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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our lives, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday, the seventeenth of October twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: fuck your life, it's time for Morning Combat. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 2: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. My

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Speaker 2: name is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital

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Speaker 2: of the status, Anina's right here in Washington, DC, joined

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Speaker 2: by my green drinking friend. He's got what is he

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Speaker 2: the King of Connecticut? He's the uh what is it again.

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Speaker 4: I'm the American Alpha, Luke.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, but it's like, what are you hear? He's

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Speaker 2: from ct and he's got CTE. It's my friend Brian Campbell. Hi,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. How wrong?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Wow, Luke, I'm happy to be back. It was

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Speaker 4: a fun weekend of fights. Boxing was the main course

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Speaker 4: this week, and watch it be an appetizer in today's

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Speaker 4: show though. But Luke, you know, it's just another manic

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Speaker 4: Monday and kind of wish it was Sunday, you know,

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Speaker 4: because that's my fun day. Right, Yeah, I don't have

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Speaker 4: to run day.

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Speaker 2: Is that when your family leaves home and you watch

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Speaker 2: pornography with the volume on.

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Speaker 4: That's despicable, that's gross. Never there for you. Mka. Okay,

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Speaker 4: don't buy that. Don't buy those clothes anymore. Okay, Hey,

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Speaker 4: speaking Luke, speaking of MK relics. Look at this prototype

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Speaker 4: hoody I found. They don't even sell this donk shit

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Speaker 2: No, they don't. They had some early stuff. Some of

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Speaker 2: it works, some of it didn't. This is sort of

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Speaker 2: middle of the road. But they do have good stuff

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Speaker 2: Mornycombat Dot store, not just for your you know, pornography designs,

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Speaker 2: but all kinds of good stuff. Actually is there hats

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Speaker 2: and we have the trucker hat, the amateur director hat.

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Speaker 2: I believe these.

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Speaker 4: Great new hats, great new hats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, BC, very quickly. Did you have a good weekend?

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Speaker 2: Not so great, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, do you want to get into it here, Luke,

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Speaker 4: let me let me be your shoulder to cry on.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't that bad. But yesterday I had to

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Speaker 2: we lucked out. My brother had and his wife they're

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Speaker 2: having a kid in January, so it was a baby shower.

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Speaker 2: I went too. That was fine, that was cool.

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Speaker 4: Actually, tell your brother congrats on the sex, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, he pro created it looks like. But

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Speaker 2: what I was gonna say was Saturday, we went to

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Speaker 2: a couple of festivals out in town and my daughter

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Speaker 2: had meltdowns like all day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Was it the equivalent of when you're like tukes, get

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Speaker 4: back to the bed, you know, your bed, not ours,

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Speaker 4: and then she's like, f off, mother, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: there we are.

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Speaker 2: Here's what it was. Very quickly she like, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is obvious, but kids love to get their faces painted.

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Speaker 2: They love it.

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Speaker 4: So I loved smearing it with their hands. Like a

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Speaker 4: minute after, Yes they do they have.

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct. Well, we got in the line

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Speaker 2: and dude, they had two women who were doing it,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't doing like you know, when you get

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Speaker 2: Well I'm not on one kid, but like I'm just saying,

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Speaker 2: there was two women operating the booth and instead they

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Speaker 2: they were going like all white then black, circles and

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Speaker 2: then all the designs. I timed it. It was twenty

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Speaker 2: we barely moved. I told my Doric, we got to

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Speaker 2: it's exclusively Mexican. Yeah, okay, all right. On today's show,

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Speaker 2: as BC indicated, we have a lot to get to,

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Speaker 2: including a lot of boxing, some of which BC we

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Speaker 4: We also haven't think I don't think we sold shields

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Speaker 4: Marshall enough.

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Speaker 4: You got what you paid for, Luke. Okay, you think

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Speaker 4: you think they tell Peter take a long time, right,

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Speaker 4: it's whatever whatever happens happens, all right.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good, So we'll talk about that. Plus

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Speaker 2: of a mishap in not getting Friday's audio up early enough.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be an issue today, Luke.

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Speaker 4: Will you and I can wear the front facing members

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Speaker 2: But I like to throw who did it under the bus,

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Speaker 4: Right, get a few mix ups this weekend. Apologies to

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Speaker 4: the audio only crew. Apologies to those who tweeted me

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Speaker 4: Well it didn't happen, all right, Well, well we'll fix it.

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Speaker 4: We'll fix it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Is that your fault?

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's MK's fault and I'm and I am

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Speaker 4: MK Luke, So yeah, in the end, it is my fault.

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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, But we will get to all

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Speaker 2: start as we customarily do, with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

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Speaker 2: In the main event, Alexa Grasso gets the unanimous decision

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Speaker 2: NOD over Vivian Araujo. I think it's how you say it.

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Speaker 2: A Roujo at UFC Vegas sixty two BC. First question

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Speaker 4: Look, this was a solid win by Alexa Grosso and

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Speaker 4: Because here's the deal. Is the UFC going to go

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Speaker 4: this victory negatively or to set her back? No, a

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Speaker 4: solid yet unspectacular performance across the board, Luke, am I

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Speaker 4: hitting on any of the notes that you believe in

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Speaker 4: And is that is that? Is that a back door

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Speaker 2: No? I mean I don't really believe in that kind.

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Speaker 4: So here's here's my question, Luke. You could argue that

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Speaker 2: You could do that, yes.

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Speaker 4: Because my question to you is who else for both?

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Speaker 4: to be fair, Tyler Santos, if she doesn't get the

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Speaker 4: What do you think about Grosso running into her? What

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Speaker 4: Grosso is passing these tests. But she might be predicting

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Speaker 4: What? Why would you wait any longer? It's an intriguing fight.

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Speaker 4: It matters historically, I think the time is now, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I actually I think she's back. Is she back down?

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Speaker 4: She's back?

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? Yeah, so she's not even she's still ranked

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Speaker 2: Here's how it stands in that division right now. You

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Speaker 4: No, those are very good points I do want to

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Speaker 4: But it goes to show you that you wait much longer,

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't like to do this. I don't

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Speaker 4: But you know you could just as easily say Santos

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Speaker 4: And I'm the guy who can't figure off it's risen

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Speaker 4: But you know what haters will say. Do you know

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Speaker 2: Listen. I would like to tell you that they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: They're probably not wrong. You know, I really am guilty

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Speaker 4: All right, but tell me this, tell me this from

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Speaker 2: Well, it was funny that Dominic Cruz took a moment

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Speaker 4: Really find that I activated my Alexa one second, Alexa off,

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Speaker 4: sorry that it happened. Louke it did it? Did Grosso

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Speaker 2: I'd never understand that, but okay, neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I bring it up is because Richard

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Speaker 2: to say that really stood out to me was something

432
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 2: I alluded to earlier BC, which was I knew that

433
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 2: she had the skills, but did she have the discipline?

434
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 2: And frankly, the IQ to make good choices over the

435
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 2: course of twenty five minutes. That is actually a much

436
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 2: more difficult task than it looks like, especially against an

437
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,959
Speaker 2: opponent who is both durable and physical yet hitable, it

438
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 2: can be a little bit hard to do that. She

439
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 2: had good decision making for twenty five minutes. She did

440
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 2: not ever compromise herself by making poor decisions. She was

441
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: never really out of position, and if she got put

442
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: into a control spot, she found ways around it over

443
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 2: time and then never really let her opponent get back there.

444
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 2: She'd shut the door on her constantly, which against this

445
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 2: kind of sort of tricky opponent is very very difficult

446
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 2: to do. So that's what stood out to me. Good

447
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: decision making around her existing abilities incrementally better, for sure,

448
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: but applied very very professionally, very diligently for an extended

449
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: period of time. Hard to do that she did.

450
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 4: Did you agree with the scoring in the end? I

451
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,719
Speaker 4: agree that she was the rightful winner. I wasn't there

452
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: one or maybe even two four rounds to one cards

453
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 4: out there.

454
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: The scores were Mike Bell had it fifty to forty five,

455
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 2: saldi Amado forty nine, forty six, and then gannicciro Comedia

456
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: having a forty nine forty six, that's about right. I

457
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 2: would give her one round, maybe you give her the

458
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: second round or something something like that, but other maybe

459
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: the fourth or something. But in general, no, I thought

460
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: that that was was it was easy to find three rounds.

461
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 2: I would say it was easy to find three rounds

462
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 2: for Grosso. Right. That sounds very fair, very fair. All right,

463
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 2: So let's talk now about the second fight on that

464
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: card and point number two here Jonathan Martinez, Man, what

465
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: do you want to say BC? He did? I mean,

466
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: we luck cub Swanson, and I'll cop to this very quickly.

467
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: We did have a caveat on Friday saying we just

468
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: didn't know what kind of cub we were going to

469
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: get at bantamweight. But he made weight looked like relatively easily.

470
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: He did not look super drained. I want to talk

471
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: about what benefits may have been conferred or not from

472
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: going to bantamweight, but he didn't look compromised. I want

473
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: to make that point and the reason why I make

474
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: that points because I thought, if you got a relatively

475
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: similar cup from one forty five, even in this later

476
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: stage of his career, that I thought he was going

477
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: to beat up Martinez pretty handily. It was the exact opposite, dude,

478
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: Martinez demolished him, demolished him. Okay, how big of a

479
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: win was this for Martinez? And how big of a

480
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: step up for him was this as well?

481
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: It was big for Martinez, fourth straight win. I believe

482
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 4: he's got something like five wins in his last six fights.

483
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 4: But you know, there's a big name. And to your

484
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 4: the first half of your question regarding coub and to

485
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 4: be fair, because of Cub's name, that played into a

486
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: lot of our pre fight talk was just what would

487
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 4: club look like? You know, is it too late at

488
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 4: thirty eight? I think it's somewhat inconclusive regarding cup meaning

489
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 4: I didn't see him physically compromise at this way class.

490
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 4: I just saw a hungry young fighter in the twenty

491
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 4: six year old Martinez come out, take control of the moment,

492
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 4: let us know his name if we didn't beforehand, afterwards,

493
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 4: and be destructive as shit in shopping this veteran warrior down,

494
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 4: one leg kick after another from the outside, from the inside,

495
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: switching legs, just absolutely brutalizing him. That Yeah, at the

496
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: end of the day, this is a step up big

497
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: boy performance from Jonathan Martinez, and I think it's gonna

498
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 4: put him his name on the map. You know, this

499
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: divisions so deep with up and comers, legends, guys in

500
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 4: the midst of their prime. It's easy to get lost

501
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: when you're not in that top ten in terms of

502
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 4: people talking about you. You know, this doesn't allow you

503
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: to cut to the head of the class. But this

504
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 4: gets your name known. People are gonna be talking about

505
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 4: him after this performance. So I got nothing bad to

506
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: say about it, Luke. It was destructive, it was step up,

507
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 4: it was confident, was mature, and damn it was hard

508
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 4: to watch by the end of it. I mean, he

509
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: kicked the shit out of him, Luke.

510
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: Literally really did. I mean, with Jesus, though the leg

511
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: shots were punishing, I mean, look at these highlights. This

512
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: is this is really what sort of caught my attention

513
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: about the whole thing, BC was that Jesus, where do

514
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: I start. I mean, I kind of have to start

515
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: with Cobb, unfortunately, because that's sort of where I had

516
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 2: framed everything from the get go. I don't really know

517
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: what he got out of this. You can make the

518
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: argument that it's inconclusive. Fine, by the way, here, I

519
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: am drinking my killer Cub mug and coffee. By the way,

520
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: he's got the best you know, athlete endorsed or made coffee,

521
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, that I've ever had.

522
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: It's really really good from Columbia, by the way, should

523
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: be known. But the point I want to make was

524
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: BC he didn't look drained, but his this is what also, Okay,

525
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to like to put a few things here together.

526
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: Two things really stood out to me about cup One

527
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 2: was that he did not look drained, certainly, but on

528
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: the other side, it almost looked like his style was

529
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: not new enough for modern mma. Just see how many

530
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: times he was throwing in like big single strikes, trying

531
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: to get in and then get out. And Martinez was basically,

532
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: for the most part, either eating it or having none

533
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: of it. But when he was eating it, he seemed

534
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: quite durable, and in fact, he was the one dishing

535
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: out the far worst punishment, which I thought was kind

536
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: of interesting. So you had the situation where like, okay,

537
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: the weight cut didn't necessarily hurt him, but I don't

538
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: know that it necessarily elevated him either. And more to

539
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: the point, there might be some durability issues in part

540
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: because hello, he's thirty eight and he's been fighting for

541
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: a very long time. But also on top of that,

542
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: like going down to that weight class and depleting herself

543
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: against a guy who has offense in a lot of

544
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: different phases, is well suited for the weight class, looked

545
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: to be a little bit faster to me, and just

546
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: had a bit more of a modern game that dude.

547
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: That was overwhelming, quite literally, it was overwhelm Cub to

548
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: deal with that. And I'm not here to say that

549
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 2: Martinez is not a good fighter. I think by virtue

550
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: of this performance, anybody like me who is potentially discounting

551
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: him on Friday needs to reevaluate that. But I just

552
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: go back to it. It's like, I think this was

553
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: a great win for Martinez because it showcased all the

554
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: high notes of his game and all the different ways

555
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: in which he can meaningfully score damaging offense, all the

556
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: different phases, all the different ranges, and how much more

557
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: modern his game is. On the other side, it was

558
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: just a bit of a reflection for me on Cub

559
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: where like, he's up, he's down, he's up, he's down

560
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: on the win lost column, but the bansamweight cut man.

561
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: If this was supposed to be the start of a

562
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: new lease on life, I can buy that, you know,

563
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: one fight, last thing. I can buy that one fight

564
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: isn't enough to make a strong determination. But the early

565
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: reviews are not positive.

566
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me put the term I use there

567
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: in the proper context, because people sometimes they missed what

568
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: I'm really trying to say, Luke, is that a meat

569
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: problem or them problem?

570
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: You know?

571
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: In this case, I want to say this, if you're

572
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: expectations where that at thirty eight cups Swanson is going

573
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: to go to a new division that happens to be

574
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: the deepest in the sport and maybe the deepest in history,

575
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: and come through with a spectacular finished performance and announce

576
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: himself as a new contender. Well, I never really firmly

577
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: bought into that in the first place. So when I

578
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: say the results for cub here was kinda what was.

579
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: The word I said, Luke, inconclusive?

580
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: Inconclud I was gonna say, consequential. Inconclusive is to the

581
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: idea of whether long term is this the right move?

582
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 4: Can he have success in this way? Class? I think

583
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: that's still inconclusive. The idea of him and I know

584
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: he's trying to talk himself up. Of course, he did

585
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 4: this for a purpose, to try to enter a new division,

586
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: clean slate, use what he's got left in the take. No,

587
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: this didn't validate any of those those ideas of him

588
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 4: now moving into the top ten. I mean, not only

589
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: did he lost, he got stopped and somewhat brutally to

590
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: be fair, but inconclusive in the larger picture of does

591
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: he have life left?

592
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: Hair?

593
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: I think the question you asked is what did he

594
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: gain from this? Is that an easy cut? I mean

595
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: they talked to it as he was walk into the cage,

596
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: the announcers of you know, he felt like he was

597
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: cut into one forty five too easy in recent years,

598
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: and he really wanted to challenge himself. I don't think

599
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: he needs to run away from bantamweight. I don't know

600
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: if he fully learned exactly what he looks like or

601
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: who he is as a one hundred and thirty five

602
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: pound fighter. But the result certainly puts in a ceiling

603
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: there in terms of what our expectations can be moving forward,

604
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: no question.

605
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I certainly don't question that as well. Now we're

606
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: looking I don't know that this was the kind of

607
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: performance for Martinez that would necessarily put him inside the

608
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: top fifteen space. Because you've got Umar number at thirteen,

609
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: Yan Yez at fourteen, Jack Short at fifteen. He's still

610
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: got some work to do there. As you indicated, it's

611
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: one of the more it's one of the more deeper

612
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: divisions inside the sport. But he said something kind of

613
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: interesting post fight. Remember how we referenced on Friday that

614
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Cub had a weird media day where he had like

615
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: an anger translator who spoke for me. He didn't say

616
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: a word at media day Martinez. No, fighters are going

617
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: to take anything they can as like, oh you're against me,

618
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: well then I'm going to stick it to you kind

619
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: of thing, as like motivational fuel for their careers. But

620
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: he sort of took that as a slight. I didn't

621
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: think that Cub was trying to do that, did.

622
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 4: You what, trying to slight the media and fans.

623
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: No, Cub, by having that weird media day that he

624
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: had was insulting Martinez as somehow not worth his time.

625
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 4: No, you have to wonder if that way Cut turned

626
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: out to be harder than even Cub thought. So he

627
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: just thought, look, let me just conceal myself, you know,

628
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: take the attention off of me, put it on this guy.

629
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'd love to be your anger translator

630
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: in real time. Some argue that I am.

631
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: Luke, you know, are you my anger translator.

632
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: In some ways? Or I might be the activator of

633
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: your anger that's also in play. But no, I didn't

634
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: read anything extra on there. Let me look, look, the

635
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: expectations do have to be you know, tempered. Is that

636
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: the word tempered?

637
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: Tempered? Yes?

638
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: To begin with at thirty eight? Setback, tough, setback. Now

639
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: he's got to figure out what is the is the

640
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: jewice worth the squeeze here? Should I just go to

641
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: back to one forty five and you know, play out

642
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: what I've got left. Luke to be very fair here,

643
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: and it comes been through the wars and he's fought

644
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: everybody that he could, and he almost got to the

645
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: title level, right. He was very close a couple of

646
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: times in terms of getting to the very top of

647
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: that mountain. I don't know how many fights he has

648
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: left on his deal, but this would be the type

649
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: of aging free agent who who could potentially find more

650
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: life elsewhere. Would you say, like a BKFC, No, I

651
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: don't want him to get off the last stop on

652
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: the highway. I'm just saying, if you had found out

653
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: tomorrow that he was inserted into a PFL season, right,

654
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: you'd go, Okay, maybe let's see if you can find

655
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: new life here.

656
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I don't know if they're doing one thirty five.

657
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: Isn't it right that they don't have a one thirty

658
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: five division anymore? Or ever, I don't think they have

659
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: one thirty five? But to your point, could they do

660
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: one forty five? Yes, there certainly is a case to

661
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: be made that, Like, again, he's up and he's down.

662
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: It's not it's not universal and slow and steady the

663
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there is decline in a larger sense,

664
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: but competitively, he's able to amass a win and a loss,

665
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: and a win and a loss, and that's sort of

666
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: where he is. I did not get the impression that

667
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: Cub can't win anymore. That's not the argument that I'm making.

668
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: But when you make a big change like this, it's like, Okay,

669
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: let's see if we can ascertain what the benefit might be.

670
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: And again, you could go back to the Mariish fight,

671
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: which Aldo lost, and you could say, well, you know,

672
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: Aldo didn't necessarily start off all that great either, But

673
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: then if you look at the actual details of the performance,

674
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: you could say Aldo should have won that fight and

675
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: certainly had you know, strong moments where he looked pretty

676
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: good subs and then following that as well, this just

677
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't look like it conferred any benefit. I just didn't see.

678
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: The firepower didn't get added, the durability wasn't necessarily there,

679
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: the speed wasn't necessarily there. And then again, these Bansam weights, man,

680
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: they have really even unranked ones, have much more advanced games.

681
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm looking at who he has lost to Jonathan Martinez

682
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: in the UFC, Davey Grant and andre Ywell being kind

683
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: of the last two. The u Will fight was a

684
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: split decision loss, Grant polished him off, and the second

685
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: with punches seems to me like high pressure guys, either

686
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: in the wrestling or even the striking department, Grant has

687
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: like a high output tend to give him problems. Cub

688
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: being a sort of a single punch guy that's like

689
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: the opposite of the kind of thing that typically gives

690
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: Martinez problems historically speaking. So maybe in the NBC was

691
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: just a bad matchup. It was just a bad matchup.

692
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it happens, you know.

693
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Lastly on this would you want to see cub continue

694
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: to try bantamweight or back to one forty five?

695
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 4: I'd personally like to see him go back to one

696
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: forty five, And that's why I sort of introduced not

697
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: knowing his contract situation, the idea that, like, what is

698
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: left for him? Is it just you know, play out

699
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: what I've left, being some fun competitive fights, try to

700
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: get as many wins as I can, or could it

701
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: be you know, dropping down a bit and taking on

702
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: a different level of competition look elsewhere. I don't know

703
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: his contract situation, but if he's staying, if he's got

704
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: a lot more fights left, you know, he did he

705
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: learn everything he could have learned about what he could

706
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: look like at one thirty five. But I think your

707
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: original question is the one that stands the firmus still

708
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: of you know, only he's gonna know if this is

709
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: actually worth it for him to continue down this path.

710
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won in twenty twenty, in December of twenty twenty,

711
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: beating Daniel Pineda, but then he lost a Giga Jacazi. Okay,

712
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 2: no shame there. He's tough. Then he beat Darren Elkins

713
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, he kyot him inside of a round.

714
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: That's amazing, and then loses to Martinez here at one

715
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: thirty five. That to me does not signal the end

716
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: is imminent. Obviously at thirty eight it probably is closer

717
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: than it is that we might imagine certain scenarios, but

718
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that like, oh, he has to retire

719
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: right away. I don't. I don't think that's quite the case.

720
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: But was not his not his night certainly on Saturday.

721
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: All right, BC, let's talk about Let's talk about the

722
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: boxing side of things, shall we. Now I want to

723
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: I want let's start with this one. Deontay Wilder. He

724
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: wins by ko one punch inside the very first round.

725
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 2: It was and competitive, I mean, I guess for as

726
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: long as it lasted, until it didn't.

727
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: It was competitive. It just when when it's over in

728
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: a while they're fighting, it's fucking over. Luke, Okay, that's.

729
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: The deal, all right, all right, all right, So here's

730
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: the first question I want to ask. And there's not

731
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: much tape to go on, but we talked about how

732
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: he was really light right at the way ends two fourteen.

733
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Is Deontae as good as ever? Or is he knew

734
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: and improved?

735
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: I think it's as good as ever, and that's the

736
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: best you can hope for following two consecutive stoppage losses

737
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: in both you know, one against Fury, the second one

738
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: being one sided, the third one being competitive at times

739
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: largely one sided. But the biggest theme here is that

740
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: you know Wilder was willing to risk it all and

741
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: and got served, took time off, considered retirement, made out

742
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: with his own statue. Now he's back again. At the

743
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: end of the day, did you get the bang for

744
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: your buck if you paid seventy five bucks for this, Well,

745
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: that's you got to debate that with yourself. You still

746
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: got at the end of the day what you were

747
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: looking for. Maybe not a full referendum on exactly where

748
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: Deontay wild there is physically mentally all that in terms

749
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: of we had seen him box eight to nine rounds,

750
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: but he was in there with a guy his size

751
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: who could punch, and they've got history together, and he

752
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: only landed three total punches and needed just one with

753
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: that perfect right hand counter from the corner to knock

754
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 4: this man cold ice cold. So I think, in the

755
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: totality of the build up to this fight and what

756
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: we saw on fight night, he's as good as he

757
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: ever was, Luke, because he's back in the type of shape. Well,

758
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: he never fell out of the shape. The point was

759
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 4: that he added twenty three twenty four pounds of bulk

760
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: for the second and third Fury fight, which strategically not

761
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: a bad idea. But when he's in this you know,

762
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: cruiserweight plus sort of bridger weight area of two fourteen

763
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: two fifteen, he is dangerous. As f we already know.

764
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 4: He has certain sublime superpowers in terms of his intangibles,

765
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: not just the power his gas tank, his ability to

766
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 4: stay poised even if he's losing on the cards and

767
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: still deliver the boom. I think if you take his

768
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: interviews as a whole, the way he looked and acted

769
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 4: here physically in this very very very short window of footage,

770
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: not only is he back, Luke, I'm not sure he's

771
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: not gonna win another heavyweight title before it's all said

772
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 4: and done. He's only he's thirty six. Yes, he'll be

773
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: thirty seven soon, but that's extremely young. Has he taken

774
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 4: a fair amount of damage of late, of course, yes,

775
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: that is also to be expected at heavyweight, but he

776
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: has the great equalizer that I'm sorry, I'm paper unless

777
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: you're Tyson Furior or Alexander Usik. And these are two heavyweights,

778
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: by the way, who are all time heavyweights we're finding

779
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: out seriously. Both need to add a few more names,

780
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: but both have the type of skills and ability that

781
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: you don't see at heavyweight now then you know, in general,

782
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: especially now, but short of those guys, and Wilder could

783
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 4: knock out either of those guys at any given point.

784
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if if there's another heavyweight that can

785
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: go twelve full rounds with him, I don't what I

786
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: like to see him against Andy Ruiz or eventually against

787
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: Anthony Joshua, or against anyone. Yes, Dillian White, I mean

788
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: I want to see wild against everybody, because this is

789
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: what he delivers. But once a couple things are true

790
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: at the same time. One, he's never gonna be the

791
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: boxer in terms of pure ability and technique that's gonna

792
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: win you over or make you not potentially criticize him.

793
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 4: But he's also never gonna be dull. And he's also

794
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: never gonna be out of a fight because he's so strong,

795
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: so athletic, he's so poised, and he never gets enough

796
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: credit for that. This was the full boom. He's back,

797
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: and I think, Luke, he's back in a very big

798
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: way because the only fights we're talking about now are

799
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: the you know, pay per view blockbuster world title variety,

800
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: maybe separate from Andrew Ruiz, who at least is a

801
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: former champion in the same promotional stable as him. This

802
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: is as good as it gets for a Wilder. He's back,

803
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: and I think he's back in a big way. Luke,

804
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: What can you pick apart from this negative nothing at all?

805
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: I mean not much. I mean you kind of know

806
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get with Deontae the way you said it,

807
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: like he doesn't have andre Ward level boxing or footwork

808
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: or anything else like that. But he's patient. He is patient,

809
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 2: and he has you know, a nuclear bomb attached to

810
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: his right hand. I mean, we're talking about a guy.

811
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: We've had this argument a million times or at least

812
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: a debate, and it certainly is one who of the

813
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: hardest punchers in boxing in all time history. You go

814
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: Ernie Shavers or Julian Jackson or whatever, and you know,

815
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: Foreman's another guy you could pick as well. And excuse me,

816
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Wilder doesn't have power in both hands that way, But

817
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: in terms of his power punch his single right hand,

818
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: it's one of the most lethal right hands in the

819
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: history of boxing. Man. I mean, it's the fucking death

820
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: touch this guy. That was even a great punch, uh, Luke.

821
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: To be fair, the knockout in the second Ortiz fight

822
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: kind of reminded me of the punch that he landed here.

823
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 4: Wasn't a perfect punch, didn't turn the chin. It actually

824
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 4: hit him straight on in the nose. But when you've

825
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: got power that's just nuclear and you're able to line

826
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 4: up a straight shot, you don't need the full extension,

827
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: you don't need all the room in the world. You

828
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 4: just need to land that thing. Embody scatter, dude, That's

829
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 4: just what it is. And if there was another hole

830
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: in his game beyond the boxing that you can expose,

831
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: then he wouldn't be who he is today. But because

832
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: there's not, they don't. They don't make people that can

833
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: stand up to him unless they're super duper special. That's

834
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: the reality of heavyweight history, Luke, love them or hate him,

835
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 4: he's still in this game, and he's still very, very viable.

836
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: Well, this is why a performance like this one. I mean,

837
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, whether or not I think you said it correctly,

838
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: whether or not you feel like you got your money's

839
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: worth on pay per view is up to the person

840
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: who purchased it. But what I can say is I

841
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: don't know how you feel. BC. And again, you can

842
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: make all the arguments in the world that for the majority, however,

843
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: lon that fight lasts, Deontay Wilder would be thoroughly outboxed. Fine,

844
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: I seed control of that argument whoever wants to make it.

845
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: But if Deontay Wilder fights Anthony Joshua, I'm picking Deontay

846
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: Wilder ten times out of ten. Sorry, dude, if you

847
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: mean to tell me he only landed three punches on

848
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: Robert Helenius and all he needed was fucking one of them,

849
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: which wasn't even at full extension to do that. You

850
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: cannot sell me on the idea that Anthony Joshua can

851
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: box and move and get out of way of enough

852
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: punches over the course of thirty six minutes to avoid

853
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: a similar fate. I don't buy it. I simply do

854
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: not buy it. I don't believe it. Anthony Joshua is

855
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: a better boxer than Deontay Wilder, but he's not going

856
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: to last in a boxing contest if they ever meet.

857
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Tell me I'm wrong, BCE, Tell me what.

858
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 4: Dude, Tyson Furry is the best heavyweight of this era,

859
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: and he is. If he stays on the path and

860
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: continues to knock off the names. Seriously, he's gonna Pairaschoote

861
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: into that top ten in a very high spot because

862
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: find me another unbeaten six foot nine guy with that

863
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: type of quickness. And he was down four times in

864
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: three fights against Deontay Wilder. I mean, like you know

865
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: how to pull from the grave in round twelve of

866
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: that first fight, Undertaker's style to shoot back up. We're

867
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: gonna talk about him. Maybe the time is now in

868
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: terms of what's next for a Wilder, But you know

869
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: how much I love Alexander Usik, who's undisputed a cruiseweight

870
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: champion now trying to do that at heavyweights, and he's

871
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: in the top five or six pounds for pounds, so

872
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: people have him number one right now. You can't tell

873
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: me if he fights Wilder next or eventually, that that's

874
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: not musty TV every second for how long that fight lasts,

875
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: because even if Usik is dancing circles around him. Usik's

876
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 4: biggest problem is gonna be that I don't think he

877
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: has elite level, you know, recouped ability in this division.

878
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: We know he's not a heavyweight one punch knockout guy,

879
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 4: or even really a knockout guy in general. Dude, Usik's

880
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: gonna be in danger even if he's up eleven rounds

881
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: to zero in that fight. Look, I know Deancey willder

882
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: like he can't avoid criticism. Maybe that's part of why

883
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: that that statue moment was so emotional for him, and

884
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 4: to his words, you know, finally receiving my flowers from people.

885
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: Did he get a raw deal in some ways in

886
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: terms of the American pro sports landscape, which is so competitive.

887
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: The US never fully embraced Wilder when really they should have.

888
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: In the times that they did, it was okay, Yeah,

889
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: he's fun to watch, but man, this guy could now

890
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: box a you know, insert whatever whatever joke you want

891
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: to make. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. I mean, look,

892
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: if I asked you, if I told you that he's

893
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 4: fighting U sick in six months, you can't be confident

894
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: for any single moment of that fight if you're was sick.

895
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: They don't have punchers like this throughout history. There's a

896
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: reason why this guy Wilder's got ten title defenses, which

897
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: is fifth best all time. And and you know who

898
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 4: has he not finished Okay Stevern in the first title

899
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: fight yet because he broke his right hand, but he

900
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: still won it. And Tyson Fury, that's it.

901
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: Everybody else is rematch too. What happened in the Steverne rematch?

902
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: He went to the land of wind and ghosts quickly. Yes, yeah, dude,

903
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Wilder is Wilder is good, by the way, Like, I

904
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: don't know what would be more American than getting a

905
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: late start, not being good at the fundamentals, but having

906
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: so much power that it just overwhelms your foes. That's

907
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: a very American way to fight, I have. I do

908
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: say so myself. But truthly, I think you're right. I mean,

909
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: whether it's in Ruiz, whether it's Alexander Usik, whether it's

910
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua, or whoever they find to face this guy,

911
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: Joe Joyce, that you at any point in time, and yes,

912
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: those guys could put Fury. Excuse me, those guys could

913
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: put Wilder away because he does have some vulnerabilities. We

914
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: saw Tyson Fury and the subsequent fights from the first

915
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: one take the fight to what we're Wilder and then

916
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: get him away early. But of course he had to

917
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: court danger and everything else to do that.

918
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm only pointing out six six.

919
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Nine, I understand. I'm simply pointing out, you know, we

920
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: can't ignore Wilder's vulnerabilities by virtue of his power. But

921
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: the story, the story is, if you look at the

922
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: history of Deontay Wilder's career, the story is really not

923
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: the vulnerabilities. The story is people can't get out of

924
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: the way of thunder and lightning. It's just too difficult

925
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: to do unless, as you articulated quite correctly, BC, you're

926
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: a six foot nine freak Tyson Fury who's just godlike

927
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: level abilities. Short of that, the re is coming. He

928
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: is coming for you, and that power is so destructive

929
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: he needs just that much of it to do unbelievable shit.

930
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty impressive.

931
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: What do you say to people that go, ah, this

932
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: played up to the least like you could argue it

933
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: played up to the least you know of your expectations

934
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: because it was over so quick and it made Hollennius

935
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: look like a pile of crap. We know better to

936
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: know that this could have happened in the tenth round

937
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: as easily it happened in the first, and Hellnius can

938
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: do some things, do you feel, I mean, like when

939
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson was in his prime. You know, also when

940
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 4: Ronda Rousey it was in an early UFC prot It's

941
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: like you're paying for you don't care who the opponent is,

942
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: you don't care how quickly or how late it is.

943
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: You just you just have to see it. I think

944
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: you know we're still there with Wilder. I mean, can

945
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: you is there an argument to make as a consumer that, oh,

946
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 4: Hilarius was never that good to begin with, look at

947
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: what happened?

948
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: No, uh, well did we overseell Hellnious? Maybe talked about

949
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: them about this? How about this? How about this? Let

950
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: me pitch this to you this way. Tell me why

951
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: we did. I didn't over sell him. Tell me why, folks,

952
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: because now, by the way, it should be noted afterwards

953
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: they were friends. You saw Wilder break down the post

954
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: by pres commerce, which I do want to touch on

955
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: a little bit. But there was also a video of

956
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Wilder visiting Helenius in his hotel room long after the

957
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: fight was over, and they embraced and he actually apologized

958
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: to him, and Helenius said something like, don't be sorry.

959
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for twenty five years. I think

960
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: my time is up. But you know, there was a

961
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: lot between them that could explain some of the matchup.

962
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: But did you answer this, BC, tell me why we

963
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: didn't oversell him.

964
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: Look, because we were honest upfront that Helenius was at

965
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: one point a failed you know, kind of a bust

966
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: in terms of he was looking like the future of

967
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: the division ten years ago. We brought up those two

968
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: knockout losses, which you know in hindsight, but he had

969
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: turned his career around the late he was red hot.

970
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: And I think Wilder said it to us in our

971
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: pre fight interview the best. It's like, yeah, I love

972
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: this guy and I'm gifting him this opportunity. But once

973
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: we stepped through those ropes, like the love's gone and

974
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: this is what I do. And you know, again, like

975
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: if this had played out in the seventh round, would

976
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: you have been happier because you've got more time for

977
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: your money? Maybe, But that's what the very few guys

978
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: can do that, Wilder can. I don't think it mattered

979
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: to me. I think Helenius was the perfect challenge size

980
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: wise and strength wise, where if Wilder, who had some

981
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: legitimate questions to answer. Anytime you're talking about retirement and

982
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: then you flip it and come back, there's always legitimate

983
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: questions about where your want is and where it's at. Okay,

984
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: this didn't turn out to be a long, dragged out

985
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: thing where we got to see whether Wilder's gas take

986
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: is still there in his want because he's so fricking dangerous, Okay.

987
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: So like so at the end of the day, Luke,

988
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: it's like there were questions that could have been exposed

989
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: if Wilder wasn't the same guy. But for you know,

990
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 4: two minutes there he kind of looked like the same

991
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 4: guy again. So I don't think we oversold it. That's

992
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: sort of what happens when you're paying to watch somebody

993
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 4: with frightening, all time great power, you know, Tyson Spinx.

994
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 4: It happens.

995
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: Okay, it happens, all right. So there leads to the question,

996
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: let's talk about the real world, the real world, what

997
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: is likely next for him? Is it ruiz or is

998
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: it Usik? Or is it Joshua or is it something else?

999
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: Lay out the realistic likely next opponent for Deontay Wilder.

1000
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 4: All Right, Tyson Fury has to be mentioned in this

1001
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: because I think he's the conductor in some ways of

1002
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen next. He was gonna fight Derek Trasa

1003
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: third time, December third, it's looked at rightfully so since

1004
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: he has two wins over the aging del boy As,

1005
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 4: just to stay busy, bring in a name that Fury

1006
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 4: seems to like a lot, give him his final payday,

1007
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 4: and get out of there. In some ways not completely

1008
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 4: different from what Wilder just did against Helenius. Okay, that's

1009
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: why I don't think we oversold it, because yeah, it

1010
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 4: was Helenius, a setup for Wilder to look good against. Yes,

1011
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 4: also it could have been a trap fight and it wasn't.

1012
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: But if Fury is just doing this, stay busy, to

1013
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: stay fresh and get ready for Alexander Usik in the

1014
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 4: you know, late winter, spring, whatever, whenever they're gonna do

1015
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: it for all four belts, then get Given that Wilder

1016
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 4: and Andy Ruiz are both under the PBC banner, and

1017
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: given that I don't know what Fox's TV future is

1018
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: with PFC, with PBC after this year, but Fox had

1019
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: been so invested in building slowly to this Wilder Ruiz fight.

1020
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 4: Is that a pay per view PBC would seek, whether

1021
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 4: it was on Fox or Showtime. I think so, Luke.

1022
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 4: I think there's money there. I think there's action and

1023
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: fun there, both former champions. I think it would take

1024
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: Tyson Fury purposely delaying or outright saying I don't want

1025
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: this Usik fight, which again would cause another whole you know,

1026
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 4: debate and talk. I think at the end of the day,

1027
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: Fury is that fighting man. He's doing some shell game

1028
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: in bait and switching, but he wants to fight Usik.

1029
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to be able to steal his thunder.

1030
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 4: Wilder would have a chance to steal his thunder in

1031
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 4: a way if he went in there and upset Usik.

1032
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: Fury's already beaten Wilder arguably three times. Would he care

1033
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: about that?

1034
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: No?

1035
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 4: I think Fury still wants to make the history that's

1036
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 4: available to him and take control of the spotlight. Give

1037
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: me Fury Usk next year as the next fight for

1038
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 4: both of them. If he gets by Chesa and give

1039
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: me Wilder Ruiz. It seems to make the most sense.

1040
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: But I think the most fun fight that is also

1041
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: the most important you can make right now, actually would

1042
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: be sliding Usik and Wilder together just might take at

1043
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: the moment.

1044
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, my hunch, and based on nothing other than just

1045
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: a hunch, is that I think Wilder Ruiz will happen next.

1046
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: But the Usik one is interesting. It could happen. It

1047
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: certainly should. Also Joshua is it's such a wild card

1048
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: right now. I don't know what's going to happen with

1049
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 2: him either.

1050
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 4: There's rumors that he might fight Otto Jaleen Anthony Joshua

1051
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: in a comeback fight. What do you think about that,

1052
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: old Valeen?

1053
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: I think it is how he pronounce.

1054
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 4: Again, Yeah, Ato Valeen, who who pushed Fury to the

1055
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: limit there with that cut.

1056
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, if it happened in another jurisdiction,

1057
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: that fight could have been stopped and Volleen could have won.

1058
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: That's a decent fight out of Voleen's probably a little

1059
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: bit overmatched against Joshua, but it's competitive enough that I

1060
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: would care. It's not like but it's certainly not the

1061
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: preferred fight for him. I think that I would argue,

1062
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I could certainly get by on it. But

1063
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: and he probably does need a bit of a tune

1064
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: up right, so not that he's had time off, but

1065
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: to get his mind right. Given how I think devastating

1066
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: the losses to Usik war, But don't hate it, don't

1067
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: love it, but it's it's understandable, is what I would

1068
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: put it.

1069
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 4: What matchups left at heavyweight that we have not seen?

1070
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: What's the one fight you want to see the most,

1071
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 4: or it could be another rematch? What's the what for you?

1072
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: As the heavyweight fan here? You know, in this moment

1073
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: in the second right now, I think I love matchup

1074
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: wise Wilder Usik the best. But if I had to choose, look,

1075
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: I'm taking the history of Usik Fury. Give it to

1076
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: me right now, let me smear it on my face.

1077
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: What tugs at the heartstrings of heavyweight fan Luke Thomas.

1078
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: So certainly Usik Fury for sure. Candidly I go back

1079
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: to it again, Wilder Joshua. I really want to see that.

1080
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: I want to see what it's like. What we're for

1081
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: two guys both you know, tall, big for the weight

1082
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: class obviously, while there is thin relatively speaking, but for

1083
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: a guy, one guy phenomenal athlete and boxer can move

1084
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards, has an entire country behind him

1085
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: against the guy who's gotten not many of some of

1086
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: those same things, but has pretty good durability which we

1087
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: saw and you know, a level of power which we

1088
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: won't see again anytime soon. How does that? How does

1089
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: that pair up? I would really really love to see

1090
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: that one. That one would get me front row for sure.

1091
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: That could be a hell of a non title pay

1092
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: per view if we end up going that route. I mean,

1093
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: imagine if Usik Fury happens but gets pushed off or

1094
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 4: needs a rematch or whatever. If Wilder gets past Joshua

1095
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: and then suddenly, I'm sorry, Wilder gets past who are

1096
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: we talking about, oh Andy Ruiz, and then suddenly Joshua

1097
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: was a vellow. I mean that that's a that's still

1098
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: an eighty thousand soccer stadium without belts, right Joshua and Oliver?

1099
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, oh yeah, that would be for sure,

1100
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: that would do well. I mean yeah, obviously in the UK,

1101
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: not so much here, but yes, yes, that would be enormous, enormous.

1102
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: But you know, again, there's a lot of other permutations

1103
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: you could make that I wouldn't like as much, but

1104
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: I would still like to see a lot And I'm

1105
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: glad I will say this, we should say it. I

1106
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 2: am glad Deontay is back. I am glad Deontay Wilder

1107
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: is back. He is a fun addition to heavyweight boxing,

1108
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: and he's weird in his own way, and he's certainly

1109
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: unique BC, but he the division is better off for

1110
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: the fan experience anyway. When he's competing.

1111
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it brings back that feeling that anything can happen

1112
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 4: right that is always there in combat sports. But sometimes

1113
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: you get too many one sided matchups in a row.

1114
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 4: You know, you get the point. He just cuts right

1115
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 4: through the heart of it. Nothing matters but that right

1116
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: hand and if it can find you in thirty six minutes.

1117
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: So it's as simple and elementary as possible to explain

1118
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: to people, and maybe that's why it's so fun to watch.

1119
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: We see. The last thing I'll say on and excuse

1120
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: me on Deontay Wilder would be that in the post

1121
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: fight presser I indicated he had broken down on talking

1122
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: about what boxers go through. He was very emotional about

1123
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: having to hurt his friend Robert Helenius, and again they

1124
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: embrace later on, and I think it's all good. But

1125
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: I will say that like people were, like, you know,

1126
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: giving him a lot of praise, which I want to

1127
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: as well. This is not an opportunity for me to

1128
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: slam Deontay Wilder. I'm not interested in doing that. But

1129
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: remember in our interview with him, we asked him about

1130
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: a thing that he used to say all the time,

1131
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: which was, you know, I definitely want to catch a body.

1132
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: He was He would openly say he wanted someone to

1133
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 2: die in the ring that he had killed by virtue

1134
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: of fighting then, which I always found very off putting.

1135
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: And I and earlier in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen,

1136
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: I was giving him opportunities to walk it back, and

1137
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: he never did. We asked him about a pre fight,

1138
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: he kind of distanced himself from it a little bit,

1139
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: and then you saw this. It seems like we're getting

1140
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: In many ways, we see the same old Deonte, which

1141
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: is a good thing. But in terms of the mental changes,

1142
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: he has made perhaps a much more mature and I

1143
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 2: think compassionate one, which I'm happy to see.

1144
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 4: Actually I am too. And you know, that same interview,

1145
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: if we had gone the route of did you really

1146
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 4: believe all that stuff you said about Tyson furyor Mark Breelan,

1147
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: then you could have come out of that interview based

1148
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 4: on his responses feeling like nothing's changed. But I do

1149
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 4: agree on that specific topic. I always felt that was

1150
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 4: more showmanship of you know, I'm so nasty that, yeah,

1151
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm trying to catch your body, which you know in

1152
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: this sport where where unfortunately this does happen on all

1153
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: levels on a regular basis, and you know, it's just

1154
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 4: the reality of it. You hate to hear that. But look,

1155
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 4: there's also a lot of stuff said in boxing and

1156
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: MMA that we wouldn't accept elsewhere that we do because

1157
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: it is the fight game. So I never harped too

1158
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: much on it. But I do feel he's mature. I

1159
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 4: feel like, look in anyone that goes through things on

1160
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 4: a very public level, which he has, you know you

1161
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 4: have to you have to come out of that for

1162
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 4: the better or the worse. It is great to see

1163
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: him seemingly have his head on straight in the right spot.

1164
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 4: As he continues his career, he says he wants three

1165
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: years more. Well, there's plenty of fun matchups that we

1166
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 4: could fail for those three years.

1167
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: So let's see, yeah, knock on one, let's go we

1168
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: get a full three? All right? Before we move on

1169
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: from this card, we stay with PBC on boxing. How

1170
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: about old Caleb Plant?

1171
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: Uh?

1172
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: Now, the fight was weird or you know, they were

1173
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: tumbling on top of each other, and you know, Darrell

1174
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: had a couple of big moments and then a couple

1175
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: of the rounds were But in the end Kayleb Plant

1176
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: a one punch knockout over Anthony Durrell BC. Was it

1177
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: a case of Darrell being too old? Or how we

1178
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: continue to underestimate Kayleb Plant?

1179
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: A little of all the above, but I don't put

1180
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: too much in Like, the reality is Darrell is older

1181
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: for sure, and you know, after this type of disastrous

1182
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 4: knockout loss, you do have to look in the mirror

1183
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 4: and say how much do I have left? Should I

1184
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 4: be keeping on? But he was fresh off of a

1185
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: knockout of the Year contender his last fight. This was

1186
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: a big opportunity. It's not that he fought bad leading

1187
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: up to the knockout. It was just that it was

1188
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: somewhat of a grungy, gross, non exciting fight. Both had

1189
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: the moments you kind of expected, but it wasn't consistent,

1190
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: and it was a very almost dirty fight. But how

1191
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: fricking shocking was this finish? Or Kayleb Plant, I mean,

1192
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 4: it's extra shocking considering A, he's not a puncher, He's

1193
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: just not. He's a slick ass boxer. B. There was

1194
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 4: a lot of trash talk leading up to this, a lot,

1195
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: and that just happens in Caleb Plant fights, and it

1196
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: seems like he's fueled by that. But that finish was

1197
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: gore as gorgeous as it was brutal and shocking. A

1198
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: left hook to the body, and just as Darrell slipped

1199
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 4: his right arm down to try to block a follow up,

1200
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: he went back left, took upstairs, cleaned his clock. F you,

1201
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the ultimate fuck you knockout, It

1202
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 4: really is. Of course you had the sprinkles on top.

1203
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: Whether you think it was too far or not of

1204
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 4: his teto or Te's inspired burial afterwards, you know, which

1205
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 4: was either in really bad taste or again just part

1206
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: of the fight game. But Luke's I think a lot

1207
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 4: of the fervor leading up was into this idea that

1208
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: Anthony Durrell may or may not have said somewhere publicly

1209
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 4: that'll never lose to a white guy, and that did

1210
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: harken back to Bernard Hopkins saying the same thing a

1211
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 4: decade and a half ago, ahead of the Joe Calzaggi fight,

1212
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: which he lost. I'll give Anthony Durell credit. He posted

1213
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: a video overnight on Instagram that showed that he's okay.

1214
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: He gave Caleb all the love and respect and said,

1215
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 4: look you got me okay, great punch, great performance, champ.

1216
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 4: But he also said, hey, fans, if you can find

1217
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 4: the video where I said that, I'll give you like

1218
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 4: fifty g's right now. So look, I don't know if

1219
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: he actually did. I heard that he did, but that

1220
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 4: seemed to play into this. There was no love lost

1221
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: between them and old Durell the dog. He got old

1222
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: Yellert in the end. Look at it is what it is,

1223
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: and it's shocking. It's shocking coming from Caleb Plant. I mean,

1224
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 4: but looke in terms of a bounce back. You set

1225
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: this question off talking about Durell's age. How about Caleb

1226
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: Plant bounce him back from the Canalo loss with this

1227
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: right here? You know, money's coming, Money's coming after this performance.

1228
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: Emphatic, emphatic win, really closing the show. I love it

1229
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: when bad blood again. To me, may the best man win,

1230
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: whoever that is. But I like it when bad blood

1231
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: ends at a fight with a definitive, clear, no question

1232
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: about it, conclusion, and that's exactly what you got here.

1233
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: I do think that Darrell's age played a role in it,

1234
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: but I also feel like in terms of his durability,

1235
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: but he didn't see it coming. If you actually watch

1236
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: in slow motion, you see the left hook to the

1237
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: body and then there's a counter which never comes. But

1238
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: Kayleb Plant doesn't go one two. He actually delays his timing,

1239
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: so he goes one wait and then he pops.

1240
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: Hm.

1241
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: Dude, Durrell never saw it coming, Yeah, which means he

1242
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: absorbed every ounce of it and it shut his lights

1243
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: off through That was real good work from Kayleb Plant.

1244
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: That was really solid work.

1245
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: And while this wasn't, again, as we said, a great fight,

1246
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: both had moments like look, Durell landed some stiff sort

1247
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 4: of countershots throughout, but overall the work Plants doing. Now

1248
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: with Stephen Bradman Edwards as his new trainer, his dad

1249
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: Richie still in the corner, they got rid of the

1250
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 4: last guy Justin whatever his name was, but no disrespect there,

1251
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: But you get my point. This seemed like on paper

1252
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: a good relationship, and you saw some new nuances. I mean, again,

1253
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: a guy that's not a puncher, but look, he's pinpoint accurate,

1254
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: he's got speed, and when you hit people with that

1255
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 4: type of combination late in a fight. I mean, did

1256
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: you like when he well, let's start here, Luke. You've

1257
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 4: seen the teet orties impersonation a lot. But referee Harvey

1258
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 4: Doc wanted nothing to do with Caleb pouring the dirt

1259
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 4: on top of the reference he doing.

1260
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: Dude, get the fuck out of here with that? What

1261
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: is he doing?

1262
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1263
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are you alone as a I mean, as a referee,

1264
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: I do think you have some discretion over taunting or certainly,

1265
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: and you cannot interfere, for example, with any kind of

1266
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: medical personnel. That is a definite no no. But you

1267
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: know everyone in boxing clutching their pearls. Listen to me,

1268
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: Deontae saying it previously, he doesn't say it anymore, It

1269
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: seems like but previously saying you wanted to catch your body.

1270
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: I found it very off putting and I didn't like it.

1271
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: But I didn't think he should be like fine for it.

1272
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: I didn't think he should be have a point taken away.

1273
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: I didn't think he should be anything other than like

1274
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: dissuaded from saying or even thinking those kinds of things.

1275
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: Now Here am I going to say that like this

1276
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: was a great display of sportsmanship from Caleb Plant. No,

1277
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: of course. Now, but dude Plant, if you guys aren't

1278
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: paying attention, he does have a fair amount of supporters.

1279
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: That dude has to eat a lot of shit all

1280
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: the time for some reason. He's also a magnet for

1281
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people who just doubt him and talk

1282
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: bad about him, including this opponent, including lots of people

1283
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: on the Internet and every other place. And this is

1284
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: not a sport where necessarily sportsmanship always rains. Did I

1285
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: like the fact that he was doing the gravedigger a

1286
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: la Tito Ortiz over Anthony Durell, just laying there like that? No,

1287
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Do I think the referee should

1288
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: be interfering in this kind of way? Get the fuck

1289
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: out of here? Do these guys say mean things to

1290
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: each other? You don't have to like it, but you

1291
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: don't have to be so censorious about it either.

1292
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: I bet. Look, I'm sure Harvey Duck just wanted to

1293
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 4: keep him away from the hurt body. I mean, look,

1294
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: if that escalated to like Caleb leaning over him and

1295
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 4: doing the DX chop while t bagging him, You're gonna

1296
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 4: want to remove him from that in that moment. But

1297
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: you know, masma Al was able to dive on the

1298
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: canvas next to Askron's fallen body and do a couple

1299
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 4: couple skits there, I mean skits and bits. It happens.

1300
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 4: Look after he did the grave digger, did you see

1301
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 4: Plant lean over the ropes, point to Jamal Charlow at

1302
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 4: ringside and talk that shit at Luke.

1303
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: That I did I miss that?

1304
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 4: Huh? That copy doing this while I was watching it?

1305
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Let's go, Let's go.

1306
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: So we do. We could do Plant, Let's talk about it.

1307
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: We could do Plant versus Benavidez. We could do Plant

1308
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: versus Charlo. What is a likely next step for kayleb Plant? Because,

1309
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: as you indicated, Durrell not the biggest name, but as

1310
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: emphatic a win as he could get given the circumstances.

1311
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: Drell is still a name in boxing. It just comes

1312
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 4: down to whether you thought he was too old comported.

1313
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean not an in prime name,

1314
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: that's not.

1315
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 4: The former two time champion, but not at his best anymore.

1316
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: Look the two fights to target toward to whether their

1317
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: next story you're building towards Sometimes I don't think they

1318
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 4: need to build toward it. Plants currently not a champion,

1319
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: doesn't have any mandatories lined up. It's either road and

1320
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: let's hope the winners face each other after that. But

1321
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 4: it's either let's go the direction of Benavidez, which is

1322
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: a tougher fight on paper for Kayleb Plant than Jamal Charlo,

1323
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 4: who would be moving up in wait. But also there

1324
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: is a you thought the build up for Durell versus

1325
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 4: Plant was rough. Dude Plant hates the Benavitas brothers and

1326
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: father way more. In fact, you go on YouTube after

1327
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: the show and type up their history, you'll see them

1328
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: almost get into a brawls inside of gyms, a lot

1329
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: of trash talk going on back and forth. But you know,

1330
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: how about Jamal Jamal Charlow, who Luke is coming off

1331
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: not a great performance, although we found out afterwards that

1332
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 4: the guy he fought, one Macius Montiel is just a

1333
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: I mean a mule, a ball, whatever you want to

1334
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 4: call him not easy to handle that guy. Although Carlos

1335
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: Adamis did. Carlo Sadamis wants Jamal Charlo. Charlo had been

1336
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 4: out for a bit with an injury. He was supposed

1337
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 4: to fight Machi Sileski. It didn't happen. If he's going

1338
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: to go up to sixty eight, look the time might

1339
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 4: be now, you know, the time might be now, and

1340
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 4: him versus Caleb Plant would be a hell of a fight.

1341
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 4: But sometimes people covet belts or you know whatever. More

1342
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 4: I mean, look, everyone's in the same stable, PBC. Let's

1343
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 4: make it happen, don't. I don't doubt that we're going

1344
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 4: to see it. But this is just got to get

1345
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 4: you excited for the future. Either road that Plant could

1346
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: take is big money, is fun. Let's do it. Let's

1347
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 4: do because Luke, that's a that's a that's a grown

1348
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: ass man performance there from Kayleb Plant to finish it.

1349
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: Really was that was that was a great and again

1350
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: I want to be clear, like he didn't have a

1351
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: whole lot for Canelo necessarily offensively, but he fought well

1352
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: in as much as one could given the circumstances. And

1353
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: but he lost obviously got finished in the eleventh and

1354
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: then to come back and then have this kind of

1355
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: a win. I was like, that's a great, great comeback

1356
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: opportunity there for Caleb.

1357
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: Would you sacrifice Adamas Jermal to get Jamal and Caleb

1358
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 4: plant on the same road to fight each other? Now, yes, yes, Okay, okay,

1359
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: because I don't want to. I don't want Carlos Damas

1360
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: to miss his chance because he's he's coming on.

1361
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, he certainly is. All right. Speaking of people who

1362
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: had standout weekends, how about the women of boxing? In

1363
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: many ways, they were the star of the show. I

1364
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: suppose Wilder took some of that. But here we go.

1365
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: Let's start with Clarissa excuse me, Clarissa Shields. She gets

1366
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: a win over Savannah Marshall, but BC, she indicated, first

1367
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: of all, was split. I believe right, maybe nous sorry

1368
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: bum Garner and Mikaela Mayra was split. It was unanimous,

1369
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: but but it was very close. And Shield said afterwards,

1370
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: that was the toughest fight of her career. What did

1371
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: she prove of this victory?

1372
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 4: Everything? I know that some people are tough on Clarissa.

1373
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 4: They don't like her personality, they don't like that she's

1374
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 4: edgy or she has a chip on her shoulder. She

1375
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: called herself the guode after about two or three pro fights.

1376
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: But what has she done as a pro? Take on

1377
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 4: every challenge possible, move up and down and wait, this

1378
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 4: was against the only person pro amateur that had beaten her.

1379
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 4: Marshall's been knocking people out left and right. So here's

1380
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: what Clorissa Shields decided to do in this fight, this

1381
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 4: grudge match, this historic first all women's you know boxing card,

1382
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 4: not box from the outside, not you know, not feather fist.

1383
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: She stood in the lions then against a bigger puncher,

1384
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 4: took some heavy shots, including that straight right hand around

1385
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: two from Marshall that if shield was gonna have a

1386
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 4: problem with her power, it was gonna be on that show.

1387
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 4: And Luke, whether it was sound strategy or not, stood

1388
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 4: in front of a bigger, taller puncher the whole fight

1389
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: and just Outclaster. Now it wasn't one sided. This was

1390
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: not only a competitive fight. You had people online going

1391
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 4: that's the best women's fight I've ever seen. I mean,

1392
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: I don't think it was better or even bigger than

1393
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 4: Taylor Serrano, but that's you know, apples and Ounja's but

1394
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: it might be the second greatest women's fight we've seen

1395
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 4: in terms of steaks, both you know unification, both twelve

1396
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: and zero O two arena rocking and Luke Corresta. Shields

1397
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 4: won the weekend. I'm not lying. She stood at the

1398
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 4: strength of her opponent. And let's give Savannah Marshall some credit.

1399
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 4: She had Peter Fury in a corner, the uncle, of

1400
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 4: course of Tyson and Huey Fury, the cousin the former

1401
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 4: heavyweight contender, or maybe still in the corner. And I

1402
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: like the wrinkles Savannah Marshall has added to her game.

1403
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 4: She's able to use stance switching and shoulder movement to

1404
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: get off shots from weird ankles. But Shields was just

1405
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 4: better in those angles, and she didn't back away from

1406
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 4: the danger. She went tore no at the end of

1407
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: the day with two minute rounds and ten round fights.

1408
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: In the current women's game, Clurisia shield is not a

1409
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: knockout puncher, but she's also not boring. She's not safe.

1410
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: She went in there. I love the sportsmanship between them afterwards,

1411
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 4: where Savannah said she is the greatest of all time

1412
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 4: and Luke, I think we really have to have this discussion,

1413
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 4: I mean not maybe not a permanent discussion, but as

1414
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: much as we may get annoyed by the marketing of

1415
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 4: this guoat thing greatest woman of all time, Clorisia Shields

1416
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: has two Olympic gold medals, she has thirteen pro fights.

1417
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 4: She's won titles in three divisions, and she's been the

1418
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 4: four belt undisputed champion now three times. And it's not

1419
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 4: against people you've never heard of. Although in general in

1420
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 4: her weight ara areas, she doesn't have the same access

1421
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: to super elite fighters that maybe Taylor and Serrano have

1422
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 4: at the moment, but she seeks out who's ever tough

1423
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: and whoever can bring it. And you're the undisputed champion

1424
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: separate times. You went in there and waxed Christina Hammer,

1425
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 4: who was unbeaten in a champion for a decade, and

1426
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 4: now you went in here against an even more dangerous

1427
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 4: foe it turned out, and you walked up to her

1428
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 4: porch and said, let's do it right now on your terms.

1429
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 4: If you want to put Taylor a Serrano right now

1430
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: at the moment, pomp for pound number one above her,

1431
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: that's you know, there's arguments to be made, But Clarisia

1432
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 4: Shields is the best fighter in the world right now

1433
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 4: in women's boxing in my opinion, and I actually don't

1434
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 4: think she's that far from this idea of quote becoming

1435
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 4: an actual reality because there's not an ounce of smoke

1436
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 4: that she's not chasing down to try to get at

1437
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 4: this moment. How the hell can you watch this fight,

1438
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 4: which was exciting as heck, and not come away twice

1439
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 4: as impressed as you work about Cloisia Shields in the beginning.

1440
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only knock seriously, and I think I mean this,

1441
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: the only knock on her game is she just doesn't

1442
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: have the power that really is the limiting factor in

1443
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: what she offers. But to your point, dude, she is

1444
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: courageous in there. Now. I didn't love some of the

1445
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: tactical points in time where Marshall was backing her up

1446
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: and she was either against the ropes for too long

1447
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: or a couple times in the corner, but even then

1448
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: she was finding shots to roll and then sneak in

1449
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: uppercuts or you know, fire back and not let Marshall

1450
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: really take too much advantage of it. And in general,

1451
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: the strategy of trying to push into Marshall so she

1452
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: could kind of in the words of Timothy Bradley, smother

1453
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 2: some of that power. Dude, that's not easy to do.

1454
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: That is very difficult, and she pulled it off even

1455
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: while having sort of a power disadvantage. And by the way,

1456
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: Marshall just looked a lot bigger than her too. By

1457
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: the way, like Marshall looked like she was in a

1458
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: different weight class when they were finally there competing. Dude,

1459
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: I will give Clarissa Shields all the credit in the world.

1460
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: She dares to be great, and I'm not gonna say

1461
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: she's limited. She's a very talented boxer, but she doesn't

1462
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: rely on, you know, the kinds of things that, for example,

1463
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: Dante Water is able to do. I don't begrudge him

1464
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: that either, but you know, she just gets it done

1465
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: with skill, daring, and it seems like an incredible amount

1466
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: of determination where it puts her BC in the larger

1467
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: questions you're asking about greatest women of all time currently

1468
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: pop for pound best. I don't really know. I don't

1469
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 2: have a clear sense of it. But this was, as

1470
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: she indicated, the toughest fight of her career. You could

1471
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: see she had to really dig deep to do what

1472
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: she wanted to do, and in the end she did

1473
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 2: it with a very hard game plan to pull off.

1474
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: I think that was the part that was interesting to me.

1475
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: She wasn't jabbing and moving. She was going into the power,

1476
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 2: not away from it. That is highly commendable.

1477
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 4: She won every statistical category in this fight according to CompuBox,

1478
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 4: But I think what stood out to me was, again

1479
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: against a bigger puncher, she landed forty percent of her

1480
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 4: power shots. And Luke, you had people even like E. J. Smith,

1481
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 4: former world champion, on Twitter, going find me another fighter

1482
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 4: male or female that's a better combination puncher than Chlorisa Shields.

1483
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: And you know, while that does seem like a large

1484
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 4: statement her her she is so sharp. I mean, you know,

1485
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 4: for not having the power in a one punch variety,

1486
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 4: her shot are so crisp on the money, shortest distance,

1487
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 4: and when she's able to duck and come in and

1488
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 4: out and show you those angles and throw combinations. Man,

1489
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 4: there are very few in this game who look exactly

1490
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: like that she And look at that corner at the

1491
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 4: moment right now, right, I mean, she's just it's just

1492
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 4: John David Jackson's in there. I mean, there's she's She's

1493
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 4: only getting better and she's only twenty seven. She flirted

1494
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 4: with MMA, had you know she had okay success for

1495
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 4: day one, just walking over into it. But I think

1496
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 4: she's gonna walk away as the quote, I really do,

1497
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: and if this ends up being her toughest of performance.

1498
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 4: She passed this test with flying colors. Got a little

1499
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 4: on her, but that's expected at this level. I got

1500
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for what t Rex did. Does

1501
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 4: she still go by that name?

1502
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: No? Right, No, I think it's a quote now. In fact,

1503
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: that's how they announced it when they announced the decision BC.

1504
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: Would you like to see her continuing to try MMA?

1505
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 4: Yes and no. Do I think it's the best use

1506
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 4: of her time and talents, given how far ahead she

1507
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 4: is in boxing to the other short of that punching

1508
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 4: power as we mentioned, No, but it is. I mean,

1509
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: tell me you're you're more the pure MMA guy than me.

1510
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 4: I find her MMA fights fascinating, not only in the

1511
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 4: in the in the daring nature of them, but the

1512
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 4: way that she tries to compensate for for you know,

1513
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 4: lack of true skills with just dogged determination. I think

1514
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 4: it's fun to watch if matched soberly.

1515
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even in MMA when she is in bad positions.

1516
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: She doesn't. She fights courageously there as well, like she

1517
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 2: fights with determination to problem solve here and here the

1518
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: way sort of to borrow from kayleb Plant in that way,

1519
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: she she's overmatched sometimes against a grappler, for example, but

1520
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: she doesn't like you always imagine a boxer being trying

1521
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: to be too safe, like for example, look at the

1522
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: way we had Demetris Johnson. I wasn't there for it

1523
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: when you guys had him for Rooms of Staries when

1524
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: it was you and Chuck and he talked about how

1525
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: Ratan came out in the first round when it was

1526
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 2: striking and he was just you know, all gusto. And

1527
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: the second round is a totally different ballgame, like shields,

1528
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 2: same energy, same energy. No matter whether she is the favorite,

1529
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: whether it's boxing, whether she's the underdog, whether it's MMA,

1530
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: she fights with the same kind of courageousness everywhere. My

1531
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: answer to the question about whether she should try it

1532
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: is you point it out. She's twenty seven. I don't

1533
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: care which one she does, but she needs to pick one,

1534
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 2: and that's it because if she wants to keep going

1535
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: in boxing, I think she can. I think women's boxing

1536
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: is beginning to have something of a renaissance, a little

1537
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: bit or wherever you want to call it. There are

1538
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: opportunities for her in MMA, but I do not want

1539
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: to see her go back and forth and back and forth.

1540
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: That's fun as like a one or two time. Hey,

1541
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: I'll go and check this out. That's not really pursuing

1542
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: sustained greatness. And I would just like her to pick

1543
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: one and then go do that.

1544
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 4: And well, maybe maybe there's going to be no need

1545
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 4: for the MMA side anymore. She just headlined the first

1546
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: all women's cardinate. It was p look, we'll see some

1547
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 4: of this and have you seen this shit? But do

1548
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: you see the entrances that each woman had, Luke? It

1549
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 4: was like, oh, each woman came out with dancers and

1550
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 4: choreographed movements. I mean it was rock and roll. I mean, look,

1551
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 4: first of all, the UK is amazing at that. We've

1552
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 4: seen that for Anthony Joshua fights. But it was just

1553
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 4: presented as big Taylor Serano just happened at MSG. I

1554
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 4: I don't think you know, Chloris is gonna need this anymore.

1555
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: But uh, Luke, she's been through a lot in her

1556
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 4: life and she doesn't She hasn't always told the full story.

1557
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if you watch some of those pre

1558
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 4: fight features about how she was, you know, raped at

1559
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 4: five years old by a family member, and was at

1560
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 4: odds with her mom for years for siding with the

1561
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 4: wrong person or dad was in jail until she was ten.

1562
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 4: I mean, she's been through it, grew up in Flint.

1563
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 4: That's you know, in our country, that's about as hard

1564
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 4: as it gets. And and look where as she is now.

1565
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 4: And look, you know, every other interview she'll say shit,

1566
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 4: that'll it's probably bound to get you upset. But she's

1567
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: true to herself and I've always respected that. And then

1568
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 4: look at her now, I mean, this is this is greatness.

1569
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 4: We're watching it now.

1570
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: For as great that was there was was also great

1571
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: in the Comaine, but it was a different kind of

1572
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: fight and a surprising one. I think for us, both

1573
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: of us thought that Mikaela Mayor was going to get

1574
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: the win. BC. You could maybe make a case that

1575
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: she did. I rewatched it today and I feel like

1576
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: the judges got it right. At LEASTI a Bumgardner gets

1577
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 2: the split decision win over Mikayla Mayer. So let me

1578
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: ask you first, did the judges get it right. What

1579
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: can we say about Bumgardner's performance.

1580
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 4: I think the fight was a draw. That's how I

1581
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 4: had it. I also tweeted out if you had it

1582
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 4: six four or six rounds to four in either direction,

1583
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 4: I would have been fine with that. There was one

1584
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 4: judge that had it what seven rounds to three for

1585
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 4: Mayor that a lot of people didn't really love. But

1586
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 4: here's the deal. At the end of the day, was

1587
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 4: this fight fun to watch to a degree? Yes? I

1588
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 4: think both left a little on the table, though, meaning

1589
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 4: in the second half of this fight when there was

1590
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 4: an opportunity potentially. I know they were very evenly matched,

1591
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 4: so maybe that's part of it, but I felt like

1592
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 4: neither one seized the moment by the way, I love.

1593
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 4: I got a couple things to say here. Okay, first,

1594
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 4: let's start with Tim Bradley. I love who Tim Bradley

1595
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: is becoming fully as an announcer. He's honest, he tells

1596
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 4: the truth, whether it's against the you know, against the

1597
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 4: sort of narrative of the network at the time. I

1598
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 4: will say ESPN's got things to fix regarding both of

1599
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 4: their fight cards, the HAINI and this one because of

1600
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 4: having announcers in different countries that delay. Christina Pontcher, who

1601
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 4: was the female play by play announcer for this Shields

1602
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 4: and Bombgartner cards.

1603
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: They kept like us right now. They kept stepping on

1604
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: each other.

1605
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 4: It was awful, and she was tweeting out during the

1606
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 4: fight that they've got a five second delay because Ward's

1607
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 4: doing it from his house, Bradley's doing it from his house,

1608
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 4: Kreegle's doing it from his house. That was clunky and

1609
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 4: it made this look amateur second. Separate from that, I

1610
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 4: thought Tim Bradley kind of summed it up best, and

1611
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 4: I agree with him. It's like neither fighter. I don't

1612
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 4: want to say neither fighter deserved to win this. That's

1613
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 4: not what I'm saying, But I'm saying neither fighter left

1614
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 4: no doubt. So at the end of the day, it

1615
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 4: is up to the judges. It's either a draw or

1616
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 4: one of them wins closely. But let's give Alicia Bombgartner

1617
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 4: credit for coming out with her hands on top. Something

1618
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 4: we didn't talk about leading into this fight, Lucas. She

1619
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 4: wasn't really supposed to be in this fight. She had

1620
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 4: upset Terry Harper and was somewhat an unknown and had

1621
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 4: leaped into that, you know, through the screen in that

1622
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: night on TV and made her statement in some ways

1623
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 4: she did that against Mayor here. Look, even though the

1624
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 4: better moments for Bombgartner came early, the fact that she

1625
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 4: was able to in some ways disarmed Mikaela for long

1626
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: stretches by being so athletic and dangerous and finding a

1627
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 4: home for that looping right hand which had some pop

1628
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 4: on it. Look, they both had ebbs and flows where

1629
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 4: either one took control. But I think she established something early,

1630
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 4: and in the women's game with ten rounds two minute rounds,

1631
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 4: you've got to establish something or you could risk losing,

1632
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 4: you know, even if you thought you won. I think

1633
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 4: she had established enough danger early and then was competitive

1634
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 4: enough late where her getting her hand raised. Nothing really

1635
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 4: wrong you can say about it. This was another breakthrough,

1636
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: gutsy performance from bon Gartner, who's got an infectious person.

1637
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, she had some kind of boxing trunks

1638
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 4: we've never seen I don't think before on a male

1639
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 4: or female. I mean it was that was a little

1640
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 4: aggressive there, Luke, but she she has like this star

1641
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 4: value to her. You gotta win to make it matter.

1642
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 4: She's winning, it's it's mattering though.

1643
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: I thought she won. I thought Bumgardner won. I thought

1644
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: that Mikhayla had a good round four. So some other

1645
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: rounds through the middle, maybe like round eight or something

1646
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 2: like that. But the speed of Bumgardner, the power punching,

1647
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: and just the trap she was setting every time Mayor

1648
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 2: was trying to get on the inside, she was just

1649
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: kind of overwhelming her and flurrying her, and and Mayor

1650
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: just didn't seem to have a great answer. If you

1651
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: look at the numbers, we see the big difference is

1652
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: that Mayor landed a lot more jabs and then Bumgardner

1653
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: landed a lot more power punches. I'm not going here

1654
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: to say that that that means that the person who

1655
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: throws power punches should always win. There obviously can be

1656
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: very situationally dependent, But in this case, I actually do

1657
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: I actually do think that it was like double digits more,

1658
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: or I think like twenty or thirty more as a

1659
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: matter of fact. So for me, it just seems like

1660
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: she was doing the more damaging work all the way,

1661
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: all the way the majority of the way through. Although

1662
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: to your point, I don't really disagree with the larger message,

1663
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: which was did she affirmatively say that, you know, I'm

1664
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: the queen Bee, so to speak with these three belts

1665
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: on the line. No, I didn't see that necessarily, and

1666
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: which is weird, by the way, BC, because she poop

1667
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 2: poo talk of a rematch, did she not?

1668
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so all that saw. Here's what's interesting. There

1669
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 4: was the sauciest of build ups in terms of hatred,

1670
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 4: and it got us all super excited. The fight didn't

1671
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 4: didn't at all look like the build up. In fact,

1672
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 4: they were both, as Tim Bradley was saying, give him

1673
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 4: credit again, they were fighting very professional. They put all

1674
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 4: the crap behind them. But even though they were cordial

1675
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 4: to each other afterwards. I kind of like seeing that

1676
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 4: spice come back and Baumgartner, who was like, wait, you know, Bomgarner. First,

1677
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 4: before we talk about Katie Taylor, she does want to

1678
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 4: unify completely. There's another bell told her here at one

1679
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 4: hundred thirty pounds, she wants to become under disputed. First.

1680
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 4: I almost kind of liked her her spighting, knowing that

1681
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 4: you know, there's a good chance she could see Mayor

1682
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 4: again and it would be maybe a bigger deal if

1683
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 4: you wait a little bit and let them both go

1684
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: their secretary paths. But Luke I wanted to close talk

1685
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: about Bombgardner by bringing up the copy box numbers. Again,

1686
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 4: they don't always tell the story, but they certainly can

1687
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 4: be helpful in building your argument and sustaining it. Even

1688
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 4: though we looked at this as Mayor the boxer versus

1689
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 4: Alicia the power puncher, Bombgartner did outland Mayor overall one

1690
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 4: sixteen to one oh four. She landed a better percentage

1691
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 4: of her punches, and she landed forty percent of her

1692
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: power shots, So she really did do it across the board.

1693
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 4: I mean, is it is there anything negative in me

1694
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: saying neither fighter you know, fully seize the day? Is

1695
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 4: was that more due to how competitive they were, Luke?

1696
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 4: Or do you feel like maybe they both held back

1697
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 4: a little bit too much? I?

1698
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: You know, I don't really like the holding back argument.

1699
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 2: If you have to fight technically, because if you don't,

1700
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: you'll lose. What the fuck are you supposed to do?

1701
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: Like if you there was not a lot of room

1702
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: for error for either opponent in this way, in the

1703
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: way in which they matched up, and I think they

1704
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: realized that after a couple of rounds in like you know,

1705
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to be very, very careful. This fight's

1706
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 2: going to get away from you, even though the fights

1707
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: are especially as you indicated with the fights being two

1708
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 2: minute rounds, like yeah, that's that round.

1709
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 4: That should actually be the answer to this question at

1710
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 4: the end, like we're already well passed the day about

1711
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 4: complaining about why this is still a thing, but this

1712
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 4: actually prevented this fight from really telling us who won.

1713
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 4: Which again, you know, maybe that's why you started this

1714
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 4: part of the conversation by teeing up should she want

1715
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 4: a rematch? Should there be a rematch? If you want

1716
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 4: to argue that there should be, you're gonna use the

1717
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 4: ten minute the ten rounds two minutes because we didn't

1718
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 4: really fully get the answers to all the questions. That's

1719
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 4: for sure.

1720
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: Yes, that is indisputable. Indisputable. We certainly did not. And

1721
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: again I think you can make a case for mayor.

1722
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm just saying I agreed with the judges,

1723
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: noting full well that it was very very competitive all

1724
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: the way through, and that, by the way, I'll say this.

1725
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: At first, I was like, oh, she's not going to

1726
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: give a rematch. That sucks, But then I was like,

1727
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: you know what, man, fuck all these rematches. Go do

1728
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: something else. Go do something else. I agree, like if

1729
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: you're if you guys are, or if you ladies are

1730
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: exactly who you say you are, and certainly Bumgardner is,

1731
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: is you know, the pre eminent talent in this weight

1732
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: class at the present moment, Mayor will find her down

1733
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: the line, make it down the line, do it a

1734
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 2: different time. I don't need to see it right now, which,

1735
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 2: by the way, BC leads me to point number five

1736
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: if we can speak.

1737
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 4: Hold on before you go there, Luke, give me ten

1738
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 4: seconds of your time here with us.

1739
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead.

1740
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 4: Do either of these women, Mikayla Mayor or Alsia Baumgartner,

1741
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 4: if they move up to one thirty five and enter

1742
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 4: the Katie Taylor conversation? Are they a threat to Katie

1743
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 4: Taylor or or Amanda Serrano either one?

1744
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 2: Are they?

1745
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 4: You know? We consider Taylor Serrano, along with Shields, at

1746
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 4: a level above the others in the in the pomp

1747
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 4: for Palm, although Sinisa Strauda, I'll give her my respect

1748
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 4: for sure. Do you think either of these fighters can

1749
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 4: give an aging a Katie Taylor? I think it's like

1750
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 4: thirty six, right, can they give her trouble.

1751
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: I'll say this gun to my head. I would not

1752
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: pick either of them over Katie Taylor. I would pick

1753
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor to win. But I'd be interested in seeing them.

1754
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: I'd be because again I thought I thought Mayer was

1755
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna win. I thought she was gonna win somewhat comfortably. Nope, Nope. Still,

1756
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 2: it would be weird of me to not give Katie

1757
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Taylor the benefit of that more than just the benefit

1758
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 2: of doubt, the confidence and her abilities and what she

1759
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: has shown. But I would like to see it. I

1760
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: would like to see it. Serno actually think is a

1761
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: worst matchup for both of them.

1762
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 4: You might be right, isn't this crazy that Serrano's compiling

1763
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 4: belts right now at one twenty six, these ladies were

1764
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: at one thirty Taylor's at one thirty five. We already

1765
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 4: know Serrano's won titles in almost every division that she

1766
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 4: can make wait for, you know, more decorated in some

1767
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 4: ways than even Manupacciow. I mean, that'll that'll probably never

1768
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 4: get her the respect it actually deserves. But like she

1769
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 4: fought at one eighteen and then four months later fought

1770
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 4: at you know, one thirty five, and then six months

1771
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 4: later came back to I mean she's like, this is

1772
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 4: I guess what you have to do if you want

1773
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 4: to be great. While the women's boxing side is this

1774
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 4: fledgling right now at the moment. I mean, they've got momentum,

1775
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 4: they're building, right, We're getting, We're getting. We're getting to

1776
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 4: a better place, to be fair than even the Leila

1777
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 4: Ali and Wolf Christy Martin era era. That era had

1778
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 4: you know, some pay per view kind of attention grabbing stuff.

1779
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 4: But this era has better, more evolved fighters. What Serrano

1780
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 4: has done to get to get her greatness, it's remarkable. Seriously,

1781
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 4: I mean it's right.

1782
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 2: I agree with that, yeah, completely all right, But speaking

1783
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: of just utterly unnecessary rematches b see, I checked to

1784
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 2: see what was trending on YouTube in the United States.

1785
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: Now again, people think that that will just naturally organize

1786
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: around your preferences. It does not. It is geo located,

1787
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: so it's different for what's trending in the UK versus

1788
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: the United States. Think of it as top forty. Your

1789
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: top forty chart here is not going to be this

1790
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: aim is your top forty chart there, but it's not

1791
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: individually changed. So I looked at the trending videos of

1792
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: all the sports events combat Sports Later over the weekend.

1793
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: There was a video for Wilder that trended. There's a

1794
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: video for Caleb Plant that trended, and I think there

1795
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: may have been one for Clarissa Shields. There was nothing

1796
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: for Devin Haney, despite the fact that he ran over

1797
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: old George Cambosis better this time than he did the

1798
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: first time. BC. Did we learn anything from this utterly

1799
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: unnecessary fight?

1800
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 4: We learned very little. Was it utterly not necessary? Yes,

1801
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 4: this turned out to be the tax that Haney had

1802
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 4: to pay to gain control of his career to move

1803
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: as a free agent from the Zone and Matchroom to

1804
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 4: ESPN a top rank because Cambosis was the power player

1805
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 4: coming off the tail Femal fight. We get it, he

1806
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 4: had to sign this. He's got one fight left on

1807
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 4: his top rank deal now. But it's weird. We weren't

1808
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 4: excited about this fight at all. At some points this

1809
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 4: fight was competing with fights on other cards. You had

1810
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 4: have two screens up and this wasn't even wider and

1811
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 4: almost in some you know, on paper easier when for

1812
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 4: Hani than this than their first meeting, and the scores

1813
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: were wide this time around yet this flight was way

1814
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 4: more fun to watch than the first one, Cambosis. You know,

1815
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 4: was it effective for him to constantly switch stances and

1816
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 4: try all this wild shit?

1817
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: No?

1818
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 4: But I give him credit for saying, I gotta do

1819
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 4: something different, because if I try to box this guy,

1820
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 4: I'm getting handled. If I rushed this guy recklessly, I'm

1821
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 4: probably getting knocked out. He did find it in between,

1822
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 4: where he was able to get inside on Haiti at

1823
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 4: times land shots. Was it enough to make an imprint

1824
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 4: on the scorecards?

1825
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: No?

1826
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 4: Was it enough to make this rematch viable or necessary? No?

1827
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 4: But I do give him credit for saving face the

1828
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 4: best he could. He gave Hane the toughest fight he

1829
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 4: was physically capable of. Would you agree that was more

1830
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 4: entertaining than the first or did you just poo poo

1831
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 4: this so badly? You missed that, Luke, because I almost

1832
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 4: missed it. I'd almost did. There are times I'm.

1833
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I acknowledge it was a better fight

1834
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: than the first one, but the problem was, like, Okay,

1835
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: the problem with that is that the first fight was

1836
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: boring as shit, like Hani was just jabbing and clinching

1837
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 2: and again masterfully like I'm not saying like, oh, he

1838
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: was just you know, phoning it in. He was not

1839
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: phoning it in, but he had a certain thing that

1840
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: was working for him, and he just wrote it out

1841
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: for the full twelve rounds and Cambosis either didn't want

1842
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: to do more or just elected not to or just

1843
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: couldn't either way, and so the fight just ended up

1844
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 2: being what it was. So the fact that it was

1845
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 2: better than the first one is true, but to me,

1846
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: like also just fucking irrelevant. Man. Cambosis was just out

1847
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 2: of his depth, like majorly out of his yes, and

1848
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: this was not a fight that should have happened or

1849
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 2: needed to happen. And I fucking hated it, to be honest.

1850
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 4: Well, I said, Okay, I hate it is a strong word.

1851
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 4: I said, we learned very little. Here's what I did

1852
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 4: learn about Hani, who remarkably is still just twenty three

1853
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 4: years old. If you don't know the backstory, he turned

1854
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 4: pro at seventeen and was fighting in Mexico. I mean, like,

1855
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 4: this's just been They knew from the jump that this

1856
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 4: guy was special. The first fight was boring because he

1857
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 4: made it boring largely by using his jab and as

1858
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 4: you mentioned, the timed clinches. This time around, he felt.

1859
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 4: Devin felt, while strategizing with his dad that the right

1860
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 4: hand was going to be there for him based on

1861
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 4: how they expected Cambosis to attack Luke. That looping Connor

1862
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 4: right hand was MANI all fight, and even deeper when

1863
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 4: Cambosis did cross that line and make this fight an

1864
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 4: actual fight. Hani's won two was perfect. I mean that

1865
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: was sweet perfection. So here's what I want to say

1866
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 4: about Devin Haney. I think he's he deserves the pounderful

1867
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 4: pound recognition right now, and while with one fight left

1868
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 4: on his top breaking ESPN deal, it does appear like

1869
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 4: the fight to make would be him against Vasilla Lomachenko.

1870
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 4: If Lomachenko gets past his his comeback get well fight

1871
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 4: against Jermaine Ortiz, which you know could be who knows,

1872
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 4: We'll see Hani Lomachenko, good God, the old guard against

1873
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 4: the new. Of course, your boy BC's gonna be fired up.

1874
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: But this level of maturity and this performance again from Hani,

1875
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 4: do you know what? It has me really wanting Devin

1876
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 4: Haney Tank Davis right now. And I'm not saying I

1877
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 4: don't want Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia something bad. I do.

1878
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 4: I hope there's a way that I mean, there is

1879
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 4: a way that fight could be made, by the way

1880
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 4: I hope that we could get there, knowing boxing business

1881
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 4: practice is probably not right now, we'll see what happens.

1882
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 4: But if we could put networks and promoters to the

1883
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 4: side for a second, which we rarely get to do

1884
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 4: in boxing, So shout out to the women by the

1885
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 4: way from making that happen, regardless of affiliation. Tell me

1886
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 4: right now, Devin Haney versus Tank Davis for all four

1887
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 4: belts at lightweight might not be one of the most

1888
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 4: important fights you can make right now in boxing. Twenty

1889
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 4: three years old against twenty seven years old, both unbeaten,

1890
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 4: both powerful, pound respected, both have titles in and around

1891
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 4: this way class. Obviously, heiny has the four real ones

1892
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 4: that truly matter. But Tank Davis is the star of

1893
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: this division and in some ways the uncrowned king. Right

1894
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the belts, but boy does he have

1895
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 4: skills and talent in danger. These two against each other

1896
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 4: for the pure boxing fan might be as good as

1897
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 4: it gets right now. Look tell me, tell me I'm crazy.

1898
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 4: We want Svince Crawford, we want these wish list items.

1899
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 4: I think this just became even more than Momachenko, Ryan Garcia,

1900
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 4: even more than my boys Shakur, who's gonna have his

1901
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 4: say against all these guys. If if you know, if

1902
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 4: we get what we deserve in boxing tomorrow, Hani versus Tank, Dude,

1903
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what that fight looks like. I have

1904
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 4: no freaking idea. I need to know. I need this

1905
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 4: Give it to me.

1906
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love the idea, but like I

1907
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: don't take it seriously as a meaningful next step for

1908
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: or I should say, a possible next step for either

1909
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: of them. No, it's no, like they're not going to

1910
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: make that fight. They're not.

1911
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 4: I mean, look, look, look to be fair for Tank

1912
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 4: versus Ryan Garcia to happen in the near future, it

1913
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 4: would involve people that don't want to work together to

1914
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 4: work together.

1915
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 2: Yes, is there a.

1916
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 4: Chance in the bullshit world of boxing politics that it's easier.

1917
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Speaker 4: So basically, here's what I'm saying. If you're Bob Aram

1918
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Speaker 4: at ESPN, you're looking at what's available. We got one

1919
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 4: fight left with Hani, will we we don't know. Of

1920
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 4: course they want to go in house fie put him

1921
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 4: against Vassili, But do you think there will be any

1922
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 4: conversations after this fight? At least a conversation with the

1923
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 4: power brokers about that idea of Hany versus Tank, because

1924
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 4: it would matter so much more than those other eye

1925
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 4: catching matchups.

1926
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Sure there might be some outreach, I just don't take

1927
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: it seriously that we should in any way get our

1928
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: hopes up or play around it whatsoever. Not right now,

1929
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: not right now?

1930
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Speaker 4: All right, then indulge my fascination one more time by

1931
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Speaker 4: closing with this, do you lean either way in that

1932
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 4: matchup based on two fights from Hani now against Cambosis

1933
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 4: in defense of these titles.

1934
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Speaker 2: I would lean Hani. I would lean Hany. I think

1935
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: I think the fact that Hani has been not that

1936
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: like Cambosis is like he's a tough challenge, but he's

1937
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: not like he's like the cream of the crop of

1938
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the division. But you know, going to Australia into hostile

1939
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: territory looking for the smoke in the way that he has,

1940
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 2: I think that's probably prepared him for a big moment

1941
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 2: like this. The Tank's been on pay per view stuff,

1942
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: but I don't know, man like fighting the roly Romeros

1943
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: and the Mario Barrioses of the world, even up at

1944
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: one forty, it's like, again, it's not that he's saying

1945
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: it's not difficult. It's it's difficult. But I don't know.

1946
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 2: I feel like and Hani has like a style that

1947
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 2: you can scale for twelve rounds a little bit easier,

1948
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 2: whereas Gervante needs these moments of inspiration. Yeah, I would.

1949
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Speaker 2: I would probably pick Hanny.

1950
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 4: Wow, I don't know how long much longer Hanney can

1951
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 4: make one thirty five? He looked like a zombie.

1952
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the issue. He looked sucked out on the scale.

1953
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 2: That to me is the part where I'm like, uh,

1954
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Speaker 2: and he's twenty three, Like, there's no way he fights

1955
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: much longer in this weight class. That I do think

1956
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: is real, but great. Love to see how it goes,

1957
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1967
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Speaker 4: the time UFC two eighty is as stacked a pay

1968
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1969
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Speaker 4: is the goods right here. It's gonna go down in

1970
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Speaker 4: Abu Dhabi this Saturday. I mean, if you just had

1971
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Speaker 4: the main event on that card, the lightweight title bout

1972
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Speaker 4: former champ Charles olivera up and coming potential future champion

1973
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1977
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1978
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Speaker 2: That whole whole card is super stacked. Fun fights either way,

1995
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1998
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Speaker 4: Here's my two cents. Okay, you want to make money Saturday,

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2000
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2001
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Speaker 2: You, by the way, to you guys, by the way.

2002
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Speaker 2: If you want more information about two eighty, how about

2003
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Speaker 2: our UFC two eighty pregame preview with Chuck Mendenhall. That's

2004
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: up now as well on the old us.

2005
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 4: All right, I'm not trying to hold this show up anymore,

2006
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 4: but I got something to say about that. Shout out

2007
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Speaker 4: to the DraftKings, We love you baby. All Right, there

2008
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Speaker 4: it is, Luke. People can go to YouTube dot com

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Speaker 4: right now, Slash Morning Combat and check out are fantastic,

2010
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Speaker 4: real talk right like only men do. Pregame preview Chuck Mindenhall, BCLT, Luke,

2011
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a statement that you're not ready to

2012
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 4: hear Are you ready? I just said you're not ready

2013
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 4: to hear it? But get ready anyway. Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas,

2014
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Speaker 4: and Chuck Mindenhall. Maybe not in that order. This is

2015
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Speaker 4: not only MMA's new a team, it's the all time

2016
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Speaker 4: greatest team that's ever been put together. And I know

2017
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 4: that's gonna hit people pretty hard. There's gonna be a

2018
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 4: few people that aren't gonna be ready to hear that.

2019
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 4: Maybe you two, Luke, because you've had other dance partners

2020
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 4: and you've made magic with them. But the spice, the explosiveness,

2021
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,759
Speaker 4: the back and forth, the creativity, the passion that's shown

2022
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 4: between bc LT and Sir Chuck, you just can't find

2023
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 4: that in MMA then now or maybe forever. You can

2024
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 4: like us or not like us, but sit down and

2025
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Speaker 4: enjoy it because this is the best thing going today.

2026
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:19,520
Speaker 4: Who your new MMAA team? You're fucking looking at us?

2027
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 2: Okay, with that in mind, it's time for dms from dogs.

2028
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Let's get to it. We got, we got. We put

2029
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: up a post on Instagram every Sunday, you guys fill

2030
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 2: it up. The producers pick the questions and then we

2031
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: answer them all right from flannels and JITs is Islam

2032
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 2: versus Olivera actually a better version of what Tony versus

2033
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: Habibe could have been. Yeah, actually there's a well it's

2034
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 2: hard to say until we see the fight, but uh,

2035
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 2: great question. Right, Yes, it is possible that that could happen.

2036
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 4: Sure would you say that that main event is the

2037
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 4: fight you are most excited about on Saturday's loaded card?

2038
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:03,600
Speaker 4: Or is there another.

2039
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 2: That's the one I'm most excited about? Yeah? Sometimes I

2040
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 2: try to be hipster about it and pick another fight

2041
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 2: on the card, But no, the main event is the

2042
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 2: Crown Jewel for sure.

2043
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 4: Al Joe tj Is you could make the hipster argument.

2044
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 2: You could, right, That's a phenomenal fight. I wouldn't begrudge

2045
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 2: someone who went that way. But I just don't think

2046
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 2: that's as interesting as this one.

2047
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 4: Right, I think if you took the belts off this, this,

2048
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 4: this is just a better matchup, heir of Charles against Islam.

2049
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 4: So let's do it. Let's do it. Did you see

2050
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 4: them walk back past each other in the hotel, Luke,

2051
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 4: in the last twenty four hours? And so Charles was

2052
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 4: sitting with his back to the group. Islam walked by

2053
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 4: and just you know, barely looked at him and was like,

2054
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 4: I'm ready to fight right now face, which in some

2055
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 4: ways is the default, you know, Holy hammer. Way to

2056
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 4: do it, Luke. Okay, that's that hashtag, That's that's that's

2057
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 4: gonna catch on, right, I mean hotly hammer, Holy hammer.

2058
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 4: Could you imagine some MK merch with hashtag holy hammer

2059
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 4: across the chest?

2060
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right over the cross you mean.

2061
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, right over the Christian Deguero spot. Right. Yeah, we're

2062
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 4: watching you shut out to that guy. Okay. Yeah, Indeed,

2063
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 4: here's the thing.

2064
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: It could be better because Tony is wild and unorthodox

2065
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 2: in ways that Charles is not. Charles can be aggressive

2066
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 2: and offensive, but he's not as wild. And if you

2067
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: go back and you watch like the Kevin Lee fight.

2068
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: It's like all the different guard entries he has and

2069
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 2: the leg entanglements that he uses, He's got that in

2070
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 2: just a way that Tony doesn't. So for that reason,

2071
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 2: it could be better. But I don't know. We'll have

2072
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: to see. Is Islam going to be the dominant takedown,

2073
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 2: ground and pound force that Habib was relatively speaking? I

2074
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: don't know what the answer to that is either. So

2075
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 2: obviously we didn't see any Tony versus Habib, but we

2076
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 2: would have some idea that Habib would It would have

2077
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 2: gone to the floor, and I do think Abib would

2078
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: have controlled him mostly, So we'll have to see how

2079
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: this one goes. We'll have to see.

2080
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just in comparison, Habib's probably better than Islam,

2081
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 4: but Charlie's probably better than Ferguson.

2082
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: That's right, That's correct. I think that's exactly well stated. Yes,

2083
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 2: all right, from checkos nine to seven five zero, worst

2084
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: name ever Bella is training with Habib team. Do you

2085
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 2: think that's going to have any impact on the fight.

2086
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 4: It should be blal Bro, it should be balal.

2087
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, they fixed it, But on the one that

2088
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 2: I'm reading, it says Bella. I'm not doing a bit,

2089
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 2: it says Bella. I'm just reading it as it is.

2090
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Do we think that's going to have any impact in

2091
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 2: the fight with Sean Brady? Thinks for the show? What

2092
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 2: do you think? Thank for the show?

2093
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 4: Okay, So what you're saying is that Balah Muhammad will

2094
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 4: have Habib in his corner. Yeah, I'm wondering what this

2095
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 4: looks like because if you're Baal Muhammed and you're looking

2096
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 4: at Sean Brady, the challenge is keeping your back off

2097
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 4: the canvas. This guy is an explosive, aggressive wrestler who

2098
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 4: forces middle aged white guys to tack themselves up if

2099
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 4: they score big wins. Apparently, Luke so, yes, I am

2100
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 4: wondering to see how this time in this camp. Now, No,

2101
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 4: it's potentially one camp or one fight with a guy

2102
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 4: in the corner, But look at this success Henry Sujudo

2103
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 4: has had as an example from joining an already established

2104
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 4: team ahead of a big fight, and whether it was

2105
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, although in a losing effort the first time,

2106
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 4: jan Lee look like there was more to what's going

2107
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 4: on there against Rose. That second time, same thing with

2108
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 4: Figeredo upsetting Moreno in their third meeting. Excuse me, So, yeah,

2109
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 4: I am interested to see. You know, if you're telling

2110
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 4: me this guy trained wrestling with Habib leading up to

2111
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 4: this fight, let's see show me the putting, right, Let's

2112
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 4: see that.

2113
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 2: I actually do think it will make a difference. Hard

2114
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 2: to say exactly how much this far out, but from

2115
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 2: the preparation standpoint to like, I watched a bunch of

2116
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: Habib tutorials over the years, and one thing I've noticed

2117
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 2: is he just has a very clear sense for like

2118
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 2: what works and what doesn't and why, and he makes

2119
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: sure guys just stick to the shit that works, just

2120
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: do the high percentage stuff, just get really good at

2121
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 2: the high percentage stuff, and get good at some high

2122
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 2: percentage stuff that other people are not good at in

2123
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 2: terms of defense, and just go with it. And I

2124
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 2: think that kind of orientation, if in terms of prep

2125
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 2: and then guidance trying to midid the fight, that seems

2126
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: like it could be quite beneficial. Actually, so we'll have

2127
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: to see, but I do think it will make a difference.

2128
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 4: Is has Buula to be in Mahab's corner? Is that

2129
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 4: a room? I mean, alright, sorry.

2130
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, it's not offending me. It's just like,

2131
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 2: are we gonna have We're gonna devote time to that?

2132
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean really all right? From at Joey Dowsing Joey deausing,

2133
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: how the fuck you say that? The pay per view

2134
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 2: portion of the Abu Dhabi card starts at two pm

2135
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 2: Eastern and the prelims obviously air even earlier. Do you

2136
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 2: think this will have any impact on sales in America? Yes,

2137
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 2: of course it's great for us in the UK as

2138
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 2: for once I don't have to stay up all night. Yes,

2139
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 2: of course it does. The UFC is usually very reluctant

2140
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 2: to put pay per views on it this time for

2141
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 2: that very reason. They will make exceptions for it when

2142
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 2: there are other economic factors they can use to balance

2143
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 2: it out. But yes, it will absolutely hurt love.

2144
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 4: I'd love to see the site fee that they get, right,

2145
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 4: I love to see that number. What's that fat ass

2146
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 4: number they get? It's not just them. I mean Eddie

2147
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 4: Hern took Joshua Ruiz two to to you know, the

2148
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 4: same area, and Joshua got eighty MILLI to show up

2149
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 4: for that rematch. I mean they've that site fee must

2150
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:03,759
Speaker 4: be sick.

2151
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably gonna make up whatever the difference is.

2152
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 2: So yes, it will hurt sales. I don't know that

2153
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 2: it will hurt the bottom line when it's all said

2154
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: and done, but for sure this is also I live through.

2155
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 2: The UFC briefly put in their pay per view start

2156
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: times back at nine pm. They experimented with it for

2157
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 2: a couple of them or whatever it was, and then

2158
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 2: they went right back to ten because I think they

2159
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 2: were thinking, well, you know what, we want to start

2160
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:28,799
Speaker 2: in an earlier time, but that fucks with the West Coast audience,

2161
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: which is a massive audience, and so they said, just

2162
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: go back to ten, and the East Coast folks can

2163
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: s and d all right at von Beckel beccal, who's

2164
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 2: better on the barbecue BC or LT? Now what does

2165
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 2: he mean BC? When he says better on the barbecue?

2166
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 4: I think he means on the grill, you know, because

2167
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 4: because look like there's some great male chefs out there.

2168
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm one of those old school males who

2169
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 4: just can't cook worth a lick, but it's still considered that,

2170
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 4: you know, if you're a guy, even if you have

2171
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 4: no skills in that area, even if you're not chef right,

2172
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 4: you should be able to handle it yourself on the grill.

2173
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 4: So here's what I'll say about myself without knowing you.

2174
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna guess because you're more culture, that you

2175
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 4: have more skills. I can't cook for shit, but I'm

2176
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 4: very competent on the grill. Can I can I make

2177
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 4: it dynamic and add a touch or or do like

2178
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 4: all the prep work. No, my wife does that. I

2179
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 4: am a competent grill provider, but I don't think I

2180
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 4: add anything much outside of replacement level. I enjoy being

2181
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 4: out there with a drink and the stereo pumping. I

2182
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 4: think if I do one thing good, Look, I'm very good,

2183
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 4: even though my liver can't take it anymore. Finding that

2184
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 4: balance with beef between red death, too much blood and

2185
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 4: the perfect amount of juice in it?

2186
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 2: Right?

2187
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 4: You know? I can? I can. I can live on

2188
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 4: that line. I could give you a juicy balls out

2189
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 4: burger without you fearing that that you know that it's yeah,

2190
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 4: that it's the opening scene and carry or whatever. But

2191
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess that you're a better cook than me,

2192
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 4: you're a better barbecuer than me, that you have more

2193
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 4: ideas and nuances to step up your game, unless you

2194
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 4: lean on Colombian women. And I'm okay if that's if

2195
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 4: that's the path you go, all right.

2196
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 2: No again, I'm not going to sit here and claim

2197
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm some grill master either. That's really not the case.

2198
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: I certainly know how to cook a steak pretty well,

2199
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 2: you know the standard fare, burgers, kill bassa, even some.

2200
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 2: I've done some barbecue chicken that which I did the

2201
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 2: marinate for as well. I've done that and it's came

2202
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 2: out pretty well, smoked them up a little bit. But

2203
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 2: I'm not some like I had a grill BC and

2204
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 2: then I had a house fire in like twenty eighteen

2205
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 2: or twenty nineteen, I can't remember anymore, and the house

2206
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: fire ate up my grill. I had a really nice

2207
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 2: grill and it ate the whole thing, and.

2208
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 4: How much of your house? Wow? For Wait, you haven't

2209
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 4: been grilling four years? What the hell's wrong with you?

2210
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,759
Speaker 2: What happened? So what I've done is I've done cast

2211
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 2: iron grilling. That's what I've been switching over to. Because

2212
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't have the grill outside. I've been doing stuff

2213
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 2: in the cast iron. So for example, like getting filet mignon,

2214
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 2: buttering it up, constantly turning the butter on top and

2215
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 2: then you know, putting a little bit the oven and

2216
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 2: taking it out, that kind of a thing. So that's

2217
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 2: what I've been doing.

2218
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 4: I have so many questions because, first of all, Brandon,

2219
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 4: why is the CBS Sports tell us both that if

2220
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 4: you're not cooking over charcoal, you're not a real man.

2221
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 4: And while I don't disagree with the spirit of that, Luke,

2222
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 4: I can't. Charcoal's really tough to manage, dude. It's like

2223
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 4: a three year old daughter. I mean, it's just yeah,

2224
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 4: I do a regular manly weber grill like everybody else.

2225
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 2: But also here's the other thing. I mean, I don't

2226
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 2: know what kind of charcoal that Brandon Wise uses, but

2227
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 2: if you just use like the Kingsford and then you

2228
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 2: put lighter fluid on top, your dubt. I just want

2229
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 2: to be very clear.

2230
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 4: About Take that Wise, take that South Florida. I did

2231
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 4: want to ask you about that fire. I don't know

2232
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 4: about this fire. What happened? Are you right?

2233
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2234
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a house fire. We don't even know

2235
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 2: the cause of it. We're not too sure. And it

2236
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 2: burned up like I'm facing the back of my house

2237
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,679
Speaker 2: this way. It burned up my deck and it burned

2238
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 2: up the whole back of the house. And luckily I

2239
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 2: have great insurance and so everything was paid for.

2240
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 4: You.

2241
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of stuff.

2242
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 4: Were you home.

2243
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: No. I was actually just about to go on air

2244
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 2: in New York City and I got a call from

2245
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 2: I was a serious exam and I got a call

2246
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 2: from my wife being like, so we've had a house fire.

2247
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 2: She's like, everyone's okay, this is pre TOOKI and the

2248
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 2: dogs got out. We had a cat at the time.

2249
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 2: The cat was able to get put him in another house,

2250
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 2: but the whole shit was completely torched. So yeah, it sucked.

2251
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,759
Speaker 2: I had to come right home. It sucked. It sucked.

2252
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 4: I would first place I would check is you know

2253
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 4: that homeless guy who used to beg you to lift

2254
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,759
Speaker 4: weights with you. It was his dream in the front yard.

2255
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he yelled at me the other day.

2256
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why you give those guys whatever they want

2257
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 4: so they don't burn your house down when you're in

2258
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,599
Speaker 4: New York. Look, everybody knows that. It's like drule number one.

2259
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 4: Don't accept the CD in Brooklyn on the street right,

2260
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 4: no eye contact anywhere else, And you know, give the

2261
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 4: homeless guy who wants to lift with you give him

2262
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 4: his dream, Luke.

2263
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that dude yelled at me the other day.

2264
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 2: He came up asking me for money. I didn't have

2265
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 2: any and he lost his shit.

2266
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:42,639
Speaker 4: So he's like, fuck yo, mama.

2267
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually told me. He told me to go

2268
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 2: fuck myself. I was like, okay, well you're the one

2269
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 2: asking for money, so.

2270
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 4: And by the way, I probably will later on anyway,

2271
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 4: so take them. Yeah.

2272
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a cell phone with internet access. Don't

2273
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 2: mind if I do. All right from at CLP film,

2274
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 2: Hey king Donks. Here we go with again with a

2275
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 2: Halloween season question. What is your favorite and least favorite candy?

2276
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 2: This is controversial. I bet BC picks something low t

2277
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 2: like Junior Mints or Laughy Daffy.

2278
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 4: Dude, laughing taffy is my movie theater? Go to that

2279
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 4: cherry crash.

2280
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 2: No, probably it sounds like it can be said with

2281
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: an accent much love.

2282
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably true. I bet you like.

2283
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 2: Let's start first favorite candy for Halloween favorite.

2284
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 4: Right, Okay? There are two categories in candy, of course,

2285
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 4: chocolate based and fruit based. Look you agree with that

2286
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 4: right largely?

2287
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 2: Yes, they're not they're not independent with one another, but Yes.

2288
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 4: The greatest candy bar is fast Break.

2289
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you're just you're just so fucking wrong with this.

2290
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 4: It's just like it is just drugs inside of an

2291
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 4: orange wrapper. It is just mind blowing. You can get

2292
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 4: it wrong, you can get blown. BC is right here,

2293
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 4: says Mikey. Thank you, Mikey. I love that.

2294
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mikey, who I'm sure is sober right now, I'm

2295
01:45:58,920 --> 01:45:59,719
Speaker 2: sure he's very sop.

2296
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 4: On the fruit side, Luke, you gotta go mambas. And

2297
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 4: I know that's going to be controversial. There was a

2298
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 4: you know, a mad cow disease outbreak related to these

2299
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 4: at some point in the nineties.

2300
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 2: But I will tell you a bit more communicable diseases

2301
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 2: when you eat candy fuck face.

2302
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,759
Speaker 4: The gnarlier the gas station you go to, the more

2303
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,880
Speaker 4: likely that they will not only have mambas, but now

2304
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 4: sour and tropical mambas, which have just changed the game.

2305
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 4: Those are my two on each side of the battle lines,

2306
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 4: my go to.

2307
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, this is very easy on the

2308
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 2: chocolate side, and anyone who says otherwise is a peasant

2309
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 2: undeserving of your attention. All Right, the number one, the

2310
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 2: King of all Chocolate Halloween candies is Reese's peanut butter

2311
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,679
Speaker 2: cups go fuck your mom. I don't, I mean, I can't.

2312
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 4: I can't argue that that's one of those things I

2313
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 4: can't argue against because that is just, Yes.

2314
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 2: It's not as like it's it's a little conventional in

2315
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 2: how I am presenting it. I understand it's.

2316
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 4: Not boring the way you're slinging that, but but.

2317
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: You're all choking on the peanut butter together in the

2318
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 2: way which they present it. With that little rapper. You

2319
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 2: have to peel off the ends and then you I mean,

2320
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's your number one seed. Fuck your mama,

2321
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 2: all right, that's the first thing I would say.

2322
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:05,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

2323
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 2: For the non steadily chocolate based, I don't have as

2324
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 2: strong an opinion on this one. I don't. I usually

2325
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 2: avoid eating them altogether. I will say though, that I

2326
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 2: am as like, you know what, I don't have as

2327
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 2: good a choice as yours. What I'll say, what I

2328
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: do is to offset some of that chocolate. I'm a

2329
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 2: Starburst kind of guy. I like the Starburst. I like

2330
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 2: the offset with the Starburst.

2331
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 4: You're going, you're not going traditional yellow rapper, so Mike,

2332
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 4: he says, sour patch watermelon kids.

2333
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Mike like those as well. Those.

2334
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 4: Mike, he's got a few skills in his tool bag. Right,

2335
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 4: there's a few holes in there, but he knows, he knows,

2336
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 4: he's on He's onto it right now.

2337
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,839
Speaker 2: Listen, my man probably listen, he's probably got more gummies

2338
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 2: in his tummy right now. That is medically advisable. So

2339
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 2: he's like, I.

2340
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 4: Actually have the THHC and infused watermelon.

2341
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, He's like, and even with the

2342
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 2: THHC they still taste bomb all right. Least favorite, what's

2343
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 2: the what's the lowest seed?

2344
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 4: Uh? The score bar. It's like a grandmother candy bar

2345
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 4: with a toffee That's that's Ballock's Luke. Butterfinger is absolute trash.

2346
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 4: If you eat butterfinger on the regular, my wife does.

2347
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 4: I'll have bad things to say about you, but not

2348
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 4: to your face. I'm not gonna piss her off. Look,

2349
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:18,879
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, dude, we didn't mention not peanut eminem's,

2350
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 4: but peanut butter flavored Eminem's are are fran friggantastic. They're

2351
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 4: in this conversation. Good but what okay? As a hallow,

2352
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:29,759
Speaker 4: this is a Halloween question. Dude, if you get Mary

2353
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 4: Jane's in your bag Halloween and you're a kid or

2354
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 4: that fucking popcorn ball, you should you should piss on

2355
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 4: the steps as they close.

2356
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 2: The door behind you. I'll say, I'll say two of

2357
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 2: the low seeds on the chocolate side, milk duds kind

2358
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 2: of trife, kind of tries. Yeah, and also U three Musketeers, Yo,

2359
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 2: just go fuck your family, absolute feast.

2360
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 4: Don't don't die on that hill. Three Musketeers is badass.

2361
01:48:58,600 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 4: That in milky way are the same thing?

2362
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 2: Three Musketeers deserves three stabs in the face. What a

2363
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 2: worthless piece of ship candy?

2364
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 4: Oh, get out of here? Who said that? Luke and Geff?

2365
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 4: Come on that three nose tears is bad. It's it's

2366
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,919
Speaker 4: fire long island loose come from Australia.

2367
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 2: Come on, I'll say this on the candy side, like shit,

2368
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 2: I hate uh you know, candy corn is always going

2369
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 2: to be something that people throwing there. I'll eat a

2370
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 2: couple of them. I don't love them, I don't hate them.

2371
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 2: They're fine.

2372
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 4: Oh they're so, They're so good until they spoil in

2373
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 4: your mouth. Until that moment.

2374
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 2: I'll say this. You know what kind of fucking I

2375
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 2: used to love, and now I'm like, may get this

2376
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 2: ship out of my face. Smarties, you know, they're two.

2377
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,799
Speaker 2: They're smarty, they taste like they taste like, they taste

2378
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,919
Speaker 2: like good tasting medicine. They don't taste like candy.

2379
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 4: If you want to one up from Smarties, go to

2380
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:44,679
Speaker 4: bottle caps. At least that's solid. That's a movie theater. Okay,

2381
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 4: that's fine. Raising nuts, badass, I mean, come on, we

2382
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 4: you know, just don't.

2383
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 2: What's the what are the what are the ones are

2384
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 2: like wafers there, but they're but they're candy.

2385
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 4: Necho wafers, the other echo wafers. That's Grandma's territory feast.

2386
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 4: You come from a father who would give kids Rby's

2387
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:00,839
Speaker 4: on Halloween.

2388
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, no, no, no, no, get it, get

2389
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 2: it right, asshole. How about Roy Rogers coupons? Dude, my

2390
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 2: dad in nineteen eighties Mary and Barry crime infested DC

2391
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 2: is giving out Roy Rogers coupons and Halloween. I mean, yea,

2392
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 2: what is more divorced dad energy than that. Nothing.

2393
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 4: The only worse than that as a kid was when

2394
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 4: they put coins they give you coins instead, or you know,

2395
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 4: the Damn Pop.

2396
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 2: I told you we had a dentist who lived not

2397
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood, but my friends neighborhood. We would go

2398
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,839
Speaker 2: in trigger treating down there, and they had a dentist

2399
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 2: who lived down the street, and that motherfucker would alwas

2400
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 2: give about toothbrushes, which you know, Mom and Dad always

2401
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 2: thought was like a really cool thing. I'll be like, fucker,

2402
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 2: put some snickers in this goddamn bad Would your.

2403
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 4: Parents like look over every piece of candy for like

2404
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 4: pinholes that like poison and drugs were put in. I'd

2405
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 4: always be like, no, let me let me try, and

2406
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 4: you know, if there's some good stuff in there, let

2407
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 4: me let me be the guinea pig.

2408
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 3: You know.

2409
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 2: No, but they would definitely. My dad would definitely do

2410
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 2: the tax, like let's lay it all out, all right.

2411
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'll take this. I'll take this. Yeah.

2412
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 2: Like, gee, it's funny that I go to all the neighbors.

2413
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 2: They don't give me coupons, yet you seem to hand

2414
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 2: those out. That's funny.

2415
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 4: And your dad sucks lately. I mean, come on, beg rob,

2416
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 4: come on, all right, Luke, we got to close the

2417
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 4: show because I got to piss really bad with the

2418
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 4: best segment and one of my better bats. Let's do

2419
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:19,759
Speaker 4: it one of my better fecal batches in a while.

2420
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 4: I scoted with the Globe yesterday. The high, the low,

2421
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 4: the good, the bad, the ugly thing between a combat

2422
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 4: sports and beyond. We call this. Have you seen this shit?

2423
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 4: Shout out to Gaff Pierre behind the scenes for going

2424
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 4: through my shit to find the colonels Luke and we

2425
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:39,879
Speaker 4: started a UFC fight night in Vegas. I'm sorry, Mike Jackson,

2426
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 4: but Pete Rodriguez was for real. Wow, Luke. Never meant

2427
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 4: to make that videographer cry, but this was destructive brother.

2428
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: By the way. Oh, they put early two thousands. I

2429
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,679
Speaker 2: guess that's right, but definitely not a nineties reference there.

2430
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 4: I think that was ninety nine, Am I wrong?

2431
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 1: No?

2432
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's in the two thousands.

2433
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 4: All right, look, this was this was oh one they're saying, oh.

2434
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 2: Wand dude, yeah, not the nineties.

2435
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 4: Oh, you're right. I guess I got double cross there,

2436
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 4: my bad guys. Okay, Luke, what do you think about

2437
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 4: this knockout? It's pretty pretty brutal.

2438
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 2: Right, fucking super brutal. I wonder if they're going to

2439
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 2: give Mike Jackson another fight. I don't think so, but

2440
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 2: uh no, I don't think so. But that's a brutal

2441
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:22,599
Speaker 2: way to go.

2442
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 4: It's comeback media, MMA, media taking another head here, Luke.

2443
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 4: Let's go to the vandamweight division. Did you see Leomana Martinez.

2444
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 4: He merely finished Brandon Davis in this batshit crazy ending

2445
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 4: to round two?

2446
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 2: Look at this, by the way, did I hear James

2447
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 2: Krause in the corner say I'm gonna lose money on this.

2448
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 4: You're about to hear James Cross in a second. But look,

2449
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 4: did you see this? This was this was wild as

2450
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 4: ship man.

2451
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just he was just hitting all the

2452
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 2: buttons on the on the controller.

2453
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,759
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to James Krause between rounds talking

2454
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 4: up Martinez here here, take it. We're good. Do you

2455
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 4: underst s what I'm saying? You're doing fucking around too much?

2456
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 4: This is your fight to win. If you've heard him

2457
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 4: like three times now and you fuck around, Let's make.

2458
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,880
Speaker 2: A quick station thirty second break and be back with

2459
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 2: round three.

2460
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 4: Do't you fucking walk out of here tonight. Let's go

2461
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 4: fucking win this fight. This is gonna damn fight When

2462
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 4: you understanding you, I don't get It's five fucking minutes.

2463
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:19,560
Speaker 4: When I tell you press him, you're fucking pressing. Do

2464
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 4: you understand me?

2465
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 1: Don't you let him walk out of here with this

2466
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 1: goddamn fight?

2467
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 4: Do you hear me? Do you understand let's fucking go?

2468
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 4: Did he say listen, motherfucker to his own fighter? Look?

2469
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 2: Damn, Actually, I like that speech. That's pretty great.

2470
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 4: I wish somebody would give us that speech before MK

2471
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 4: each episode.

2472
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,639
Speaker 2: That was great, By the way, Martinez, our producers always

2473
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 2: like all our producers before every Monday show are like

2474
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 2: eeyore from Winnie the Pooh, Hey, everyone, it's another rainy day.

2475
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 2: And Hoboken, who am I talking about? BC?

2476
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 4: Wow? You just you just did mad dirty right there?

2477
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 4: By the way. Martina would go on to win a

2478
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 4: split decision over three rounds. So I'm not sure if

2479
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,479
Speaker 4: this speech really hit the mark, but he was verbally

2480
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 4: undressing him, by the way. You know, I coached fourth

2481
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,599
Speaker 4: grade basketball a couple of years ago. Luke, Damn, it's

2482
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 4: not the same as it used to be, So I

2483
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 4: will support this level of language to motivate a person.

2484
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,719
Speaker 4: I wish you could still swear out kids.

2485
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 2: You know what makes sense some people at works. For

2486
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 2: some people at work.

2487
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 4: It always did for me. Luke, Let's go to Alonzo Menifield.

2488
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 4: Apparently he killed Misha Sserkonoff. Did you see this kid?

2489
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 4: Good lord?

2490
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,120
Speaker 2: Did I did? Poor Mishaserkonoff Man? I mean it might

2491
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 2: be time to call it a day. He's taking a

2492
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 2: lot of bat ls.

2493
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 4: Damn. That's some brutal stuff right there.

2494
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's when they bounce like that like cro coop,

2495
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 2: when they fall on their leg and then their body

2496
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 2: bounces them off of it like when a ricochets. That's

2497
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 2: never a great sign.

2498
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 4: The Shirt of the Week goes for to Cup Swanson

2499
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 4: exiting the bus on his way to the arena. Here, Luke,

2500
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 4: you and I could not pull this off, But what

2501
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 4: do you think?

2502
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 2: No, we could not pull it off. But I'm still

2503
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 2: waiting for a fighter to roll out to one of

2504
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 2: these things that has a shirt and on that says

2505
01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 2: I fuck on the first date.

2506
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm sure many do. Luke. Uh, let's go

2507
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 4: over to Jonathan Martinez. We mentioned Cup Swanson took the

2508
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 4: l by brutal leg kicks. This was just the fourteenth

2509
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 4: such stoppage in UFC history.

2510
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh and dude, Cub is a tough guy. Man him

2511
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 2: to be writhing in agony like that, it has to

2512
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 2: be bad.

2513
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 4: Big win for Jonathan Martinez. And don't forget about Joe

2514
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 4: Anderson Brito. Also on this undercard, he took out Lucas

2515
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 4: Alexander via submission and it was python like, look at this.

2516
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 2: Whoo yeah, oh, look at that. Oh tears them off

2517
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 2: of his base with the back the pulling back pressure. Yeah, yikes.

2518
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 4: All right, let's get grosser. It's BKFC thirty one time

2519
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 4: from Denver. So you wanna be a bare knuckle fighter.

2520
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 4: Look at Courtney Cameron and Crystal Pittman one of those too.

2521
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 4: A disgusting bloody mess.

2522
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 2: Wow damn good lord, dude, they get fucking mauled in

2523
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 2: this fucking sport cush.

2524
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying, if you're a.

2525
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 2: Star, schol Pittman was advertising. I saw this her only.

2526
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 4: Fans with what was she the bloody one? Luke?

2527
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I can't quite tell. I don't know

2528
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 2: these women well enough, but the wigan I saw, I

2529
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 2: saw the way in photos. Junkie.

2530
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the last stop on the Combat Sports

2531
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 4: Highway for sure. But how about Chris Comosi, former UFC fighter,

2532
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 4: made his BKFC debut on Saturday or Friday whatever this was,

2533
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 4: and he took Bubba McDonald to the McDaniel to the woodshed,

2534
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 4: Luke to.

2535
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: The US here, two UFC bets. He's actually a pretty

2536
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 2: is a pretty talented guy.

2537
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah he had he had that couple of coffee

2538
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 4: in PFL.

2539
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 2: He was decent, right, Yeah, even in UFC he never

2540
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: had like an amazing win, but he almost had like

2541
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 2: pretty solid performances.

2542
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 4: Well. In the main event, Luke Mike Richmond had a

2543
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 4: wild come from behind knockout victory in the final round

2544
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 4: to win the vacant light heavyweight world title. But you

2545
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:57,200
Speaker 4: know who has the full championship, right Lorenzo On And

2546
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 4: they had to hold this guy back. He wanted to

2547
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 4: have the unification right there right now.

2548
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 2: Dude, in BKFC, don't you have to just let those

2549
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 2: guys like like illegally fight.

2550
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it could be in the in

2551
01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 4: the ring. Outside of it, they're gonna use bare knuckles.

2552
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 2: Just want to look at the lighting on the ring

2553
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: post there for BKFC. That's new.

2554
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, dude, we clown. But they're making moves, right,

2555
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 4: would you say they're alive? Are they alive?

2556
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 2: Are they're doing something? I give them credit, they're doing

2557
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 2: something for sure. They're signing some decent names, and they

2558
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 2: definitely get on this fucking program a lot.

2559
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 4: Look are you willing to break down? Andrew Yates nineteen

2560
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 4: second knockout of Nolan McLaughlin here also on this card.

2561
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 2: Oh god, let's see Bates them with the jab. He

2562
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 2: tries to double up, he just gets time. Yeah, look

2563
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 2: at that, Bam, you.

2564
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 4: Have that fall.

2565
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 2: Damn.

2566
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 4: All right, Hey, it's time for real to recognize some

2567
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 4: real you know, this fires me up. Speaking of BKFC

2568
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 4: thirty one, former teammates rosnama Un and Ben Rothwell changed

2569
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 4: exchanging pleasantry. Is this fire up? Looked?

2570
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 2: Look at Rothwell's fist? I mean, is that a Christmas ham?

2571
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 2: Look at that? Things?

2572
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 4: Christ real recognized real. Backstage at a MLS game as

2573
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 4: a Mexican superstar, chi Cerrito caught up with te City

2574
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 4: Brian or Till.

2575
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean here I am. I mean, I'm a total hypocrite.

2576
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 2: Let me be very clear about that. But you said

2577
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 2: chicha Rito like you were ordering from a menu for

2578
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 2: Fox's sake.

2579
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 4: I didn't. I was excited, fact excitedly pronouncing his name.

2580
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 4: This was not this, look, it wasn't this.

2581
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 2: Okay, you should know that chichia Rito played for Real

2582
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 2: Madrid for a little while, had a little spell.

2583
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 4: There is he washing now? Is that why he's in them?

2584
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 2: He's a little washing now. He played with Bayern Leverkusen

2585
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 2: or Harry fuck you say, one of the German teams

2586
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 2: for a little while, played with Real for a little while.

2587
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:54,840
Speaker 2: I think it was with the Galaxy. I think it's

2588
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 2: with the Galaxy now, something like that.

2589
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 4: Do you think chi Cerrito's DMS can rival T City

2590
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 4: at all?

2591
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, dude, for a while, he was,

2592
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, a top Mexican star. I think in some

2593
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 2: ways he still kind of is. Yeah, for sure, he's

2594
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,240
Speaker 2: He's beloved too. He's always been like a real team

2595
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 2: guy and team first kind of guy.

2596
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 4: So Real also recognized Real when former UFC lightweight champion

2597
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 4: Charles olivera uh walked the lion.

2598
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the MMA fighters love just parading abused

2599
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 2: animals for reasons I'll never understand.

2600
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 4: But Candles, is this duck Antle's farm Bogavon Luke.

2601
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 2: Is this oh yeah, the bag Gita. No, I'm not

2602
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 2: sure this. I think this is in Abu Dhabi, but

2603
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 2: I can't be sure. Also, does Charles walk weird or

2604
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 2: is that me?

2605
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 4: Are you saying he's bold legged?

2606
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 2: Little bull legged? There with like this he's got pigeon

2607
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 2: toes or whatever. We're not in that pigeon toes. He's

2608
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 2: got the opposite of it. He's got like he's like

2609
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 2: he's got walks kind of like a duck.

2610
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how Mark maguire used to walk Luke when

2611
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 4: he was taking all that creatine shit. Yeah. Wow, all right,

2612
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 4: Uh look, let's go to the biggest sports story of

2613
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:07,160
Speaker 4: the weekend. How about Tennessee upsetting Alabama. These end zone

2614
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 4: cam views of the ending with the celebration, this is

2615
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:14,480
Speaker 4: like Central American soccer in terms of how the uh

2616
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 4: how crazy it got afterwards?

2617
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 2: This is wild?

2618
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 4: Did you see this shit?

2619
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,880
Speaker 2: And they stormed the field because they beat Bama?

2620
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 1: Right yep, yep, here they come most points was Bama?

2621
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Fuck this?

2622
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 4: Most points Bama had given up since nineteen oh nine.

2623
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,840
Speaker 4: It was fifty two to forty nine finish, and uh.

2624
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 2: Do you see those Bama players getting the fuck out

2625
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 2: of Dodge.

2626
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 4: Do you see the refs get mauled as they were

2627
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 4: running away? I mean, this was wild.

2628
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 2: But see, what what would it be like? Because the

2629
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 2: game was at home, right, so it was inten It

2630
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:43,440
Speaker 2: was at the University of Tennessee. Yeah, what would it

2631
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,360
Speaker 2: be like to be a player for that team that night?

2632
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 4: In that Oh god, dude, they took the vision first

2633
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 4: of all, the fans ripped the goldposts out, carried them

2634
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:53,960
Speaker 4: out of the stadium, brought him to a bar, and

2635
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 4: then dumped them in the river. So, like, you know,

2636
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 4: I've been at Yukon after some crazy Big East Tournament

2637
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 4: wins and people letting couch is on fire, but this

2638
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 4: is like this wild. Yeah, if you're a player, Luke,

2639
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 4: you're oh man, you're you're volunteering yourself to all the

2640
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 4: Tennessee women. You know what I'm saying? It is just wow.

2641
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 2: Maybe they volunteered for some STDs that night, if you

2642
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:14,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

2643
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,240
Speaker 4: What do you think about this intimidation move by Tennessee

2644
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 4: left tackle Jeremiah Crawford who projectile vomited at Alabama and

2645
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 4: then talked that shit at Do you like that? Normal?

2646
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 2: Human behavior.

2647
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 4: How about this human College football also birthed a new

2648
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 4: their own version of the just bleed guy. Luke, I

2649
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 4: don't really get the connection between cigars and Tennessee, but

2650
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 4: everybody had one after this game and they don't have this.

2651
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 4: Oh great, thanks guys, thank you very much. Well it

2652
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 4: was that dude. Did you see that still picture that

2653
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 4: closed the CBS broadcast where that dude was like wilding

2654
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 4: out with it? All right, all right, there you go,

2655
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 4: thank you.

2656
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:55,520
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a good story.

2657
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 4: Great show, great show. All right. Luke Brendan Schopp, very

2658
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 4: very famous podcaster. He was a guest on somebody else's

2659
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 4: pot and he was shouting out our boy, rashot Evans,

2660
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 4: get ready for this, Luke. So Brendan, we know that

2661
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 4: you were a fighter in the UFC and that's incredible

2662
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 4: and we just want to ask you who's the biggest

2663
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 4: dick in the uf facts I think so.

2664
02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:25,280
Speaker 2: I mean to be tough to talk about it.

2665
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 4: No, no, but he was a trained part of mine.

2666
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 4: He's not wear cup and when you're grappling, it was

2667
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:38,360
Speaker 4: just like all you would like transition over. I'm like, dude,

2668
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 4: get your.

2669
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,800
Speaker 2: Baby feeling the weight of a man's dick on your

2670
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 2: face while you're trying to get him off you. I

2671
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 2: don't know.

2672
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 4: He is a giant dick, Luke. We should probably consider

2673
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 4: bringing Rashot into our only pipes idem potentially.

2674
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:00,400
Speaker 2: From now on, I'm calling Rashad because that old elephant

2675
02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 2: trunk is just a dangling.

2676
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 4: Does this mean shop got dick down? Luke on the

2677
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 4: ground and pound? I mean, what happened here? All right?

2678
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 4: Tiger Thick? Indeed? Indeed, wow, all.

2679
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 2: Right, you had that one, said you had that one saved.

2680
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 2: I know you, I know your bitch ass.

2681
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,920
Speaker 4: It's let's go to PVC on Fox pay per view

2682
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 4: from Brooklyn. Here is the ringside view of that knockout

2683
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 4: we talked about Caleb Plant finishing Durell.

2684
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 2: Oh Lord, have mercy, good Lord. That is just a

2685
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:37,000
Speaker 2: phenomenal way to settle a grudge match, is it not?

2686
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 4: Yep? You can't see the the finishing hook as cleanly

2687
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 4: from this view, but you see that left took downstairs

2688
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 4: and then he came right back up top. Damn.

2689
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:48,200
Speaker 2: But again he waits just a half beat in the

2690
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 2: level chanprop he waits and then he comes up and finishes.

2691
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:52,280
Speaker 2: It's perfect.

2692
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:56,160
Speaker 4: And here is the very controversial celebration afterwards. Can we

2693
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:57,480
Speaker 4: go full screen on this please?

2694
02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know. Can you imagine being like this is

2695
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 2: a place of sportsmanship? Get the out of here, Luke.

2696
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 4: They asked Caleb Plant after the fight at the press

2697
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 4: conference about this very controversial moment. Here's his explanation.

2698
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 2: I'm just burying the beef between us, that's all.

2699
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,120
Speaker 4: Dude, he's cut you know what. You know what? You

2700
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 4: know our boss at showtime, Brian Daily, the great guy,

2701
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 4: you know what? He texted me in response to this

2702
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 4: natural heel like he could play that pro wrestling cool

2703
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:41,440
Speaker 4: bad guy in boxing if you wanted to? Could he?

2704
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:41,680
Speaker 2: Could?

2705
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 3: He not?

2706
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 4: Luke.

2707
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 2: I think the more interesting thing is that you talk

2708
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 2: to our boss is way more than I do. That's

2709
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 2: the that's the that's the big takeaway there.

2710
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:50,680
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the channels are open, Luke. If you

2711
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 4: want to make friends or you could, you know, just

2712
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 4: be bitter.

2713
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do that. That's the problem.

2714
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 4: All right, stay with me. I've gotten you pretty far

2715
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 4: in this run, Lucas. Okay, maybe that's not accurate history,

2716
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 4: but here we go. Let's not let's not do anything

2717
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 4: but celebrate Deontay. Wow, there's knockout as well. Here's the

2718
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:11,320
Speaker 4: ringside view of how he finished Robert Hellenius.

2719
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 2: You can barely even see and then look how stiff

2720
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:19,440
Speaker 2: like and you know, buzzed out that Hellennius is good

2721
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:20,120
Speaker 2: lord man.

2722
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:24,320
Speaker 4: There were a lot of very gnarly photographs done of

2723
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:28,200
Speaker 4: this finish. Here's one from ringside photographer Timothy Clary that

2724
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 4: I retweeted. That was just insane.

2725
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 2: Yep, look at that. That is insane in the membrane.

2726
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Wow literally, okay, literally wow. All right, Luke, we had

2727
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 4: a good fight in the MLB playoffs. Indians fans took

2728
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,080
Speaker 4: umbrage with this Yankees guy who had the higher ground Anakin,

2729
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:53,480
Speaker 4: you mean Guardians, Yeah, sorry, Guardians, Redskins, Sorry about that.

2730
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,040
Speaker 4: They're at Kashiker. Luke, he has the higher ground, but

2731
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 4: it didn't work out for him, as Vader gets it.

2732
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, get old big country there. Oh, just

2733
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:03,840
Speaker 2: throw his beer in his face.

2734
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:06,760
Speaker 4: To come back.

2735
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh then he fell even further down the stage.

2736
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah he did. He didn't. Don't fight with younger guys

2737
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 4: in a.

2738
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:15,560
Speaker 2: In a crowd. How about just don't fight at the ballpark?

2739
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:16,160
Speaker 2: How about that?

2740
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

2741
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this one more time. It's not

2742
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 2: hard to go to the ballpark and not get into

2743
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,440
Speaker 2: a fistfight. It's very easy to like just get in,

2744
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:25,520
Speaker 2: watch the game and leave.

2745
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 4: Okay, what about if you consume at least ten pictures

2746
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 4: or sorry pints of beer that were purchased for twenty

2747
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,880
Speaker 4: two dollars each, Luke, then you might you might.

2748
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:37,240
Speaker 2: You know, that certainly changes the equation a little bit,

2749
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:38,839
Speaker 2: but still okay.

2750
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:42,640
Speaker 4: Elsewhere in boxing, let's go to Haini Cambosis from down

2751
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 4: Under on this undercard. Look at Cherneka Johnson. She overcame

2752
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:50,640
Speaker 4: a cut that was just absurd to defend her IBF

2753
02:06:50,680 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 4: title versus Susie Ramadon. Look, I think you could see

2754
02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 4: bone some rounds. I'm not even kidding. This was gnarly

2755
02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 4: as shit.

2756
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually chocked this out. She actually had a

2757
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: post up about it later. She took a picture with

2758
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:06,400
Speaker 2: the cutman and thanked him for what good of a

2759
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 2: job he did, And he really did. He nailed it.

2760
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,080
Speaker 2: That What a phenomenal job by the cutman and keeping

2761
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 2: that as closed as he possibly could. Right.

2762
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about shields and Marshall being one of

2763
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:20,160
Speaker 4: the best Women's Championship boxing fights in history. This was

2764
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:23,200
Speaker 4: just in round one. This is where Shields really grabbed

2765
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:29,280
Speaker 4: my attention for just going for it. Not everything landing clean,

2766
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 4: but they let their hands go.

2767
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she's not jabbing and trying to stay away.

2768
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 4: She's going after it. She's seizing the moment. You gotta

2769
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:42,760
Speaker 4: respect that. The entrances, as I mentioned, were pretty damn awesome.

2770
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:46,240
Speaker 4: Here is a quick snapshot of Clarissa Shields coming to

2771
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 4: the ring, and by snapshot I mean video.

2772
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 2: Getting booed like a motherfucker too.

2773
02:07:56,240 --> 02:08:00,360
Speaker 4: Probably probably, But looky, we got dancers. I mean this

2774
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 4: is like a pit Bull concert.

2775
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't look Yeah, I mean, well.

2776
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:11,960
Speaker 4: Do you now a few a few of the fighters

2777
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 4: did this exact type of routine. Do you worry about

2778
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 4: gassing out here on the stage? This is Michelle Paedaedo

2779
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 4: Like here, Luke.

2780
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 2: No, it's still a little bit low key, all right.

2781
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,080
Speaker 4: If she had done the splits.

2782
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 2: Or something, that'd be terrible.

2783
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:28,560
Speaker 4: All right, Hey, let's go for some NFL weirdness. Here's

2784
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 4: the call of the week that came during the Cards

2785
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:31,400
Speaker 4: Bengals game.

2786
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:33,640
Speaker 2: Like, when there's a guy coming right in your face

2787
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 2: and he just sits in there and delivers it really well.

2788
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:43,480
Speaker 4: Uh you you do have to like when a guy

2789
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 4: just yeah, yeah, okay, do you I don't know.

2790
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:50,760
Speaker 2: Look I said this last night. Collinsworth had a decent

2791
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 2: one about dick being rammed down your throat.

2792
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully we see that next week, Luke. Where I

2793
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 4: come from? Uh, you know, I grew up an hour

2794
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 4: and a half from New York City, so I consider

2795
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 4: myself greater New York, right do you know?

2796
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 2: Am just New York all right?

2797
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,600
Speaker 4: Where I come from, this is called the Giant Hando.

2798
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:09,760
Speaker 4: What do you call it? Luke?

2799
02:09:15,240 --> 02:09:18,560
Speaker 2: I call that the New York City subway?

2800
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 4: All right?

2801
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:23,400
Speaker 2: I call that the two three at one am?

2802
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Luke, what do you what do you have it?

2803
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:28,320
Speaker 4: Do you have any pet nicknames for a nasty curveball

2804
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 4: in baseball when you're watching? Or do you just not watch?

2805
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:32,840
Speaker 2: No? I don't give a shit.

2806
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 4: All right, Well, get ready to see a curveball that's

2807
02:09:36,280 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 4: got to have BD. Check this out.

2808
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 3: Swinging at him is just wiped him out with a

2809
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:46,640
Speaker 3: big curveball. Man, The curveball has some serious dick to

2810
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 3: it right now, The curve dick to it.

2811
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if he meant to say dig Is

2812
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,040
Speaker 4: that a term? That boy? That pitch had some bit

2813
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 4: to it? Wow? All right? Uh hey, Luke, I found

2814
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 4: a new restaurant. You're always looking for Zaggut ratings, right. Unfortunately,

2815
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:13,800
Speaker 4: the health standards are kind of shitty. Would you eat here, Luke?

2816
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:21,879
Speaker 2: I'm only guessing this is from your family photo.

2817
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 4: This is your house after that grill got melted, Luke? Unfortunately,

2818
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 4: but uh.

2819
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that is That's one of the most horrendous things

2820
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:31,960
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, Luke.

2821
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,960
Speaker 4: We grew up with monumental two sport Athleteston Sanders, Bo Jackson.

2822
02:10:35,960 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 4: How about Rod Tang? We know we can mix it

2823
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,120
Speaker 4: up in the muy Thai. Here's here's old Row Tang

2824
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 4: on the soccer pitch.

2825
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, wearing number ten. No less, that's the prestigious one

2826
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 2: that it dribbles around some uh you know, cab driver

2827
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:52,280
Speaker 2: and gets the gets the nod. There?

2828
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 4: Didn't Honaldo wear number ten, Luke? Brazil's Honaldo? Didn't he

2829
02:10:57,480 --> 02:10:58,720
Speaker 4: wear number ten? Or was that nine?

2830
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

2831
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:03,280
Speaker 4: Do we have some episode with a woman that wasn't

2832
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 4: a woman? I don't remember, Luke, I don't I can't

2833
02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:07,520
Speaker 4: handle it all. Okay, let's keep it going. Hey, rite

2834
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:10,800
Speaker 4: that time. Joe Rogan shared this on social media. He's

2835
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:12,560
Speaker 4: got some super fans. What do you think of this

2836
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:13,480
Speaker 4: design though?

2837
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 2: So this would be new school portrait realism slash new

2838
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:24,120
Speaker 2: school mostly new school. It's well done. It's a well

2839
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 2: done I mean I would never ever want to get it.

2840
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 2: And there's some line work that's a little fucked up.

2841
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:34,400
Speaker 2: Go back to the first one. Look at the you

2842
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 2: see the alien spaceship. You see how the line's a

2843
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:37,240
Speaker 2: little crooked through it.

2844
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:38,480
Speaker 4: I like it, Luke.

2845
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, in general, it's well done. In general, thank you.

2846
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 4: Let's close with a couple more here. Did you know

2847
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,839
Speaker 4: in the US we had a visitor, the Finance Minister

2848
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:49,520
Speaker 4: of Pakistan arrive.

2849
02:11:49,880 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 2: Dullas, this is my neck of the woods. I've been

2850
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 2: to this place a million times.

2851
02:11:53,200 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the videotape.

2852
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:08,080
Speaker 2: You want to jump shut time out, don't shout.

2853
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 4: Right, you don't know me, mother, Try to be smart ass.

2854
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:20,320
Speaker 2: I'm fucking right here.

2855
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:30,520
Speaker 4: I mean, at least take them out to dinner first, right.

2856
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 2: Look, you BC, I will fuck you right here. You

2857
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:34,280
Speaker 2: understand me.

2858
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 4: Do you think that's the line that all the Tennessee

2859
02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:38,320
Speaker 4: players use at the bar after that game, look after

2860
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:42,200
Speaker 4: beating Bama, all.

2861
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,640
Speaker 2: Right, because the show was so long.

2862
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:47,760
Speaker 4: Hang on, Look, you are a master of the th HC.

2863
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,200
Speaker 4: Lately for your own health purposes, I want to see

2864
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 4: you get creative. They'll bring art to your smoke consumption.

2865
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 4: Let's check out these friends inside the studio.

2866
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,040
Speaker 2: Dude, I would just do that, but with my rear

2867
02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 2: end instead. You see, I will fuck you right here.

2868
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:18,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to come back down from

2869
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 4: that cloud, but if it's one of your ass clouds, Luke,

2870
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, I don't really I'm not really into that.

2871
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 4: All right. Hey, hockey's back. It's back, I think, which

2872
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:29,480
Speaker 4: means Red Wings fans are out here throwing full octopuses

2873
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,960
Speaker 4: onto the ice again. What the hell's wrong with these people?

2874
02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:33,600
Speaker 4: What's the significance?

2875
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's normal, that's just normal human behavior.

2876
02:13:37,480 --> 02:13:39,920
Speaker 4: Who brings a dead, whole octopus to a game?

2877
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:43,320
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing? This is okay? So

2878
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,760
Speaker 2: we've talked about like people who are like hardcore team

2879
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:49,720
Speaker 2: NFL fans. Yeah right, and there's just absolute dirtbags. Dude.

2880
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 2: This guy's car got repossessed in the lot I guarantee.

2881
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,240
Speaker 4: It Long Island. Luke is letting us know that in Detroit,

2882
02:13:56,280 --> 02:13:58,680
Speaker 4: the tradition is that you need eight games to win

2883
02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 4: in the playoffs to win the Stanley Cup up, which

2884
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:02,760
Speaker 4: represents the eight legs of the octopus?

2885
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 2: Can we not? Can we not? You know, you know,

2886
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,920
Speaker 2: kill sentient animals to do this? Is that? Like?

2887
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:11,040
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, Luke, I mean you you were praising hunting

2888
02:14:11,080 --> 02:14:12,680
Speaker 4: the other day. I've eaten a few burgers in my.

2889
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:16,160
Speaker 2: Yes, regulated hunting actually keeps disease down in populations and

2890
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 2: is good for the environment. Thank you.

2891
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:19,600
Speaker 4: Let's close with this though.

2892
02:14:19,800 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 2: Killing octopuses, they say.

2893
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 4: They say, Kids say the darnedest things, Luke. They also

2894
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:27,680
Speaker 4: do some pretty disturbing shit once in a while that ruins,

2895
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:29,600
Speaker 4: you know, like when you're moving out of your apartment.

2896
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, oh fuck dude, that kid just punches the

2897
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:35,800
Speaker 4: dude in the balls.

2898
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:41,840
Speaker 2: I'd be like, kid, the days of cocoa melon watching

2899
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:42,960
Speaker 2: are motherfucking over.

2900
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:45,919
Speaker 4: It's over. You think you're sleeping in our bed now? Nope?

2901
02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:50,440
Speaker 2: Nope? Two ky, sorry, all right, just dropping these fucking TVs.

2902
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:52,520
Speaker 2: I would I mean, kid would have the kid would

2903
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,200
Speaker 2: be in some serious parallefter.

2904
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 4: That that's the ship of the week. Look, we gave

2905
02:14:55,400 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 4: these people two hours and twenty minutes of our life.

2906
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,400
Speaker 4: I hope it was the best two hours and twenty minutes.

2907
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:01,600
Speaker 2: They have probably more boxing than they cared for, if

2908
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:03,600
Speaker 2: we're being candid. But that's the show, you know, that's

2909
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:03,920
Speaker 2: what we do.

2910
02:15:04,040 --> 02:15:05,800
Speaker 4: That's the show. What do you want more? You want

2911
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:07,200
Speaker 4: Morning Combat or Morning MMA?

2912
02:15:07,480 --> 02:15:10,800
Speaker 2: You know that's right. I want to remind folks, speaking

2913
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:14,640
Speaker 2: of MMA, the UFC two to eighty pregame preview with

2914
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:18,000
Speaker 2: Chuck NBC and yours truly is up right now. We

2915
02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 2: put it up yesterday, so go check that out. People

2916
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 2: seem to like it. They always love it when Chuck's

2917
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:24,040
Speaker 2: on the show. We do too, so that should be

2918
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:25,040
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

2919
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:28,920
Speaker 4: As a re say it the new A team, say it.

2920
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the New A team. That's fine. I don't mind.

2921
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:34,800
Speaker 2: I don't care. There's our socials. You can follow us everywhere,

2922
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,600
Speaker 2: including TikTok. I want to remind everyone this will happen.

2923
02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:39,520
Speaker 2: I will be doing a post fight show for UFC

2924
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:41,600
Speaker 2: two eighty right here on Morning Combat, so stick around

2925
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Speaker 2: for that on Saturday. Of course, we have two more

2926
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,880
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Speaker 2: What am I forgetting? What am I forgetting? I got?

2938
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Speaker 4: I got, I gotta, I gotta take a whiz, Lucan,

2939
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:21,320
Speaker 4: you know that nobody beats it, right, nobody?

2940
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:23,280
Speaker 2: Nobody beats no the fing wiz. You can go to

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2942
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:29,840
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2943
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2944
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:39,720
Speaker 2: Showtime MLT that's BC we'll see all Wednesday and until then,

2945
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:41,720
Speaker 2: all of your gains be loyal