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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is a beautiful Sunday, August third. An

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Speaker 1: American Eagle has finally responded after setting everybody off with

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Speaker 1: that controversial Sydney sweeneyad. We're talking everybody from liberals, conservatives,

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Speaker 1: black folks, white folks, Democrats, Republicans, Jade Vans, the White House, Lizzo,

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Speaker 1: Doja Cat. They got everybody worked up about it, Robes,

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Speaker 1: and they have finally not responded. And you know what

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Speaker 1: they said, folks, not a whole lot and welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Of Amy and TJ. Robes. Are you surprised?

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to give our reaction to the reaction.

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Speaker 1: We did the story initially and some people were worked up,

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Speaker 1: but this thing's been going on a full week now.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would just say that if the goal of

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Speaker 3: advertising is to have people talking about you, then American

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Speaker 3: Eagle has won because everyone is talking about them, and everyone,

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Speaker 3: it seems, has weighed in on whether or not they

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Speaker 3: think their ad was appropriate or not. But I think

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Speaker 3: my reaction was that I get what people are saying.

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Speaker 3: I think people read far too into it. There are

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Speaker 3: a lot of folks who believe this was intentional, that

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Speaker 3: they're trying to get Trump supporters to buy American Eagle genes.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about all of that, but I can

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Speaker 3: see how it was a mistake that they didn't anticipate.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it was a deliberate It doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel like to me. I don't know how you feel.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like this was some deliberate attempt to

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Speaker 2: But so what even if it was, are we mad?

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Speaker 1: Are we mad at American Eagle for doing what companies do,

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Speaker 1: which is to get as much attention as you can

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Speaker 1: and to make as much money as you can.

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Are we upset with their methods? We're upset with their methods.

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Speaker 1: Some would argue because they intentionally used a racist dog whistle,

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Speaker 1: essentially by making an announcement that these products are for

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Speaker 1: you because you are preme because you have these particular genes,

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Speaker 1: ge and es. If they did it that way, I

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Speaker 1: guess you should take issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be offensive if it was absolutely a

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Speaker 3: deliberate orchestrated advertisement to basically say that Sydney Sweeney's genes

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Speaker 3: as in G E. N E s, which are blonde, white,

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Speaker 3: blue eyed, big boobed girl, if that is what we

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Speaker 3: the gold standard that we all need to be working towards. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's offensive one hundred percent, But could it just be

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Speaker 3: that they were saying she was hot as hell and

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Speaker 3: so she has good genes.

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Speaker 1: We can leave it at that, and I think there

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Speaker 1: there there's got to be some room left for that

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Speaker 1: conversation in the middle, because I guess most people fall

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Speaker 1: into a few categories.

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Speaker 2: You're either.

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Speaker 1: You're four or against, but you're four or against either

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Speaker 1: as an extremist, or you're four and against just as Okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really have a problem with it, but I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to listen to someone who did. And if someone

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Speaker 1: who did have a problem with it says, okay, this

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Speaker 1: was my issue, but I give you the benefit of

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Speaker 1: probably where most of us are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I am. I think you just snailed it.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, exactly, not only extremes where the debates are

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Speaker 1: happening online and people are saying some of that nasty

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Speaker 1: stuff that's not really it. But that debate has continued

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Speaker 1: to go and yes, it made it to the White House,

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Speaker 1: but Rose we Finally, I think it was July twenty

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Speaker 1: third when the article first came out. All this has

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Speaker 1: been going back and forth. The stock price went up.

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Speaker 1: Articles are everywhere. Everybody is chiming in American Eagle did

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Speaker 1: not until this weekend, and they didn't give us a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so should we read their statement for everybody? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so in case you didn't see it, they had up

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Speaker 3: on their Instagram. Finally, a statement that says this Sydney

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Speaker 3: Sweeney has Great Genes is and always was about the jeens,

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Speaker 3: her jeans. Her story will continue to celebrate how everyone

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Speaker 3: wears their ae genes with confidence that their way great

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Speaker 3: genes look good on everyone.

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Speaker 1: And that was it. It wasn't a lot of fanfare.

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Speaker 1: It was just an a solid backdrop with just the

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Speaker 1: They probably know the less they say the better. Just

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Speaker 1: It's gone a little far from just some criticism to

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Speaker 2: I should say yes.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people, well at least

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Speaker 3: some of these comments certainly are were surprised or not surprised,

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Speaker 3: so sorry if we offended blah blah blah. What do

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Speaker 3: you think about their decision? And it absolutely was a

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Speaker 3: decision to kind of acknowledge the controversy by saying, guys,

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Speaker 3: we're not just talking about people who look like Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about everybody. But they didn't say they were sorry,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't say they made a mistake, and they

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Speaker 1: That's the part maybe I would like, and I don't

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Speaker 1: I would like. I would like, when you have an

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Speaker 1: can't we do.

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Speaker 2: Something positive with it.

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Speaker 1: Let's take an opportunity now and say, yes, we acknowledge

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Speaker 1: the way this was taken by some people encourage them

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Speaker 1: to do their own digging and do their own history

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Speaker 1: and do their own fact checking and right, because how

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Speaker 1: many times have we seen something in recent years, something

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Speaker 1: happens online and somebody missed the boat or didn't understand.

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Speaker 1: Then we go talk to people in our own lives

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Speaker 1: who are a little younger and they yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that was offensive either. Right, It's okay to take

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Speaker 1: a moment and educate people. That's okay, And I wish

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Speaker 3: The other issue that people took with American Eagle was

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Speaker 3: while this whole controversy was going on for a full

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Speaker 3: week plus, the only social media post that they made

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Speaker 3: on Instagram was another advertisement with a black woman in

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Speaker 3: their genes. And so then the comments we, oh wow,

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Speaker 3: this is the equivalent of American Eagles saying I have

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Speaker 3: black friends too, and so people took offense to They

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Speaker 3: didn't say anything, but they just instead put up an

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Speaker 1: Hell of a coincidence, but I guess another miss that's

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Speaker 1: because the fourteen previous posts on their Instagram page were

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Speaker 1: all of Sidney Twiney advertising these gene literally fourteen we

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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but yeah, certainly a different look from

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Speaker 2: Why they was to put that up at the time, who.

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Speaker 3: You know whatever, without any explanation, just putting that up there.

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Speaker 3: It did when someone wrote it seems like the equivalent

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Speaker 3: of a white person being accused of being racist saying

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Speaker 3: I got black friends. I mean, it actually really was

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Speaker 3: kind of spot on. That was kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to give American Eagle the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: From a couple of standpoint, we robes this is a company.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of been in the dumps. They have for

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Speaker 1: a while. They've been struggling financially, they struggling with sales,

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Speaker 1: so they tried something and this is maybe even a

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Speaker 1: desperate attempt. And in the middle of all this, yes,

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Speaker 1: we talked, you saw the headlines about their stock price

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Speaker 2: Sure enough.

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Speaker 1: It hit on July twenty third, and there is an

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Speaker 1: uptick over the next several days and that stock goes up.

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Speaker 1: And you know what happened after that, It dropped and

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Speaker 1: it's come back down to earth. And as we sit

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Speaker 1: here and talking, the stock is trading at less than

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Speaker 1: it was before this ad hit.

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Speaker 3: So was it a hit and a miss?

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Speaker 2: They got a mean stock? What they call it? Right?

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Speaker 1: This controversial stuff to where something all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: becomes a popular stock, not because of the way the

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Speaker 1: company performs, but because of something on social media, because

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Speaker 1: it's getting buzzed. That is what appears to have happened.

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Speaker 1: But the backlash, now I thought was going to be

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Speaker 3: And it has felt like it's become a political o

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Speaker 3: potato truly, And because the White House has chimed in,

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Speaker 3: because JD. Van's chimed in, that has absolutely it feels

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Speaker 3: like if you're a Republican, you're supporting Sydney Sweeney and

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Speaker 3: American Eagle, and a guess that anyone would make a

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Speaker 3: Nazi comparison with the eugenics and all of that, and

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Speaker 3: then if you are on the left, you're outraged that

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Speaker 1: This is the problem with targeted advertising when you're targeting

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Speaker 1: young white women is that too often everybody else was

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Speaker 1: like in atrocious ways, we're kept out of that club.

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Speaker 2: So when it feels like you are.

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Speaker 1: Like legally bold face and you are telling everybody you

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Speaker 1: our club. This is what makes a good club member

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Speaker 1: for us. That hits different, and we have to just

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Speaker 1: be able to say, Okay, we acknowledge how that might

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Speaker 1: be offensive to you the public, and we the public

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Speaker 1: have to also acknowledge and just say, hey, we understand

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Speaker 1: that's your target. Onio, that can be a balance. We

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Speaker 1: don't have to be outraged about everything. We don't have

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Speaker 1: to end up at Nazi over a damn pair of

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Speaker 1: jeans on the hottest actress.

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Speaker 2: On the planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it immediately went to Nazi.

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Speaker 1: There's a butterfly on her butt and we're talking about nazis.

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Speaker 3: Too much, too far of a stretch.

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Speaker 2: That's what I means.

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Speaker 1: We can never have a decent conversation about these things.

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Speaker 1: And the conversations you've had, you and I have had

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes are the types I wish we could

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Speaker 1: have in public because we actually engage and we learned something.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm talking to somebody who if I screw up,

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Speaker 1: they know I'm coming from.

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Speaker 2: A good place and it's a place of love.

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Speaker 1: So if you say something offensive when it has to

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Speaker 1: do with something you didn't know about black folks, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm not offended because it's coming from a place of

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Speaker 1: love and you just didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Something like this. It's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: If we could just say, Okay, they didn't know, let

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Speaker 1: me do better, let me learn better, let me listen,

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Speaker 1: let me not immediately jump to name calling.

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Speaker 3: So from that perspective, then, so some folks who chimed

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Speaker 3: their Instagram account that the statement pissed them off even

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Speaker 3: So instead of looking at it as an attack on

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Speaker 1: Okay, wouldn't that be a sign of progress as well?

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Speaker 3: You know, here's the deal. We all do it, white, black,

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Speaker 1: But isn't that that right that you want inclusive advertising?

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Speaker 3: Product, right, simple, Yeah, it's you're relating to it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But given where we are right now, it's probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: At what point can we and we just not there yet?

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a whole nother woke episode later. That word

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Speaker 3: It's frustrating. And when we do this other episode, which

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Speaker 1: We don't have to be diverse in anything that we do.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I was I would love to know that advertising

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Speaker 1: And I give folks, this story, like we said, has

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Speaker 3: where we are talking about that Sydney's Sweeney ad for

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Speaker 3: But they said that all this ruckus was why Trump

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Speaker 1: but he's assigning this one extreme thing to all Democrats

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Speaker 1: and when you do that, it does make them sound silly,

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Speaker 1: Like what are y'all whining about? The hottest girl in

443
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Speaker 1: Hollywood right now is wearing jeans and you all are

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Speaker 1: saying we love Nazis because we like the ad. That

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Speaker 1: is absurd. Yes, is more complicated than that, mister Vice President.

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Speaker 3: But that is good messaging. Yeah, it's effective messaging for sure.

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Speaker 1: Republican messaging. To be honest, they do this well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they keep it simple and they make a point

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Speaker 3: very strongly. They did that in that statement early.

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Speaker 1: It seems silly, or liberals iceers, it seems silly, But

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Speaker 1: it's not that simple. And that this is where anytime

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Speaker 1: politics gets inserted into anything, it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: mess and you're never going to break through and have

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Speaker 1: a decent conversation.

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Speaker 2: But that was Robes.

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Speaker 1: There was a potential for a decent conversation. And here,

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Speaker 1: I hope somebody somewhere go, oh I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: about the world wars. Oh I didn't know that about

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Speaker 1: the history. Oh I didn't and learn something maybe.

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Speaker 3: But it was also an opportunity for the White House

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Speaker 3: and for certain politicians to capitalize on the divisiveness because

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Speaker 3: we know, we know the culture wars make presidents, controversy creates,

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Speaker 3: you know, elected officials, because when you can make one

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Speaker 3: person look bad, or if they try to do it

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Speaker 3: to you make them look worse for pointing the it

466
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Speaker 3: really is about who can make the other side look worse.

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Speaker 3: And if you can do that effectively, you win, You

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Speaker 3: win elections, you win seats of power. And this is

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Speaker 3: how it happened. So they seize on a cultural moment

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Speaker 3: and they play it to their advantage, and that is

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Speaker 3: what happens, and we're all the ones who get played.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, what was it?

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Speaker 1: We kept saying Trump was trying to get people to

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Speaker 1: focus on something other than the Epstein stuff. So there

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Speaker 1: was the MLK files, there was something, Oh, the changing

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Speaker 1: of the Washington commanders. Oh yes, yes, there was a

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Speaker 1: couple of big things he did. We're like, what in

478
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Speaker 1: the world because these are culture wars, right, one of

479
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Speaker 1: the most prominent leaders in civil rights history, and then

480
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Speaker 1: you throw in something racial having to do with Native Americans,

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Speaker 1: and it just worked people up, in particular a lot

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Speaker 1: in his base culture wars.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even have to try on this one.

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Speaker 3: This one landed in his life.

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Speaker 1: Handed this to him and surprised.

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Speaker 3: When did we do this first episode on this? Was it?

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Speaker 1: It was a twenty third that it first came out,

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Speaker 1: so we had to do it that day next day.

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Speaker 3: Maybe so the fact that if you would have told

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Speaker 3: me that we would have done a follow up podcast

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Speaker 3: on that controversy. I would have been shocked unless Sidney

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Speaker 3: Sweeney came out and did or said something, and she.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't as of this recording. Folks, we'll let you know.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting and waiting and this is the right

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Speaker 1: way to go. You all keep talking, knock yourselves out.

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Speaker 1: And she has not said a word about the controversy.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this hurts her reputation? Does this hurt

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Speaker 3: her marketability in any way?

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Speaker 2: Do you know? Ken?

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Speaker 1: I would love to talk to her manager right now

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Speaker 1: about the calls that have come since this. The next

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Speaker 1: campaign they're thinking about, or somebody else's thinking about wanting

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Speaker 1: to do something to make her She is the it

504
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Speaker 1: girl when it comes to meme stock at this point,

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Speaker 1: what was the other one she did with the bath soap?

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Speaker 3: The bath so but on this one because it has

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Speaker 3: political implications now or it's become a part of that

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Speaker 3: conversation you have I'm not going to use the word journalist,

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Speaker 3: but you have people online now trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: her political affiliations, who she may have voted for, trying

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Speaker 3: to find a way to demonize her from perhaps the

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Speaker 3: Hollywood culture of being left of center or this whole

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Speaker 3: notion that most actors and the people who they work

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Speaker 3: for are liberals. So we even see people digging around

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Speaker 3: right now trying to make her seem like she is

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Speaker 3: a Trumper, and we have no idea what her political

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Speaker 3: affiliation is. But I saw a bunch of that online.

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Speaker 1: I sit, Dawn, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's okay if someone you know voted for Obama,

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Speaker 1: or if somebody you know voted for Trump, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're an evil person one way or another, or

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Speaker 1: even an idiot at all. We've got to get away

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Speaker 1: from that. I don't care who's sitting. If she told

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Speaker 1: me she voted, yes, if she walks out with a

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Speaker 1: maga hat, I got no issue with her at all

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Speaker 1: based on what she doesn't. I don't know this woman

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Speaker 1: at all, So why does that? So they digging into

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Speaker 1: finding out who she is from a political standpoint, and.

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Speaker 2: Then what.

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Speaker 3: Cat her movies? Boycott anything that she's trying to sell.

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Speaker 1: What exactly you voted for Biden, or you voted for Trump,

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Speaker 1: or you didn't vote at all, either one of those

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Speaker 1: two options. We should boycott your movie.

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Speaker 3: What that's America? It's terrible. Yeah, no, I mean, we

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Speaker 3: need to be able to respect where other people are

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Speaker 3: even if we don't agree or understand.

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Speaker 2: We've got to do better than that. Oh yeah, we

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Speaker 2: gotta do better than that.

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Speaker 3: So well, the Dosha Cat, right, you've got what your Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to actually have because you know more about

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Speaker 3: this one than I do about I didn't watch the

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Speaker 3: video that you watched.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just Dojah Cat did a little something to

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Speaker 1: win viral where she was doing this extreme country accent,

546
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Speaker 1: kind of just mocking the idea of what they did

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Speaker 1: in American Eagle Lizzo all same thing, did a post

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Speaker 1: instagram in which her head, her face was essentially put

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Speaker 1: on an AI body that looked like a somebody laid

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Speaker 1: out in a gene outfit like the ad, mocking the ad,

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Speaker 1: but it's said at the top if Democrats had won

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Speaker 1: the election. But then she also added, my jeans were black.

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Speaker 1: She's okay, she jumped on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny.

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Speaker 1: Now she said, that was one of the lighter hearted

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Speaker 1: mockeries I've seen. Yeah, Okay, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Do we have to be outraged at.

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Speaker 3: Everything and offended by everyone?

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's it's okay to go I don't like that

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Speaker 1: so much. That doesn't make me feel it's okay. But

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Speaker 1: nazis Sidney Sweeney. Let's see how she voted, because that

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Speaker 1: will tell us if she's a good person or a

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Speaker 1: bad person.

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Speaker 3: Because she joked around about having good genes because she's hot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she got girls got great genes.

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Speaker 1: She does, so does Lapita Nuongo SODA's freaking people in bast.

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Speaker 3: People use that all the time. There's another ad that's

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Speaker 3: out with Duncan Donuts. By the way, did you see

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Speaker 3: that too? With this young guy actor. I don't know

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Speaker 3: because it's not my generation, but he's some hot guy

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Speaker 3: who's in some hot show that all the young girls love.

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Speaker 3: And he talked about having his tan, being good genetics,

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Speaker 3: the tan he got while he's eating the Dunkin donuts,

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Speaker 3: And yes there was something. He used the word genetics,

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Speaker 3: and people were jumping on that too and tying the

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Speaker 3: two together because he happens. Yeah, he's he's a white boy.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: And how long before some ad takes some company takes

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Speaker 1: advantage of this and makes an ad Duda does a

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Speaker 1: parody but uses a whole crew of black folks. They

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Speaker 1: just makes some great gene ad with black folk. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have good genes among them, Sidney

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Speaker 1: Sweet among them, halle Berry among them, Brad Pitt among them,

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Speaker 1: Angelina's only among them, a whole slew of lapita nyongos.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Just yes, we all got good jeens. But when we

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Speaker 1: see somebody advertise it this way, and those are the

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Speaker 1: particular genes that we've all been told straighter hair, longer hair,

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Speaker 1: bluer eyes, lighter skin, that is where.

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Speaker 2: It's okay to have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's all right, yeah, it's fine, but god, Nazis, it

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Speaker 1: makes me want to go buy some Nazi jeans right now?

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Speaker 2: Just why are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, can't we just all get along?

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Speaker 1: Oh all right, folks, Well, if you do want to

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Speaker 1: keep the conversation going, just please we just ask whoever

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00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: you might be talking to. Give everybody the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the doubt that there might be a decent person, folks.

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Speaker 1: And first, and let's have I guess, just a more

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Speaker 1: meaningful and respectful and kind conversation moving forward. But they

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00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: are robes, meaningful and worthwhile conversations we should know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had great conversations about this ad about so

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Speaker 3: many things, and when you can do it with respect

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00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: and trust, that's everything. That's the problem, that's what's missing

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00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: in most conversations, especially those publicly and politically. Respect and

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Speaker 3: consideration and all the things that are required to actually

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Speaker 3: have a fruitful, peaceful conversation where we all learn something.

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Speaker 3: So we hope you learn something, and we thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening to us on this Sunday. I'm Amy Roback

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Speaker 3: alongside my partner TJ. Holmes. Have a great Sunday, everybody,