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Speaker 1: Pushkin. In October, the Heavyweight Gang gathered in New York

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Speaker 1: City for a live event at Caveat on the Lower

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Speaker 1: East Side. If I may be so bold as to

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Speaker 1: speak on behalf of the crowd, the Weight staff, and

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Speaker 1: Pushkin Industries as a whole. A lovely time was had

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Speaker 1: by all. There was a wall to write down your

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Speaker 1: regrets and a meet and greet where you could take

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Speaker 1: a picture with yours.

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Speaker 2: Truly, thank you. I feel like I'm smiling.

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Speaker 1: At all these pictures.

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Speaker 3: Not quite a smile.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you're my soul animal, So good luck

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Speaker 2: to your soul Heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: The first episode came out when I was twelve, for

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Speaker 1: twenty two next week.

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Speaker 2: Now, I feel like I practically raised you. If you

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Speaker 2: weren't able to attend, fear not.

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Speaker 1: We've recorded the event so that you can still expel

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Speaker 1: experience it at home, half undressed and drinking less expensive

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Speaker 1: beverages through the miracle of audio.

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Speaker 4: Hi, everybody, thank you so much for coming to this

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Speaker 4: live event celebrating the launch of the new season of Heavyweights.

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Speaker 4: We're so glad you're here. My name is Greta Cohen.

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Speaker 4: I'm the CEO of Puchkin Industries. We are the audio

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Speaker 4: network that is the home to Heavyweight, and we are

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Speaker 4: so thrilled that they are part of our network. The

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Speaker 4: new season's wonderful. I'm sure you've all been listening to it,

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Speaker 4: and today you're in for a real treat. Later on,

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Speaker 4: the producers of the show, Stevie Lane and Khalila Holt,

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Speaker 4: will be coming on stage and they're going to answer,

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Speaker 4: along with Jonathan, some of your questions that you've submitted.

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Speaker 4: But first Jonathan will be joining us to do a

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Speaker 4: live reading. He has asked me to read an introduction

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Speaker 4: to this reading. Okay, Jonathan asked me to read this

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Speaker 4: introduction to his reading of the Old Testament of canaan

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Speaker 4: able for those of you Heathens who have never cracked

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Speaker 4: open a Bible or unscrolled to Torah. Cain and Abel

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Speaker 4: were the sons of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve

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Speaker 4: lived in a beautiful garden called Eden, where they frolicked

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Speaker 4: was less a rio de janio hbo after dark thing

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Speaker 3: Clean living and fruit platters.

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Speaker 4: Also, everyone in Eden got to live forever and not

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Speaker 4: have to go through painful childbirth or.

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Speaker 4: It was a pretty groovy trip until the whole Tree

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Speaker 4: of Knowledge thing went down and Adam and Eve were expelled.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan has here chosen to retell the story of Adam

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Speaker 4: and Eve's kids, Cana and Abel, who were born after

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Speaker 4: the expulsion, as an illustration of the very first Heavyweight,

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Speaker 4: A Heavyweight in which two beefing brothers are reconciled by

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Speaker 4: the Lord. On Heavyweight, the role of the Lord is

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Speaker 4: played by Jonathan Goldstein. Ladies and Gentlemen Jonathan Goldstein.

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Speaker 1: Back in those first days, things changed very quickly. A

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Speaker 1: They were different though. Abel was a thinker. He thought

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Speaker 1: What does it mean to die, asked Cain. We're not

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Speaker 1: exactly sure, said Eve, but basically, one day, and this

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Speaker 1: There was silence. Then Abel spoke up. If we won't be,

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Speaker 1: Well put, Abel smiled and went back to mashing a

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Speaker 1: What did he say? He said, he was a great

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Speaker 2: What was it like to hear his voice? Ask Cain.

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Speaker 1: Look at me, said Abel, I'm still shaking. There was

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Speaker 1: I am no longer Cain, he said, I am now able.

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Speaker 1: We are both able, all right, said Abel. The two

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Speaker 1: How's that, Apple, Able? It's fine Able. But then one

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Speaker 2: Asked Cain. Well in the case of being before God.

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Speaker 1: you would go back to being Cain. Cain's eyes lingered

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Speaker 1: Abel was among his flock when Cain neared him. Slowly,

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Speaker 1: It was death. Cain couldn't believe it. He'd been sure

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Speaker 1: it was as simple as killing a sheep. Abel his

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Speaker 1: That night, God appeared before Cain in a dream. Where

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Speaker 1: said Cain. You ever ask where I am? No that

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Speaker 2: What have you done?

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Speaker 1: Asked God? Am I my brother's keeper, asked Cain. God

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Speaker 4: what does Jonathan and Jackie's off show relationship really.

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Speaker 6: Look like.

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Speaker 1: Should I take this one?

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Speaker 3: It's about you?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty accurate glimpse into our dynamic.

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Speaker 1: We've been friends since childhood. She likes to laugh at

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Speaker 3: And why slash? Which call has you the most nervous

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Speaker 6: And killed me.

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Speaker 8: Oh so, Sarah Jessica Parker is a fan of the show,

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Speaker 6: She maybe like needs to reconcile with. I should given

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Speaker 4: Perfect time, anybody else.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Celebrities don't have problems, do they.

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Speaker 9: Aggie has one?

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Speaker 3: Oh Augie, do you yeah?

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Speaker 1: Aggie is my son and he's a very big rap fan.

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Speaker 4: We maybe have an opening for a new assistant producer,

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Speaker 4: Aki lock In.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be nine.

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Speaker 3: Part time. He can balance it with school.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Sometimes it seems like there's no progress or revelation

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I am discouraged most of the time.

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Speaker 6: So I just I think, I just it's blind optimism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have your work cut out. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like, this is gonna be our town,

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Speaker 1: like keep working on them and like tangle them all

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Speaker 1: up together.

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Speaker 6: And then nobody would notice that none of them happened.

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Speaker 3: But truly, we spent like I think two whole days

440
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Speaker 3: laying out like what the structure would look like, and

441
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Speaker 3: then at the end of the two days, we were

442
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Speaker 3: like this is insane, and we just erased the wayboard.

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Speaker 1: I think it might have been more than two days. Really,

444
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Speaker 1: it felt like a sizable chunk of time. Yeah, I

445
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Speaker 1: don't know. There's like my friends, I don't know where

446
00:24:47,929 --> 00:24:50,889
Speaker 1: they are. The air Licks are here, Gregor.

447
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Speaker 2: And is, Yeah, you're right to gasp and.

448
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:57,529
Speaker 1: His brother Dimitri And I mean, I feel like we

449
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Speaker 1: could do a season of just like called the air Licks,

450
00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:03,049
Speaker 1: where there would be so many good stories, you know.

451
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Speaker 4: Yeah, when people are increasingly concerned about privacy, how do

452
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Speaker 4: you get people to speak to you and spill their

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Speaker 4: hearts out on tape?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have noticed a lot more people do the

455
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a scam, so I didn't answer you.

456
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if people actually think we're running

457
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Speaker 3: some elaborate, confusing scam or if that's kind of just

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Speaker 3: like a shorthand for like I didn't want to respond

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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because what kind of scam would it be? Really?

461
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Speaker 1: Not a very good one, like a real long con Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And also people don't answer the phone anyway. People

463
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Speaker 3: will answern on no number. I feel like that's changed

464
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Speaker 3: even just in the time we've been doing the show,

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Speaker 3: Like people used to pick up a lot more.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, how do we convince them to talk once they

467
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Speaker 8: once they do pick up the phone.

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Speaker 3: My feeling is like people are either inclined to do

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Speaker 3: it or not, and it doesn't matter that much what

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Speaker 3: you say, like they kind of have already made up

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Speaker 3: their mind.

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Speaker 1: But that's true. Yeah, have you ever actually convinced anybody

473
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Speaker 1: like where they.

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Speaker 3: Didn't not like a hard no to a yes. I've

475
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Speaker 3: had people who are on the fence like then they

476
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Speaker 3: think about it, agree, but.

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Speaker 2: You the most was maybe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember the Sky the

479
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Speaker 1: story about Sky who had her best friends they wrote

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Speaker 1: the F word on her garage door. I'm saying the

481
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Speaker 1: F word because my son's here and it would excite

482
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Speaker 1: him too much. And one of the girls who were

483
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Speaker 1: a part of it, she didn't want to talk, and

484
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Speaker 1: we spoke a lot. We had many conversations over several days,

485
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Speaker 1: and eventually she agreed to do it. And she agreed

486
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Speaker 1: to do it for a really nice reason, like she

487
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Speaker 1: wanted to show her daughter that it's okay, like you

488
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Speaker 1: could comp to something that you did that you're not

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Speaker 1: proud of, you know, And that was really sweet.

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Speaker 6: I also there was also Chris in the Barbara episode.

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Speaker 8: Yeah right, that was real that We did a two

492
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Speaker 8: parter about Jonathan's mother in law's childhood friend and in

493
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Speaker 8: trying to find her, we ended up on the phone

494
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Speaker 8: with someone she'd been briefly engaged to when she was younger,

495
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Speaker 8: and at first like he didn't want to talk to

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Speaker 8: the I mean, he was like threatening legal action.

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Speaker 6: He was like, my daughter's a lawyer, like I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: come after you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them any.

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Speaker 8: Party like it was, and it was very I was

501
00:27:21,929 --> 00:27:25,009
Speaker 8: producing Jonathan on the call, and it was like I

502
00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:28,010
Speaker 8: found it very scary, having flashbacks to the three fingered

503
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:33,170
Speaker 8: man kind of and you just kind of kept him

504
00:27:33,209 --> 00:27:35,409
Speaker 8: talking like that was the You just kind of kept

505
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Speaker 8: him talking. And I remember we got off the phone.

506
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Speaker 8: I was like, what made you do that? And you

507
00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:41,489
Speaker 8: were like, I just have the feeling that he actually

508
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Speaker 8: wants to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah.

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Speaker 6: He called back and was like, yeah, I do want.

511
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Speaker 1: To talk about this. So it was like, I don't know,

512
00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:51,650
Speaker 1: it was like just I felt like it was kind

513
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Speaker 1: of like the phone call that he'd been waiting for

514
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Speaker 1: for for like thirty odd years or more.

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Speaker 5: You know.

516
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Speaker 1: It just I don't know, it just had that kind

517
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Speaker 1: of feeling to it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm I've been very excited to ask you guys

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Speaker 4: this question.

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Speaker 3: Who would play you?

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Speaker 4: And have do you eat the movie?

522
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Speaker 3: I do have an answers which is just my stock answer,

523
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Speaker 3: who would play me in a movie? Which is Aubrey Palaza.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's so good.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think you know, in my mind, I'm

526
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Speaker 1: like a very lanky, tall, sort of like Johnny Knoxville type,

527
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Speaker 1: but I know that it would end up being like

528
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Speaker 1: Walla Sean. Who you know? Maybe it Paul Giametti. I

529
00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:33,810
Speaker 1: don't know you.

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Speaker 8: Uh, I really don't know how.

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Speaker 6: You might have to come back on this one.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll come back to you on that.

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Speaker 6: Hey everyone, it's me Stevie.

534
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Speaker 8: So this question continued to haunt me for weeks until

535
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Speaker 8: I finally decided till this Winton.

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Speaker 6: There's more Q and A coming up right after the break.

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Speaker 1: Our live event also featured a telephone, but unlike all

538
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:15,090
Speaker 1: those boring ordinary telephones that only let you reach businesses, institutions,

539
00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:19,289
Speaker 1: and private residences, this telephone only allowed you to reach me,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Goldstein, and not even me really, but my answering machine.

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Speaker 1: When you picked up the receiver, you heard a message

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Speaker 1: prompting you to record your own heavyweight story. And you

543
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Speaker 1: sure showed me, because record those stories you did.

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Speaker 10: Hi, you've reached Jonathan Goldstein. I'm not at home right

545
00:29:39,290 --> 00:29:41,890
Speaker 10: now because I'm in the middle of the live performance

546
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Speaker 10: of a lifetime. But in the meantime, leave a message

547
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Speaker 10: with your story. Don't overthink it. Just do the job.

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00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:53,050
Speaker 10: Do the job, Do the job. Don't say no, say yes.

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Speaker 1: I was ghosted by every single male member of my

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Speaker 1: high school class, and I don't know if I did

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Speaker 1: something I thought all these people like me, I certainly

552
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Speaker 1: like them.

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Speaker 11: Found out that my dad was married beforehand. That was

554
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Speaker 11: an arranged marriage. So I'm an Indian and it's very

555
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Speaker 11: unique or very rare to get divorced during an arranged marriage.

556
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Speaker 11: Definitely cause risks between my dad and the community.

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Speaker 5: I would say that I'm not a very imaginative person.

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Speaker 5: I enjoy logic. And I went to bed one night

559
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Speaker 5: and I had a dream that my grandmother had died.

560
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Speaker 5: Randomly told my friends at breakfast, and they were like

561
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Speaker 5: just trying to do the forty and thing of like

562
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Speaker 5: what could that mean, and me sort of just blowing

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Speaker 5: them off, being like dreams don't mean anything. And then

564
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Speaker 5: about four hours later, I received a call from my

565
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Speaker 5: sister saying, hey, like sorry to tell you, but grandma died.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dmitri Rlik.

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Speaker 12: My story is once I was invited out to a

569
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Speaker 12: bachelor party and we went out in Lawera Manhattan to

570
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Speaker 12: Chinatown to a Chinese massage parlor and we had wonderful

571
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Speaker 12: foot massages, and you, Jonathan, were doing an incredible job

572
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Speaker 12: of pretending that it was painful because it felt great

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Speaker 12: in every way. So my question is, have you ever

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Speaker 12: considered doing any theatrical acting, either in film or television

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Speaker 12: or on stages, because you're obviously quite a gifted Espian.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Oh i'm mc gregor's brother, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, And now back to the Q and A.

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Speaker 1: Q and A stands for questions and answers.

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Speaker 4: If Jonathan and Gregor could only listen to one movie

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Speaker 4: song on repeat during a road trip, which one would

582
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Speaker 4: it be?

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Speaker 1: Well, Gregor, should we turn the house lights up? What

584
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:31,970
Speaker 1: would be the song?

585
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:32,370
Speaker 2: Gregor?

586
00:31:34,930 --> 00:31:35,249
Speaker 1: Please?

587
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:37,090
Speaker 2: Could would you stand up so people can?

588
00:31:40,570 --> 00:31:41,569
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going on.

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00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:43,690
Speaker 2: You have to figure out why we're on a road

590
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Speaker 2: trip together.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's say we were gonna go to

592
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Speaker 1: Frontier Town together. I don't know, like something fun.

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00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:53,410
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can imagine fighting with you about the radio on

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Speaker 1: a road trip. How about that for an answer, like

596
00:31:58,010 --> 00:32:00,370
Speaker 1: fighting over which Mobie song we would listen to? Exactly

597
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:03,570
Speaker 1: all the movie's greatest hits movies play Moby movie mob

598
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Speaker 1: but you do you do listen to mobi songs?

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Speaker 11: Now? Imten repeat?

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Speaker 2: All I listened to is movie.

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Speaker 1: Actually I have a question for you, because you gid

602
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,210
Speaker 1: said you're going to take Q and A from the audience. Well,

603
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Speaker 1: was that all spontaneous stuff that you guys were really

604
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:17,730
Speaker 1: just wing it? Or did you already have your prefab

605
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:21,010
Speaker 1: like no, messed off the cuff like jazz?

606
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice singers, Thank you? Is it was that your question?

607
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:29,210
Speaker 2: Or yeah? I was curious, more like Ivy Stanley Tucci.

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Speaker 2: You know, Okay, all right, thank you, Yeah, that's very nice.

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00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:35,690
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'd like the sounds you're making of support.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:32:41,530 --> 00:32:41,770
Speaker 13: Well.

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00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:45,090
Speaker 4: Gregor is correct. We are shifting into audience Q and

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Speaker 4: A portion, So there are a couple of mics around.

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00:32:50,209 --> 00:32:50,410
Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 14: I think I'm the biggest fan. Now, So Jonathan, you

616
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Speaker 14: recently had that episode about stopping drinking, and then, because

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Speaker 14: I'm your biggest fan of Heavyweight, you had that live

618
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Speaker 14: event episode where they alluded to how you needed a

619
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Speaker 14: drink before you spoke, how it would help you. So

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Speaker 14: I was just wondering tonight. Yeah, yeah, what's going on

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Speaker 14: and how it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm lit, I'm I'm tanked. No, I uh yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: this might be the first time I'm doing this.

624
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Speaker 5: Guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me a little nervous, but yeah, I

626
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Speaker 1: haven't had anything to drink. And I Emma, by the way,

627
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Speaker 1: I are you guys friends? Oh, you're just sitting beside

628
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Speaker 1: each other. Emma mixes our episodes. She's the sound engineer

629
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Speaker 1: and composes music.

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Speaker 2: Emma munder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely in my thoughts because I used to, like,

633
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Speaker 2: I used to really like to do that.

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Speaker 1: I have a drinker two or three before talking and

635
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Speaker 1: a couple afterwards. So yeah, I'm just I'm free balling it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, And it was definitely a nuanced view of

638
00:34:03,410 --> 00:34:05,410
Speaker 14: stopping drinking, like is it better?

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: Some days. I was saying last night to my friend Alex, Uh,

641
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Speaker 1: I was saying, I miss that feeling of like that

642
00:34:17,370 --> 00:34:20,970
Speaker 1: everything is all right, Everything's going to be okay, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is like a little like,

644
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Speaker 1: but you got to figure it, like, you have to

645
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Speaker 1: manifest that. You have to figure out how to get

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Speaker 1: that feeling on your own. You know, it's not real.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm still working.

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Speaker 6: On that and it is going to be all right.

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00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:36,170
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 9: Everyone, I'm just going to reflect based off of that

652
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Speaker 9: episode as well. I just recently lost your friend alcoholism

653
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Speaker 9: and sorry. Your episode was really touching because it was

654
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Speaker 9: a way to externalize and even open up those conversations.

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Speaker 9: And I sent it to our friends group and it

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Speaker 9: helped us a lot too. So thank you for being

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Speaker 9: honest and open.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. That's really that's encouraging to hear.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. My question is, I'm sure there's stories that are

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Speaker 9: just in the vault, still being worked on year after

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Speaker 9: a year. Can you share a little bit of what's

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Speaker 9: currently still being in development or if there's a story

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Speaker 9: that you really wish can have see the light of

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Speaker 9: data at some point.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I don't know anything come to mind.

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Speaker 3: I'm like scared to talk about any of them because

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid I'm going to like doom them to never happen.

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Speaker 3: But there are ones that I really.

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Speaker 1: You're hopeful of that.

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Speaker 3: That I would like love. Yeah, I've came back to life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Sometimes you have like all the elements and

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Speaker 1: you're it's very exciting, and then this one person doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to talk and yeah, you know, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: weird model to be basing things on that.

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Speaker 3: That's how I felt about why I'm like hedging a

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Speaker 3: little bit, is that's how I felt about The Messenger,

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Speaker 3: which is when we just did this season, like when

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00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:55,570
Speaker 3: we got laid off from Spotify, I did not forward

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Speaker 3: the emails to myself because I was like, this story

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Speaker 3: is dead, so I don't need these. And then it

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Speaker 3: came back to life.

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Speaker 1: So we never thought we'd get to talk to If

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Speaker 1: you listen to the episode, Pat Crochy who we needed

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Speaker 1: to talk to, and it just seemed like he wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to do it.

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Speaker 3: And then and Quinces, you had told us to no, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then it was like a friend of a friend

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Speaker 1: over dinner, and you know it was this true serendipity.

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Speaker 1: We got really lucky.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, when you all are listening to recordings of yourselves

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Speaker 15: doing interviews or having conversations with people. Have you learned

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Speaker 15: that you have certain conversational habits that you've tried to

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Speaker 15: alter or emphasize.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. I noticed that I laugh when

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Speaker 3: I'm nervous in the middle of things that are not funny,

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Speaker 3: and that's like something I've tried to stop, especially when

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Speaker 3: I'm interviewing someone on like a serious topic. You know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you like ask you a question and then you

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Speaker 3: kind of laugh when you're uncomfortable, and then when I'm

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Speaker 3: cutting it, I'm like, what am I doing? Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I've tried to stop doing that.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say I have the exact opposite problem. I

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00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:56,690
Speaker 1: can't laugh like I I wish I did laugh more easily,

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Speaker 1: and I wish I had a free and easy laugh

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Speaker 1: that told people like it's funny, that's great, keep coming,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I wish I had a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit of that.

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Speaker 6: I will.

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Speaker 8: Pitch my voice up, especially i'm calling people to interview them,

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Speaker 8: and I hate it.

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Speaker 6: I hate it so much. And when I listen back,

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Speaker 6: it's like, Hi, I'm Stevie, I'm calling from the podcast.

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Speaker 8: Heavyweight, and like it's like it's very and then like

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Speaker 8: the tape doesn't even sound like me, Like the difference

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Speaker 8: between the that I'm really trying to work on not doing.

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Speaker 3: But I do think it's encouraging in something I learned

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Speaker 3: from you, Jonathan is whenever I do something really stupid

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Speaker 3: and embarrassing and tape, rather than cutting it out and

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Speaker 3: trying to hide it, I'm like, well, that's going to

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Speaker 3: be a front and center in the story.

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Speaker 1: You're embarrassing yourself for work, for a higher purpose.

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Most people go through their lives, you know, just embarrassing

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Speaker 1: themselves willy nilly for nothing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but for me, it's for art.

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Speaker 13: My question is, I've noticed a lot of the episodes

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Speaker 13: feature like interpersonal friendship relationships, focusing on like really deep

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Speaker 13: platonic relationships over years. So how and Gregor and then

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Speaker 13: when you went to pilates with your friend or like

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Speaker 13: things like that, And I just love that. And what's

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Speaker 13: your like advice for friendship longevity?

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Speaker 1: You guys haven't lived long enough to answer that question.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't have any friends, so.

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Speaker 1: I think it helps to be amused. And like I

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Speaker 1: was saying, I'm not an easy laugh but I do.

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Speaker 1: Gregor really makes me laugh when he's busting my chops.

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Speaker 1: If you get a kick out of that, then then

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Speaker 1: you're unstoppable. I mean, what's gonna you know, what's going

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Speaker 1: to destroy you?

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Speaker 2: Nothing?

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Speaker 3: I say, I don't know that I have an answer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm very I do have some long friendships,

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Speaker 3: including my friend I went to Polaateius with, But I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. I don't know why they're still

747
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Speaker 3: my friends, but I'm grateful for it.

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Speaker 1: You're a good person, is why.

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Jeng.

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Speaker 2: Sure I didn't mean to, you know, bring the place down, and.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had contemporary side.

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Speaker 4: Well, grab a drink, say hello and thank you again

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Speaker 4: for coming.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for coming virtually, and thanks to everyone

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Speaker 1: who made the show possible. That includes Phoebe Flanagan, Kira Posey,

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Speaker 1: Tara Machado, Amy Hagadorn, Jordan McMillan, Eric Sandler, Sarah Bruguer,

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Speaker 1: and especially Morgan Ratner. Live sound mixing from the staff

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Speaker 1: of Caveat and mixing for this broadcast version by Emma Monger.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with a brand new episode,

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Speaker 1: an unlive episode the regular Old Kind