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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It's Sam here with a quick little

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Speaker 1: show announcement. I'm doing my hour two more times in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California, on March twenty fourth and April first,

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Speaker 1: and there's actually quite a few tickets available for those

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Speaker 1: intimate little shows, So I would love if you guys

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Speaker 1: got tickets of those. That would make my life much

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Speaker 1: less humiliating. So see you there. Enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 2: Bye, No, it's not no, it's it's never the time

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Speaker 2: for racism.

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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts now.

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Speaker 3: This is an amazing start, and we're keeping that in.

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Speaker 1: We're keeping that in.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're not going to delete it like shape, like

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Speaker 4: the possibility of racism.

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Speaker 3: I want the possibility of racism to be sort of the.

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Speaker 2: Want everyone to think about what it was to be

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Speaker 2: in the room. Yeah, yeah, check off's gun. I thought

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Speaker 2: I was on therapist for checkof slur, checkof.

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Speaker 1: Slur, checkof slur. I mean, without further ado, he's already here.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the podcast, Jeremo Harris. Hello, and good afternoon, afternoon, Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: Do I not get to welcome back and welcome back,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Do you guys want or do you want

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Speaker 1: to erase that podcast. No, that is that is a

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Speaker 1: defining podcast that put us on the map.

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Speaker 3: Such a little queen. During that episode, do you remember

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Speaker 3: you were carrying your laptop around your like Paris hotel

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Speaker 3: room and smoking cigarettes while recording.

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Speaker 2: No, I remember deeply apologizing you did.

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Speaker 1: Also, that was a very beautiful, touching episode. We were

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Speaker 1: all on zoom.

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Speaker 3: It was we were all it was COVID Lockdown era,

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Speaker 3: and we had not quite It was like one of

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Speaker 3: the very early episodes we had not even quite figured

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Speaker 3: out like the rhythm of the podcast. Ye yeah, and

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Speaker 3: incomes jerem O. Harris and he apologizes for being your

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Speaker 3: high school boy.

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Speaker 1: It's true, and you know, things have been amazing ever since.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was just kind of crazy because I have

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Speaker 2: a lot of friends who are like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: do you watch listen to Tradio lovel Like I've been

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Speaker 2: on it and I've never heard of your episode. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I would like to think that that episode was a

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Speaker 2: major episode. It would be like in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I think it is in the Hall of Fame, But

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Speaker 3: it was before we had as many listeners as we

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Speaker 3: maybe later on. So it's a real niche holl of

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Speaker 3: Fame episode.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it is complicated because I in my mind

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Speaker 1: I think everyone has heard it. Yeah, but I agree,

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Speaker 1: Like I'll bring it up to people and they're like, what.

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Speaker 3: I would say in that era, you were basically doing

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Speaker 3: us a favor. You were like, let's have a phone call.

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Speaker 1: And then I thought I'd argue in most eras, you're

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Speaker 1: doing us a favor.

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Speaker 2: No. I still to this day think you guys are

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Speaker 2: way more famous because I think people who make people

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Speaker 2: laugh are more famous.

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Speaker 3: Well, now we are famous to but they weren't that.

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Speaker 3: Now we've had Kathy Griffin on your peer.

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Speaker 4: Wow, what are you on the d list with me?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Think it's time someone did occurrent my life on the

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Speaker 3: deal List and I want it to be like it's

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Speaker 3: like an aspiring influencer. Actually, this is something you could

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Speaker 3: potentially write and direct an aspiring influencer that like really

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Speaker 3: wants to be like a lifestyle influencer that is doing

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Speaker 3: my life on the deal list and is getting like

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Speaker 3: the worst most flop possible brand deals.

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Speaker 1: But it's so hard to tell because everyone is on

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Speaker 1: the deal List now, Like there's four people there's famous.

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Speaker 1: There's there's no a list unless you were famous in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. Yeah, Timothy shallow mate and Timothy maybe.

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Speaker 4: He's on the B list.

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Speaker 1: Now. Listen, Michael, I just kidding. You think Michael B.

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Speaker 1: Jordan is not a list?

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Speaker 4: No, Michael Jordan's aless he has an oscar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well that doesn't mean well, so does you

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Speaker 3: know Ariana DeVos?

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Speaker 4: I love Arianadvos.

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Speaker 2: And they on Twitter did their list of like who

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Speaker 3: Of best supporting Actress the last five to be clear,

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Speaker 1: Me and she's amazing in that film of course.

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Speaker 4: Good friend.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I can already tell this's gonna be

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Speaker 3: We can just be like we can. We can call

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm a flop. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I so when when you're you're Ariana Debos's close friend.

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Speaker 3: You guys like get brunch?

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Speaker 4: Did you was after that?

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Speaker 2: I think Arianna still has an outfit of mine from

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Speaker 2: because we we did you guys hook up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're both queer performers.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you go straight? Angela Bassett did the thing.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had. I talked to her about it

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Speaker 4: a lot, That's what I was. Yeah. No, but we are, No,

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Speaker 2: I mean again, the girls, the theater girls who make

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Speaker 4: Sarah Pigeon, Sarah Pigeon, She's she's on the fast track.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I saw the oa that blonde hair, and I said,

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Speaker 4: Are you? You're never going to brunette again.

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Speaker 1: I when I watch her, I'm like, I need to

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Speaker 4: Say I was gonna say this.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about Carolyn Bassett and I

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Speaker 2: definitely don't care about JFK.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know who the fuck they were, like kind of

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Speaker 2: need that, Like dayf K Junior died in a plane crash,

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Speaker 2: And honestly my biggest note for the show, Ryan, I

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Speaker 2: Like they keep going back to the plane, so it's

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Speaker 2: the thing? No, the Kennedy curse is the thing. The

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Speaker 2: But like all, there are so many more interesting deaths,

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Speaker 1: Yes, this thing is ski football?

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Speaker 3: About Rosemary Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: What's what happened to her?

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Speaker 4: Loomized? So I'm like why, but why is the show?

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Speaker 2: Like why is the show a like oh, like they

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Speaker 2: this family is cursed. In the episode when they go

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Speaker 4: Like we're gonna all go like like on the water

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's crazy that lean into that, yes,

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Speaker 4: Why he died.

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Speaker 3: Well, but it's complicated. The curse is complicated because on

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Speaker 3: the one hand, yes they're cursed, on the other hand,

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Speaker 3: but it is But like at every point they're like,

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Speaker 3: there's a huge rainstrum and guess what, you can't drive it.

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Speaker 3: And then we need prep for the Kennedy the disasters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got to the I got to the Battery

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Speaker 4: This is who I am.

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Speaker 3: Well, the big secret is that neither of them is

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Speaker 3: challenge for the Ryan Murphy team to make a show

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Speaker 3: about them, because they are just two stunning, beautiful, gorgeous

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Speaker 4: And also a coke head and also a.

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Speaker 1: Coked which I think adds so much texture. I like

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, that is a thing that's interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: All I will say is whatever version of Carolyn was

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Speaker 2: said little miss Sarah Pigeon is playing, I want to

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Speaker 2: Do you know how mean I was to my fiance

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Speaker 3: Now, now you've been engaged for fifteen years, what's going on there?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: So I really believe in long engagements?

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Speaker 2: Really, yes, yes, tell me why I think that, Like,

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, and the potential it's like the the right

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Speaker 3: well where from here? You don't want to go? Angelast,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to No.

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Speaker 4: I think that one of the things.

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Speaker 2: I like, we own an apartment together, okay, we own

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Speaker 2: art together, right, Like those are already like sort of

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Speaker 3: And you own a big cause statue that's like Mikey

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Speaker 3: mout you and that's like in your entryway.

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Speaker 4: We actually we actually have something that's like gay enviable.

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Speaker 4: We have a Salmon tour.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So when did he become the hot the hot

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Speaker 3: gay guy on set?

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Speaker 4: Because I a couple of years ago. You guys can't

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Speaker 3: It's like every cover salmontur every like you know, sort

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Speaker 2: The film Joyland. Yea salmontor painting. Yeah, he's the best. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you have a Salmonary I'm sure we have Jonath

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Speaker 2: Linden Chase.

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Speaker 4: Wow yeaheah three we have some good art anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I read Afrobrians or or I'm going to

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Speaker 3: And you read that while in prison.

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Speaker 3: So have you released the reading list, the Jeremi Oharis

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's I guess, you know, it used

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Speaker 4: Because it's fat.

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Speaker 3: Don't hear about him anymore?

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Speaker 2: You hear about him running. We love that he runs

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Speaker 1: No, he's the real deal.

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Speaker 4: Claire and the Sun is so fucking good. I like that.

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Speaker 4: Who was like gag? I was like gag, can't wait

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's help his wife for you to or plays Clara.

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Speaker 2: like at the the Vanity Fair party? Now stunning, unrecognizable.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I thought people are good. I agree, I don't know

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Speaker 4: Are people just christ dinner?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what it? Well? Yeah, well that's a

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Speaker 3: But I also think people are like excited to be

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Speaker 3: Vanity Fair is a gay guy, and I think people

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Speaker 1: Well, right, they're.

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Speaker 3: That's really and you've really learned your lesson. Now you're

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Speaker 1: So when they're like, hey, guess what you're going to prison,

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Speaker 2: not even kidding. I legitimately kept thinking like, but you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it sounds like they were sort of like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: In investigator Crazy, I didn't get to make a call

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Speaker 4: No, you don't get to make a call. That is crazy.

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Speaker 3: How do people know to visit you?

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Speaker 4: Well, they found me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was practicing like Japanese police did the thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what she put it. That's how she put

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, I need to speak to a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, you don't get a lawy. I was like,

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Speaker 3: They had to invest So I'm sorry if you hadn't

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say there for twenty three days, because

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Speaker 3: But your sentence was twenty three days because I read

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Speaker 2: Oh but I they get to investigate you for twenty

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Speaker 2: You get arrested, they have seventy two hours to have

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Speaker 4: It's like, here are your charges. What did you do?

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Speaker 4: They were like, no, you aren't.

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Speaker 3: You're like interesting perspective.

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Speaker 4: That's weird.

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Speaker 2: And then they sent me to the the prosecutor. I'm

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Speaker 4: I thought that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, listen, babe, like, obviously this isn't mine.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, I went to this thing

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Speaker 2: We go to the next the next day, I go

446
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 2: meet up with the judge, which also it's its own

447
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,760
Speaker 2: sort of like I'm writing about all this like for

448
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 2: people to read. But like it was like this really weird,

449
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,720
Speaker 2: like sort of like adult Swim episode. It felt like

450
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 2: because like again, everything in Japan was like like like

451
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,440
Speaker 2: their their height of technology is two thousand and four.

452
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 4: Maybe this video was made in nineteen ninety seven.

453
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like because they're all hardware, right, they never made

454
00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 2: like software. Oh so it's like Sony, it's like you

455
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 2: know all these like you know, the TVs and shit

456
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 2: and all the technology like that like houses stuff, but

457
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 2: they didn't like like get better software. They just sort

458
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,240
Speaker 2: of like stopped there. And so they put in like

459
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,200
Speaker 2: a laser disc into like this thing. And I watched

460
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 2: the videos, like so you've been arrested. This is what happened.

461
00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 2: It was like this like they acted out and it's

462
00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,280
Speaker 2: like it's so crazy. So you have to watch this video.

463
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 2: Then you go and you figure, you sit and you

464
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 2: talk to a judge. The judge is like, so the

465
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 2: prosecutor has recommended that you that you have to stay

466
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,160
Speaker 2: for nine days because also you meet up with the judge.

467
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 2: In those seventy two hours, and then he decides if

468
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 2: you have to stay for nine days so they can

469
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 2: investigate you. I'm thinking, She' like we're throwing this out.

470
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: This isn't a real case. He was like, she decided

471
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,040
Speaker 2: that you need to be investigated immediately. She also thinks

472
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 2: that you are a threat, and so you shouldn't have visitors.

473
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 2: I said, say, what.

474
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 3: If your crime is drug smuggling, which again you're innocent of.

475
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 3: How would you be a threat inside a jail.

476
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 2: Because maybe my drug smuggling friends are outside and I'm

477
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: whispering things to them about where other drugs are, who,

478
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, whatever the thing is, you know. And I

479
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 2: was like, this is ridiculous, Like she knows that I

480
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 2: wear the way by I had a Tory Birch purse

481
00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 2: with me.

482
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,400
Speaker 4: I have.

483
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 3: Certainly never met anyone in love who has done drugs.

484
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 4: Not that I that's one of the things I love

485
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 4: the most about.

486
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 2: No, it's for sober people, said Spanish, and I was

487
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: like okay, and he was like, tell me about yourself,

488
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was a Japanese literature minor,

489
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: like I really love Japan.

490
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: Like and I'm like, I mean, talk about gay guy.

491
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 3: You think you're gonna charm them by saying you were

492
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 3: a Japanese literature mind.

493
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 2: Guess what I did. Guess what I did? He said

494
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: you were who were your favorite writers? And I said, okay,

495
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: let's go down the list. You said, I hate Cough

496
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: on the Shore, said, Kintersborough Away is one of my

497
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 2: favorite writers ever. I was like, you give me wins

498
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: in the background on my phone for a decade. He

499
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: wasn't impressed by those. He's like those are we all

500
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: know those? And then I was like, you know, convenience

501
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: for one, that's one of my favorite books. Earthlings changed

502
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: my life, like you know, I love and he was like,

503
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: that's my favorite book. And he and I had this

504
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: whole connection about this one writer. And I was like,

505
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm reading this book right now. My friends just brought

506
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 2: it to me.

507
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 4: It's by.

508
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: Zumi Suzuki. It's called Gifted. He was like, she just

509
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 2: won a prize two years ago. I haven't read that

510
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,719
Speaker 2: one yet. And he's like, you know what you get

511
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: visitors and this person is the judge is a judge, Yes,

512
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: the judge. You're having the books talk, You're you are

513
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: recommending books, You're getting a you're getting a social justice

514
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: reading list to the judge.

515
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, wow, and he I think liked me.

516
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: He gave me, he gave me visitors again, unlike the

517
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: mean prosecutor lady with the bob. And then I got

518
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: nine days. And after those nine days, they get she

519
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 2: can choose to opt in too, because you go and

520
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 2: meet with her every day every other day. And and

521
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: the guy who's investigating you.

522
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 4: Who was really hot nice.

523
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: The guy who investigated me was very hot, so I

524
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: like talking to him sure, and he he like yeah,

525
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: So we would talk. And then at the end of

526
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: that week, they were like, so you had to say

527
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: nine more days because we tell him gotten all your

528
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 2: tests back.

529
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, what do you mean you haven't

530
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 4: gotten on my test back?

531
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: Right the drug test you asked for us to give

532
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: you on the day first day, we still haven't gotten back.

533
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: Because it's Japan, everything's analog. It takes two weeks. And

534
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: I was like what, so, like you had to say

535
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 2: nine more days, and I realized it's just like kind

536
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 2: of their tactic, like you stay like they're going to

537
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: keep you for twenty three days if you get arrested

538
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: for drugs.

539
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: So here's my question. When it was reported in the

540
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: New York Times. Did your team, like, did you want

541
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: it to be published so that people would know?

542
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: No, here's what happened. So I told them the first

543
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 2: day they arrest me, I said, drug test me. Those

544
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: aren't mine. Okay, I promise you they're not mine. Drug

545
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: test me. They drug tested me. It was negative. They

546
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: went through my entire phone over twenty three days. Nothing

547
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: was in it. It was like chill, and they basically

548
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: had no case. It seemed like they could have still

549
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: charged me if they wanted to, but they didn't. And

550
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: I think that because there was no evidence to like

551
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: really stick anything on me. Their way of getting back

552
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: to me from the customs agent and the prosecutor was

553
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: to release a press release.

554
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: Was my full name in it?

555
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: Because I know there are so like over I was

556
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: there for twenty two days. I saw everyone that came

557
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: in left out, and like you know, I was putting

558
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: the cell and you couldn't talk between selves.

559
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: There was a cell.

560
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: There was like a guy who kept trying to talk

561
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: to me, who spoke English, who was Taiwanese, and then

562
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: there was another guy who's in there who was like

563
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: French English who trying to talk to me, I knew

564
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: he was gay.

565
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 4: He had AUSI bum underwear on.

566
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god, jail and see AUSSI bum underway.

567
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: I was like, that guy's gay.

568
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: He's like six or five British with a French accent,

569
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: like definitely like whoa, yeah, you're you're you're turned on

570
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: a little. Yeah. He he was there and so I

571
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: clocked him. And then there was another guy who was

572
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: really hot who was in the other end, who I

573
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: asked one dy, like do you play basketball?

574
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 4: Because he was like really tall. He's like no.

575
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: Turns out that guy who's in the other cell and

576
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: the ousie one guy.

577
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: Our husbands, Oh, oh my god, arrested together.

578
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and they told me because they DM me when

579
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: I when they got out, they're like, sorry, this happened

580
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: to you. They got more time than I did, Like

581
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot more time.

582
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: How much time?

583
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 4: Like more?

584
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to put all their business out today.

585
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: No one knows who they are so recognized you yeah, yeah,

586
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: because like they googled, like and yeah, I don't know

587
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: how they knew who I was, but yeah, you're like

588
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: google me exactly.

589
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: No, No, I mean I.

590
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: Guess I guess like it was because I told my

591
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: cellmates because my fiance sent me pictures and they were

592
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: like there was one funny day. So I became really

593
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 2: good friends of my cell mates, Tomo and Rookie, and

594
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: they did not speak. They spoke like very little English.

595
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: But Tomo I was showing him my pictures and he's like, oh,

596
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: these are so cool.

597
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: And he was like who is this man? Is his

598
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: best friend?

599
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, And it was like

600
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: more and more pictures of us, like hugging, hugging, saying,

601
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: and he was like best friend.

602
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: I was like, no, fiance.

603
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: There was a woman blurred out in the background and

604
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: Rookie was like that fiance.

605
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: I said, no, this is my fiance.

606
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: And then they were like and then there was a

607
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: picture of me like at an opening or something. They're like,

608
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: very rich man. I'm not gonna you the accent. That

609
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: would be not good. They're a very rich men. And

610
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: I said no, and they said what do you do?

611
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: I told them my work place and then they asked

612
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: if they could read them, so I told them my

613
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: name is so one of That's how they found out.

614
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 4: I don't really know how they found out. Anyway, they

615
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 4: messaged me and.

616
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: Told me that she really threw the book at every

617
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: single person that got out after me, like all of them,

618
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: she threw the book at they can't come back to

619
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: Japan for five, five to ten years maybe longer. And

620
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: she released a press release and didn't say their names.

621
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: So I'm the only one they released. The press release

622
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: was like my full names like Bob woman, Bob woman. Yeah,

623
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: so wow, it's interesting.

624
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 4: You know. My punishment was that, like I would be

625
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: globally shamed.

626
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Do you think she's jealous of you for going to

627
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: the Love Dinner? Maybe because she's kind of like a

628
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: fashion girl.

629
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's dreamed of fashion her whole I think.

630
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: She has a bob she recognized Lev. She's saying, I'm

631
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: sorry this f sler gets to go and not me.

632
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that might be. But I have a

633
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: bob that might be a wow.

634
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: Okay, there's just so much jealousy in this world.

635
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: We found another headline about you. Jeremi O. Harris drunkenly

636
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: called open Ayes Sam Altman a Nazi at the Vanity

637
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: Fair Oscar party.

638
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: Were false.

639
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 2: I wasn't that drunk, okay, And I didn't call him

640
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: a Nazi. I said, are you excited about being remembered

641
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: as like basically the gobals of the lot support.

642
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: I meant to say, frick, but.

643
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: And did you was there context or did you just

644
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: go up to him and say.

645
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: That we had been there all day?

646
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: And I felt like a sort of like he like

647
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: I was being asked to consent to like a sort

648
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: of politic at a party that I did not consent to.

649
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: And I felt like, you know, after watching Paul Thomas

650
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: Anderson win so many oscars, I had to like channel

651
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: my interview on Apple and say, you know, kick me

652
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: under the table.

653
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: You won't. I won't shut up. I won't shut up.

654
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: So after all these years, you're still bullying gay guys.

655
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: I am a yeah, oh wow, I should talk to

656
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: him about this. I did go up to him at

657
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: the middle of a party while I was talking to

658
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: a famous gay guy and said, I have something to say.

659
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, it's like about time, Like it's so weird

660
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: that he's not bullied.

661
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: No, it's weird that so many people who are actively

662
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: destroying the world are just there and everyone's just sort

663
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: of like completely And the thing I will say about like,

664
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: you know, at least bezos brings Lauren around, because Lauren,

665
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: that's a look, there's something going on there.

666
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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, you.

667
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

668
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: It's so camp. And also he at least owns a

669
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: television company.

670
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I was shocked that Sam Altman was invited.

671
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: What is the tea?

672
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: You don't just talk to listen, you know what? Here's

673
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: the actually the thing I will say. I talked to

674
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: Mark about this, I said, I basically said, like, I

675
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: get it for your magazine, right, like like me, me

676
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: being in the same room as as Sam Altman, like

677
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: was bound to make something interesting happen.

678
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: It's a vibe.

679
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: It's a vibe.

680
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: It's a vibe, and it's like again, I think that

681
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: like if you are in the in the failing like

682
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: you know, publications business, and like your party is like

683
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: the main source of like income and attention for your

684
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: for this global brand every year, why not bring someone

685
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: who's like, you know, causing a genocide to a party

686
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: full of artists of what happens and see what happens,

687
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: and like, you know, I know other people were like

688
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: dying to say things. I think that, like maybe I

689
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: said this to my friends. I think a lot of times,

690
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: black people are always the first one to get to

691
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: get themselves in trouble in these situations. We love to

692
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: be like we're all going to do a thing right,

693
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, yeah, yeah, you go do it.

694
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: All of these.

695
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: People, all the rest of the people that were around

696
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: there with you, they're they're tweeting about how they hate AI,

697
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: but then in the moment they're like, oh my god,

698
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: I love when you did the you know, when I

699
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: did like Simpson's animation style selfie of myself using chat GVT.

700
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Earth's a kid maybe, like you know,

701
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: like how a kid like like you know, popped off

702
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: at Ladybird Johnson and like then was blacklisted, Like I

703
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: do wander if I'm putting myself in one of those situations.

704
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: I doubt it though, because like again, like who the

705
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: fuck cares like like blacklists me from what like like well,

706
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: like basically like Warner Brothers is being bought by a

707
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: fucking like like insane person who's in the pocket of

708
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: the president. The AI company he had he this guy

709
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: owns is like one of many that are draining all

710
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: the water from our country and also bombing like half

711
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: of the helping the Department of War bomb half of

712
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: the Middle East, Like we kind of have nothing to

713
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: live for right now, and if we aren't throwing rocks

714
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: at people like that, if we are still trying to

715
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: like save a like access to like five pennies, then

716
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: like we might as well just like all kill ourselves,

717
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: which also what I told him. I was like, I

718
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: don't know why you haven't killed like why you can't

719
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: why you how you can look in the mirror every

720
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: day knowing that your technology might be used to like

721
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: blow up another one hundred and seventy seven girls and

722
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: haven't already decided to kill yourself.

723
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: And he said to you, yeah, wow, that's awesome.

724
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: And he said to he said, like sort of robotically,

725
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: he was like, well, I don't want to kill myself.

726
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Actually, I really believe in the rule of law.

727
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: And for me, you know, I don't think any company

728
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: should be bigger than the government, and many of many

729
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: companies have worked with the government government.

730
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Speaker 4: It was really crazy.

731
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: So you really had a back and forth.

732
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was really trying to like cause I

733
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, listen, like again, another reason

734
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going up to Jeff Bezos is like I

735
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: can't talk to him gay to gay right, like he's

736
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: doing that thing with Lauren. I don't know what that is.

737
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: I like to look at it. I'm like, this is

738
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: crazy to look at I will watch from the side,

739
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: but like another gay guy, I can I think I

740
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: can go and talk to I know a lot of

741
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: us have the tism. I can navigate the tism. Whatever

742
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: he has is something beyond that. Yeah, And it was

743
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: so like it's like, you know, even when I talked

744
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: to him about greed, he was like, I don't have

745
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: very much money.

746
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Speaker 4: I was like you literally do you literally do?

747
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: You were like, like unequivocally one of the most powerful

748
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: people in the world right now, and you were telling

749
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: me that, like you had no power to say no

750
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: to the president when Anthropic did. And then he was like,

751
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: so you care more about Claude than you like Claude more.

752
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying. I'm like, I don't like

753
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 4: any of you.

754
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: None of you should exists, none of you should be

755
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: working to people.

756
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: All of your heads are quitting.

757
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 2: I mean, like, hey, guys, I think we just like

758
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: created the atomic bomb, but like five billion times worse.

759
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Sorry about it, gonna go read for five years before

760
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: it's all over, So go ahead.

761
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm first of all, I just want to say,

762
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm that's so cool. I'm so glad you like said something.

763
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: Also, I wanted to be known. I didn't tell the

764
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: New York Post about it. I didn't like need this

765
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: to come out. I wasn't like, I wasn't like, like,

766
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: you guys know that this is booked weeks before. It

767
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: wasn't like I was like, I'm gonna go to Stradio

768
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: Lab and I'm gonna set the record straight now.

769
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: Literally, it's just something that happened.

770
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also not gonna shy away from talking about

771
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: it because I'm like, why the fuck would I? But

772
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: because I want other people to do this at more parties.

773
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing.

774
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I was so confused as to how people are so

775
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: close to these psychopaths and like, don't do anything.

776
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean obviously easier said than done. I mean that

777
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: is quite literally, what's the panna or end the banal?

778
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: That's literally what the banality of evil, yes is And

779
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: I actually it's funny. I'm actually clocking in myself that

780
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: my reaction, like other sort of libs is quote unquote

781
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: why was he invited? But I think you're absolutely right

782
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: that he should be invited, and then more people should

783
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: create drama like that. The whole point is like, yes,

784
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: if he's invited and then he's treated like any foreign dignitary,

785
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: then nothing is stopping him from going to these parties.

786
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: But what if he's invited and you know, Kate Blanchette

787
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: punches him in the face.

788
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be huge, That would.

789
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: Be great, and you could probably make it happen.

790
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could ask her because you're working with her friend, yeah,

791
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: another friend, love her down so and also and also

792
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: that would be also crazy of me.

793
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: Right.

794
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: I just did a show with Kate Blanchett where I

795
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: told her you had to take to the streets. Like look,

796
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: I wrote for her to say to an audience, La Philharmonic,

797
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: take to the streets. Do not stand idle, like awaken

798
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: your sacrum and do something anything, scream right, because like

799
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: it was about Egmont who got like fucking martyr for

800
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: like trying to stand up like as the inquisition was happening,

801
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: And for me to like write that and be like,

802
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: well my work here is done, you know, it would

803
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: have made the thing that again another thing that Sam

804
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: said to me, I'm not this sad said to me.

805
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: He was like, well, you.

806
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Could be outside protesting, but it said you're at this party.

807
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: And I said, and I said, I protested my work.

808
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: I protested my work, and like and again, if I would,

809
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: if I were to make me someone who's like writing

810
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: work that's saying this at the La Philharmonic, I would

811
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: be potentially speaking to the crowd except for the five

812
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: people every night that walked out discussed it.

813
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Also, you're accosting the CEO that is pro that's so

814
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: he wanted to protest without him being physically involved. He's like, hello,

815
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: protest on the street, here's my card.

816
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: Exactly. It's exactly so crazy.

817
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: I can't believe he hit you with a like why

818
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: aren't you posting more defense?

819
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: That is so crazy.

820
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: And also this is the other thing I want to

821
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: sell my friends who just post like I got in

822
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: trouble for by a lot of people. Are you didn't

823
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: post about this enough? You didn't post about that enough?

824
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Guess what, guys? I was literally at dinners with C

825
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: C A A heads being like, why don't you care

826
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: about outside? Literally actually factually like I and I felt

827
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: like I could do better work talking to people irl

828
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: about like a global crisis that actually is really close

829
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: to people's politic and really close to like how they

830
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: grew up, how they see their identity. Like it isn't

831
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: just like black and white. It's not like conceptual for

832
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: some people. It is like their lived experience. And I

833
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: think I made a lot more headway with certain people

834
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: by talking to them and leaning in over dinner than

835
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: I would have posting things.

836
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's like the entire defense from kind of like

837
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: out of touch powerful people is like why join the

838
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: woke mob when we should be having conversations with people

839
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: we disagree with or whatever. Yeah, and so it's sort

840
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: of like, okay, well let's have those conversations.

841
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: But it's going to be a little awkward.

842
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're gonna have to kind of, you know,

843
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: eat the crembrulet with a little clenched jaw while I

844
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: explain to you what's going on. Damn, you're like thanksgivifying

845
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: every event.

846
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Speaker 1: I love that.

847
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: Well, I do think. I don't know.

848
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: I think that I I'm a Gemini double Gemini, also

849
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: a cancer Mars.

850
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: We're both cancers.

851
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I feel for a lot of people.

852
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I can see every side of every argument,

853
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: and I do think that, Like I am like my

854
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: friend Rossa bat Moongoley.

855
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: She was a big fan, Yeah, big fan. Once we

856
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: on the pod.

857
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: We would love to have him him on the pod.

858
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: I heard a long time ago. I heard a story

859
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: about him. I know who introduced him to the podcast

860
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: and they listened to it in the car.

861
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: Really, yes, I shared.

862
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: My nudes with him on scruff you did well, we're

863
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: keeping that in.

864
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 4: Did he like it?

865
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: He responded with like nice? He responded exclamation address. Well,

866
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't really looking. I was just like, well, frost

867
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: to marass.

868
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: Whatever.

869
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: He's a foundational gay guy. It's like like without him,

870
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: he's he really is, uh, you know, the the the

871
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Harvey Milk of.

872
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: All gay guys and that way.

873
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: So what what is Ed DROSTI.

874
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: Well, ed Dross is sort of the Lucien the Sigmund Freud.

875
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: Because he's now a therapist.

876
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: I think you might be retired.

877
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I know I saw that too. Well.

878
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, being a psychoanalyst for gay guys is like

879
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: a hobby you can kind of pick up and put

880
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: back down. It's like our birthright, like I am in

881
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: some ways a psychoanalyst.

882
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: That's what we're doing.

883
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: Do it like I can practice if I want to

884
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: or not?

885
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: A podcast that all the girlies are going to. Now

886
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: I think she's Freud's granddaughter.

887
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, let's talk about her. You don't want to

888
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: talk you don't. I'm not friends with her. We can

889
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: talk about it.

890
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: Do you know about this? No?

891
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: Well I Belafreud. Yeah, I have beef with belafreyd. What

892
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: is your beef?

893
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: Let it out?

894
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, say, one interesting thing, challenge. You're related to

895
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: Sigmund Freud and Lucian Freud, two of the like true

896
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: geniuses of the twentieth century, and you're releasing crew necks

897
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: that say, like, slay on them. That's your contribution to society.

898
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: And then you're getting luminaries on your podcast and not

899
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: asking them a single interesting question. And somehow, by the way,

900
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: she did an ad for.

901
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: Claude, she did up.

902
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: She did spunk on friend Thropic. But I'm not even

903
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: gonna go there. Ask your friend. Kately and Chet went

904
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: on the podcast one of the best you've.

905
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: Got, asked her something interesting. Yeah, you're Bella Freud.

906
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Bet but I bet it was really comfortable for well,

907
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: that's the I think that one of the things that

908
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: was the purpus of sixty year.

909
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Old bab what a sentence.

910
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: Kate does love to lie. She loves the sprawl.

911
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: What do you mean, like like I think if there

912
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: if there was a bed here and Kate was here.

913
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh oh, this is actually like the famous person thing.

914
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: If you like a true famous person, you can tell

915
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: because they will like get like this. Likely there will

916
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: be people standing that want a seat and they will

917
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: not move an inch. I have had the famous people

918
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: sit on my fucking couch and like sit up, like

919
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: more people need to sit down.

920
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: You know. Kate has a way of sitting that looks

921
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: so comfortable, so relaxed, so free.

922
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: She also apparently Kate, I love you.

924
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: I know this is God for someone else. But apparently

925
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: after we did our show in Palm Springs, Rossam was

926
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: staying with me in the house.

927
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: I rented, and she had she had lunch with my friend.

928
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: The next day.

929
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: She's like, I met so, I met Rostam very lovely.

930
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming he's the boyfriend when the husband's away.

931
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 4: Which I thought was it was like two OK, Like

932
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: I love that as a.

933
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: Way of like understanding, like you know, like open relationships queerness.

934
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: He is not the boyfriend when the husband's away.

935
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: But it was very cute that she like had that

936
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: thought and didn't say it.

937
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: To us, you know, was very nice.

938
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a mom.

939
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, should we talk you have a let's talk

940
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: about the movie. Yeah? When is it coming out?

941
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: By the way, April seventeenth.

942
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: That's crazy when our last guest movie is also coming out.

943
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: You're literally in competition.

944
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: We're not in competition. It's an erupsia blue hair, blue hair, blue.

945
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: Blue up. They're calling us blue upsy.

946
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: We can also Mild and Kicks comes out that day.

947
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: There's another movie that comes out that day. Oh, Mother

948
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: Mary comes out that day. Yeah, another Charlie x X movie.

949
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: Sort of.

950
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: So Charlie XCX is in this film, and she plays

951
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: a normal girl. She does such a good job as

952
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: far as bisexuals can be normal.

953
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: Is she bisexual?

954
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: What it seemed like it to me?

955
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, you got a question, Well, how did

956
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: you train her to be normal?

957
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: I think that that was the power of our director.

958
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: Our director's really good at just being like, hey, don't

959
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: do that to his direction. Style is like the most

960
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: radical directions I've ever had, because he's just someone who

961
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: says no, just like less yeah, not not just less.

962
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't like that.

963
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: Was Charlie just trying to like power walk holding a

964
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: purse around the exactly No.

965
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: But I also think she was ready to be normal

966
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: and she was like she was like like, let's take

967
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: the makeup off. She said, let's pull the hair down,

968
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: let's just let's just walk and talk.

969
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: And it was really weird because it was like in

970
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 4: this it was like like.

971
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: All the brad stuff was out and she was about

972
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: to go on tour, so it was like this really

973
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: weird pocket of time where I think, like the first

974
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: day we were on stet, like I think the bear

975
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: the Barry calling Barry, I don't I don't know him.

976
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 4: I never met that one. Why is that Obama? Oh

977
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: the Barrier.

978
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: The Barry Obama list came out that day that was

979
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: like her song is on it, like the first day Rooms,

980
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is crazy. She's like I know,

981
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I was like, Oh, You're in a

982
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: really crazy spot. She was also like editing the remix

983
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: album like while she was like while she wasn't on set.

984
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: It's does he sleep? How do they come together?

985
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: Like?

986
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: How how long did you guys film like this? How

987
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: did you do this?

988
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so so much happened. It's like some heartbreaking stuff happened.

989
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: Like it's like a really it's an impossible situation. So

990
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Pete and I were in town because we made a

991
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: documentary together. We had also made another movie together the

992
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: year before that doc was about to premiere at Tribeca.

993
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: He was hanging out in my neighborhood. It was like

994
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: three o'clock. We've been talking about like other movies we've

995
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: been making, and we were I was like, let's go

996
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: to Clanistina, go to Clandasino. We're getting drunk in walks

997
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: like fresh from Brooklyn, like them when she did that,

998
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: like like three six, like whatever party in Brooklyn, fresh

999
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: off of that day. Charlie comes into Clandastina.

1000
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: Wait, coincidentally or you invited her?

1001
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: No?

1002
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: Coincidentally?

1003
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: Wow, Charlie Clandestino.

1004
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Charlie be going out in Dimes Square. So

1005
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: I was like Charlie like fear me. And you know,

1006
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: like when you have a friend who's like straight, maybe

1007
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: like different, like you know, like just like a different vibe,

1008
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: you like really big up.

1009
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: Them to your new friend so that.

1010
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: Like the vibes aren't awkward, like so you aren't just

1011
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: talking to the new friend who's like famous or whatever.

1012
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: So I was like, Charlie, meet Pete.

1013
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: Pete is amazing, He's the greatest, like filmmak blahlah blah,

1014
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: And I was like really trying to work this out

1015
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: really hard. What I forgot is that like cool girls

1016
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: love like guys with a little tism, you know, sure

1017
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 2: like they love a straight guy's little tism. So I'm thinking,

1018
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: like I've like really tried to make a new relationship happen.

1019
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: I come back. They there, it's there. It's like explosion,

1020
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: like I'm invisible now, like there's I don't exist. They're

1021
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: talking about.

1022
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: Indie movies, like old movies, like.

1023
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: Future movies, and somehow in the midst of this like

1024
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, hour long, like you know, we're just throwing

1025
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: them back. At the end of this night, she said,

1026
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch your movie tomorrow, but I'm down to

1027
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: come to Poland in August to shoot for two weeks

1028
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: because all of Pete's movies are done mathematic. He shoots them,

1029
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: or at least for now, it's called the He has

1030
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: a style called Table of Bubbles.

1031
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: Right.

1032
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: He's made six movies in the style. He used to

1033
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: be a computer programmer, but he also always loved making movies,

1034
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: And after he made his first film in like sort

1035
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: of the normal way, he was like, I hate this.

1036
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: And during twenty twenty he was like, what if I

1037
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: just start doing something? Like I don't want to keep

1038
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: waiting to make movies. I don't want to keep having permission.

1039
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: What do I mean movies just based on what I

1040
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: have at my disposal. Like I can rent a house

1041
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: on Airbnb for two weeks. I have four actors that

1042
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: I can write this thing for. I have it half

1043
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: an outline. What if every day we write three scenes,

1044
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: If three scenes are three minutes each, for twelve days,

1045
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: you have a seventy five minute movie.

1046
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: Like that's the math. Like that's the thing. I'm going

1047
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: to do it.

1048
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the crew of one and edit

1049
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: it myself. They did it with The first movie was

1050
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: called Jessica. I did very well south By and or Not.

1051
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: That wasn't the first one. That was the third one,

1052
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: but second one. Fuck anyway, whatever, I'm getting them, getting

1053
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: them mixed up anyway. He created the system. He told

1054
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: her about the system. She really liked the system. She

1055
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: was like, I can make a movie in that timeframe,

1056
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: in that way with you in Poland. If it's these

1057
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: two weeks. He says, yes, We're like great, Like, let's

1058
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: find the money to make this. The reason was in

1059
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: Poland because he'd been living in Poland with a girlfriend

1060
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: this time straight director listen, straight people need representation, too, true,

1061
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: and so he wanted to make a sort of love

1062
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: letter to the city he'd been living in and like

1063
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: making sense of And then in June and Pete forgive

1064
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: me if I got the month wrong, tragedy struck and

1065
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: his father, who was incredibly healthy, had a freak accident

1066
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: and passed away.

1067
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: And I was like.

1068
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think we're gonna be able to make

1069
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: this movie anymore. Like this is crazy, Like take your time,

1070
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: do whatever. Also, we're seeing like Charlie on every like

1071
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 2: every screen you.

1072
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: Pull up, it's just Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

1073
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't even know if it's

1074
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: we possibly heard to be here, like if we're talking

1075
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: to our team, like that's feeling more like, you know,

1076
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: big and crazy and I'm like, I don't know.

1077
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: He's like, no, my.

1078
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: Dad would be really happy if I made this, like

1079
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: you would be very upsetif I didn't do this. Like

1080
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: my dad was someone who made things. My mom is

1081
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: someone who makes things. Like they love that I make things.

1082
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna keep making this thing. So despite everything

1083
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: that was going on, somehow we all ended up in

1084
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: Poland on the day we said we would end up there.

1085
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Charlie and I stayed at the Nobu Warsaw. Shout out

1086
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: Noble Warsaw for giving us really cheap, really free rooms.

1087
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: You guys are the best. If you ever go to

1088
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: Warsaw see it Noble Warsaw. I'm not contractually obligated to

1089
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: say that, but I will hope. Also shout out Airbnb,

1090
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: we love you too. Might be contracted say that. So

1091
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna try to lift them up.

1092
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: But uh we yeah, we we did it. We did it.

1093
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: You know we start the first day is the best

1094
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: day because that's today. You had to figure out your character,

1095
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: like we all. We've drawn these characters over the last

1096
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: couple of weeks to get in this notes sapp with

1097
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: him where it's like I'm gonna play Claude, She's gonna

1098
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: play Bethany, like you know, we're gonna Will's rob Leanta is.

1099
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: Now like we're figuring out our dynamics. We're doing zooms together,

1100
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: and it's all like sort of like a really advanced

1101
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: cinematic devising process. And the first day is the first

1102
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: day we meet our characters, right, So we go to

1103
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: all these different like vintage stops, we put on all

1104
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: the clothes, we figure out how these people dress, how

1105
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: they live in Warsaw. And then every day, either that

1106
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: morning or that night, sometimes in the middle of the day,

1107
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: we are writing our scenes and figuring out the story

1108
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: together and building it together. And it's kind of like

1109
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: having like a roving writer's room.

1110
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: And Charlie, Charlie is involved. Yeah.

1111
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1112
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: Like the reason that that, like spoiler alert, we read

1113
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: a poem in the movie. The reason that poem is

1114
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: read in the movie is because when she and I

1115
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: were at the Soho Farmhouse for like the GQ Man

1116
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: of the Year like celebration or whatever, she commuted to

1117
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: your celebration.

1118
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: Different than you yourself different British Q.

1119
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: Also Adam coming over to America so happy editorgy with

1120
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: British Q coming to America.

1121
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: We love him.

1122
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: Wait, he's in her room, yes where when she walked in,

1123
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: this poem was was being read over the thing and

1124
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: she was like, this feels like it's the movie. And

1125
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: so then she had it to depete on her last day.

1126
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm leaving. I think I should. We

1127
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: were like, I think it's the poem. She's like, I

1128
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: think it's a poem. So we wrote that into the

1129
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: movie that day.

1130
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: WHOA.

1131
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: But like, you know, the movie is about coincidence and

1132
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: this process about is about coincidence. And I think that

1133
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: because there was so much feeling going into this moment,

1134
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: because it was about the town he was in, because

1135
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: he had been like in this long term relationship there

1136
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: because you know, you know, Charlie had all this life happening.

1137
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: You know, Lenna, who is phenomenal in the movie, has

1138
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: had so much going on for her, like like Nell's

1139
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: apartment is Lena's apartment, Like it's like, you know her

1140
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: partner me how was like, you know, was our basically

1141
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: our pa and like our like producer on set, you know,

1142
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: like her dog is in the movie who sadly passed

1143
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, like there was so much love and care

1144
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: inside of this thing. But also the fun thing about

1145
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: making a movie with Pete is that like it's just

1146
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: about the act of making right. It's like, like someone

1147
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: tweeted this thing about David Lynch the other day and

1148
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: we really like David Lynch because he does this, and

1149
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is why, because David Lynch

1150
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: is basically said like when no one wanted to say

1151
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: yes to its movies, he would just make something no

1152
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: matter what. And that's what I love about Pete is

1153
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 2: that Pete has made a movie a year, sometimes two

1154
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: movies a year, like since he made the decision to

1155
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: choose himself and not like wait for Neon or eight

1156
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: twenty four or Sony Picture's Classics to buy his script.

1157
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: He just said like, I'm gonna make a movie, and

1158
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to invite other people who want to make

1159
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: a movie to make a movie with me and see

1160
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: what happens. And it's been really inspiring to other people.

1161
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: And I wanted to inspire a whole new generation, mainly

1162
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: because I don't think we're and I have all these

1163
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: companies that are using like you know, Saudi and Katari

1164
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: money to keep the lights on, to depend on in

1165
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: the next five years, like we might have to like

1166
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: band it together and do like mutual aid movies, And

1167
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: in some ways that's what these are, you know, like

1168
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: mutual wit movies, so like like you know, exercise creativity.

1169
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I yeah, I love the movie. I liked how like,

1170
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: sorry I just talked for soul. No, that was great.

1171
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: I think that's are because I don't listen to podcasts.

1172
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: So the writing of it collaboratively is so fascinating because

1173
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: it's not like it's not the Mike Lee model of

1174
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: like improvising. It's actually making like a makeshift writer's room.

1175
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, and the whole thing feels very like saying that

1176
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: that's her apartment like makes so much sense. It all

1177
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: feels very grounded, and it you feel like you do.

1178
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I want to go to Warsaw.

1179
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: I've never thought about Warsaw in my life. I want

1180
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: to go here. And I liked how it's so grounded

1181
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: and really stylized at moments, like there's these like cool

1182
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: little flourishes. I also like the it's about coincidence, but

1183
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: it's also like kind of about ourselves stories in order

1184
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: to like we're kind of lying to ourselves and trying

1185
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: to like seem like a main character. I love that

1186
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: part of like the Charlie and the and Nell's relationship

1187
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: where they're like everything's the world revolves around us, and

1188
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: then is it your character? That's like, no, it doesn't.

1189
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: We know.

1190
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: What's crazy about that is that we almost called the

1191
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: movie main character syndrome. It was like one of our

1192
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: first like ideas for it, and I love I feel

1193
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: like there are people who like are coming to it

1194
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: because they're like, this is the gay Charlie movie.

1195
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: And then are being like like not letting the.

1196
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: Movie be it's be what it is and like not

1197
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: seeing it yeah, because they're like just are like when

1198
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: is the lesbian gonna happen? And I'm really, I really

1199
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: am grateful for you really seeing the movie because I

1200
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: think that like that is what the movie at its

1201
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: core is. It's about like trying to search for a

1202
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: meeting in your life, trying to make yourself a main character.

1203
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah when and.

1204
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: The like sort of cowardice of main character stuff too,

1205
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: like she just like can't just say how she actually feels,

1206
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: and it is like it there wouldn't be a movie

1207
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: if she could say how she feels. So it's like

1208
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: a push and pull. That's why she's the main character

1209
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: and it's toxic.

1210
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: You listen, Sam, Look, that's deep reading that Ubayba right.

1211
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: That's true English major. Yeah, I know he was analyzing

1212
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: those texts.

1213
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: Some of the girls read some of them. They try

1214
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: whether you're in jail or not. You know, you don't

1215
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: have to go to jail to read Wow, And I'm

1216
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: learning that for the first time. How many callbacks have

1217
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: we done this episode?

1218
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 4: Not enough.

1219
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: I feel like this has been the most callbacks I've

1220
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: ever done in a podcast.

1221
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: And I really love it. It's really keeping me on

1222
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: my toes.

1223
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: I'll say, I should hope so this and like I

1224
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: don't even know where to go from here.

1225
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: I feel like, let's see tell me more things you

1226
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: want to know about Warsaw, because I feel like one

1227
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: of the things that we're really excited about is it, like, yes,

1228
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: we want all of the Charlie fans to come, like,

1229
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 2: please come watch our movie. Like this is really I think,

1230
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: Like I think one of the great things about like

1231
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: the moment was that you got to see Charlie as

1232
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: paint herself right, like it truly paint herself. And what's

1233
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: really great about this that you can see Charlie like

1234
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: really be like a muse for someone else and really

1235
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: be at the center of a narrative in a way

1236
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: that like I think, tells you a different story about

1237
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: her as an actress and presents, like I think, I

1238
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: don't know, a really dynamic relationship between her and now

1239
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: and like you get to meet Lena Gora, who's like

1240
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: such a phenomenal actress and.

1241
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: Like place now, yeah, she was so good.

1242
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: She's amazing, really great.

1243
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: And Will Madden is like I think, the most like beautiful,

1244
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: pathetic straight man ever.

1245
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: I well, it felt interesting that he is a bald

1246
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: guy and Charlie's real husband is a bald guy on purpose.

1247
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: No, it's an accident.

1248
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: It's just like like will Is Pete's mused, like will

1249
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: is his like will Is Pete's leah right, like she's

1250
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: like he's been in three movies with him. They like

1251
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: adore each other. They're best friends. Pete works as like

1252
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: Will's brother who's also a filmmaker.

1253
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: Lot. They have a really tight connection. I love watching

1254
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: them work together.

1255
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: And I would say that the thing that we also

1256
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: really want are like Polish people to see this movie

1257
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: Polish Americans, like we're really like pushing this to like

1258
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: a lot of Polish communities, to mean, like, hey, guys,

1259
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: like this isn't necessarily Polish, it's not necessarily American. It's

1260
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: definitely not British, but it's some weird hybrid of all

1261
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: these things. And like, if you want to see a

1262
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: little piece of home, or if you've never been to

1263
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: Poland but your parents are from there, come check this

1264
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: movie out.

1265
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: I actually this.

1266
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: Is something I do want to talk to you about

1267
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: because I'm noticing and this is obviously because we just

1268
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: interviewed Amy, who is in Blue Heron, which is Hungarian

1269
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: co production and is half in Hungarian sentimental value just

1270
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: had all this awards success, and it is, you know,

1271
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: sort of like it is elfanning, but it's also not

1272
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: in English. There's a way in which, as you're saying,

1273
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: when there isn't the support from the big American companies,

1274
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: American and American adjacent filmmakers are almost like borrowing a

1275
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: lit little bit from the European model. And I wonder

1276
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: if the future of independent film is all like bilingual

1277
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: movies that have like both Charlie XCX and you know,

1278
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: a European actress from like you know, either a Scandinavian

1279
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: or like a West European country or something I think

1280
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 3: it is, And I'm like, that's cool to me. It's

1281
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: almost like third culture cinema or something like it's every

1282
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: like this Amy's movie is the Family is a Hungarian

1283
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: immigrant family living in Canada, and it's half in Hungarian

1284
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: and half in English, and it's very like effortless, and

1285
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: it's sort of like, yes, this is how a lot

1286
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: of the world is, like you coexist with people that

1287
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: are x pact, people are immigrants, people that have just

1288
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: moved somewhere, and I don't know, maybe that's like the

1289
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: only way to make movies that used to be made

1290
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: by Sony Pictures class totally.

1291
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: And I also think that, like, you know, my new

1292
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 2: play is about Mexico and specifically Zepallyte and it's half

1293
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: in Spanish. Amber Heard is one of the LEAs and

1294
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: Maramos is the other lead. And then it's like you know,

1295
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: Amana Jajava and eight yay guys, and it's it was

1296
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: really amazing to like do a play that like challenged

1297
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: me to listen. Differently, I think that's what's drawing me

1298
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: to other languages, involving other languages in my work and

1299
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: in my text because like, I think that there's a lot.

1300
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: Of passive listening right now.

1301
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: And I think that like one of the things that

1302
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: subtitles do is one of the things that like just

1303
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: having a different language interact with English does is like

1304
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: it forces you to lean in, you know. And I

1305
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: think that there's been a lot of passive watching, which

1306
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: is why people can watch a lot of movies and

1307
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: come away with like really crazy opinions about them that

1308
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: feel like did you watch the same movie as I watch?

1309
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm not and I'm not going to drag us in

1310
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: any Twitter conversation now.

1311
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: But it's on Twitter.

1312
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: But I feel like I feel like there is there

1313
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: there is a different like valve or our brains go

1314
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: to that when we're asked us, when we ask them

1315
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: to slow down because they just simply do not understand

1316
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: the language that I think is becoming very attractive as

1317
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: well in like a time when there's like so much

1318
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: dopamine feeling our brains, you know.

1319
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: I also think when you switch switching between two ways

1320
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: of speaking and being enables you to contextualize each one

1321
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: in terms of the other, like and this is just

1322
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: as a bilingual well that's what I mean, Like growing

1323
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: up like grow if during the time when we lived

1324
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: in America before we move back to Greece, it's like

1325
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: we spoke a different language at home and had different

1326
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: relation relationships with one another in that language. That then

1327
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: we're recontextualized when we are in public speaking English, and

1328
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 3: that just helps you be generally more self aware, you know.

1329
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 3: It's like it is a the infrastructure of a language

1330
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: makes you process the world in a different way, just

1331
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: like by version of how it is. And so maybe

1332
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: it's like I don't know, maybe it's it is a

1333
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: way in which you can actually like create empathy in

1334
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 3: some weird way, or maybe not.

1335
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: We also my best friend Malta, who's the translator on

1336
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: Spirit of the People, my new play which hopefully you

1337
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: guys will see next year in New York and maybe

1338
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: in Mexico, is that he is really swaggy inn in English,

1339
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, like he's like short king with like a

1340
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: tall wife, you know, like he like you know, really

1341
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: is just like the coolest guy you will meet. And

1342
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: he told me that when he went back to Argentina

1343
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: with his wife and they were all speaking Spanish, which

1344
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: he's fluent in. Yeah, he realized that he's not. He

1345
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: does not have swag in Spanish, especially Argentinians.

1346
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: I am the same way and grace. Like I've lost it.

1347
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: I've lost it completely. I don't have a sense of humor.

1348
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: I don't really keep in touch with people. I went

1349
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: to high school, so I basically only speak Greek with

1350
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: my family. I don't know the contemporary slang. Like I

1351
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: go back and I feel like a complete loser.

1352
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really I'm really curious about that.

1353
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: Like that's an experience I really like, because like I

1354
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: don't speak any of the language well enough to like

1355
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: not be myself in that language, like lo like you know,

1356
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: like and we saw how all that works. Oh guess what,

1357
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: it worked out pretty well? Twenty three days, no charges,

1358
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: get into a babe. I can still go back to Japan,

1359
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: cann't you.

1360
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see. Well, you know,

1361
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: I of course feel like a loser when I go

1362
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: to La and it's not because of the language, just

1363
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: because of the town.

1364
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: But what do you think, what do you are? You

1365
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: one of those people who like has an L a

1366
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: number you think you are.

1367
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 4: We were like, I'm like a, I'm like a New

1368
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: York five in.

1369
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: The LA ten like the value system of New York

1370
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: I like really understand, whereas the value system of LA

1371
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: is so confusing to me and I don't like know

1372
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: where I fit into it or like like or maybe

1373
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm too aware of it and I'm like, so here

1374
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm valueless. Like in New York, I have fun ideas,

1375
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm charming, there's like there's fun here.

1376
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: In LA.

1377
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: It's like, so you're not on the show, and I'm like, wuck,

1378
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm a loser. Here.

1379
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: There's a romance to being an outsider in New York,

1380
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: whereas there isn't an LA. If you're an outsider in LA,

1381
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: it's like, get him.

1382
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: Out of there.

1383
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: Well, do you feel like that's neighborhood dependent and also

1384
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: community dependent because I feel like, you know, there are

1385
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: people who don't do comedy in LA.

1386
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: Do you think they walk home from the Unfortunately, I know.

1387
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: That the comadians also fit into that category.

1388
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I wonder, like I wonder if

1389
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: people feel that same energy in like Boyle Heights or like,

1390
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, in some parts of silver Lake. Oh, actually,

1391
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: I think everyone in silver Lake they feel it. Yeah,

1392
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: they feel that that sort of stratification.

1393
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: I think they feel the stratification.

1394
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: But it's weird.

1395
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: The stratification hurts everyone, like, no one's happy with it,

1396
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: and yet they're upholding it constantly. Except for David's he's chilling.

1397
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's having an amazing time.

1398
00:59:59,720 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Ye.

1399
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 4: How much is he getting? Like nine hundred billion dollars?

1400
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: Crazy? What was it was like nine hundred million, it's

1401
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: one hundred million.

1402
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: It's not a billion, it's close to a billion.

1403
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: He really tore honestly, honestly, pop up poor Like we

1404
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: all were like, honey, you have thirty minutes. You have

1405
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: thirty He's like, I do, and I'm going to walk

1406
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: out of here with a billy no one.

1407
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,959
Speaker 1: She's like, first of all, you're not gonna have jobs.

1408
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: Second of all, I'm fucking paying for dinner.

1409
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm aware of the time.

1410
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm aware of the time. We can say for fifteen

1411
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: more minutes, well do This is a complete pivot that

1412
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: is not necessari.

1413
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: Don't say whoever made this coffee? Hate SKay people, This

1414
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: is homophobic coffee. Why is there milk in it?

1415
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: Do you ask for milk? No?

1416
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 4: I didn't you.

1417
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: We heard literally asked for milk.

1418
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: I think I said no milk, but it was never

1419
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: It was deep behavior, I want milk and be like,

1420
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: who the fuck put milk? And Michael I did not

1421
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: ask for milk.

1422
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: I heard it as oh, okay, wait, well so maybe

1423
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: then what is happening is that I was I'm still asleep.

1424
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is all a dream. You're still in jail.

1425
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 4: I'm still still in jail.

1426
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, the crazies thing about jail that I

1427
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: really realized is that I the only thing I am

1428
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: addicted to in my life is my phone.

1429
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 4: I dreamed about group chats.

1430
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: No, I know, I dreamed.

1431
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: About group chats.

1432
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: I like would have phantom buzzing for a week and

1433
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: a half and like the biggest the craziest thing was

1434
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: that the first day I was out, the first three days,

1435
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't answer my phone.

1436
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm free. I was like, gonna get

1437
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 4: a flip phone, and.

1438
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: Like an addict the minute I still haven't gotten back

1439
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: on TikTok okay, but like an attict, the minute I

1440
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: was able to open up Instagram it was, and I

1441
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: was just back, so I haven't posted as much. I'm

1442
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: being like better, yeah, but it's like my my digital

1443
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: hygiene is a little bit better, but I'm fucked.

1444
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: I'm still fucked.

1445
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean to do a cleanse and then come back

1446
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: must be so scary.

1447
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: It was really crazy to realize how fucked I am.

1448
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean that first moment where you like like, oh

1449
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: my god, I have to catch up on so much,

1450
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: Like did it feel like free?

1451
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 4: I felt free?

1452
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: Wow, you are so right that people would pay for

1453
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: this experience, and in fact, I'm ready.

1454
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: Here's what can you set it up?

1455
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: Here's what you gotta do.

1456
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: Leave your back around people who do drugs, just and

1457
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: tell them.

1458
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 4: Do what you will.

1459
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: That'll be very easy for me.

1460
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: And then once you are on a plane, it doesn't

1461
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: matter where you are. You might be in Japan, you

1462
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: might be in Someone will stop you at some point

1463
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: and just say that one. Look at that one. That's

1464
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: where all my my face stuff is around. That's what

1465
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: I did because I literally was like, guys, my bags

1466
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: have literally just look at my face up. That's where

1467
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: all the liquids are.

1468
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: I have nothing, yeah, well not nothing.

1469
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: And then I got in trouble but or maybe or

1470
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: maybe I got free wow, I.

1471
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 3: Mean wait, I actually want to one more thing in

1472
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: terms of things you're working on. So you worked on

1473
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 3: this La phil thing with Cape Lynchette. Is that coming

1474
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: Lincoln Center.

1475
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: It's coming to no, It's coming to the New York

1476
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: phil Harmonic with Doudemo dismay.

1477
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: So, okay, Jamel is sort of like the one person

1478
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 3: in classical music with name recognition sort of globally right now.

1479
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: And so in light of the timmy comments about the

1480
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 3: opera in the ballet, what do you want to get

1481
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: out of doing more pop classical music stuf?

1482
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 2: One of the things, Okay, So my New York LA

1483
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: thing is simply that, like, the cool thing about New

1484
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: York is that, like I can go to the Met Opera,

1485
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: the fucking like a shitty like play off Broadway, a

1486
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: weird dance in like Brooklyn, all in like the same week, right,

1487
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: and also eat it like some of the best restaurants

1488
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: in the world.

1489
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 4: And that's really excessable.

1490
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: And it's not that those things aren't like possible in LA,

1491
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: but you just are driving hours to get there. And

1492
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: and the thing I want more people to do who

1493
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: live in New York City or live near any of

1494
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: these things.

1495
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 4: Just like take advantage of it, right like literally.

1496
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: Like if you have disposable income, which a lot of

1497
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: people do, like become a member at at a theater

1498
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: right like the or like get a membership to the

1499
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: opera or whatever. You won't like everything. That's actually the

1500
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: fun of it is you won't like everything, but you

1501
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: always have the wing to talk about with your friends.

1502
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: When you go, you'll start to learn things. You'll meet

1503
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: new people who can teach you a lot. I know

1504
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: nothing about classical music, but now I have, like you know,

1505
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: all these people and like the symphony and like people

1506
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: behind the stage at the New York Phil and the

1507
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 2: La Phil who like really taught me a lot and

1508
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: like brought me along, and now I know what to

1509
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: look for in like that concerto. Like I know that

1510
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: when Yu Juwang is in town, you want to be

1511
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: there because that's a diva, right Like I.

1512
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: Also think there's a because I also know nothing and

1513
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to learn and like asking dumb questions and

1514
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, you think that people are gonna look down

1515
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: on you for not knowing, but actually they're so excited

1516
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 3: that someone you know, under the age of forty five

1517
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 3: is interested. At the great age of sixty five is

1518
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 3: interested not to be timmy myself, but it's like then

1519
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 3: they're excited to teach you.

1520
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: And also like, I mean there's so many crazy things

1521
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: to learn, Like did you know that when Beethoven was

1522
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: doing this, people were not like everyone was an amateur musician. Yeah,

1523
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: so like we're literally hearing this better than like I

1524
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: mean he couldn't hear, but like better than Beethoven could

1525
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: have ever heard it in his time, because like people

1526
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: did not do musician as a job right, And also

1527
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: people were so bad at learning the new ones that

1528
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: like they'd be like working through his big long like opuses,

1529
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: like for fourteen hours, everyone just getting drunk and fucking

1530
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: and hanging out for fourteen hours at the concert. It

1531
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: was like truly the most racous, crazy event you could

1532
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: go to.

1533
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 4: And we exactly and we could.

1534
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: Have that same version of that experience in some way,

1535
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: shape or form with our friends, Like it's a little more.

1536
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 4: Like stuffy, et cetera.

1537
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: But like the more of us that are there, the

1538
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: more of us that ask for different ways of engaging,

1539
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: the more they'll do it because they want to have fun, right.

1540
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 4: So I think that's big. Say it's just like you

1541
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 4: hear that story.

1542
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: Those stories are friendly, but tells about like the type

1543
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: of gay guys that used to exist, like guys. We

1544
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: can't all just know like every like Wikipedia note about

1545
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: Bbi Rexa and think that that's the end of like

1546
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: cultural criticism.

1547
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: Right, we should all we should disagree.

1548
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: I love Bibi Rexa. I love Zar Larson, Zar Larson.

1549
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: Please if you hear this, I love you, we love you.

1550
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: But if you if it stops at Zara Larson, you

1551
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: won't be able to appreciate like the things that Rosalia

1552
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: is doing in her.

1553
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 4: Album or the ways in which like there are questions.

1554
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: About what Rosali is doing in her album, Like I

1555
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: loved talking to like all the like classical music gays

1556
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: like who are like here are my issues with? Like

1557
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: the Rosalia album was like cool, I don't have those

1558
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: for me. It's master and peace, okay, But then to

1559
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 2: have them ask questions about like how it was orchestrated,

1560
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: like what like what it means to have a lot

1561
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: of violence sound that way? Meant that like if if

1562
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm ever in conversation with her or her producer I

1563
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: can ask them these questions, be like, what does that

1564
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: mean I had this thing coming, you know, and who

1565
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: knows what that might.

1566
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: Make pop music sound like in five more years. So

1567
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1568
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: I think that like we should have more curiosity totally.

1569
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: And that goes back to the one bad after another

1570
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: saying that will I will dip into it.

1571
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 4: Please as someone who has written.

1572
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: Who's written like a complex portrayal of a black woman

1573
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: and face like fierce criticism for it, like I'm like

1574
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: just happy the smokes off me, right, I'm like, take

1575
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: it over there. But what I will also say though,

1576
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: is that like I I I hear and hold space

1577
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: for all of my friends who dislike and I just

1578
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: like I did with with some of the people who

1579
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: had criticism for my play.

1580
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 4: I mean, there are people at Chritsisms.

1581
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 2: On the place where I thought were just being cruel

1582
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: and like talking about me as a person. I feel

1583
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: like the thing that I wanted them to know then

1584
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: was that like, I don't think I didn't think that

1585
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: I knew all the answers to like any of the

1586
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: questions I was posing in my play, And I don't

1587
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: think anyone should like I don't think anyone's gonna do

1588
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: a perfect representation, and I don't think we should expect

1589
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: them to. And I think what becomes really interesting is

1590
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: to think about the ways in which a representation does

1591
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: or doesn't fulfill its purposes for you, while also listening

1592
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 2: to the people who are embodying those things and just

1593
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 2: like navigating why they said yes, right, Like we can't

1594
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: decide that like Teana Taylor the Grammy winner and Regina Hall,

1595
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: like one of the greatest actresses of our time, Like

1596
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: they just didn't have any agency in inside of these portrayals.

1597
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: They just decided like, oh yeah, I'm gonna be like

1598
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: a fucking like cudgel in a white man's imagination because

1599
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: I need to.

1600
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 4: They didn't need.

1601
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: Him, you know what I mean, they were fine without this,

1602
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: And I think and so I think that like we

1603
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: should have more curiosity about what they saw that maybe

1604
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: we didn't see and also still say, well, I disagree, right, Like,

1605
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: there are plenty of movies that people love that like

1606
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: I have notes about, right, Like, plenty of movies I

1607
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: love that I have notes about. I have notes about

1608
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 2: one batter after another, I have notes about sinners. I

1609
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: have notes about sentimental value I have notes about fucking

1610
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: Marty Supreme, and you know what, the main notice, all

1611
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 2: of them are thirty minutes too long. But that's also

1612
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 2: a note that people had for my play. So it's

1613
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: like it's great. It's like, it's great that we can

1614
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: meet these things and also recognize that humans made them.

1615
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: No human is trying to hurt you when they make art,

1616
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: but or few humans are trying to hurt you when

1617
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: they make and I.

1618
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 3: Think that cause physical pain.

1619
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: But I also think that we should have a lot

1620
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 2: of grace for people like trying and failing because we rather,

1621
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I really do wonder what we rather artists

1622
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: never step outside of themselves and like, you know, render

1623
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: identities that aren't theirs for fear of failure and ridicule. Right,

1624
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: We're like, on one hand, people are screaming like how

1625
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: dare like you know, he put black women in his

1626
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: movie and the lead and like fuck it up and

1627
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: not do it right, and then also being like where

1628
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: were the gays in Ryan Coogler's and Ryan Googler's.

1629
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 4: With Sinners and let's wake that up? Where were they?

1630
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 4: That is a question that is a note as well.

1631
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 4: We're we're the loguers you know.

1632
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: But it is where were the vogus? I haven't thought

1633
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: of that also, but.

1634
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: Also but also at the end of the day, like

1635
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Ryan Coogler, like is like Ryan Coogler queer people on

1636
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: Black Panther too.

1637
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 4: Ryan Coogler is someone I.

1638
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: Know is an ally that is not that does not

1639
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: need to be something that I'm sitting out here being

1640
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: like Ryan Coogler obviously hates gays because like in his

1641
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: like rendering of fifty thousand Cultures on the screen, he

1642
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: forgot about voguing. Because my biggest thing about that scene too. Again,

1643
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: love you Ryan, love that movie. But I know when

1644
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: someone does theater and I know when someone doesn't. And

1645
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 2: that was not a scene that was made by a

1646
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: theater maker, and I think it would have been different

1647
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: if it had been.

1648
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: And let's end there.

1649
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: Well, I want to end on my note.

1650
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 4: You can't end on me giving a note of sinners.

1651
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: That's only the part of this clip there was like

1652
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 4: Jeremy hate sinners. I love sinners. I love sinners.

1653
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: We can balance it. Do you have a note for

1654
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: a movie? I have a note A good way to

1655
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: powers the spy who shags me? Not it needs an

1656
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: extra half hour, no notes, he should have gay sex.

1657
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: The notes should be for movies. This season nominated for

1658
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: Oscar One, not one. I have a note for him.

1659
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 3: I have a note for Hamnet, which is I believe

1660
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: that William Shakespeare's wife should have known what a play

1661
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 3: is when she went to the theater and started freaking

1662
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: the fuck out when someone said the title of the

1663
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 3: play during the performance.

1664
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: I have a note for Train Dreams, which is like,

1665
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: there should have been like an extended shower scene.

1666
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: I agree, Like the whole time I was like, this

1667
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: guy's dirty as fuck and he's hot.

1668
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: Let's take a shower after you come home from logging.

1669
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: Give me the release. I feel all the tension of

1670
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: the logging.

1671
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 3: I would even the shower, yes, And I would even

1672
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: say Jesse Buckley needed a shower in him potentially before

1673
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 3: attending a play.

1674
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:55,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's out of respect.

1675
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: It's out of respect, folks, fingernails.

1676
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: Were there any hour scenes in the film The Secret Agent,

1677
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: because there should have been, Well, no, was he.

1678
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 3: But you got you saw him shirtless, which is you

1679
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: know what I sort of wanted. Yeah, And there was

1680
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,879
Speaker 3: of course public sex.

1681
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: Public cruising, and there was there was like a lot

1682
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: of butt shots of Gabrielle Leone.

1683
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: Yes, no, I think it's the Secret Agent was. I

1684
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: can't believe I'm saying this the horniest of the movies

1685
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: that was not it was. It was one of the

1686
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 3: least horny best pictures. Well, one Matt after another actually

1687
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 3: is probably the most. That's true, that horny and kind

1688
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 3: of we violent ways, but but horny nonetheless. But yeah,

1689
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: it was just those two movies that basically engaged with

1690
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: sex in any way.

1691
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 4: Secret Agent was my favorite movie the year. It was great.

1692
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it.

1693
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 4: I didn't vote for for number one, but.

1694
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: It was just an accident.

1695
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: I loved it.

1696
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: Was it was.

1697
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 4: That's my favorite screenplay of the year. Yeah, favorit original screenplay.

1698
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: Secret Agent, though, is I think just such a sublime film.

1699
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: We don't do anything like that. And the other thing

1700
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 2: that's like so annoying about the Academy. My note for

1701
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: the Academy, Why was his Mama not nominated for Best

1702
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: Supporting Actress, because that is the best Supporting Actress of

1703
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: the year. She was really great, like there's no question,

1704
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 2: like love Amy Madigan, politics down, like she she would

1705
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 2: have said something the same moment at the party oh

1706
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: my god, bern Ed Harris, they would have went right

1707
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: up to him. Love a me Madigan. Note for that movie,

1708
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: timeline doesn't make sense.

1709
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 3: You know, for that movie, what's going on with the

1710
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 3: machine gun on top of the house.

1711
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: No, for that movie, let's coqushing. I'll take one thing off.

1712
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 4: Who who is the little girl talking? Little child talking?

1713
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some notes for that movie. I think

1714
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: that's fair to say.

1715
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: But guess what I found out from from someone that

1716
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: works on that movie. They were like, oh my god.

1717
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: I gave all these notes to Zach. You know, Zach said, no,

1718
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: one's gonna care. And guess what he was right?

1719
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: He was right.

1720
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 4: I respect. I love that. I love that. I love it.

1721
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: Also, comedy boy, here more comedies.

1722
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: Let's feel best picture. Go ahead, we need to wrap up.

1723
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: They need the room. Okay, they need the room.

1724
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 4: Dreams Splitsville just coming out of April seventeen. August.

1725
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: I heard August, and this episode has been obviously unconventional.

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna call it jere O Harris breaks the silence

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