Speaker 1: M hm m h.
Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke. Day two Las Vegas in
Speaker 2: season tournament. Yesterday we had a good day. Today we
Speaker 2: started off with a good one. We was just talking
Speaker 2: before camera, like I was thinking, like, where the fuck
Speaker 2: do this dude go?
Speaker 1: Like he was ooping somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you got a Google like where's the markets?
Speaker 1: Jeff somewhat to death.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, Bary, your resume, man, seven
Speaker 2: time All Star, five time All NBA, over twenty thousand
Speaker 2: career points, number three scoring Blazer history, number one rebounder,
Speaker 2: and then again, you kind of could just step away.
Speaker 2: But I also learned you you're doing some ambassador work
Speaker 2: with the NBA, taking trips around the world and getting
Speaker 2: to speak and host camps, but also enjoy the process.
Speaker 2: So what's life after basketball been like for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, like your first year, it's like you confused.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's next? I want to stay hope, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you wake up like I'm
Speaker 1: lost a little bit. So I think for me it
Speaker 1: was more like, shit, let's figure this shit out. Let's
Speaker 1: kind of like move around. NBA hit me up, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: Like my personality is more like I want you know,
Speaker 1: I'm more chill. They were like, well, just do one trip,
Speaker 1: you'd be good to go. So I did Spain and man,
Speaker 1: that shit was dope. Man went over there and shit
Speaker 1: on the beach and you know, like the vibe is crazy.
Speaker 1: So did that one trip and then now man, I
Speaker 1: just be doing that. So it's like traveling the world,
Speaker 1: going to like different places and just talking to people,
Speaker 1: hosting camps and stuff. Explain your the end of your career.
Speaker 1: So you stopped playing using as fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you stopped playing, came back, played, stopped and retired.
Speaker 2: Explain the process and obviously we're supposed to get to
Speaker 2: it later, but I just kind of want to open
Speaker 2: up with it because we had a friend here who
Speaker 2: was here but not here. It had a similar heart
Speaker 2: condition that you had, and I was literally with him
Speaker 2: when he died on the court, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And he was able to come back to life. So
Speaker 2: obviously we know how serious it is. But break down
Speaker 2: kind of the end of your career.
Speaker 1: So did Bonzie as well. Shit, So obviously I was
Speaker 1: diagnosed with it in two thousand and six. I was drafted,
Speaker 1: passed out in the game, so then they take me
Speaker 1: to the hospital. I found out I had it, had
Speaker 1: like two or three procedures done, so I went a
Speaker 1: minute with no issues, signed with the Spurs. This one
Speaker 1: was kind of quiet. It came out, but it was
Speaker 1: more like the you know, more quiet. It came back again,
Speaker 1: so then they said I was out in definitely. Like
Speaker 1: so when you came back, like you passed out, you
Speaker 1: just for filling it. Yeah, like you pass out. It's
Speaker 1: kind of weird, and it's like it's kind of like
Speaker 1: Cash twenty two because it's like as you get in
Speaker 1: better shape, symptoms get worse, which don't make sense right
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to work out to get better. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, so my shaken slow down too
Speaker 1: too much, like when I'm out the rhythm and I
Speaker 1: can pass out. So you know, as you're get in
Speaker 1: better shape, you should go slower and slower, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I was passing out, so I
Speaker 1: was in camp, had a little issues. Then we got
Speaker 1: that fake So then fast forward to the end. I
Speaker 1: got the vaccine. Played the one game in Chicago felt
Speaker 1: terrible like when heart rate was like racing. It was
Speaker 1: going too slow, like it was just off. So then
Speaker 1: I went home that night and then we had it
Speaker 1: back to back with the Lakers, So then I played again,
Speaker 1: and like the whole thing with my heart is like
Speaker 1: if I'm in the if I'm out of rhythm, I'm
Speaker 1: about to pass out. If you run, your shit's supposed
Speaker 1: to straighten up, so then you're good to go. It
Speaker 1: was the first time I was running and my stuff
Speaker 1: wouldn't straighten up. It was still going slow. It was
Speaker 1: it was like weird to be yeah, like you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be like one hundred and something, you know, beats,
Speaker 1: and you had like sixty and like how is it
Speaker 1: even possible? So like I just didn't feel right. So
Speaker 1: I go home that night laying down and like my
Speaker 1: ship was getting so slow. I just kept passing out
Speaker 1: over and over. I'm like, I'm more chill, and I
Speaker 1: grew up poor, so it's like kind of like gott
Speaker 1: to figure some shot on your own. So I was like,
Speaker 1: just just just get through the night and I'll be good.
Speaker 1: So the whole night I'm laying there thinking I'm about
Speaker 1: to die. So then I called a train to like
Speaker 1: six am. I can't take it no more. Go to
Speaker 1: the hospital, like they checked me out and then I
Speaker 1: kind of get out of the rhythm and like they
Speaker 1: don't keep me in the hospital or whatever. So then
Speaker 1: like for me, I was shook because I had just
Speaker 1: signed with Brooklyn. I didn't trust there, not trust. I
Speaker 1: didn't know their training staff, I didn't know their doctors.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I gotta go home and like
Speaker 1: figure the shit out. So I go home to my doctor.
Speaker 1: He was like, I wouldn't risk it, Like was that
Speaker 1: the first time actors told you? Yeah, every other doctor
Speaker 1: was like you're good, You're good, You're good. And he
Speaker 1: was like, I've studied you when you were here for
Speaker 1: five years and I've never seen you do this shit.
Speaker 1: So he was like, you got kids, man, Like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't risk So the team is telling me you're gonna
Speaker 1: be good, which we all know how that shit go.
Speaker 1: Not not not talking that on anybody. Yeah yeah. So
Speaker 1: I go to him, man, we have more of like
Speaker 1: a you know, real bond exactly. So he's like, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't risk it, bro, Like I've never seen this happen
Speaker 1: to you before. You've been there five years. So the
Speaker 1: teams called him and call him and call him, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like listening to him. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to be that that
Speaker 1: dude that has a patch and then you don't think
Speaker 1: about it no more, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm done. So I
Speaker 1: called him and I'm like crying. So then I retire,
Speaker 1: and like it goes crazy or whatever. I kind of
Speaker 1: like duck off and high like you like normal. And
Speaker 1: then so then my doctor hit me up like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you really want to try this again, let's spend
Speaker 1: the whole summer putting you through every test I can
Speaker 1: put you through running you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: lose word. So this is the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: You retire, and you go through the whole season, and
Speaker 2: that next that that following summer, the doctor hits you again.
Speaker 1: I retired towards the end, if you remember, because that's
Speaker 1: when Kadie needed to shot from a team and I said,
Speaker 1: if I was there, man, that's my chance to want
Speaker 1: to ring because he needed because you know, nobody could
Speaker 1: make a shot that game, and that's what I do.
Speaker 1: So that's when I retired towards the end when they
Speaker 1: were playing again Shine, you know, and it was on
Speaker 1: the exactly. So I was sick because I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is my opportunity and they don't come off and y'all know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I go home to that and then that that
Speaker 1: following summer. So were you still kind of around the
Speaker 1: team or you were at home at this time? Now,
Speaker 1: I went home as soon as it happened, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny. I packed all my set up and
Speaker 1: like I got on a jet and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. So I didn't have to go
Speaker 1: back and get nothing, cause I was just like I
Speaker 1: don't want to die, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I went home and you know, handled that ship. You know,
Speaker 1: Mom's all shook, and feel everybody's blowing me out. So anyway,
Speaker 1: he hit me up that summer. It was like, if
Speaker 1: you really want to play again, like let's do it
Speaker 1: the right way. That's spend the next two to three
Speaker 1: months putting you through every test and then let's go
Speaker 1: back in you know, you know, through your groun and
Speaker 1: like let's look at your heart and then make sure
Speaker 1: everything looks right. So I said all right, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: So I did every test possible, you know, I passed
Speaker 1: all of him, and he was like, even if this
Speaker 1: happened again, I'm confident that you won't die. Obviously you
Speaker 1: can't say one hundred percent, but I think from what
Speaker 1: everything I've looked at like you would be good to go.
Speaker 1: So I went through the whole summer, got approved, had
Speaker 1: to go through the NBA to It was a long
Speaker 1: gas process, brocause you know, at the NBA they don't
Speaker 1: want you to die either, obviously, but they with that liability.
Speaker 1: So then they put me through a whole another ringer
Speaker 1: of like shit, ten twelve tests, passed all that shit.
Speaker 1: So then it was like, okay, now where do you
Speaker 1: want to go? Like I'm back clear to play. And
Speaker 1: then I had the option of Bosson or Brooklyn, and
Speaker 1: I'm like with shouts. With Brooklyn, that shit was love
Speaker 1: like easy shots with Kevin, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like James, you know, hit me with the lots. So
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm gonna go back there and then
Speaker 1: it's just a whole different scene. That's what. Everything just
Speaker 1: blew the fuck up.
Speaker 2: You go back there, finish out how how many games.
Speaker 2: Do you play that season?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't even remember, bro, that was a frustrating season. Shit,
Speaker 1: maybe like twenty five thirty because then Claxton, who starts down,
Speaker 1: started to play really good. So then they kind of
Speaker 1: put me to the back burner a little bit because
Speaker 1: I couldn't switch. Could switch. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into this ship. I could switch. You just gotta you know,
Speaker 1: like somebody behind you. Yes, anyway, but anyway, So then
Speaker 1: I didn't really play towards the end, and then that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: Damn So how many years when it's all said, sixteen
Speaker 2: you made that choice?
Speaker 1: Bro, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, like your whole life, this
Speaker 2: is what you want to do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And to get this early on and be able to
Speaker 2: fight through it and still do what you do, accomplish
Speaker 2: what you accomplished, and then at the end having someone
Speaker 2: tell you like I don't know, but you still have
Speaker 2: that fire burning and wanting to play, and then he
Speaker 2: kind of gets your hopes down like okay, maybe you're right,
Speaker 2: and then he starts your fire again like let's go
Speaker 2: through all this testing and then you go back and
Speaker 2: then the Brooklyn nets explode you know what I mean
Speaker 2: if that team, that's arguably one of the most disappointing
Speaker 2: teams that ever came together when you think about the
Speaker 2: top three guys and then also having someone like you.
Speaker 1: But what I mean on top of that, I mean, on.
Speaker 2: Paper that team was incredible, but the fact that nothing
Speaker 2: ever kind of came from it. And to hear your
Speaker 2: point of view now and what that championship, you know
Speaker 2: that could have happened.
Speaker 1: Jan don't step under Kyrie feet. It's a whole different boda.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the play.
Speaker 2: But speaking of that, but you were on the Spurs
Speaker 2: Golden State when Zaza got koh, right, that was.
Speaker 1: My first chance to really get around. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: were rolling that game, fucking rolling like up like twenty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's half rolling. He go down and that shit. That
Speaker 1: shit turned quick too. It's hard, bro, Let's never get
Speaker 1: back to that point.
Speaker 2: But but but I mean, obviously that's just the basketball side.
Speaker 2: You're dealing with the life side on top of trying
Speaker 2: to get what everyone's trying to get on the basketball
Speaker 2: side too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you came in in the mid two thousands up
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty, and you've seen a lot of the game,
Speaker 1: which you think the state of the game is right now.
Speaker 1: I'm confused, man, because I feel like the money is
Speaker 1: going up and up because the fans want to see
Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. But I came in
Speaker 1: when it was a physical ass game. You had to
Speaker 1: earn everything z Bo and Rashi. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Tim was, Yeah, you got all these guys, you had
Speaker 1: to go get it. And it's like now you can't
Speaker 1: really touch anybody. So I'm not mad that it's getting
Speaker 1: where it's getting, but I'm just confused though. If I like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like the style of play
Speaker 1: at times, like everybody's shooting three, he's just running up
Speaker 1: and down. I like when you had to Like I
Speaker 1: love Denver because like he's touching the fucking ball every time,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what we got. I think
Speaker 1: if he can win two or three more championship and
Speaker 1: shift back there you go, that's what we need. Steph
Speaker 1: messed it up, Steph changed the ship. We need somebody
Speaker 1: else dominant down load to like bring it back. Guards
Speaker 1: don't even post up no more, man, That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: and I came in in that era. I watched y'all
Speaker 1: and everybody in that era, so it's like that's how
Speaker 1: I'm trained to think. It's like one motherfucker's down low.
Speaker 1: Now you got everybody on the perimeter. So it's just
Speaker 1: different for me to process you. You walk in this
Speaker 1: game right now, you young la, what you average? Sure
Speaker 1: in this game you can't be touched. I think high
Speaker 1: close to thirties. Yeah, not even be an area, like
Speaker 1: you can't touch me every time average mid twenties and
Speaker 1: bumping exactly if you can't touch me, I'm shooting all day.
Speaker 1: So close to thirty for sure. I would say more
Speaker 1: because you got guys, you know guys getting triple do
Speaker 1: was in the first half, Like it's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1: It's more fifty point games right now every season than
Speaker 1: any time in the NBA.
Speaker 2: And people averaging anytime, bro, and people averaging above thirty.
Speaker 1: You right, eight multiple people used to get fifty. Everybody
Speaker 1: like he got fifty. Damn he was bothering.
Speaker 2: Noway eighties all the time another day now, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's no knocking player.
Speaker 1: Skills and no skill levels about it.
Speaker 2: It's a different type of defense and attention and points
Speaker 2: of emphasis for the league.
Speaker 1: You know, the league wants to see scoring.
Speaker 2: Like if you think about it, to me, it makes
Speaker 2: sense because you know, obviously I coach my kids and
Speaker 2: they're coming up in this new generation. But if you're
Speaker 2: thinking about it from a fans perspective, I don't really
Speaker 2: want to see if I'm just a fan an eighty
Speaker 2: nine to ninety two game, because now a lot of
Speaker 2: people just watch highlights, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: to see the score of eighty nine ninety two, you're like, like,
Speaker 2: what happened? But then you see these one thirties to
Speaker 2: one twenty seven with hell of threes and dunks, and
Speaker 2: then that's what continues to grow the game. But if
Speaker 2: when you come from our era, it's just like we
Speaker 2: all hung some defense, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: you were someone that did on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: So it's just like it's a little bit of but
Speaker 2: like you said, you understand where it's going. It's just
Speaker 2: not the same ship we grew up in. It just
Speaker 2: don't feel the same. I want to ask y'all, do
Speaker 2: y'all feel like next ten years the league's on a
Speaker 2: transition to more like European players than American players, they're
Speaker 2: already doing that because the game doesn't change so much.
Speaker 1: It's more to them now. But it's not. It's tailored
Speaker 1: to them. But the motherfucker's just better than our players. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's just they just get smarter. They coming over here
Speaker 1: and dominate as soon as they get it. They just better.
Speaker 1: Luca make it look too easy. I went to the
Speaker 1: game in Dallas where he was hitting the jump hook
Speaker 1: three for Bro. They just better, Bro. For some reason,
Speaker 1: they just better. Yeah, who's the best player in the
Speaker 1: world of you right now? I gotta say, because I
Speaker 1: mean he just won, and I mean he didn't want
Speaker 1: an MVP, but we all know how they go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Bro, like everybody watched social media, the man didn't
Speaker 1: shoot a basketball all summer. Bro, And he came back
Speaker 1: and and he like dominating, Like come on, like we
Speaker 1: in the gym all summer, just like getting that ship ready.
Speaker 1: This dude can't touch the basketball doing sure that he's
Speaker 1: that good or the NBA that different, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but but Bro, we watched him like he raced horses summer,
Speaker 1: brod it was traveling party and he came back and
Speaker 1: they want like their first with ten games or something.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't think it's it's probably
Speaker 1: three guys in the league that actually make him work.
Speaker 1: Like you have to worry about it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like and be somebody like that Rudy Gobe,
Speaker 1: somebody that actually can give him problems. But most of
Speaker 1: his night's are easy nights. Yeah, that's crazy. And he's
Speaker 1: doing it in ten different ways. Threes, pump fakes, post ups, runners,
Speaker 1: mellow jumpers, same leg floaters. Like bro, watching his game
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy to see that the big man
Speaker 1: position has evolved that much, which I like.
Speaker 2: I wonder if we'll ever see And this is no
Speaker 2: knock on his game because he's at the top right now,
Speaker 2: but I see like a dedicated something to like body
Speaker 2: and game.
Speaker 1: He did it that once. I remember when he came
Speaker 1: back skinny and like didn't play good right the way back, yo,
Speaker 1: Like so Luca running up Lucas looked the same, the
Speaker 1: same bro, so pretty much yokud just like a PG
Speaker 1: version of John Daly. Go be you, bro, and go
Speaker 1: be great. Fact, you know what I mean? He like Zebo, Like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: People didn't need to go run off sower, but you
Speaker 1: gonna bust your ass all touch exactly. You made a
Speaker 1: killing from the mill ranger for your career, as I said,
Speaker 1: earlier started shooting threes late close to forty percent. Do
Speaker 1: you regret not shooting threes earlier career? Ye, I'm I
Speaker 1: do because that near range is money. But as I said, though,
Speaker 1: the game wasn't like that. So for me, like the
Speaker 1: coaches were telling me to do it, but like I'm
Speaker 1: a big history guy, like bigs didn't do that. Like KG,
Speaker 1: I watched him. He didn't shoot threes only if you
Speaker 1: had to ten. Wasn't shooting three post. The other one
Speaker 1: that did was she, but she was really high level
Speaker 1: with the ship, you know what I'm saying, both hands.
Speaker 1: So it's like most most of the guys I tried
Speaker 1: to watch and like pat of my game after like
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. So it was a hard transition
Speaker 1: for me. And then like you said, like my mid
Speaker 1: range was so easy, so I'm like take this three
Speaker 1: or take one step in and like make that shit
Speaker 1: like out of ten times. Yeah, so I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: that shit out day. So for me, it was just
Speaker 1: hard to like retrain my STLF to do that, but
Speaker 1: I do wish I would have done it though you
Speaker 1: just said that, I'm I'm gonna stick up to that question.
Speaker 1: Who you patted the game? I give Rick Barnes a
Speaker 1: lot of credit because, like he brought me in like
Speaker 1: the room one day and he was like, who do
Speaker 1: you want to who do you want to be? And
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, I don't know, Like I like
Speaker 1: a lot of you know what I'm saying, hoopers or whatever.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, let's sit here and let's pick
Speaker 1: three players and then let's try to see what you
Speaker 1: want from each player. I had never asked nobody to like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like think like this. Like
Speaker 1: so I was all right, So I was like I
Speaker 1: want kg's fade away. He's like okay. And I was
Speaker 1: like I want Tims like face up, get to the middle.
Speaker 1: He's like okay, He's like like one more person. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, I feel like she's high releases, unblockable.
Speaker 1: He's like, so, okay, so you want those three things.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah. He's like okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: the gym and get it. So then look at my game.
Speaker 1: I went meddle like toim played it away like KG
Speaker 1: and that's just like it seemed too simple. But like
Speaker 1: he sat down with me and we did that ship
Speaker 1: and that shit worked. That's cud of sense now you
Speaker 1: say it like that. So he asked me that question,
Speaker 1: but then he also backed that ship up. So I
Speaker 1: give Rick credit, Like we did that ship, and then
Speaker 1: he would be like, anytime you want to get in
Speaker 1: the gym, called me. So I'd be like, twelve thirty.
Speaker 1: You know you're in college. You ain't going to sleep, Rick,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the gym. Twelve thirty. He had my
Speaker 1: doorm picking me up. And when you need gym too,
Speaker 1: I ain't never had nobody to do that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I give him a lot of
Speaker 1: my credit because he sent me down and like had
Speaker 1: a plan and see your freshman year. Yeah, I never
Speaker 1: had him like do that. And then when he gave
Speaker 1: me that, so like I try to tell kids now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I got twenty thousand points and I
Speaker 1: had three moves, you know what I'm saying. And it
Speaker 1: was like Kobe said he had two moves. It's simple.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about the breakdown the science,
Speaker 2: that's just a shit.
Speaker 1: Look at my arm man, Kobe Man, Yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: was in the shure there like like, what would you
Speaker 1: tell Victor. I was like, he's so skilled. I would
Speaker 1: just break his shit down and be like, get a
Speaker 1: movie that if it's fourth quarter, you're gonna go to it,
Speaker 1: get a movie if it's first quarter. Like my shit
Speaker 1: was always my fate beginning of the game, end of
Speaker 1: the game, And I was like, it helps you stop
Speaker 1: thinking so fucking much like end of the game, like
Speaker 1: you too skilled, You're trying to think do I want
Speaker 1: to do this? To do that and do this? Like
Speaker 1: get one move where it's like I don't care who's
Speaker 1: guarding you, you know what I'm saying. And I was like,
Speaker 1: then build off that shit. But I feel like he's
Speaker 1: so skilled, he's like got eighteen different moves in his head,
Speaker 1: and he's playing too fast right now, so I'm just like,
Speaker 1: slow yourself down and get two moves to go.
Speaker 2: To I love hearing this shit because I wouldn't that
Speaker 2: kind of scored. So to hear the science of it
Speaker 2: and how you break it down, that shit is dope
Speaker 2: when you simplify it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's very simplified if you work on what you're supposed
Speaker 2: to work on exactly, like Kobe was like, I would
Speaker 2: always talk to him during the game.
Speaker 1: I'm alway getting me. But Bro, I would talk to
Speaker 1: him during the game. He always say like I stole
Speaker 1: his fade. Awey. I'm like, Bro, this is just what
Speaker 1: I watched. Y'all old heads, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: But man, it's good. Get a move where it's if
Speaker 1: it's first quarter, fourth quarter, last five seconds, first five seconds,
Speaker 1: like you can get that bitch off any time, and
Speaker 1: they get I car into that. So I was going
Speaker 1: middle ninety a percent of the time, middle cut off.
Speaker 1: I'm fading away like that's simple. And then I'm shooting
Speaker 1: way up here and it's so high when you can't
Speaker 1: get to it, like it's a simple game. I mean,
Speaker 1: we was able to do Kobe last interview. Since she's
Speaker 1: talking about him, what do you mean to you? Man?
Speaker 1: Have you hit her? Bro? Every time we talk about
Speaker 1: his touch. Man, his impact was crazy. Bro. I lived
Speaker 1: in Newport for five years, so I had my kids
Speaker 1: by myself, man, and he would like play with my
Speaker 1: kids and like take good care of me, man, and Bro,
Speaker 1: he was just different, crazy, different far as like he
Speaker 1: made you better, like you playing the Clippers, no offense
Speaker 1: to anybody. You going out bro having a good time.
Speaker 1: But if you got Kobe, Bro, I'm chilling like that's
Speaker 1: gonna have me on my egg game tomorrow. So he
Speaker 1: made you better without even knowing he making you better.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm playing the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I got Kobe, like I'm locked in. But if it's
Speaker 1: the Clippers or you know what I'm saying, like you're
Speaker 1: going somewhere else. You know what I'm saying, like you
Speaker 1: out in the streets. But he always like talked to
Speaker 1: me like I was in Newport Bro. He always took
Speaker 1: care of me and was just be like, I see
Speaker 1: you always working like he always acknowledged me when the
Speaker 1: league didn't. And then just the coldest shit I've ever experienced.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he has something to do
Speaker 1: with it. My first chance to make the All Star Game,
Speaker 1: I didn't because Kevin Love had that crazy year where
Speaker 1: they they lost every game, but he had thirty games, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty and thirty games, so his stats was stupid. But
Speaker 1: I should have made the game because like my team
Speaker 1: was like number seven in the West, and like I
Speaker 1: was balling that year, I didn't make it. I saw Kobe.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't worry about it. That just keep doing you.
Speaker 1: So then the next year I ball again and they
Speaker 1: announced it right before we go play the Lakers. I
Speaker 1: ain't never seen this, and y'all can tell me if
Speaker 1: y'all have. So we playing at Lakers and then like
Speaker 1: I just got announced and like we were, you know,
Speaker 1: in the locker room or whatever whatever game they go,
Speaker 1: they get to my name and they say NB it
Speaker 1: for the first time. I all start LaMarcus Algiers on
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: Bro, they announced it announced, Yeah, and you had just
Speaker 2: found out before that, so it had to be him, bro, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was that stables.
Speaker 1: It had to be Bro. I ain't never heard that
Speaker 1: before for sure, Bro, it had to be him. Bro.
Speaker 2: Did you guys get a chance to train together in
Speaker 2: New Porter? You just kind of see each other in passing.
Speaker 1: So it was crazy we never trained together because he
Speaker 1: was always so busy, Bro, Like he'd be moving like
Speaker 1: that little red red Drover be moving. Bro. But nah,
Speaker 1: So what was cold is so like I had my
Speaker 1: boys and I would train him every morning so it
Speaker 1: was like that that little wreck in Newport's like one
Speaker 1: wreck that's like.
Speaker 2: Off the freeway. Yeah, we went out there and trade
Speaker 2: my kids. He trade my twins in that little rec center.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was in the same one. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to train my boys every morning. So I want
Speaker 1: to do like six or seven. They're like, Kobe got it.
Speaker 1: So I'll get that ship right after him because I
Speaker 1: want to you know what I'm saying. I want to
Speaker 1: get there early and like watching them or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I always saw him in past and when when when
Speaker 1: you know he was trying to gig or whatever. So, Bro,
Speaker 1: I saw him all the time, like, chop it up. Bro,
Speaker 1: he was just he was the right.
Speaker 2: People don't know how cool and down to earth is
Speaker 2: if he fucked with you, he really.
Speaker 1: It was crazy because it's like as Hoopers, you know,
Speaker 1: how to understand him on the court and off the court.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's competitive, so he gonna come up as
Speaker 1: a dick on the court, that's just Covid and Coke.
Speaker 1: But off the court, Bro, he was one of the
Speaker 1: best people you could ever meet. Bro. He wouldn't let
Speaker 1: a lot of people see that side. My first time
Speaker 1: in Newport. I just bought my crib. I'm at dinner
Speaker 1: and I saw Cold and we were cool. But you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm more chill, like I can go over to
Speaker 1: his table and be like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I see him, but I'm you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't gonna say ship. So he come to my tail
Speaker 1: like what's up, rook. And I was in the league
Speaker 1: like five six years by that point, so like, you know,
Speaker 1: like just talk to me for a minute or whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: So then at the end of the night, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm about to pay, it's already passed. He looked over
Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, you're good. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like like this ship like that like out and about
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like this a good dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got me crying on the show. Then, yeah, Broo,
Speaker 1: it happened to us too. Being a Texas boy growing up,
Speaker 1: I watched Tom Pender's and BJ Tyling, Terrence Richard, Reggie
Speaker 1: Freeman all the play we all want to go to Texas,
Speaker 1: end up playing in Texas. Talk about you growing up
Speaker 1: and ended up at U T Bro I growing up, bro,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Carolina because of MJ. I'm
Speaker 1: a big but you know, best best best player in
Speaker 1: the world. You don't care what position he is. You
Speaker 1: want to you know at the park. I'm I'm MJ,
Speaker 1: not Tim, you know what I'm saying. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to go to Carolina bro So I was growing up
Speaker 1: and like a dope story is like I grew up
Speaker 1: and I was like in the streets and I was
Speaker 1: like headed the wrong direction, so that my mom was
Speaker 1: going to send me to the school with my cousin,
Speaker 1: which was in Pleasant Grove in the hood. I was
Speaker 1: probably gonna go to the wrong direction. But then I
Speaker 1: ended up going to Cigareville High School, which is like
Speaker 1: a little country ass town. So then the high school
Speaker 1: coach came to my house in the summer and like
Speaker 1: I'm from the hood, so like you ain't coming in
Speaker 1: the house the first time you meeted it. So it's
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven degrees and he on my posch
Speaker 1: talking to my mom and he's sweating. He ain't letting
Speaker 1: them in no, so he two hours like bring your
Speaker 1: son to my school. Like I'm gonna get him right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I'm saying, Like get him
Speaker 1: out the streets. But whatever whatever. So then I'm like,
Speaker 1: please don't like I'm begging, Like she don't believe this. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to go there, like it's
Speaker 1: a wax school. Ain't nobody that you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Corny asked, So I don't want to go to That's
Speaker 1: long story short, she said, are you going there? So
Speaker 1: I'm like fuck. So I go to Sigaville High School.
Speaker 1: First day he bring me in. He was like, I've
Speaker 1: heard about the things that you do and how you
Speaker 1: are and how you move. Like he ain't saying like that.
Speaker 1: You know, he owned the cat, so he just but
Speaker 1: that's me translating that. He's like, if you give me
Speaker 1: one year of you not doing the things that you do,
Speaker 1: then I promise you, like I'll get you to college.
Speaker 1: And no one had ever even mentioned college for me,
Speaker 1: like I was different. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll buy in. So he's like, what school you want
Speaker 1: to go to? And I'm like, shit, Carolina. So he's like,
Speaker 1: give me one year where you don't smoke weed everyone
Speaker 1: before school, where you don't go still you don't do this,
Speaker 1: and I promise you like, you're gonna be good. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, allright, fuck it, are you freshman year? Because
Speaker 1: my eighth grade I don't I don't. I don't remember
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth grade. I was so high, like I
Speaker 1: smoked every morning, Like, bro, I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 1: to school with high. It's a kite welcome. So he
Speaker 1: was like, well, it's cool to me. I never guess,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense though, go ahead. So he mean,
Speaker 1: he was like, stop all that ship. Give me one
Speaker 1: year where you locking in and you get in the gym,
Speaker 1: and I promise you you'll get a letter from Carolina.
Speaker 1: Half of it I'm thinking this cap. But half is like,
Speaker 1: no one's ever believed in me either, So fuck it?
Speaker 1: Why not roll with him? Long story short. I get
Speaker 1: in the gym, I started smoking, I'm all the time
Speaker 1: for class, blah blah blah. End of the year. I
Speaker 1: balled out too. I had twenty seven sixteen versus Bot
Speaker 1: because me and Bosh was in the same district and
Speaker 1: his school was cold as a motherfucker, so I ball
Speaker 1: against him. It was iked igo. I ball against Icy.
Speaker 1: Ike was nice, brong. Yeah, I ball against so long.
Speaker 1: Stay was short. I go against all the heavy hitters
Speaker 1: and I hold my own end of the year. They
Speaker 1: be like, yo, he real. So then I get the
Speaker 1: first letter of my life was from Carolina, like you
Speaker 1: on our radar, that was your first letter. First letter, say,
Speaker 1: in my room, I had a picture of MJ in
Speaker 1: the frame. I put that bitch right in the frame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the rest was history. Like then smoke no more
Speaker 1: after that in the gym all day, like taking class seriously, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: if he never came into my life and I told
Speaker 1: him I got into the Texas Hall of Fame like
Speaker 1: like four or five years ago. I told the story
Speaker 1: about him, and I was like, I was headed down
Speaker 1: to the wrong path. I wanted to go to the
Speaker 1: hood school where I can still smoke, I can see
Speaker 1: my cousin, you know what I'm saying. Like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to go where it was gonna be easy. If he
Speaker 1: didn't come to my house and spend two hours in
Speaker 1: the hot ass sign in Texas As you know it's
Speaker 1: as admitted. No, wait, he's sweating. Bro. He had a
Speaker 1: wig like a little wig. Bro, it's melting. Bro. It
Speaker 1: was like b but he didn't waiver, Bro. He like
Speaker 1: he stood on it and I was in like a
Speaker 1: little trailer home in the trailer park. There was two
Speaker 1: bad roomors me, my mom, and my brother, like one
Speaker 1: little ass bro and he was at the door for
Speaker 1: a minute. He talked us through that ship and I
Speaker 1: was like, Bro, if I didn't have him do that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what if I would, did you stop
Speaker 1: using cannabis from there on out or not? Just more strategically,
Speaker 1: He's I was in I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that was kind of my next
Speaker 2: I mean, we were guys that smoked throughout, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't We wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1: We wasn't promoting it.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying someone that did medicated throughout your career
Speaker 2: as well and kind of found ways to get around it.
Speaker 1: And now I want to promote it either for the
Speaker 1: young fellas, like I want the young fellas to do
Speaker 1: what they felt it is good for them, and parents
Speaker 1: saying I'm pushing you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I got kids too, so what did it do?
Speaker 2: But But to me, what did it do for you?
Speaker 2: Because like I said, we random story. You know, I
Speaker 2: was in the finals with go in the state and
Speaker 2: he's still playing we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah. Man. First of all, I said, I
Speaker 1: was in Oregon, so the ship was right there, bro,
Speaker 1: And you're coming off the tail end of the jail
Speaker 1: Blazers too. Yeah, so that's where I was gonna go.
Speaker 1: Like I had a I won't I won't out anybody,
Speaker 1: but I had two vets to have me over and Bro,
Speaker 1: it was like yeah, so I did. Yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: especially when I was in Portland, like got my old
Speaker 1: connected and found your way around it and and to me,
Speaker 1: like I said, like, we not. Well, I can't speak
Speaker 1: for that one. And it seems like you're on the
Speaker 1: same page. But you saw a successful career. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about getting high and no, no, no, it was what
Speaker 1: it did for you. It helped you relax, It helped
Speaker 1: you sleep, it helped pain. It did a lot of
Speaker 1: different things.
Speaker 2: And I think everyone gets the stigma of you're smoking
Speaker 2: to get super but sometimes I do just want to
Speaker 2: get super hot. But it also does during the season,
Speaker 2: it does a lot of I'm not a big drink
Speaker 2: ground and be popping those pills.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do nothing else. So it's the unwined too.
Speaker 1: After the game, the decompression word I came in when
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all remember this, A lot of
Speaker 1: fans won't know. This ship is when toward Doll was
Speaker 1: like shit, so you took that ship and you go
Speaker 1: run to a fucking wall when that ship wore out, man,
Speaker 1: fucking knees. You know what I'm saying that, So then
Speaker 1: when you light one up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like that should happy to sleep because that stomach bro
Speaker 1: I got a toward off story.
Speaker 2: So Clippers second round versus San Antonio first round or
Speaker 2: second round?
Speaker 1: Maybe we first round.
Speaker 2: We knocked them on the first round the year they
Speaker 2: won the chance and coming off the championship, I run
Speaker 2: into a Dwight Howard screen before the playoffs and completely
Speaker 2: fucked my right shoulder up, like so bad that I
Speaker 2: can't lift it at all going right into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, either you can sit out or
Speaker 2: we can give you some toward off, Like what's it?
Speaker 2: And I remember hearing toward all because one of my
Speaker 2: homeboys in USC used too much and it fucked his
Speaker 2: liver up, but he had to retire from the Patriots exactly,
Speaker 2: So I'm like, shit, I'll give it a try. So
Speaker 2: when I tell you, they shot me in my ass
Speaker 2: with this toward all like an hour before or and
Speaker 2: I was super bad all around garden Kawhi, just fine.
Speaker 1: Jumping, dunk and shooting. But when I didn't have it.
Speaker 2: So the funny part is so I always had a
Speaker 2: pregame ritual where I'd go pee before the game, like
Speaker 2: right before they do the announcements, before they did the
Speaker 2: starting lineup, I'd run back out there.
Speaker 1: This time, I'm going out. I'm going in there.
Speaker 2: I'm about to pee, and I fart in the tourter.
Speaker 2: I like I wet farted myself. Bro shorted, sharded bro.
Speaker 2: Three minutes on the clock. So I have to take
Speaker 2: this bro. I have to take my tights off, ball
Speaker 2: them up, throw them away at the bottom of the
Speaker 2: garvage and no one can find up going my bag,
Speaker 2: didn't have no more run to the back the house.
Speaker 1: The fucking equipment man's out there.
Speaker 2: I have to break in this bag and get some
Speaker 2: new tys and put all this ship on. Missed my
Speaker 2: missed the starting lineup, call bos out there for the
Speaker 2: tip of the game.
Speaker 1: Shower. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't murder. I felt
Speaker 1: sorry for had. I had to wear some toilet paper.
Speaker 1: I got a towel and wipe.
Speaker 2: You got all that in the bottom, and then I did.
Speaker 2: I had tape on still take a playoff basketball games.
Speaker 2: But I saw that that tourtoll the motherfucker the stomach.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So I was superhuman. I'm kind of happy
Speaker 2: that they stopped using it. I kept using that ship.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I was taking it so much that in
Speaker 1: practices I couldn't even run into people, because like I
Speaker 1: was used to just running the people, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was so sore, like my ship was so fucked up,
Speaker 1: and brothers, yeah, yeah, I had. I had surgery on
Speaker 1: this one too, But I was so like fucked up
Speaker 1: when I didn't take it that I couldn't even practice right.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even run into people. It was just hurt.
Speaker 1: So I was like, bro, this ship is too good
Speaker 1: almost when you take it exactly to the next season,
Speaker 1: I think the NBA banded and then they went to
Speaker 1: I celebrated, and then that's what they do now. Based
Speaker 1: don't ship. Nah, you were from the worst like the
Speaker 1: best ship to the worst ship, like like eight of
Speaker 1: them bitches and you still don't feeling in size up
Speaker 1: the number two pick six to Chicago, immediately traded to Portland.
Speaker 2: Uh went one, Adam Morrison, three tires, Thomas Ford, Sheldon Williams.
Speaker 1: Five. Damn, I'm looking at that. I know you like
Speaker 1: boy Brandon Roy six. God damn, So you land you
Speaker 1: end up landing with b Roy your rookie year.
Speaker 2: B Roy gets off to a good start, there's not
Speaker 2: really too many people in front of him. You get
Speaker 2: there and there's Zebo. You know, everyone knows what kind
Speaker 2: of motherfucker he was. So what was the beginning of
Speaker 2: your Blazer journey? Your NBA journey?
Speaker 1: Like each step was like nobody really believed, but like
Speaker 1: it took one person to believe in me because like
Speaker 1: I remember when I got drafted, Steven was like he
Speaker 1: could have won twenty. He ain't gonna beat you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, bro, Like, let me
Speaker 1: live a little bit, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I just got you, Like, Bro, I went from broke
Speaker 1: to pay, like, let me at least have a night
Speaker 1: to like, let me get a jumper up. Goddamn bro.
Speaker 1: So and then I remember hearing like, bro, I'm big
Speaker 1: on like motivation ship, which I look back at my career.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's good and bad to take negative and
Speaker 1: make him to like a you know, I'm sound like
Speaker 1: motivation because like you spend your life looking at negative
Speaker 1: shit too much. But anyway, I get there, and I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that the like one of the gms is like, well,
Speaker 1: he's the project, like we think he can be this,
Speaker 1: but we're not sure. I'm like, damn a project at
Speaker 1: number two that's kind of fucked up, Like you gotta
Speaker 1: believe in me at number two. So I a bet
Speaker 1: so I get there. Like day one, they were like,
Speaker 1: b Roy's I guy, he's gonna play, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: him touches like some eleaks all about him, all about him.
Speaker 1: So I was like, fuck, I ain't really got a
Speaker 1: chance to really try to shine because like they want
Speaker 1: him and grant that motherfucker was cold, like I ain't
Speaker 1: taking shit from he was cold, so that I really
Speaker 1: didn't have an opportunity to really like try to shine
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I do give credit to Zebo that
Speaker 1: nigga woo my ass in practice so much that I
Speaker 1: learned how to get more physical. I learned how to
Speaker 1: use my body. I learned so much from him in
Speaker 1: practice because his thing was like this motherfucker trying to
Speaker 1: take my spot straight up. So it's like every practice,
Speaker 1: I'm on your ass, boy.
Speaker 2: So it was like, and this is back when the
Speaker 2: stars were practicing in practice, two hour practice.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't know, yeah, like you come in that bit,
Speaker 1: You're about to get it. So it was like practices
Speaker 1: was like battles with him. And I feel like I
Speaker 1: grew so much from playing against him in prize because
Speaker 1: he was like, oh my ass, and I started to
Speaker 1: get better and better. So it wasn't really much opportunity
Speaker 1: at first. And I remember I played one game with
Speaker 1: Zebo and I killed. Like my first game was against Dallas,
Speaker 1: which was kind of kind of cool for me because
Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas and I played good and shit. And
Speaker 1: now I remember we had Ray for the Friends. He
Speaker 1: had just signed a sixty So then Nate pulled me
Speaker 1: in the office and he was like, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: know you played good or whatever, but we got Ray
Speaker 1: for the France making sixty million, so we got to
Speaker 1: play him over you. I'm like, like, what's the goal here?
Speaker 1: To win? Or just to play motherfuckers because they got
Speaker 1: money or was I not just pick number two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So then so then I was back even more. So
Speaker 1: we got Raife playing and he on the bench saying like,
Speaker 1: I'm over this shit so rayful, I don't want to play.
Speaker 1: I want to play. So then I'm like fuck it.
Speaker 1: So as long as they was sharp. We get to
Speaker 1: the end of the season. I had been playing off
Speaker 1: and on and Zebo he had broke his rich dumors
Speaker 1: like some shit, like the last thirty games. So then
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, z Bo's out, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: start now. And I fucking balled the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: I think I was like eighteen and like eight or
Speaker 1: whatever the rest of the season. So that summer they
Speaker 1: call and there it was Nate. He was like, do
Speaker 1: you want to be my starting power for next I
Speaker 1: was like, hell, yeah, I want to start next year.
Speaker 1: He was all right, well, we're going to trade z
Speaker 1: Bo next night Draft night they had traded Zebra the Clippers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that's how I got my opportunity to like
Speaker 1: really start to plays. Because if you don't get hurt, bro,
Speaker 1: I might not even get the opportunity to really so
Speaker 1: like who I am? But he got hurt. Then I
Speaker 1: got the last twenty five games like be me, and
Speaker 1: then after that was good. So what was your could
Speaker 1: you hear different things?
Speaker 2: And obviously unless you're there, you don't know, and you
Speaker 2: know sometimes it even may look different to you now
Speaker 2: that you've been removed for so many years. But what
Speaker 2: was your in b Roy's chemistry relationship?
Speaker 1: Was there one? Was there one early on? Or yeah? No,
Speaker 1: it was all good, bro, Like I never had any
Speaker 1: any ill will towards him, and like, you know, like
Speaker 1: same way. It's just the competitiveness, yeah, and like not
Speaker 1: trying to make excuses. So you got two alpha us
Speaker 1: and you're young, it's hard to learn how to be
Speaker 1: Like I always called it Batman and Robin, Like it's
Speaker 1: hard to be Robin when you want to be Batman
Speaker 1: and you're both young. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: have the talent to be Batman. Yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: like a little tough for me in the beginning. But nah,
Speaker 1: but he was cool with it, you know, like he
Speaker 1: just did this thing or whatever, and like I was
Speaker 1: kind of like always wanted more opportunity. I never really
Speaker 1: got it. But now like we had no no issues,
Speaker 1: Like we kicked it like that's when like you go
Speaker 1: kick it in the club together, you know, go out
Speaker 1: to eat together. It wasn't forced like to that, like
Speaker 1: they forced the ship. But back then it was like,
Speaker 1: let's just get out. We heard a story.
Speaker 2: We don't know if it's true that you guys had
Speaker 2: a Nike commercial shoot where you guys had like a
Speaker 2: long kind of like conversation, hard to heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After that, Yeah, okay, you know it, we're doing our research.
Speaker 2: You know who's a commercial? It was Greats right whose
Speaker 2: commercial was?
Speaker 1: It was Lebron, So that ship was already a battle
Speaker 1: for the beginning. I think it was le Brun a couple.
Speaker 1: I think it was Lebrun and they want us to
Speaker 1: be in it or whatever. And I mean at that
Speaker 1: time be Row was shaid at one point it was
Speaker 1: like Kobe and him, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like so he was like, man, I shouldn't do this shit,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm on the
Speaker 1: same level as these motherfuckers, and like I respected it,
Speaker 1: like I said, I gotta do it. I ain't there yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. For me, I want any
Speaker 1: type of pub I can get right now. So he
Speaker 1: was like, he ain't want to do it, but I
Speaker 1: think now he talked him into it. So then we
Speaker 1: go down and we're in the trailer waiting for whoever
Speaker 1: was whoever it was, and then it was like the
Speaker 1: person was late to the shoot, so that we had
Speaker 1: an extra two hours in the trailer. So we both
Speaker 1: getting hot. So then yo, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: find coming ground or whatever. So we started talking and
Speaker 1: then the person didn't do the shoots and then we
Speaker 1: had anohing. So the long story shot, we in the
Speaker 1: trailer flight four or five hours and we ain't did shit,
Speaker 1: and you know, at that time you both kind of hot.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we ended up talking like hey, like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like let's try to fix shit
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever. But it was never no issue. It
Speaker 1: was like, how can we try to be better for
Speaker 1: each other exactly like trying to and that type shit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we did do that. I want to backtrack
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: When you get your your your first health scare, it's
Speaker 2: right around the time the following you're if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: your mom was diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, O seven around that. Yeah, okay, what was that?
Speaker 2: Like, I was, you know, that's how me and him
Speaker 2: became brothers, you know, I mean we had that we
Speaker 2: Believe season in O seven and November first, the beginning
Speaker 2: of the next next season, my mom was diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 2: Died November twenty seven, so twenty six days, like I
Speaker 2: found out and she was gone. And what was your
Speaker 2: experience like with that? On top of your health scared?
Speaker 2: Now you gotta worry about your mom as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she man, she was. I mean, I say great now,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of fucked up. But she didn't
Speaker 1: really tell me how bad it was, because you know
Speaker 1: how it is when you're in season and when you
Speaker 1: really practicing back in the day, like you tired, so
Speaker 1: you go fucking battle, You're gonna take a fucking nap
Speaker 1: for two hours after that shit. So I would talk
Speaker 1: to her in the morning and I'll face you know
Speaker 1: back then, back then it wasn't no FaceTime. I don't
Speaker 1: think it might have been, I don't know, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I would talk to her and then she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like she was good or whatever whatever, But
Speaker 1: then she wasn't like she was really like going going
Speaker 1: through it, like, so it was tough for me to
Speaker 1: kind of focus on ball and all myself. But she
Speaker 1: was really good about like putting it back on me,
Speaker 1: like I'm good, I'm good, just for about yourself. But
Speaker 1: she would be having some rough ast days, but they
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell me, you know what I'm saying. So then
Speaker 1: I didn't find out too after she beat it that
Speaker 1: it was really worse than when I knew because I
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I'm in Poortland and that's just four hours away,
Speaker 1: and she don't want to put that burden on you exactly,
Speaker 1: like that exactly. So I get clear and I'm back playing.
Speaker 1: But then she's still going through her going through chemo
Speaker 1: and having terrible days. I mean, you know the drill.
Speaker 1: So she's going through that and like I'm just hearing
Speaker 1: that she's getting better, but they was like she couldn't eat,
Speaker 1: she's throwing up, she fell down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was tough because I didn't really
Speaker 1: know what was going on. But you know, she's a
Speaker 1: mom and she wants to protect her son, so she
Speaker 1: kept shit from it. But it was tough. Man. Like
Speaker 1: I remember we played in Dallas and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm starting now. So she was like, I'm now no
Speaker 1: matter what. I'm like, Nah, you got cancer, you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you fighting going through
Speaker 1: chemo and kee takes everything range and you know you're
Speaker 1: real susceptible to getting sick. So that's why they said
Speaker 1: that she shouldn't go. She would not let me like, Bro,
Speaker 1: she was there. I bought her court she's courtseyed with
Speaker 1: a mask, and I'm like, you shouldn't be here. But
Speaker 1: I bought that obviously I had to. I balled out
Speaker 1: and she was there. But then bro, after it's what
Speaker 1: she didn't tell me is like, Bro, she got crazy.
Speaker 1: So she had like a major setback because she got
Speaker 1: sick after that ship, so she shouldn't have went, and
Speaker 1: she didn't tell me, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it was like she was being strong, you know, like
Speaker 1: for me, for her, but that she was tough. Bro.
Speaker 1: We had Andre Miller too, and that motherfucker's are dog too.
Speaker 1: I love playing with him. Always one of the smartest
Speaker 1: motherfuckers you will ever play with. Two miles get anywhere
Speaker 1: on the court. I have a story for him next.
Speaker 1: But so then it's like we got him. So every
Speaker 1: time we were healthy, I would be on the trade
Speaker 1: block because it was like, well we really kind of
Speaker 1: need them, but we don't and we can go get us,
Speaker 1: you know, like a three in the guy for him
Speaker 1: because he's like good. But then Greg gets hurt, then
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we need you come back, and then
Speaker 1: I would, you know, get the ball more. They would
Speaker 1: play through me more so, Bro, it's like you need me,
Speaker 1: you don't want me, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: like that shit was a lot to deal with. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you want me to even when we got everybody healthy,
Speaker 1: like just put me in like that that lamar odham
Speaker 1: ro Like that's what I'm saying, Like just play through
Speaker 1: me every now and then, because like that motherfucker was
Speaker 1: cold and he wasn't Kobe or none of them motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: but they needed them, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like put me in that row. But they never did.
Speaker 1: It was always like when we were healthy, they didn't
Speaker 1: need me, you know what I'm saying. So that was tough,
Speaker 1: but not Greg was a monster. Bro. I never seen
Speaker 1: nobody dominate like that. Like so easily.
Speaker 2: It was crazy speak to be Roy's game though, you
Speaker 2: know he was someone else that that maybe one of
Speaker 2: the top five top ten with IFS type player. But
Speaker 2: he was out the gates too. E would have gut
Speaker 2: hurt bro out the gates. He was tough.
Speaker 1: Shit was too easy for him, like playing with that
Speaker 1: like playing with that nigga was it was too easy.
Speaker 1: Like I remember the the thing that stands out to
Speaker 1: me was like the fucking o Toronto game. Grand motherfucker
Speaker 1: went up and he changed hands on wash and went
Speaker 1: to the left in the air and like b it
Speaker 1: was just he got in the gym andy work but
Speaker 1: the shit was just but he couldn't work too much
Speaker 1: cause of his knees. So it was like he found
Speaker 1: the balance, bro. But like he would come in the
Speaker 1: game that sho would be too easy for him, like
Speaker 1: coach the motherfucking I remember him going there with Kobe
Speaker 1: and Kobe giving him the respect kind of like Dame
Speaker 1: did too, and got you know, got the same thing.
Speaker 1: But I remember him and Kobe going at it, and
Speaker 1: I remember after the game like Kobe was like he
Speaker 1: got no weakness and Kobe said about you, that's that's real.
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody win that Cob like like b
Speaker 1: roying bro it they went at it went edit, they
Speaker 1: weren't at it, bro. So to see them s to
Speaker 1: see Cob, who we all had up here, and see
Speaker 1: them go neck and neck like that, that show was
Speaker 1: time and be holding his own holding his own. Bro
Speaker 1: we going to LA and getting wins cause this motherfucker's
Speaker 1: carrying us and like it was fun to watch too,
Speaker 1: for sure, cause he was he was on that shit
Speaker 1: like mm, he's buzzing. People asked for sure, what clicked,
Speaker 1: uh year two you went from you went to eighteen
Speaker 1: and eight airs in eighteen eight? What clicked to you too?
Speaker 1: Opportunity That's all it is, opportunity belief Because I was like,
Speaker 1: as I said, I battled with Zebo. If I can
Speaker 1: battle with this motherfucker every day, all your other niggas
Speaker 1: ya got jo food? Yeah, ain't got a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like Zebo stamped me a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he would ever he did tell me like
Speaker 1: later in his career, but now he stammed me like
Speaker 1: he was like, bro, you're real like to have somebody
Speaker 1: of that caliber, like say, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like he called me. He was like, bro, they gonna
Speaker 1: trade me, but I would love to play with you
Speaker 1: because you're good, you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: like to have the battle with him and then have
Speaker 1: him really like stamp me like that, like that was cool,
Speaker 1: but nah, it was just opportunity, belief and then just
Speaker 1: having Zebo get me better that whole first year of
Speaker 1: like battling with him, and I just felt like in
Speaker 1: my mind it was like these motherfuckers then told me
Speaker 1: how I'm a project. I ain't good, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I got everybody's list in my room.
Speaker 1: My motherfuckers just said I can't do this, and like
Speaker 1: it's time of like pretty motherfucker's wrong. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was more about either you're gonna show them that
Speaker 1: you are good or you know what I'm saying, or
Speaker 1: you gonna prove them right. So for me, it was
Speaker 1: just about proving everybody wrong. So I was just ready
Speaker 1: to just have my opportunity to just do that. You
Speaker 1: played in the area where it was it was a
Speaker 1: dominant four man era, real force. I'm gonna say some
Speaker 1: names and you tell him this first thing come to
Speaker 1: your mind, KG shit talking, but fade away, shit talking dirt,
Speaker 1: one leg, fade away all day. Tim Duncan fundamentals, Chris
Speaker 1: Bosh left hand. I'm gonna getting to that left. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you one who I'm high on. I always
Speaker 1: talk about Antoine jameson forward. Motherfucker scooping bro Bro first
Speaker 1: impossible to go, first time had guard on him, I was,
Speaker 1: I was shoot. I was like, he's like like he's
Speaker 1: all balanced, but he's not, and he's like leaning this
Speaker 1: way and the ship scooping under your arms, like he
Speaker 1: was tough, bro, and like nobody had ever talked to
Speaker 1: m talking about him like he was fucking cold. Twenty
Speaker 1: thousand points scored. That's crazy. I'm a right hand and
Speaker 1: with dunk o your ass. Every time we have some
Speaker 1: good battles. We had some great battles. I think that
Speaker 1: when I was with Brooklyn and talked about it, we
Speaker 1: had some great battles. But if you get that right
Speaker 1: here in half a step is over you in the
Speaker 1: fucking basket. Yeah, every time ten strong, strong, somebody you
Speaker 1: real familiar with Zebo fucking physical and it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: jump high as a fucking napkin. Like but gonna bust
Speaker 1: your ass. If he smelled blood, are you dead? You're done?
Speaker 1: If he smelled blood, are you done? He used to
Speaker 1: try to motherfucking murder Blake. Every Jezy guy.
Speaker 2: Had to fight Zebo a couple playoffs and hard fouls
Speaker 2: just to take up for Blake, Like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put my life on the line for you.
Speaker 1: It is crazy because.
Speaker 2: He would try to destroy Blake, get him on the
Speaker 2: ground and hard elbow one or do some wrestling ship
Speaker 2: undergrounded ship was hilarious, the battles they had.
Speaker 1: And when I said I was kicking it with you,
Speaker 1: said she. But it was z Boy and Duse. It
Speaker 1: was rotatious. Brother, You go open up for us a
Speaker 1: little bit. We all done now. Yeah, yeahs is a
Speaker 1: real one too, man Like, I can't brother them like
Speaker 1: they They were good to me. Like I know, it
Speaker 1: was like the whole jail Blazers type, but they were
Speaker 1: good to me, man like.
Speaker 2: They even though those quote unquote, but those teams fucked
Speaker 2: with each other. It was just the outside media to
Speaker 2: put this stigma on that team.
Speaker 1: They were good to me. It was teams that was
Speaker 1: winning that wish. They had the camaraderie chemistry. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that nine ten eleven first round exs Houston, Phoenix,
Speaker 1: and Dallas. We had Dirk on the show and Dirk
Speaker 1: said that the year they won the championship, the hardest shit,
Speaker 1: the hardest series was against you. It's series against you,
Speaker 1: which think what was the struggle? Don't have not having
Speaker 1: the right pieces? A little bit of coaching? Yeah, who
Speaker 1: was the coach at the time, Nate. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: coaching because I'm not here, like yeah, yeah, yeah, my
Speaker 1: whole thing and it ain't about being scared. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to look over there. Just look over there,
Speaker 1: you just look at it. That's yeah. My whole thing
Speaker 1: is like I'm trying to spread pot. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I get you, But a little bit of coaching,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't make adjustments, bro, Like they would do
Speaker 1: something that bust ass and we would keep going the
Speaker 1: same way. Well you know, like what's the what's the
Speaker 1: definition of insanity? Like doing the same shit over and over?
Speaker 1: So but we never adjusted. I feel like maybe those
Speaker 1: teams are you know, like they were like more more
Speaker 1: seasoned than us because the Houston team, I think they
Speaker 1: had y'all and run or just run our test. I
Speaker 1: think that that teams is the one that beat us
Speaker 1: and I remember running balled out? Is that the series
Speaker 1: where you had, like that was the one that was
Speaker 1: James Harden series? That was James, but it was against
Speaker 1: the Rockets. Yeah, that's fifty back to back and something
Speaker 1: like that. Bro every I never realized that series made me.
Speaker 1: I guess so known, bro, Bro everywhere I go like
Speaker 1: that Houston series, I'm like, damn, But I played so
Speaker 1: many other games, Like that's the one you were, Bro,
Speaker 1: Those back to back games? Yeah was special. Yeah that
Speaker 1: was special. But that's the one that put me on
Speaker 1: the map. But no, that was the runout test team
Speaker 1: and like him and be roight about it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then the Phoenix teams. Man, it was just Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve Nash just fucking tore, Like he just broke us apart. Bro.
Speaker 1: He would just pick us apart in the pick and
Speaker 1: roll and we didn't go out to pick and roll, right,
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 2: Just he just killed us. Dan First All Star Team
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Best memory of that game that West Sauad
Speaker 2: was Cod kd Russ, Dirk, Steve Nash, the name a few.
Speaker 2: What was your findest memory about your first experience.
Speaker 1: Just being in the brotherhood finally just fucking being stamped,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, being stamped and like finally
Speaker 1: being there and then but the biggest part for me
Speaker 1: was like the players who were there, like, man, you
Speaker 1: should have been here. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: when the motherfuckers expect from your peers is more than anything.
Speaker 1: So like when for them to tell him, like, man,
Speaker 1: you should have been here, like that was even It's
Speaker 1: like like that was cool too. But I think just
Speaker 1: finally being in the club of you're like, damn, I
Speaker 1: made it, you know, I've been knocking on the door
Speaker 1: for like two years or whatever, and I'm finally here.
Speaker 1: And to have all those guys kind of like said
Speaker 1: I should have been there, Like that was dopeh.
Speaker 2: The fucking year Dame mid major point guard not really
Speaker 2: lla kind of hype at the beginning, you know, expectations
Speaker 2: are kind of unknown. When did you realize that that
Speaker 2: dame had some game.
Speaker 1: Ship right away? That motherfucker came in and he was him?
Speaker 1: But I I did ever, And I think he says
Speaker 1: on an interview and y'all could check it in fact
Speaker 1: check whatever y'all want to do. But he said, he's like,
Speaker 1: I never try to like stifle him though, you know
Speaker 1: how you got older vets and a big like don't
Speaker 1: do it like nah, like be you, bro, because we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be good until you figure this shit out.
Speaker 1: So I never told him like not to take a
Speaker 1: you know, long gas free like before he was making
Speaker 1: them ships like you do now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I never tried to stifle the process of him
Speaker 1: like himself. But he was good right away man, like
Speaker 1: in that series, like you said, when I was killing,
Speaker 1: I think he had back to back thirty and then
Speaker 1: he ended up making that crazy shot to win it.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was like I knew right away
Speaker 1: he was good, and I felt like I just wanted
Speaker 1: him to try to figure it out as soon as
Speaker 1: possible so we can start trying to win again. But no,
Speaker 1: he came in confident, as everybody know, like he's never
Speaker 1: lacked confidence and he always believed in his ability, so
Speaker 1: it was like him just figuring it out. And he
Speaker 1: had a game against Kobe too where he played well too,
Speaker 1: And I feel like Kobe kind of stamped him a
Speaker 1: little bit early too. So I feel like day one,
Speaker 1: like he came in like ready to go.
Speaker 2: How long do you feel like it took you guys
Speaker 2: to kind of get on the same page or find
Speaker 2: your chemistry or your rhythm together. I think it took
Speaker 2: effort on both both sides because I played with Dre,
Speaker 2: and Dre is like the ball will be in your
Speaker 2: hands like perfect, like go to the rim that'shits like
Speaker 2: above the room, like you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, He's got to tap that motherfucker. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: went from that to like Dane was learning how to
Speaker 1: like play with a dynamic big, a dominant bigs. Like
Speaker 1: the passes were like more bounce passes and Dre was
Speaker 1: more of a chess pass so he would bounce that
Speaker 1: motherfucker high or to come you know, like hardware to
Speaker 1: come up high to you like that shit matter on
Speaker 1: your shot if you can just get that ship and really,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so exactly, So long long
Speaker 1: story short. I went home that summer and like I
Speaker 1: worked with coach Caleb who was with us, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to do bounced passes all summer
Speaker 1: because that's what they didn't gonna throw. So let me
Speaker 1: get used to this ship so he can do his
Speaker 1: normal pass and then I can catch that shit and
Speaker 1: I can, you know, I can cash out. So I
Speaker 1: spent the whole summer just working on bounce passes for him,
Speaker 1: and I feel like he started to try to work
Speaker 1: on his ship too, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: how to read my post ups? And so I think
Speaker 1: both sides just kind of put the effort in. I
Speaker 1: think that next season after that, we just kind of
Speaker 1: took off free agency hitting twenty fifteen season and Spurs
Speaker 1: were calling him. What do you remember about getting there
Speaker 1: with Tim? And Pop? Was e MA instrumental in that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got because he was one of you.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say vests, but he was older than
Speaker 2: you on the Portland team initially, So you guys developed
Speaker 2: up friendship there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like right away, he's solid, that's my dog. He
Speaker 1: takes me, I say, tell me course. But that whole
Speaker 1: process was tough because everybody thought I went into it
Speaker 1: going straight to the Spurs, and I was like the
Speaker 1: real true story I don't know I've ever said on camera,
Speaker 1: is like I was in l a. I had a
Speaker 1: condo I was in. I was gonna buy that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: After I signed, Like I told my agent, I said,
Speaker 1: the Lakers, this is theirs to lose. So I went
Speaker 1: into that She's like, this is there fifteen who was
Speaker 1: on that team? That was yeah, a bunch of young yeah,
Speaker 1: like young kids or whatever. So that I had my
Speaker 1: first meeting with Lakers didn't go well, Like I don't like,
Speaker 1: no knock against them, but they didn't do research.
Speaker 2: Who was still was it Jim Buss still at the
Speaker 2: at the controls of the team at that time.
Speaker 1: I met Jennie Oh Jim Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met
Speaker 1: with her. Now, she was great. It wasn't her. It
Speaker 1: was the son. The miscalculation of me as a person
Speaker 1: like your son because the son was missing anything. It
Speaker 1: was like nah, it was just like they were like
Speaker 1: I walk into the meeting, they were like, you're you're
Speaker 1: trending on Twitter and like if y'all y'all don't know
Speaker 1: me that well, but I don't give a funk about
Speaker 1: trending on Twitter. So as you like, I'm getting to
Speaker 1: the point of your questions. Like I go from that
Speaker 1: meeting of like they miscalculated me as a person to
Speaker 1: the Spurs know who I am. So it's like a
Speaker 1: family just like this, we kicking it. We eating, were
Speaker 1: talking Tim, you know what I'm saying, my new Pop
Speaker 1: and we just kicking it like this, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: this is who I am. So the vibe of understanding
Speaker 1: who I was as a person was just they get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So initially your heart was in La and then you
Speaker 2: found comfort in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Realness, yeah for sure. And then Phoenix did well because
Speaker 1: of Earl was with me in Portland, so he knew
Speaker 1: me too, So they came with the same shit of
Speaker 1: like he about family and like getting you know what
Speaker 1: I'm sense Like that shit was kind of good too,
Speaker 1: So it ended up coming down to Phoenix and uh,
Speaker 1: San Antonio. It's funny you say that because this same
Speaker 1: type of setting was the same way Timm and Pop
Speaker 1: got me. And they told me that I was start
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I was about to start playing,
Speaker 1: and just out the blue after practice on the road,
Speaker 1: call you in the room. They both sitting like this
Speaker 1: like you're in trouble. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That's what you think I'm doing all the wrong ship.
Speaker 1: At that time, I just feel guilty. I don't know
Speaker 1: I'm guilty. Yeah, but that's how they do it though. Man.
Speaker 1: They come together and make decisions. It's family, bro. So
Speaker 1: it's like I want. I went from an organization that
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out how to have that and
Speaker 1: hadn't figured it out. I went to organization that figured
Speaker 1: that ship out to a t and they gave it
Speaker 1: to me. They were like, we understand you have kids
Speaker 1: and you have family. Like Portland never offered my kids
Speaker 1: to come on the plane. He was like, whenever your
Speaker 1: kids don't get on the plane, just bring on the plane. Man. Like.
Speaker 1: So he he understood me and what they did, and
Speaker 1: like that's what I wanted. So my kids are on
Speaker 1: the plane, going on the road trips and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: a lot the little ship like that much, bro, because
Speaker 1: when you when you going all the time, you can
Speaker 1: take your kids on the plane like that ship helps.
Speaker 1: They can experience it and they going back to school
Speaker 1: like I was on the Spurs place. Yeah about you,
Speaker 1: it's crazy right. Yeah. Might be one of the first
Speaker 1: coaches that started that too, because they was doing that
Speaker 1: back in the whole three.
Speaker 2: That's just remember that's how they got they kept, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because remember that's how Doc fucked up the ship in
Speaker 2: Orlando with Tim going to Orlando exactly playing exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did hear it. I made that exception.
Speaker 1: It was a great exception. Yeah, your first year there,
Speaker 1: y'all won sixty one games, sixty six seven six seven games,
Speaker 1: number one defense, number four offense, of course, and that
Speaker 1: in that system, having you into Tim Duncan with Manu
Speaker 1: and Kawhi, you know, of course y'all gonna win sixty
Speaker 1: seventy games. But I was like playing along Tim and
Speaker 1: having that core and being in that championship environment with
Speaker 1: that team. Shit was easy, bro, That shit easy with
Speaker 1: that ship. It felt easy. You know, we grinded. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is your job is bro, And then
Speaker 1: you look up, You up thirty? What the fuck like?
Speaker 1: So then that's what hurts in the end. I will
Speaker 1: jump I won't jump forward too far. But now it
Speaker 1: was it was easy, bro. Like it was like you
Speaker 1: do your job, you play your role, and you up
Speaker 1: thirty and you're like, what the fuck? Like, Like I
Speaker 1: ain't playing fourth quarter, It's like thirty, Like fifteen games
Speaker 1: in a row. You know what I'm saying, I ain't
Speaker 1: playing fourth quarter, and like we ain't practicing because you
Speaker 1: winning in fifteen in a row, lose, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like we ain't really practicing like that.
Speaker 1: So that's why I had to learn my own balance.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you had to of like going back
Speaker 1: on your own or like getting your shit on your own. Yes,
Speaker 1: keeping yourself shut, because the last thing he wants is
Speaker 1: somebody getting hurt in practice. He hate that somebody go
Speaker 1: down with a fake and stop done. Everybody out of here, bro,
Speaker 1: every day, God damn PB. Like, so you got to
Speaker 1: find your own balance of how to keep your shit
Speaker 1: sharp because like that was my one downfall my first year.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, shit, I'm going on and you go
Speaker 1: home too many times, like ya should get weak. So
Speaker 1: I start going back on my own, like shooting on
Speaker 1: my own, shooting on my own. But nah, bro, it
Speaker 1: was I was like for sure, like we're gonna win
Speaker 1: that shit. But then we ran into KD and OKC
Speaker 1: round two and like I balled out the first game
Speaker 1: and then they came and we had him done, like
Speaker 1: by thirty the second game, I think they came back
Speaker 1: and won. But the issue was we were older. I
Speaker 1: wasn't old, but we were like mostly older, and we
Speaker 1: never got pushed, like we never got ourselves in like
Speaker 1: playoff shape. So it's like we never got tested, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying in our regular season, so it
Speaker 1: was like we weren't playing the fourth quarter. So when you
Speaker 1: get into your first real match, it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: like we we ain't really in shape for this shit.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't no knock against Pop or anybody. It
Speaker 1: was just like you gotta find that balance of how
Speaker 1: do I push my guys, but I don't want nobody
Speaker 1: getting hurt either. Then we're like really fucking good. So
Speaker 1: it's like how do you do this shit? So in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like we we ran into okay, see young
Speaker 1: Bulls ready to go energetic, and we kind of fizzled
Speaker 1: out and then like they had more energy and they
Speaker 1: got three one. Yeah, we was up too old, and
Speaker 1: they came back and beat us both straight in fourteen
Speaker 1: with San Antonio, they just they just was different than
Speaker 1: Bulls Bro. So it was different. It was we had
Speaker 1: them like the first game, we smacked the shit it
Speaker 1: was so easy. But I feel like we had David
Speaker 1: West and he hadn't played a lot that season, but
Speaker 1: then after he got tired, like Tim got tired. I
Speaker 1: even got a little tired because we had never been
Speaker 1: pushed enough to be in like playoff shape, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, year two in San Antonio, Tim retires. You guys
Speaker 2: get pole sixty, wins uh Western Conference to get Golden State.
Speaker 2: Kevin and Steph Kawhi goes down. What's kind of the
Speaker 2: thought going into that series with you guys, Shit, it's
Speaker 2: our time?
Speaker 1: Like we had played the well all season. We went
Speaker 1: there game one of the season, it was T and
Speaker 1: T and we won, and we have to left that
Speaker 1: bitch like if this is the best team, we good
Speaker 1: And we hadn't even got chemistry, Like if this is
Speaker 1: the best team, we were good, Like let's just keep building,
Speaker 1: keep getting chemistry. But we all right, So we get
Speaker 1: to that point and we were like, hey, we're back here,
Speaker 1: We're good. So then we get into the game. We
Speaker 1: up twenty something, We rolling like the same ship, and
Speaker 1: we had Jonathan Simmons. Yeah h time, So then he
Speaker 1: was killing for us too, So we had him ball
Speaker 1: and got Kawhi alling, I'm doing good. So it was
Speaker 1: just like ship was clicking. Kauhi goes down and you know,
Speaker 1: like ship go to State defenses a fucking one. They
Speaker 1: doubled me in every which away. I can't get a
Speaker 1: good shot, you know. Like then Jay Simms is getting
Speaker 1: more more attention, and it's just shipped went from like
Speaker 1: sugar to ship real quick because Kauhi and now we're
Speaker 1: playing so good off of each other. He was balling,
Speaker 1: I was balling, and then without him, they were just
Speaker 1: on our ass a little bit.
Speaker 2: Kauhi ends up having a falling out, makes some comments,
Speaker 2: which I mean someone who was in there, what is
Speaker 2: what do you feel like you could share or kind
Speaker 2: of shed some light on that.
Speaker 1: What happened? When somebody ready to go, they ready to go.
Speaker 1: That's all I gotta say about that. When somebody they
Speaker 1: ready to go, they even when you you've been, even
Speaker 1: when you're there, certain ship is never told to everybody,
Speaker 1: like some ship stays behind. So no one knows all
Speaker 1: the ship but them, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: shit was going back and forth like with them, but
Speaker 1: we don't know what was going on and coming from
Speaker 1: our dynamic. You got to be a strong willed and
Speaker 1: a strong minded brother to make it on Santonio Spurs organization.
Speaker 1: Because Poppa is gonna test you and he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: trying to make you a better person, but he gonna
Speaker 1: put you in a lot of situations to test you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He did it to me,
Speaker 1: He did it to Kawai. He did to because of
Speaker 1: the color of people. But men to Kawhi couldn't take
Speaker 1: that ship. Okay, That's just what it was. Because we
Speaker 1: want a hoop. We don't want to be in the
Speaker 1: corner all. You know what I'm saying. We want we
Speaker 1: don't want to run pick a roll, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that was kawhi attitude. He want he
Speaker 1: he really wanted the hoop, bro And when that when
Speaker 1: the injury stuff came down, how they didn't fight for
Speaker 1: him in public like Tony had. Tony had an injury
Speaker 1: and Tony was out a long time. Kawai never said nothing.
Speaker 1: They was questioned about why kaw was out and Tony
Speaker 1: was like, well, I had the same injury and I
Speaker 1: came back questioning if he really hurt Own National TV
Speaker 1: that push him right out the door. Mmmm. But those
Speaker 1: that didn't. If you can see, that's a good ass
Speaker 1: paint over that, bro ship you see that ship at first,
Speaker 1: that a good ass pain. I'm a part of the organization.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying. I hear ship too,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it is what it is. Man.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna speak for nobody, but Bro, I think
Speaker 1: he didn't want to like do all like the other
Speaker 1: ship that popped it too, like the learning ship, He's
Speaker 1: want to hoop. He just wanted to Everybody don't want
Speaker 1: to learn about Western Africa, learn the maps, and he
Speaker 1: just wanted to hoop. But I ain't saying right or wrong.
Speaker 1: Just didn't want to do that. He wants you just
Speaker 1: want to do and that's and that's really what they
Speaker 1: was paying him to do. Fast forward twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: You go to the Nets, Brooklyn. What was it like
Speaker 1: playing with Katie, Kyrie and James Ship? Lay up? Ship
Speaker 1: was easy? Getting lay up at the lay up corb spaced. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's what's weird for me is same fucking team one
Speaker 1: year later and didn't play close to the same. It
Speaker 1: was weird, Bro, Like first year we had a lot
Speaker 1: more movement. We had a lot more actions, pinned downs
Speaker 1: and and I'm getting layups and it's like the second year,
Speaker 1: like it was more stagnant, more more ISOs and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I feel like that's what hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1: But when you got three motherfuckers that can get a shot,
Speaker 1: I mean three and a half, because I still could
Speaker 1: get a shot too, so it's like you kind of
Speaker 1: get to more ISO. But the first year it was
Speaker 1: way more movement, yeah, more continuity, backcuts. But it was easy, man,
Speaker 1: Like good times. Man. Everybody was like about winning. I
Speaker 1: feel like when they got me, they were like, we all,
Speaker 1: we all want to go win one. We all, you know,
Speaker 1: like on the same page. We all want to go
Speaker 1: prove something. You know. Everybody had to prove something in
Speaker 1: their own way, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: was just like everybody wanted to go prove it, and
Speaker 1: shit just didn't work out. Twenty thousand grew up points
Speaker 1: seven times, All Star played with a handful of legends.
Speaker 1: Are you at peace your career turned out? Nah? I
Speaker 1: wanted a ring bro because I feel like when I
Speaker 1: get to the five year mark and motherfucker started bringing
Speaker 1: like bringing me out like he got twenty thousand, he
Speaker 1: ain't out of the ring, which I feel like it
Speaker 1: is fucked up. I feel like I am you biased.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You appreciate it, we're all
Speaker 1: we're all biased for you. You put the work in
Speaker 1: for sure with yeah, but I think people gonna a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand my body of work. Not
Speaker 1: trying to be arrogant. I feel like it's I was
Speaker 1: in Portland so long. People don't really know those Portland
Speaker 1: days like that, like when I was really putting it in.
Speaker 1: So it's like I think people know, like the the
Speaker 1: San Antonio days because they San Antonio, They're gonna be
Speaker 1: on T n T, you know, nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten and it's pop. And so I just feel like
Speaker 1: the body of work in Portland is a little overlooked.
Speaker 1: And that's when I became me because I was on
Speaker 1: the West coast. You know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: hope I get in. But if I don't like I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to steal anything from I
Speaker 1: think Westbrook said it or whatever, like somebody said, but
Speaker 1: I'm already you know where I'm from and what I
Speaker 1: did and where I am now, I'm already hall of
Speaker 1: Fame back at home, I'm a Hall of Fame together.
Speaker 1: Like and again, it's it's with your peers.
Speaker 2: It's not the motherfucking writers and all these other people
Speaker 2: that have to say.
Speaker 1: It's it's the.
Speaker 2: People that went to war against you and with you,
Speaker 2: and what they say about appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Over two hundred million in career the back any NBA
Speaker 1: players signing big deals. What's your biggest piece of financial
Speaker 1: advice for and two questions and do you have any
Speaker 1: purchase you regret biggest financial I move a little different
Speaker 1: because I came from a different background. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was like we appreciate more, Yeah exactly. So for me,
Speaker 1: I wanted I want it. I would trust nobody. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if y'all was like that
Speaker 1: little picture with the little Asian guy with the tiny
Speaker 1: piece of papers, and like this is who he trust,
Speaker 1: Like the list of people ye of as small as
Speaker 1: as me. Bro, So I got I got to look
Speaker 1: at it with magnet. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the way I'm talking about. But so I got to
Speaker 1: two groups that take care of my money, and I
Speaker 1: wanted it because I wanted to make sure that they
Speaker 1: want and they can watch each other a little bit.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, because you know, you
Speaker 1: can't steal from me if he wants the other half
Speaker 1: of my money and he watching it, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell on him because he wanted all exactly.
Speaker 1: So if you fuck up a little bit, he gonna
Speaker 1: let me know, you know what I'm saying. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's how I wanted to know Mark. But I would say, man,
Speaker 1: you don't like I know that that would be a
Speaker 1: pa all they wanted to say, like save it, like
Speaker 1: you gotta stay, but you gotta live too, because if
Speaker 1: you wait too long to live, you're gonna be retired
Speaker 1: with no money coming in trying to go live, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I feel like you got
Speaker 1: to have a balance of have a goal of what
Speaker 1: you want to save, but also live a little bit.
Speaker 1: Because I live and I'm still well off, I'm good.
Speaker 1: But if I wouldn't have lived, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do it now because I'm trying to like search for
Speaker 1: that happiness, I'll be burning through my mind and to
Speaker 1: feel that gap of retiring exactly I gonna do now,
Speaker 1: and then you burning money when you ain't got that
Speaker 1: money coming in like that, So I always say, man,
Speaker 1: save as much as you can, but also live a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like Bro, you're killing yourself on the court.
Speaker 1: You grinding every day. Your life is basketball, So get
Speaker 1: some shit to make you happy. Go by fast. Nobody
Speaker 1: never told me that five. I knew that after real live,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I think about saving. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go that far. I'm gonna live first. I think about
Speaker 1: saving after I live. You gotta save. He still might
Speaker 1: be in a living face. Yeah, I can't look at it.
Speaker 1: Look at me. I was living. You gotta save so
Speaker 1: then when you're done, like I would also put this
Speaker 1: in there, you gotta save. So if your ship in
Speaker 1: like my ship, and I thought I was gonna play
Speaker 1: til forty, if you just wake up and you got
Speaker 1: a hard ship, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: was good no matter what. So you gotta save because
Speaker 1: you don't know how long this shit goes last? A right,
Speaker 1: you know how they say that ship the NBA PA whatever,
Speaker 1: the average is three point five motherfuckers going in for
Speaker 1: two years and lead you never see him again. Everybody,
Speaker 1: don't play sixty in your draft. Yeah, facts though, but
Speaker 1: that's what I said. That shit was terrible. But so
Speaker 1: you gotta think about we all want to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm playing until forty I'm gonna get two hundred mil.
Speaker 1: But you it's not guaranteed. You gotta say something. But
Speaker 1: just imagine how bron gonna have these motherfuckers thinking I
Speaker 1: can play time forty five.
Speaker 2: It's only one of them. Motherfuckers. Don't believe that. Don't guys,
Speaker 2: don't allow that ship. That is not your path. No,
Speaker 2: all right, man, we appreciate we got quick hitters, first
Speaker 2: team to come on. But I think before I say that,
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, man, we appreciate you coming and
Speaker 2: open up, you know what I mean, Like you're one
Speaker 2: of them star players that we got a chance to
Speaker 2: play against. But you just who you are as a person.
Speaker 2: You're not talking about yourself, you're not posting all the
Speaker 2: ship you're doing. So it's always kind of like, damn,
Speaker 2: he had a hell of game, but what happened to him?
Speaker 2: So it's good to others. You're doing well. Man, you're healthy.
Speaker 2: Appreciate how you saved your money. Sure, but I know
Speaker 2: you are smoke with a junior high to try to
Speaker 2: get up.
Speaker 1: Team transferred to transfer.
Speaker 2: But quick hitters, man, So the first thing come to
Speaker 2: your mind. Let us know the best piece of advice
Speaker 2: you ever received, quick hitters. I'm over here taking my time.
Speaker 2: Never get out work.
Speaker 1: I worked. If you if you out work every motherfucker
Speaker 1: in the room that you should be on. That's what
Speaker 1: you plus four on the Blacktop.
Speaker 2: So you might need to fight. Ain't no refs who
Speaker 2: you start five? Man, that's that's tough. Me plus four
Speaker 2: it was on a Blacktop team.
Speaker 1: I was I would take I'm gonna take y'all too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take ze Bo that's four, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take uh Andre Miller. Oh yeah, they don't really know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So you said you had so tell us tell us
Speaker 2: your Dre Miller story.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. So first year with him, and I
Speaker 1: had never played with an elite elite because I you know,
Speaker 1: I hadn't played with Dame yet and beat rose it two.
Speaker 1: So my first elite, I want to clear it up.
Speaker 1: First elite PG for is like you don't say being smart.
Speaker 1: Long story short, that's when I was like starting to kill.
Speaker 1: So team was like doule timmy like they were front
Speaker 1: of me, like I couldn't get the ball. You know.
Speaker 1: He talks all hot and then we were cool. But
Speaker 1: I was cool with him, but he would always call
Speaker 1: me Marcus Owers. I'm like, bro, stop calling me that.
Speaker 1: So we end the game. He said my whole long
Speaker 1: ass name, like bro stop, but he was like, Mark's older.
Speaker 1: Just come here, and I'm like, bro first, like stopped
Speaker 1: calling me that. But you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: was like, hey, when you're on the block, just go
Speaker 1: to the rim. I'm like, Drake, I can't see you.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about just go to the rim. Like man,
Speaker 1: he tripping, I can't even see this nigga. I was like,
Speaker 1: I bet we're on the block. I'm getting in front
Speaker 1: of it. I spent and go to the rim. That
Speaker 1: motherfucker is right there. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we're good now. And that's the
Speaker 1: year we let the whole league in lobs. Bro, Like
Speaker 1: that was that year? Bro? You from me? Like I
Speaker 1: just turned that motherfuckers into my hand, Like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: How easy was great? Lives? Just spent to the rim.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, bro, I can't see you,
Speaker 1: so I can't see the ball. Don't worry about it, bro.
Speaker 1: That ship, that ship was right there. Man, he's funny.
Speaker 1: Ever call you your nickname? Or was it always Mark?
Speaker 1: One time out in the car, I think he called
Speaker 1: me l A. But he you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had bro, No, he won't mind this story, bro.
Speaker 1: So we we we in l A. Bro, we didn't
Speaker 1: live having a good ass time this black. I think
Speaker 1: we had. We had been winning and winning and winning.
Speaker 1: So we got to tell you what. It's the whole
Speaker 1: crew and like we asked him to go out, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he said he wanted to. Long story shart, bro,
Speaker 1: y'all know this niggas, y'all gonna get it. We in
Speaker 1: the club, we having a good time, We kicking it.
Speaker 1: We on the Floyd left. You know, it's the vibe
Speaker 1: down there. We looked to the left and the corners.
Speaker 1: The nigga by himself just chilling. It was Dre like
Speaker 1: what the fuck you're doing in this spot? By oh
Speaker 1: y'all good bro, y'all good bro in the spot by
Speaker 1: himself like right behind us in the corners, Doug as
Speaker 1: the motherfuckering the corner. It's Dre just kicking it by himself.
Speaker 1: Bro said, like, what's up are y'all? Y'all good broun
Speaker 1: y'all know. I'm like, he'll give a Baron Davis have
Speaker 1: that same type of little bit like that were laying
Speaker 1: in Dallas. He right to the skating ing. Y'all want
Speaker 1: to go skating with me? Like? Bro? Like how random
Speaker 1: iss is? Like he I grew up. He in the
Speaker 1: hood where I grew up. Niggas. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: Dre here, I'm like in the hood. Yeah, Bro's skating
Speaker 1: dancing Like Bro, I'm like, he a real one. He
Speaker 1: had where I grew up. When he skateing by himself,
Speaker 1: pulled up by himself, he got his own skates with him.
Speaker 1: I was here.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good childhood crush.
Speaker 1: That's tough. As I've gotten older, I realized people say
Speaker 1: she had a real one, but uh, I stay, she
Speaker 1: dashed in the crush. I mean in the videos Bro,
Speaker 1: early on station when you were young, she was bad.
Speaker 1: She was bad. Bro. He was like, Bro, she's slid.
Speaker 1: She think a little bit, Bro, she was silent.
Speaker 2: So some of somewhere along line she crashed, but so
Speaker 2: not that not the one now, but maybe you could
Speaker 2: have changed her.
Speaker 1: I would have tried. I should have gaven an opportunity.
Speaker 1: I would have tried something. You wish it was better
Speaker 1: at just in life. I don't have to be sports.
Speaker 1: More music talents. I used to play the piano back
Speaker 1: in the day. I didn't use it, so I kind
Speaker 1: of lost it. But I wish I was one of
Speaker 1: them niggas that can just pull out a fucking guitar
Speaker 1: and ship and just you know, I ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: that ship. Nah. I didn't say a fucking singer. I
Speaker 1: just said, you know what I'm saying. I like music
Speaker 1: a lot. You want to do with my pa if
Speaker 1: I had a fast car, like and I got a
Speaker 1: fast car I love. I got a couple of fans exactly.
Speaker 1: That's me right there. But more music type ship good guilty,
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure cars. Got a car collection not as much now,
Speaker 1: low key, not as much now, uh seventy six Chevy
Speaker 1: Chapelle nine and Paula uh Ram t Rex truck, uh
Speaker 1: Rose Roy's coloring and made back two tone uh dode,
Speaker 1: I mean the Defender. Friend drove a Defender and then
Speaker 1: I got a uh to Marten uh brough uh the
Speaker 1: new Bronco and I'm missing one more escalator the I
Speaker 1: have a few houses too, So these ages all marked
Speaker 1: there outside my ship though it is yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the one that's the Raptor addition, So it's
Speaker 1: a little bit faster to like fast call best shooting
Speaker 1: American big man of all time, with you sure to
Speaker 1: break your arm yourself on the back. I gotta go
Speaker 1: with Dirk Man America. Oh you're right, you're right, American.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. You're trying to give you
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to your ship. You go throwing
Speaker 1: me alive. I don't want y'all right now, y'all tell
Speaker 1: me just go to the rim. And I want to
Speaker 1: go to the rim. Bro. I'm telling you'll work smarter
Speaker 1: than that all. I'm telling you to turn the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah me bro, Like I did that ship
Speaker 1: at a higher level for a long time. Not trying
Speaker 1: toot my horn, but I feel like not in night
Speaker 1: Out like consistent. The shot that everyone said was a
Speaker 1: bad shot for everybody else, it wasn't bad for me.
Speaker 1: So me there you go. If you could see one
Speaker 1: guest on our show who would it be? But but
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be watching him trying to make sure
Speaker 1: I say something that's been on here. Y'all had robbery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a big shot because I feel like I
Speaker 1: wanted to start a show and just I wanted to
Speaker 1: tell his story. But y'all already kind of got to
Speaker 1: it because that was a winner, bro. But don't get
Speaker 1: talked about it though. But people don't respect that because
Speaker 1: he wasn't the stars of the team but his but
Speaker 1: the shots he made, he was bigger than any big superstar,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So shifted because he didn't want
Speaker 1: to get found. He even said that ship publicly and
Speaker 1: then he knocked that bit. Like, Bro, he's made some
Speaker 1: big had shots for a bunch of the best shooters
Speaker 1: in NBA history that especially behind the three point line,
Speaker 1: can't make shots in the last two, last thirty seconds
Speaker 1: of the game. He is proven in history. He came
Speaker 1: off the bench ice colder one like the motherfucker down.
Speaker 1: So uh y'all had uh sea bosh yep, yep, early,
Speaker 1: How was that one good? During the pandemic though, wasn't it? Yep?
Speaker 1: I fucked with We competed when we were younger. We
Speaker 1: played on the same uh AU team too for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Brenda, Uh this this painting was saying Brandon Royal,
Speaker 1: damn that that motherfucker talk to No, we haven't had him.
Speaker 1: You haven't had Brandon? Right? No? Why we didn't think
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah? No, shut up, he didn't. Y'all have
Speaker 1: g Greg? Who Greg Oden? No? I want to. I
Speaker 1: want to hear his story, bro. I feel like.
Speaker 2: Decided I started phlling him maybe like a year ago,
Speaker 2: and just kind of because I didn't know where he
Speaker 2: was either, I started following him and kind of see
Speaker 2: he went back to school coaching and stuff and liking
Speaker 2: this stuff. And I sent him a DM and he
Speaker 2: just read it. It left me on seeing so but
Speaker 2: I didn't have no relationship with him. Put that good
Speaker 2: word in press line. Yeah you no bad dude either.
Speaker 2: I decided that he has.
Speaker 1: A hell I mean, he has a hell of a
Speaker 1: story to tell. I want to. I want to hear
Speaker 1: his story because I feel like, bro, he gets so
Speaker 1: so thissed or like dismissed. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I feel like he need to tell his side of
Speaker 1: the story, like bus can't even be put next to
Speaker 1: his name in the same sentence because when he was healthy,
Speaker 1: he was he was doing that fucking proud. But how
Speaker 1: good would you be with one leg longer than the other,
Speaker 1: Like could you even dominate at all if your ship
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, I had two good legs,
Speaker 1: couldn't do. So let's just put it that way. So
Speaker 1: now I think I think he deserves it to tell
Speaker 1: his story on a safe space and this is will
Speaker 1: be honored. Yeah you know what I'm saying, and let
Speaker 1: him control his own there. Ye yeah, I think cool.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Well that's a wrap.
Speaker 2: L A again we man, We appreciate you spending some
Speaker 2: time and and and giving the world a chance to
Speaker 2: get to know who you were, because again, you were
Speaker 2: one of the great players.
Speaker 1: Don't talk much, but come to find out you're cool,
Speaker 1: cool as ship. Appreciate the time. We uh, we'll catch you.
Speaker 1: You know where to find us. What's the all Later