1 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: M hm m h. 2 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke. Day two Las Vegas in 3 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: season tournament. Yesterday we had a good day. Today we 4 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: started off with a good one. We was just talking 5 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: before camera, like I was thinking, like, where the fuck 6 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: do this dude go? 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Like he was ooping somewhere. 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you got a Google like where's the markets? 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Jeff somewhat to death. 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, Bary, your resume, man, seven 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: time All Star, five time All NBA, over twenty thousand 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: career points, number three scoring Blazer history, number one rebounder, 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: and then again, you kind of could just step away. 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: But I also learned you you're doing some ambassador work 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: with the NBA, taking trips around the world and getting 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: to speak and host camps, but also enjoy the process. 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: So what's life after basketball been like for you? 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, like your first year, it's like you confused. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's next? I want to stay hope, you 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you wake up like I'm 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: lost a little bit. So I think for me it 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: was more like, shit, let's figure this shit out. Let's 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: kind of like move around. NBA hit me up, and 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I don't want to do that, 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: Like my personality is more like I want you know, 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm more chill. They were like, well, just do one trip, 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: you'd be good to go. So I did Spain and man, 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: that shit was dope. Man went over there and shit 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: on the beach and you know, like the vibe is crazy. 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: So did that one trip and then now man, I 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: just be doing that. So it's like traveling the world, 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: going to like different places and just talking to people, 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: hosting camps and stuff. Explain your the end of your career. 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: So you stopped playing using as fuck? 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you stopped playing, came back, played, stopped and retired. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: Explain the process and obviously we're supposed to get to 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: it later, but I just kind of want to open 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: up with it because we had a friend here who 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: was here but not here. It had a similar heart 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: condition that you had, and I was literally with him 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: when he died on the court, you know what I mean. 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: And he was able to come back to life. So 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: obviously we know how serious it is. But break down 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: kind of the end of your career. 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: So did Bonzie as well. Shit, So obviously I was 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: diagnosed with it in two thousand and six. I was drafted, 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: passed out in the game, so then they take me 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 1: to the hospital. I found out I had it, had 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: like two or three procedures done, so I went a 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: minute with no issues, signed with the Spurs. This one 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: was kind of quiet. It came out, but it was 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: more like the you know, more quiet. It came back again, 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: so then they said I was out in definitely. Like 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: so when you came back, like you passed out, you 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: just for filling it. Yeah, like you pass out. It's 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: kind of weird, and it's like it's kind of like 57 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: Cash twenty two because it's like as you get in 58 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: better shape, symptoms get worse, which don't make sense right 59 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: because you're supposed to work out to get better. But 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, so my shaken slow down too 61 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: too much, like when I'm out the rhythm and I 62 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: can pass out. So you know, as you're get in 63 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: better shape, you should go slower and slower, you know 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I was passing out, so I 65 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: was in camp, had a little issues. Then we got 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: that fake So then fast forward to the end. I 67 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: got the vaccine. Played the one game in Chicago felt 68 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: terrible like when heart rate was like racing. It was 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: going too slow, like it was just off. So then 70 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I went home that night and then we had it 71 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: back to back with the Lakers, So then I played again, 72 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: and like the whole thing with my heart is like 73 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: if I'm in the if I'm out of rhythm, I'm 74 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: about to pass out. If you run, your shit's supposed 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: to straighten up, so then you're good to go. It 76 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: was the first time I was running and my stuff 77 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't straighten up. It was still going slow. It was 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: it was like weird to be yeah, like you're supposed 79 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: to be like one hundred and something, you know, beats, 80 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: and you had like sixty and like how is it 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: even possible? So like I just didn't feel right. So 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: I go home that night laying down and like my 83 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: ship was getting so slow. I just kept passing out 84 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: over and over. I'm like, I'm more chill, and I 85 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: grew up poor, so it's like kind of like gott 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: to figure some shot on your own. So I was like, 87 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: just just just get through the night and I'll be good. 88 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: So the whole night I'm laying there thinking I'm about 89 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: to die. So then I called a train to like 90 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: six am. I can't take it no more. Go to 91 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the hospital, like they checked me out and then I 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: kind of get out of the rhythm and like they 93 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: don't keep me in the hospital or whatever. So then 94 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: like for me, I was shook because I had just 95 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: signed with Brooklyn. I didn't trust there, not trust. I 96 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: didn't know their training staff, I didn't know their doctors. 97 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: So I was like, I gotta go home and like 98 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: figure the shit out. So I go home to my doctor. 99 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: He was like, I wouldn't risk it, Like was that 100 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: the first time actors told you? Yeah, every other doctor 101 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: was like you're good, You're good, You're good. And he 102 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: was like, I've studied you when you were here for 103 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: five years and I've never seen you do this shit. 104 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: So he was like, you got kids, man, Like I 105 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't risk So the team is telling me you're gonna 106 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: be good, which we all know how that shit go. 107 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Not not not talking that on anybody. Yeah yeah. So 108 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: I go to him, man, we have more of like 109 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: a you know, real bond exactly. So he's like, I 110 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't risk it, bro, Like I've never seen this happen 111 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: to you before. You've been there five years. So the 112 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: teams called him and call him and call him, and 113 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like listening to him. So I was like, 114 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to be that that 115 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: dude that has a patch and then you don't think 116 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: about it no more, you know what I'm saying. So 117 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm done. So I 118 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: called him and I'm like crying. So then I retire, 119 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: and like it goes crazy or whatever. I kind of 120 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: like duck off and high like you like normal. And 121 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: then so then my doctor hit me up like, hey, 122 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: if you really want to try this again, let's spend 123 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: the whole summer putting you through every test I can 124 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: put you through running you know, I don't want to 125 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: lose word. So this is the beginning of the season. 126 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: You retire, and you go through the whole season, and 127 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: that next that that following summer, the doctor hits you again. 128 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I retired towards the end, if you remember, because that's 129 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: when Kadie needed to shot from a team and I said, 130 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: if I was there, man, that's my chance to want 131 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: to ring because he needed because you know, nobody could 132 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: make a shot that game, and that's what I do. 133 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: So that's when I retired towards the end when they 134 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: were playing again Shine, you know, and it was on 135 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: the exactly. So I was sick because I'm like, this 136 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: is my opportunity and they don't come off and y'all know. Yeah, 137 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: So I go home to that and then that that 138 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: following summer. So were you still kind of around the 139 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: team or you were at home at this time? Now, 140 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: I went home as soon as it happened, Like it's 141 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of funny. I packed all my set up and 142 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: like I got on a jet and I was like, 143 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. So I didn't have to go 144 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: back and get nothing, cause I was just like I 145 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: don't want to die, you know what I'm saying. So 146 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: I went home and you know, handled that ship. You know, 147 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: Mom's all shook, and feel everybody's blowing me out. So anyway, 148 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: he hit me up that summer. It was like, if 149 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: you really want to play again, like let's do it 150 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: the right way. That's spend the next two to three 151 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: months putting you through every test and then let's go 152 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: back in you know, you know, through your groun and 153 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: like let's look at your heart and then make sure 154 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: everything looks right. So I said all right, I'll do it. 155 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: So I did every test possible, you know, I passed 156 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: all of him, and he was like, even if this 157 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: happened again, I'm confident that you won't die. Obviously you 158 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: can't say one hundred percent, but I think from what 159 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: everything I've looked at like you would be good to go. 160 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: So I went through the whole summer, got approved, had 161 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: to go through the NBA to It was a long 162 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: gas process, brocause you know, at the NBA they don't 163 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: want you to die either, obviously, but they with that liability. 164 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: So then they put me through a whole another ringer 165 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: of like shit, ten twelve tests, passed all that shit. 166 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: So then it was like, okay, now where do you 167 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: want to go? Like I'm back clear to play. And 168 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: then I had the option of Bosson or Brooklyn, and 169 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm like with shouts. With Brooklyn, that shit was love 170 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: like easy shots with Kevin, you know what I'm saying, 171 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: Like James, you know, hit me with the lots. So 172 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: it was like, I'm gonna go back there and then 173 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: it's just a whole different scene. That's what. Everything just 174 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: blew the fuck up. 175 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: You go back there, finish out how how many games. 176 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: Do you play that season? 177 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't even remember, bro, that was a frustrating season. Shit, 178 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: maybe like twenty five thirty because then Claxton, who starts down, 179 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: started to play really good. So then they kind of 180 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: put me to the back burner a little bit because 181 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't switch. Could switch. I don't want to get 182 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: into this ship. I could switch. You just gotta you know, 183 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: like somebody behind you. Yes, anyway, but anyway, So then 184 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: I didn't really play towards the end, and then that 185 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: was it. 186 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Damn So how many years when it's all said, sixteen 187 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: you made that choice? 188 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Bro, that's a lot. 189 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, like your whole life, this 190 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: is what you want to do, you know what I mean? 191 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: And to get this early on and be able to 192 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: fight through it and still do what you do, accomplish 193 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: what you accomplished, and then at the end having someone 194 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: tell you like I don't know, but you still have 195 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: that fire burning and wanting to play, and then he 196 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: kind of gets your hopes down like okay, maybe you're right, 197 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: and then he starts your fire again like let's go 198 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: through all this testing and then you go back and 199 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: then the Brooklyn nets explode you know what I mean 200 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 2: if that team, that's arguably one of the most disappointing 201 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: teams that ever came together when you think about the 202 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: top three guys and then also having someone like you. 203 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: But what I mean on top of that, I mean, on. 204 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: Paper that team was incredible, but the fact that nothing 205 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: ever kind of came from it. And to hear your 206 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: point of view now and what that championship, you know 207 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: that could have happened. 208 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Jan don't step under Kyrie feet. It's a whole different boda. 209 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't remember the play. 210 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: But speaking of that, but you were on the Spurs 211 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: Golden State when Zaza got koh, right, that was. 212 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: My first chance to really get around. Yeah, and we 213 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: were rolling that game, fucking rolling like up like twenty six. Yeah, 214 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: it's half rolling. He go down and that shit. That 215 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: shit turned quick too. It's hard, bro, Let's never get 216 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: back to that point. 217 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: But but but I mean, obviously that's just the basketball side. 218 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: You're dealing with the life side on top of trying 219 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: to get what everyone's trying to get on the basketball 220 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: side too. 221 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you came in in the mid two thousands up 222 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: until twenty twenty, and you've seen a lot of the game, 223 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: which you think the state of the game is right now. 224 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm confused, man, because I feel like the money is 225 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: going up and up because the fans want to see 226 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. But I came in 227 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: when it was a physical ass game. You had to 228 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: earn everything z Bo and Rashi. You know what I'm saying, 229 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Tim was, Yeah, you got all these guys, you had 230 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: to go get it. And it's like now you can't 231 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: really touch anybody. So I'm not mad that it's getting 232 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: where it's getting, but I'm just confused though. If I like, 233 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like the style of play 234 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: at times, like everybody's shooting three, he's just running up 235 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: and down. I like when you had to Like I 236 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: love Denver because like he's touching the fucking ball every time, 237 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what we got. I think 238 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: if he can win two or three more championship and 239 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: shift back there you go, that's what we need. Steph 240 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: messed it up, Steph changed the ship. We need somebody 241 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: else dominant down load to like bring it back. Guards 242 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: don't even post up no more, man, That's what I'm saying, Like, 243 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: and I came in in that era. I watched y'all 244 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: and everybody in that era, so it's like that's how 245 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm trained to think. It's like one motherfucker's down low. 246 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Now you got everybody on the perimeter. So it's just 247 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: different for me to process you. You walk in this 248 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: game right now, you young la, what you average? Sure 249 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: in this game you can't be touched. I think high 250 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: close to thirties. Yeah, not even be an area, like 251 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: you can't touch me every time average mid twenties and 252 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: bumping exactly if you can't touch me, I'm shooting all day. 253 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: So close to thirty for sure. I would say more 254 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: because you got guys, you know guys getting triple do 255 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: was in the first half, Like it's crazy, it is. 256 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: It's more fifty point games right now every season than 257 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: any time in the NBA. 258 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: And people averaging anytime, bro, and people averaging above thirty. 259 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: You right, eight multiple people used to get fifty. Everybody 260 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: like he got fifty. Damn he was bothering. 261 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: Noway eighties all the time another day now, Yeah, I 262 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: mean it's no knocking player. 263 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: Skills and no skill levels about it. 264 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 2: It's a different type of defense and attention and points 265 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: of emphasis for the league. 266 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, the league wants to see scoring. 267 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Like if you think about it, to me, it makes 268 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: sense because you know, obviously I coach my kids and 269 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: they're coming up in this new generation. But if you're 270 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: thinking about it from a fans perspective, I don't really 271 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: want to see if I'm just a fan an eighty 272 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 2: nine to ninety two game, because now a lot of 273 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: people just watch highlights, you know what I mean. So 274 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: to see the score of eighty nine ninety two, you're like, like, 275 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: what happened? But then you see these one thirties to 276 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: one twenty seven with hell of threes and dunks, and 277 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: then that's what continues to grow the game. But if 278 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: when you come from our era, it's just like we 279 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: all hung some defense, you know what I mean, And 280 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: you were someone that did on both sides of the ball. 281 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: So it's just like it's a little bit of but 282 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: like you said, you understand where it's going. It's just 283 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: not the same ship we grew up in. It just 284 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: don't feel the same. I want to ask y'all, do 285 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 2: y'all feel like next ten years the league's on a 286 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: transition to more like European players than American players, they're 287 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: already doing that because the game doesn't change so much. 288 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: It's more to them now. But it's not. It's tailored 289 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: to them. But the motherfucker's just better than our players. Bro. 290 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: It's just they just get smarter. They coming over here 291 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: and dominate as soon as they get it. They just better. 292 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: Luca make it look too easy. I went to the 293 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: game in Dallas where he was hitting the jump hook 294 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: three for Bro. They just better, Bro. For some reason, 295 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: they just better. Yeah, who's the best player in the 296 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: world of you right now? I gotta say, because I 297 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: mean he just won, and I mean he didn't want 298 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: an MVP, but we all know how they go. Yeah, 299 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: but Bro, like everybody watched social media, the man didn't 300 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: shoot a basketball all summer. Bro, And he came back 301 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: and and he like dominating, Like come on, like we 302 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: in the gym all summer, just like getting that ship ready. 303 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: This dude can't touch the basketball doing sure that he's 304 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: that good or the NBA that different, I don't know, 305 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: but but Bro, we watched him like he raced horses summer, 306 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: brod it was traveling party and he came back and 307 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: they want like their first with ten games or something. 308 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't think it's it's probably 309 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: three guys in the league that actually make him work. 310 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Like you have to worry about it, you know what 311 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like and be somebody like that Rudy Gobe, 312 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: somebody that actually can give him problems. But most of 313 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: his night's are easy nights. Yeah, that's crazy. And he's 314 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: doing it in ten different ways. Threes, pump fakes, post ups, runners, 315 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: mellow jumpers, same leg floaters. Like bro, watching his game 316 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: is kind of crazy to see that the big man 317 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: position has evolved that much, which I like. 318 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: I wonder if we'll ever see And this is no 319 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: knock on his game because he's at the top right now, 320 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: but I see like a dedicated something to like body 321 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: and game. 322 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: He did it that once. I remember when he came 323 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: back skinny and like didn't play good right the way back, yo, 324 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Like so Luca running up Lucas looked the same, the 325 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: same bro, so pretty much yokud just like a PG 326 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: version of John Daly. Go be you, bro, and go 327 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: be great. Fact, you know what I mean? He like Zebo, Like, yeah, exactly. 328 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: People didn't need to go run off sower, but you 329 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: gonna bust your ass all touch exactly. You made a 330 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: killing from the mill ranger for your career, as I said, 331 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: earlier started shooting threes late close to forty percent. Do 332 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: you regret not shooting threes earlier career? Ye, I'm I 333 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: do because that near range is money. But as I said, though, 334 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: the game wasn't like that. So for me, like the 335 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: coaches were telling me to do it, but like I'm 336 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: a big history guy, like bigs didn't do that. Like KG, 337 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: I watched him. He didn't shoot threes only if you 338 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: had to ten. Wasn't shooting three post. The other one 339 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: that did was she, but she was really high level 340 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: with the ship, you know what I'm saying, both hands. 341 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: So it's like most most of the guys I tried 342 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: to watch and like pat of my game after like 343 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: they didn't do that. So it was a hard transition 344 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: for me. And then like you said, like my mid 345 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: range was so easy, so I'm like take this three 346 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: or take one step in and like make that shit 347 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: like out of ten times. Yeah, so I'm gonna take 348 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: that shit out day. So for me, it was just 349 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: hard to like retrain my STLF to do that, but 350 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: I do wish I would have done it though you 351 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: just said that, I'm I'm gonna stick up to that question. 352 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: Who you patted the game? I give Rick Barnes a 353 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: lot of credit because, like he brought me in like 354 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: the room one day and he was like, who do 355 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: you want to who do you want to be? And 356 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I was like, shit, I don't know, Like I like 357 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: a lot of you know what I'm saying, hoopers or whatever. 358 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: He was like, well, let's sit here and let's pick 359 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: three players and then let's try to see what you 360 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: want from each player. I had never asked nobody to like, 361 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like think like this. Like 362 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: so I was all right, So I was like I 363 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: want kg's fade away. He's like okay. And I was 364 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: like I want Tims like face up, get to the middle. 365 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: He's like okay, He's like like one more person. I 366 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, I feel like she's high releases, unblockable. 367 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: He's like, so, okay, so you want those three things. 368 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I was like yeah. He's like okay, let's go to 369 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: the gym and get it. So then look at my game. 370 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: I went meddle like toim played it away like KG 371 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: and that's just like it seemed too simple. But like 372 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: he sat down with me and we did that ship 373 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: and that shit worked. That's cud of sense now you 374 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: say it like that. So he asked me that question, 375 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: but then he also backed that ship up. So I 376 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: give Rick credit, Like we did that ship, and then 377 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: he would be like, anytime you want to get in 378 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: the gym, called me. So I'd be like, twelve thirty. 379 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: You know you're in college. You ain't going to sleep, Rick, 380 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Let's go to the gym. Twelve thirty. He had my 381 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: doorm picking me up. And when you need gym too, 382 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: I ain't never had nobody to do that, you know 383 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I give him a lot of 384 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: my credit because he sent me down and like had 385 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: a plan and see your freshman year. Yeah, I never 386 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: had him like do that. And then when he gave 387 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: me that, so like I try to tell kids now, 388 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I got twenty thousand points and I 389 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: had three moves, you know what I'm saying. And it 390 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: was like Kobe said he had two moves. It's simple. 391 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about the breakdown the science, 392 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: that's just a shit. 393 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: Look at my arm man, Kobe Man, Yeah, yeah. I 394 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: was in the shure there like like, what would you 395 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: tell Victor. I was like, he's so skilled. I would 396 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: just break his shit down and be like, get a 397 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: movie that if it's fourth quarter, you're gonna go to it, 398 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: get a movie if it's first quarter. Like my shit 399 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: was always my fate beginning of the game, end of 400 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: the game, And I was like, it helps you stop 401 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: thinking so fucking much like end of the game, like 402 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: you too skilled, You're trying to think do I want 403 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: to do this? To do that and do this? Like 404 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: get one move where it's like I don't care who's 405 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: guarding you, you know what I'm saying. And I was like, 406 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: then build off that shit. But I feel like he's 407 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: so skilled, he's like got eighteen different moves in his head, 408 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: and he's playing too fast right now, so I'm just like, 409 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: slow yourself down and get two moves to go. 410 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: To I love hearing this shit because I wouldn't that 411 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: kind of scored. So to hear the science of it 412 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: and how you break it down, that shit is dope 413 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: when you simplify it, because at the end of the day, 414 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: it's very simplified if you work on what you're supposed 415 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: to work on exactly, like Kobe was like, I would 416 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: always talk to him during the game. 417 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm alway getting me. But Bro, I would talk to 418 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: him during the game. He always say like I stole 419 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: his fade. Awey. I'm like, Bro, this is just what 420 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: I watched. Y'all old heads, do you know what I'm saying? 421 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: But man, it's good. Get a move where it's if 422 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: it's first quarter, fourth quarter, last five seconds, first five seconds, 423 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: like you can get that bitch off any time, and 424 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: they get I car into that. So I was going 425 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: middle ninety a percent of the time, middle cut off. 426 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm fading away like that's simple. And then I'm shooting 427 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: way up here and it's so high when you can't 428 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: get to it, like it's a simple game. I mean, 429 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: we was able to do Kobe last interview. Since she's 430 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: talking about him, what do you mean to you? Man? 431 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: Have you hit her? Bro? Every time we talk about 432 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: his touch. Man, his impact was crazy. Bro. I lived 433 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: in Newport for five years, so I had my kids 434 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: by myself, man, and he would like play with my 435 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: kids and like take good care of me, man, and Bro, 436 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: he was just different, crazy, different far as like he 437 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: made you better, like you playing the Clippers, no offense 438 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: to anybody. You going out bro having a good time. 439 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: But if you got Kobe, Bro, I'm chilling like that's 440 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: gonna have me on my egg game tomorrow. So he 441 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: made you better without even knowing he making you better. 442 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm playing the Lakers. 443 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: I got Kobe, like I'm locked in. But if it's 444 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: the Clippers or you know what I'm saying, like you're 445 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: going somewhere else. You know what I'm saying, like you 446 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: out in the streets. But he always like talked to 447 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: me like I was in Newport Bro. He always took 448 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: care of me and was just be like, I see 449 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: you always working like he always acknowledged me when the 450 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: league didn't. And then just the coldest shit I've ever experienced. 451 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if he has something to do 452 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: with it. My first chance to make the All Star Game, 453 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: I didn't because Kevin Love had that crazy year where 454 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: they they lost every game, but he had thirty games, Yeah, 455 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: twenty and thirty games, so his stats was stupid. But 456 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: I should have made the game because like my team 457 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: was like number seven in the West, and like I 458 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: was balling that year, I didn't make it. I saw Kobe. 459 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: It's like, don't worry about it. That just keep doing you. 460 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: So then the next year I ball again and they 461 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: announced it right before we go play the Lakers. I 462 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: ain't never seen this, and y'all can tell me if 463 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: y'all have. So we playing at Lakers and then like 464 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: I just got announced and like we were, you know, 465 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: in the locker room or whatever whatever game they go, 466 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: they get to my name and they say NB it 467 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: for the first time. I all start LaMarcus Algiers on 468 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: the road. 469 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: Bro, they announced it announced, Yeah, and you had just 470 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: found out before that, so it had to be him, bro, Yeah, yeah, 471 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: it was that stables. 472 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: It had to be Bro. I ain't never heard that 473 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: before for sure, Bro, it had to be him. Bro. 474 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: Did you guys get a chance to train together in 475 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: New Porter? You just kind of see each other in passing. 476 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: So it was crazy we never trained together because he 477 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: was always so busy, Bro, Like he'd be moving like 478 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: that little red red Drover be moving. Bro. But nah, 479 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: So what was cold is so like I had my 480 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: boys and I would train him every morning so it 481 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: was like that that little wreck in Newport's like one 482 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: wreck that's like. 483 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: Off the freeway. Yeah, we went out there and trade 484 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: my kids. He trade my twins in that little rec center. 485 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was in the same one. So I 486 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: wanted to train my boys every morning. So I want 487 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: to do like six or seven. They're like, Kobe got it. 488 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: So I'll get that ship right after him because I 489 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: want to you know what I'm saying. I want to 490 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: get there early and like watching them or whatever. So 491 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: I always saw him in past and when when when 492 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: you know he was trying to gig or whatever. So, Bro, 493 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I saw him all the time, like, chop it up. Bro, 494 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: he was just he was the right. 495 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: People don't know how cool and down to earth is 496 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: if he fucked with you, he really. 497 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: It was crazy because it's like as Hoopers, you know, 498 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: how to understand him on the court and off the court. 499 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: Of course, he's competitive, so he gonna come up as 500 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: a dick on the court, that's just Covid and Coke. 501 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: But off the court, Bro, he was one of the 502 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: best people you could ever meet. Bro. He wouldn't let 503 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people see that side. My first time 504 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: in Newport. I just bought my crib. I'm at dinner 505 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: and I saw Cold and we were cool. But you know, 506 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: like I'm more chill, like I can go over to 507 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: his table and be like, you know what I'm saying. 508 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: So I see him, but I'm you know, like I 509 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: don't gonna say ship. So he come to my tail 510 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: like what's up, rook. And I was in the league 511 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: like five six years by that point, so like, you know, 512 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: like just talk to me for a minute or whatever whatever. 513 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: So then at the end of the night, you know, 514 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm about to pay, it's already passed. He looked over 515 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, you're good. You know what I'm saying, 516 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: Like like this ship like that like out and about 517 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like this a good dude. Yeah, 518 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: you got me crying on the show. Then, yeah, Broo, 519 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: it happened to us too. Being a Texas boy growing up, 520 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: I watched Tom Pender's and BJ Tyling, Terrence Richard, Reggie 521 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: Freeman all the play we all want to go to Texas, 522 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: end up playing in Texas. Talk about you growing up 523 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: and ended up at U T Bro I growing up, bro, 524 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Carolina because of MJ. I'm 525 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: a big but you know, best best best player in 526 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: the world. You don't care what position he is. You 527 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: want to you know at the park. I'm I'm MJ, 528 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: not Tim, you know what I'm saying. So I wanted 529 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: to go to Carolina bro So I was growing up 530 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: and like a dope story is like I grew up 531 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: and I was like in the streets and I was 532 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: like headed the wrong direction, so that my mom was 533 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: going to send me to the school with my cousin, 534 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: which was in Pleasant Grove in the hood. I was 535 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: probably gonna go to the wrong direction. But then I 536 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: ended up going to Cigareville High School, which is like 537 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: a little country ass town. So then the high school 538 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: coach came to my house in the summer and like 539 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm from the hood, so like you ain't coming in 540 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: the house the first time you meeted it. So it's 541 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and seven degrees and he on my posch 542 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: talking to my mom and he's sweating. He ain't letting 543 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: them in no, so he two hours like bring your 544 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: son to my school. Like I'm gonna get him right, 545 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I'm saying, Like get him 546 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: out the streets. But whatever whatever. So then I'm like, 547 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: please don't like I'm begging, Like she don't believe this. Man. 548 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to go there, like it's 549 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: a wax school. Ain't nobody that you know what I'm saying? 550 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: Corny asked, So I don't want to go to That's 551 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: long story short, she said, are you going there? So 552 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: I'm like fuck. So I go to Sigaville High School. 553 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: First day he bring me in. He was like, I've 554 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: heard about the things that you do and how you 555 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: are and how you move. Like he ain't saying like that. 556 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: You know, he owned the cat, so he just but 557 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: that's me translating that. He's like, if you give me 558 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: one year of you not doing the things that you do, 559 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: then I promise you, like I'll get you to college. 560 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: And no one had ever even mentioned college for me, 561 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: like I was different. So I was like, all right, 562 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: I'll buy in. So he's like, what school you want 563 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: to go to? And I'm like, shit, Carolina. So he's like, 564 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: give me one year where you don't smoke weed everyone 565 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: before school, where you don't go still you don't do this, 566 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: and I promise you like, you're gonna be good. So 567 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, allright, fuck it, are you freshman year? Because 568 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: my eighth grade I don't I don't. I don't remember 569 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: seventh or eighth grade. I was so high, like I 570 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: smoked every morning, Like, bro, I'm going to I'm going 571 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: to school with high. It's a kite welcome. So he 572 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: was like, well, it's cool to me. I never guess, 573 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: but it makes sense though, go ahead. So he mean, 574 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: he was like, stop all that ship. Give me one 575 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: year where you locking in and you get in the gym, 576 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: and I promise you you'll get a letter from Carolina. 577 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: Half of it I'm thinking this cap. But half is like, 578 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: no one's ever believed in me either, So fuck it? 579 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: Why not roll with him? Long story short. I get 580 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: in the gym, I started smoking, I'm all the time 581 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: for class, blah blah blah. End of the year. I 582 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: balled out too. I had twenty seven sixteen versus Bot 583 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: because me and Bosh was in the same district and 584 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: his school was cold as a motherfucker, so I ball 585 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: against him. It was iked igo. I ball against Icy. 586 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: Ike was nice, brong. Yeah, I ball against so long. 587 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Stay was short. I go against all the heavy hitters 588 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: and I hold my own end of the year. They 589 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: be like, yo, he real. So then I get the 590 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: first letter of my life was from Carolina, like you 591 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: on our radar, that was your first letter. First letter, say, 592 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: in my room, I had a picture of MJ in 593 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: the frame. I put that bitch right in the frame. Yeah, 594 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: and the rest was history. Like then smoke no more 595 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: after that in the gym all day, like taking class seriously, Like, bro, 596 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: if he never came into my life and I told 597 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: him I got into the Texas Hall of Fame like 598 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: like four or five years ago. I told the story 599 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: about him, and I was like, I was headed down 600 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: to the wrong path. I wanted to go to the 601 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: hood school where I can still smoke, I can see 602 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: my cousin, you know what I'm saying. Like, I wanted 603 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: to go where it was gonna be easy. If he 604 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: didn't come to my house and spend two hours in 605 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: the hot ass sign in Texas As you know it's 606 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: as admitted. No, wait, he's sweating. Bro. He had a 607 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: wig like a little wig. Bro, it's melting. Bro. It 608 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: was like b but he didn't waiver, Bro. He like 609 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: he stood on it and I was in like a 610 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: little trailer home in the trailer park. There was two 611 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: bad roomors me, my mom, and my brother, like one 612 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: little ass bro and he was at the door for 613 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: a minute. He talked us through that ship and I 614 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: was like, Bro, if I didn't have him do that, Like, 615 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: I don't know what if I would, did you stop 616 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: using cannabis from there on out or not? Just more strategically, 617 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: He's I was in I don't know what I mean. 618 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that was kind of my next 619 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: I mean, we were guys that smoked throughout, but it 620 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: wasn't We wasn't doing it. 621 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: We wasn't promoting it. 622 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: But I'm saying someone that did medicated throughout your career 623 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: as well and kind of found ways to get around it. 624 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: And now I want to promote it either for the 625 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: young fellas, like I want the young fellas to do 626 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: what they felt it is good for them, and parents 627 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: saying I'm pushing you know what I'm saying. 628 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: Like I got kids too, so what did it do? 629 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 2: But But to me, what did it do for you? 630 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: Because like I said, we random story. You know, I 631 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: was in the finals with go in the state and 632 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: he's still playing we'll talk about that later. 633 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah. Man. First of all, I said, I 634 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: was in Oregon, so the ship was right there, bro, 635 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: And you're coming off the tail end of the jail 636 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: Blazers too. Yeah, so that's where I was gonna go. 637 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: Like I had a I won't I won't out anybody, 638 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: but I had two vets to have me over and Bro, 639 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: it was like yeah, so I did. Yeah for sure, 640 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: especially when I was in Portland, like got my old 641 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: connected and found your way around it and and to me, 642 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: like I said, like, we not. Well, I can't speak 643 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: for that one. And it seems like you're on the 644 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: same page. But you saw a successful career. It wasn't 645 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: about getting high and no, no, no, it was what 646 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: it did for you. It helped you relax, It helped 647 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: you sleep, it helped pain. It did a lot of 648 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: different things. 649 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: And I think everyone gets the stigma of you're smoking 650 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: to get super but sometimes I do just want to 651 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: get super hot. But it also does during the season, 652 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: it does a lot of I'm not a big drink 653 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: ground and be popping those pills. 654 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do nothing else. So it's the unwined too. 655 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: After the game, the decompression word I came in when 656 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all remember this, A lot of 657 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: fans won't know. This ship is when toward Doll was 658 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: like shit, so you took that ship and you go 659 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: run to a fucking wall when that ship wore out, man, 660 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: fucking knees. You know what I'm saying that, So then 661 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: when you light one up, you know what I'm saying, 662 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: like that should happy to sleep because that stomach bro 663 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I got a toward off story. 664 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: So Clippers second round versus San Antonio first round or 665 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: second round? 666 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: Maybe we first round. 667 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: We knocked them on the first round the year they 668 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: won the chance and coming off the championship, I run 669 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: into a Dwight Howard screen before the playoffs and completely 670 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: fucked my right shoulder up, like so bad that I 671 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: can't lift it at all going right into the playoffs. 672 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: So like, you know, either you can sit out or 673 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: we can give you some toward off, Like what's it? 674 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: And I remember hearing toward all because one of my 675 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: homeboys in USC used too much and it fucked his 676 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: liver up, but he had to retire from the Patriots exactly, 677 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: So I'm like, shit, I'll give it a try. So 678 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: when I tell you, they shot me in my ass 679 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: with this toward all like an hour before or and 680 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: I was super bad all around garden Kawhi, just fine. 681 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: Jumping, dunk and shooting. But when I didn't have it. 682 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: So the funny part is so I always had a 683 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: pregame ritual where I'd go pee before the game, like 684 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: right before they do the announcements, before they did the 685 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: starting lineup, I'd run back out there. 686 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: This time, I'm going out. I'm going in there. 687 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: I'm about to pee, and I fart in the tourter. 688 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: I like I wet farted myself. Bro shorted, sharded bro. 689 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: Three minutes on the clock. So I have to take 690 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: this bro. I have to take my tights off, ball 691 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: them up, throw them away at the bottom of the 692 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: garvage and no one can find up going my bag, 693 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: didn't have no more run to the back the house. 694 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: The fucking equipment man's out there. 695 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: I have to break in this bag and get some 696 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: new tys and put all this ship on. Missed my 697 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: missed the starting lineup, call bos out there for the 698 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: tip of the game. 699 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: Shower. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't murder. I felt 700 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: sorry for had. I had to wear some toilet paper. 701 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: I got a towel and wipe. 702 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: You got all that in the bottom, and then I did. 703 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: I had tape on still take a playoff basketball games. 704 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: But I saw that that tourtoll the motherfucker the stomach. 705 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: Oh man, So I was superhuman. I'm kind of happy 706 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: that they stopped using it. I kept using that ship. 707 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I was taking it so much that in 708 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: practices I couldn't even run into people, because like I 709 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: was used to just running the people, and I was like, 710 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I was so sore, like my ship was so fucked up, 711 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: and brothers, yeah, yeah, I had. I had surgery on 712 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: this one too, But I was so like fucked up 713 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: when I didn't take it that I couldn't even practice right. 714 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't even run into people. It was just hurt. 715 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: So I was like, bro, this ship is too good 716 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: almost when you take it exactly to the next season, 717 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: I think the NBA banded and then they went to 718 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: I celebrated, and then that's what they do now. Based 719 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: don't ship. Nah, you were from the worst like the 720 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: best ship to the worst ship, like like eight of 721 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: them bitches and you still don't feeling in size up 722 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: the number two pick six to Chicago, immediately traded to Portland. 723 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: Uh went one, Adam Morrison, three tires, Thomas Ford, Sheldon Williams. 724 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: Five. Damn, I'm looking at that. I know you like 725 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: boy Brandon Roy six. God damn, So you land you 726 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: end up landing with b Roy your rookie year. 727 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: B Roy gets off to a good start, there's not 728 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: really too many people in front of him. You get 729 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: there and there's Zebo. You know, everyone knows what kind 730 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: of motherfucker he was. So what was the beginning of 731 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: your Blazer journey? Your NBA journey? 732 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: Like each step was like nobody really believed, but like 733 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: it took one person to believe in me because like 734 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: I remember when I got drafted, Steven was like he 735 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: could have won twenty. He ain't gonna beat you know 736 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, bro, Like, let me 737 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: live a little bit, you know what I'm saying. So 738 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: I just got you, Like, Bro, I went from broke 739 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: to pay, like, let me at least have a night 740 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: to like, let me get a jumper up. Goddamn bro. 741 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: So and then I remember hearing like, bro, I'm big 742 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: on like motivation ship, which I look back at my career. 743 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's good and bad to take negative and 744 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: make him to like a you know, I'm sound like 745 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: motivation because like you spend your life looking at negative 746 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: shit too much. But anyway, I get there, and I 747 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: remember hearing that the like one of the gms is like, well, 748 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: he's the project, like we think he can be this, 749 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: but we're not sure. I'm like, damn a project at 750 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: number two that's kind of fucked up, Like you gotta 751 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: believe in me at number two. So I a bet 752 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: so I get there. Like day one, they were like, 753 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: b Roy's I guy, he's gonna play, We're gonna get 754 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: him touches like some eleaks all about him, all about him. 755 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: So I was like, fuck, I ain't really got a 756 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: chance to really try to shine because like they want 757 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: him and grant that motherfucker was cold, like I ain't 758 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: taking shit from he was cold, so that I really 759 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: didn't have an opportunity to really like try to shine 760 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I do give credit to Zebo that 761 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: nigga woo my ass in practice so much that I 762 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: learned how to get more physical. I learned how to 763 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: use my body. I learned so much from him in 764 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: practice because his thing was like this motherfucker trying to 765 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: take my spot straight up. So it's like every practice, 766 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm on your ass, boy. 767 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: So it was like, and this is back when the 768 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: stars were practicing in practice, two hour practice. 769 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: It wouldn't know, yeah, like you come in that bit, 770 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: You're about to get it. So it was like practices 771 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: was like battles with him. And I feel like I 772 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: grew so much from playing against him in prize because 773 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: he was like, oh my ass, and I started to 774 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: get better and better. So it wasn't really much opportunity 775 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: at first. And I remember I played one game with 776 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Zebo and I killed. Like my first game was against Dallas, 777 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: which was kind of kind of cool for me because 778 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas and I played good and shit. And 779 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: now I remember we had Ray for the Friends. He 780 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: had just signed a sixty So then Nate pulled me 781 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: in the office and he was like, hey, man, I 782 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: know you played good or whatever, but we got Ray 783 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: for the France making sixty million, so we got to 784 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: play him over you. I'm like, like, what's the goal here? 785 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: To win? Or just to play motherfuckers because they got 786 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: money or was I not just pick number two? Yeah? 787 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: So then so then I was back even more. So 788 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: we got Raife playing and he on the bench saying like, 789 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm over this shit so rayful, I don't want to play. 790 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: I want to play. So then I'm like fuck it. 791 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: So as long as they was sharp. We get to 792 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: the end of the season. I had been playing off 793 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: and on and Zebo he had broke his rich dumors 794 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: like some shit, like the last thirty games. So then 795 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: they were like, hey, z Bo's out, so you're gonna 796 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: start now. And I fucking balled the rest of the season. 797 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: I think I was like eighteen and like eight or 798 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: whatever the rest of the season. So that summer they 799 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: call and there it was Nate. He was like, do 800 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: you want to be my starting power for next I 801 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: was like, hell, yeah, I want to start next year. 802 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: He was all right, well, we're going to trade z 803 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: Bo next night Draft night they had traded Zebra the Clippers. Yeah, 804 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: and then that's how I got my opportunity to like 805 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: really start to plays. Because if you don't get hurt, bro, 806 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: I might not even get the opportunity to really so 807 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: like who I am? But he got hurt. Then I 808 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: got the last twenty five games like be me, and 809 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: then after that was good. So what was your could 810 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: you hear different things? 811 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: And obviously unless you're there, you don't know, and you 812 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: know sometimes it even may look different to you now 813 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: that you've been removed for so many years. But what 814 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: was your in b Roy's chemistry relationship? 815 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: Was there one? Was there one early on? Or yeah? No, 816 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: it was all good, bro, Like I never had any 817 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: any ill will towards him, and like, you know, like 818 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: same way. It's just the competitiveness, yeah, and like not 819 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: trying to make excuses. So you got two alpha us 820 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: and you're young, it's hard to learn how to be 821 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: Like I always called it Batman and Robin, Like it's 822 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: hard to be Robin when you want to be Batman 823 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: and you're both young. You know what I'm saying. You 824 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: have the talent to be Batman. Yeah, so it was 825 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: like a little tough for me in the beginning. But nah, 826 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: but he was cool with it, you know, like he 827 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: just did this thing or whatever, and like I was 828 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: kind of like always wanted more opportunity. I never really 829 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: got it. But now like we had no no issues, 830 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: Like we kicked it like that's when like you go 831 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: kick it in the club together, you know, go out 832 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: to eat together. It wasn't forced like to that, like 833 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: they forced the ship. But back then it was like, 834 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: let's just get out. We heard a story. 835 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: We don't know if it's true that you guys had 836 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: a Nike commercial shoot where you guys had like a 837 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: long kind of like conversation, hard to heart. 838 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 839 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: After that, Yeah, okay, you know it, we're doing our research. 840 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: You know who's a commercial? It was Greats right whose 841 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 2: commercial was? 842 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: It was Lebron, So that ship was already a battle 843 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: for the beginning. I think it was le Brun a couple. 844 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: I think it was Lebrun and they want us to 845 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: be in it or whatever. And I mean at that 846 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: time be Row was shaid at one point it was 847 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: like Kobe and him, like you know what I'm saying. 848 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Like so he was like, man, I shouldn't do this shit, 849 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm on the 850 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: same level as these motherfuckers, and like I respected it, 851 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: like I said, I gotta do it. I ain't there yet, 852 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. For me, I want any 853 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: type of pub I can get right now. So he 854 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: was like, he ain't want to do it, but I 855 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: think now he talked him into it. So then we 856 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: go down and we're in the trailer waiting for whoever 857 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: was whoever it was, and then it was like the 858 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: person was late to the shoot, so that we had 859 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: an extra two hours in the trailer. So we both 860 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: getting hot. So then yo, you know, you kind of 861 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: find coming ground or whatever. So we started talking and 862 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: then the person didn't do the shoots and then we 863 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: had anohing. So the long story shot, we in the 864 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: trailer flight four or five hours and we ain't did shit, 865 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: and you know, at that time you both kind of hot. 866 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, we ended up talking like hey, like you 867 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like let's try to fix shit 868 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: or whatever whatever. But it was never no issue. It 869 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: was like, how can we try to be better for 870 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: each other exactly like trying to and that type shit. 871 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, we did do that. I want to backtrack 872 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: a little bit. 873 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: When you get your your your first health scare, it's 874 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: right around the time the following you're if I'm not mistaken, 875 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: your mom was diagnosed with cancer. 876 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, O seven around that. Yeah, okay, what was that? 877 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: Like, I was, you know, that's how me and him 878 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: became brothers, you know, I mean we had that we 879 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: Believe season in O seven and November first, the beginning 880 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 2: of the next next season, my mom was diagnosed with cancer. 881 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: Died November twenty seven, so twenty six days, like I 882 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: found out and she was gone. And what was your 883 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: experience like with that? On top of your health scared? 884 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 2: Now you gotta worry about your mom as well? 885 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, she man, she was. I mean, I say great now, 886 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: but it was kind of fucked up. But she didn't 887 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: really tell me how bad it was, because you know 888 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: how it is when you're in season and when you 889 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: really practicing back in the day, like you tired, so 890 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: you go fucking battle, You're gonna take a fucking nap 891 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: for two hours after that shit. So I would talk 892 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: to her in the morning and I'll face you know 893 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: back then, back then it wasn't no FaceTime. I don't 894 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: think it might have been, I don't know, but anyway, 895 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: I would talk to her and then she was like, 896 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: you know, like she was good or whatever whatever, But 897 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: then she wasn't like she was really like going going 898 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: through it, like, so it was tough for me to 899 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: kind of focus on ball and all myself. But she 900 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: was really good about like putting it back on me, 901 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: like I'm good, I'm good, just for about yourself. But 902 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: she would be having some rough ast days, but they 903 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell me, you know what I'm saying. So then 904 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: I didn't find out too after she beat it that 905 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: it was really worse than when I knew because I 906 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: wasn't there. I'm in Poortland and that's just four hours away, 907 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: and she don't want to put that burden on you exactly, 908 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: like that exactly. So I get clear and I'm back playing. 909 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: But then she's still going through her going through chemo 910 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 1: and having terrible days. I mean, you know the drill. 911 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: So she's going through that and like I'm just hearing 912 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: that she's getting better, but they was like she couldn't eat, 913 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: she's throwing up, she fell down, you know what I'm saying. 914 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: So for me, it was tough because I didn't really 915 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: know what was going on. But you know, she's a 916 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: mom and she wants to protect her son, so she 917 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: kept shit from it. But it was tough. Man. Like 918 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: I remember we played in Dallas and I you know, 919 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm starting now. So she was like, I'm now no 920 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: matter what. I'm like, Nah, you got cancer, you know. 921 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you fighting going through 922 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: chemo and kee takes everything range and you know you're 923 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: real susceptible to getting sick. So that's why they said 924 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: that she shouldn't go. She would not let me like, Bro, 925 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: she was there. I bought her court she's courtseyed with 926 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: a mask, and I'm like, you shouldn't be here. But 927 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: I bought that obviously I had to. I balled out 928 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: and she was there. But then bro, after it's what 929 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: she didn't tell me is like, Bro, she got crazy. 930 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: So she had like a major setback because she got 931 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: sick after that ship, so she shouldn't have went, and 932 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: she didn't tell me, you know what I'm saying. So 933 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: it was like she was being strong, you know, like 934 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: for me, for her, but that she was tough. Bro. 935 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: We had Andre Miller too, and that motherfucker's are dog too. 936 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: I love playing with him. Always one of the smartest 937 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: motherfuckers you will ever play with. Two miles get anywhere 938 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: on the court. I have a story for him next. 939 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: But so then it's like we got him. So every 940 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: time we were healthy, I would be on the trade 941 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: block because it was like, well we really kind of 942 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: need them, but we don't and we can go get us, 943 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, like a three in the guy for him 944 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: because he's like good. But then Greg gets hurt, then 945 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we need you come back, and then 946 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: I would, you know, get the ball more. They would 947 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: play through me more so, Bro, it's like you need me, 948 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: you don't want me, you know what I'm saying. It's 949 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: like that shit was a lot to deal with. It's like, 950 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: if you want me to even when we got everybody healthy, 951 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: like just put me in like that that lamar odham 952 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: ro Like that's what I'm saying, Like just play through 953 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: me every now and then, because like that motherfucker was 954 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: cold and he wasn't Kobe or none of them motherfuckers, 955 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: but they needed them, you know what I'm saying. So 956 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: it's like put me in that row. But they never did. 957 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: It was always like when we were healthy, they didn't 958 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: need me, you know what I'm saying. So that was tough, 959 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: but not Greg was a monster. Bro. I never seen 960 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: nobody dominate like that. Like so easily. 961 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 2: It was crazy speak to be Roy's game though, you 962 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: know he was someone else that that maybe one of 963 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 2: the top five top ten with IFS type player. But 964 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 2: he was out the gates too. E would have gut 965 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 2: hurt bro out the gates. He was tough. 966 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: Shit was too easy for him, like playing with that 967 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: like playing with that nigga was it was too easy. 968 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: Like I remember the the thing that stands out to 969 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: me was like the fucking o Toronto game. Grand motherfucker 970 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: went up and he changed hands on wash and went 971 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: to the left in the air and like b it 972 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: was just he got in the gym andy work but 973 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: the shit was just but he couldn't work too much 974 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: cause of his knees. So it was like he found 975 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: the balance, bro. But like he would come in the 976 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: game that sho would be too easy for him, like 977 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: coach the motherfucking I remember him going there with Kobe 978 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: and Kobe giving him the respect kind of like Dame 979 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: did too, and got you know, got the same thing. 980 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: But I remember him and Kobe going at it, and 981 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: I remember after the game like Kobe was like he 982 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: got no weakness and Kobe said about you, that's that's real. 983 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: I don't think nobody win that Cob like like b 984 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: roying bro it they went at it went edit, they 985 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: weren't at it, bro. So to see them s to 986 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: see Cob, who we all had up here, and see 987 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: them go neck and neck like that, that show was 988 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: time and be holding his own holding his own. Bro 989 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: we going to LA and getting wins cause this motherfucker's 990 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: carrying us and like it was fun to watch too, 991 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: for sure, cause he was he was on that shit 992 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: like mm, he's buzzing. People asked for sure, what clicked, 993 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: uh year two you went from you went to eighteen 994 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: and eight airs in eighteen eight? What clicked to you too? 995 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: Opportunity That's all it is, opportunity belief Because I was like, 996 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: as I said, I battled with Zebo. If I can 997 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: battle with this motherfucker every day, all your other niggas 998 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: ya got jo food? Yeah, ain't got a chance. Yeah, 999 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: And like Zebo stamped me a little bit. I don't 1000 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: know if he would ever he did tell me like 1001 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: later in his career, but now he stammed me like 1002 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: he was like, bro, you're real like to have somebody 1003 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: of that caliber, like say, you know what I'm saying, 1004 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: Like he called me. He was like, bro, they gonna 1005 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: trade me, but I would love to play with you 1006 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: because you're good, you know what I'm saying. And it's 1007 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: like to have the battle with him and then have 1008 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: him really like stamp me like that, like that was cool, 1009 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: but nah, it was just opportunity, belief and then just 1010 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: having Zebo get me better that whole first year of 1011 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: like battling with him, and I just felt like in 1012 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: my mind it was like these motherfuckers then told me 1013 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: how I'm a project. I ain't good, you know what 1014 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I got everybody's list in my room. 1015 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: My motherfuckers just said I can't do this, and like 1016 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: it's time of like pretty motherfucker's wrong. So for me, 1017 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: it was more about either you're gonna show them that 1018 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: you are good or you know what I'm saying, or 1019 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: you gonna prove them right. So for me, it was 1020 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: just about proving everybody wrong. So I was just ready 1021 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: to just have my opportunity to just do that. You 1022 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: played in the area where it was it was a 1023 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: dominant four man era, real force. I'm gonna say some 1024 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: names and you tell him this first thing come to 1025 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: your mind, KG shit talking, but fade away, shit talking dirt, 1026 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: one leg, fade away all day. Tim Duncan fundamentals, Chris 1027 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: Bosh left hand. I'm gonna getting to that left. I'm 1028 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: gonna give you one who I'm high on. I always 1029 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: talk about Antoine jameson forward. Motherfucker scooping bro Bro first 1030 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: impossible to go, first time had guard on him, I was, 1031 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: I was shoot. I was like, he's like like he's 1032 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: all balanced, but he's not, and he's like leaning this 1033 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: way and the ship scooping under your arms, like he 1034 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: was tough, bro, and like nobody had ever talked to 1035 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: m talking about him like he was fucking cold. Twenty 1036 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: thousand points scored. That's crazy. I'm a right hand and 1037 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: with dunk o your ass. Every time we have some 1038 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: good battles. We had some great battles. I think that 1039 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: when I was with Brooklyn and talked about it, we 1040 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: had some great battles. But if you get that right 1041 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: here in half a step is over you in the 1042 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: fucking basket. Yeah, every time ten strong, strong, somebody you 1043 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: real familiar with Zebo fucking physical and it ain't gonna 1044 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: jump high as a fucking napkin. Like but gonna bust 1045 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,959 Speaker 1: your ass. If he smelled blood, are you dead? You're done? 1046 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: If he smelled blood, are you done? He used to 1047 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: try to motherfucking murder Blake. Every Jezy guy. 1048 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 2: Had to fight Zebo a couple playoffs and hard fouls 1049 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 2: just to take up for Blake, Like, man, I'm gonna 1050 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 2: put my life on the line for you. 1051 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: It is crazy because. 1052 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: He would try to destroy Blake, get him on the 1053 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 2: ground and hard elbow one or do some wrestling ship 1054 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 2: undergrounded ship was hilarious, the battles they had. 1055 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: And when I said I was kicking it with you, 1056 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: said she. But it was z Boy and Duse. It 1057 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: was rotatious. Brother, You go open up for us a 1058 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: little bit. We all done now. Yeah, yeahs is a 1059 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: real one too, man Like, I can't brother them like 1060 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: they They were good to me. Like I know, it 1061 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: was like the whole jail Blazers type, but they were 1062 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: good to me, man like. 1063 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: They even though those quote unquote, but those teams fucked 1064 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 2: with each other. It was just the outside media to 1065 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 2: put this stigma on that team. 1066 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: They were good to me. It was teams that was 1067 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: winning that wish. They had the camaraderie chemistry. Yeah, yeah, 1068 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: I could see that nine ten eleven first round exs Houston, Phoenix, 1069 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: and Dallas. We had Dirk on the show and Dirk 1070 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: said that the year they won the championship, the hardest shit, 1071 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: the hardest series was against you. It's series against you, 1072 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: which think what was the struggle? Don't have not having 1073 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: the right pieces? A little bit of coaching? Yeah, who 1074 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: was the coach at the time, Nate. I wouldn't say 1075 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: coaching because I'm not here, like yeah, yeah, yeah, my 1076 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: whole thing and it ain't about being scared. It's like 1077 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to look over there. Just look over there, 1078 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: you just look at it. That's yeah. My whole thing 1079 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: is like I'm trying to spread pot. You know what 1080 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I get you, But a little bit of coaching, 1081 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: Like we didn't make adjustments, bro, Like they would do 1082 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: something that bust ass and we would keep going the 1083 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: same way. Well you know, like what's the what's the 1084 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: definition of insanity? Like doing the same shit over and over? 1085 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: So but we never adjusted. I feel like maybe those 1086 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: teams are you know, like they were like more more 1087 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: seasoned than us because the Houston team, I think they 1088 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: had y'all and run or just run our test. I 1089 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: think that that teams is the one that beat us 1090 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: and I remember running balled out? Is that the series 1091 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: where you had, like that was the one that was 1092 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: James Harden series? That was James, but it was against 1093 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: the Rockets. Yeah, that's fifty back to back and something 1094 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: like that. Bro every I never realized that series made me. 1095 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: I guess so known, bro, Bro everywhere I go like 1096 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: that Houston series, I'm like, damn, But I played so 1097 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: many other games, Like that's the one you were, Bro, 1098 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: Those back to back games? Yeah was special. Yeah that 1099 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: was special. But that's the one that put me on 1100 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: the map. But no, that was the runout test team 1101 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: and like him and be roight about it a little bit. 1102 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: And then the Phoenix teams. Man, it was just Steve. 1103 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: Steve Nash just fucking tore, Like he just broke us apart. Bro. 1104 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: He would just pick us apart in the pick and 1105 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: roll and we didn't go out to pick and roll, right, 1106 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: and he. 1107 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 2: Just he just killed us. Dan First All Star Team 1108 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Best memory of that game that West Sauad 1109 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 2: was Cod kd Russ, Dirk, Steve Nash, the name a few. 1110 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,760 Speaker 2: What was your findest memory about your first experience. 1111 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: Just being in the brotherhood finally just fucking being stamped, 1112 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, being stamped and like finally 1113 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: being there and then but the biggest part for me 1114 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: was like the players who were there, like, man, you 1115 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: should have been here. You know what I'm saying, Like 1116 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: when the motherfuckers expect from your peers is more than anything. 1117 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: So like when for them to tell him, like, man, 1118 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: you should have been here, like that was even It's 1119 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: like like that was cool too. But I think just 1120 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: finally being in the club of you're like, damn, I 1121 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: made it, you know, I've been knocking on the door 1122 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: for like two years or whatever, and I'm finally here. 1123 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: And to have all those guys kind of like said 1124 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: I should have been there, Like that was dopeh. 1125 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 2: The fucking year Dame mid major point guard not really 1126 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 2: lla kind of hype at the beginning, you know, expectations 1127 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 2: are kind of unknown. When did you realize that that 1128 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 2: dame had some game. 1129 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: Ship right away? That motherfucker came in and he was him? 1130 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: But I I did ever, And I think he says 1131 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: on an interview and y'all could check it in fact 1132 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: check whatever y'all want to do. But he said, he's like, 1133 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: I never try to like stifle him though, you know 1134 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: how you got older vets and a big like don't 1135 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: do it like nah, like be you, bro, because we 1136 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be good until you figure this shit out. 1137 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: So I never told him like not to take a 1138 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, long gas free like before he was making 1139 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: them ships like you do now you know what I'm saying. 1140 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: So I never tried to stifle the process of him 1141 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: like himself. But he was good right away man, like 1142 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: in that series, like you said, when I was killing, 1143 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: I think he had back to back thirty and then 1144 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: he ended up making that crazy shot to win it. 1145 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: So for me, it was like I knew right away 1146 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: he was good, and I felt like I just wanted 1147 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: him to try to figure it out as soon as 1148 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: possible so we can start trying to win again. But no, 1149 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: he came in confident, as everybody know, like he's never 1150 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: lacked confidence and he always believed in his ability, so 1151 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: it was like him just figuring it out. And he 1152 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: had a game against Kobe too where he played well too, 1153 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: And I feel like Kobe kind of stamped him a 1154 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: little bit early too. So I feel like day one, 1155 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: like he came in like ready to go. 1156 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 2: How long do you feel like it took you guys 1157 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: to kind of get on the same page or find 1158 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 2: your chemistry or your rhythm together. I think it took 1159 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 2: effort on both both sides because I played with Dre, 1160 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 2: and Dre is like the ball will be in your 1161 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 2: hands like perfect, like go to the rim that'shits like 1162 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 2: above the room, like you know what I'm. 1163 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: Saying, He's got to tap that motherfucker. Yeah. So I 1164 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: went from that to like Dane was learning how to 1165 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: like play with a dynamic big, a dominant bigs. Like 1166 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: the passes were like more bounce passes and Dre was 1167 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: more of a chess pass so he would bounce that 1168 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: motherfucker high or to come you know, like hardware to 1169 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: come up high to you like that shit matter on 1170 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: your shot if you can just get that ship and really, 1171 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so exactly, So long long 1172 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: story short. I went home that summer and like I 1173 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: worked with coach Caleb who was with us, and I 1174 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: was like, I want to do bounced passes all summer 1175 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: because that's what they didn't gonna throw. So let me 1176 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: get used to this ship so he can do his 1177 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: normal pass and then I can catch that shit and 1178 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: I can, you know, I can cash out. So I 1179 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: spent the whole summer just working on bounce passes for him, 1180 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: and I feel like he started to try to work 1181 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: on his ship too, you know what I'm saying, like 1182 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: how to read my post ups? And so I think 1183 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: both sides just kind of put the effort in. I 1184 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: think that next season after that, we just kind of 1185 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: took off free agency hitting twenty fifteen season and Spurs 1186 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: were calling him. What do you remember about getting there 1187 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: with Tim? And Pop? Was e MA instrumental in that? Yeah? 1188 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got because he was one of you. 1189 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to say vests, but he was older than 1190 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,720 Speaker 2: you on the Portland team initially, So you guys developed 1191 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 2: up friendship there. 1192 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, like right away, he's solid, that's my dog. He 1193 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: takes me, I say, tell me course. But that whole 1194 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: process was tough because everybody thought I went into it 1195 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,759 Speaker 1: going straight to the Spurs, and I was like the 1196 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 1: real true story I don't know I've ever said on camera, 1197 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: is like I was in l a. I had a 1198 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: condo I was in. I was gonna buy that motherfucker. 1199 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,959 Speaker 1: After I signed, Like I told my agent, I said, 1200 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: the Lakers, this is theirs to lose. So I went 1201 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: into that She's like, this is there fifteen who was 1202 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: on that team? That was yeah, a bunch of young yeah, 1203 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: like young kids or whatever. So that I had my 1204 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: first meeting with Lakers didn't go well, Like I don't like, 1205 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: no knock against them, but they didn't do research. 1206 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 2: Who was still was it Jim Buss still at the 1207 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,919 Speaker 2: at the controls of the team at that time. 1208 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: I met Jennie Oh Jim Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met 1209 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: with her. Now, she was great. It wasn't her. It 1210 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: was the son. The miscalculation of me as a person 1211 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: like your son because the son was missing anything. It 1212 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: was like nah, it was just like they were like 1213 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,399 Speaker 1: I walk into the meeting, they were like, you're you're 1214 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: trending on Twitter and like if y'all y'all don't know 1215 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: me that well, but I don't give a funk about 1216 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: trending on Twitter. So as you like, I'm getting to 1217 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 1: the point of your questions. Like I go from that 1218 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: meeting of like they miscalculated me as a person to 1219 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: the Spurs know who I am. So it's like a 1220 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 1: family just like this, we kicking it. We eating, were 1221 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: talking Tim, you know what I'm saying, my new Pop 1222 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: and we just kicking it like this, and I'm like, well, 1223 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: this is who I am. So the vibe of understanding 1224 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: who I was as a person was just they get it, 1225 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. 1226 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 2: So initially your heart was in La and then you 1227 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 2: found comfort in San Antonio. 1228 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: Realness, yeah for sure. And then Phoenix did well because 1229 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 1: of Earl was with me in Portland, so he knew 1230 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: me too, So they came with the same shit of 1231 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: like he about family and like getting you know what 1232 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm sense Like that shit was kind of good too, 1233 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: So it ended up coming down to Phoenix and uh, 1234 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,919 Speaker 1: San Antonio. It's funny you say that because this same 1235 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: type of setting was the same way Timm and Pop 1236 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: got me. And they told me that I was start 1237 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I was about to start playing, 1238 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,479 Speaker 1: and just out the blue after practice on the road, 1239 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: call you in the room. They both sitting like this 1240 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: like you're in trouble. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, 1241 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: That's what you think I'm doing all the wrong ship. 1242 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: At that time, I just feel guilty. I don't know 1243 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm guilty. Yeah, but that's how they do it though. Man. 1244 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: They come together and make decisions. It's family, bro. So 1245 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: it's like I want. I went from an organization that 1246 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out how to have that and 1247 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,280 Speaker 1: hadn't figured it out. I went to organization that figured 1248 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: that ship out to a t and they gave it 1249 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: to me. They were like, we understand you have kids 1250 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: and you have family. Like Portland never offered my kids 1251 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 1: to come on the plane. He was like, whenever your 1252 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: kids don't get on the plane, just bring on the plane. Man. Like. 1253 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: So he he understood me and what they did, and 1254 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: like that's what I wanted. So my kids are on 1255 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 1: the plane, going on the road trips and stuff. It's 1256 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,799 Speaker 1: a lot the little ship like that much, bro, because 1257 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: when you when you going all the time, you can 1258 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: take your kids on the plane like that ship helps. 1259 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: They can experience it and they going back to school 1260 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: like I was on the Spurs place. Yeah about you, 1261 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,360 Speaker 1: it's crazy right. Yeah. Might be one of the first 1262 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: coaches that started that too, because they was doing that 1263 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: back in the whole three. 1264 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 2: That's just remember that's how they got they kept, Yeah, 1265 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 2: because remember that's how Doc fucked up the ship in 1266 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,800 Speaker 2: Orlando with Tim going to Orlando exactly playing exactly. 1267 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did hear it. I made that exception. 1268 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,799 Speaker 1: It was a great exception. Yeah, your first year there, 1269 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: y'all won sixty one games, sixty six seven six seven games, 1270 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: number one defense, number four offense, of course, and that 1271 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: in that system, having you into Tim Duncan with Manu 1272 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: and Kawhi, you know, of course y'all gonna win sixty 1273 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: seventy games. But I was like playing along Tim and 1274 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 1: having that core and being in that championship environment with 1275 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: that team. Shit was easy, bro, That shit easy with 1276 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: that ship. It felt easy. You know, we grinded. All 1277 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: you gotta do is your job is bro, And then 1278 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: you look up, You up thirty? What the fuck like? 1279 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: So then that's what hurts in the end. I will 1280 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: jump I won't jump forward too far. But now it 1281 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: was it was easy, bro. Like it was like you 1282 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: do your job, you play your role, and you up 1283 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: thirty and you're like, what the fuck? Like, Like I 1284 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,319 Speaker 1: ain't playing fourth quarter, It's like thirty, Like fifteen games 1285 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: in a row. You know what I'm saying, I ain't 1286 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: playing fourth quarter, and like we ain't practicing because you 1287 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 1: winning in fifteen in a row, lose, you know what 1288 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like we ain't really practicing like that. 1289 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: So that's why I had to learn my own balance. 1290 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: But I'm sure you had to of like going back 1291 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,280 Speaker 1: on your own or like getting your shit on your own. Yes, 1292 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,840 Speaker 1: keeping yourself shut, because the last thing he wants is 1293 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: somebody getting hurt in practice. He hate that somebody go 1294 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: down with a fake and stop done. Everybody out of here, bro, 1295 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,320 Speaker 1: every day, God damn PB. Like, so you got to 1296 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: find your own balance of how to keep your shit 1297 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: sharp because like that was my one downfall my first year. 1298 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, shit, I'm going on and you go 1299 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 1: home too many times, like ya should get weak. So 1300 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: I start going back on my own, like shooting on 1301 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,359 Speaker 1: my own, shooting on my own. But nah, bro, it 1302 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: was I was like for sure, like we're gonna win 1303 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: that shit. But then we ran into KD and OKC 1304 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,760 Speaker 1: round two and like I balled out the first game 1305 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 1: and then they came and we had him done, like 1306 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: by thirty the second game, I think they came back 1307 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: and won. But the issue was we were older. I 1308 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: wasn't old, but we were like mostly older, and we 1309 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: never got pushed, like we never got ourselves in like 1310 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,320 Speaker 1: playoff shape. So it's like we never got tested, you 1311 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying in our regular season, so it 1312 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,880 Speaker 1: was like we weren't playing the fourth quarter. So when you 1313 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 1: get into your first real match, it was like, damn, 1314 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: like we we ain't really in shape for this shit. 1315 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 1: And it wasn't no knock against Pop or anybody. It 1316 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,359 Speaker 1: was just like you gotta find that balance of how 1317 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: do I push my guys, but I don't want nobody 1318 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: getting hurt either. Then we're like really fucking good. So 1319 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 1: it's like how do you do this shit? So in 1320 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,319 Speaker 1: my opinion, like we we ran into okay, see young 1321 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 1: Bulls ready to go energetic, and we kind of fizzled 1322 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 1: out and then like they had more energy and they 1323 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: got three one. Yeah, we was up too old, and 1324 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,280 Speaker 1: they came back and beat us both straight in fourteen 1325 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: with San Antonio, they just they just was different than 1326 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: Bulls Bro. So it was different. It was we had 1327 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 1: them like the first game, we smacked the shit it 1328 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: was so easy. But I feel like we had David 1329 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: West and he hadn't played a lot that season, but 1330 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: then after he got tired, like Tim got tired. I 1331 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 1: even got a little tired because we had never been 1332 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: pushed enough to be in like playoff shape, you know 1333 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 1334 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, year two in San Antonio, Tim retires. You guys 1335 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 2: get pole sixty, wins uh Western Conference to get Golden State. 1336 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 2: Kevin and Steph Kawhi goes down. What's kind of the 1337 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 2: thought going into that series with you guys, Shit, it's 1338 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 2: our time? 1339 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: Like we had played the well all season. We went 1340 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: there game one of the season, it was T and 1341 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: T and we won, and we have to left that 1342 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,479 Speaker 1: bitch like if this is the best team, we good 1343 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: And we hadn't even got chemistry, Like if this is 1344 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 1: the best team, we were good, Like let's just keep building, 1345 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: keep getting chemistry. But we all right, So we get 1346 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: to that point and we were like, hey, we're back here, 1347 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: We're good. So then we get into the game. We 1348 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: up twenty something, We rolling like the same ship, and 1349 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: we had Jonathan Simmons. Yeah h time, So then he 1350 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: was killing for us too, So we had him ball 1351 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: and got Kawhi alling, I'm doing good. So it was 1352 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: just like ship was clicking. Kauhi goes down and you know, 1353 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,760 Speaker 1: like ship go to State defenses a fucking one. They 1354 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840 Speaker 1: doubled me in every which away. I can't get a 1355 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: good shot, you know. Like then Jay Simms is getting 1356 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: more more attention, and it's just shipped went from like 1357 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: sugar to ship real quick because Kauhi and now we're 1358 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: playing so good off of each other. He was balling, 1359 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: I was balling, and then without him, they were just 1360 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,280 Speaker 1: on our ass a little bit. 1361 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 2: Kauhi ends up having a falling out, makes some comments, 1362 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 2: which I mean someone who was in there, what is 1363 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 2: what do you feel like you could share or kind 1364 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 2: of shed some light on that. 1365 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 1: What happened? When somebody ready to go, they ready to go. 1366 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: That's all I gotta say about that. When somebody they 1367 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: ready to go, they even when you you've been, even 1368 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: when you're there, certain ship is never told to everybody, 1369 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: like some ship stays behind. So no one knows all 1370 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: the ship but them, you know what I'm saying, Like 1371 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: shit was going back and forth like with them, but 1372 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 1: we don't know what was going on and coming from 1373 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: our dynamic. You got to be a strong willed and 1374 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: a strong minded brother to make it on Santonio Spurs organization. 1375 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: Because Poppa is gonna test you and he's gonna he's 1376 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: trying to make you a better person, but he gonna 1377 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: put you in a lot of situations to test you. 1378 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He did it to me, 1379 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,640 Speaker 1: He did it to Kawai. He did to because of 1380 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: the color of people. But men to Kawhi couldn't take 1381 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: that ship. Okay, That's just what it was. Because we 1382 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: want a hoop. We don't want to be in the 1383 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: corner all. You know what I'm saying. We want we 1384 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 1: don't want to run pick a roll, you know what 1385 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that was kawhi attitude. He want he 1386 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: he really wanted the hoop, bro And when that when 1387 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: the injury stuff came down, how they didn't fight for 1388 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 1: him in public like Tony had. Tony had an injury 1389 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: and Tony was out a long time. Kawai never said nothing. 1390 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,520 Speaker 1: They was questioned about why kaw was out and Tony 1391 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: was like, well, I had the same injury and I 1392 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: came back questioning if he really hurt Own National TV 1393 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: that push him right out the door. Mmmm. But those 1394 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: that didn't. If you can see, that's a good ass 1395 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: paint over that, bro ship you see that ship at first, 1396 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: that a good ass pain. I'm a part of the organization. 1397 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying. I hear ship too, 1398 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it is what it is. Man. 1399 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna speak for nobody, but Bro, I think 1400 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,360 Speaker 1: he didn't want to like do all like the other 1401 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,840 Speaker 1: ship that popped it too, like the learning ship, He's 1402 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: want to hoop. He just wanted to Everybody don't want 1403 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,120 Speaker 1: to learn about Western Africa, learn the maps, and he 1404 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,080 Speaker 1: just wanted to hoop. But I ain't saying right or wrong. 1405 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Just didn't want to do that. He wants you just 1406 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 1: want to do and that's and that's really what they 1407 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: was paying him to do. Fast forward twenty twenty one. 1408 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 1: You go to the Nets, Brooklyn. What was it like 1409 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: playing with Katie, Kyrie and James Ship? Lay up? Ship 1410 01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: was easy? Getting lay up at the lay up corb spaced. Yeah. 1411 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: It's what's weird for me is same fucking team one 1412 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: year later and didn't play close to the same. It 1413 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: was weird, Bro, Like first year we had a lot 1414 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,880 Speaker 1: more movement. We had a lot more actions, pinned downs 1415 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: and and I'm getting layups and it's like the second year, 1416 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: like it was more stagnant, more more ISOs and stuff 1417 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: like that. I feel like that's what hurt a little bit. 1418 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,960 Speaker 1: But when you got three motherfuckers that can get a shot, 1419 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean three and a half, because I still could 1420 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: get a shot too, so it's like you kind of 1421 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 1: get to more ISO. But the first year it was 1422 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: way more movement, yeah, more continuity, backcuts. But it was easy, man, 1423 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Like good times. Man. Everybody was like about winning. I 1424 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: feel like when they got me, they were like, we all, 1425 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 1: we all want to go win one. We all, you know, 1426 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: like on the same page. We all want to go 1427 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: prove something. You know. Everybody had to prove something in 1428 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: their own way, you know what I'm saying. So it 1429 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: was just like everybody wanted to go prove it, and 1430 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,920 Speaker 1: shit just didn't work out. Twenty thousand grew up points 1431 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 1: seven times, All Star played with a handful of legends. 1432 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Are you at peace your career turned out? Nah? I 1433 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: wanted a ring bro because I feel like when I 1434 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: get to the five year mark and motherfucker started bringing 1435 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: like bringing me out like he got twenty thousand, he 1436 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: ain't out of the ring, which I feel like it 1437 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: is fucked up. I feel like I am you biased. 1438 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You appreciate it, we're all 1439 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 1: we're all biased for you. You put the work in 1440 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 1: for sure with yeah, but I think people gonna a 1441 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand my body of work. Not 1442 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 1: trying to be arrogant. I feel like it's I was 1443 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: in Portland so long. People don't really know those Portland 1444 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 1: days like that, like when I was really putting it in. 1445 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,720 Speaker 1: So it's like I think people know, like the the 1446 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: San Antonio days because they San Antonio, They're gonna be 1447 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: on T n T, you know, nine times out of 1448 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: ten and it's pop. And so I just feel like 1449 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: the body of work in Portland is a little overlooked. 1450 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: And that's when I became me because I was on 1451 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,840 Speaker 1: the West coast. You know what I'm saying. But I 1452 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: hope I get in. But if I don't like I 1453 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to steal anything from I 1454 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 1: think Westbrook said it or whatever, like somebody said, but 1455 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm already you know where I'm from and what I 1456 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 1: did and where I am now, I'm already hall of 1457 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,280 Speaker 1: Fame back at home, I'm a Hall of Fame together. 1458 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Like and again, it's it's with your peers. 1459 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 2: It's not the motherfucking writers and all these other people 1460 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,400 Speaker 2: that have to say. 1461 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: It's it's the. 1462 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 2: People that went to war against you and with you, 1463 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,080 Speaker 2: and what they say about appreciate that. 1464 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: Over two hundred million in career the back any NBA 1465 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: players signing big deals. What's your biggest piece of financial 1466 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 1: advice for and two questions and do you have any 1467 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: purchase you regret biggest financial I move a little different 1468 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 1: because I came from a different background. So for me, 1469 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,240 Speaker 1: it was like we appreciate more, Yeah exactly. So for me, 1470 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,840 Speaker 1: I wanted I want it. I would trust nobody. So 1471 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if y'all was like that 1472 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,439 Speaker 1: little picture with the little Asian guy with the tiny 1473 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: piece of papers, and like this is who he trust, 1474 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Like the list of people ye of as small as 1475 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: as me. Bro, So I got I got to look 1476 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,880 Speaker 1: at it with magnet. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 1477 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: the way I'm talking about. But so I got to 1478 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 1: two groups that take care of my money, and I 1479 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: wanted it because I wanted to make sure that they 1480 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 1: want and they can watch each other a little bit. 1481 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,920 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, because you know, you 1482 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: can't steal from me if he wants the other half 1483 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,680 Speaker 1: of my money and he watching it, and vice versa. 1484 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell on him because he wanted all exactly. 1485 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,680 Speaker 1: So if you fuck up a little bit, he gonna 1486 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: let me know, you know what I'm saying. So for me, 1487 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,919 Speaker 1: that's how I wanted to know Mark. But I would say, man, 1488 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: you don't like I know that that would be a 1489 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: pa all they wanted to say, like save it, like 1490 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: you gotta stay, but you gotta live too, because if 1491 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 1: you wait too long to live, you're gonna be retired 1492 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,680 Speaker 1: with no money coming in trying to go live, you 1493 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:51,919 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I feel like you got 1494 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: to have a balance of have a goal of what 1495 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: you want to save, but also live a little bit. 1496 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,439 Speaker 1: Because I live and I'm still well off, I'm good. 1497 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: But if I wouldn't have lived, and I'm trying to 1498 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,520 Speaker 1: do it now because I'm trying to like search for 1499 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: that happiness, I'll be burning through my mind and to 1500 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 1: feel that gap of retiring exactly I gonna do now, 1501 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 1: and then you burning money when you ain't got that 1502 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: money coming in like that, So I always say, man, 1503 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,360 Speaker 1: save as much as you can, but also live a 1504 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: little bit. Like Bro, you're killing yourself on the court. 1505 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: You grinding every day. Your life is basketball, So get 1506 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 1: some shit to make you happy. Go by fast. Nobody 1507 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,080 Speaker 1: never told me that five. I knew that after real live, 1508 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I think about saving. I wouldn't 1509 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,320 Speaker 1: go that far. I'm gonna live first. I think about 1510 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,200 Speaker 1: saving after I live. You gotta save. He still might 1511 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,640 Speaker 1: be in a living face. Yeah, I can't look at it. 1512 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Look at me. I was living. You gotta save so 1513 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,080 Speaker 1: then when you're done, like I would also put this 1514 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: in there, you gotta save. So if your ship in 1515 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 1: like my ship, and I thought I was gonna play 1516 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: til forty, if you just wake up and you got 1517 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: a hard ship, you know what I'm saying. Like I 1518 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: was good no matter what. So you gotta save because 1519 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,760 Speaker 1: you don't know how long this shit goes last? A right, 1520 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: you know how they say that ship the NBA PA whatever, 1521 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,560 Speaker 1: the average is three point five motherfuckers going in for 1522 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: two years and lead you never see him again. Everybody, 1523 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:14,480 Speaker 1: don't play sixty in your draft. Yeah, facts though, but 1524 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that's what I said. That shit was terrible. But so 1525 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,360 Speaker 1: you gotta think about we all want to be like, 1526 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm playing until forty I'm gonna get two hundred mil. 1527 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,440 Speaker 1: But you it's not guaranteed. You gotta say something. But 1528 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: just imagine how bron gonna have these motherfuckers thinking I 1529 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,960 Speaker 1: can play time forty five. 1530 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 2: It's only one of them. Motherfuckers. Don't believe that. Don't guys, 1531 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 2: don't allow that ship. That is not your path. No, 1532 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 2: all right, man, we appreciate we got quick hitters, first 1533 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,560 Speaker 2: team to come on. But I think before I say that, 1534 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to say, man, we appreciate you coming and 1535 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 2: open up, you know what I mean, Like you're one 1536 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 2: of them star players that we got a chance to 1537 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 2: play against. But you just who you are as a person. 1538 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 2: You're not talking about yourself, you're not posting all the 1539 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,560 Speaker 2: ship you're doing. So it's always kind of like, damn, 1540 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,240 Speaker 2: he had a hell of game, but what happened to him? 1541 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 2: So it's good to others. You're doing well. Man, you're healthy. 1542 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,760 Speaker 2: Appreciate how you saved your money. Sure, but I know 1543 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,480 Speaker 2: you are smoke with a junior high to try to 1544 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 2: get up. 1545 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Team transferred to transfer. 1546 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 2: But quick hitters, man, So the first thing come to 1547 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 2: your mind. Let us know the best piece of advice 1548 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,439 Speaker 2: you ever received, quick hitters. I'm over here taking my time. 1549 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:25,919 Speaker 2: Never get out work. 1550 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I worked. If you if you out work every motherfucker 1551 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,840 Speaker 1: in the room that you should be on. That's what 1552 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: you plus four on the Blacktop. 1553 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 2: So you might need to fight. Ain't no refs who 1554 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 2: you start five? Man, that's that's tough. Me plus four 1555 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 2: it was on a Blacktop team. 1556 01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 1: I was I would take I'm gonna take y'all too. 1557 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take ze Bo that's four, and I'm gonna 1558 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: take uh Andre Miller. Oh yeah, they don't really know, 1559 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: you know. 1560 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,920 Speaker 2: So you said you had so tell us tell us 1561 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:18,840 Speaker 2: your Dre Miller story. 1562 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. So first year with him, and I 1563 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 1: had never played with an elite elite because I you know, 1564 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: I hadn't played with Dame yet and beat rose it two. 1565 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,040 Speaker 1: So my first elite, I want to clear it up. 1566 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,320 Speaker 1: First elite PG for is like you don't say being smart. 1567 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Long story short, that's when I was like starting to kill. 1568 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: So team was like doule timmy like they were front 1569 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 1: of me, like I couldn't get the ball. You know. 1570 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,720 Speaker 1: He talks all hot and then we were cool. But 1571 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,519 Speaker 1: I was cool with him, but he would always call 1572 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 1: me Marcus Owers. I'm like, bro, stop calling me that. 1573 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,080 Speaker 1: So we end the game. He said my whole long 1574 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 1: ass name, like bro stop, but he was like, Mark's older. 1575 01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: Just come here, and I'm like, bro first, like stopped 1576 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:01,920 Speaker 1: calling me that. But you know what I'm saying. He 1577 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,200 Speaker 1: was like, hey, when you're on the block, just go 1578 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: to the rim. I'm like, Drake, I can't see you. 1579 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Don't worry about just go to the rim. Like man, 1580 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,720 Speaker 1: he tripping, I can't even see this nigga. I was like, 1581 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I bet we're on the block. I'm getting in front 1582 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: of it. I spent and go to the rim. That 1583 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,320 Speaker 1: motherfucker is right there. I was like, oh my god. 1584 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we're good now. And that's the 1585 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,599 Speaker 1: year we let the whole league in lobs. Bro, Like 1586 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: that was that year? Bro? You from me? Like I 1587 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: just turned that motherfuckers into my hand, Like it was crazy. 1588 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,400 Speaker 1: How easy was great? Lives? Just spent to the rim. 1589 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,240 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, bro, I can't see you, 1590 01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 1: so I can't see the ball. Don't worry about it, bro. 1591 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 1: That ship, that ship was right there. Man, he's funny. 1592 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: Ever call you your nickname? Or was it always Mark? 1593 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,320 Speaker 1: One time out in the car, I think he called 1594 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: me l A. But he you know what I'm saying. 1595 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:53,040 Speaker 1: He had bro, No, he won't mind this story, bro. 1596 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: So we we we in l A. Bro, we didn't 1597 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,639 Speaker 1: live having a good ass time this black. I think 1598 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: we had. We had been winning and winning and winning. 1599 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,559 Speaker 1: So we got to tell you what. It's the whole 1600 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 1: crew and like we asked him to go out, but 1601 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he said he wanted to. Long story shart, bro, 1602 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,200 Speaker 1: y'all know this niggas, y'all gonna get it. We in 1603 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,880 Speaker 1: the club, we having a good time, We kicking it. 1604 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: We on the Floyd left. You know, it's the vibe 1605 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,559 Speaker 1: down there. We looked to the left and the corners. 1606 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: The nigga by himself just chilling. It was Dre like 1607 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 1: what the fuck you're doing in this spot? By oh 1608 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: y'all good bro, y'all good bro in the spot by 1609 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,640 Speaker 1: himself like right behind us in the corners, Doug as 1610 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: the motherfuckering the corner. It's Dre just kicking it by himself. 1611 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Bro said, like, what's up are y'all? Y'all good broun 1612 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,080 Speaker 1: y'all know. I'm like, he'll give a Baron Davis have 1613 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,719 Speaker 1: that same type of little bit like that were laying 1614 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,840 Speaker 1: in Dallas. He right to the skating ing. Y'all want 1615 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,639 Speaker 1: to go skating with me? Like? Bro? Like how random 1616 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: iss is? Like he I grew up. He in the 1617 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,760 Speaker 1: hood where I grew up. Niggas. He was like, Yo, 1618 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: Dre here, I'm like in the hood. Yeah, Bro's skating 1619 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 1: dancing Like Bro, I'm like, he a real one. He 1620 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: had where I grew up. When he skateing by himself, 1621 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: pulled up by himself, he got his own skates with him. 1622 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,559 Speaker 1: I was here. 1623 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,759 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good childhood crush. 1624 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:18,679 Speaker 1: That's tough. As I've gotten older, I realized people say 1625 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,240 Speaker 1: she had a real one, but uh, I stay, she 1626 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,760 Speaker 1: dashed in the crush. I mean in the videos Bro, 1627 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: early on station when you were young, she was bad. 1628 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,240 Speaker 1: She was bad. Bro. He was like, Bro, she's slid. 1629 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,160 Speaker 1: She think a little bit, Bro, she was silent. 1630 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,720 Speaker 2: So some of somewhere along line she crashed, but so 1631 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,160 Speaker 2: not that not the one now, but maybe you could 1632 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,680 Speaker 2: have changed her. 1633 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: I would have tried. I should have gaven an opportunity. 1634 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 1: I would have tried something. You wish it was better 1635 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,679 Speaker 1: at just in life. I don't have to be sports. 1636 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,599 Speaker 1: More music talents. I used to play the piano back 1637 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,599 Speaker 1: in the day. I didn't use it, so I kind 1638 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,960 Speaker 1: of lost it. But I wish I was one of 1639 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,519 Speaker 1: them niggas that can just pull out a fucking guitar 1640 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,360 Speaker 1: and ship and just you know, I ain't gonna do 1641 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: that ship. Nah. I didn't say a fucking singer. I 1642 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 1: just said, you know what I'm saying. I like music 1643 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,800 Speaker 1: a lot. You want to do with my pa if 1644 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,760 Speaker 1: I had a fast car, like and I got a 1645 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,640 Speaker 1: fast car I love. I got a couple of fans exactly. 1646 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: That's me right there. But more music type ship good guilty, 1647 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: guilty pleasure cars. Got a car collection not as much now, 1648 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: low key, not as much now, uh seventy six Chevy 1649 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Chapelle nine and Paula uh Ram t Rex truck, uh 1650 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:54,080 Speaker 1: Rose Roy's coloring and made back two tone uh dode, 1651 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean the Defender. Friend drove a Defender and then 1652 01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:03,960 Speaker 1: I got a uh to Marten uh brough uh the 1653 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,600 Speaker 1: new Bronco and I'm missing one more escalator the I 1654 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,960 Speaker 1: have a few houses too, So these ages all marked 1655 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 1: there outside my ship though it is yeah, yeah, yeah, 1656 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,880 Speaker 1: I got the one that's the Raptor addition, So it's 1657 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:25,959 Speaker 1: a little bit faster to like fast call best shooting 1658 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:34,960 Speaker 1: American big man of all time, with you sure to 1659 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,160 Speaker 1: break your arm yourself on the back. I gotta go 1660 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 1: with Dirk Man America. Oh you're right, you're right, American. 1661 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. You're trying to give you 1662 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to your ship. You go throwing 1663 01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,479 Speaker 1: me alive. I don't want y'all right now, y'all tell 1664 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,760 Speaker 1: me just go to the rim. And I want to 1665 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: go to the rim. Bro. I'm telling you'll work smarter 1666 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: than that all. I'm telling you to turn the face. 1667 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah me bro, Like I did that ship 1668 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,040 Speaker 1: at a higher level for a long time. Not trying 1669 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: toot my horn, but I feel like not in night 1670 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: Out like consistent. The shot that everyone said was a 1671 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,640 Speaker 1: bad shot for everybody else, it wasn't bad for me. 1672 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:19,040 Speaker 1: So me there you go. If you could see one 1673 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,519 Speaker 1: guest on our show who would it be? But but 1674 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:27,840 Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show. Uh, 1675 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be watching him trying to make sure 1676 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: I say something that's been on here. Y'all had robbery. Yeah, 1677 01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,680 Speaker 1: we have a big shot because I feel like I 1678 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,640 Speaker 1: wanted to start a show and just I wanted to 1679 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,479 Speaker 1: tell his story. But y'all already kind of got to 1680 01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,040 Speaker 1: it because that was a winner, bro. But don't get 1681 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,439 Speaker 1: talked about it though. But people don't respect that because 1682 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't the stars of the team but his but 1683 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: the shots he made, he was bigger than any big superstar, 1684 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,120 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So shifted because he didn't want 1685 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: to get found. He even said that ship publicly and 1686 01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,640 Speaker 1: then he knocked that bit. Like, Bro, he's made some 1687 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,440 Speaker 1: big had shots for a bunch of the best shooters 1688 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,519 Speaker 1: in NBA history that especially behind the three point line, 1689 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,599 Speaker 1: can't make shots in the last two, last thirty seconds 1690 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,720 Speaker 1: of the game. He is proven in history. He came 1691 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,439 Speaker 1: off the bench ice colder one like the motherfucker down. 1692 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:27,439 Speaker 1: So uh y'all had uh sea bosh yep, yep, early, 1693 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,639 Speaker 1: How was that one good? During the pandemic though, wasn't it? Yep? 1694 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,080 Speaker 1: I fucked with We competed when we were younger. We 1695 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,280 Speaker 1: played on the same uh AU team too for a 1696 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:44,920 Speaker 1: little bit. Brenda, Uh this this painting was saying Brandon Royal, 1697 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,559 Speaker 1: damn that that motherfucker talk to No, we haven't had him. 1698 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,280 Speaker 1: You haven't had Brandon? Right? No? Why we didn't think 1699 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:59,920 Speaker 1: of that? Yeah? No, shut up, he didn't. Y'all have 1700 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: g Greg? Who Greg Oden? No? I want to. I 1701 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 1: want to hear his story, bro. I feel like. 1702 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,760 Speaker 2: Decided I started phlling him maybe like a year ago, 1703 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,040 Speaker 2: and just kind of because I didn't know where he 1704 01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,639 Speaker 2: was either, I started following him and kind of see 1705 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:18,080 Speaker 2: he went back to school coaching and stuff and liking 1706 01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 2: this stuff. And I sent him a DM and he 1707 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,160 Speaker 2: just read it. It left me on seeing so but 1708 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,479 Speaker 2: I didn't have no relationship with him. Put that good 1709 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,120 Speaker 2: word in press line. Yeah you no bad dude either. 1710 01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,559 Speaker 2: I decided that he has. 1711 01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:30,600 Speaker 1: A hell I mean, he has a hell of a 1712 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: story to tell. I want to. I want to hear 1713 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: his story because I feel like, bro, he gets so 1714 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,639 Speaker 1: so thissed or like dismissed. You know what I'm saying, 1715 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,120 Speaker 1: I feel like he need to tell his side of 1716 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: the story, like bus can't even be put next to 1717 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,240 Speaker 1: his name in the same sentence because when he was healthy, 1718 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,559 Speaker 1: he was he was doing that fucking proud. But how 1719 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,599 Speaker 1: good would you be with one leg longer than the other, 1720 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Like could you even dominate at all if your ship 1721 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,880 Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, I had two good legs, 1722 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: couldn't do. So let's just put it that way. So 1723 01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,639 Speaker 1: now I think I think he deserves it to tell 1724 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,400 Speaker 1: his story on a safe space and this is will 1725 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 1: be honored. Yeah you know what I'm saying, and let 1726 01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,800 Speaker 1: him control his own there. Ye yeah, I think cool. 1727 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,360 Speaker 1: All right, man, Well that's a wrap. 1728 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,600 Speaker 2: L A again we man, We appreciate you spending some 1729 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,880 Speaker 2: time and and and giving the world a chance to 1730 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,479 Speaker 2: get to know who you were, because again, you were 1731 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:15,519 Speaker 2: one of the great players. 1732 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 1: Don't talk much, but come to find out you're cool, 1733 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,120 Speaker 1: cool as ship. Appreciate the time. We uh, we'll catch you. 1734 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,000 Speaker 1: You know where to find us. What's the all Later