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Speaker 1: phone call with brutal uh. He just in press coverage

429
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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage as feisty a corner as

430
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Speaker 1: you'll see in college. Now, what iss that? And so

431
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Speaker 1: I love that part to his game. Obviously we haven't

432
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Speaker 1: seen him test yet, don't really know what he's going

433
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Speaker 1: to be. Undersized, doesn't take like all those boxes. But

434
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Speaker 1: you flip on the tape and no one I better

435
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: take this pass fall. Yeah, he was at the training facility,

436
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: and they're really accurate down there where he was working out.

437
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: I think he was in Frisco mid four fours, you know, plenty,

438
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: plenty fast enough. He's not gonna go out there run

439
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: four three two, but he's mid four fours all day long.

440
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: But the quickness, the you know, the ball skills, the awareness,

441
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff's elite, off the charts stuff. So I'm

442
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 1: a big fan of his as well. Looking at some

443
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: of these other positions. To me, the one that we

444
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned, I think the four deepest positions we touched on,

445
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, talk about running backs on offense, talk about

446
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,719
Speaker 1: tight ends defensively, we touched on the corners. I think

447
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 1: edge rusher. I've got ten of these dudes in my

448
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: top fifty. And again it's all different shapes and sizes

449
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: and skill sets. We've had this debate. I'd be curious

450
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Speaker 1: just kind of in your own personal evaluating how you

451
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Speaker 1: come down on this. But in a in a league

452
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Speaker 1: where the ball comes out quick, you know some guys

453
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Speaker 1: that can really crush the pocket, Whereas in the past

454
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Speaker 1: maybe you get punished a little bit for being a

455
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: little bit tight, a little bit stiff. But now it's like, man,

456
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Speaker 1: if you're not going to get to at least affect him,

457
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Speaker 1: what are you prioritizing when you're watching edge rushers. I

458
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: think it's explosiveness, right, that's ultimately what wins that you

459
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: base everything else off of that. And so you know,

460
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Speaker 1: if you are explosive, and like you said, if you

461
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Speaker 1: are tight, well then are you long and are you

462
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Speaker 1: flexible in a way like you know, kind of like

463
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: Lucas Vanessa's like, can you get underneath the guy's pads?

464
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Speaker 1: And so this class has a ton of guys in

465
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Speaker 1: that mold of that bull rusher mold, whether it's you know,

466
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: Isaiah Fosky, if nor Dame, whether it's even Zach Harrison

467
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: from Ohiouse State like that. To me, the guys with

468
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Speaker 1: the get off and then the length is what I'm prioritizing.

469
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: If you don't have those two things, you better have

470
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Speaker 1: some electric quicks or some darn good hands because that,

471
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: to me is the combination that wins, and the combination

472
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: that you basically is the baseline if you're going to

473
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Speaker 1: be an edge rush in the NFL. All right, I'm

474
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Speaker 1: a buck. I'm ann jump here one more real quick,

475
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Speaker 1: because this is my I've got my guy, that's my

476
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Speaker 1: third round. Like there's always that third fourth round guy

477
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Speaker 1: in a loaded draft. I just feel like, God, there's

478
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: a sweet spot in there you can get a really

479
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Speaker 1: good football player. Do you have a mid round edge

480
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Speaker 1: rusher in a deep group that you really like? Oh,

481
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Speaker 1: mid round edge rusher. We'll give you mine, all right,

482
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Speaker 1: go ahead. I love Isaiah McGuire, Okay, Missouri edge rusher.

483
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: I think his flexibility is rare for a guy. I

484
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: think he plays around like two seventy like for a

485
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Speaker 1: guy that bend around the top of the pocket. I

486
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: just think he has a high floor. I'm not sure

487
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Speaker 1: he's not that explosive guy that's gonna go high, but

488
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Speaker 1: I think he has a high floor because of that.

489
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: Because he can get underneath and stack offensive tackles. I

490
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Speaker 1: think you saw that against Rodert Jones when he face

491
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say he got he got underneath Rodert

492
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: Jones in the Georgia game, beat him with power. Um.

493
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting player. Yeah, he's He's able to generate

494
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Speaker 1: power without a runway too. That's the little thing you

495
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Speaker 1: separate some of those guys, some guys that need a

496
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Speaker 1: little bit of runway to get gone. He can generate

497
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Speaker 1: some some any immediate power. Buck my guy, I'm I'm

498
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Speaker 1: sticking with us, dude. I've been rolling with him from

499
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Is Jose Ramirez from Eastern Michigan, and he

500
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: blew like all the change of direction stuff, all the

501
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: testing stuff was off the charts. His ten was excellent.

502
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Speaker 1: He ran at four seven three. But he's one of

503
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: those guys who's got you know, he's just under six two,

504
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Speaker 1: he's two hundred and forty two pounds, he's got thirty

505
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Speaker 1: two and three quarter arms. But he's got production. He

506
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: can bend, he's got a lot of a lot of

507
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Speaker 1: tools in his bag. And he's like to me, you're

508
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Speaker 1: gonna get him in the you might get him in

509
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Speaker 1: the fourth round, but he's gonna be a good player.

510
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Speaker 1: He's got shaff Barty esque. Yeah, there you go. That's

511
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: a nice one. I like that. How about that? Look

512
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: at y'all putting out a name. So the kid for

513
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: me was at the especial one game Killer Murphy popped up.

514
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Speaker 1: And the only reason is because DJ knows that I

515
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: have a thing about sack production and how sack production translates.

516
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: And you watch him at a small school and he dominates,

517
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Speaker 1: and he comes off the as and he does all

518
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Speaker 1: the stuff and so on the heels of James Houston

519
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: having a lot of success following the similar path. I'm

520
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: thinking day three, bottom of day three. He comes in,

521
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Speaker 1: he comes off the boy, he finds like a little role.

522
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Speaker 1: He becomes that situational pass for Rush that everyone is

523
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: looking for, one of these sub packages. I like that

524
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Speaker 1: one book. I like that one. You get my hands

525
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: on the Fair State tape. Oh dude, I'll tell you

526
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: what the who was it. There's one team, there's one

527
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: dude here. Um oh, now I gotta now, I gotta

528
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: find it. He's gonna drive me nuts. But I literally

529
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: in my notes when I was watching him, it was

530
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: a small school guy. Wasn't Yeah, no, it wasn't Fair State.

531
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Speaker 1: But there was another one with a small school guy.

532
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: And that was funny because I was talking to a

533
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: buddy with another team and I'm like, dude, I'm trying

534
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: to watch this guy. And it was one of those

535
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: deals where they have like black numbers on black jerseys

536
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: and they don't have a scaffolding. So the end zone cut,

537
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like watching gopher cam like that. It's

538
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: so low. I can't see over the offensive lineman to

539
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: see him when they're on that one, they're on that

540
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: side of the field. And then I was talking to

541
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: a buddy with a team, and I'm like, dude, I'm

542
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: trying to watch this guy. I can't even find him.

543
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know where he is. And he's like,

544
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: our head coach just came down and said the same thing,

545
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: because we had given him to watch him. And he's like,

546
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I've been watching for fifteen minutes. I don't even know

547
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 1: where he is. They can't find him on the tape. Um.

548
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: But that's one of those things as a program. I

549
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: don't care if you're any I a division three, Division two, Like, hey,

550
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: let's just get a little investing, a little gotta get

551
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: elevated a little bit. And let's not go let's not

552
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: go color on color, same color here with yours. That's

553
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: all we're asking. We don't have big apps, yeah, just

554
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: just simple little contrast, so we check out the numbers,

555
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: little trim so we can really see all the numbers.

556
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: I've faded into the thing just a little bit on

557
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: just for the film. It looks cool up close, but

558
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: on film it's a it's a challenge. Yeah, Mike, what's

559
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: your put You gotta put the band on the identical.

560
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than an entire secondary where they all have

561
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: dreads and all were come on, guys killing me, Man,

562
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: you're absolutely killing me. Favorite favorite part of this job, Mike,

563
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: and and something that uh that that is kind of

564
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: a little more uh laborsome for you. What's your favorite

565
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: part least favorite part of this gig? I think my

566
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: favorite part is just watching the tape. Like I think

567
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: it's so that feeling they were of excitement that you

568
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: get when you, like see a good football player, when

569
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: you see a guy who's like special in some way,

570
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: shape or form, you just get excited about it. I

571
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: don't know I've been that way ever since, you know,

572
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: I was a kid watching guys in college. So I

573
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: think that's my favorite part. I think my least favorite part,

574
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: and it's really not even close, is repeating myself. You

575
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: guys have to know you repeat yourself in this role

576
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: zillier times from now until the draft, because like there's

577
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: no new stuff to say about guys. Sometimes it's like

578
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: this is who they are. I got to say the

579
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: same thing every time, or else I'm lying to myself

580
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: or lying about who they are. So you kind of

581
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: have to repeat yourself when you talk about guys. Probably

582
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen times before the draft, all right, this

583
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: is my this is my one piece of knowledge I'm

584
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: going to pass on to you free of charge. That

585
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be that you're gonna love this because

586
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: we did this when I was in Baltimore. Every year

587
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: at training camp, we would have a scouting term session.

588
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: So it was literally really free flowing. We would just

589
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: name a position, all right, go words, descriptions, boom boom, boom,

590
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: boom boom, and then you would end up grabbing, you know,

591
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: as you're getting ready to go out into the fall

592
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: and hit the road, you end up grabbing like I

593
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: remember one year, like the term as a tackler, stopping power.

594
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: Like one of the guys use the term stop. I'm like, okay, good,

595
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I've never used that one before. Let me you write

596
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: all these down. So then they gave us a sheet

597
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: of print out and it was like several pages long

598
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: of just by position, just a list of a zillion terms. Buck.

599
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: You know, you know the deal because it was like, man,

600
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: because you could especially when you start going and you

601
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: I've been out for two three weeks, and I'm like,

602
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: I feel like i've I've I've watched the same guy

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: at nine different schools and I'm just writing the same

604
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: run out. Yeah you run you run out of ways

605
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: to describ the same say the same parday free agent.

606
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: How many ways can I say this? You could make

607
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: a template. You can make a template like back in

608
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: the day for like the stiff fullback, Like you know,

609
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: he's not report in the system, so let me just yeah,

610
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: here we go. That's my that's my one, free of charge. Mike.

611
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I think you guys will you'll come up with a

612
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: couple new ones. I used to have. You had on Facebook.

613
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: You had a whole list of scouting terms, but then

614
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: it went away. It was like the link that I

615
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: had saved it's no longer active. I've definitely stolen a

616
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: bunch from that past. Yeah, that's terrible. I gotta be honest.

617
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: I never really logged onto Facebook, but it used to

618
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: be where you could if you're going to post something

619
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: on one of the other platforms, who would have a

620
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: little drop down like, hey, add to Facebook. Maybe was

621
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Instagram or something. But then I forgot my it asked

622
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: for my Facebook password. Haven't known it in years, so

623
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've had anything that's made its

624
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: way to Facebook, which is gonna be really disappointing to

625
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: all my you know, to my my parents and that

626
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: everybody else who's on who's on Facebook. Yeah, anyways, Hey,

627
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: what what are you most looking forward to with this

628
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: draft class as we get to April? In terms of

629
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: the intrigue, where's the intrigue in this draft? For you, Mike,

630
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback landing spots. I mean, for the Panthers

631
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: to trade up to one and there's still not to

632
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: be you know, a guy that we know who's going

633
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: number one. Overall, I think that's always, you know, that's

634
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: good for us that people are going to be watching

635
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: us more listening to who's going to be drafted. But

636
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I do think that's ultimately what I think it's most intriguing.

637
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: And then the second thing that's intriguing to me is,

638
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: and we actually I think talked about on twitters, there's

639
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Speaker 1: a lot of tiny prospects in whether it's even Bryce Young,

640
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, Deucevawns of the world, Like, there

641
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: are guys who are uniquely small for their respective one

642
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six pound corner that might be my

643
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: favorite player in the whole draft. Yeah, it could be

644
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: a first rounder six pounds like that there are uniquely

645
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: small dudes who are still very very good, who not

646
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: only to see where they come off the board and

647
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: how the NFL values them, but then like, can they

648
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: actually play in the NFL? Like, is that the way

649
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: the game is going nowadays? The size kind of getting

650
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: thrown out the window at some position. So I think

651
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: that's one of the most intriguing stories. Still, it is

652
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: an intriguing story. Djena always talk about like size and

653
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: how size matters, and we both have heard Nick Sabers quote.

654
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: We talked about there's a reason why you don't put

655
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Speaker 1: in middle weights in the ring with heavyweights, and as

656
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: we see with the smaller guys, and you worry about

657
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: durability concerns with small corners, can they tackle guys in space?

658
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: This will be interesting to see who goes where in

659
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: this class, but to see how they play and if

660
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: it is kind of like the sign of a sea

661
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: change in terms of how we value size and dimensions

662
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: and prototypes and all those trades that we've always coveted

663
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: for so long. That's great. Well, this has been fun man, Mike.

664
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Speaker 1: It's great to catch up with you. I enjoy our

665
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: We have brief visits where we'll see each other in

666
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Speaker 1: an All Star game or at the combine. But man,

667
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: you do a good job. I've i've you know, I

668
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: use PFF for all my cutups when I want to

669
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch cutups on Ultimate. And the

670
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Speaker 1: business is incredible that you guys have built. But I

671
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: know behind that as a lot of work in terms

672
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Speaker 1: of the hours you put in, and in much respect

673
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Speaker 1: to you for that, and look forward to chatting as

674
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: we get a little bit closer to the draft. Will

675
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: catch up again. Man, I appreciate fellas. You guys are

676
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: the best. Thanks all right, thanks buddy, appreciate you man,

677
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: But great to catch up with Mike. You know, I

678
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: I have respect for him, but it spends the time

679
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: that he spends and there's there's others out there as well.

680
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: It just spends so much time studying these guys, and

681
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: it's not as something you can fake. You can't go

682
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: out there and have strong opinions and have the inability

683
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Speaker 1: to back it up. He does the work and I

684
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Speaker 1: respect that now he does. They do a ton of work.

685
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: PFF does great work. We talked about it. You talked

686
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Speaker 1: about ultimately being able to look at the clips and

687
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, the rating system that they utilize,

688
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: and the work that he does in terms of looking

689
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: at all these draft prospects, and he and his colleagues

690
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: putting out these lists. They make for compelling thoughts. And

691
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, for us, I am all about like being

692
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: a part of the think tank where you kind of

693
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: take information, you look at it, and even if you

694
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Speaker 1: agree or disagree with the opinion, it makes you go

695
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: back and do some more work to make sure that

696
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Speaker 1: you feel good about the stance that you're going to take.

697
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Because we're coming down to it path on the draft

698
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: is coming. We're continue to dig down deep in the podcast,

699
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: and you just want to know that what you're about

700
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: to say or what you're saying and for the masses

701
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: to hear that you feel great about it. And so

702
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: sometimes it does help if you kind of do a

703
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: recheck to go back and look at your nose and

704
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: look at the tape and make sure that you feel

705
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: good about your opinion, no doubt. Um, all right, let's

706
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: circle back here to some of his pro stuff. UM.

707
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: Couple couple signings here. Orlando Brown to the Cincinnati Bengals,

708
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: continues to bet on himself, continues to believe in himself.

709
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: I actually send him a direct message last night just

710
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: congratulated him because I feel like this has kind of

711
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: been his thing throughout his whole career. Now coming out,

712
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: he posted some clips from the combine working brief. Um

713
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't have a good workout there, but just kind of

714
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: keeps he keeps kind of proving people wrong. Now people

715
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Speaker 1: can debate and argue, you know, is he a top three,

716
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: top five? Whatever? All I know is dude continues to

717
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: get paid. He's got to he's got a stab throw

718
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: on the his on his finger and now he's getting

719
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Speaker 1: ready to go to his third team and uh and

720
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: God bless him and keeps believing in himself. Look, four

721
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: time pro bowling, and you can take that for what

722
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: it is, but you recognize as being one of the

723
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: best amongst your peers. Four time pro bowler, one time

724
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ, who has been paid. He got big

725
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: paid thirty one you know, signing bonus and all the

726
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: money that he cashed in forgetting to the Cincinnati Bengals.

727
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. And then reading his statement, he just

728
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: talked about continuing the legacy of his dad, but also

729
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: just how important it is for him to play left tackle. Now,

730
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: you and I may have a proper conversation saying it's

731
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: debatable whether he really is a legitimate left tackle in

732
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: terms of like the skills and the traits and those things.

733
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: But he bettered himself. He had an opportunity to do

734
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: it in Baltimore, he replaced Stanley and then bounced to

735
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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Kansas City put him back at left tackle.

736
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Speaker 1: He held his own. He loves that. And then you

737
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: have an opportunity in Cincinnati to do it. And so

738
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Speaker 1: I give him credit for not only betting on himself

739
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: and believing in himself, but making an happen because in

740
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: this league where you have to show improve, he certainly

741
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: has proved himself worthy to be a guy that's collected

742
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: to big contracts for his work between the lines. Yeah,

743
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, So good for him. Some other things

744
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: that came down. The Eagles brought a bunch of dudes back.

745
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: They get Fletcher Cox back, they get James Bradbury back.

746
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: They were going to release Darius Slay, then that didn't happen.

747
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: They work things out, so he's going to be back

748
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: as well. So they bring a lot of key players

749
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: back there. The Cowboys move on from Zeke Elliott. They

750
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Speaker 1: also trade for Stefan Gilmore, who's one of those rare

751
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: guys who I think Stefan Gilmore's age pretty well, you know,

752
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: for a corner on the other side of thirty, still

753
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. Yeah, Stefan Gilmore at his

754
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: age pretty well because he understands exactly who he is

755
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: as a player. He knows his deficiencies and he always

756
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: puts himself in a position to not allow those deficiencies

757
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: to be exposed. And as he transitioned, it helps that

758
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: he's going to be playing with Trayvon Diggs, He's gonna

759
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: be out side, he get a lot of work. But

760
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: dan Quinn has done a really good job of building

761
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: his defense and the defense is very similar to Gus Bradley.

762
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: So for Gilmore, I think he will enjoy the same

763
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: kind of success that he enjoyed in Indianapolis with the

764
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys because it's a very very similar system. For Zekiel Elliott,

765
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: I think this is the story of the running back

766
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and we talked about it and people have been trying

767
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: to kind of shoe Ezekiel Elliott out the league, but

768
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: this is kind of the the lifespan of a marquee

769
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: running back in this league. Zekie Elliott got seven seasons.

770
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Zekiel Elliott was drafted as a first round pick. I

771
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: come from a school a thought when we were to

772
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, find a great running back, draft him high,

773
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: run him to the wheels fall off, and then find

774
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: another one. Ezekiel Elliott was basically the example that we

775
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: would use in terms of how we did it in

776
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Carolina when we had Stephen Davis and Deshaan Foster, DeAngelo Williams,

777
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart. That is how it goes. And so I

778
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: know we've reached the time where running backs aren't valued

779
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: high like that, but there's still the difference between like

780
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: that marquee running back like a Bijean Robinson and some

781
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: of the other running backs that we'll see. And so

782
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see Ezekiel Elliott being dismissed now. I'm

783
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: curious to see the impact that it will have when

784
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: people having our tune they look at Bijon Robinson and

785
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: where that he's come off the board. Because you've talked

786
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: about him being a top five talent, maybe top three

787
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: on your list, He's RB one for me. But where

788
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: does he hear his name called? Because in the past,

789
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: a top ten talent, the top three talent, he would

790
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: come off the board within the top ten. Now we're

791
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: talking about well, maybe he gets called in twenties. It'd

792
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how the value of running backs

793
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: has plummeted based on where Bijon Robinson is drafted. Yeah. No,

794
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be one of the big storylines keep

795
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: an eye on in the draft. I think again, you know,

796
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to criticize anybody for taking that dude.

797
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I think he's such an elite player as a great player.

798
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on this one, Buckers,

799
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: we kind of bring this to a close. I'm a

800
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: big fan of themes and off seasons. When you're with

801
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: a team, you get a chance to finish the season,

802
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: take a month, evaluate your own roster, evaluate your season,

803
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: and then to me, I think you can give yourself

804
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: kind of an offseason theme of what we want to pumpish.

805
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: Let me give you some examples of that. You might

806
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: get back at the end of the year and say,

807
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not physical enough, Like we've got

808
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: to bring in more physical players, and we've got to

809
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: do a better job of developing some physicality in the

810
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: group that we have. You know, we're not versatile enough.

811
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: We got we got injuries last year and we just

812
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: we were screwed. We didn't have different pieces we could

813
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: move around. We got to get some more versatile players,

814
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: be that in the secondary of the offensive line. You

815
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: know what, We've got to get smarter, man. Look at

816
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: all the penalties we had, look at some of the

817
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: dumb pre snap stuff that we messed up. We just

818
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: got to get a smarter football team. And finally, I'll say,

819
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: and this is what I want to get to as

820
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: the Giants, and talking with those guys we've got, you know,

821
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: we've both got all. We know those guys really well,

822
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: they're like, we're slow, man, Like, we have got to

823
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: get faster and more dynamic on offense. So what do

824
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: they do while they get say Quon on the franchise

825
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: tag to make sure your most explosive players back. They

826
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: trade for Darren Waller, who, even though he's been beat

827
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: up a little bit, still one of the faster, most

828
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: athletic tight ends in the NFL. And as of today

829
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, as we're recording here, they signed

830
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, who hasn't worked out yet. Paris Campbell's a

831
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: low four three all day, every day. Get the ball

832
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: in his hands and let him go. I think that

833
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: they had a theme of what they wanted to accomplish,

834
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and they're going to still have the draft to continue

835
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: on that way. But I think that gives you some

836
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: directions that make any sense at all. Absolutely makes sense.

837
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: You want a faster team because a faster team produces

838
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: more explosive plays offensively and defensively. You want to surround

839
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, but a track team because all the attention

840
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: is still gonna be on sa Quon Barkley in the backfield.

841
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: So you want to be able to take advantage of

842
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the one on one coverage on the outside, much like

843
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has been able to have those opportunities to

844
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field because everyone is focused

845
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: on that quarterback running back mesh point in the various

846
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: reads and power reads and zone reads at the Giants execute.

847
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: You want Speaster's on the perimeter in the passing game

848
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. And so Bryan day Ball

849
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: wants more points. He wants a more productive office when

850
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: it comes to delivering the explosive plays. The only way

851
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: that you do that is you have to put explosive

852
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Speaker 1: athletes on the perimeter to take advantage of what the

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Speaker 1: looks are that the defense gives you. Yeah, no, I know.

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Speaker 1: And Brian day Ball and one of the jobs that

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Speaker 1: he interviewed for as a head coach, Um, there was

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Speaker 1: a team in the division um that was that was

857
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: a really good football team, and I know he went

858
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: in there and his sales pitch was like, dude, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hang fifty on that team. You know every time

860
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Speaker 1: we play it, you know what I mean. Like he's

861
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: got that, he's got the confidence, but he's also got

862
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Speaker 1: the background. I mean, I think it comes from in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: What they did in New England. Like New England was

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Speaker 1: the bully on the block. And how many times we've

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Speaker 1: seen teams come in and say, we know what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we gotta set our sights onwa We're gonna compete

867
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Speaker 1: with New England. And Brian Dayball is like, forget that,

868
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Speaker 1: we're gonna blow him off the field and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hang And that's what we're not. We're not gonna yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna back down, We're gonna go right at them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's there's a I think there's a

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00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: book by a guy who was squash coach, like Nasty Brunown,

873
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: and he talked about run to the and how lions

874
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: when they hunt like they put the old beat up

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00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: lying out front and she roars and you run away

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Speaker 1: from it. You run to the woods. Whereas the people

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Speaker 1: who really understand that, they run to her because she's

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00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: the weak link. And so Brian day Ball and some

879
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: of these coaches that understand the way that you beat

880
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: the bully is you go right at them. Do you

881
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: don't run away from them? So you build a team

882
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: that is constructed to deal with them. And so we

883
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Speaker 1: talk about the speed. Fact that we talk about the

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Speaker 1: explosive athletes that the Giants are bringing, well, that's done

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Speaker 1: directly in relation to the Philadelphia Eagles, because the Eagles

886
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: are now the bully on the block and the way

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Speaker 1: that they played and the way that they had to

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Speaker 1: deal with them twice a year. He wants to build

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Speaker 1: a team to deal with what they have upfront. And

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Speaker 1: so if you can't go at them physically, you got

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00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: to be able to run around them. And so some

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00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: of that is the speed factor, take advantage of some

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Speaker 1: of those matches that they have on the perimeter, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, this has been a fun one. Again. Want

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Speaker 1: to thank our thanks go out to Mike Rinner from

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Speaker 1: PFF for joining us spending some time with us there.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't done it, by the way, Buck, you

898
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: gotta get on this thing, this PF Mock Draft simulator,

899
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: because you can just pick a team. You just say, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna draft for this team and you put

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00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: it on fast. So it just lets you want to

902
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: go four rounds and it's like, all right, here's who's there.

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00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Who's who's on the board where you pick in the first,

904
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Speaker 1: Here's who's there in the second. And then you start

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00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: looking at you're like, okay, well I've been kind of

906
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: saying that you could maybe get this guy in the

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Speaker 1: third round, but like me, ain't ever gonna be there

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Speaker 1: in the third round, Like I keep doing these things

909
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: and he's never there. But there might other some guys.

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: You're like, man, you could get this tight end in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round, Like ho, we crud, I don't even

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Speaker 1: take one in the first I get this other dude

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Speaker 1: in the fourth it's a fun it's a fun time.

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Speaker 1: Suck there. Oh now what see now what you do

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Speaker 1: is and I'm always compliant, but now you give me

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Speaker 1: some homework. So now I got to report back. I

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Speaker 1: got to do some of this mock draft simulators, so

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Speaker 1: by the time the next time we pod, I can

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Speaker 1: give you some of my personal experience on what it

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00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: was like. Hey, we'll pick teams, so so in other words,

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Speaker 1: we'll both do the same team and I'll say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's who you came up with your four picks, here's

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Speaker 1: my four picks, and be like, okay, we can then

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Speaker 1: we can start talking about draft strategy. See we got

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Speaker 1: we have some fun here. Man, we're gonna some fun.

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Speaker 1: All right. That's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys hanging with us with the catch you next time

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Speaker 1: right here on, move the sticks.