WEBVTT - Heavyweight: Live from New York 0:00:15.210 --> 0:00:26.810 Pushkin. In October, the Heavyweight Gang gathered in New York 0:00:26.850 --> 0:00:30.290 City for a live event at Caveat on the Lower 0:00:30.330 --> 0:00:33.209 East Side. If I may be so bold as to 0:00:33.290 --> 0:00:36.290 speak on behalf of the crowd, the Weight staff, and 0:00:36.370 --> 0:00:39.930 Pushkin Industries as a whole. A lovely time was had 0:00:39.970 --> 0:00:42.570 by all. There was a wall to write down your 0:00:42.610 --> 0:00:45.250 regrets and a meet and greet where you could take 0:00:45.290 --> 0:00:46.409 a picture with yours. 0:00:46.450 --> 0:00:50.330 Truly, thank you. I feel like I'm smiling. 0:00:49.970 --> 0:00:50.690 At all these pictures. 0:00:51.810 --> 0:00:52.770 Not quite a smile. 0:00:52.890 --> 0:00:55.530 It feels like you're my soul animal, So good luck 0:00:55.530 --> 0:00:56.529 to your soul Heavyweight. 0:00:56.610 --> 0:00:58.810 The first episode came out when I was twelve, for 0:00:59.010 --> 0:01:00.010 twenty two next week. 0:01:00.250 --> 0:01:03.130 Now, I feel like I practically raised you. If you 0:01:03.130 --> 0:01:05.330 weren't able to attend, fear not. 0:01:05.890 --> 0:01:09.089 We've recorded the event so that you can still expel 0:01:09.090 --> 0:01:13.130 experience it at home, half undressed and drinking less expensive 0:01:13.170 --> 0:01:15.570 beverages through the miracle of audio. 0:01:16.130 --> 0:01:19.850 Hi, everybody, thank you so much for coming to this 0:01:20.010 --> 0:01:23.210 live event celebrating the launch of the new season of Heavyweights. 0:01:23.810 --> 0:01:26.850 We're so glad you're here. My name is Greta Cohen. 0:01:26.850 --> 0:01:28.890 I'm the CEO of Puchkin Industries. We are the audio 0:01:28.970 --> 0:01:30.970 network that is the home to Heavyweight, and we are 0:01:31.010 --> 0:01:34.410 so thrilled that they are part of our network. The 0:01:34.450 --> 0:01:37.090 new season's wonderful. I'm sure you've all been listening to it, 0:01:37.210 --> 0:01:40.410 and today you're in for a real treat. Later on, 0:01:40.730 --> 0:01:43.010 the producers of the show, Stevie Lane and Khalila Holt, 0:01:43.050 --> 0:01:44.610 will be coming on stage and they're going to answer, 0:01:44.650 --> 0:01:47.650 along with Jonathan, some of your questions that you've submitted. 0:01:48.330 --> 0:01:51.530 But first Jonathan will be joining us to do a 0:01:51.570 --> 0:01:55.370 live reading. He has asked me to read an introduction 0:01:55.530 --> 0:02:01.370 to this reading. Okay, Jonathan asked me to read this 0:02:01.450 --> 0:02:04.650 introduction to his reading of the Old Testament of canaan 0:02:04.650 --> 0:02:09.049 able for those of you Heathens who have never cracked 0:02:09.010 --> 0:02:12.450 open a Bible or unscrolled to Torah. Cain and Abel 0:02:12.490 --> 0:02:15.329 were the sons of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve 0:02:15.530 --> 0:02:18.250 lived in a beautiful garden called Eden, where they frolicked 0:02:18.250 --> 0:02:21.730 in the nude all day. But relax, Back then, nudity 0:02:21.770 --> 0:02:24.250 was less a rio de janio hbo after dark thing 0:02:24.610 --> 0:02:27.290 and more a Nordic healthspot thing filled with good. 0:02:27.090 --> 0:02:28.690 Clean living and fruit platters. 0:02:29.690 --> 0:02:32.890 Also, everyone in Eden got to live forever and not 0:02:33.010 --> 0:02:35.130 have to go through painful childbirth or. 0:02:35.090 --> 0:02:35.889 Work for a living. 0:02:36.010 --> 0:02:38.450 It was a pretty groovy trip until the whole Tree 0:02:38.450 --> 0:02:41.209 of Knowledge thing went down and Adam and Eve were expelled. 0:02:42.130 --> 0:02:45.170 Jonathan has here chosen to retell the story of Adam 0:02:45.210 --> 0:02:47.970 and Eve's kids, Cana and Abel, who were born after 0:02:48.050 --> 0:02:51.410 the expulsion, as an illustration of the very first Heavyweight, 0:02:51.890 --> 0:02:55.370 A Heavyweight in which two beefing brothers are reconciled by 0:02:55.410 --> 0:02:59.410 the Lord. On Heavyweight, the role of the Lord is 0:02:59.490 --> 0:03:04.930 played by Jonathan Goldstein. Ladies and Gentlemen Jonathan Goldstein. 0:03:28.890 --> 0:03:32.690 Back in those first days, things changed very quickly. A 0:03:32.730 --> 0:03:35.490 new person being born meant there was a giant spike 0:03:35.570 --> 0:03:39.890 in the population. For Cain, his younger brother Abel's birth 0:03:40.210 --> 0:03:44.570 made the planet feel lopsided. He watched Eve bounce able 0:03:44.650 --> 0:03:47.730 in her lap and felt the Earth's gravity tilt in 0:03:47.810 --> 0:03:51.210 their direction. It pulled at the insides of his stomach 0:03:51.490 --> 0:03:55.250 and made him seasick. Years later, Adam and Eve would 0:03:55.290 --> 0:03:58.330 have many more children, but just then there was only 0:03:58.450 --> 0:04:02.370 Cain and Abel. Because there was nobody else, the brothers 0:04:02.410 --> 0:04:06.010 grew close. They played each other's stomachs like snare drums, 0:04:06.290 --> 0:04:08.890 cracked each other's knuckles as though they were cracking their 0:04:10.290 --> 0:04:13.690 They were different though. Abel was a thinker. He thought 0:04:13.730 --> 0:04:16.729 about things. If he bit off his own pinky toe, 0:04:17.010 --> 0:04:20.210 would it grow back. Cain, on the other hand, was 0:04:20.250 --> 0:04:22.969 a doer. He'd reel back his fist and break a 0:04:23.010 --> 0:04:27.289 donkey's nose for the sheer thrill of it all. One day, 0:04:27.409 --> 0:04:29.889 when Adam and Eve thought the children were old enough, 0:04:30.210 --> 0:04:33.689 they sat them down and told them about the screw up. 0:04:34.650 --> 0:04:37.809 What does it mean to die, asked Cain. We're not 0:04:37.890 --> 0:04:41.770 exactly sure, said Eve, but basically, one day, and this 0:04:41.890 --> 0:04:44.650 is not any day soon, we will no longer be. 0:04:45.770 --> 0:04:50.169 There was silence. Then Abel spoke up. If we won't be, 0:04:50.330 --> 0:04:53.130 he said, then we won't even know that we're not being. 0:04:53.650 --> 0:04:55.890 There will be no we to see that we can 0:04:55.929 --> 0:04:59.529 no longer be. Yes, I guess that's true, said their mother. 0:04:59.969 --> 0:05:03.850 Well put, Abel smiled and went back to mashing a 0:05:03.929 --> 0:05:07.929 mutton liver into patay. Cain, on the other hand, felt 0:05:07.929 --> 0:05:11.609 like a sharp Plumpit had been forcefully lodged down his throat. 0:05:12.369 --> 0:05:15.089 All his life, he had felt like himself, that his 0:05:15.169 --> 0:05:18.970 face and fingers, that his thoughts were his own. Now 0:05:19.010 --> 0:05:21.650 he felt like they were someone else's, someone who could 0:05:21.690 --> 0:05:25.249 yank them away at any chosen moment. Until then, it 0:05:25.289 --> 0:05:27.609 had never crossed his mind that such a thing could 0:05:27.650 --> 0:05:31.889 even be possible. The brothers continued to live their lives, 0:05:31.929 --> 0:05:34.610 but all the while Kine felt a new sadness. It 0:05:34.810 --> 0:05:37.049 ate with him, worked with him, and in the morning 0:05:37.089 --> 0:05:40.249 it raised from his bed with him dying. It just 0:05:40.289 --> 0:05:44.210 didn't make any sense. He knew this deep in his heart. 0:05:44.409 --> 0:05:47.369 He thought nothing was more important than making God change 0:05:47.369 --> 0:05:51.450 his mind. He began to take his sacrifices more seriously. 0:05:51.849 --> 0:05:56.969 They became elaborate and garish. They involved richly choreographed interpretive dances, 0:05:57.289 --> 0:06:01.689 colorful oblong facial masks, and the very best of his legomes. 0:06:02.330 --> 0:06:07.289 But God never answered. Cain started to change. When he 0:06:07.330 --> 0:06:10.370 got a splinter, he cursed the heavy, all out of proportion. 0:06:11.210 --> 0:06:13.770 Back in the garden of Eden, there were no splinters. 0:06:14.650 --> 0:06:17.569 He even started to resent his parents. He spoke of 0:06:17.609 --> 0:06:21.170 them as though they had gambled away his inheritance. If 0:06:21.169 --> 0:06:23.849 it hadn't been for dumb dumb number one, tempting dumb 0:06:23.929 --> 0:06:28.289 dumb number two, we'd be living in luxury. Kane tried 0:06:28.289 --> 0:06:30.689 to get Abel all worked up about the whole thing too. 0:06:31.250 --> 0:06:33.890 But Abel had an easy come, easy go, we all 0:06:33.929 --> 0:06:38.009 have to die someday attitude that drove his brother nuts. 0:06:38.890 --> 0:06:42.569 Cain invented a game he called it get the hell 0:06:42.609 --> 0:06:46.729 out of Eden. He always insisted on playing. God, get 0:06:46.770 --> 0:06:50.770 your naked asses out of here, yelled God, What but 0:06:50.849 --> 0:06:53.329 we just got here? Yelled at him and Eve. Maybe 0:06:53.330 --> 0:06:57.450 there's some kind of mistake. The Lord does not make mistakes. 0:06:58.010 --> 0:07:00.330 God would then kick his brother, who would fall to 0:07:00.409 --> 0:07:00.929 the ground. 0:07:01.650 --> 0:07:03.369 Please please have mercy on me. 0:07:03.489 --> 0:07:07.729 His brother would cry, Let's play something else, but God 0:07:07.770 --> 0:07:13.290 would only laugh. Abel also made sacrifices to God. Every week, 0:07:13.330 --> 0:07:17.210 he would choose the fattest sheep as an offering. Everything 0:07:17.250 --> 0:07:19.809 Abel did in life was for a reason. He ate 0:07:19.929 --> 0:07:22.610 so that he would not be hungry. He made clothes 0:07:22.690 --> 0:07:25.769 so that he would not be cooled. But making sacrifices 0:07:25.810 --> 0:07:28.210 to God, he did it for reasons he could never know. 0:07:28.810 --> 0:07:30.170 He did it simply because. 0:07:29.890 --> 0:07:32.369 He was told to. There was something about that that 0:07:32.450 --> 0:07:33.889 made him feel clean and deep. 0:07:35.330 --> 0:07:37.610 Adam and Eve made their sacrifices, had a fear of 0:07:37.650 --> 0:07:41.730 being further punished, and Cain was pleading for answers and changes, 0:07:42.090 --> 0:07:45.570 but able fulfilled his obligation and walked away, expecting nothing 0:07:45.570 --> 0:07:48.170 from God. He was glad with the way things were, 0:07:48.650 --> 0:07:50.010 and God could not have helped. 0:07:50.050 --> 0:07:53.810 Liking that. Meanwhile, Cain decided to test out a. 0:07:53.770 --> 0:07:56.490 New approach with the Lord. He believed that God would 0:07:56.489 --> 0:07:59.009 have greater respect for him if he did not kowtow 0:07:59.650 --> 0:08:02.490 He's going to kill us, he thought. He wanted God 0:08:02.530 --> 0:08:04.809 to understand that he couldn't walk all over people and 0:08:04.850 --> 0:08:07.329 then still have them come crawling back with their arms 0:08:07.369 --> 0:08:11.369 loaded with gifts. Woh, they had to get tough. So 0:08:11.530 --> 0:08:15.410 Cain's sacrifices grew lackadaisical. He didn't even bother to check 0:08:15.450 --> 0:08:18.009 of his gifts were being received. That would look like 0:08:18.050 --> 0:08:21.530 he was caving. Then one day, while Cain was lying 0:08:21.530 --> 0:08:25.210 in a field, Abel came running over. God spoke to me, 0:08:25.410 --> 0:08:28.329 cried Abel. Cain sat up and looked at his brother. 0:08:29.010 --> 0:08:31.690 What did he say? He said, he was a great 0:08:31.690 --> 0:08:34.089 fan of my lamb chops. He told me to keep 0:08:34.130 --> 0:08:38.250 up the good work. Was my name mentioned, asked Cain. 0:08:39.090 --> 0:08:39.929 It didn't come up. 0:08:41.330 --> 0:08:43.410 What was it like to hear his voice? Ask Cain. 0:08:44.050 --> 0:08:48.370 Look at me, said Abel, I'm still shaking. There was 0:08:48.410 --> 0:08:50.850 a certain pang that Cain started to feel. It was 0:08:50.890 --> 0:08:54.050 in his stomach. He felt the pang grow sharpest when 0:08:54.050 --> 0:08:56.770 he looked upon his brother. He could hardly speak with 0:08:56.890 --> 0:09:00.090 him without having to hunch over in pain. Since the 0:09:00.090 --> 0:09:02.370 world was still new and no one had yet felt 0:09:02.370 --> 0:09:04.850 this way, Cain did not know that it was jealousy 0:09:04.890 --> 0:09:08.290 he was feeling. Instead, he decided that his stomach no 0:09:08.370 --> 0:09:11.690 longer wanted to be his stomach. It wanted to escape 0:09:11.690 --> 0:09:15.130 his rib cage. It wanted to be Able's stomach. This 0:09:15.330 --> 0:09:18.010 was because he wanted to be able. There was no 0:09:18.130 --> 0:09:22.050 shame in this. Being able meant being happy. Being Cain 0:09:22.490 --> 0:09:26.610 meant being wretched. He had a plan. He approached Able 0:09:26.690 --> 0:09:29.530 with it. He decided to just spring it on him. 0:09:30.090 --> 0:09:33.410 I am no longer Cain, he said, I am now able. 0:09:33.850 --> 0:09:38.730 We are both able, all right, said Abel. The two 0:09:38.850 --> 0:09:42.450 Ables performed routines for the amusement of their brothers and sisters. 0:09:43.210 --> 0:09:47.890 How's that, Apple, Able? It's fine Able. But then one 0:09:47.970 --> 0:09:51.210 day Kine asked, if I am able, am I just 0:09:51.290 --> 0:09:54.850 as much able as you yourself are able? I suppose 0:09:54.890 --> 0:09:57.890 that's true, said Abel. Then before God, are we both 0:09:57.930 --> 0:09:58.450 not able? 0:09:58.770 --> 0:10:02.090 Asked Cain. Well in the case of being before God. 0:10:02.170 --> 0:10:04.450 I think at that time I would be able and 0:10:04.490 --> 0:10:08.610 you would go back to being Cain. Cain's eyes lingered 0:10:08.650 --> 0:10:11.410 on his breath. He looked at this other able as 0:10:11.450 --> 0:10:14.890 standing in the way of who he was. He was able. 0:10:15.170 --> 0:10:18.450 He knew this in his heart. He simply wanted it more. 0:10:20.090 --> 0:10:23.410 Abel was among his flock when Cain neared him. Slowly, 0:10:23.570 --> 0:10:26.650 Kane pulled out his rock, and slowly he lifted it 0:10:26.810 --> 0:10:30.490 into the air. This way God will have to show himself. 0:10:30.930 --> 0:10:33.650 This way, God will have to stop playing possum and 0:10:33.690 --> 0:10:38.530 get directly involved. These were Cain's thoughts. Still, though there 0:10:38.570 --> 0:10:41.090 was no sign of God. He looked at the back 0:10:41.170 --> 0:10:44.610 of Abel's head. Then he looked into the sky, just 0:10:44.650 --> 0:10:47.170 in case God was reading his mind. He thought to himself, 0:10:47.250 --> 0:10:50.450 I'm really really going to do it. He brought his 0:10:50.570 --> 0:10:53.130 rock down onto his brother's head. He could hear no 0:10:53.250 --> 0:10:57.090 sound at all. Abel just toppled over. He toppled over 0:10:57.130 --> 0:11:00.170 the way he did everything with an easy going acceptance. 0:11:00.810 --> 0:11:03.730 He sank to the earth, as though thinking I must fall, 0:11:03.810 --> 0:11:04.650 so I will fall. 0:11:05.330 --> 0:11:07.850 I am falling. I have fallen. 0:11:09.330 --> 0:11:09.490 Here. 0:11:09.530 --> 0:11:14.250 It was death. Cain couldn't believe it. He'd been sure 0:11:14.250 --> 0:11:16.930 that at the last moment, God would step in. He'd 0:11:16.930 --> 0:11:19.410 have thought only God could take a person's life, But 0:11:19.490 --> 0:11:22.370 it was as simple as killing a sheep. Abel his 0:11:22.490 --> 0:11:25.490 eyes wide and unblinking, stared directly into the mystery of 0:11:25.490 --> 0:11:27.610 life and death, and he was not saying a word 0:11:27.650 --> 0:11:30.930 about any of it. The sheep continued to graze, and 0:11:30.930 --> 0:11:34.370 the sun continued to shine. There were no bolts of lightning, 0:11:34.410 --> 0:11:37.490 no booming voice from behind the clouds. Life went on. 0:11:39.090 --> 0:11:42.530 That night, God appeared before Cain in a dream. Where 0:11:42.650 --> 0:11:45.970 is your brother? Asked God. It's always about my brother, 0:11:46.090 --> 0:11:49.170 said Cain. You ever ask where I am? No that 0:11:49.210 --> 0:11:49.890 you don't think of. 0:11:51.130 --> 0:11:51.970 What have you done? 0:11:52.050 --> 0:11:57.050 Asked God? Am I my brother's keeper, asked Cain. God 0:11:57.090 --> 0:12:00.370 did not answer, He just gave him a look. It 0:12:00.410 --> 0:12:04.050 made Cain feel naked and small. He then felt the 0:12:04.050 --> 0:12:07.370 finger of God upon his forehead. It sank through his 0:12:07.450 --> 0:12:11.410 head and into his brain, where it spoke. The earth 0:12:11.450 --> 0:12:14.210 shall scorn you, said the voice from the finger. I 0:12:14.330 --> 0:12:17.290 shall scorn you. You will wander the earth and death 0:12:17.330 --> 0:12:20.330 will not come. There will be no escape. All will 0:12:20.330 --> 0:12:22.730 look upon you, and none will dare kill you, for 0:12:22.810 --> 0:12:26.410 they will know you by your mark. God withdrew his finger, 0:12:26.490 --> 0:12:30.130 leaving behind a fingerprint on Cain's forehead. It was shaped 0:12:30.170 --> 0:12:34.570 like a teardrop. At first, he tried to convince himself 0:12:34.570 --> 0:12:36.730 that the mark was to protect him, that he had 0:12:36.770 --> 0:12:39.530 a secret pact with God, that they understood each other. 0:12:40.210 --> 0:12:41.530 For a while, he would wake. 0:12:41.450 --> 0:12:44.170 Up in the morning and pretend to be immortal and famous, 0:12:44.570 --> 0:12:47.490 but he was not very good at pretending. As the 0:12:47.530 --> 0:12:51.210 centuries passed, Cain abandoned farming and roam the earth. He 0:12:51.250 --> 0:12:53.570 walked with a sense of purpose, just in case anyone 0:12:53.690 --> 0:12:56.130 was watching, but in his heart he knew he had 0:12:56.130 --> 0:12:59.450 nowhere to go. He became so lonely and full of 0:12:59.490 --> 0:13:02.650 regret that instead of fearing death, he became yearnful of it. 0:13:03.170 --> 0:13:06.050 He would chase after bears, and they would scamper away. 0:13:06.730 --> 0:13:10.370 They haven't the guts, He'd say, run cowards, He'd call 0:13:10.450 --> 0:13:13.210 after the tigers, look at me, He'd cry into the 0:13:13.250 --> 0:13:15.530 face of an alligator as he tried in vain to 0:13:15.570 --> 0:13:20.770 pry open its jaws. More centuries passed, and Cain's desire 0:13:20.850 --> 0:13:24.250 for death became nearly constant. He would think about able 0:13:24.370 --> 0:13:27.170 up in heaven, paling around with God flying through the 0:13:27.170 --> 0:13:30.450 clouds on God's shoulders, while he was left to putts 0:13:30.450 --> 0:13:33.650 around for hundreds of years, begging his own children to 0:13:33.730 --> 0:13:37.770 drive sharpened branches through his heart. In life, Cain had 0:13:37.810 --> 0:13:40.170 been jealous of his brother, but it was in death 0:13:40.210 --> 0:13:42.650 that he became more jealous than he ever thought possible. 0:13:44.010 --> 0:13:47.050 Over time, Cain could no longer remember very much at all. 0:13:47.530 --> 0:13:49.810 Twenty years after the death of his brother, it seemed 0:13:49.850 --> 0:13:52.770 like it was only yesterday, But after two hundred years 0:13:52.770 --> 0:13:55.730 it felt like something that might have happened in a dream. 0:13:55.890 --> 0:13:59.410 There were details he remembered that now seemed improbable, like 0:13:59.450 --> 0:14:01.730 the way he saw his brother's soul leave his body, 0:14:02.050 --> 0:14:06.250 and the way he'd waved goodbye to him and winked. 0:14:06.930 --> 0:14:09.370 After three hundred and four hundred years at all felt 0:14:09.370 --> 0:14:11.690 so long ago that who he was back then felt 0:14:11.690 --> 0:14:14.570 like someone else. When people he met asked him questions 0:14:14.570 --> 0:14:16.570 about the old days, he just made stuff up. 0:14:17.050 --> 0:14:18.290 We had wings, he said. 0:14:19.930 --> 0:14:23.170 After five hundred years, his story was repeated so often 0:14:23.450 --> 0:14:26.650 that he only remembered the repeating, not the events themselves. 0:14:27.410 --> 0:14:30.090 It sounded like a fable, something that might have just 0:14:30.130 --> 0:14:32.690 as easily happened to a fox and a rabbit. As 0:14:32.690 --> 0:14:36.090 to himself and his brother, he began to doubt everything. 0:14:36.770 --> 0:14:39.650 He even began to wonder whether he had actually ever 0:14:39.690 --> 0:14:42.610 heard God's voice, whether the mark on his forehead was 0:14:42.650 --> 0:14:45.850 the mark of God and not just another liver spot. 0:14:46.770 --> 0:14:49.170 Was this a part of the punishment? He wondered to 0:14:49.210 --> 0:14:52.330 be left so uncertain of whether God really was or 0:14:52.330 --> 0:14:56.610 whether God was only something inside his own head. After 0:14:56.650 --> 0:14:59.050 seven hundred years, when he told the story to himself 0:14:59.170 --> 0:15:02.130 or heard it told by others, he felt nothing. He 0:15:02.170 --> 0:15:05.530 was too old to feel guilt or remorse or anything. 0:15:06.050 --> 0:15:09.210 He didn't even miss his brother anymore. He wanted nothing 0:15:09.250 --> 0:15:12.730 from God. He wanted nothing from the world. The world 0:15:12.970 --> 0:15:15.730 was what it was. He didn't need it to change. 0:15:16.330 --> 0:15:19.410 And in this way he finally got his wish to 0:15:19.450 --> 0:15:24.410 be just like Abel. And then God let him die. 0:15:24.850 --> 0:15:25.210 Thank you. 0:15:29.770 --> 0:15:33.130 After the break a Q and A with Stevie, Khalila 0:15:33.490 --> 0:15:37.170 and Me, But first our producer Phoebe headed to the 0:15:37.170 --> 0:15:40.290 Wall of Regrets to see what regrets were trending. 0:15:40.730 --> 0:15:42.690 Can I ask you about you regret? 0:15:42.890 --> 0:15:46.450 I just really regret not going to see the catacombs 0:15:46.450 --> 0:15:49.650 when I was in Paris. I really like skulls. I 0:15:49.730 --> 0:15:50.690 wish i'd called me. 0:15:51.250 --> 0:15:53.610 I regret that I didn't pay enough in contact with 0:15:53.690 --> 0:15:55.810 certain friends of mine who are like religious and are 0:15:55.810 --> 0:15:58.370 now getting married. So I'm not getting invited to the weddings, 0:15:58.850 --> 0:16:01.170 and god do I want to be at the weddings 0:16:01.210 --> 0:16:02.690 just because I really like wedding. 0:16:02.970 --> 0:16:05.330 Do you guys mind just reading these aloud for me, 0:16:05.450 --> 0:16:07.010 like some of the ones that you're looking at. 0:16:07.290 --> 0:16:12.930 Yeah, No, find a therapist, staying night for reason, not being. 0:16:12.730 --> 0:16:16.370 More patient with my mother's cognitive decline, lacking patience with 0:16:16.450 --> 0:16:19.690 my brother's behavior than he died. How I said goodbye 0:16:19.730 --> 0:16:21.210 to my best friend before he died. 0:16:22.490 --> 0:16:23.690 I wish I joined the band. 0:16:44.650 --> 0:16:48.610 So now we are going to move into the Q 0:16:48.730 --> 0:16:51.690 and A portion of our event today, and I'd like 0:16:51.730 --> 0:16:54.370 to welcome to the stage, Khalila Holt and Stevie Lane, 0:16:54.410 --> 0:16:55.450 the producers of the show. 0:17:04.649 --> 0:17:09.410 Hi, Hello, Hi everybody, Hello, Hi bye all. 0:17:09.609 --> 0:17:15.530 So we asked you questions that you wanted to hear 0:17:16.409 --> 0:17:19.850 the Heavyweight team answer about the show, and we got 0:17:19.929 --> 0:17:22.369 so many. I think we are also going to have 0:17:22.369 --> 0:17:24.090 a little bit of time today to do some audience 0:17:24.169 --> 0:17:27.010 Q and A. Kicking things off with our Q and A. Here, 0:17:27.449 --> 0:17:31.129 what does Jonathan and Jackie's off show relationship really. 0:17:30.770 --> 0:17:31.250 Look like. 0:17:33.369 --> 0:17:34.369 Should I take this one? 0:17:34.810 --> 0:17:35.810 It's about you? 0:17:35.970 --> 0:17:39.369 So yeah, but you might have a more objective window. 0:17:41.010 --> 0:17:41.409 I don't know. 0:17:41.449 --> 0:17:45.649 I think it's a pretty accurate glimpse into our dynamic. 0:17:46.530 --> 0:17:51.650 We've been friends since childhood. She likes to laugh at 0:17:51.649 --> 0:17:54.330 me and hang up and I don't know. 0:17:54.490 --> 0:17:56.689 I mean, I mean the first time I met Jackie, 0:17:56.689 --> 0:17:59.609 I remember, we really bonded because over like she was like, 0:17:59.730 --> 0:18:02.850 isn't he annoying? And I was like, yeah, I feel 0:18:02.850 --> 0:18:03.850 like that made her like me. 0:18:05.889 --> 0:18:08.090 The first time I met Jackie, I was like, I 0:18:08.169 --> 0:18:11.970 want to be you and I grow up. She's very powerful. 0:18:12.090 --> 0:18:13.369 It's a very powerful person. 0:18:14.050 --> 0:18:16.050 Yeah, and she's a really nice person too. I mean, 0:18:16.050 --> 0:18:17.769 I don't I just bring out the worst in her. 0:18:19.090 --> 0:18:22.090 It's not her fault. I don't think she's like, yeah, 0:18:22.090 --> 0:18:26.449 she's a doctor, she helps people, she does good works. Uh, 0:18:26.490 --> 0:18:31.050 and I just bother her, you know. So I hope 0:18:31.090 --> 0:18:33.289 it's bringing some levity to her life. But truly, I 0:18:33.330 --> 0:18:33.689 don't know. 0:18:34.010 --> 0:18:35.729 But she was For the people who don't know, the 0:18:35.770 --> 0:18:38.689 backstory is well, just that you went to school together 0:18:38.689 --> 0:18:39.850 and she was like a popular girl. 0:18:39.929 --> 0:18:40.970 She was very popular. 0:18:41.490 --> 0:18:44.810 Yeah, if you really want to go deep on the backstory, 0:18:44.810 --> 0:18:47.489 I did a I did a story about a relationship 0:18:47.530 --> 0:18:50.889 on This American Life called The Allure of the Mean Friend, 0:18:51.290 --> 0:18:54.969 and I just talked to people about what Jackie Cohen 0:18:55.090 --> 0:18:59.409 meant in grade school and in junior high, and she 0:18:59.530 --> 0:19:00.090 meant a lot. 0:19:02.490 --> 0:19:06.649 Yeah, what was the hardest episode to record? 0:19:06.730 --> 0:19:10.289 And why slash? Which call has you the most nervous 0:19:10.290 --> 0:19:15.090 to dial? I was the most nervous calling sorority girls 0:19:15.129 --> 0:19:19.770 for Rose, they were very I remember there was like 0:19:19.810 --> 0:19:22.409 a Facebook thread where they were like a sketchy sounding 0:19:22.449 --> 0:19:25.570 woman left us a message and I was like, I 0:19:25.609 --> 0:19:27.490 thought I sounded really nice and normal. 0:19:29.409 --> 0:19:32.530 I think for me, it was very early and when 0:19:32.570 --> 0:19:34.810 I just joined the show and you guys were working 0:19:34.850 --> 0:19:37.010 on a story at the time, and you were trying 0:19:37.050 --> 0:19:40.850 to find this two or three fingered man who had 0:19:40.929 --> 0:19:43.009 hung up on you many times, and I was just 0:19:43.050 --> 0:19:45.490 like new and bright eyed, and I was like, what 0:19:45.530 --> 0:19:47.850 can I do to help? And John then was like, 0:19:48.290 --> 0:19:51.250 you could try calling this guy. And I called him 0:19:51.449 --> 0:19:54.770 and he told me he would find out where I lived. 0:19:54.609 --> 0:19:55.129 And killed me. 0:19:56.850 --> 0:19:59.530 Yeah, it was like a rite of passage, Like everybody 0:19:59.530 --> 0:20:02.170 who's new on the show had to call. His name 0:20:02.250 --> 0:20:06.650 is Carl, But yeah, that would have been a good 0:20:06.649 --> 0:20:07.210 story too. 0:20:07.369 --> 0:20:09.969 Yeah, the one where he finds me and murders me. 0:20:10.090 --> 0:20:12.850 He threatened to kill me. All it's just that's Karl, and. 0:20:12.770 --> 0:20:16.570 You've got a true crime serious, you know, Yeah, it's true. 0:20:16.810 --> 0:20:19.689 My hardest call was there was an episode where I 0:20:19.730 --> 0:20:22.449 was trying to find out about my psychiatrist that I 0:20:22.490 --> 0:20:24.330 had when I was a teenager and find out if 0:20:24.570 --> 0:20:27.770 she was a really good psychiatrist or you just don't 0:20:27.770 --> 0:20:31.369 know with a psychiatrist because it's so it's so sealed off, 0:20:31.609 --> 0:20:33.970 you know, you don't get or do you get great 0:20:34.090 --> 0:20:36.369 yelp ratings? Maybe now you do, back then you didn't. 0:20:37.609 --> 0:20:40.570 And I remembered someone that used to be in the 0:20:40.570 --> 0:20:42.649 waiting room when I would leave. He was a professor 0:20:42.730 --> 0:20:44.729 I once had when I was in college, and I 0:20:44.810 --> 0:20:48.130 thought maybe I can ask him, and so I had 0:20:48.169 --> 0:20:50.330 to call him and say, hey, I used to see 0:20:50.330 --> 0:20:53.210 you in the waiting room of my psychiatrist thirty odd 0:20:53.250 --> 0:20:56.570 years ago. That was very weird. That was even for me, 0:20:56.649 --> 0:20:58.529 that felt very weird. He was he had retired, he 0:20:58.570 --> 0:21:03.370 was living in Jamaica. That was a weird one who. 0:21:03.209 --> 0:21:06.049 Is a dream celebrity whose problem you'd want to solve. 0:21:06.889 --> 0:21:13.889 Oh so, Sarah Jessica Parker is a fan of the show, 0:21:15.090 --> 0:21:19.369 and all that I want is to reunite her with 0:21:19.449 --> 0:21:25.970 Kim Katrol And I email her agent every year when 0:21:25.970 --> 0:21:29.329 we're looking for stories, and I'm like just checking in, 0:21:29.570 --> 0:21:34.450 like wondering if Sarah has anybody. 0:21:34.050 --> 0:21:37.290 She maybe like needs to reconcile with. I should given 0:21:37.290 --> 0:21:42.689 it any thought. So far, she's been too busy. But 0:21:42.810 --> 0:21:44.850 now that in just like that is over, I feel 0:21:44.889 --> 0:21:46.330 like she might have more time. 0:21:46.090 --> 0:21:48.609 Perfect time, anybody else. 0:21:49.929 --> 0:21:53.170 I don't know. Celebrities don't have problems, do they. 0:21:54.409 --> 0:21:55.290 Aggie has one? 0:21:55.649 --> 0:21:57.730 Oh Augie, do you yeah? 0:21:57.730 --> 0:21:58.530 Who did you just say? 0:21:58.609 --> 0:22:00.409 Oh yeah, Kenya Klamar and Drake. 0:22:01.929 --> 0:22:05.970 Aggie is my son and he's a very big rap fan. 0:22:06.369 --> 0:22:08.249 He wants to see me reconcile the. 0:22:08.250 --> 0:22:10.410 Whole huge numbers for us. 0:22:11.929 --> 0:22:15.009 That's a idea, perfect for audio. 0:22:15.770 --> 0:22:16.570 So a good idea. 0:22:16.649 --> 0:22:21.010 Actually, I know, like why can't you Fellas just because 0:22:21.010 --> 0:22:23.210 that whole super Bowl thing was really out of hand. 0:22:23.250 --> 0:22:25.169 I mean, that was that was rough. 0:22:25.970 --> 0:22:28.649 We maybe have an opening for a new assistant producer, 0:22:29.369 --> 0:22:31.129 Aki lock In. 0:22:31.369 --> 0:22:32.810 Yeah, he's going to be nine. 0:22:34.689 --> 0:22:37.249 Part time. He can balance it with school. 0:22:38.570 --> 0:22:41.690