1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Priority you know where 2 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: exactly do you stop your treasure? If you will, Where 3 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: is it that you put your value in this life? 4 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I can only speak from my experience. I value the 5 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: time that I have with my kids. My son, who 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: is an adult now, is still in college. He still 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: comes to me for advice, which is amazing in and 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: of itself. But those moments that I have with him 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: now make me reflective of the times that I had 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: with him when he was younger, learning baseball for instance, 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: playing golf, traveling, and there is nothing you can do 12 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: to replace that time. Today, I want to talk about 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: a case involving a father and a son, a young 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: man named Grant Solomon, and a life that was tragically 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: brought to a very sudden end at eighteen years of age. 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: My name is Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks, Dave. 17 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think back right now, through the hazy 18 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: mist of time, trying to remember what my first car was. 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: I think if I remember correctly, yeah, I know it 20 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: was because I was almost killed in it. I had 21 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: a nineteen sixty nine Mustang with a three h two 22 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: three speed and It was a piece of junk that 23 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: got for six hundred bucks and had repainted, restored, not 24 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: to a great degree. It would not have done well 25 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: in a car show, but it was functional for a 26 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: seventeen year old, and boy was I proud of it. 27 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: And a guy, a drunk driver, blew a stoplight and 28 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: hit me in the front right side of my car 29 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and almost killed me. I was paralyzed for a little while. 30 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: I lost the use of the less side of my body. 31 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: I was going to play college football and lost every 32 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: opportunity that I had because of a severe neck injury, 33 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: and thankfully recovered from that. But I remember that car 34 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: so fondly because it was my first. It was my first. 35 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: It's something that I valued, and my mom was a 36 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: big part of me possessing that car and having that car. 37 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: And when you're a kid that age, your identity kind 38 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: of gets tied up and that sort of thing, doesn't it. 39 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: Grant Solomon also had a vehicle. It was I think 40 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: a two thy fifteen Toyota Tacoma pickup truck. I think 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a white one as a matter of fact, nice vehicle, 42 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: very nice vehicle, four door. 43 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Grant Solomon had just turned eighteen years old, and 44 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: he had that twenty fifteen Toyota to come, a pickup 45 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: truck four door. One of the things about Grant Solomon 46 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: that I want to point out from the very beginning, 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: he was blue chip athlete six foot four, two hundred 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: and ten pounds at eighteen, and he could play some ball. 49 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: He excelled in athletics. Grant Solomon's mom and dad, Aaron 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Solomon and Angie Solomon. Aaron Solomon was a well known 51 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: sports anchor and then later a morning show television news 52 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: anchor of some note in the area of Tennessee where 53 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: they lived, and his mom, Angie was a doctor of pharmacology. 54 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: Grant has a younger sister. Now. Grant's mother and father, 55 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: Aaron and Angie had gone through a horrific divorce. It's 56 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: July twentieth of twenty twenty. Well, here's the scene. Then, 57 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: Grant Solomon and his father, Aaron Solomon, they meet at 58 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: Ward Performance Institute in Gallatin, Tennessee. This is a facility 59 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: for baseball players to work out, get some private coaching, 60 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: and to work on different aspects of their game. As 61 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: I mentioned, Grant Solomon is a blue chip athlete. He's 62 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: a baseball player. Many colleges are looking at him while 63 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: they were there, and it's not unusual for them to 64 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: have been at a place like this. It was about 65 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: an hour long drive for Grant to get to Ward 66 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: Performance Institute, but they didn't have an appointment, and you 67 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: need to have an appointment. You actually have to plan 68 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: because they have instructions for you to prepare to be there, 69 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: and you actually work on these things and you show 70 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: up ready to work, ready to learn your craft. 71 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is is that if you were 72 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: under the tutelage of an instructor like this, there would 73 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: be a prescribed regimen that you would have had to 74 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: have gone through beforehand. And I would imagine there'd be 75 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: other people waiting in line too for these time slots 76 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: as well. 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: But they arrive Aaron Solomon is there first. Grant Solomon 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: arrives second in his Toyota Tacoma pickup truck. It is 79 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: a four door model. At this point, they are both 80 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: parts side by side in the parking lot. 81 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: He's thinking about Grant circumstances as he is arriving at 82 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: this facility. When you're a young kid and you're a 83 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: new driver, there's many times you forget to do certain things. 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: Maybe you forget an item that's in the vehicle, maybe 85 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: even you forget to put your vehicle in park or 86 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: even turn it off. Because you're so unsettled at that 87 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: point in time in your life, you don't necessarily systematically 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: think about things. You're reactionary. And what has been alleged 89 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: is that Grant's truck got away from him essentially as 90 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: he had stepped out of the vehicle, and of course 91 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: it led to his death. In my estimation, i'd have 92 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: to say, I know it's rather simplistic, but I'd have 93 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: to say that the value of an eyewitness in many 94 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: cases involving death is certainly important. But when you begin 95 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: to think about car accidents in particular, we hear a 96 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: lot of witness statements. I have over the years I've 97 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: taken witness statements. The dynamics of them can be so very, 98 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: very complicated because of the many layers that are involved. 99 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: The behavior of the individual. That is, particularly if they're 100 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: a pedestrian that's struck by a vehicle. Were they aware 101 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: that this was happening, did they see it coming, did 102 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: they try to avoid a vehicle? And also the behavior, 103 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: if you will, of the vehicle itself. If it's a 104 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: vehicle that's being driven by somebody, did somebody break, did 105 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: they swerve? But if it's a runaway vehicle, you really 106 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: want to try to understand that. And so I witnessed 107 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: testimony in cases like this are more valuable than gold 108 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: from an investigative standpoint. 109 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: Dave, this story really hit home with me because we 110 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: had an suv in our driveway at my house. It 111 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: was in park at the time. My grandson Breilan was 112 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: about two maybe maybe not even too in his car seat. Thankfully, 113 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: my wife, Lodnna was in the passenger side seat. Hannah 114 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: had put the car in park and had gotten out 115 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 2: to do something, lock the door or whatever at the house. 116 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: He's in the ignition the vehicle's in park. All of 117 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: a sudden there was a malfunction. It kicked out a 118 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: park and the car rolled down the hill. Ladonna's in 119 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: the passenger seat. Two year old grandson's in the back 120 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: in his car seat, and all LaDonna could do she 121 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: couldn't reach over to hit the brake. She couldn't do 122 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: anything except try to hear the wheel so it wouldn't 123 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: go out into the road and she was able to 124 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: get it enough so that the car spun and went 125 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: into our woods and it was totaled in the space 126 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: of thirty yards of my driveway. There was a malfunction, 127 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: Joe in that vehicle because I wanted to know, was 128 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: how did this happen? How is this possible? Well, we 129 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: found out there was a mechanical break in this thing. 130 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Wait you just said you found out. Yes, well, gee, Dave, 131 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: how in fact did you find out? I would assume 132 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: you had to ask someone to take it? I mean, 133 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: God love you. I think you're a bright guy when 134 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: it comes to transmissions and all of that stuff. Are 135 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: you an expert? I mean I would assume you had 136 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: to have somebody look at it to give you an assessment. 137 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: Right, Well, you know, the insurance company made me do that. 138 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: I wondered about it. I questioned it, if there is 139 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: an investigation, you have to you realize you need a 140 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: police report, even when it happens on your property, because 141 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: insurance is not going to pay something if they don't 142 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: have to. And so we did an investigation. They determined 143 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: that something broke in the transmission that allowed this to happen. 144 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: It was a freak accident. 145 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: For us in forensics, people don't normally think about this. 146 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Mechanics in particular are some of our biggest resources when 147 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: it comes to accident investigation, because, yeah, you see a 148 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: state trooper for instance, or maybe a local police officer 149 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: in there out in the middle of the road, and 150 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: they are part of an accident investigation team where you 151 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: see them using the laser total station. They're taking all 152 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: these points of measurement. You see the if you ever 153 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: see like the bright orange paint in the middle of 154 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: the road where it's marking tire tracks and it's also 155 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: marking points of impact, you'll see all this weird coding 156 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of painted onto the surface of a roadway. 157 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: That's part of what the accident team does. But that's 158 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: only the beginning. Many times with vehicles, those vehicles will 159 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: be flatbedded into a location where they can be assessed 160 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: by a mechanic and that's another big part to an investigation. 161 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: And just to understand with Grant's death, which seemingly comes 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: about as a result of his truck, this heavy truck. 163 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, this truck. It's not some tiny little thing 164 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: that I don't care how powerful of an athlete. He was, 165 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about a truck that weighs anywhere from the 166 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: curve weaves anywhere from about thirty six hundred pounds to 167 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: almost forty three hundred pounds. It's a four door truck. 168 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: It's heavy. 169 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: This is the explanation of what happened, according to Aaron Solomon, 170 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: who was the only person we know that was sitting 171 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: right there and is there his words from the police report. 172 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: My son, Grant, and I pulled into WPI separately, parked 173 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: side by side. I was still in my car but 174 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: noticed my son got out to get his baseball gear 175 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: out of the back of his truck. I look down 176 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: to check a work email, and the next thing I know, 177 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: I hear the truck rolling backwards into the ditch. I 178 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: get out of my car to try to find my 179 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: son and saw that he was trapped underneath the truck 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: and immediately called nine to one one. 181 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: One of the things that I was very curious about Dave. 182 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: In this case, the father alleges in his initial report 183 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: that Grant went into the bed of his truck to 184 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: retrieve his back, and somewhere along the way that story 185 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: was changed. 186 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: It was actually five days later. 187 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: My understanding is he normally kept it in the cab 188 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: of the truck. 189 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: So we have the first statement to the police. The 190 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: next thing was actually a week later, five days give 191 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: or take, and it was recorded by Grant's mother, Grace. 192 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: Now remember Grace and Aaron Solomon were divorced. Bottom line 193 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: here is we had Aaron's first story to police. Looks 194 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: down in an email, looks back up, the car, truck's 195 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: gone rolling down the hill. Where's Grant? Now? A couple 196 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: of days later, he is explaining this to Grant's mother 197 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: the way the video. I've actually watched this. It appears 198 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: to be a video that she recorded on her phone. 199 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: You never get a full on video of his face. 200 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: You really are looking at his feet, but you can 201 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: clearly hear him rather explain to Grant's mother, Angie, what happened. 202 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: He said, quote, I didn't see to the point where 203 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: he gets to this. And at this point Aaron is 204 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: showing Angie how Grant was getting his baseball gear out 205 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: of the back seat of the truck, not the bet 206 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 2: of the truck, out of the back seat, directly behind 207 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: the driver's seat. He's standing there at the door. He says, 208 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: this is the last thing I see. Angie asked, did 209 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: he close that door? Aaron says, he was closing the door. 210 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: He's referring to the back door. That's what he's actually 211 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: pointing at. He was closing the door when I saw him, 212 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: and so pause, and the doors were closed when I 213 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: get out. He has changed his story in the space 214 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: of a couple of days from Grant is getting his 215 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: stuff out of the back bed of the truck to 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: out of the back seat of the truck, and the 217 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: door is now open and closed. 218 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: It's an amazing dynamic when you look at the facility itself, 219 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the parking lot, the parking lot, and the building. The 220 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: building is kind of a standard aluminum sided type of 221 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: building like you see where people will set up garages 222 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: and those sorts of things for their businesses on the 223 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: side of the road. It's a kind of a tall structure. 224 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know if I would call it a 225 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: two story, but it has to be large enough. The 226 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: building itself has to be large enough to accommodate somebody 227 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: swinging a bat in there with properly a pitching machine, 228 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: a pitching mount. With that said, there is an asphalted 229 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: parking lot in front of it. And so where the 230 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: truck winds up, the truck winds up adjacent to the 231 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: roadway where they have turned in to into the parking lot. 232 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: And this is like from the road to that parking area, 233 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: this is probably at minimum a twenty percent grade that 234 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: you're going up, possibly thirty. So it's pitched up. And 235 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: here's the thing. The way this dynamic appears to have 236 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: happened is that, according to what they're saying, is that 237 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: when this truck rolled back, it apparently captured Grant in 238 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: some way and drug him along down this pitched parking 239 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: lot down into a draining s ditch, where the truck 240 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: comes to rest facing back toward the building and Grant 241 00:14:43,760 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: is found beneath the truck. Dave, I don't know if 242 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: you know this or not, but we've covered some cases 243 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: on body bags involving bludgeoning and that goes to what's 244 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: referred to as blunt force trauma. Did you know that 245 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: the number one cause of blunt force trauma in America 246 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: is It has nothing to do with somebody wielding item 247 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: to hit somebody in the head with or anything like that. 248 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: It involves motor vehicle accidents. That's the number one cause 249 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: of blunt force trauma to bodies. It's what brings about death. 250 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: In Grant Solomon's case, we're talking about what would arguably 251 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: be from a dynamic standpoint, a pretty horrific event as 252 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: it applies to the trauma that would be witnessed on 253 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: this young man's body. And for my money, when you're 254 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: talking about this, we're missing a few things. 255 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: Here based on description of what took place. What would 256 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: we expect to find on Grant Solomon's body had he 257 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: been drug by his twenty fifteen Toyota to come a 258 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: pickup truck, if he had been dragged down the parking 259 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: lot all the way into the ditch at the truck 260 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: resting on his body, what would we expect to see? 261 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm not trying to be a smart alec 262 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: by responding to you this way, but one of the 263 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: things you would expect to see are drag marks. And 264 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't mean drag marks in the sense of when 265 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about working at crom scene where we're looking 266 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: to see if someone has drug a body off. That's 267 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. Drag marks. Everybody just kind 268 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: of take a look at your arm right now and 269 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: imagine you've got a superficial abrasion, say on the surface 270 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: the palmer surface of your hand, or maybe on your forearm, 271 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: and everybody knows what an abrasion looks like. And with 272 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: drag marks in particular, they're going to be what's referred 273 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: to as many times striated, which means they've got multiple 274 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: little lines that you'll see. And it's an abrasion where 275 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: the skin, that top layer of skin, the epidermis and 276 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: the dermis, which is just below the epidermists, begin to 277 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of peel back because it's a friction kind of 278 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: injury where you're fighting to maintain one position, but yet 279 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: you're being drug along. And this is what's allegedly happened. 280 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: Remember we're talking about a thirty six hundred pounds plus 281 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: vehicle dragging this young man along. You would have drag 282 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: marks all over the body, any exposed area where if 283 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: you've got bare arms or bare legs, maybe he's in shorts, 284 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: you'll see him on the sides of the face. Many 285 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: times it will be the nastiest abrasion that you will 286 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: ever see. And you see them particularly where pedestrians are 287 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: struck by vehicles and if they are caught beneath the 288 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: undercarriage of a vehicle because the vehicle is going is 289 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: not going to stop moving into either someone breaks somebody 290 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: he puts it in park, or just the say, for instance, 291 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: the inertial energy of that potential energy that's in a 292 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: vehicle that's heavy, where you have it sitting on a 293 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 1: grade of twenty five degree save, for instance, where that 294 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: energy is going to dissipate and finally it's going to 295 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: come into a resting position. Maybe the geography is going 296 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: to dictate that where we have a ditch here, there's 297 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: no way because you're fighting against it. You're still alive, 298 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to fight, and so that contact with these 299 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: surfaces is really going to rough your skin up. David, 300 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: there's nothing like that here. I mean, there's nothing like it. 301 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: You're talking about him literally being pulled along the surface 302 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: of an asphalt parking lot, which all of us can 303 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: identify with down hill, which is covered in grass, and 304 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: we still don't know how many grass stains we're on 305 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: this clothing. That's something else in dirt marks that we 306 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: look for, and they can be strided as well. You'll 307 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: see that kind of contacting onto the surface of clothing 308 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: and to flesh, and also where the truck has come 309 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: to rest, Dave, there is a huge collection because it 310 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: literally comes to rest in a ditch. There is a 311 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: huge collection of drainage trucks. And when I say draining trucks, 312 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like pea gravel. I am talking 313 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: about these big, rough edged stones. And it doesn't take 314 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: a forensic scientist to sit here and tell you what 315 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of damage that could do to a body. But 316 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: yet there's something lacking when it comes to injuries on 317 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Grant's remains. 318 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: And what about his shoes? Would I expect to see 319 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: some kind of drag marks on the heel or bottom 320 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: or sides of those shoes. 321 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: One of the things we try to do, you know, 322 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: is humans, when we're reacting to being kind of caught 323 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: up in the energy of something that is moving us along, 324 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: is to stop it. And I've seen images of grant shoes. 325 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: They've got wear on on them, but relatively speaking, compared 326 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: to what you would normally see at an accident scene 327 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: with a motor vehicle, you're going to have significant scuff 328 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: marks on them. You'll have contact trace contact that comes 329 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: that will many times ravage any kind of material that's 330 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: associated with it. The shoes are in really good condition. 331 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Grant's mother was in possession of the shoes. And here's 332 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: one other thing that you see when it comes to 333 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: a vehicle dragging somebody along. The other thing that you 334 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: will see is not just injuries to the tissue where 335 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: the tissue is greatly disrupted, but you will also see 336 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: what will referred to as rollover injuries. Okay, let me 337 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: kind of run that down to you. Tell you what 338 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: happens with rollover injuries. If you are literally rolled over, 339 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: say you're you're caught beneath the undercarriage of a vehicle, 340 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: there is this dynamic where your body is kind of 341 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: spinning in this environment as well, clothing is getting twisted 342 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: you're moving around, your clothing will actually be torn. And 343 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: if the car completely clears an individual, say the tires 344 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: roll over a body, you've got the dynamic of the 345 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: tire spinning. You'll have tire tread marks on bodies. Many 346 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: times you can actually see the imprint of tire treads 347 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: on flesh and the skin will be not just the 348 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: skin will be torn, but the clothing will be torn. Dave. 349 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: And if you don't believe that cars can leave behind 350 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: trace evidence. Everybody out there hearing my voice, do yourself 351 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: a favor. Go out to your car. I wouldn't recommend 352 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: you do this after you've just shut it off, but 353 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: stick your hand underneath the car and press the underside 354 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: of and draw your hand out and see if your 355 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: hand what the surface of your palm looks like. After that, 356 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: you're going to have road dirt all over your hand, 357 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: You'll have grease deposition. Sometimes there's all of this kind 358 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: of contact trace that winds up on the body. And 359 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: to the best of our understanding, at this point, there's 360 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: really no evidence of that. But I think that Grant 361 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: did have some pretty significant injuries, if I'm not mistaken. 362 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: But they're very specific, aren't they. 363 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: Dave, you pointed out something about going out to your 364 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: car and touching the underside, and you said, don't do 365 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: it if it's hot, wait till it cools down. And 366 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: that's important to note here, because what we do know 367 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: is that Grant has just driven his car over an 368 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 2: hour across three counties and arrives at this facility at 369 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: about eight thirty in the morning. The nine to one 370 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: one call is placed at eight forty four in the morning, 371 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: so fifteen minutes after arrival, I would expect that that 372 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: car undercarriage would be hot and dirty from the hour 373 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: long drive. We also, up to this point, all we 374 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: know is the story that we're told from Aaron Solomon, 375 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: the father, and a couple of things of note, he 376 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: doesn't say he heard Grant's scream, just that here's the 377 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: car rolling on the nine one one call. He is 378 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: referring to three other men helping to get his son 379 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: from underneath this vehicle. When police arrive, these three men 380 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: who stopped everything to try to help this young man, 381 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: they're gone. 382 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: And have the police that conducted the investigation into this case. 383 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: I think my understanding is they've never been able to 384 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: track down these three men that were there. 385 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: Nobody's come forward. Hey, that was me. I was there. 386 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: This is aside from all of the other things that 387 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: are kind of swirling around in the world in which 388 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: this child en dwelled, because to me, he is a child. 389 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: He's eighteen. I know he's a child. You know how 390 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: I talked at when we first let in Dave about 391 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: how circumstantial evidence many times can distract in an investigation, 392 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: if particularly in my world if you don't focus on 393 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: the injuries. Let's focus on the injuries just for a moment, 394 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: and remember this. After having been caught beneath the vehicle, 395 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: Grant's cause of death was a single injury to the 396 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: back of his head that has been related as being 397 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: the fatal blow. Now, how did that blow come about? 398 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Did it come about as a result of being struck 399 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: by a vehicle, Did it come about as a result 400 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: of being rolled over by vehicle, Did it come about 401 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: as a result of being drug by vehicle, or is 402 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: it something else? Well, it's very specific. If you'll put 403 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: your hand on the back of your head and go 404 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: to the left side of the rear of your head, 405 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: there was a laceration right there, and underlying that specific 406 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: area is where the fatal injury exists. Now, Grant also 407 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: had an injury to his left cheek, which would be 408 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: on the same side of the head as the injury 409 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: to the back of his head, and he also had 410 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: an injury a bruise on his hip. But other than that, 411 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: his body is absent much of the trauma that you 412 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: would normally associate with someone that had been struck and 413 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: drug and come to rest on a pile of rocks 414 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: with thirty two hundred pound plus vehicle resting a top 415 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: of the body. Because here's the thing. It has been 416 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: stated that the truck was resting atop the body, and 417 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: I guess the body was beneath the truck. But it 418 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: has also been stated that potentially he had been rolled 419 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: over by the tires, but there's not a lot of 420 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: evidence to back that up. 421 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: Grant Solomon's manner of death was determined to be a 422 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: tragic accident, and investigation determined Grant was killed after he 423 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: was struck by his own vehicle. Aaron Solomon adamantly denies 424 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: any wrongdoing in his son's death. He has not been 425 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: charged in connection. A petition on chain dot org calls 426 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: for further investigation. 427 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks