1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is brought to you by 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Cozy Earth. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Comfort, style and quality. You can count on Cozy Earth. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now. Jeff 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Hayes Award winning filmmaker, director of a new documentary called 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Maha Uncensored, premiering February twenty fourth at mahamovie dot com. 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: A hard look at the business model behind American medicine. Jeff, 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. You've also directed the films The Real 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Faucian on Native Soil. Let's dive in here right 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: off the top. We have a lot of discussions about 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: drug prescriptions and the medical industry in general. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: What does the. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Data tell us about the degree to which Americans are 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: over prescribed? In other words, I've had the theory. I'm 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: curious if you would sign on if we just cut 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: half of all prescriptions in this country, would we have 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: any change in the actual longevity outlook four people in 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: their health in your mind? In other words, how over 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: medicated do you think we are? 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 4: Yeah? This and it starts with the over medicalization of kids. 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 4: But you know, when you look at just SSRIs, just antidepressants, 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: twenty five percent of the country is on an SSRI, 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: And we had one psychiatrist who just flat out said it, 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: not one human being should be on an SSRI. They 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: don't work, and they have potent side effects, and so 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: you know, we could get rid of way more than 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: half of the prescriptions in this country. 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: What about over medicating kids. 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about gender transition surgeries and the 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: fact that finally people are recognizing that that doesn't make sense. 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: But that's actually a tiny pinprick of the amount of 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: drugs that kids are on these days. It's skyrocketed in 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: the twenty first century. What does the data tell us? 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had one of our experts who was working 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: while he was getting it finishing his medical degree, was 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: working at a state run institution and he had kids 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: as young as three and four that they were putting 38 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 4: on SSRIs. And then when you add to that where 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: we're medicating for ADHD, we have no clue what this 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: is doing to a developing brain, and we're not addressing 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: the real problems. 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: What would you I know, you just did an entire 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: film on it, but let's pretend that and I'm sure 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: you have in some ways you've been able to talk 45 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: with the administration, if you had a magic wand what 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: would the healthiest thing be to do for America when 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: it comes to drugs and drug prescriptions. 48 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: Well, amazingly, the number one thing we could do for 49 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: our drugs and drug prescriptions is fix our food supply 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: because where that's where it starts. And so this we 51 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 4: ended up doing sixteen chapters in this documentary where we 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: t other pharmacy, benefit managers, diabetes, cancer, longevity, functional medicine. 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: It grew where we had to do sixteen thirty minute 54 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 4: chapters for you know, the starts on the twenty fourth, 55 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: but it goes over nine days, just because there was 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 4: no way it would fit into a one and a 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: half hour film. 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: One of the I would say most transcendent and intriguing 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: aspects of the twenty twenty four election has been this 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: union of Trump supporters and also then a lot of 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: moms that that may not have traditionally been Trump's supporters 62 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: but came in through RFK Junior and now have become 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: a part of the Trump movement. What do you see 64 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: from and what do you hear from these moms that 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: are questioning a lot of what is being told to 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: them about the health of their kids. 67 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. I was in the room that day in Phoenix 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: when Bobby canceled his campaign on August twenty third, and 69 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: we're sitting there. He had wanted some friendly faces in 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: the room, so I had flown out. And after that 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 4: they said, hey, we're all going to a Trump rally. 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: And twenty four hours earlier, I didn't know I was 73 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: going to be in Phoenix, much less on the front 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: row of a Trump rally. And so next thing you know, 75 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: we're there. And when when President Trump introduced Bobby, that 76 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 4: stadium went wild and it was just on and on, 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: and President Trump was stunned, Bobby was stunned, and that 78 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 4: was where Bobby coined the phrase make America Healthy Again, impromptu, 79 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: and the MAHA movement was born. Now, these Maha moms 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: right now are kind of ticked after the presidential order 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: that President Trump just fined a few days ago make 82 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: glyphosate in the interest of national security. So you know, 83 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: we definitely want to hold on to these mom moms 84 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: and and and see what the thinking was behind that. 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: But I knew when all of a sudden I saw 86 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: those forces join, I'm like, wow, the market for my 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: material just went up by a factor of one hundred. 88 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: When you look at this, uh, this overall story, which 89 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: is still in its early days, what do you stand what. 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: Stands out to you? You mentioned the union of Robert F. 91 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, the coining of Make America Healthy Again, this 92 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: movement that has become transformative for many people out there. 93 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: Do you feel as if we are seeing the pinprick 94 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: of an impact? 95 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: Do you think it's going to grow? Where do we 96 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: go from here? 97 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? You never bet against fierce mothers, So yeah, that 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: that's how things are changed, is is moms protecting their children. 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: And I think that now that we have Bobby and 100 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: as Secretary of Health and Human Services, we have a 101 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: lot of public support. If we can depoliticize MAHA and 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: just all agree we all want to have healthy children, 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: I think we can make some changes. But there's some 104 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: structural things in the way that medicine has run and 105 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: food is run in this country that we're going to 106 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 4: have to dismantle and it's going to take some time. 107 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: How do people find the movie? What should they know? 108 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: How can they see it? 109 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? We put it up for free. They can go 110 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: to mahamovie dot com and pre register on Tuesday, the 111 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 4: twenty fourth they'll see in the first chapter is How 112 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: Did We Get Here? And it's a fascinating story. 113 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait to check it out. We're going to 114 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: watch it. Jeff Hayes, thank you so much for taking 115 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: the time today. 116 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: Hey, thank you for having me. 117 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: You're listening to Team with Clay and Buck. 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: We are joined by Steven Yates. He's a senior fellow 119 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: at the Heritage Foundation, a former White House National security official. 120 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: Our friend, mister Yates. Great to have you, sir. What's 121 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: going on, but. 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 5: It's great to join you. Thanks so much. 123 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: So. 124 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: We want to ask you about whether we're going to 125 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: war with the Iran h It's a big question. And 126 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: the reason we're asking is because, as we know there 127 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: are there's sort of a dual track situation playing out. 128 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: On the one hand, there's negotiations I think in Geneva 129 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: sounds right over Iran's nuclear program that the administration is 130 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: involved in. And then there's also a build up, a 131 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: substantial buildup of military assets, aerial assets, specifically F thirty five's, 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: F twenty two's in the Mid East, prepared for what 133 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: could be a sustained aerial campaign against Iran. What do 134 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: you see happening here? How do you think this plays 135 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: out well? 136 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: Buck? 137 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 5: I think that the president and his team are doing 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 5: far more than any of its predecessors to kind of 139 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 5: increase the chances of a negotiated settlement of sorts. It's very, 140 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: very difficult to see there being any security from the 141 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 5: nuclear program under the current regime. That's why the president 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 5: says that if the regime were to change, that might 143 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 5: be better. He's not saying he's going to do it. 144 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 5: But the armada that is there is doing two very 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 5: substantial things. It is stopping the illegal support for the 146 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: Iranian regime financially that has been a big vulnerability in 147 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 5: the past, And of course it has the ability to 148 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 5: strike hard, and the President has proven a willingness to 149 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 5: do that not very long ago. So this should increase 150 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 5: the chances of a negotiated settlement. But I have to say, 151 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 5: bottom line, I don't see this regime in Ran negotiating 152 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 5: a good faith and an appropriate amount of time. So 153 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 5: I think the odds of a strike that would be 154 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: an active war but not a total war very high 155 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 5: over the next two weeks. 156 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So what is the goal of the strikes. Thanks 157 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: for coming on, Steve. I mean, I think that is 158 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of where we dive into next because the understanding 159 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: that we had, and I think it was the right 160 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: decision on the first strike, was this is directly a 161 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: directly attributed to trying to eliminate Iran's nuclear arsenal, right, 162 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: or their ability to develop a nuclear arsenal? Are we 163 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: trying to replace the Ayatola with this strike? Are we 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: still going after nuclear weapons? I think this needs to 165 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: be a huge part of the discussion in general, is 166 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: what is the strategic goal here? Do you have a 167 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: sense for that, and how do you think the administration 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: goes about making that choice? 169 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 5: Well, I completely agree that it's necessary that if we've 170 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: fought off the ghosts of Iraq in many, many different ways, 171 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: but that idea of making clear what the strategic objective 172 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 5: is and what America's role is relative to other countries 173 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 5: very very clear. I think that the targets that they 174 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 5: would hit would look more military, so it would be nuclear, 175 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 5: but also some of the ballistic missile and other capabilities 176 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 5: to demonstrate that we can do this and there's nothing 177 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 5: they can do about it, and knock them back a 178 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 5: little bit. To maybe buy more time and see whether 179 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 5: they sober up for real negotiations. There's I think this 180 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: added layer of statements that were made about the atrocities 181 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 5: that are committed by the regime, the human rights violations, 182 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: and I have deep sympathy for that, but I don't 183 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 5: think that is the proper use of the US military. 184 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 5: I think that's the area that has to be made 185 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 5: much much more clear. The strike had to be degrading 186 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 5: the capabilities of the regime, while they have maximum pressure 187 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 5: to degrade the economic capabilities of the regime, and the 188 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: rest of the world is going to have to step 189 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 5: in and help handle some of the other elements of 190 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 5: the political transformation. 191 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: In my view, you know, Steve Yes, the ghosts of 192 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: the Iraq and Afghanistan wars loom large and all these conversations, 193 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: and I think that's that's a good thing. I mean 194 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 2: in terms of making sure that we don't get pulled 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: into something, and I think Trump is very aware of 196 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: getting pulled into something deeper and in a much at 197 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: much greater risk to us and to our people than 198 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: we want to be. So as part of that, one 199 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: of the conversations that I think keeps coming up and 200 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: people have been asking me, so I want to pose 201 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: this to you and get your take on it. In Venezuela, Okay, 202 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: we took Maduro out and well took him to prison 203 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: cell in New York, but there was a clear pathway 204 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: of other people and really much of the rest of 205 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: the regime is in charge there now. So there's kind 206 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: of an ongoing negotiation process about what will happen and 207 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: how that country moves forward. But the US clearly has 208 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: a lot of leverage. What is the opposition in Iran 209 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: is do we have any real sense as to if 210 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: the Mullas fall. If they fall, who takes over. 211 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: About that is the most important issue that they have 212 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 5: to work through. And I don't take it as a 213 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: given that whatever the US does in the near term 214 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 5: is going to be about regime change. I think what 215 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 5: they demonstrated in Venezuela is that a step along the 216 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 5: way is that we are going to change the maybe 217 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 5: the nature of the current regime and renegotiate sort of 218 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 5: the terms of trade and dealing with the United States 219 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 5: and the world, and under these new terms, maybe we 220 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 5: buy more time for a longer term transition to whether 221 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 5: it's an opposition or a reformed country. But in Venezuela 222 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 5: the opposition is not yet in charge. It maybe in 223 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 5: the not too distant future if there's an election. The 224 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 5: same goes with Iran. I mean the dedasification issue in Iraq, 225 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 5: which you know as well as anybody, just is one 226 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 5: of the biggest ghosts of what people think of as 227 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 5: a failure in the Iraq strategy. Keeping some of those 228 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 5: institutions in place so there isn't broader instability and mayhem 229 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: across the region is one of the priorities that have 230 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 5: to have. So I think there could be a move 231 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: that gets at the top leadership and there could be 232 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 5: a change to someone else in the regime. Personally, I 233 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 5: would love it if this regime went away, But I 234 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: personally just think that the US role is to strike 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: hard the way no one else can, to contain fallout 236 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 5: as best anyone can. But it's the Abraham Accords, countries 237 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 5: and others that really need to be managing more of 238 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 5: how do we have an economic and political relationship that's 239 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: different with Iran. 240 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: We have a lot of Iranian listeners on this program. 241 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, we opened up a phone 242 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: lines and said, Hey, what kind of support is there 243 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: in your social networks for Iranians in the United States 244 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: for the Royal family to be installed in some way 245 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: as a holder of power that is a transition to 246 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: potentially a new government. Do you like that idea, Steve? 247 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: Is that a crazy idea in your mind? Again, building 248 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: on what we learned in Iraq, sweeping out one group 249 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: and trying to replace another can be dangerous. But there 250 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: is some form of nostalgic positive reflection on the Royal family, 251 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: if only based on how awful things have been under 252 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: the malas well. 253 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: I agree, and that could be a viable alternative. But 254 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 5: I think one of the things we felt got stung 255 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 5: in the Iraq situation was having a leader that comes 256 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 5: into place that is just viably identified as the American choice, 257 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 5: and for a lot of the world that suffers from 258 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: pretty high dose TDS, if it's perceived as being Trump's choice, 259 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 5: there could be a problem of trying to hold coalitions 260 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 5: and investment and other security engagements that are necessary for 261 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 5: that transition. I think that might explain why we have 262 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 5: this muddled or middle ground approach in Venezuela two. If 263 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 5: the opposition was seen as chosen by the United States 264 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 5: and our president, then there could be may be grounds 265 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 5: for greater resistance. So a more organic and sort of 266 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: stepping stones across the river approach seems to be the 267 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: way they've gone at that. That might be more what 268 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: they try with Iran. But I do think that looking 269 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: at viable alternatives to the theocratic regime, most of the 270 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 5: diaspora agrees with that, which is a fancy way of 271 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 5: saying the people who are RUnni and that live overseas. 272 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 5: And then I think there are also large parts of 273 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: Persian culture that are not Islamist that could work with 274 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: that kind of an approach, but it needs to be 275 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: seen and protected as being the Iranian people's choice. 276 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: Steve, I'm in South Florida, and so I got to ask, 277 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: how shaky do you think the regime in Cuba is? 278 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's very shaky. And that's an area 279 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 5: where I think oddly, while people wouldn't attach smart power 280 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: to the make America great again foreign policy, I think 281 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 5: that we've used some very effective levers that are non military. 282 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 5: We've used our military to cut off the oil that 283 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 5: is an immense pressure on them. The move in Venezuela 284 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 5: politically was tied very close to them. So in terms 285 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 5: of political warfare, economic warfare, and economic security, we've really 286 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 5: maxed options, and so I think we've got the best 287 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 5: shot we've had for this external pressure campaign to maybe 288 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 5: give a different path forward. But what fascinates me is 289 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 5: really in Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and maybe other places, we're 290 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 5: really seeing a very sophisticated approach to easing these transitions 291 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 5: without America going in to push it too far and 292 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 5: have it blow up back on us. 293 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: Buck asked a good question about Cuba, and I'm utterly 294 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: fascinated about that, but also on Iran you mentioned it. 295 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: I think this is important. There's a big difference oftentimes 296 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: between what is publicly said and what is privately said, 297 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: particular from the other Middle Eastern countries Saudi Arabia at 298 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Al that clearly have made the decision they don't like 299 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Iran and would like to see changes made there. Do 300 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: they actually want the Ayatola out? In your impression, this 301 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: is the Saudi Arabias, the Bahrains, the Uaes that are 302 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: just kind of running all through all these different countries 303 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: that are technically Muslim countries but are not allied with Iran, 304 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: Or do they deep down like the fact that the 305 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Ayatola is such a disaster that they don't have to 306 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: worry about Iran as a regional threat so long as 307 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: he is there and therefore don't actually want him gone. 308 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 5: Do we have a sense on that, Well, I think 309 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 5: there is a pretty clear sense. And you know, in 310 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: our country, I don't think enough Americans appreciate the fact 311 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: that the Iranian regime has threatened to kill our president 312 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 5: more than once over the history of this dispute. That's 313 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 5: not kind of matters. I mean, you just remember presidents 314 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: or human beings. But also you just can't allow that 315 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 5: if you are a sovereign power and a global power. 316 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: And these other regional allies believe me, they have suffered 317 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 5: under assassination attempts and other kinds of violence against them. 318 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 5: They have blood feud with the theocratic regime across the 319 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 5: water from them, in many cases, some across a border 320 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 5: like Iran. In Iraq, I think very very clear to 321 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 5: them that they would much prefer to have a reform 322 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 5: oriented government there and they would invest heavily, and there 323 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 5: is a path to peace and prosperity that way. But 324 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 5: it's expanding the ethos of the Abraham Accords, and under 325 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 5: the theocratic regime in Iran, that's not an option. They 326 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 5: support the radical terrorists that attacked Israel and believe in 327 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 5: river to sea mentality, and that is not compatible with 328 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 5: our allies in the Gulf. 329 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: Stephen, before we let you go, I'm sure you saw 330 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: AOC showing up in Munich to show off for foreign 331 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 2: policy skills. Did not go, I think as planned. And 332 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: she was asked about this crazy thing that no one 333 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: had ever heard of before, the China Taiwan conflict and 334 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: or the possibility of China Taiwan open conflict, and her 335 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: answer was hysterical. So we appreciate that the humorous component 336 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: of this was covered. If you were to give AOC, 337 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: if you were tutoring her on this issue, say hey, 338 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: here's what you should say. Say you sound like you 339 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: know what's really going on with China Taiwan. What would 340 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: be your sixty second or less answer to the question 341 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: that she turned into, yeah, like, I mean they have 342 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: maps and stuff. 343 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: Well, it was mind blowing, And if I were her, 344 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 5: I would not go to a security conference and try 345 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 5: to do that. As a social media influencer, you better 346 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 5: just do a ten second search of GROC and probably 347 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 5: ai could have given better talking pointers. And I'd say 348 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 5: you've been begin with the basics. Free people who are 349 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: investing heavily in our country, we should be giving them 350 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 5: the ability to defend themselves as much as humanly possible. 351 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 5: And also let's hold up some accountability and transparency with 352 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: China at the very least stand with an ally like Japan, 353 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 5: and let's see where we can go and avoid the conflict. 354 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 5: I think she tried to get there. She couldn't land it. 355 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 5: She borderline couldn't even speak. And I don't know why 356 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 5: you go be a speaker at an international security conference 357 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 5: not prepared for basic questions. 358 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: It is funny that you mentioned GROK because she has 359 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: probably a staff of how many people do you think 360 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: work for AOC fifty fifties, one hundred? I mean if 361 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: you go across everywhere, I mean it's a huge number 362 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: of people. And see, she could have just said, hey, 363 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: how do I answer a question on Taiwan on GROK? 364 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: And it would have given her an infinitely better answer 365 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: than whatever staff she had trying to prepare her for 366 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: that event. Steve, we appreciate you. We may need you 367 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: back on when when or. 368 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: When war breaks out. Officially, he's got to fix the 369 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: war when it breaks out. So yes, that's right, Thank you. 370 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: Thanks question. 371 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcas Asked is brought to you 372 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: by Cozy Earth. 373 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: Comfort style and quality. 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And if we need National Guard, and 384 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: which we did years ago, he. 385 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: Brought it on. 386 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 6: I love him. I don't want to hear none you 387 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 6: got to say about their racist up And don't be 388 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 6: looking at me at the news, hate knowing me because 389 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 6: I'm standing up for somebody. Get deserves to me, stand 390 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 6: up for Get out the man's back. 391 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: Let him do his job. 392 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 5: He's doing the right thing. 393 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 6: Back up, off on you and Grandma said it. 394 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: That is the Grandma said it. A lot of you 395 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: nodding along out there. That was yesterday in the White 396 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: House as as President Trump honor Black history and actually 397 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: spend a decent amount of time, I believe based on 398 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: the clips that I saw, also talking about the Reverend 399 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, who he got along with. 400 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Trump did quite. 401 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: Well, and An issued a statement that I thought was 402 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: very kind on the passing at eighty four years old 403 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: of Jesse Jackson. I one other good bit of news 404 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: here as we finished the hour, since I'm trying to 405 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: look and make sure we got good news. Thirty year 406 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: mortgage rates are hitting four year low today. 407 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: Buck. 408 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how much attention it's gonna get. They're 409 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: still high right at six percent on a thirty year, 410 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: and I know many of you out there have got 411 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: three percent, three and a half percent, four percent mortgages, 412 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: and so you're not going to be moving. But these 413 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: mortgage rates coming down to an era before they started 414 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: to skyrocket because of Joe Biden's inflation. It is hugely 415 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: important to the American economy because we have to get 416 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: more houses on the market, Pricing will be more reasonable, 417 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: all those things so many people are not willing to 418 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: move because of the mortgages that they have. We get 419 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 1: them back down to five percent, it's going to make 420 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: a tremendous difference. We could be moving in that direction 421 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: at some time this year. But mortgage rates thirty years 422 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: have hit a four year low. Worth mentioning for people 423 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: out there. As the spring shopping season for homes gets 424 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: closer and closer, I think there may be so little 425 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: bit more thawing because so many people are just not 426 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: willing to move based on the fifteen and thirty year 427 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: mortgage rates that they got. I know a bunch of 428 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: you are nodding along right now because you're saying, Hey, 429 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: I can sell my home, but I'm gonna have to 430 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: pay way more in mortgage rates no matter where I move. 431 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: And that is often true for a lot of people 432 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: out there. So that is worth mentioning and as positive, 433 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: very nice. 434 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: Everyone can sleep soundly at night knowing that the mortgage 435 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: rate has dropped some basis points here. 436 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: By the way, we've said a lot of positive thing 437 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: about but Buck's book, which is surging the bestseller list, 438 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: a VIP did find a typo Buck And because this 439 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: audience is more obsessed with grammar than anyone he felt 440 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: compelled to write in the book is excellent, But just 441 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: letting you know that contact tracing was spelled contract tracing 442 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: on page eight buck, how you. 443 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: I that typo? I caught it when I was doing 444 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: the audio book of Manufacturing Delusion, which you should all 445 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 2: go download if you have not already, go get that audiobook. 446 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: But Clay, when I was reading it, that one, that 447 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: one hit me hard, man. That one was that was 448 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: the one type of the toughest. 449 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: Thing about doing an audiobook is you see things that 450 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: you want to fix and it's too late. 451 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: Because they're off to the printer already. I have read. 452 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: I read the manuscript, the final manuscript. I'd thirty times through. 453 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: I mean so many, to the point where it was 454 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 2: like a like I just my eyes were falling out 455 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: of my head. And I didn't catch that one. So 456 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: that was the one typo that we weren't able to 457 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: fix that I knew it was there, but I promised 458 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: next edition it'll be gone.