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Speaker 1: tell me again what you're reading about. Oh, I got

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Speaker 1: doing all my deep dive research for the week. It

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Speaker 1: came across this Kansas City Star article about a guy

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Speaker 1: who was, like many Americans right now, exploring our national parks.

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Speaker 1: You've been to several of them, and appears he was

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Speaker 1: when you can skylight them, you see him all around

426
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: your damn head. They skylight they they look like a

427
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: mosquito that big, but they bite like a no see

428
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: um but they're a slashing lap fly family. I don't

429
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: know caribou all around their eyes. I don't even know

430
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: how they can see. All right, I got you. That

431
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: sounds miserable. And then you're in the tustics. You know

432
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: what tustic. So the tustics here got a relief of

433
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: like from the moss to the top of the tustic.

434
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: And you shoot a cariban, they just they land down

435
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: in the so they're like, you're actually working on them subsurface.

436
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: There's no way to get him out of there where

437
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you're if you're standing on a tussic, you're like bending

438
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: over down to try to get and it's just wet

439
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: and hot. It turns like otherwise a pleasurable experience, it's

440
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: just the worst. Like it's always such spongey ground. When

441
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: you like you can't get any good purchase. He's like, yeah,

442
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: I got interesting caribou related fact for you, right, I

443
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: mean it'd be um it's from that Farley Moap book

444
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: that old old Dirt gave me. Oh you mean his

445
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: like classic never cry Wolf People, the Dear People. Yeah,

446
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: So like I wrote like twenty four books I've read

447
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: a hand it's so funny. They just like fall in

448
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: your lap every ten years or so. That's why it's

449
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: been for me anyway. Um. But he's talking about how

450
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: the Eskimo group that he's living with up in the

451
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: barren lands, the food that they consume is awful. Some

452
00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: gut and the front shoulders. I know, but I just

453
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yeah, I was just saying that that

454
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: way so people would track what you're saying. Yeah, uh,

455
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, uh probably won't surprise you. But I do

456
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: get beat up over the way I talk and pronounce

457
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: some certain things. But yeah, you cover you, um, try

458
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: to get the definition thing. But you headed off at

459
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: the pass by saying like I probably yeah, mess it up. Uh.

460
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: So they take the shoulders for their own personal consumption,

461
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: like and then the hind quarters, like the big hams

462
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: are what the dogs get to eat. M hm and um.

463
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: And it goes as far as to say that like

464
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: the hams aren't going to sustain a person in the barrens.

465
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: But then uh, not enough connective tissue and collagen or whatever.

466
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: They don't like it because it's not chewy. Yeah yeah uh,

467
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: and I mean neck meats, older meat, slow slow cook

468
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: stuff is awesome, but you know, obviously, um flat iron

469
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: steaks are fantastic too. We had a guy um Yanni

470
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: and I had a chupick Eskimo. I think I talked.

471
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: I talked about this for tell Us that his favorite part,

472
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, the giant tendon, the hooks to the like

473
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: the the thoracic process. What is it called. Yeah, like

474
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: on a vertebra, the big ass thing that shoots upwards,

475
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: but it's not a fin Is it a process or

476
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: is it a I knew this at one point in time.

477
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: There's a name for that. I don't. It's verteb Brothers

478
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: like that. It's big, you know, they're like eleven twelve

479
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: inches long on a bis and moose have huge ones. Anyways,

480
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: the tendon that holds the head up so when you're

481
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: skinning something you find that big yellow He's like, that's good,

482
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: that's nice and chewy. It's like, I'll say, I bet

483
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: it is. I can't. I've ever got down on that one,

484
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: not talking about things being tender. That's good. Chewy is good? Yeah,

485
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: all right, good. I want to I want to follow

486
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: up because on this this this we all almost went

487
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: down the latex gloves thing, and I genuinely have this

488
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: question because Kyle was talking about using them in the kitchen,

489
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: and I have used them for butchering animals. I've used

490
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: them in that context. I get why they fit there.

491
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: But you're talking about mixing burger and mixing sausage. And

492
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: I've always just washed my hands really well before I

493
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: did before and after doing the thing. Is the extent

494
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: of it burgers and sausage for me. Um, I mean

495
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: washing your hands well as Gonn is going to do it,

496
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: as long as folks cook their food pretty much for

497
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: any circumstance. But my hands are always beat up fairly dirty.

498
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: And then when I'm really in there mixing sausage, especially

499
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: if you're using like iron ingredients. Um, like I toasted

500
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: up a bunch of coriander for that sausage I gave you,

501
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: and then and turn that into a powder before I

502
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: mixed it in there, And you got to like mix

503
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: like hell in order to distribute that stuff, especially because

504
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I had fat into the sausage too, So it's real tacky.

505
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: And I can just feel like if I didn't wear gloves,

506
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: I could just feel the hairs on my hands getting

507
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: sucked off into that sausage and like whatever, skips and

508
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: should I have protect the sausage yourself. Correct, As we've

509
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: talked about many, many times. That's the number one thing

510
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: I give away is sausage, like even though it is

511
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: very expensive, a giant pain in the ask to make,

512
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: but you know people are going to use it though

513
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: it Yeah, and you don't want your little hairs and

514
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: fingernails in there. Um, I'll tell you hot tip. Those

515
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: same chupic dudes. They because you know it's like twenty

516
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: below thirty below hunting muscos out there in March. They

517
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: bring um wool liners an oversized latex gloves to butcher. Yeah.

518
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: That ship man is nice alright, so good on gloves. Yeah,

519
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't like, I'm not I don't like. There's something

520
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: unappetizing to me. You know, nowadays every food service person,

521
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: even when you're watching like barbecue shows, Like if you're

522
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: in a place like in the gym and they got

523
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: the TV and there's no volume so you never know

524
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: what's going on. You can contract the TV show, um,

525
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: and they're doing making barbecue. Even they wear those giant

526
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: plastic food service ones, not the ones that fit right,

527
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: but the giant clown hand ones. It's just not appetizing

528
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: to me, I'd better have your damn hand in there. Well. Plus, like,

529
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: the the environment that's going on between your skin and

530
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: the glove is never an appetizing thing. You always like, yeah,

531
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just looks so medical. Yeah yeah,

532
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean when you describe it as an environment that

533
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: really like that, that calls up that wet super images

534
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: and the whole Here's the other thing, too, is the

535
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: whole glove thing. Everywhere in all the food service people

536
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: wearing gloves now makes it that when I have someone

537
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: over for dinner and I go to like dress the salad,

538
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: I like to give it a good hand toss, right.

539
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: So now they're sitting there, you know, and maybe it's

540
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: someone like a work person, I don't know that. Well,

541
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm hosting an out of town guest and they're sitting

542
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: there and I want to do my salad and I'm like, listen,

543
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tongue this subit just because you're here.

544
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hand blend it. Are they like you know

545
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: what I mean? I feel like that's are they so

546
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: used to the whole glove deal that then they're like,

547
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: why are his hands in there? Like that, who cares.

548
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe that you care. Well, did occur to me?

549
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be talking about it. Fair's just like I

550
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: feel like the special, the Salad Special, because it's got

551
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: some of Steve's skin flakes. My hairs and skin flakes.

552
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I want them. All Right, we gotta move on. What

553
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: we spoke of you, Tomboat Doss Boats season two. Yeah,

554
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. We did it, Miles, Do

555
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: do for me. Do for me a recap of dost

556
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: Boat season one, season one, like, tell what it was?

557
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it? All right? Uh? For

558
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, we wanted to make

559
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: a fishing show that didn't feel like every other fishing show,

560
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: and we we all have this love for old boats,

561
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: particularly old aluminum boats. Like most of the folks I know,

562
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: I certainly did. I think most people in this room

563
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: got their starts fishing and old, relatively crappy aluminum boats.

564
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: But that represented, once upon time was called a boat exactly.

565
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: It was just a boat. But that little boat rabat image.

566
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm calling them, David, because I don't know, I can

567
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: imagine what it looks like. But we didn't care if

568
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: they were nice like that. That boat was your passage

569
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: off the shore. And as a young kid angler like

570
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: that was a huge jump forward. So we decided to

571
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: make a fishing show that featured an old, relatively crappy

572
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: illuminum boat. And we went and legitimately this was there

573
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: was no artifice to this. We bought one of the

574
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: worst illuminum boats we'd find a site unseen off of Craigslist,

575
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: from a very interesting dude named Tony in central Texas,

576
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and uh, and then we took that boat and we

577
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: sent it around the southeast with different anglers to different fisheries,

578
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: and we gave them each a day to try and

579
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: do some kind of modification on that boat to make

580
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: it better for the fishing they wanted to do. And

581
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: then they had to try and figure it out, fixed

582
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: it up like the Dickens. Yeah, I mean some better

583
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: than others. That they weren't all entirely successful, because I

584
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: mean we were. You had you had a day. But

585
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: it went from I went from having like kind of

586
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: like a barely running motor oh that was effectively inoperable,

587
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: it's night and day. That boat is sweet now, I

588
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: mean from all the things we did from from reinforcing

589
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: the trans and putting on a new motor. Building out

590
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: the casting deck, which which Cal did a fantastic job on.

591
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: We put a polling platform on there. We uh, we

592
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: got some electronics on there. Oliver put a very nice

593
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: trolling motor on that thing. Uh Honda for stroke. Yeah,

594
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: I got a Honda four stroke on there that ran beautifully.

595
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: And then that was a successful repower when I can

596
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: look down at the hole and watch it waving like

597
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: a water bed. Okay, we're bogging. And by the end

598
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: we actually had that thing tricked out with the center

599
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: console and like it's it's a sweet boat now. And

600
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: then we auctioned it off to raise money for Cal's

601
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: special project. Well I didn't. I helped select the special project,

602
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: but it is well you are, you are. You brought

603
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: it to attention a special land access project Shiloh Pond

604
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: in Maine that Cal identified as needing a boost to

605
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: get across the finish line, basically purchasing a UM purchasing

606
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: a piece of land that has historically been open to access,

607
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: but it was never UM, never made official long term.

608
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: It was a private chunk that provided access to whoever

609
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: wanted to go out there, and there was a group

610
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: that wanted to purchase it outright, make it forever public

611
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing location. So we sold the damn boat. Yes,

612
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: and what was the final I think it's fourteen grand

613
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: I felt like that's like a break even amount for

614
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: the boat got steel. Yeah, I know. No, No them

615
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: against the guy that bought it. He's a real nice guy.

616
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Should have raffled it. Yeah. But the problem with the raffle,

617
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: like we looked at that, the legal issues of trying

618
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: to hold a raffle across all the different states. We're daunting.

619
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: But I now have reason to believe. I now have

620
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: fact based info. It suggests that suggests for something like

621
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: that you will do four x oh. I believe it

622
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: on a raffle. I believe it and worried me and

623
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Cal are involved one right now, Cal, do you know

624
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: where that's sitting right now? I don't think we should

625
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: just show you with my space, show you with my fingers. Yes,

626
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: that's where that sits right now. Manat raffle. No, Man,

627
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I wish we could have and I would have liked

628
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: the fact that they would have given everybody an equal

629
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: chance and not just the highest bidder. Got it, not

630
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: no nothing against who got it, and I'm very happy.

631
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: I'll give m a BackRub. But I like the egalitarian

632
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: nature of the Raffi raffle. Yeah. So here's so season

633
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: two that that was all based. How do you define

634
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: where season one was based? That we're calling at the southeast,

635
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: but that's not entirely right. It was it was Texas,

636
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: Florida and Georgia South Fish Southeast Dish. Yeah, and and

637
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: and picking our spots based on you know, interesting people,

638
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: interesting fisheries, and interesting stories. We really wanted to focus

639
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: on not just you know, the same old spots everybody's been.

640
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: We had some of those, and some of the species

641
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: that you're expecting, but we also wanted to like get

642
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: something that has more some more layers of interest to

643
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: it other than like, hey, we went and caught a fish,

644
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: because you can find that on any fishing show. Season

645
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: two takes place in upper Midwest Great Lakes. Yes it does.

646
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: Could say, yeah, the boat. So the boats are very

647
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: It's personal to me because I I kind of explained

648
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: the story in the show, but I'll talk about this

649
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: boat a little bit. My my old man was born

650
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: in uh, the south side of Chicago, Little Italy, and

651
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: he got older and got into hunting and fishing and

652
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: stuff by mostly by going off to fighting the war,

653
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: and then always dreamed of going up and like getting

654
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: the place in the wilderness, which happened to be like,

655
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, four hours north. It's all relative, and at

656
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: the time it was, you know, it was a kind

657
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: of a wildly sort of place. And so before I

658
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: was born, my mom and my old man go up

659
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: to um look at this house that I was born,

660
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: and my mom's the lizard today. And the way my

661
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: old man tells it, he he goes a look at

662
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: the house, but there's no one there. So he looks

663
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: around at the house and there's happens. No one's living

664
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: in the house. There's a summer cottage, and there's a

665
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: boat out front, and he takes the boat out in

666
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: the lake, and as he tells it, as he tells it,

667
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: he caught a five pound large mouth, which a monster

668
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: for that. Well, here's that's the thing. We used always

669
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: tell the story. But now I'm like, how could it

670
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: be that the only five pound bass ever? After thousands

671
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: of days, thousands of days of fishing that like spring, summer, fall, winter,

672
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: everybody we knew. Okay, my mom has been in that

673
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: house the forty six years I've been alive. How come

674
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: that was the biggest bass that ever got caught? Like,

675
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: why would it be that that that? You know what

676
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: happened to him? So? I don't know. I think it

677
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: was a nice bass. I think he caught like a

678
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: twenty bass, and it seemed like a five pounder could

679
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: go five poundstically, if he said four, I would be

680
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: like wow. But anyways, anyways, I don't know, we caught

681
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: a big like oliver what um? You know this little

682
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: length charts, which I know we're off right because we

683
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: do them on hot We like do the length weight

684
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: thing on a halibit and then we actually just weigh

685
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: the halibit totally. And I've done with other fish too.

686
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: But what's a five pound bas supposed to be? How many?

687
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: It really depends on their building. I think the large

688
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: mouth bass are probably the worst fish to try to

689
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: plug in any of those formulas because there's so many

690
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: varia because their fitness varries absolutely like what they're eating

691
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: varies in density of weight, Like a fish from Clearly

692
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: At California is probably like twice as heavy from the

693
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: mercury content in the water alone. But like they really

694
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: like youn't pick up a fish and be like, oh man,

695
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: that's a nice three pounder and put on a scale

696
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: and it's almost five You're like, what the like? That

697
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: doesn't compute. So when they I see all these tapes

698
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: and measuring devices with the formula like, oh twenty or

699
00:43:53,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: is a five pounder? Maybe? Maybe? And chasing big bass

700
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: across the country, now, really well built large mouth in

701
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: California is going to go yeah, because it's all girth

702
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: like they got the fat deposits on the top of

703
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: the tales are thick, like they're literally maxed out. And

704
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: then I go to Texas and hammer these giant fish

705
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: with these monster heads, but their bodies are like wind socks.

706
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: So I've got like a twenty seven like huge bass,

707
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: like looking at its side profile wise, and you're hanging

708
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: on the scale and it's like seven half pounds. What

709
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: the I feel robbed because weighing all these damn bass,

710
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: I have to That's that's the unfortunate thing. You know what,

711
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he caught a five po mass. Well,

712
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: we're working on our Walleye spot trying to figure that

713
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: stuff out. That big one that I caught in the spring, Yeah,

714
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: I taped that very accurately, waited it with, you know,

715
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: with my scale that I weigh everything with. So that's

716
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: kind of my baseline. I'm sure you could poke holes

717
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and whether or not that's accurate. And then I caught

718
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: one that was three and a half inches shorter here

719
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: a week ago, and there's only um, uh, just shy

720
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: of a pound difference between seven and a half inch

721
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: fish and a fish, and I thought, well, that kind

722
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: of seems not quite right. How's do how fat he is?

723
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: How built out? So the old man catches his bass,

724
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: and then in the tell, you know, every story becomes

725
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: like an epiphany story. Over time, he has an epiphany

726
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: and buys the house that I was born in. Down

727
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: the beach is another World War two veteran, kind of

728
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: named John Gary. And I say kind of only because

729
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: he got stationed in Canada during World War Two and

730
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: all he did was shoot deer. It sounds like it's

731
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: like he spent World War two shooting deer um in Canada.

732
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: And uh, he had this boat that was built. He

733
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: had a StarCraft bass Master Olive Green built in nineteen

734
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: seventy three, so the year before I was born, and

735
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: John Gary was like all the kids around the lake

736
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the fish. It was like John Garry's like the fishing mentor.

737
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: He had a net to catch beach minnows, sand mintos,

738
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: had a beach sand he hung up. You could go

739
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: down there and get mentals with John. He'd like rig

740
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: your rod up, he'd untangle your ship. He um. He

741
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: kept list of all the books he read. He read

742
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: a lot of like John grisha By type stuff. He

743
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: keep a list of. He got two lists, a list

744
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: of all the books he read, and then all the

745
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: days he fished. And he would log on a minimum

746
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy usually over two hundred days a year.

747
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people like to say they do that,

748
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: but not mean people actually do that. He'd fish two

749
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: hundred days year. It's a lot of time on water.

750
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: He would fish so reliably that when I was trapping

751
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: snapping turtles, I could go by his house at eleven

752
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: and get fish heads. It was like he just knew

753
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: that he fished, and he knew that he had fish heads,

754
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: and he would he just he He lived his wife

755
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: and then she passed away and he would fish more

756
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: than he could eat. Like he'd cook large moles like

757
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: he he'd play large moles and cook them scales down

758
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: on a grill. He'd soak them and milk and cook

759
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: them scales down on the grill. Yeah, they'd go out

760
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: and fish perch and bluegill. Him and these old guys,

761
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: and he hung out a lot of old drinker. He

762
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: was a big drinker two um. And they'd sell the

763
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: flames because there was a fish market in our county

764
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: and they would illegally sell. And he fished that the

765
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: fish market owner could plausibly legally have. And since there

766
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: was like perch fisheries in Canada and aquaculture facilities that

767
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: they blew gill, he could be like he could have

768
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: cover for that. So they would a lot of times

769
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: sell their fish to the fish guy. And man, they

770
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: just fish their asses off u. And he always had

771
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: his boat and he had on a haul out and

772
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: we used to actually go. He had a you know

773
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: those cranker things you lift your boat out of water.

774
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: And he had his own boat ramp, the only private

775
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: boat ramp on the lake. He had the first mink

776
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: I ever caught. I caught. It was muskrats had built

777
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: a den under the boat ramp, and I caught my

778
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: first mink out of that. And anyhow, just a very

779
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: like influential figure growing up, and that's whose boat it was.

780
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: He died and he got sick. He's almost dead. Anyhow,

781
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: we bought his boat and it went to live in

782
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: my mom's pole barn and sat my mom's pole barn

783
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: for I don't know, fourteen years. She started to get

784
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: a little nervous because she had been registering it the

785
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: whole time because she didn't think she thought it was

786
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: bad to have an unregistered boat in your barn, and

787
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: she eventually wind that boat out of there, and it

788
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: was right at the time. I was like, daha, we'll

789
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: use it for season two. So that's the boat. How

790
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: old were you when you started fishing out of that? Oh?

791
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, I was always around. Like we used to

792
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: catch more than we fished in it. We would catch

793
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: bullheads out of the bricks, out of the bricks that

794
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: the boat haul out sat out. But like it was

795
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: just all the boat was always there, Like you know,

796
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: you'd go out with John in the boat and you

797
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: show you how to catch crop ees. Just around. It

798
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: was always around right, And that's the boat. That's such

799
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: a great story. It's a huge upgrade. Can I say

800
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: one last tid bit about John Gary. He would cut

801
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: up oranges and freeze him the wedges, so then when

802
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: he came home from fishing and poured a glass of vodka,

803
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: he would then fill it full of frozen orange wedges.

804
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Those guys a lot man. He called his uh his

805
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: He had his fish shack and stuff on the beach

806
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: and he called it the Redneck Riviera because they sit

807
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: out there and finished getting drunk, finished getting drunk after fishing.

808
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That boat was. I mean, you guys will

809
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: all see it when you watch the show. But that

810
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: boat was was a whole lot of fun to work

811
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: on in the fish out and just see it. And

812
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: here's what I think compared to the one before, it's smaller,

813
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: which there was a little tighter quarters. It's a real

814
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: small boat. Like it's narrow and short. It's it's real

815
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: tight quarters. But I feel like fourteen ft, yeah, fourteen

816
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: feet and and also like again extra Narra, I didn't

817
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: measure the like gunald Gunda, but there's not much there.

818
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: And but I feel like that forced people to be

819
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more efficient in how they set it

820
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: up when they fished out of it. Like the other one,

821
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: there's enough space that you can just kind of blow

822
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: up and there was just ship everyone. This year it

823
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: seemed like everything, wait a minute, we don't have any space.

824
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: So they had to be more thoughtful and they had

825
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: to plan it out better. It just seemed to work out.

826
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: Like the interactions with the boat were good, absolutely great

827
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: season one, but I feel like they were in better

828
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: season two. Like everybody who left those man, I love

829
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: this boat. I'd want to fish out of this boat.

830
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: I think a great takeaway from being on both seasons

831
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: and seeing the differences in those two platforms is I

832
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: had the perspective of a lesser craft that made me

833
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: appreciate just a little bit of an upgrade as far

834
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: as that new platform represented. It's like, oh I can

835
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: it was hard enough last season. This my job just

836
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: became a little bit easier. And I think that's the

837
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: opportunity with this whole like Doss boat like theme and concept,

838
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: is to show that there's learning opportunities from fishing in

839
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, because when you get into something

840
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: that's not then you don't have any excuses anymore, I

841
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: may I may do with crap. Like my boat was

842
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: a two two purchased off Craigslist up in Big Bear,

843
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: covered in pine needles. I don't know how I got

844
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: that trailer home down to the l A area, but

845
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: like that feeling of getting off the bank was a

846
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: real thing. Now that whole new world has opened up

847
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: to me, and I learned how to fish out of

848
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: a piece of crap with just a trolling motor getting

849
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: blown all over these lakes when the wind picks up,

850
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: this down a third. So when I'm in a bass boat,

851
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: even if it's like a small eighteen nineteen foot or

852
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: old like two Ranger or something, I know what it's

853
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: like to fish out of a legit piece of crap,

854
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: so it doesn't phaze me anymore. And it's just like

855
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: you're complaining about the wind, Like, dude, this thing is

856
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: like an aircraft carrier. So I think people that jumped

857
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: straight into nice platforms and vessels and boats, like straight

858
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: out of high school or whatever, like good on them.

859
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: But I feel like they're getting cheated because they don't

860
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: know what it's like stuff with it. Yeah, right, it's

861
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: hard to appreciate what you end up having or even

862
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: no like learn how to. I feel like the learn

863
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: all the learning I did about how to get one

864
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: of those old boats to be an effective fishing tool

865
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: is super useful now, even in a nicer boat, because

866
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: I can think about, like, all right, how do I

867
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: how can I set this up to be more efficient?

868
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: How what changes can I make? What can I easily

869
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: do even though it's already great compared to what I'm

870
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: used to You've had to figure all that out in

871
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: the past. I think I think most people who fish

872
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: seriously have come through that, and it's like, yeah, all right,

873
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: I know how to kick out this boat. I know

874
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: that the things I need to do, and that's part

875
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: of the satisfaction in the fun, especially to bring it

876
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: out for many, many different fisheries. Yeah, I'm just your

877
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: main home stretch. I'm gonna be buying some raffle tickets

878
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: for dose boat. Yeah there's something about that thing, because

879
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: if you can I don't know if that might be

880
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: too sad, it might be too like heartbreaking for me

881
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: to see it go for a grown adult, like running

882
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: the tailor back there, if you throw your weight around

883
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: like you can, turn can help turn the boat. Yeah,

884
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: well that boat flies, and so there's something about that

885
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: where I was like, God, maybe this is the design

886
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: to put a jet on this thing, and it could

887
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: be can maybe like a fort peck gets some big

888
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: water on it and then also run up the river

889
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: to maybe I don't know, that boat goes thirty his

890
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: life gone. It feels like you're going so fast, it's

891
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: so fun. So Joe, Sir Mellie's here, He's here, but

892
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: not here, it's virtually here. Yeah. I was gonna say

893
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: man as a as a doss boat rookie because I

894
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: was not around for season one. Um having watched the

895
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: first one, I was very nervous going into our mission

896
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: with the new boat. But I gotta say me and

897
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: Tim land where who we fished in and fished within

898
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: my episode, both walked away from that going this boat

899
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: is freaking awesome, Like I personally would like to have

900
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: that boat. And I saw one here about a month ago.

901
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen that boat in my life. That that

902
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: the exact same boat, StarCraft bass Master. And there's a

903
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: river in North Jersey kind of in like a shady

904
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: part of the area here if we pike fishing and

905
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: there's these old shacks and these weird houses back there.

906
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the hills have eyes, and people

907
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: just pile old pontoon boats and jet skis back there,

908
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: and we're coming around the corner. Sure enough, man, same

909
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: exact boat, only with a center console at the wheel

910
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: wheel in the center. Ye tell people about the fisher

911
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: you went and checked out for season two, and I'll

912
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: tell you this. I want you to know now, I

913
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: fished for smallmouth in that river, including right below the

914
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: secret dam. Okay, so when I go turn it up there,

915
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: don't act like that I stole it from some stupid show.

916
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: This is a classic fishing conversations. Let me establish microdentials here.

917
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: I know where you're at. I've been up there forever. Yeah. Now,

918
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: so we we fished the man Nominee River in northern Wisconsin,

919
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: on the border with the with Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and um,

920
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: I feel like we got off really lucky because on

921
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: fabrication day it's like, well, we have to float this

922
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: thing down a very shallow, rocky river. So fabricating meant

923
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: just get everything the hell off of it, just strip

924
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: it down to absolute bare bones. And um, miles, you

925
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: were talking about how it gets narrow in the front,

926
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: like it's got a weird beam and that weird sort

927
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: of choke point in the front of this boat. We

928
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: didn't even have to bolt the yetti down, man, just

929
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: just shove that thing right in there. It locked into place,

930
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: and that was our aur rower seat. Um. But we

931
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: we went in. We went into it thinking like, there's

932
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: no way this is gonna work. And within a couple

933
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: of miles it was. It was cumbersome to row that thing.

934
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: It didn't respond at all. You couldn't like, you know,

935
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: crab crawl it and crab walk it. But um like,

936
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: no trouble And for just two guys it was awesome

937
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: to fish out of. We had like all the room

938
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: in the world. It was. It was. It was killer

939
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: you guys, cause the biggins we did and it was

940
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: it was slow by the standards of the dudes we

941
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: were fishing with. Um. But I mean they were some

942
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: of the biggest small mouth I've ever caught on the fly.

943
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: And it's in the super shallow clear water. And uh,

944
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: they call them passive feeders, So you think of these

945
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: small mouth as being aggressive all the time, and they

946
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: throw basically big dry flies foam chernobyl ant type things

947
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: they call wigglers, and they're like, now you just keep

948
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: putting it out there and it'll get over top of one.

949
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: And it's just such an easy meal dragon fly whatever

950
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: he thinks it is that these these big fish on

951
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: the bottom will just say, oh, I can't pass that up,

952
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: and they just come up and just nip it. So

953
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: you're watching these twenty in plus inch fish coming up

954
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: and just sipping these tiny flies. It was. It was

955
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: some of the most badass small mouth fishing I've ever done.

956
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: Why what makes it a what's that term? Passive feeder?

957
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how passive are you went up and eat

958
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: something off the surface? Well, in other words, like they're

959
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: just kind of not in kill mode. They're not chasing

960
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: bait around, they're not particularly in an ambush spot, um,

961
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, and they're just kind of laying there lazy.

962
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: But there's so many dragonflies and damsels and stuff out

963
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: there that it's like you're laying in bed and someone

964
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: comes by the appetizer tray. Yeah, like you it's exactly what,

965
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: just try some meat on it. Yeah, same deal. And

966
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: it's been cool because I learned a lot and I've

967
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: since done that with fish here and caught fish that

968
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: way out here. So so Joe, real quick, were you

969
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: imparting any motion to those to those flies or were

970
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: you just straight drifting them? No? You you move them,

971
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: but but barely. And uh, you know, it kind of

972
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: translates over to poppers too, because a lot of guys

973
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: throw foam and wood poppers, like the biggest thing. When

974
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: you slap down one of these foam wigglers are a popper,

975
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: those guys are like the slap is pop number one.

976
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: So people like to lay that stuff out and just pop,

977
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: pop pop and can move right away. It's like, no,

978
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: the slap is pop one. So with these wiggly bugs,

979
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: you'd slap it down and let it go, and they

980
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: would just say just move it barely. So they have

981
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: these long rubber legs coming off the sides, and you

982
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: would just twitch the line, I mean, move the rod

983
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: tip an inch two inches just to make it move

984
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: forward and just let those legs flex. And that's all

985
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: you would do to your drift ran out and pick

986
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: it up and put it down again. Down all these

987
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: soft banks. Now, when you guys are out there fishing, um,

988
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned how you kind of credit them with these

989
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: are dudes at all, went out you know, grew up

990
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, went out west to be trout guides

991
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: and ship and they learned about drift boats and throwing

992
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: flies and whatnot. And then they came back to their

993
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: homeland and took that technology to start catching big gas

994
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: baths out of the lake or out of the river.

995
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: Do you buy that? Do you think that they really

996
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: like invented that fishery or that method. Um. I wouldn't

997
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: say they invented it, and I don't know if they

998
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: would say they necessarily invented it either, But I think, um,

999
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, so many people are used to fishing smallmouth

1000
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: in really big rivers or deep lakes that um, it's

1001
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: a fairly unique situation, having these giant fish and a

1002
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: fairly small river that reads a lot more like a

1003
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: trout stream. So I think because of that situation they

1004
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: probably perfected it. They were just in the perfect place

1005
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: where they had that sort of experimental grounds to play

1006
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: with big dry flies, whereas guys in Pennsylvania or Michigan

1007
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, maybe they were just working hairbugs and poppers

1008
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: like they have been forever. Um. So I think just

1009
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: the whole scenario. Let those dudes really perfect that. And

1010
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: in fairness, it's not to say they're the only ones

1011
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: to do that. There are some very good guys in

1012
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Michigan smallmouth guides. They do the same thing, but they've

1013
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: honed this sort of very FINESSI much more trout like

1014
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: presentation than than the aggressive stuff most people think you'd

1015
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: need for small amountal do you know that there's an

1016
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: east else? Dude, he's got a book like Fishing River

1017
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: small Mouth and Fishing Stream small Mouth. I got his books.

1018
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: I probably have it here too. I'm telling you, man,

1019
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: I have never my life learned something from a fishing book.

1020
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: But he's got those maps. Well that that you have

1021
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: my book, I learned something from your fishing. No, I

1022
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: don't mean like that I have Joe and I Okay,

1023
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: that was Wronton say, I have Joe's surfishing book. I

1024
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: don't mean that I've learned a lot about like rigs

1025
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: and Okay, but hear me out, hear me out. What

1026
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean is, you know when people draw a map

1027
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: and it's like I stare. It's like here's a river

1028
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: and it shows like fish here, fish here, fish here.

1029
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I greater detail. I would usually be like

1030
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: somewhat skeptical of that illustration. Okay, Like I just wouldn't

1031
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: it wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, okay, and then go

1032
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: to a river and be like, hey, this is just

1033
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: like in the book, and then cast there, you know

1034
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. But he was like, because I used

1035
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: to fish the Delaware over your way for small mouth,

1036
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: big nice smallmouth. And I looking at his book and

1037
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: where he put his axes all the time, I was like,

1038
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm canoeing pass shiploads. According to this guy, I'm canoeing

1039
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: past ship loads of small mouth. And I started casting

1040
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: to where he would put his exes behind rocks and

1041
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: catching bass that I would have never known what they

1042
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: were there, because I would be like, oh, you go

1043
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: to the big deep bends, Yeah, you know, and that's

1044
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: of course, you know, any idiot would know. And then

1045
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: you'd pass. Then you'd go down two more miles of

1046
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: the river and not do anything because you're waiting for

1047
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: like the next thing. And meanwhile, every one of those rocks,

1048
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: not everyone of them, but like small mouth out of

1049
01:02:53,000 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: crazy spots man, well smallmouth. And actually it's okay, because like,

1050
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: looking back, I feel like I wrote that when I

1051
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: was twelve. It was so long, But I bought that

1052
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: book not knowing you were brought the book not knowing

1053
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: you or who you were. Yeah, it was served up

1054
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: to me when I was trying to figure out surfcasting. Yeah,

1055
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: it's cool. No, that's but to get back to what

1056
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: you're saying about the X is on the map. Um,

1057
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think people get pigeonholed into that with

1058
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff smallmouth and trout, and what we

1059
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: were doing in Wisconsin plays right into that. Yeah, your

1060
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: average your average dude, he's gonna go for the deep bend,

1061
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: the slower bends, the deep hole, the honey hoole. When um,

1062
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: if you really know what you're doing and learn from

1063
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: guys like I fished with in Wisconsin, it doesn't make

1064
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: sense for a twenty inch small mouth to be where

1065
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: we were catching them, But you're dealing with guys who

1066
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: understand why, and that's why it was so eye opening

1067
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: a lot too. Yeah, they may have been I see

1068
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: that a lot too with trout, Like nighttime mouse fishing

1069
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: for trout, they are not uh, where where you catch

1070
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: them at night is typically not where you catch them

1071
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: during the day. They move, and you know, everybody goes

1072
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: for the community hole and don't realize how much fish

1073
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: move around on a daily basis. All right, Kevin and Oliver,

1074
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: you guys went. He'll explain this to me. Man, Kevin,

1075
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: you grew up in muskie country, but you never fished muskie. No,

1076
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: I never did, because it seems like everybody always fished

1077
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: them in the fall and I was I was hunting.

1078
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: You called a big bull in near night, didn't You

1079
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: sure did? Anyhow, We'll get to that maybe later. Um.

1080
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: Never did you guys have t tiger muskies? Yeah? I

1081
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: think those like Midwestern lakes and especially in the like

1082
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: near the Twin Cities, to like there's all these fisheries

1083
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: that everybody was fishing. I just never got into it.

1084
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, it was cool. It

1085
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: was cool to go see that happen, you know, just

1086
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: like thing. It's like a new thing whereverybody's all fired up.

1087
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: But like in my grandpa's day, they fish musky by it.

1088
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: I'll take this the ust the harness rig chipmunks. No,

1089
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. They would they would harness rigged chipmunk and

1090
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: row it out into the middle of the lake and

1091
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: put it on a little piece of wood, and it

1092
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't it wouldn't want to jump off, of course not.

1093
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm just selny man. I didn't do this, and it

1094
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to jump off. You then go to the

1095
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: beach and wait a while and then pull the chipmunk

1096
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: off the board. And that's how they would fish muski.

1097
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: One of the ways they would fish musky and just

1098
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: watch it kind of service swimming's wait and wait for

1099
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: something to blow up on wait for something to grab it.

1100
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: Then would you rotate that out with a fresh one

1101
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: if you made it back to shore. I don't know,

1102
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: but I know that a little breather, you've earned your freedom.

1103
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: My grandpa would also um. They would. They would do

1104
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things that even the unnerved, even me,

1105
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: which is they would uh. They would talk about that

1106
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: when you find a big large mouth on its bed,

1107
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: what dud as you go dig around under logs until

1108
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: you find a salamander, because everybody knows if you hook

1109
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: a salamander and drop it out of the bed, it'll

1110
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: eat the salamander. And they would take little frogs and

1111
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: hook them and have those be swimming around a lot

1112
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: of just stuff that wouldn't fly. They wouldn't fly. Well,

1113
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about about muskie fishing becoming popular and cool now,

1114
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: and I think you know something we didn't really have

1115
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: time to cover on in that episode, as much as

1116
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to, is how much that has

1117
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that musky populations have made

1118
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: a significant rebound lakes. Well, they're dumping them all the lakes.

1119
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: Is well, I think it's hard to point to one

1120
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: fact now. It's because they're dumping them into all the lakes, man.

1121
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: I would I would say that like strains like, oh,

1122
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: this lake's got the Bally Who's strain or whatever, you know,

1123
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: and it's like he's exciting about it. Yes, it's it's

1124
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: like Leach Lake strains, a big one, the Great Lakes strain,

1125
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: and then the one from that river right up in

1126
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: that same area. I'm blanking on the name of that

1127
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: river strain that that's a big one that like grows

1128
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: faster but doesn't get as big. But anyway, you're right

1129
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: dot ones from miles aren't there Polka dot muskies out

1130
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,959
Speaker 1: there too? Those are those Great Lakes streams, I believe,

1131
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: like those ones you see from Saint Clair have a

1132
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: lot of those like heavy polka dot patterns, and they

1133
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: the States are buying them and dumping them into the

1134
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: lakes hopefully. Yeah, but those are giants, right, so they

1135
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: get big And you got all into this, Oliver, I did,

1136
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: and I come at it with a completely different perspective

1137
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: because I was pretty much from l a in my

1138
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: whole life and we don't have any muskies or X

1139
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: species anywhere near us, so as a young nothing. Now

1140
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: there's one lake I think it's called Lake Davis in

1141
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: northern California. Somehow Northern Pipe got into and like it

1142
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: was like a big deal and they pretty much poison

1143
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: the lake to try to start over. Uh, they're still there,

1144
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: but there's just like this weird thing about them. But

1145
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any exposure to them except through the

1146
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: content like TV shows, magazines, watching an in Fisherman TV

1147
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: show as a young kid on a Saturday morning, did

1148
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: you grow up like, did you grow up sitting around

1149
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: LA watching fishing shows? Yeah? Man, Yeah, tell your story.

1150
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: I heard it yesterday's. Yeah. My story is a little

1151
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: different than most. And just to give you a little

1152
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: context of who I was, I've never met my father,

1153
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: so watching all this content of like this very heavily

1154
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: father son, uncle's son, some type of paternal figure and

1155
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: young child as an entry point into fishing was not

1156
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: me and I just happened to randomly stumble upon it

1157
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: in We talked about it in episode four of season

1158
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: one as well of how I got started in fishing.

1159
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: But it was just kind of random. I was ten

1160
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: year old kid on a family picnic at a regional

1161
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: park just outside of l A. Uh. If you guys

1162
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: are fans of Bill and Ted's excellent adventures, um, it's

1163
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: putting Stone Lake on the other side of the freeway

1164
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: from sand Dimon's High school. Good luck with that one man.

1165
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a place that has always been challenging.

1166
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: And we were there on a busy weekend. It might

1167
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,919
Speaker 1: have been an Eastern weekend. It was a spring. Uh,

1168
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: there's frogs in the in the reeds and stuff. So

1169
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: I was being a ten year old catching things and

1170
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: came across a pile of discarded fishing line and back then,

1171
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: I guess literally must have been a proxix. I remember

1172
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: seeing signs of like, hey, don't throw fishing trash on

1173
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: the story line because it was there and I went

1174
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: through it and I found a couple of those like

1175
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: eagle claws smelled hooks kind of like mix and untangled

1176
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: probably three to four ft of it. And you know,

1177
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,520
Speaker 1: the only exposure I had to fishing as a suburban

1178
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: like l a County kid was what I saw on TV, right,

1179
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: whether it was like Yogi Bear like cartoon fishing or

1180
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: you know some kind of yeah, like some kind of

1181
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: reference in some TV show like Family Manner used an

1182
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: rcle and them going through the ice. That's why I

1183
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: don't want to ever go by ice fishing, because I

1184
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: was traumatized as a young kid because of that show. Um,

1185
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what I was doing, but I

1186
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: had enough sense to like take that three to four

1187
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: ft untangled line, wrap it around the end of a stick,

1188
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: and I knew I could find earthworms under rocks. So

1189
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: I went to the little creek that fed down into

1190
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: the southeast shoreline. Sure enough, found some earthworms. Throwing my

1191
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: little party cup and walk my little happy ten year

1192
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: old ask to the fishing pier where people were fishing,

1193
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: and I had my little entourage of coutins with me

1194
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: and pin a worm on that hook and just threw

1195
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: it over the end of the dock. No actually no, wait,

1196
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: fly line is what we call it on on the

1197
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: West Coast, so it's literally just your line, a hook

1198
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: in your bait. And my my cousins got bored after

1199
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: five or ten minutes, and I really back whatever, I'm

1200
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 1: just going to hang out here and just kind of

1201
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: started like dozing off into you know, to me with

1202
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: a wilderness, right, I mean this lake, and and before

1203
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: you know it, I could I feel that tell tell,

1204
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: like don't, don't, don't, And in that moment I went

1205
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: to just react and I tried to like pull out

1206
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: whatever this creature was, and that shitty line broke and

1207
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: it was probably a blue glod ready or sunfish most likely,

1208
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: And but in that moment, especially since I didn't capture it,

1209
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: I was just totally like just fascinated about like what

1210
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: the hell just happened, Like I need to know. Like

1211
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: that sense of mystery really drove me to want to

1212
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: come back to try to successfully catch whatever that was.

1213
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,480
Speaker 1: And I spent that whole week researching every fishing publication

1214
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: I could in the West Covino Public Library because my

1215
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: my mom would take me to the library every day

1216
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: after school, and I would just just read like do

1217
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: decimal system at all, like it was. And it's funny

1218
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: because like you guys are very entrenched in the fly

1219
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: fishing side of things, and a lot of that stuff

1220
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: that was available to me, and even outside of just

1221
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: l A was fly fishing stuff. So like terms like

1222
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: match the hatch and like reading water, like even though

1223
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: I didn't really have ways to apply it, like those

1224
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: are really like prominent in my like just my arc

1225
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: as a fisherman. So I went back out there, flooded

1226
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: my grandma's garden because I knew, like if you flood

1227
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: the dirt worms are going to come out, and she

1228
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: was pissed, but I flooded it, got a whole coffee

1229
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: can full of worms because I saw, I saw that's

1230
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: what people put worms in. So we got coffee cans.

1231
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this, And went back out there, talking

1232
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: my mom into his spending at the kmard across the

1233
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: street from the library. Got me a crappy little Shakespeare

1234
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,919
Speaker 1: spin cast combo with its little tackle box and everything,

1235
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: and I was tying overhand knots because I didn't know

1236
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: how to tie a knot like all that stuff I

1237
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: saw in the encyclopldia was too complicated for me to

1238
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: to digest. So literally a couple of overhand knots like

1239
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: a little dropper loop similar to a drop shot, but

1240
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a leader coming off like

1241
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: a three Waitte level, very crude, and spent all day

1242
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: on that pier and didn't have just no it was.

1243
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: It was like Kevin Bluegil fishing. There's just nothing going on.

1244
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But but at the end of the day,

1245
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: end of the day, sun's falling. And maybe this is

1246
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: why I still love fishing afternoons and evenings more so

1247
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: than mornings. Is as that sun was falling, I felt

1248
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: another tick and I wind in a bullhead that were

1249
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: there was like man validation. I'm like, damn, that was awesome.

1250
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: I did it, and that's led me to sitting here

1251
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: with you guys in Bozeman, Montana. So yeah, it's to

1252
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: me as a West Coast like fishing junkie seeing this

1253
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: like giant freshwater fish with these gnarly teeth and the

1254
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: tactics that these guys in some far off land which

1255
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: is the Midwest. To me, it was like, man, that

1256
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: looks so dope, Like I'll never probably get a chance

1257
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,440
Speaker 1: to go do that, but like, this is fascinating the Midwest.

1258
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: It was like it seemed like Marrakesh. It from my world.

1259
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: It really couldn't, like you know, getting past like an

1260
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: hour outside of downtown l A to go fishing was

1261
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: an adventure and like not something that I was fortunate

1262
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: to really experience. So to to see myself actually fishing

1263
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: for a muscal lunge didn't really register in my head

1264
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: until it's a great names. They a great name. They

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: should rebrand back to what they used to be most

1266
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: lunch Musca lunch. It's great. It's a great Like animals,

1267
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: they're amazing. And the fact that like Kevin grew up

1268
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: like totally like in one of the mecca's of it

1269
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: and didn't partake in it. It was fascinating to me

1270
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: because like I love all styles of fishing and I'll

1271
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: always be a heavy bass fisherman, but like I want

1272
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: to catch the Apex and those systems. They're the Apex,

1273
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: like they're they're the top dog. And seeing a four

1274
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: to six foot fish engaging with your hunk of artificial

1275
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 1: chipmunk boatside is an exhilarating experience. And you start driving

1276
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: out there to go. Yeah, well, I started driving around

1277
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: the country chasing big bass, and I started chasing big

1278
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: smallmouth the last four years and got into that, and

1279
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: then I would kind of just randomly encounter muskies wild

1280
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: bass fishing, and last year made it really considered effort

1281
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: to dedicate like two to three months of just chasing

1282
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: a proper muskie and like trying to apply different lure

1283
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: styles and techniques and just trying things that this established

1284
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: muskie fishing culture may not have tried. Because I saw

1285
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: something in that that culture that reminded me of a

1286
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: lot of the different fisheries in the different regions I've

1287
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: got to like engage with and penetrate. It's like they

1288
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: kind of pigeonhole themselves, like Joe is talking about, like

1289
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: in so many ways, like everybody is so afraid of

1290
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: missing out like that FOMO keeps them from experimenting and

1291
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: stepping outside of the norm because they don't want to

1292
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: waste the day, right, because they know excelure works and

1293
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: why lure works. So if I try z, I might

1294
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: have wasted that day for that cast. Right, And when

1295
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the fish of ten thousand casts a right,

1296
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: that's a high opportunity cost. Have you ever counted up

1297
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: how many casts it takes to catch musky Well that's

1298
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: skew too, because I also caught one on the first

1299
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: cast of the day once, So they're like, I gotta

1300
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: cast ten thousand more times, right, so like does that reset?

1301
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: And I've also caught them back to back cast, So

1302
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: but like on average I would say, like like ten

1303
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: thousand casts would be optimistic. No, this is what I

1304
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: was curious about. How many casts? Well know, how many casts?

1305
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: Have you ever counted up? I have no idea how

1306
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: many casts does the person do? Have you were like

1307
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: calculated it? Actually, someone like at a trade show in

1308
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: Italy gave me like this little like cast counting like

1309
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: device thing. Yeah, they have smart rods now that will

1310
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: count that for you. Yeah, when you're musky fish. Because

1311
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: I watched you muskie fish and you have a very

1312
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: polished cast. It looks like you've done it a lot.

1313
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you've done it ten thousand times, you've

1314
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: done it a lot of times. Well, I saw parallels

1315
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: in the muskie fishing, especially on the gear side. Two

1316
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: things I've been doing my whole life, whether that's inshore

1317
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: saltwater fishing in southern California or throwing a big like

1318
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: lure for giant large mouth Like the only thing I

1319
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: really had to account for on the gear side and

1320
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: the technical side is those teeth. So experimenting with leader configurations, materials,

1321
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: connection like options that was my biggest hurdle because I

1322
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: needed to be able to still fish those lures and

1323
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: articulate them in the way to trigger a bite but

1324
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: not be hindered from like oversized leaders or big barrel

1325
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: swivels to connect my line like little nuances that were

1326
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: affecting How I can like really maximize that hopeful potential

1327
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: opportunity I get once a day on return to cast numbers,

1328
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's a lot. How many? Know? How many

1329
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: can you really hawk out in an hour? And it

1330
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: depends on the fishing style because there are times when

1331
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm like burning a bait back, so I'm that that

1332
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: cast takes a lot less time. Then if I'm like

1333
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: really taking my time and fishing an area methodically, like

1334
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: some of my cast can take like five to ten minutes.

1335
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: If I know a fish lives on a piece of cover,

1336
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: like I will soak a big soft plastic, realistic bait

1337
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: down there, and eventually that fish may like engage with it,

1338
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: versus if I'm on a new body of water like

1339
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: dost boat, like I need to cover ground looking for

1340
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: an aggressive fish. Why did you guys go to a

1341
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: lake you've never fish before? I think that's part of

1342
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: the beauty of fishing, is diving into the unknown. But

1343
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: if I had, if I was making a thing, I

1344
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: don't want to right, Yeah, there's a balance, right. You

1345
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: can blame that on the oliver. It's okay, okay, cool

1346
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: miles made me fish there. We fish those lakes. I

1347
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: probably would have chose different places, but I didn't know

1348
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: so like that that mystery was it luring to me?

1349
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: I did catch one, so it worked out. Uh. Here's

1350
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't really have a grape of musky, but here's

1351
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you what I fear about muskies.

1352
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: I fear that it's not the fish. I don't blame

1353
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: the fish for anything. I fear that the human the

1354
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: emerging perception of muskies is playing into the gulf ification

1355
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: of fishing, and that the people who think that it's

1356
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: naughty two eat a fish will become so numerous that

1357
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: that will become the norm, and in the dystopian future,

1358
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: it'll be that there's just it's just more like that

1359
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: that that natural resources as stuff that you eat will

1360
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: become more fringe and it will be that like, well if, yeah,

1361
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: I see why you want to go fishing, but how

1362
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: why would you want to hurt a fish? And so

1363
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: that's like the in the long game, I fear the

1364
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: golfification of fishing. It'll lose its connection to being a

1365
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,440
Speaker 1: food acquisition tool. Right now, I will make this observation

1366
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: about the muskie community, and they remind me so much

1367
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: of like the trophy arge mouth community, Like those fish

1368
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: are so revered and so valuable, and those experiences that

1369
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: they provide us as anglers is that there's like an

1370
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: overprotecting like vibe. Those guys will hammer you on fish

1371
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: handling and care and this and a third, but it's

1372
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: okay to for me to stick a seven out trouble

1373
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: hooking its face, Like where do we draw the line?

1374
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: And we really didn't want to hurt it, right, you

1375
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: stay home? That's it. Yeah, But yeah, I think that's

1376
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: what I was just gonna say. That's what was in

1377
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: the Midwest growing up. That was like the old timers

1378
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: thought process. You know, it was like, oh, I'm not

1379
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: gonna go fish. I was, I can't eat them, you know,

1380
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: when I was a young dude, I just remember him

1381
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: talking about muskies is like these ferocious predators who they

1382
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: were killing their bluegills. Right, So we always fish for

1383
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: food growing up. But then my younger brother Ian started

1384
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: fish for muskies when I was when I was gone

1385
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: already out west um and that that transition from like,

1386
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: oh we can fish for these and we can still

1387
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: go catch bluegills and eat sort of is the norm now.

1388
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: I would say, that's kind of what we we showed,

1389
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you know a little bit there, Steve. I understand what

1390
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: you're saying about the muskies and the attitude about them,

1391
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, you don't think that's been going on

1392
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: long enough now that it's not a concern. I mean,

1393
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: they're not the only one, right. Tarpin a lot of

1394
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: guys like to fish for them, but they don't eat

1395
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: them bone fish, same thing. It hasn't stopped people from

1396
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: doing tarpin one day and mangrove staffords the next. So

1397
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: they had something to take to the restaurant and the

1398
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: keys to eat. Yeah, here's why I fear it, Joe,

1399
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: if you want to know, because even things like, um,

1400
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: it's even emerging with catfish, where it's becoming like like

1401
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: a fish that has always been regarded as a blue

1402
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: collar food fish. Okay, there's either people now where it's

1403
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: like if you catch a big cat, which it's kind

1404
01:22:55,080 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: of naughty that you ate it, right, and yeah, rivers

1405
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: that there's a fifteen a day, like it might be

1406
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: a bag of them in fifteen channels a day, and

1407
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:11,440
Speaker 1: then you got like the local cat Fisher's Association lobbying

1408
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: to have it be one a day. Right, so there's

1409
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: a there's a drift, and when it starts going after

1410
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 1: things like that, um, yeah, just like you know, any

1411
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: little piece of it, I'm not worried about, but the

1412
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: general sense of the minute, you get people who golfify

1413
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: a fish. Um, even when there's no real like there's

1414
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: no sort of like biology behind it, like this river

1415
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Monomnie River, Like, oh, you know,

1416
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: you can't keep fish out of the Monominee. Uh you know,

1417
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: because you'll destroy the fishery. Uh. Fish and game apparently

1418
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. Yeah, No, you're right, because you can

1419
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: still keep one. So if that was the truth, I

1420
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: guess what you're saying is they would just make the

1421
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: whole thing no kill, which they haven't. Yeah, like like

1422
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: who And so when people start to take where you

1423
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: have like a team of biologists out there whose job

1424
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: and you haven't and date from the state to manage

1425
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: fisheries in perpetuity. Right, they can't run fisheries into the ground.

1426
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to. It happens, but you're not supposed

1427
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: to that. These people can look and be like, yes, um,

1428
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: we feel that you can catch whatever the hell channels

1429
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: the channel cats a day out of some river. Um,

1430
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: but then you wind up having other outside forces come

1431
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: in like never mind what you've found. We like catching

1432
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: them and letting them go, and our life will get

1433
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: better if the if the the hell billies that come

1434
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: out here to eat catfish weren't able to do that,

1435
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: I would have more fun golfing with these fish. See.

1436
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: I think that's just like I don't know, I don't

1437
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: like it, man, I don't like it. I think it

1438
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: probably stems more from what social media and the internet

1439
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: have done fishing. I think, like I look at that

1440
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: with flatheads, like there's a ton of flatheads in the

1441
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: School River and Philly huge culture and internet forums and

1442
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: groups on on flatheading there, and yeah, nobody ever talks

1443
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: about killing one and eating one there because I think

1444
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: that they would rather have them for an Instagram post

1445
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 1: than quietly take them home and cook them, even though like, personally,

1446
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm right, well, you built an entire business around that's

1447
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: why we're all here. But there is like to say, so, yes, this,

1448
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: this should make you upset, and Leary is fine too,

1449
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: But there's parts of bodies of water, and there's certain

1450
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: times throughout history that that attitude is very appropriate, and

1451
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: there's times where it's very inappropriate. And some of this

1452
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: is based around, well, you gotta return those big ones

1453
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: because those are the effective breeding fish. Now certain circumstances,

1454
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: we need all the effective breeding fish doing what they

1455
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: can because that fishery is in trouble and we need

1456
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 1: those numbers. And there's there's all these other fascinating factors

1457
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: that I'm learning more and more about every day. Sometimes

1458
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: we just need numbers in order to keep other fish

1459
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: out of the system, and you're gonna have to deal

1460
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: with eight inch trout instead of eighteen inch trout because

1461
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: we just need that mass taken up in the river.

1462
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: But there's this other time where it's like, boy, the

1463
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: reason we have a bunch of eight inch trout in

1464
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: here is because nobody's keeping them. And his damn catch

1465
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: and release ethos and folks hooked on dry flies and

1466
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: no bait is what is keeping this river where it's at.

1467
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, like the really conservation because it isn't truly

1468
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: about what is best for the fish in this instance, right,

1469
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: it also takes into account recreation and economics and uh

1470
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that the social media, uh what people want and like, um,

1471
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: you know what people think about their fishery and what

1472
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 1: needs to happen. It takes there's a big lag between

1473
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: the biological data and what people think, and when those

1474
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: two meet, you know what I mean, it's like you

1475
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: mean like when you do surveys, everybody says they would

1476
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 1: like to catch more bigger fish. Yes, right, and then

1477
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: it's like that deal down on the snake, right, we're

1478
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: right a whole fishing games like great, what we need

1479
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: to do is kill a lot of rainbows and everybody's like, oh,

1480
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: we don't really want to do that. It's like, well,

1481
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: you want more cutthroat and bigger fish. We need to

1482
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: kill a lot of rainbows. No, you're still not doing it. Okay,

1483
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you to do it, and you can

1484
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: keep as many as you want. Oh you're still not

1485
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: doing it. Okay, Well we're gonna pay you to do it.

1486
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: You can keep as many as you want, and then

1487
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 1: you can give them to us and we'll give them

1488
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: to a food bank. Oh you're still not doing okay.

1489
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 1: Well jeez, Well that's when you got to go to

1490
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: the move that happens now and then. Is it's illegal

1491
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to let them go alive? Yeah? Yeah, And there are

1492
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: fisheries like that. You can't let it go alive, right,

1493
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: Flaming gorge right now, Bourbon, If you catch a bourbon,

1494
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it illegal to let it go. Yeah.

1495
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: But I want to ask this question with specifically back

1496
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: to the muskies, right, and and we talk about a lot.

1497
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: We talked about how the dollars that are spent on

1498
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: tags and license sales go toward things that we believe

1499
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: in management practices that are important. Right, and so if

1500
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: you want to talk about fisher let's just let's take

1501
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay as an example. There are in the last

1502
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: ten years, really five, but let's go back ten years.

1503
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: That has become known as a one of these places

1504
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: to go for trophy muskies, Like if you want to

1505
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: catch a fifty incher, that's the place you go in

1506
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Yes, and that has led to a signal,

1507
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: nificant influx of people coming there buying those licenses because

1508
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 1: they want to catch those fish. Guilty, and and and

1509
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: and that that is bringing in revenue dollars that are

1510
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: going towards management and conservation. If those big fish weren't there,

1511
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: if people didn't want to get their picture taken with

1512
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: that fifty in fish, you could I think there's a

1513
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: clear argument you can make that there would be a

1514
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: loss of revenue toward conservation management of those fisheries. I

1515
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: think there's value there. I get the I'm not arguing

1516
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: with the golfers were tribal. We're tribal people many um

1517
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: and I UH associate with and empathize with, and UH

1518
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 1: feel inclined to look out for the interests of a

1519
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: group of people. And there are layers to it, and

1520
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 1: at the tightest core is on like the person whose

1521
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: interests I want to advocate on behalf of would be

1522
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: the person who v use um wildlife management as being

1523
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: a combination of maximizing suitable habitat maximizing wildlife populations in

1524
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: order to allow sustainable use, sustainable extraction. And they're still

1525
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna get that picture. It's just the fish is going

1526
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: to be kind of covered in mud and have a

1527
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: dent nuts forehead. It's a little bit of blood. It's

1528
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: so just like raising kids. You have a child, now, okay,

1529
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: a little thing, right, they look at you, kind of

1530
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: roll their eyes. Right, You're like, is that in and

1531
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: of itself the end of the world? No, but I

1532
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: noticed it. I noticed it. I didn't like it. And

1533
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: then they kind of do this, and you're like, is

1534
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: that in and of itself? I mean that my kids

1535
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: a darrel looked No. Did I like it? No? And

1536
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: so when I look like all these little pieces of this,

1537
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: like the muskie thing, I went out musky we went

1538
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: to night so um, and when we used to catch

1539
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: tiger muskies we'd be bummed out when they weren't legal size. Yeah, so, uh,

1540
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: in and of itself, is this little thing going to

1541
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: like ruin the wild foods world? No? But do I

1542
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: like it? Yeah? A little suspicious of it. I think,

1543
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I think the suspicion is fair. I'm not. I'm not

1544
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: arguing that point. I'm really not, and I've I mean,

1545
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: you talk about the Snake River. I used to cover

1546
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: these stories all the time when I was writing for

1547
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: fly fishing magazines because it was fun to piss off

1548
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: people and talk about that, Like the beaver Head. I

1549
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: did a whole thing on the beaver head and how

1550
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: stunted those fish are and how the biologists are begging people.

1551
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, they were trying to talk about making a

1552
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: seventy five fish a day limit, and I know, seriously,

1553
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't. You didn't give a dude to ticket

1554
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: if he had seventy six. But I was like the cooler,

1555
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: damn it. It was an interesting conversation with this biologist

1556
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: because like, seventy five fish, man, like, you can't get

1557
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: people to keep three. What makes you think that going

1558
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: to seventy five they're gonna they're gonna do it. He's like,

1559
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to bring in a different group of anglers,

1560
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to convince these guys to go who

1561
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: won't take one to get seventy five. But if I advertised, like, hey,

1562
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: you can keep seventy five fish a day. Here, I'm

1563
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: going to get a different group of anglers that's coming

1564
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: in and they're gonna feel cooler. Yeah, you're gonna have

1565
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: some bloody knuckle. Dude take notice and be like, there

1566
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: must be something going on there that I need to

1567
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: find out about the big hole right next to the

1568
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,480
Speaker 1: beaver head. Or I was reading um in the Montana

1569
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: UH Fishing Game magazine, Old I should clarify they didn't

1570
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: change it seventy five. That never happened, just so everybody

1571
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: like that didn't go through. But that was what they

1572
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do. A big hole. Regulations were ten pounds

1573
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: of fish plus one per person per day, plus one

1574
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: plus plus not one pound, but plus one fish. Do

1575
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: you have it any idea like what that was meant

1576
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: to do? I don't even know who I could talk to.

1577
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I'll figure that out though, because that has obviously stuck

1578
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: with me. Some guy called his representative and said, wow,

1579
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: I caught ten pounds. Then I caught a real giant,

1580
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: and well I supposed to let it go. And he's like,

1581
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: what we'll do is we'll adjust the regulations to say

1582
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: ten pounds plus one. Seems like great. Thanks, put your

1583
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: food aside at the beginning of the day and then

1584
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: you can. But if you really get one, you just

1585
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: can't stomach letting go. Yeah, keep him too. So uh,

1586
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 1: but you caught a muskie for this show. Yeah? Yeah,

1587
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: the stars aligned saw a little window in that morning

1588
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: and we got one. You know, it's hard, one of

1589
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the hardest things for a cameraman to do the moment.

1590
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: They always catch your reeling, but I don't catch the

1591
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: hookups because what are the odds casts, what are the

1592
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: odds that they're low. I asked for four days minimum

1593
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: for this shoot, initially only for we got three, but

1594
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 1: like I have to, I just have to jump in

1595
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: and add just give props because on our shoot they

1596
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: had a camera guy this crew. He swore he was

1597
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: on my fly on every single drift the entire time

1598
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: we were there. He's like, if that gets eaten, I

1599
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: will not miss it. Did he hold up to did

1600
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: he hold up to the I think he got all

1601
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: the eats? I really do ye. Big shout out to Bryson,

1602
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: Brian Gregson, you were going for there, I was. I

1603
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: was going for Paul Bourke on that if if he

1604
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: was listening because he was on that fly the entire day. Ken.

1605
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, Kevin Harlander. Why isn't

1606
01:34:54,080 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: that when I was reviewing the cut to edit. Are

1607
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: they messing with you? Or they make it be that

1608
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: you never even catch up bluegill? Probably? I definitely boated

1609
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: some fish, that's sure. I was just there for the jokes.

1610
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: I think they make it seem like when you guys

1611
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: switch the bluegill fishing, which is my style of fishing,

1612
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: they make it seem like Oliver is just blowing them up. Yeah.

1613
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: I was trying to make a point with the whole

1614
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: leech slip bob or set up and didn't really work out.

1615
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: He's trying to wrap the Midwest to the fullest. He

1616
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: stuck away the did you uh did you not catch

1617
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: a blue gill? I put my in my notes, I

1618
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: put like, did he really not catch up bluegill? So

1619
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: I caught some bluegills? Good? I think you's talked about

1620
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: one scene. You guys remember that one scene where like

1621
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: we first switched the bluegill and Oliver put on the

1622
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 1: drop shot. Did the drop shot rig? And it was

1623
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,759
Speaker 1: that first time Kevin were like that in that one hole,

1624
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 1: you really did blank but I think it wasn't. It

1625
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like from there on out you never got another

1626
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 1: like you got into him, but in that one hole, Yeah,

1627
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 1: it didn't look good for you. Yeah, that's Paul said.

1628
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna make me look bad. But that got call?

1629
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: Uh what? Um? How happy already catched? Like? Was it

1630
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 1: did it strike you as uh, you know, to catch

1631
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: a muskie out there? Were you like about time or

1632
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: were you thinking, man, we got lucky. Um. I've spent

1633
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: a lot of time fishing them in the last eighteen

1634
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: months now, and I knew that catching one on film,

1635
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: with all the pressures that come with it, it was

1636
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be easy. But I felt good about our odds,

1637
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: like I've put in that time, and I gained some

1638
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: confidence in that that fishing style, and I wasn't surprised

1639
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 1: by it. I felt like we should have had another

1640
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: chance at a truly big fish and that didn't come.

1641
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Can you tell people about the um the figure eight deal? Yeah,

1642
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: which is like, what do you want to know about

1643
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: It's It's well, I just explained to people the strategy

1644
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: of the figure eight, Like do you only throw a

1645
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: figure eight when you see it? You don't do it

1646
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: every time. This is going back to kind of like

1647
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 1: that lore and like that mysticism that was muskie fishing

1648
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: to a California kid, right like oh, the figure eight,

1649
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: Like what is this? And it's this boat side mechanic

1650
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: that accounts for the behavior of these muskies where they'll

1651
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: track your bait all the way to the boat. And

1652
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: if you can maintain that fishes focus on your lure

1653
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: even boat side, you stand a pretty high chance of

1654
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: getting it to still bite your lure even though he's

1655
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: like basically staring at you, staring at you, I mean,

1656
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: even like your whole rod is in the water, Like

1657
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy, because like that just seems so foreign to

1658
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: so many different fishing cultures, and it's it's very prominent

1659
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: in muskie fishing to where like some fisheries like Lake

1660
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 1: of the Woods they say like two thirds of your

1661
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 1: bites actually come boat side, like you'll suck those fish

1662
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: up from a long cast and you can expect it

1663
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: to actually make it like kill attempt at some point

1664
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: on the at at the boat. And for me that

1665
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: that was the first time I actually caught one doing it,

1666
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: after tens of thousands of repetitions and failed repetitions. And

1667
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: I think part of that was because of where I

1668
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: was doing most of my muskie fishing was really high visibility,

1669
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 1: clear water. Those fish would see us and the boat

1670
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: and spook like by the time I went into the

1671
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: first turn versus like Lake of the Woods is much

1672
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: like dirtier water, so they I just don't think they

1673
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: are as skittish. And I got my first one after

1674
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: watching this in muskie follow my freaking white poodle looking

1675
01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 1: lure like around and around and around, and we're all like, dude,

1676
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: it's still there. And on the first the fourth turn,

1677
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 1: it actually got it. And it's like the water just

1678
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: like cutting circles the rod right I'm and I'm going

1679
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: like high, like away from the boat, and I'm changing

1680
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 1: elevations and like trying to pump it on the turns,

1681
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 1: like just trying to get it to trigger and watching

1682
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,799
Speaker 1: this fish just engage with my thing as I'm walking

1683
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: it in like this big circle four times around, and

1684
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: when it actually made the commitment, We're all kind of like, oh, ship,

1685
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: it's got it. Like this is a real thing, and

1686
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: it's It's a fascinating fishing technique and one that I've

1687
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: actually previously applied with large amouth bass fishing, and it's

1688
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 1: not as like aggressive of like a figure eight And

1689
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: most of the time I'm actually doing like ovals because

1690
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: those bigger fish apparently have a harder time like turning

1691
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: on a dime and have got big predatory like skittish

1692
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: like where we like educator conditioned fish to make a

1693
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: mistake with inches of line off my rod tip. I

1694
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: did it yesterday on the Yellowstone. Got a brown shout

1695
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: to eat my jerk bait because I was trying to

1696
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 1: burn it in to make a cast at a snag

1697
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: and this like nineteen inch brown shout just blines it

1698
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: like fastest hell and boat side like I didn't. I

1699
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: was about to go into a figure eight turn because

1700
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: I've just built that into my mechanics. It didn't even

1701
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: give me a chance. It just snuffed it well, like

1702
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: right at the end of my rod tip. But I've

1703
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: actually started incorporating it like on some other fishing like

1704
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,719
Speaker 1: it's like murray cod fishing in Australia, a barrow mundy,

1705
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a underutilized fishing style for all fish.

1706
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: But like the muskie guys, like you have to make

1707
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: that boat side mechanic at least one revolution, especially in

1708
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: like low light or low visibility situations, whether the water

1709
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: is dirty or nighttime fishing, because you don't know if

1710
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 1: there's one on it or not. And sometimes like you'll

1711
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: suck one in and it will camp out under the

1712
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: boat and then like on the six cast later or

1713
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: something like, it could just hid he's been the whole time. Potentially,

1714
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: they do that, so you you're supposed to do it

1715
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: every time, and it it's kind of like that Murphy's

1716
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: All thing. Every time someone that's super green to muskie

1717
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 1: fishing comes on my boat and I'm trying to like

1718
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: tell him figure eight every time at least one revolution

1719
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: because that'll give you time to kind of like watch

1720
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: and see if there is one in the area. And

1721
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: everybody gets lazy. Man. It's a mental focus thing, like

1722
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: and the one time they don't do it, guess what happens.

1723
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: It's big, big old musky was on it and maybe

1724
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: if you had actually gone into a turn, it could

1725
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: have ate it, but you never gave it that shot

1726
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 1: and you just blew your shot for the day, you know, potentially,

1727
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: So it's it's an exercise of like this mental focus

1728
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: and hyper focus. Then that's what drew me into it

1729
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: as a fishing like culture because that's like right up

1730
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: my alley with like the engagement I'm expecting and living

1731
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: trophy bass fishing, like I'm trying to catch a fish

1732
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: that most people on average will never see all the time,

1733
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: so I have to maintain this level of hyper focus.

1734
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: And for me, like the musky fishing, I was like, oh, like,

1735
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: you're just a dumb bass guy from California. You don't

1736
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do any good. Like you're gonna throw

1737
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 1: that thing now here, man, throw this, throw these two

1738
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 1: things that every other musky fisherman I've ever talked to

1739
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: tell me to throw. It's like, yeah, I'm not gonna

1740
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 1: do that. Road. Yeah, I went rogue and I stuck

1741
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: some good fish and had a lot of fun, like

1742
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: learning the process and failing on my own and trying

1743
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: to pick and choose from these hardcore muskie guys who

1744
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I respect so much as a culture as again a

1745
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: type of angler. But like, at the same time, how

1746
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 1: do you know that there isn't a better way to

1747
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,560
Speaker 1: catch a musky or a different because you went and

1748
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: talk to everybody at the fly shop, Oliver, they told

1749
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: you what's up? Yeah you can, you can skip all

1750
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 1: that stuff, right. Yeah. I enjoy the process of learning,

1751
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: and unfortunately experience and failure is the best way to learn. Yeah,

1752
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: it really is until you actually like live it and

1753
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: can have that opportunity to make that adjustment on your

1754
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: next opportunity. Yeah. I think here and stuff is great,

1755
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: but then making it your own is particularly helpful. Man, totally,

1756
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 1: because I think when you're doing something with confidence, you

1757
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: do it differently and do it better, right, Slightly differently

1758
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: and better for with confidence, right, is a huge part

1759
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: of it. And nobody like the amount of people that

1760
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: have the stomach for failure over and over again is

1761
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: just not a lot of folks like that. They're like, man,

1762
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: I need some success though. We're talking to uh, we're

1763
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: talking to the baseball player Peter Alonzo. He saw about

1764
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: the psychology of baseball players and being a bad or.

1765
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 1: He's his baseball is a game of failure. It's just

1766
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: all failures because if you can um succeed ten percent

1767
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: of the time, you might be regarded as phenomenal failure.

1768
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: So it's like you get really used to it's not

1769
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 1: every time you get out to the plate like bayam homer,

1770
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: bayam homer, right, have a good homer because I'm doing

1771
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 1: the bad Like if you're bating a hundred, you're not.

1772
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: You're not doing that right, great better than me, but

1773
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the hell number. Yeah, maybe he

1774
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: said they're amazing. Point being, he's like, it's more typical

1775
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: to fail at bat, absolutely than it is to succeed

1776
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: at bat. I think that applies for anything that's hard

1777
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: to do, anything that is like revered. It shouldn't be

1778
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: easy because no one cared be like blue your fit

1779
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: toss boat? Do you don't be hacked on blue gill fishing? Now,

1780
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: why wasn't you guys were incapable of catching the big

1781
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: mouth buffalo? I mean, like you can't put the you guys,

1782
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 1: it was it was me, cal was smarter than Me's

1783
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: like that looks stupid. I'm not going to do that.

1784
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: You go ahead, But what were you trying? Like most

1785
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 1: of them? I mean people do catch them, yes, yeah,

1786
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: most they shoot a lot with bows in the river

1787
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 1: like there's and certainly like in the more of the

1788
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 1: moving water as opposed to like the stag nut stuff.

1789
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm not putting anybody down here. But like that that

1790
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: is very doable, very very well within the realm of

1791
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: what people would consider success, like not that much of

1792
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 1: a trick, but going out on the big water with

1793
01:45:55,680 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: the big old fish very doable as well. But that

1794
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: is going to take a lot, a lot of failure

1795
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: to figure out what were you trying to do? All right,

1796
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 1: So I feel like I should give a little context

1797
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: on what this fish is because not that people know that.

1798
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 1: Everybody sees me. I think they're looking at the cart

1799
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: right and and just so everybody knows, big mouth buffalo

1800
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: are not carb, They're not even related to car. They're

1801
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 1: the world's largest sucker and there they are native fish

1802
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: in North America, and they're incredibly cool. And I used

1803
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: to support a commercial fishery they did. Yeah, I've not

1804
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 1: eaten one. I've heard they're very delicious. We have grilled

1805
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: the ribs on them. Really, there's guys in Wisconsin take

1806
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,679
Speaker 1: the ribs, clean the fish and then they take the ribs,

1807
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: leave it on the bone Brussia with barbecue sauce and

1808
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: grill it and then you suck the ribs clean like

1809
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you're eating pork ribs. Nice. Yeah, it's good. It's still

1810
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: a commercial fish and Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, and I believe

1811
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: Louisiana as well. Yeah, the last I could find, which

1812
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 1: wasn't super contemporary, but the last commercial fishing report I

1813
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: found from Louisiana. They were a small send it to

1814
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: the commercial fish, but they were they still were representative there.

1815
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: But anyhow, uh, we learned about these fish. I think

1816
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 1: I think you actually turned me onto that cal You

1817
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 1: turned me onto that that study that came out and

1818
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: because I can't remember what it was, member of old

1819
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 1: fish uhest known fish in the in the US freshwater fish. Yeah,

1820
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 1: there was this assumption that they lived like the same

1821
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: length as other sucer species, so twenty thirty years, but

1822
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: no one had ever tested that. They're they're a rough fish.

1823
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,759
Speaker 1: They don't get much attention. No one had really studied

1824
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 1: them much at all. And then this guy named Alec

1825
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: Lackman decided he was gonna do a study. He was

1826
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: gonna pull out the odlet bones from some of these

1827
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: fish and age them from from in his home turf

1828
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,080
Speaker 1: in Detroit Lakes and discovered, first of all, the oldest

1829
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: fish he found was a hundred and twelve and second

1830
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: of all couldn't really find any fish under eighty years

1831
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: old in that system. And it was because they have

1832
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 1: been gone to ship, right, And so there's no successful

1833
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: reproduction anymore, just all fish that were born prior to

1834
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: going to ship. Wasn't that something like that? Well they

1835
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: don't know like it had been. Yeah, there's there's you

1836
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: know with all things. It's like, okay, well here we

1837
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: we found this. We can make a lot of speculative ideas, right, like, well,

1838
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: that fish landed on your car because two birds were

1839
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: having a fight. Um, you know, oh this elk got

1840
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud. That's how it ended up on

1841
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 1: your boat anchor or your dog anchor, right, um. And

1842
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: so that's where they're at with this, and and uh

1843
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, so they do have some funding. They're going

1844
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 1: to release another paper coming up. But yeah, the the

1845
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: idea is something has happened that UM has limited recruitment.

1846
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: So there is they think some some successful spawning, but

1847
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: there is no successful recruitment mean meaning that UM eggs

1848
01:48:56,479 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 1: are being produced and inlaid, but they are not uh

1849
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, rearing a new age class of fish UM,

1850
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 1: and that that's happening in very very limited doses as

1851
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: compared to other populations that are successfully spawning and having

1852
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 1: successful recruitment outside of this system. UM. They know that

1853
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: the sucker fish UM can have some pretty amazing uh

1854
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: migrations for spawning, and they know that that that can't

1855
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 1: happen in this system that they're looking at right now,

1856
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: do you know, do to some man made factors. So

1857
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: they're like, ah, this could be something. And if they

1858
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: look at the fact that they have eighty two and

1859
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: twelve year old fish, it lines up very well with

1860
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 1: how some of these waterways have been manipulated. Yeah, there

1861
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 1: are a couple of things that looked at. One is

1862
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 1: is changing the hydrology, putting in dams and things like that.

1863
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:57,560
Speaker 1: But the other thing is right around that time is

1864
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: when common carp showed up. And common carp fill a

1865
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 1: similar niche in the ecosystem as these fish. They don't

1866
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: just look alike, they feed similarly, they spawned similarly. Even

1867
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: though they're not at all related, they're in the same

1868
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 1: place as doing some similar things. So it could be

1869
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: that it's because of the changes to this waterway. It

1870
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: could be the introduction to this of this invasive species.

1871
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: It could be considering they know that these fish can

1872
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: be over a hundred years old and still be capable

1873
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: of spawning, still be pretty fit, in good shape. They

1874
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 1: may be fish that don't successfully recruit every year or

1875
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 1: even every ten years, but they just don't know. So

1876
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: it's still uh people just figured this out last year,

1877
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 1: so that those research is brand new, and we got

1878
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: to go hang out with the dude who's doing this

1879
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: research and and get to get to meet some of

1880
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: these fish. Say he's interested in what he's doing would

1881
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 1: be a gross understatement. What does he What does this

1882
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: individual feel about the fact that people go out and

1883
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 1: fill garbage cans and dumpsters full of car and probably

1884
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: are mixing in all kind of big mouth buffalo in there.

1885
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: You know, I would say it doesn't like it. But

1886
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: there's part of him. Uh Alec has a uh an

1887
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:13,639
Speaker 1: interesting brain, for sure. There's part of him that knows

1888
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: that these people value that fish, even if it's just

1889
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: to shoot, and that could in turn be valuable to

1890
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 1: keeping this fish around. When I was out both fishing

1891
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: with Jared Fink in Wisconsin, they you could definitely tell

1892
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: because if you knew what you're looking at, you would

1893
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 1: know a big mouth buffalo when you saw it, and

1894
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 1: they would like it. Yes, yeah, they still shoot it, yeah,

1895
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 1: but they would prefer to get it and that would

1896
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: be like and that's one of the amazing things that

1897
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 1: really came to light, um because we talked with a

1898
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who you know, like anybody who

1899
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: really gets turned onto some kind of fishing or hunting,

1900
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: like started both fishing about fifteen years ago and then

1901
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: he kind of figured out how to be the best

1902
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 1: bow fisher mountain and got really really invested into it.

1903
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: And he holds the big mouth buffalo in very high

1904
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: regard to the point where, um, it used to be

1905
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: that that is the fish he would target to where

1906
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't sporting for him to go after karp and so,

1907
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 1: but he still likes to shoot him. But he has

1908
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 1: seen firsthand that the population is going down. But there's

1909
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 1: some challenges associated with this, you know, big old fish

1910
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 1: that are much more desirable from like a sporting aspect,

1911
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: which again could be you know, something that you could

1912
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: harn us for the preservation of this species. And so

1913
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 1: what were you guys trying to do? We were, well,

1914
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: we were trying to do two things. One we wanted

1915
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 1: to go meet this dude and learn about these fish

1916
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: because we turned onto the story. We think it's fascinating.

1917
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 1: And in this Detroit Lakes area where we were focusing

1918
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,639
Speaker 1: part of our story, you know, that's the area where

1919
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: they can't find fish. Are hardly any fish under eighty

1920
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: years old. And I think it was ten years ago

1921
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 1: it became legal to bow fish at night with no limit,

1922
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 1: and so guys are pulling out thousands of pounds of fish.

1923
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking to both fisher said, yeah,

1924
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: I get five hundred pounds a night. Used to be

1925
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. And now they're not seeing them

1926
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: of big mouth buffalo, big mouth buffalo, not carp, not carp.

1927
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 1: This is what this is what we were told, not anymore. Now.

1928
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: He's like, man, I remember ten years ago, you go out,

1929
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 1: you go out for a few hours, you literally fill

1930
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: your boat. Now you go out, you might see a couple.

1931
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: And and so they're they're seeing a dramatic change because

1932
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: these fish aren't reproducing, and the bow fishers really want

1933
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: to shoot them because they think it's really fun, it's

1934
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: great sports. So they would call it instead of saying

1935
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:49,640
Speaker 1: they were going carp shooting, they would go buffalo shooting. Well,

1936
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: they'll shoot they'll shoot carp or dog fish or sheeps

1937
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 1: or other things as well, but buffalo were like the

1938
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: prime target. They were apparently the most challenging fish, and

1939
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 1: they fought the hardest. So those are the ones that

1940
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: they wanted to get, but were they were They garbage

1941
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 1: in them all. So they're still throw them in a

1942
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 1: dumpster and put him on the field. Whatever helps you

1943
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: do exactly. Yeah. The exception, I mean really, if you

1944
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: especially if you look at the gross poundage, the exception

1945
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 1: to the rule would be eating them. Yeah. I went

1946
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: to a bow fishing tournament one time, kind of covering

1947
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,600
Speaker 1: a bow fish and tournament and just everything to do

1948
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: a dumpster man, and it was a lot of carp

1949
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: but it was also a lot of native fish. Yeah,

1950
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: tons a long nose gar fish, dog fish into a dumpster.

1951
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: I went to a shark tournament one time, and they

1952
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: fill a dumpster. They fill two dumpsters. Blue sharks, no

1953
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 1: two dumpsters. The UH Tennessee regulations allow you to dump

1954
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 1: those things back into the waterway that you got him in, uh,

1955
01:54:55,680 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 1: which to me is seems more appropriate than throwing him

1956
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 1: in a landfill somewhere. At least you got nutrients going

1957
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 1: back into the system somehow, some way, But it is

1958
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 1: just it's hard not to see it all as very wasteful.

1959
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 1: If you can put if you can go in into

1960
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: a fishery and put slot limits in place, you can

1961
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 1: ask hunters not to shoot female bears, right. You can

1962
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 1: request that hunters don't shoot uh Nanny's on mountain old

1963
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: hunts ship. That takes like a trained eye to figure out.

1964
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: You can put antler restrictions in place, being like it's

1965
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 1: got to have three points on one side. Whatever. Like

1966
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: you can ask people to have like a little to

1967
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 1: have a discerning I why not just have it be

1968
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, you can shoot carp, shoot carp. That's

1969
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about here. And and we got

1970
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 1: to have a really I felt like it was an

1971
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: interesting and productive conversation with a couple of hardcore both

1972
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: fishers who love to shoot buffalo and Alec Lackman, this

1973
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: this biologist and and have a dialogue in place that

1974
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: was really more about, Hey, we need to talk to

1975
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: we need to talk about finding a way to manage

1976
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 1: these fish because this is not sustainable. No one's pointing

1977
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 1: anybody out is like you're the bad guy, You're the

1978
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: good guy whatever. In fact, shooting carp out of there

1979
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: might really help these fish. So by all means, don't

1980
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,839
Speaker 1: stop bow fishing, but let's think about how we manage

1981
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 1: these fish because this is not sustainable. But because this

1982
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 1: research is so new, you know how long that stuff

1983
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: takes to filter into actual regulation hasn't gotten there yet.

1984
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: And so my hope is that by maybe making this episode,

1985
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 1: having this conversation, we're getting more people to talk about it.

1986
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 1: The thing that this can't be is it can't be

1987
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 1: a situation where we're pointing the finger at bow fishers

1988
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 1: and saying, you guys are screwing this up, because that's

1989
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 1: not the case. Both fishers aren't the ones that are

1990
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:47,960
Speaker 1: preventing these fish from recruiting. They're just doing what they

1991
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: love to do. And if if we it's just like

1992
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,879
Speaker 1: additive stuff. Yeah, But if we can get that community

1993
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: on board with like, hey, yeah, we do want to

1994
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 1: manage these fish because I want my kids to be

1995
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 1: able to shoot him, that's just a broader coalition of

1996
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: folks trying to figure this problem out instead of factionalizing

1997
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: it and breaking it up. And you're looking at like,

1998
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, the leave the big ones alone type of adage.

1999
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: The old big ones are the successful spawners. Well that's

2000
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 1: literally all that's left. And these big females, these hundred

2001
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 1: year old females, Like you're talking millions of eggs on

2002
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 1: the spawn, so potentially, um, you know, laying off them

2003
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:32,520
Speaker 1: and figuring out what is going to lead to successful

2004
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 1: recruitment could be a relatively fast turnaround too. So it's

2005
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: not like next generation type of thing. Uh. I grew

2006
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 1: up bow fish, and we just like the bow fish.

2007
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: I still both fish now now and then. I do

2008
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 1: think that the thing that kind of like justifies the

2009
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: thing that justifies bow fishing when you're just bow fishing

2010
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: to shoot fish and throw them away, is that you're

2011
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: dealing with a non native, delterious, non native species. So

2012
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 1: it's like shooting carp. You know, Um, if you went

2013
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 1: to any fisheries manager, any serious fisheries manager in the

2014
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 1: country instead, if if you could wave a magic wand

2015
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,520
Speaker 1: and make the common carp vanished from these waters, they

2016
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 1: would all wave it, right, everyone would wave it. You're

2017
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 1: not gonna go find a fisheries manager, a serious fisheries

2018
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 1: manager and say, like, if you could wave a magic

2019
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 1: cart wand and make big mouth buffalo vanished from their

2020
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 1: native range. No one's gonna wave the damn wand so

2021
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 1: I just don't like the same way that when you're

2022
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: bow fishing, you're not allowed to shoot large mouths. You're

2023
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 1: not allowed to shoot yellow perch. You're not allowed to

2024
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: shoot Wally's hypas and W's uh. I don't know, man,

2025
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 1: it's not I don't think it's like blaming that. It's

2026
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: not like blaming them, but it's just like it's like

2027
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:00,000
Speaker 1: a real management oversight. It's like if you're shooting stuff

2028
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: because you want to throw it into a dumpster, shoot

2029
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,880
Speaker 1: something we don't want. But I think I think there's

2030
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 1: an education problem here because a lot of people do

2031
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 1: think they are carp because people call them buffalo carp

2032
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 1: and and those same both fishes we were talking to

2033
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 1: said like, we thought we were doing the lakes of favor.

2034
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 1: We thought we were removing a problem species until this

2035
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: guy Alec came along and told us we were wrong. Yeah,

2036
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 1: but it's not. It is funny too, because you're like, oh, yeah,

2037
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 1: I can see how you know. It's tired to you're

2038
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,600
Speaker 1: really gonna give a kid a ticket for mistaking this

2039
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: fish for a carp But then it's like all the

2040
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 1: other things that we do, right, Uh, you can only

2041
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 1: shoot one hand mallard and they're flying at twenty So

2042
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: are you really gonna give a ticket a ticket for

2043
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 1: shooting too? Yes? Yeah, But then there's all these other

2044
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 1: things in wildlife management, right, Like I've talked to people

2045
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 1: who are pro mountain goat, as pro mountain goat as

2046
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: it could possibly be, and they're like, well, yeah, the

2047
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 1: tag has got to be either sex because you don't

2048
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 1: want some kid not you know, miss identifying uh nanny

2049
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 1: for a billy. I'm like, well, yeah, but it's pretty

2050
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 1: freaking easy to identify it billy if you put yourself

2051
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: in the right situation. Just ask Pete Munich, who made

2052
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:17,680
Speaker 1: the World's Greatest video about how to telling nanny from

2053
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:22,600
Speaker 1: a billy? Great video. Yeah, and uh, and that's always

2054
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 1: just been a stumper for me. I'm like, is it

2055
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 1: that much of a stretch to ask? I mean, they're

2056
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,760
Speaker 1: they're testicle sack is about the size of a cantaloupe,

2057
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 1: and they seem to be real proud of it. On

2058
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 1: the goat thing, there are interesting ways they deal with

2059
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:44,560
Speaker 1: it where um, there's units in Alaska, they give out

2060
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:48,520
Speaker 1: of either sex tag. It's mandatory reporting, so you have

2061
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 1: to report your animal, you have to bring it in

2062
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 1: for reporting. If you shoot a nanny, you don't, uh,

2063
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: you're not eligible for the draw for five years or

2064
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 1: seven years or something. If you shoot a billy, you're

2065
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 1: up to bat next year. That is fantastic. And they

2066
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: haven't made it like, they haven't made it wrong, but

2067
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 1: they've definitely And I'll tell you what. When I hunted

2068
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 1: that unit um that to put it over the edge

2069
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 1: for me their consequences, I was like, man, they really

2070
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 1: really don't want you to shoot a nanny. And then

2071
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,880
Speaker 1: we didn't, and it was that little thing. I'm like

2072
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 1: the fact that that little shame they put into it.

2073
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 1: It's like a little shame with some teeth makes a

2074
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:38,640
Speaker 1: difference now the recreational aspect of Buffalo. Miles and I

2075
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 1: talked about this quite a bit because I was kind

2076
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 1: of laughing, you know, and like, yeah, sure, yeah, you know.

2077
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:50,080
Speaker 1: I if I were in this system and I'd really

2078
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 1: exploited all there is to exploit, I could see how

2079
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:58,160
Speaker 1: I could get really into trying to trick these things consistently.

2080
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm not there yet, you know, but

2081
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: it is really freaking funny to sit there and do

2082
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 1: the color commentary while Miles as fishing as I ass

2083
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 1: off for him, trying to site fishing, all site fishing,

2084
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 1: and we should clarify in the lake these fish again,

2085
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 1: they're older than my grandparents. Like, there's not anything they

2086
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen. They've been shot at with bows, like there's

2087
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 1: nothing that I'm gonna do that they're not gonna notice. Right,

2088
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 1: and these fish will you'll move in. You'll find them

2089
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:29,880
Speaker 1: circling in these shallow bays. I'm like, okay, I've gone.

2090
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I see one count right over there. They can't hear anybody.

2091
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Just start whispering anyway, and I try and make a

2092
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 1: cast and lead them and drop that. They own their

2093
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 1: filter feeders, so you gotta throw small, small stuff at them, right.

2094
02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't fishing a fly rod because I wanted to

2095
02:02:43,400 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 1: be cool. With a fly rod. That was the only

2096
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: way I could get a bait small enough to trick them.

2097
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 1: So they're not they're not going to pick up a

2098
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 1: leaf form no, now, according to I mean, well, I

2099
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 1: won't say no. The stomach analysis is really there's lots

2100
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 1: like micro crustaceans, and then there's these odd ball things

2101
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 1: that Alec can kind of theorize on of like you know,

2102
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 1: his cousin has caught two in the same bay on

2103
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:16,840
Speaker 1: crank baits. Yeah, so every once in a while they

2104
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: will attack something, but but primarily when you're seeing these fish,

2105
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 1: you can watch them because it's clear water. They're just

2106
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 1: cruising through and just like a whale or a whale shark,

2107
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,040
Speaker 1: they're opening their big, wide mouths and they're just sucking

2108
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,480
Speaker 1: in whatever's in front of them and just keep going.

2109
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:32,560
Speaker 1: So they're not going to move to take something. You can't.

2110
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:34,720
Speaker 1: You put a leaf worm out there, but they're not

2111
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,360
Speaker 1: gonna like turn and eat it. You have to get

2112
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 1: something that looks appropriately. You're trying to ran something from

2113
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 1: his face so he can suck it in on accident, correct,

2114
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: But it's not not necessarily on accident, right, you wanted

2115
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:48,720
Speaker 1: to look like a little subaquatic insect the things that

2116
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: they're eating, but he would be to avoid it. Then

2117
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:56,440
Speaker 1: to justin Halett and what would happen. Then I would

2118
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 1: set the hook and it would be game on. But

2119
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:02,640
Speaker 1: didn't in theory, so in the in the lake, I

2120
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 1: don't know what happened in theory, I mean, what would happen. Oh,

2121
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: what would happen is that these fish would see us

2122
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 1: and they go from like happily feeding about a foot

2123
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: under the surface. As soon as they see the boat,

2124
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:16,320
Speaker 1: they dropped down like to six ft and then they

2125
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 1: get not an arrow range, yeah, because you have been

2126
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:25,040
Speaker 1: flinging arrows at them. Are they too far out horizontal distance? Yeah? Sure,

2127
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:28,720
Speaker 1: So they're up at the surface doing that and they're

2128
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 1: like near near they call them, yeah, not sucking mud up.

2129
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 1: They don't have a downturn mouth. Sorry you can say. Actually,

2130
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:39,760
Speaker 1: their mouth, unlike a lot of those fish, actually faces forward.

2131
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 1: It's not a downturn mouth like like not like a

2132
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 1: red like a red horse sucker or a lot of

2133
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:48,840
Speaker 1: those other sarcer species that are are really pouty. It's

2134
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,960
Speaker 1: a forward facing mouth. Yeah. If you if you people

2135
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,760
Speaker 1: out there want to go way back in time, we

2136
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 1: did a meat eater episode many many many years ago,

2137
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. But we did go out night and shoot

2138
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:06,200
Speaker 1: some big mouth buffalo long ago. But in the Wisconsin.

2139
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: What we did do though, was we then chased them

2140
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 1: around on the Mississippi River where they are spawning more

2141
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: successfully and there are more of them, and we we

2142
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 1: hooked up with this other dude who consistently catches them,

2143
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:20,480
Speaker 1: and we did hook a few there, and uh yeah,

2144
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,440
Speaker 1: I still got my ask kicked. I broke, I broke

2145
02:05:23,480 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 1: one off. I straightened the hook out on another one,

2146
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:27,720
Speaker 1: another one just just it didn't stick. It was It

2147
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 1: was maddening, but it was also like I gotta go back.

2148
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm so those fish were more like the so the

2149
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 1: ones in the in the lakes were like fifteen to

2150
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 1: forty pounds. The ones in the river were like five

2151
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: to twelve. So they're smaller fish, huge fish. But you

2152
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:51,040
Speaker 1: see that fly dropped down in front of them, because

2153
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty darn clear, you know, and you watch that,

2154
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 1: uh buffalo would like either just like sink below it

2155
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:03,240
Speaker 1: or just like go to the side of it or whatever.

2156
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:07,640
Speaker 1: And we were laughing. I'm like, yeah, that fish is thinking, Ah,

2157
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 1: i'm quaw hooks. I remember when those came out. I

2158
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:16,120
Speaker 1: had There's a possibility that I might have had one

2159
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:19,520
Speaker 1: eat on that lake or I might have just flussed it.

2160
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: Either way, it hook didn't stick. I can't I can't

2161
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:23,640
Speaker 1: prove it one way or the other. But I had

2162
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:26,800
Speaker 1: one moment of like hope, and by a moment, I

2163
02:06:26,840 --> 02:06:30,680
Speaker 1: mean like a split set. Were you using uh well,

2164
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:32,720
Speaker 1: you were using the trolling motor on toss boat to

2165
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:37,240
Speaker 1: come up on him. Oh yeah, sneaking up and like

2166
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: they know that noise trolling motorate, like one power came

2167
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:49,640
Speaker 1: out some of those Like god, I remember that, those

2168
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,800
Speaker 1: those those old fish just put me man. I cal

2169
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 1: was smarter. He was standing in the back throwing like

2170
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 1: a little jighead and catching everything else while I just

2171
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:03,920
Speaker 1: made a fool a golt minnow, Sir Melie. That wow,

2172
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 1: first time I've ever known a goat minnow. And that

2173
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:11,880
Speaker 1: thing is catches a wide variety of fish very consistently.

2174
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:15,240
Speaker 1: H What tell me a couple of things you did catch? Uh?

2175
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:23,000
Speaker 1: Caught some you know, different panfish species. Caught some croppy bass,

2176
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:30,520
Speaker 1: andy wally dogs. W No, I don't think we have

2177
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 1: a couple of pike. Yeah, um, but it was yeah,

2178
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 1: it was funny like catching those croppy and and so

2179
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:41,120
Speaker 1: the It's one thing I didn't know but makes complete

2180
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 1: sense is those sunfish hybrid eyes. And somebody caught a

2181
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:54,840
Speaker 1: hybrid bluegill readier slighter readier not real weird one that's

2182
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 1: a real weird one. Um, But anyway, it was a big,

2183
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:03,680
Speaker 1: big sunfish, cool looking. So all right, episodes we haven't discussed,

2184
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:07,480
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna skim through them. When we got yeah,

2185
02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:11,720
Speaker 1: I thought a little bit about it. Lake Trout um

2186
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:15,600
Speaker 1: right near my home, so you know, we used to

2187
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:18,280
Speaker 1: catch like you know everybody like go troll quote the

2188
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:22,800
Speaker 1: big lake uh Lake Michigan growing up. And we went

2189
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 1: out with um friend of mine who's a charter captain

2190
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 1: who normally fishes a boat where they put out what

2191
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 1: was he telling me? Seven? They can fish like twenty rods? Yeah,

2192
02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:37,880
Speaker 1: he says, more normal is seventeen to the point where

2193
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 1: they have lines with with using um, I mean the

2194
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:49,040
Speaker 1: fishing down riggers, planning boards, dipsi divers. They're usually fishing

2195
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:52,680
Speaker 1: lines sixty yards out each side of the boat, so

2196
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:58,600
Speaker 1: they're covering one twenty yards of water. What because they

2197
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:01,360
Speaker 1: have an array of like said down riggers straight down.

2198
02:09:02,120 --> 02:09:05,120
Speaker 1: Then the next step out are there running dipsey divers.

2199
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:07,840
Speaker 1: And they sometimes put so much line out that the

2200
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 1: dipsey divers banging the bottom of water. The dipsey diver

2201
02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:15,560
Speaker 1: dredging all the sand is like in waves out there

2202
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 1: and that DIPSI divers hitting the top of all those

2203
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:22,640
Speaker 1: sand waves, and then beyond that you got planer boards one, two,

2204
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:26,680
Speaker 1: and three. So yeah, they got they're running fifteen hooks,

2205
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:30,839
Speaker 1: fifteen lines in a hundred and twenty yard wide swath

2206
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 1: and you can imagine they locate a couple of fish.

2207
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean the thing that like the other boats like

2208
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:40,200
Speaker 1: don't go within a hundred and twenty yards of any

2209
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:44,400
Speaker 1: other boat. Yeah, they're real like cautious about all the boats.

2210
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: But uh so here he is. We were running how

2211
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 1: many were running five covering made about the thirty yards

2212
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 1: swath of water. So he was very frustrated. But still

2213
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:59,040
Speaker 1: he's a lake trout catching machine. We still call a

2214
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 1: lot of fish. Looked like you guys did. We had

2215
02:10:02,080 --> 02:10:04,080
Speaker 1: a great time and that that little boat was fun, man,

2216
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:06,560
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, like when I was a kid,

2217
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, we had a troll. We had like a

2218
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:11,920
Speaker 1: big lake boat which had to be a StarCraft um

2219
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:17,200
Speaker 1: and two to four foot waves. You'd almost kind of

2220
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 1: think about not going four to six. You're like, there's

2221
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 1: no way two to four would suck. Zero to two

2222
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:28,000
Speaker 1: was cool. On the day we went out glass like

2223
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: never happened. Never happens, and it never happens. When you

2224
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:32,520
Speaker 1: plan in a trip six months, you know, it's like

2225
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,240
Speaker 1: it happens, but it doesn't happen. When you're like we

2226
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 1: will fish on June seven, you know, and then like

2227
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 1: you show up on June sevens like like certainly it'll

2228
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:42,560
Speaker 1: be like the worst day of the year, but no

2229
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 1: glass glass. Yeah, that was amazing. I lost five out

2230
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:49,360
Speaker 1: of my seven planned days on Green Bay muskie fishing

2231
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:53,200
Speaker 1: last fall, and I was in a bass boat. Yeah,

2232
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:56,839
Speaker 1: we say Gordon Lifefoot's record, the Evan Fitzgerald. He offers

2233
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 1: a synopsis of all the Great Lakes and he says,

2234
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:03,560
Speaker 1: like Michigan steams like a young man's dreams. It's islands

2235
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:09,760
Speaker 1: and bazar for sportsmen. He was correct. We had a

2236
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 1: great fish and then a very own Danielle Pruett goes

2237
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 1: out with Frank smith Wirst Smethurst and they fish love Smith.

2238
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:20,839
Speaker 1: I wish smith Wirst was here. They catch a variety

2239
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 1: of fish. They're targeting another um fish of ill repute,

2240
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 1: the freshwater dru fresh drone, the sheep's head, another much

2241
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 1: maligned native fish that was a fun one that was

2242
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 1: a really fun episode. And then I talked about oh

2243
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:42,240
Speaker 1: and Yanni did in my home state. In his home state,

2244
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:46,960
Speaker 1: Yannie did the um the fishing trip that elicits eye

2245
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:50,800
Speaker 1: rolls for many people, which is when a thing happens

2246
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:54,640
Speaker 1: in a thing happens in Michigan where you get the

2247
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:58,600
Speaker 1: heckx hatch and they'll cover your garage door. If you

2248
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:01,320
Speaker 1: have like an overhead light above your garage, you'll wake

2249
02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 1: up in the morning and mayflies are covering your garage door.

2250
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 1: There's like local legend of the roads getting so slick

2251
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:11,480
Speaker 1: with mayfly smashed mayflies that cars careen off the road

2252
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:15,040
Speaker 1: and crash. It's a real thing. Bringing out the snowplows

2253
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: to clear him. Yeah, big ass you know, uh, big

2254
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 1: ass mayflies, and ever you'd see him, and ever you

2255
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:23,640
Speaker 1: talk about how sometimes you know, yeah, you gotta snowplow

2256
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 1: of the roads to get the may fid which I

2257
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,560
Speaker 1: never saw happen, but it's like a thing I've heard

2258
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: about it. I always thought that had to be. And

2259
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:32,240
Speaker 1: when you go up to fish the hecks hatch, which

2260
02:12:32,240 --> 02:12:33,960
Speaker 1: we did, you go up and you stay in the

2261
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 1: dark and get mulled by mosquitoes and you listen to

2262
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:41,760
Speaker 1: a fish, not an angle in the dark, and you're like,

2263
02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, cast over that one. It sounded like

2264
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:49,080
Speaker 1: it was that sounded like it was out in the river. Yeah,

2265
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 1: goes and does that fish. So he goes, but he

2266
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:54,440
Speaker 1: went with the dude who actually has success that. It's

2267
02:12:54,440 --> 02:12:56,560
Speaker 1: not the kind of thing that I didn't growing up there.

2268
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:57,920
Speaker 1: It didn't strike me as the kind of thing that

2269
02:12:57,960 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 1: you just went up and did on a whim. It

2270
02:13:01,120 --> 02:13:02,360
Speaker 1: seemed like the kind of thing you've got to kind

2271
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:05,560
Speaker 1: of like study it. Yeah, there's a lot to it. Well,

2272
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 1: I think trying to target any hatch there, there's so

2273
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 1: many factors as to win those those insects hatch and

2274
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:15,200
Speaker 1: when the fish choose to eat them that you gotta

2275
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:17,960
Speaker 1: be really dialed into even give yourself a chance. And

2276
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:21,480
Speaker 1: even then it's a crap shoot. Yeah, Like, but climbing

2277
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:24,200
Speaker 1: down off some bridge, waiting through the mosquitoes and staying

2278
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 1: in the dart down there listening, it's hard to be like, yeah,

2279
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:30,960
Speaker 1: I will stay till one or two. Have you tried, Yeah, yeah,

2280
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:32,879
Speaker 1: I'll say until one or two, I don't know, maybe daybreak.

2281
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:36,960
Speaker 1: Then about eleven you're like, yeah, I'm gold this sucks,

2282
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:42,360
Speaker 1: let's go. I think I heard one. Yeah, yeah, we

2283
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 1: definitely gave Johnnie the short straw on that one. Well

2284
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:47,400
Speaker 1: he winds out with the tanker. I don't want to

2285
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:48,920
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to ruin the st in

2286
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:52,560
Speaker 1: the story. And that's the episodes. Yeah, we got six episodes.

2287
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,080
Speaker 1: I think we got them all. Talk about how they

2288
02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,920
Speaker 1: how they how people can go watch them. These are

2289
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna start. The first one is gonna be available starting

2290
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:04,040
Speaker 1: to They are on the meat Eater YouTube channel or

2291
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:06,240
Speaker 1: you can get there through the website, the mediata dot com.

2292
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,840
Speaker 1: And we're gonna keep releasing them every week, a new

2293
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:12,080
Speaker 1: episode every week till we run out every Sunday at

2294
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:15,320
Speaker 1: I think eleven am, Montana time. So check him out

2295
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:17,920
Speaker 1: whether if you like the first season, definitely check him out.

2296
02:14:17,960 --> 02:14:20,880
Speaker 1: If you didn't see the first season, go back, catch

2297
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:23,800
Speaker 1: up and watch a second season. Doss Boat season two,

2298
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 1: dose Boat. I couldn't call it dosebot because and people

2299
02:14:28,680 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 1: will be able to find it. Yeah, we weren't allowed to.

2300
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,040
Speaker 1: We worked it in there. You worked it. I gotta

2301
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Speaker 1: say you worked it. I didn't come up with it.

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02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,200
Speaker 1: You didn't know should I come up with that? I

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02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 1: don't know who came I think Josh Pristine came up

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02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:41,840
Speaker 1: with comes up with all kinds of funny little sentences. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would make always time. He works best, uh, sub sentence,

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02:14:45,720 --> 02:14:50,840
Speaker 1: he works best shorter than a sentence. He's very good

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02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:53,200
Speaker 1: at when it comes to putting one or two words together.

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Speaker 1: He excels. Not there's anything wrong with his sentences, but

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Speaker 1: he does. Partial sentences is where his sweet spot sits. Yeah,

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02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:05,600
Speaker 1: it's all that marketing background. Yeah, brevity quick two words,

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Speaker 1: one word, two words. That was a good one. That

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Speaker 1: was a good one. All right, Oliver, thanks for coming by.

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Speaker 1: These are having great to have you here. Yeah, you

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02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 1: participated in a bunch of our stuff. Now that's right.

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02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because you're doing awesome things. And uh,

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Speaker 1: real quick, tell people how to go find out about

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02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:24,560
Speaker 1: you if they want to see your stuff. Oh gosh,

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Speaker 1: take pick your poison hopefully met here dot com right

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02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:31,360
Speaker 1: dost boat seasons one and two. Uh, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of me on YouTube, Instagram. What's your handle on social

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Speaker 1: so you can find me on my personal handles. It's

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Speaker 1: just Oliver and Ny it's spelled m g Y. And

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02:15:40,840 --> 02:15:42,120
Speaker 1: then you can look at a bunch of the big

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02:15:42,120 --> 02:15:44,800
Speaker 1: bass stream stuff we've done as well. When people mess

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Speaker 1: up your last name, where do they go with? Oh gosh,

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02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:50,240
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a crap shoot. Just give me one

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02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:54,720
Speaker 1: naggy uh nig nigge new win. I don't know where

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02:15:54,760 --> 02:16:00,600
Speaker 1: to get that wrong, it's n g y. I think

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02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:02,640
Speaker 1: you're underselling them, and like, it's not just you got

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Speaker 1: Big Bass Dreams. There's Big Cod Dreams like you got.

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02:16:05,680 --> 02:16:08,400
Speaker 1: If you're interested in seeing Oliver and his friends catch

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02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:10,600
Speaker 1: giant fish, you can see them do it all over

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02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:13,560
Speaker 1: the world. Big Pike, big murray cod, big baron Mundy.

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Speaker 1: It's YouTube channel where you yeah put fishing stuff. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So the Big Bass Dreams channel has the most of it.

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Speaker 1: And then I launched my own personal channel this year

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Speaker 1: as well. So there's even big Whitep Dreams on their

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Eel Dreams. I mean, if it's if it's catchable,

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Speaker 1: we want the biggest one. I mean that's that's the point, right,

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02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's pretty wild. You and I find

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02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:43,000
Speaker 1: real annoying about travel fishing pages on Instagram. No tell me,

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02:16:43,959 --> 02:16:47,840
Speaker 1: people don't tell you what the freaking species is. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: my PB, my record best, whatever you wanna call. Yeah,

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02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:56,800
Speaker 1: I follow h Rob Allen spear fishing, Yeah, spear fishing Africa.

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02:16:56,959 --> 02:16:59,680
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of the South African company. I'm like,

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02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:01,560
Speaker 1: if you would just start out but tell me what

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02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:05,720
Speaker 1: I am looking at, I would be appreciative. But I'm

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02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:10,160
Speaker 1: just going through Oliver's page here and he does. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, I wonder what that fish has and

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02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:15,680
Speaker 1: he actually says it's spotted baybass, so he's good about it.

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02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:18,119
Speaker 1: It's a total so cawfish there, so there's a who

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Speaker 1: little subculture of that that's cool. He lives in Southern

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02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:24,840
Speaker 1: College's pretty fish. Yeah, super bad ouncer ounced probably the

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Speaker 1: hardest fighting and tenacious fish I've encountered. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things I appreciated, like when you were done in

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Speaker 1: Australia and you were catching all those cool fish, you

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02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't just say what they were, but you dive into

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02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 1: some of the basic biology of those fish and why

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02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:40,119
Speaker 1: they were interesting. And like, I mean, I don't even wrong,

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Speaker 1: I like big fish, but having that extra context of

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Speaker 1: why they're cool just to me augments the experience of

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Speaker 1: seeing it. Yeah, and I'm looking at you right here,

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02:17:47,320 --> 02:17:53,920
Speaker 1: is that a giant snakehead. No, I was looking at

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Speaker 1: the skin of something. It's like as close as it's

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02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:59,200
Speaker 1: a big small mouthballs was looking at the corner of

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Speaker 1: the skin. Yeah, that is a that things so fat.

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Speaker 1: It's not not a real good looking fish. Whole ton

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Speaker 1: of fish up. Don't shame the fish. Sweet. I'm checking

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02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:19,480
Speaker 1: you out online right now and you're sitting right here.

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02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:25,360
Speaker 1: It's like metaphysical alright, guys, Joe guy, I know your

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02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: way over there and wherever the hell get it that

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Speaker 1: you want to add. No, they just it was really

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Speaker 1: fun to be a part of the new dost boat

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02:18:33,400 --> 02:18:36,240
Speaker 1: and awesome trip and I'm I'm really excited for this

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Speaker 1: to come out. Kevin Harlander. Yeah, same, you're so distracted

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02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:42,320
Speaker 1: by wanting to go hunt. Yeah, I know, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: itchy over here. Um, they actually let me be a part.

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Speaker 1: That was a fun trip. Oliver is great to fish

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Speaker 1: with you and and uh see that intensity. Man, it

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Speaker 1: was awesome. So looking forward to seeing what comes of it.

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Speaker 1: If it's not too late, I'm gonna have If it's

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02:18:54,560 --> 02:18:55,840
Speaker 1: not too late, I'm gonna get in there and try

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02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:56,960
Speaker 1: to have a beat that you catch a couple of

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Speaker 1: blue Yeah, yeah, I get that edit in there, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have scour. I'm gonna have to scour the footage

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02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:06,520
Speaker 1: and I'll tackle on it. Oliver, you and I need

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Speaker 1: to fish together, man, We need to make that happen. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it later today. We shall, alright, guys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone,