Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We just had a great experience in Dallas. We were
Speaker 1: on the ground for the Tyson Paul fight and forgive
Speaker 1: that fire alarmer in the new building and someone either
Speaker 1: must be smoking up a storm or burning bacon. Shit's
Speaker 1: been going off for about thirty minutes now, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna get through it. For most of you that don't
Speaker 1: know all the smoke was able to recover? Is that
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Speaker 1: us in front of ten million avid fight fans with lessing,
Speaker 1: but that with those numbers, we were able to partner
Speaker 1: with Netflix and be a part of this amazing week
Speaker 1: they had. And before we actually get to the week,
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge shout out to Netflix.
Speaker 1: I mean from the time they picked me up at
Speaker 1: my house, they got me to lax, they moved someone
Speaker 1: else's seat so I can have a more comfortable seat.
Speaker 1: They walk me out onto like the tarmac where the
Speaker 1: planes were, and drove me in a car to like
Speaker 1: a different terminal. I didn't even have to go in
Speaker 1: the loading area. I got to walk right up the
Speaker 1: stairs to the plan. I really felt like I was somebody,
Speaker 1: and that's because of Netflix. When we got to Dallas,
Speaker 1: they had people they're ready for us, that grabbed our luggage,
Speaker 1: took us to the hotel, any questions, anything, took care
Speaker 1: of myself. The whole team even got rooms for my
Speaker 1: twins last minute. So we want to thank everyone in
Speaker 1: Netflix for rolling out not only the red carpet for us,
Speaker 1: but for everybody. This was one of their first live
Speaker 1: major sporting events. You know, obviously they did a hot
Speaker 1: dog eating contest, but I think this Paul and Tyson fight,
Speaker 1: with the numbers they did, showed that live sports is
Speaker 1: definitely in their future. Amazing event, amazing night, and definitely
Speaker 1: want to show some love to Netflix. Outside of the
Speaker 1: actual fight, we got a chance to shut up, set
Speaker 1: up shop out there, sat down with some of Netflix's
Speaker 1: VIP guest, sat down with the One and Only Doc,
Speaker 1: had an amazing conversation with him and really looking forward
Speaker 1: to you guys seeing that and what's a store for
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty five. Also sat down with said
Speaker 1: the entertainer who had us laughing the entire time, but said,
Speaker 1: they said, you came to the fighting some bullshit, and
Speaker 1: they were on you on in the internet something about
Speaker 1: coming to America, and I don't really know Sab, but
Speaker 1: you know, you're still my guy, and I'm Mari Hardwick.
Speaker 1: My brother Mari Man had sat down and had a
Speaker 1: real dope, deep conversation with him. So looking forward to
Speaker 1: you all the Smoke fans catching those episodes. And also
Speaker 1: had a chance for the first time to do Art
Speaker 1: of Smoke, a name that Jack came up with with
Speaker 1: the on the Fly with myself, Stack, Roy Jones, and
Speaker 1: Andre Ward had a great time the pre fight for Netflix.
Speaker 1: So we had a great time doing that. So I
Speaker 1: say all that to say, man, we had a great
Speaker 1: time in Dallas. Thank you to Netflix, Thank you to
Speaker 1: all of our guests. Read a new point in the
Speaker 1: way people consume content. Streaming services are huge, you know obvious.
Speaker 1: You know Netflix crashed a few different times, but I
Speaker 1: think overall it was definitely a successful night. That just
Speaker 1: means a ton of people and a ton of traffic
Speaker 1: were on the site. We know that Netflix has signed
Speaker 1: a deal with WWE. Starting in twenty twenty five, all
Speaker 1: Monday night raws will be on there. They have a
Speaker 1: Christmas Day game where they just announced that Beyonce will
Speaker 1: be performing. I really see the sky being the limit
Speaker 1: for Netflix, and it was honored to be a part
Speaker 1: of that. And we hope you keep us in mind
Speaker 1: for all your other live events. Hope you guys enjoyed
Speaker 1: the fight. Obviously, you know the Mic and Jake fight.
Speaker 1: We were wrong with our predictions, but I think overall
Speaker 1: it was a win. But to get a little bit
Speaker 1: deeper into that conversation, let me bring in my brother,
Speaker 1: Roy Jones, the newest member of the All the Smoke
Speaker 1: Fight family.
Speaker 2: Roy was going on, man, how you feel it?
Speaker 1: Good? Good? First of all, I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: Obviously we got a chance to really sit down while
Speaker 1: we were in Dallas. But man, it's just it gives
Speaker 1: me goosebumps what I just said. To know the fact
Speaker 1: that we have an opportunity to have you in the
Speaker 1: mix with us, all your experience and your knowledge of
Speaker 1: the game is really going to take us to another level.
Speaker 1: So I personally want to thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: coming coming into the family.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you guys for having me and
Speaker 2: you andres Stack. I want to thank all y'all for
Speaker 2: having me. Man, It's like it's a dream come true
Speaker 2: to have such a team around me, to be a
Speaker 2: part of such a team. So I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: guys coming and inviting me to come.
Speaker 1: On board, no doubt, no doubt. Well, let's get to
Speaker 1: what we're here for. How was your experience? You got
Speaker 1: a chance to call the fight an electric evening? What
Speaker 1: was it like for you?
Speaker 2: My experience calling the fight was cool. It was just
Speaker 2: a little bit like, you know, you like, you just
Speaker 2: want to make sure Mike is okay, because Mike is
Speaker 2: a legend, and you don't want to see a legend
Speaker 2: get humiliated or embarrassed. Although he is a legend and
Speaker 2: he didn't make good money, you still don't want to
Speaker 2: see him get embarrassed nor humiliated. So that good. Nobody
Speaker 2: got hurt, and that was the main thing for me.
Speaker 2: He got his money, he got out, so I'm just
Speaker 2: glad for him, you know absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some numbers because I just think
Speaker 1: the overall night was a success. Seventy thousand people in attendance,
Speaker 1: They got nearly eighteen million dollars at the gate. Sixty
Speaker 1: five million people watched the Tyson Paul fight per Netflix.
Speaker 1: Per Netflix, fifty million watched the Serrano Taylor fight to me,
Speaker 1: which was the best fight of the night that would
Speaker 1: put it at one of the most watched women's sporting
Speaker 1: events in US history per Netflix. Let's start with that,
Speaker 1: that that pre fight Serrano and Taylor. I was there,
Speaker 1: you were obviously calling it. What was your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Because I know that Serrano, through the most punches per
Speaker 1: female copy box numbers, she landed one hundred and seven
Speaker 1: more punches landed out a higher clip. I think we
Speaker 1: all saw those butts by Taylor, but somehow she still
Speaker 1: lost in a unanimous decision when they also took a
Speaker 1: point away from Taylor. So I mean, from my point
Speaker 1: of view, the scoring was a little crooked. But what
Speaker 1: did you think?
Speaker 2: Let me say, let me say a few things. I'm
Speaker 2: glad you bought this up, and I want to say
Speaker 2: this without having any disrespect to anybody, because that's how
Speaker 2: I'm here for. But you got to kind of call
Speaker 2: it like you see it, you feel mean, I think,
Speaker 2: first of all, for Soronto's side, I think both fights
Speaker 2: could have easier just as well with to Sono as
Speaker 2: they did to Katie Tailor. Now my thing is, your
Speaker 2: promoter is promoting to fight. The first fight is in
Speaker 2: your backyard. I feel like you want the first fight
Speaker 2: bigger than you want the second, if you want it.
Speaker 2: But they didn't give you the fight in your own backyard,
Speaker 2: and your guys are promoting to fight. That's kind of
Speaker 2: strange to me. First Secondly, this time, I think Katie
Speaker 2: called the gallup bit better, and I thought Katie did
Speaker 2: better in the second fight than she did in the
Speaker 2: first fight. But if they didn't give you the first
Speaker 2: fight in your own hometown and you got the promoters,
Speaker 2: why would I think they're gonna give you the second
Speaker 2: fight When Katie actually came up and did a bit better.
Speaker 2: You almost heard you heard it in the first round,
Speaker 2: but that's the only time you really to hurt her.
Speaker 2: She actually choose some pretty decent blows the second time.
Speaker 2: That was kind of telling. And so it was like,
Speaker 2: both you guys now in the great power shots, she
Speaker 2: probably just as many as you. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought it was a great fight. I
Speaker 2: really thought a Manda probably edged out again. But I
Speaker 2: didn't expect them to give it to Manda, because if
Speaker 2: they didn't give it to her in our hometown, where
Speaker 2: you I really thought she probably really wanted I didn't
Speaker 2: expect them to give it to her own equal turf
Speaker 2: because it just don't happen that way. So now the
Speaker 2: part about the head, But Katie Taylor is part of
Speaker 2: the reason female boxes even in the Olympics. Katy Taylor
Speaker 2: had to dress as a boy to be able to
Speaker 2: fight in the UK because they didn't allow women to fight.
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor has done so much for female fighting that
Speaker 2: to go be a cheat and to try to intentionally
Speaker 2: but somebody will be against everything Katy Taylor ever stood for.
Speaker 2: She stood sport just as hard as a harder than
Speaker 2: most people that are doing. So why would she want
Speaker 2: to go do something stupid like intentionally hitbut to give
Speaker 2: something a black guy that she works so hard and
Speaker 2: so diligently to even get accepted. I just don't see that. So,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that I prefer to Katy Taylor
Speaker 2: over the Mende Souana. No. I think Amanda, like I said,
Speaker 2: could have won both of those decisions. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I don't think Katy was trying to intentionally
Speaker 2: but nobody, because that's just not who Katie really is.
Speaker 2: If you know, Katy, and know what Katy has been through,
Speaker 2: and know the struggles Katy has done, has been through
Speaker 2: the fight for this sport of woman boxing. You know
Speaker 2: that she don't want to do nothing to give this
Speaker 2: sport a black guy. That's why she say it right away.
Speaker 2: She knows it was a close fight. She knows she
Speaker 2: may have not won. That why she say it right
Speaker 2: away after the fight. Of course I'll do it again.
Speaker 2: Why would she not a person that thought they are
Speaker 2: won for real? Bit do this again? No, she didn't say,
Speaker 2: she said, of course, I do it again. She know
Speaker 2: it was She knew it could have gone either way,
Speaker 2: just like the person could have.
Speaker 1: Obviously gonna respect you know your point of view and
Speaker 1: what she stood up for boxing. But I thought she
Speaker 1: a couple of them butts, I thought a couple of
Speaker 1: them things were intentional. But I think my next question
Speaker 1: to you is how much does the actual visual of
Speaker 1: someone's eye you know what I mean? The cut she
Speaker 1: had was nasty rider broo. How much does that play
Speaker 1: into the judge's decisions and your experience?
Speaker 2: It sounds like it played a lot until it this time,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it does because some judges take that as
Speaker 2: though okay, you're we can fight it. But a man
Speaker 2: of fault just as good and just as hard. Even
Speaker 2: with that cut them, she showed that she had the
Speaker 2: heart of a champion, heart of alliance, So that should
Speaker 2: not have been taken into any kind of consideration because
Speaker 2: that cut didn't stop her nor slow her down at all.
Speaker 2: She kept doing what she was doing. And like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she didn't win to fight, you know,
Speaker 2: to fight. To me, both fights could have gone either way.
Speaker 2: And me the first thing in New York, I thought
Speaker 2: for sure they were gonna give it to her a
Speaker 2: man because she was at home. But they didn't. So
Speaker 2: they didn't give her the first one. I definitely didn't
Speaker 2: think they were gonna give her a.
Speaker 1: Sephone Taylor got the biggest purse that any woman's ever received, right,
Speaker 1: a little bit over six million dollars. That's great.
Speaker 2: That's that's eye opening, eye opening and groundbreaking for women's boxing.
Speaker 2: All she's doing is still her and Amanda is eye
Speaker 2: opening and groundbreaking for women's boxing. So I can't sit
Speaker 2: there and say all she does, how could she be
Speaker 2: She's trying to advocate for something that people didn't want
Speaker 2: to accept and she's making it making they are making
Speaker 2: people accept it. But look how hard they're fighting. They
Speaker 2: giving us a fight that the men don't give it
Speaker 2: that good to fight sometime most of the time that's
Speaker 2: the afraiser of women. If you feeling so, how could
Speaker 2: you not accept that and be appreciable. Yeah, the judges
Speaker 2: may mess it up some true, but this is boxing,
Speaker 2: and you guys are making monumental steps and female boxing
Speaker 2: steffs that never have been made by any other two
Speaker 2: fighters on his planet as far as females go.
Speaker 1: H No, I agree, man, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the best fights I'd seen on the female side in
Speaker 1: a long time. Let's move along to obviously what everyone
Speaker 1: was there for. You know, there's been whispers and obviously
Speaker 1: I don't really want to go down this rabbit hole
Speaker 1: because I think we both agree at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. It was a win for Mike at fifty
Speaker 1: eight to be able to get a twenty million dollar
Speaker 1: pay day as a fifty eight year old legend, which
Speaker 1: is huge. It's the biggest pay day hearned earned in
Speaker 1: the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: For Jake to get forty million, it's the biggest payday
Speaker 1: he ever got. But there was times where I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like there were punches that Mike held. You know,
Speaker 1: you're here in and again I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: but you do hear you know, kind of stuff circling
Speaker 1: around where you know, Mike wasn't allowed to throw uppercuts
Speaker 1: and Mike wasn't allowed to do this and do that.
Speaker 1: From your point of view, did you see any of
Speaker 1: that or you just kind of saw, you know, what
Speaker 1: we thought we were going to saw. You know, someone
Speaker 1: who was one of the greatest fighters ever is just
Speaker 1: fifty eight years old right now, and he was able
Speaker 1: to last eight rounds with the young Thundercat.
Speaker 2: Well, my thing is, first of all, my hat goes
Speaker 2: off to him for going eight rounds with anybody, absolute period.
Speaker 2: You understand me. I mean, fifty eight year year old
Speaker 2: going eight rounds. I don't care if there two minutes,
Speaker 2: three minutes. A fifty eight year old going eight rounds
Speaker 2: is out of this world. Number one, number two. There
Speaker 2: are things that probably he could have done a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a little bit better had he really
Speaker 2: been trying to do that. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: what people don't understand is Jake does have a really
Speaker 2: good straight right hand and a good overhand right and
Speaker 2: a good right up cut. So when you try to
Speaker 2: throw your upper cut, you're right up a cut. Being
Speaker 2: at you're fifty eight years old, you really expose yourself
Speaker 2: to be hit with his right hand or his overhand
Speaker 2: right which are the best two punches he got. So
Speaker 2: in my defense for Mike, why would I go out
Speaker 2: there throwing upcuts at fifty eight years old when I
Speaker 2: know that that's just gonna open me up for a
Speaker 2: shot that he may catch me in my night humidiation investment?
Speaker 2: Why would I do that? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's like I do understand what people saying. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, from a box standpoint, you gott
Speaker 2: to know those punches. If you throw it right up
Speaker 2: a cut. Yeah, and this a young guy, you fifty eight,
Speaker 2: that's gonna probably expose you a little bit more than
Speaker 2: you want to be exposed.
Speaker 1: Right now, I would agree you were the last person
Speaker 1: to fight him. And you know, in the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: what did you see different in the fight with against
Speaker 1: you that you saw versus Paul.
Speaker 2: The first thing was the immediate thing that I made
Speaker 2: note of on the telecast was his legs didn't look
Speaker 2: the same as when he caught me, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's not saying nothing bad. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: ever had a knee. He may have had a knee injury.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that. I wasn't saying nothing bad about that,
Speaker 2: just said that his legs didn't look the same. Sometime
Speaker 2: four years could have taken a toll on him, or
Speaker 2: he could have had an injury. We don't know. Like
Speaker 2: Mike said, he went through so much stuff he almost died,
Speaker 2: so anything could have happened. We don't know, but I
Speaker 2: can promise you that his legs were not the same.
Speaker 2: Hence he was not able to attack as freely and
Speaker 2: as often as he attacked me. He attacked me pretty
Speaker 2: much all in that long and he's been that same person.
Speaker 2: Then he definitely with a peat hake. So but because
Speaker 2: of either the injury or whatever was going on with
Speaker 2: his legs, something was not right with his leg you know.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I hear my commenting partner, I
Speaker 2: hear what he's saying. But even if you look back
Speaker 2: at old Mike Tyson fights, I see him with his
Speaker 2: hands here all the time. But I never seen him
Speaker 2: biting the thumb of his glob. This time, he biting
Speaker 2: the thumb of his glob. I never seen him like
Speaker 2: do it. Even when I fought him, he never did that.
Speaker 2: So it's like I hear them, but Nah, something something
Speaker 2: was going on with Mike. I was wrong with Yeah,
Speaker 2: Either he was frustrated that he couldn't do they want
Speaker 2: to do because of his legs or something. I don't
Speaker 2: know one hundred percent of what it was, but it
Speaker 2: definitely was something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agreed. I helped my group chat my homeboys
Speaker 1: after the first round. I'm like, I don't like the
Speaker 1: way Mike's legs look. He just didn't look sturdy. But
Speaker 1: I think we're both in agreeance. Overall, this was a
Speaker 1: huge win for Mike. I think it. It brought uh, yeah, huge, huge.
Speaker 1: You know, two different demographics. You know, the eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties people who loved Mike and and revere him as
Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all time. And Jake was
Speaker 1: able to bring in this newer Internet generation who may
Speaker 1: not know Mike's history, but probably after this probably went
Speaker 1: back and looked up and saw what he was able
Speaker 1: to do for this game of boxing and all his greatness,
Speaker 1: So I think again, overall, the night was a win.
Speaker 1: I think the atmosphere was electric. Netflix really rolled out
Speaker 1: the red carpet from start to finish, you know, from
Speaker 1: just the red carpet treatment from the airport to the hotel.
Speaker 1: Once you get there. You know, we were sitting in
Speaker 1: the first couple of rows and everything was free drinks, food,
Speaker 1: whatever you needed. I mean, they spared no expense. As
Speaker 1: someone who's obviously boxed in the biggest surroundings and been
Speaker 1: at fights, where did this kind of rank as far
Speaker 1: as the energy in the atmosphere with previous fights you've
Speaker 1: been around.
Speaker 2: Great's very high for me, and maybe even the top
Speaker 2: maybe probably the top ones on the scene, because you
Speaker 2: got to think about it. What he basically did is
Speaker 2: he expired. He allowed allowed Mike Tyson to be exposed
Speaker 2: to the social media frenzy that's going on now. You know,
Speaker 2: we yourself, me Mike, we came along before that social
Speaker 2: media frenzy took place. Right now that it has happened,
Speaker 2: most of us people that we missed it. But Netflix
Speaker 2: just blessed Mike Tyson to be able to come back
Speaker 2: by way of Jake Paul and experience and get some
Speaker 2: of the fruit of this social media frenzy. And that
Speaker 2: was a beautiful thing to me because had it not
Speaker 2: been for that, Mike would have vantages like us, we
Speaker 2: just we just missed it and to keep going. But
Speaker 2: because he was so great at what he head back then,
Speaker 2: he was able to come back and still generate that
Speaker 2: kind of attention on a fight because of what he
Speaker 2: did in his past. And that's pretty big.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, what fifty eight year old is going
Speaker 1: to make twenty dollars and well what and what that
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes of fight on fight time at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. So but I really want to also,
Speaker 1: you know, congratulate Jake in his promotions. You know what
Speaker 1: they've been able to do. They've been able to you know,
Speaker 1: we had a meeting before with these YouTube guys that
Speaker 1: are trying to help us get our stuff together, and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, before the fight, he's like, the
Speaker 1: Paul Brothers are great at breaking the Internet, and that's
Speaker 1: what they did. They crashed Netflix of you time. That's
Speaker 1: been the most talked about thing the last few days.
Speaker 1: But the opportunity he gave Mike, the opportunity in the
Speaker 1: platform he's giving these women to continue to grow the
Speaker 1: sport as someone who is a legend as yourself, do
Speaker 1: you respect the because again, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: rumbling when he first came on, and I think obviously
Speaker 1: people are starting to respect him more because he's taking
Speaker 1: it serious. But what do you think as someone in
Speaker 1: your position? The platform he's in, the eyeballs, he's bringing
Speaker 1: the boxing.
Speaker 2: My hat went off to him in the beginning because
Speaker 2: I understood it and I saw it. My hat goes
Speaker 2: off to him even more every day because each and
Speaker 2: every day he does something that's helpful, NOTx just himself,
Speaker 2: but to other people to help them women get the
Speaker 2: kind of paity there that they got and that they
Speaker 2: so richly deserve. Was a beautiful thing on his part.
Speaker 2: The fact that he could bring so much and he's
Speaker 2: sharing it with everybody else. Come on, man, that's what
Speaker 2: people stuff with you. That's what I think life is about,
Speaker 2: getting it, bringing it and sharing with other people. That's
Speaker 2: what Jake is doing. Jake is doing exactly what I
Speaker 2: would think a person like that should do, a person
Speaker 2: of that caniber should do. If you can get it, share,
Speaker 2: share with those who deserve it. Those women deserve it
Speaker 2: more than anybody on the planet. So for him to
Speaker 2: give those women an opportunity, for him to give my
Speaker 2: tyson the opportunity, it was a beautiful thing to me. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: All right. I'm gonna give you a magic wand right here,
Speaker 1: promotion companies away, give me three fights you want to
Speaker 1: see in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Zang versus Bcoli, becolloge just beat Jared Nenerson. I'm wanna
Speaker 2: see the big, the big Chinese guy fight him. I
Speaker 2: would like to see Canelo versus Benevedez, and uh, you know, Jeff,
Speaker 2: for the record, I still like to see Josh versus Wilder,
Speaker 2: just the person.
Speaker 1: And I think there's rumblings about that possibly happened. I
Speaker 1: just heard while there's getting back, you know, back to
Speaker 1: trainings that I'd be understanding. I would want to throw
Speaker 1: h tank and secure in that mix. Uh as well.
Speaker 1: Last question, again, we've given Jake praise on the promotion side,
Speaker 1: in the platform he's bringing. In your opinion, what does
Speaker 1: he have to do to really start getting respects in
Speaker 1: the in the boxing space.
Speaker 2: What he's trying to do fight the world champion for
Speaker 2: real and see how he does against a real world champion,
Speaker 2: are real top caliber fighter who's around his age. I
Speaker 2: think that's a beautiful thing for him. I think it'd
Speaker 2: be great for that person, and think you give him
Speaker 2: a chance to see what he really is. And he's
Speaker 2: doing the right thing. He's getting all the experience they
Speaker 2: can get before you take their risk and do that.
Speaker 2: But he wants to do that one day, so why
Speaker 2: not let him try it. He done so much to
Speaker 2: help other people, why not help him.
Speaker 1: There you go, Well, I'm sure whatever he's going to
Speaker 1: do is going to be successful. So Roy, again, thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. It's an honor to have you
Speaker 1: as a part of the family and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2: Bro, thank you, my brother. Good to see you and
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Well again like to thank my brother Roy Jones for
Speaker 1: joining the family and his time. This morning, there were
Speaker 1: some hefty NBA fins handed out to some of the
Speaker 1: young boys in the league. LaMelo Ball got hit with
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars fine and Anthony Edwards got hit
Speaker 1: with a thirty five thousand dollars fine for inappropriate gestures
Speaker 1: to the crowd. I've been in both their guys of
Speaker 1: shoes when it comes to fines. You know, obviously LaMelo,
Speaker 1: he to me, is one of the most off the hook,
Speaker 1: funny postgame interview guys. In the game, you know, might
Speaker 1: have added pause. I think that's the word that the
Speaker 1: kids used. He chose to use another word, and the
Speaker 1: NBA had to handcuff that and then an you know,
Speaker 1: crowds are crazy, and we've talked about that actually on
Speaker 1: this show where you know, he didn't take well to
Speaker 1: what someone said and he reacted to it. But this
Speaker 1: new wave of young players that kind of say what
Speaker 1: they want to say and do what they want to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even at it. You know, everything in
Speaker 1: interviews are supposed to be politically correct, and you're supposed
Speaker 1: to say the right things and not say the wrong
Speaker 1: things or even in the games do the right things. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think this new generation cares too much about that.
Speaker 1: These young guys are kind of out here, you know,
Speaker 1: same what comes to the mind. And I'm not mad
Speaker 1: because I was similar obviously didn't have the talent these
Speaker 1: guys have, but always said what came to my mind.
Speaker 1: And that's why I respect these guys and kind of
Speaker 1: the way they're moving in this media space. You know
Speaker 1: that the media has been changing overall for a while,
Speaker 1: and the players are starting to change and their approach
Speaker 1: to doing these interviews and the way they carry themselves.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, I'm am no stranger to fines.
Speaker 1: I think last tally, I was close to six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in fines during my playing career, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get into a few of those fines right now.
Speaker 1: Take you guys down a walk down memory lane. But
Speaker 1: before we dive into it, my team has a few
Speaker 1: questions for me since I've been fined so much so
Speaker 1: shoot away fellas and ladies.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Hey, Matt, how's it going?
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 1: Sir? What can you please state your name?
Speaker 3: This stilling When you get fined or suspended, like, how
Speaker 3: do you find out? Like is it the agent who
Speaker 3: tells you? Do you get a call at the principal's office,
Speaker 3: You get an email from the commissioner.
Speaker 2: What's that first.
Speaker 3: Step when you actually find out that you indeed did
Speaker 3: get fined?
Speaker 1: All of the above, except you don't get an email
Speaker 1: from the commissioner. NBA security somehow gets through to you.
Speaker 1: Normally they go through the team to get through to me.
Speaker 1: I had a ton of calls with keiky Vandawain. I
Speaker 1: love that guy to death. He's a former bruin. But
Speaker 1: Kiki used to find the fuck out of me, find
Speaker 1: the fuck out of me. And the tough part is
Speaker 1: is like you don't even have a chance to like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not paying it. That shit comes out of your check.
Speaker 1: So if I'm hit with twenty five, you know, we
Speaker 1: get paid on the first and fifteen, so where over
Speaker 1: that lands, I won't even see that money. It'll come
Speaker 1: directly out of my check. But what's crazy is the
Speaker 1: NBA security calls. They want to hear the story, So
Speaker 1: you give them the story already knowing that they've made
Speaker 1: up their mind. They're full of shit. They really don't
Speaker 1: want to hear. They just want to kind of check
Speaker 1: the boxes and say that they talked to the people involved.
Speaker 1: So there were several fines I think that I got
Speaker 1: that were reputation fines, not actually shit that I've crossed
Speaker 1: the line. But don't get me wrong, I have crossed
Speaker 1: the line a few times.
Speaker 4: Hello, Matt, how does the paget excuse me? What's your name,
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter U. How does the pay get deducted?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, Like I said, the pay comes right out. So
Speaker 1: as soon as we're hit with that fine, it's not
Speaker 1: like the team takes it out. I think the in
Speaker 1: my circumstances, I think the NBA takes the money out,
Speaker 1: or it could be the team right away. I don't
Speaker 1: know who took the money. I just know I didn't
Speaker 1: have it, and I also didn't know where it went.
Speaker 1: Some people say that it, you know, the goes to charity.
Speaker 1: I want to know what charity it went to. I
Speaker 1: also want to know why can't I deduct that for taxes? Because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I lost over half a million dollars
Speaker 1: in fines and still had to pay those nasty taxes.
Speaker 1: So I think those that fine money should have either one.
Speaker 1: I should have got to pick the chair went to
Speaker 1: since it was my money they were taken from me,
Speaker 1: and too it should have been tax deductible.
Speaker 5: All right, Matt, I got one for you. When you
Speaker 5: go to the principal's office. I want to talk suspension.
Speaker 5: When you go and speak to either the GM, the owner,
Speaker 5: the commissioner, what's that situation like for you? And how
Speaker 5: do you know about the suspension and how long it is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not it's not really the team. You don't
Speaker 1: talk to your team, you know, because I think if
Speaker 1: it was up to the team, they probably wouldn't suspend
Speaker 1: their guys at all, hopefully, but it really it is
Speaker 1: up to I know, the only people I've ever talked
Speaker 1: to with NBA security, So again, they kind of have
Speaker 1: their you know, few questions they want to ask about
Speaker 1: the situation. I think already knowing what the consequences are
Speaker 1: going to be and how much they're going to find,
Speaker 1: so I think they're just kind of going through the
Speaker 1: motions when they actually talk to the players. But I
Speaker 1: think I definitely think there should be more transparency. You know,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars fine is pretty hefty no matter
Speaker 1: how much money you make, you know, so it just
Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. But I definitely think
Speaker 1: we should know exactly where the money is going that
Speaker 1: they are taken from us.
Speaker 3: Last one, did you ever appeal slash successfully appeal a fine?
Speaker 1: I appealed a lot of them, and I was successful
Speaker 1: on none of them, not a fucking not a single
Speaker 1: one was I successful. So, like I said, my team
Speaker 1: is so nice. They have some questions for me, and
Speaker 1: they also pulled some edits of some of the fines
Speaker 1: I received during my time in the league. So we'll
Speaker 1: start with this first one.
Speaker 3: Matt Barnes of the Los Angeles Clippers has been suspended
Speaker 3: one game without pay for striking Greg Steins of the
Speaker 3: Minnesota Timberwolves in the neck. Suspended one game without pay.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's take it out. So this okay, Now,
Speaker 1: I do remember this. So this happened. He hit me
Speaker 1: with a messed up screen earlier in the game, and
Speaker 1: I was just tired of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I had to chase JJB last round, so I'm already
Speaker 1: guarding a point guard and this dude he clipped me
Speaker 1: with his knee and gave me like a trolley horse
Speaker 1: earlier in the game. So this is just kind of
Speaker 1: having enough of his screens and if he wanted to smoke,
Speaker 1: I was ready for it.
Speaker 5: A water bottle incident in Washington. There's no video evidence
Speaker 5: of about that one with the water bottle.
Speaker 1: First, So I think I played really well that game.
Speaker 1: I want to say I had like twenty six, twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty six points. We were in DC
Speaker 1: and there was a guy that was talking shit the
Speaker 1: entire game, and the Wizard beat us that night. And
Speaker 1: it actually wasn't a water bottle. It was a Gatoray cup,
Speaker 1: but it had a little bit of water in it.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I kicked this shit so
Speaker 1: perfect that it hit the dude in the chest and
Speaker 1: splashed him in the face of the water. That fine
Speaker 1: was definitely worth it. That was probably one of the
Speaker 1: only fines I'll say, like, I'm okay with losing that
Speaker 1: twenty five K because this dude was talking shit and
Speaker 1: we lost, and it just was a great I mean,
Speaker 1: the bench was busting up, the people around him were
Speaker 1: busting up, and it really shut him up. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'd rather be in a Gatoray cup water
Speaker 1: and the me actually putting my hands on him. So
Speaker 1: I think he won the night.
Speaker 3: January twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, Los Angeles Clippers forward Matt
Speaker 3: Barnes has been fined twenty five thousand dollars for directing
Speaker 3: inappropriate language toward a fan.
Speaker 1: See this is bs right here. And the NBA knows this,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they still wrote that they're full
Speaker 1: of shit. So this actually was with Robert Sarver, the
Speaker 1: former racist, sexist clown that used to own the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 1: So I was actually in a back and forth with
Speaker 1: a dad and his son, but like a fun loving
Speaker 1: back and forth, like kind of joking around because I'd
Speaker 1: played in Phoenix before and this little I'm maybe thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen year ol kid. We're not really trash talking, We're
Speaker 1: just kind of talking back and forth. And one of
Speaker 1: my teammates are I don't remember who was on the
Speaker 1: free throw line, but one the kid and I were
Speaker 1: kind of talking in his dad and we were all
Speaker 1: laughing back and forth, and we got to the free
Speaker 1: throw line and Sarver said, don't talk. Sarv was maybe
Speaker 1: eight rows away from the Sarvar was on the baseline,
Speaker 1: the kid and his dad were on the sideline, everyone
Speaker 1: front row, and someone said, don't talk to my fucking
Speaker 1: fans like that, and I turned around and it was Sarver.
Speaker 1: I already don't like this guy, so I really wanted
Speaker 1: to go there and ring his neck. So I probably
Speaker 1: said a few derogatory marks towards him, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: toward the actual fans at all. It was towards him
Speaker 1: and to me. My complaint was when I got the
Speaker 1: call from NBA security, if I'm held to a certain standard,
Speaker 1: why can't an owner cust it me and not be fined.
Speaker 1: But again, I knew that was a battle I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna win. But fuck you, Robert Sarver.
Speaker 5: So that you tweeted about this, did I? Yeah, I
Speaker 5: want you to read the tweet.
Speaker 1: Come on now. Barnes later tweeted another twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: that part of the story that the NBA hasn't told
Speaker 1: you was my language wasn't directed at a fan. I
Speaker 1: was talking to the owner of the Suns who was
Speaker 1: sitting on the baseline, and I only said something to
Speaker 1: him after he custed me. But because I didn't snitch,
Speaker 1: I get fined hashtagged the code times you sticking to
Speaker 1: the script cost you a lot of money. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I basically just told you guys. So I didn't
Speaker 1: even remember that I tweeted that. Was that a deleted
Speaker 1: tweet or that one stayed? All these are deleted?
Speaker 5: The bleaker?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hello there during the third quarter. This was also
Speaker 4: November fourteen, thirteen. During the third quarter, Barnes tweeted, I
Speaker 4: love my teammates like family, but I'm done standing up
Speaker 4: for these bleep All the bleep does It's costs me money.
Speaker 4: This sweet was later deleted.
Speaker 1: So I'm done standing up for these niggas, is what
Speaker 1: I said. All this shit does is cost me money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys know me and and kind
Speaker 1: of followed my career, you know I was a protector
Speaker 1: of my teammates at all times, and and you know
Speaker 1: I was ready to go to war for them. Abaka
Speaker 1: was always trying to do dirty shit and bully Blake,
Speaker 1: so you know, I just letting him, let him know
Speaker 1: he wasn't having it. And then he reared back like
Speaker 1: he's about to throw a spear at me, and I
Speaker 1: smiled at him. But you know, sometimes in the heat
Speaker 1: of battle, this is what happens. Again, I don't really
Speaker 1: recall too many people actually getting into it with actually me,
Speaker 1: it was most of the time my fines were for
Speaker 1: taking up for people. And the only person, and I
Speaker 1: think I've told this story before, the only person that
Speaker 1: paid a fine when I stuck up for them was Kobe.
Speaker 1: Kobe took care of the fine where I had his back.
Speaker 1: BG Big Cat. I know we just talked about you
Speaker 1: coming on all the smoke soon I can use that.
Speaker 1: Uh what was that A thirty five boy? I know
Speaker 1: you're retired now and you got you know, got a
Speaker 1: little extra money around, so yeah, feel free to You
Speaker 1: can still pay my fine even though it's nearly ten
Speaker 1: years later, if you want.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think the moral of the story is fines are
Speaker 1: a part of the game. You know, in my case,
Speaker 1: a lot of my fines were sticking up for people.
Speaker 1: But again, you know I would do it again. That's
Speaker 1: what kind of teammate it was. Was always a teammate
Speaker 1: first guys. I think in the instance of Anthony Edwards
Speaker 1: and LaMelo Ball, I think the league has given them
Speaker 1: a few passes because they are colorful and fun and
Speaker 1: some of the best interviews in the game. But you know,
Speaker 1: in the NBA's opinion, they crossed the line this time,
Speaker 1: so you know, hopefully they learn from it. But to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I really don't want them to
Speaker 1: change too much, maybe just choose their words and their
Speaker 1: gestures a little different, because I think the color they
Speaker 1: bring to the game is definitely needed. And I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of both of these young guys. So you
Speaker 1: guys know, since the first episode of Unplugged launched, the
Speaker 1: neighborhood hater my guy, Gino Davis, has been a part
Speaker 1: of the program, and we were talking about can he
Speaker 1: and Ray Young hit ninety mile an hour fastballs. First
Speaker 1: of all, Gino's not here today because I think it
Speaker 1: was a little salty. You didn't get invited to the
Speaker 1: Dallas trip, hey, but that's neither here nor there. If
Speaker 1: you guys are listening by radio, make sure you guys,
Speaker 1: when you get a second, go download this and check
Speaker 1: out the footage. It was a blast. We had a
Speaker 1: good time, and I don't think it was a ninety
Speaker 1: mile an hour pitch. But you guys take a look
Speaker 1: telling what you think. So as you guys can see,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ninety. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: There was a lady that set up the gun and
Speaker 1: she said it was ninety. But then there was a
Speaker 1: guy that worked there that said it wasn't ninety, So
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe it was ninety. But nevertheless she
Speaker 1: said it was ninety, so I had to pay up
Speaker 1: the money. But don't think it all. This is the
Speaker 1: last bet, Gino, Ray We got some shit coming for you.
Speaker 1: You guys, get prepared. Before I get out of here,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to sit down with my brother,
Speaker 1: Rich Climban, and we discussed the ever evolving landscape of
Speaker 1: sports media, the way we've both been able to build
Speaker 1: our companies and everything that's gone into it. Before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, I give you guys a quick peek,
Speaker 1: but you can catch this on Board Room Dropping this Tuesday.
Speaker 6: And do you feel like, you know, partnerships in business
Speaker 6: are something that I really marvel at all the time.
Speaker 6: You know, I take pride in the partnership that Kevin
Speaker 6: and I have built because I don't think people understand
Speaker 6: like there's work that needs to be put into a
Speaker 6: great partnership, and then a great partnership, when it works,
Speaker 6: can have such an incredible impact on your business, on
Speaker 6: your life. And you have somebody that like counters and
Speaker 6: compliments what your skill set is. Did you kind of
Speaker 6: quickly start to realize you and Jack as partners and
Speaker 6: in terms of how you both operate and the chemistry
Speaker 6: you guys had was something special? And did you at
Speaker 6: some point have to kind of like lock in with
Speaker 6: him to make sure you were both on that road together, right,
Speaker 6: because you need the same type of buying and focus
Speaker 6: from both people.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and and you know, early on it was a journey.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jack is my dog, but there was struggles
Speaker 1: early on, you know, whether whether you know, showtime really
Speaker 1: wanted you know, both of us are just me and
Speaker 1: you know, it came to the point where, like, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's not both of us and none of us.
Speaker 1: And then once we you know, we get going. This
Speaker 1: is new. So although you know, and we're us and
Speaker 1: we're so excited, we can actually smoke that you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes smoking you know, got a little overboard, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So we'd have to have conversations like
Speaker 1: come on, bro, like we have to really lock in.
Speaker 1: But I think one thing that really helped us obviously
Speaker 1: is our chemistry and we're brother brothers, but we've also
Speaker 1: been role players in our in our NBA career, so
Speaker 1: we knew how to kind of fit in and find
Speaker 1: what our role was. And and Jack, early on it's
Speaker 1: just like, hey, you know, I try us you when
Speaker 1: you go do these meetings that if you're in the room,
Speaker 1: I'm in the room. You know that I trust you
Speaker 1: with the business side. You just need to let me
Speaker 1: know where I need to show up and talk my shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we both kind of
Speaker 1: jumped into our role. So I kind of took more
Speaker 1: of the business head behind the scenes and then also
Speaker 1: the lead of the show. And then Jack would kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, do his part and compliment. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, as we just had our five year anniversary,
Speaker 1: you know, we've constantly been having these conversations of like,
Speaker 1: I want him to want more, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want you just to be talent now, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we'll get into that. We have a
Speaker 1: whole business now, but I want you to start learning
Speaker 1: this business and taking these meetings and you know, being
Speaker 1: more prepared for opportunities because you know this all the
Speaker 1: smoke is obviously spun into a whole production media company,
Speaker 1: but it also spins off into other opportunities, and I
Speaker 1: want you to be able to, you know, capitalize off
Speaker 1: these opportunities from this platform we've created for each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I want to give
Speaker 1: you my pick for the week, brought to you by DraftKings.
Speaker 1: Last week was ugly. I went one in three, putting
Speaker 1: my record at over. We're all six four and one,
Speaker 1: but that's still a winning record. You already know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ride with the Niners ninety nine percent of the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to shit on the Cowboys one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time. So here goes my picks
Speaker 1: for the week. Eagles at the Rams Thursday night. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the Eagles minus two and a half going
Speaker 1: into La. Next up the NFC West. I'm really interested
Speaker 1: in this game because the Cardinals I think, are a
Speaker 1: game up now on the Niners. The Seahawks have a
Speaker 1: chance to uh do something about that. So I'm actually
Speaker 1: gonna take the Seahawks minus one at home. You know
Speaker 1: they got that what do they call the Seahawks fan
Speaker 1: the twelfth Man? Twelfth Man, You guys better show the
Speaker 1: fuck up because we need you guys. Next up, Niners
Speaker 1: at the Packers and all I got to although the
Speaker 1: Packers are seven to three and looking good, we're five
Speaker 1: and five were starting to get healthy. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the nine plus one and a half at Lambeau.
Speaker 1: Here goes the chance to shit on the Cowboys. Cowboys
Speaker 1: at the Commanders Commanders minus ten, I'm taking the Commanders,
Speaker 1: and last but not least, coming off a heartbreaking loss
Speaker 1: the Ravens minus three at the Chargers in the Monday
Speaker 1: Night game. So, last but not least, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the Ravens minus three and a half against the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Ravens had a tough loss this past week, so I
Speaker 1: know they'll rebound. Although I got a lot of coaching
Speaker 1: friends on the Chargers side, I'm gonna take the Ravens
Speaker 1: minus three coming to LA for the Monday Night game.
Speaker 1: So I wish you guys the best of luck this
Speaker 1: weekend and we'll see how we did next week. That's
Speaker 1: a wrap. Thank you guys for joining this week. You
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