morning routine has changed over

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Well maybe that's my goals for as soon

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Speaker 1: more from Meredith Monday Shorts. Well, I am back talking

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Speaker 1: with Meredith Monday. Schwartz is the CEO of Here Comes

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Speaker 1: Reading podcast. So how do you figure out what to

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Speaker 1: I love that. And what's something you're looking forward to

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Speaker 2: I am looking forward to my annual reading retreat in March.

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Speaker 2: Every year, me and three fantastic readers. We go for

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Speaker 2: like it's sort of tongue in cheek scheduling, but darned

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Speaker 2: if we don't stick to the schedule, which we put

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Speaker 2: and then we have lunch, and then we read and

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Reading with friends is a great way to boost the

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Speaker 1: enjoyment of reading. So, Meredith, where can people find you?

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Speaker 2: So you can find our show at currently Reading podcast

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Speaker 2: and you can find me at Meredith Monday Schwartz on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, Meredith, thank you so much for joining us.

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