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Speaker 1: If I haven't told you about a my buddy's brother

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Speaker 1: If I haven't told you about this man eating tiger

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Speaker 1: and uh, this man eating tiger in India. I told

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Speaker 1: a guy that's been on this podcast, and I've met

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Speaker 1: his brother. I fished purchased his brother. Um kills of

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Speaker 1: This tiger in India killed thirteen people before they were

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Speaker 1: got mauled About that, seth, you believe it? He tried

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Speaker 1: to fact check it in. Yeah, we tried you what

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Speaker 1: killed midday by the fewer people that are actually hunting

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00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: that time period. Yeah, like no one's there, but they're

426
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: getting them. But they're getting them. Um, but it's tough.

427
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not necessarily fun now, Lauren, when

428
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: you're up filming Mark Kenyon being in a tree all day,

429
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: what's your perception of what's going on? Are you like, dude,

430
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: this job sucks or do you feel like you're hunting?

431
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: I think any time you're out there, you're kind of

432
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: feeling like you're hunting. You're part of the hunt. You know.

433
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: It definitely isn't the greatest deal sitting in a tree

434
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: stand all day, especially a sling or a saddle or

435
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: you know, it's not comfortable, so but you're definitely engaged

436
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: looking for that one bucker, any deer, any movement the

437
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: whole time. So it's kind of just like an assist,

438
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: you know. That's how I feel about it. Are you

439
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: periodically filming or do you let hours go by and

440
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: not film anything? Well? I think that hours went by

441
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: without filming for sure. Uh. You know, you're stuck in

442
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: one place, so shot options become pretty limited. You get

443
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: as creative as you can, but you know in retrospect,

444
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: you're always like, oh, I should have done more, I

445
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: should have done this or that. But you know, you

446
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: can only shoot the same angle, same depth, same focal

447
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: length so many times, so you're and too. We had

448
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities on on does and fawns and

449
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: not moving and lots of getting pinned down. Uh. So

450
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: there's only so much dough footage you're going to shoot,

451
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: so only so much of the interaction. Oh, I got

452
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: a close up of the fawn eating. You know, I

453
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: think I've got twelve of those, So do I need

454
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: any more. I'm gonna stop filming that. We're going to

455
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: not move, like what? How does I think At one

456
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: point we were discussing, did he say what the are

457
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: you doing? But then when we reviewed the footage and

458
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: he he didn't say that, he said, what are you doing?

459
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: What was I doing? I think I moved or you

460
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: can't move like that? Yeah, you know, Ridge Poder were

461
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: like an old We're like an old couple. Yeah, I'm

462
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: like an old abusive husband. He was pretty gentle. He

463
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: didn't really yell at me, but I get it. I

464
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: think it's definitely, uh gets intense enough where you don't

465
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: want to screw anything up, especially if you're on a

466
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, pretty high end hunt where you know you're

467
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: the camera guy. If you messed this guy's hunt up,

468
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about it, you know, And uh, that's

469
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is mess up

470
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: somebody's hunt. So you're definitely part of the hunt. You're

471
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: a hunter at that point because you're looking for the shot.

472
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: I feel I felt bad a couple times. I think

473
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: I apologized to once and I was like, I'm sorry.

474
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I think I get a little bossy up in the tree.

475
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I have like hunting turettes, were like, I can't help myself.

476
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: I have to say, don't move, stop moving, Why are

477
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: you moving? You can't move like that. A couple of

478
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: times I'm like, oh, that you're six o'clock. We had

479
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: our system down for sure, And and that happens real quick.

480
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: The first day was brutal. The wind was blowing, it

481
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: was twenty five degrees. We're both shivering, you know. At

482
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: one point your teeth are chattering. You're like, oh my god,

483
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: are we ever gonna be done with this? Uh? But

484
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: then time goes on and dope pins you down or

485
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: whatever happens I think we had you know, we got

486
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: lucky because there were a lot of deer and a

487
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on the whole time, so it

488
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of kept us busy in that respect. And then

489
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: after three days, the third day flew by twelve hours.

490
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Was no big deal. What time of the day when

491
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: you're doing a twelve hour mega sit? Got his twelve

492
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: hours too, it's almost maybe longer than twelve bars. Well,

493
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: we got in it getting the stand around six twelve bars,

494
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: get out just after six. At what time of the

495
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: day do you hit where you're like, oh, we made

496
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: it three Yeah, I mean there's that point where ten

497
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: o'clock rolls around You're like, oh god, it's a double shift. Well, yeah,

498
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: So it was the first day we did I think

499
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: it was we sat and then we went to this

500
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: new spot and there was bucks chasing does all over

501
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the place. It was like it was a good morning,

502
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: and it was probably around ten o'clock and I look

503
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: at Laura. I'm like, I've got good news and bad

504
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: news for it. Which do you want? And then he guessed.

505
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: He's like, is the bad news that we're sitting all day? Yep,

506
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: we're sitting all day with a good news because the love. Yeah,

507
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: there was sons of deer. We counted yesterday. I think

508
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: we saw thirty five that last count after that keeps

509
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: you busy, and there was enough to do up there.

510
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: Though it is totally uncomfortable. I mean, your feet go

511
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: numb and I don't know. It's not not the greatest deal,

512
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: but this is my first time ever bow hunting for

513
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: white tails or any kind of deer um bow hunting

514
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: on like a private managed property, where do you have

515
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: a chance to grow old and to like be there.

516
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: Knowing that you could see one of these bucks come by.

517
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: It's four years old, keeps you, keeps you wanting to

518
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: sit there because these are things you just read about.

519
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: No them to be like that they actually might show up.

520
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: You think it's gonna be easy, but it's not easy.

521
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: It's still not easy. There's still too many things that

522
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: could go wrong. But like no one they're out there

523
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: is makes it intriguing. Man, no one they could roll

524
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: around the corner. How many opportunities did you have mark

525
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: on two and a half year olds? Oh, we could

526
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: have killed a lot two and a half year olds,

527
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: a good handful of them, lots of year and a

528
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: half olds, a couple three year olds, one three year old,

529
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: maybe two three ye olds. I can't remember, dude. That's

530
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: where you're screwed up. Man Like, like, explain to people

531
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: what you talk about. You talk about a mature buck

532
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: because you always use the word mature buck. You don't

533
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: put like a number to it. Yeah, so I I

534
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: would typically call four or older mature. Some people will

535
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: say three year older. In Michigan, the three year old

536
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: is if it's everything's relative, right in Michigan, a three

537
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: year old in most places is the most the most

538
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: mature buck you might have around. But you don't mean

539
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: sexually mature, because they're sexually sexually mature at one and

540
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: a half correct? Correct? So what do is mature? Yeah?

541
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, why not to say big as bucks in

542
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the eye of beholder, Right, it's in the eye behold.

543
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: It's all relative. But when you get to four or five,

544
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: four plus, you were at that top percentile of age

545
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: and most populations and in any state really, um, you know,

546
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I think people would look at year and a half

547
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: old bucks being like your I don't know, like a

548
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: ten year old, like a young child. The way they act,

549
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: the way they think, the way they operate. You get

550
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: to a two year old, you've got like a young

551
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: teenage type deer. You know, you got your fifteen year

552
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: old boy running around being crazy. You get two three

553
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: year old that's like your college kid. That's dude out

554
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: of the bar. Yeah, he's like they're hitting the bars.

555
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: But they're there. They can be like the big boy

556
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: in town in some places, like they can walk around

557
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: their chest out. They were pretty good and strong, but

558
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: they still don't quite have it. But when you reach four,

559
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: that's like you're I think a four year old is

560
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: like a thirty one year old. He's in the PC

561
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: of everything. Um wow, okay, so yeah, four or five, six,

562
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: you're getting to they've they've they've achieved whatever whatever. Bodies

563
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: structurally skeletally mature. That's what I've missed. That's a good point.

564
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: Yet they have a weird way. They look different. When

565
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: they get that will for sure everything about them. You

566
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: see them from hundreds of yards away, and you know

567
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Definitely where they carry their head,

568
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: the neck, the chest, it's all. It's it's almost a

569
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: different animal. And just how deliberate they almost look like

570
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: in their head they're gone they seem like old men,

571
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: is what they seemed like a day. How old are you,

572
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: Steve Man? So I'd say a four year old plus

573
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: kind of like a forty four year old person. Damn it,

574
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: halfway to eighty eight man. But here's the deal. Let's

575
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: say he snapped both of his antlers off. You wouldn't

576
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: shoot him even though he's four and a half. You know,

577
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: I had an interesting scenario like that two years ago

578
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: with not to bring up the same deer again every

579
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: time I ever talked to you, but holy Field broke

580
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: off part of his main beam. I like hearing about

581
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: this deer and I thought him to be four years

582
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: old that year, and he snapped out half his antler,

583
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: and I was faced with this question. I was like, well,

584
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: it's the buck OFT been hunting forever at that point,

585
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: I've been two years. He's mature. But he lost half

586
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 1: his antler. What would a lot of people are asking

587
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: what here gonna do? What are gonna do? And I said,

588
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna shoot him. But if he had knocked

589
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: off both of his antlers, in my thought, it would

590
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: be if I were to take that deer, I want

591
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: to take that deer, like as I knew him, if

592
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense at all, So come on, it makes sense.

593
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: But come one part of it, part of that how

594
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: do I describe it? Mental masturbation? You kill it, you

595
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: kill a deer, and you take it, and you take

596
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: the meat, you consume the meat, but then you also

597
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: have some kind of a mento to remember that animal body.

598
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: So that antler, his antlers, the mountain. That would be

599
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: an important part of that hunt for me to be

600
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: able look at that, remember that, see that, and it

601
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: would just feel it just be a just be a

602
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: bummer to kill him and not be able to see

603
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: him in all his glory again. And why I wouldn't

604
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: want to kill something and then feel like a bummer

605
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: about it afterwards. Let me put it this, let me

606
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: do this to you. Let's say you found it. Let's

607
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: say you had him because you found where he snapped

608
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: him off. I guess in that case then yeah, because

609
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: you could you could just the tax dumers could could

610
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: fix it. Um. But yeah, it's an interesting question. Now

611
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: holy Field was the uh you think that buck's dead?

612
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I think so I found a shed in February thinking

613
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: still like found Zandler. So that mean as he made

614
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: it into the winter. Figured he'd be back this year,

615
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: but have gotten zero pictures, zero sightings. None of the

616
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: neighbors I talked to have seen him or gotten pictures.

617
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: So what do you think he's where? Where do you

618
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: where do you think he's dead from? Well, we found

619
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I found his shed early, So I found it at

620
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: the very beginning of February, late January. So as an

621
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: early drop, lots of times early antler drop is indicative

622
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: of health issues, nutrition, something like that. So my theory

623
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: is that maybe he got shot by someone in gun

624
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Seas he had injured in some way, So he had

625
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: an injury, dropped his antler early, and he's to come

626
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: to die off over the winter, wouldn't kill or something

627
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: like that. I was bear hunting one time at May

628
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: and saw a bull elk still packing his antlers around?

629
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Is that pretty unusually? Honest? I've seen quite a few.

630
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I had some of my best elk. I don't do

631
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it, but elk shed picking days um

632
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: late in May. We on my birthday still dropping. Well

633
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: just you know when you go there and they're all

634
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: on top of the grass, nothing's going over him, They're

635
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: all just brown laying there. You know like it just

636
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: recently happened. I'm with you, m to what degree if

637
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: you like to, if you're if you're a guy that

638
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: wants to kill mature white tail box, I mean one,

639
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: they got to be there, absolutely in many places. That's

640
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: the biggest thing keeping to them killing them is that

641
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: they're not there. Yeah, they didn't exist when I was

642
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: a kid and I grew up ninety miles from here,

643
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: they really did. I mean, I don't want you think

644
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: that's to find him a point out. Okay, We hunted

645
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: uh public land north of us a little bit, and

646
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: we hunted some large farms. We hunted some large farms

647
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: very near our house, within an eight mile All the

648
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: honey we did, unless we went out to Baldwin so

649
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: on public land, all the honey we deal was an

650
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: eight mile radius less than eight mile radius of our house. Okay,

651
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: and unt some large farms, two farms, and my people,

652
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: my my father knew from church families. My father knew

653
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: from church and let us hunt out there where these

654
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: were like three and four acre dairy operations where they

655
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: were running dairy and they were growing corn and raised

656
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: alfalfa to feed cows. And they had river bottoms, thickets

657
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: like the whole picture, okay, And these two farms were

658
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: virtually up against one another over the entirety of over

659
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the entire I ready of my until I moved to Montana.

660
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: I and my old man's one shot and shot with

661
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: his bow. One time of all those years of everyone

662
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: hunting in the farmers kids hunting and us hunting, and

663
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: everyone hunting and then surrounding, only one time that a

664
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: buck that I now recognized to have been the three

665
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: and a half ye old buck ever come off anywhere.

666
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: I never laid eyes on one, dead or alive. I

667
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: do not think you could read. I do not think

668
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: they could reach three and a half years of age

669
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: unless they lived in some deep, dark swamp hole that

670
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: nobody went to. Ever, the one my dad killed, you

671
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: killed on the edge of a pine plantation, small little

672
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: thing called the pines. We ain't mark. You think years

673
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: ago Michigan had any big box or are they just

674
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: not around? I think that Steve's right for them to

675
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: like to to a degree, there were definitely fewer of them.

676
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: There were there were mature bucks around, but there are

677
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: few and far between. And then number two, I do

678
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: also think that years ago people weren't as tuned into

679
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: how to kill mature bucks too, So it's much people

680
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: are much more savvy now and the things you need

681
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: to be doing to see and kill mature bucks. Back then,

682
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: it was kind of head out of the most people

683
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: head out in the woods next to a tree trunk

684
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: or something like that, or get up and sit on

685
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: a tree branch and shoot something over a carrot pile,

686
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: because you weren't running cameras either, so you didn't know

687
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: if you didn't know. If you knew one was out there,

688
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: then you'd like change everything to go get them, but

689
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: you didn't know they were out there. The one my

690
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: old man killed, he didn't know what exists until it

691
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: walked under the tree, right. Yeah, But I do think

692
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: culture has changed so much that allows a lot more

693
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: dear to to reach that age. So probably the biggest

694
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: thing is just that the number of mature bucks around,

695
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: it's just higher now. I remember being in high school

696
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: and one of the farms we hunted on and one

697
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: of the kids, Tim, who was still a big time

698
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: hunter to day and and does a really good job.

699
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: He's got a small property now but does a very

700
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: good job with wildlife. Habitat on his place. He was

701
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: the first guy. And I was in high school and

702
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: I heard Tim's are a lot had passed on multiple bucks,

703
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, something must be wrong with

704
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: that dude's head. But he was a revolute he was

705
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: like a pioneer man. He was a revolutionary at the time.

706
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: It's like passing on bucks you crazy. And he had

707
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: gotten good enough where he could do it. We used

708
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: to think a big buck a big buck was just

709
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: a year and a half old buck. To put more

710
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: times on. My brother Danny shot with his bowl one time.

711
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: He shot an eight point and got it stuffed. It's

712
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: still hanging in my mom's house. It's a year and

713
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: a half old buck. In our head. It was a giant.

714
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: I remember he shot it and put a hole right

715
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: through its heart. It took three steps and fell over

716
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: it on itself, and he got a mount it and

717
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: we you wouldn't believe we went through the drag dead

718
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: deer ahole because the last you'd ever do was cut

719
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: a buck off in the woods because you want to

720
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: go show everybody. And it was like Danny killed the

721
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: eight point. Danny killed eight point. But there was no

722
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: perception it's just the same thing. It's just the same

723
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: year and a half old buck. We thought that the points, yeah,

724
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: exactly on those points. I think that puts it in perspective.

725
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: I didn't growing up. I was taught that like Spiker

726
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: far Horn was one year old, and then if he's

727
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: the six point, he's probably two years old at eight

728
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: points three, and Ted it's probably four years old, no

729
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: matter the size. You know, in our family, we didn't

730
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: even talk about age at all. It was just the points.

731
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, he's a spike, he's a six point.

732
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: Never once did say it was probably three or five.

733
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: It was the same much. My first buck was an

734
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: eight pointer and I got it mounted and I thought

735
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: it was the biggest damn buck ever. But it's well

736
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: under a hundred inches. When when I shot a thing,

737
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: I was like and disbelieve A thought it was a

738
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: giant because someone getting an eight point got everyone's attention.

739
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: But now you look at him, you're like, yeah, it's

740
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: just like a he just a year and a half old.

741
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: So point being, I don't think that they were around

742
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: and then culture changed. I think that a couple of

743
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: things that led to it. In a handful of places

744
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: like information about what it required to grow a big box.

745
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: And I think kind of a changing people. This is

746
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: like some old man ship here, but but a lot

747
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: has changed around the way people handle permissions and stuff

748
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: on their properties. And I think that at the like

749
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: when I was coming into the world, there were a

750
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of properties around us, farms and stuff around us

751
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: where the farmer wasn't even exactly clear on who was

752
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: hunting there. People just hunt, you know, if someone gave

753
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: you permission years ago, you just kept going on until

754
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: they told you not to go any more. And so

755
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I think that there was more. I think that later,

756
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: when people started to recognize the value of dear more,

757
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: they started to kind of like wanting to know who

758
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: was out there, and it just it wasn't like such

759
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: a free for all, you know, I had I would

760
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: have hunting permission on farms where every person that asked

761
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: had hunting permission. No rhyme reads to it. I just

762
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff has just come to an end.

763
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: It's tough to come by. I was sitting next to

764
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: the the there, and I I was sitting at dinner

765
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: with you have met or heard of Shane Mahoney. Everyone

766
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: here so he's kind of a preeminent expert on the

767
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: North American model wildlife conservation. He's kind of like a

768
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: conservationist philosopher type figure. So how you describe me like that?

769
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: He saw him about just the way it's become hard

770
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: for new hunters. The way it's become hard for young

771
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: hunters is those days are kind of done when you

772
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: could just wander around hunting on people's land, on neighbor's land,

773
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and you know the farms where everyone can just kind

774
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: of go where you take your twenty two and ride

775
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: out on your bike and go. And he said, there's

776
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: all these programs now they're like meant to sort of

777
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: like recreate that, because that you're not going to recreate it,

778
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: and and and if there's an upside to this, the

779
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: upside of this is I think there's a lot more

780
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: big bucks running around now as people like exercise more

781
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: control over their stuff. And I don't know what good

782
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: big bucks really are. Besides they look cool, they represent something.

783
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: They represent an ecosystem, well at least a species of

784
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: population that is in balance in a natural state. If

785
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: you looked at the deer herd in Michigan in nineteen

786
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: seventy or something like that or whenever you get are

787
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: hunting around or whatever this was. Um it looks like, um,

788
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: that was a very askew deer herd. Heavy heavy on

789
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: the dos, very light on any type of mature bucks.

790
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: Just tons and tons of year natural bucks. That's not

791
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: a natural herd of deer as as it would be

792
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: in you know, several hundred years ago when it wasn't

793
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: as impacted by what we're doing. But now you are

794
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: finding some places where you have a more natural herd,

795
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: which is which is beneficial, not just for hunters I'd

796
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: like to see big bucks, but having a relatively balanced

797
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: age structure that's good for the whole herd. And what

798
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: way is that good for the herd? So, for example,

799
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: if you have more mature bucks and you have a

800
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: balanced kind of structure of the different ages and things

801
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and balanced with the does, you're gonna have a more

802
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: tight rut. If you have a tight rut, if you

803
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: have a well timed rut happens consistently in a small window,

804
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: you gonna have a better fawn dropping, tight fawn drop,

805
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: a well placed fawn drop that is conducive for the

806
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: females and the fawns to be most healthy grown up

807
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: the next year. So if you get um, let me

808
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: describe the opposite scenario. If you have a scenario where

809
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: you've got lots and lots of does, not many mature bucks,

810
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: just a bunch of year and affle bucks, you're gonna

811
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: get does coming into heat and bread at all different

812
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: times of the year in the fall, so we're gonna

813
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: say a very spread out trickle run does and getting

814
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: bread in mid October all the way to mid December,

815
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: scattered all around. So you've got fawns dropping in March,

816
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: you got fawns dropping and may not March. You got

817
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: them dropping in late April, mid May, early in June.

818
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: You want to have a tight drop if you have

819
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: fawns dropping all the same time, less coyote predation. If

820
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: you have them dropping at the right time that's not

821
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: too early that they're freezing and not having nutrition available,

822
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: but not so late that they're getting a late start

823
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: on being able to go in the winter. Small exactly, Um,

824
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: So that that I mean, there's a whole bunch of

825
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: different things on those lines that lay a couple of

826
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: things in here. Real quick. No, you're not rambling at all.

827
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: But I remember in those in that era, it was

828
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: common to hear that you had bucked to dough ratios

829
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: of twenty or thirty does to every buck. And I

830
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: remember when I learned that they were born basically one

831
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: to one ratio. It's kind of shocking to see that

832
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: that level of of harvest on the bucks. But it's

833
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: a thing that like, and I've talked about this before.

834
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I talked about it here, but

835
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: when we had like largely kind of eliminated deer really

836
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: knocked deer back bad. You know, even coming up into

837
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: the into the nineteen thirties nineteen forties, just weren't that

838
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: any deer around. Um, people became very like like it was,

839
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: it became culturally taboo to shoot. Does I remember, like

840
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: in this era we're talking about when I was a kid,

841
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: there were a lot of old timers that would like

842
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: disparage someone who shot a dough And because you wanted

843
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: to get a deer, you just shot the box and

844
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: you shot every damn buck anyone ever laid eyes on

845
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: got shot, and you'd wind up with these situations where

846
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: you had, like I said, twenty to thirty dolls for

847
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: every book and the box were all most books were

848
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: not living in to see their second December. Even relatively recently,

849
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: that was still the case in a lot of states. So,

850
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: for example, in Michigan, and I'm gonna get the numbers

851
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: not quite right, um, but some number of years ago,

852
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: maybe it's ten years ago, give a take the percentage

853
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: of the buck harvest in Michigan. If I remember right,

854
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: someone's gonna email you and say I'm wrong, but it's

855
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: somewhere in this ball park, something like se of all

856
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: the bucks, maybe more of all the bucks killed in

857
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Michigan were year and a half olds. Now it has

858
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: dropped down to so significantly improved, but still one of

859
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: the highest in the country, something like fifty five percent

860
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: or fifty some percent now, I think is the number

861
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: of the bucks killed in Michigan annually are year and

862
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: a half old, um, And that's still like the top

863
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: five in the country. But now across the entire country

864
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: several years ago, for the first time, an age class

865
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: different than year and a half olds is a higher

866
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: percentage of the buck harvests than year and a halfl

867
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, so now bucks over three comprise overt of

868
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: the harvest. If you look at across the country, and

869
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: this has changed over the last fifteen and twenty years,

870
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: has just been dropping down. So why don't why don't

871
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: guys that are big into white tail management? Why don't

872
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: they let I know, the answer to this is Poe

873
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: using it. Why don't if you want balanced age structure,

874
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: why don't they let the once they hit four? Why

875
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: don't they become hands off? Why be like, oh, we

876
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: want to make older box, we wanna make older bucks,

877
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: but then systematically kill off every buck that gets to

878
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: be that same threshold age. Why is there not a

879
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: movement to or or like a management strategy be like

880
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: to get to be like post trophy and say like,

881
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, man, if he hits four and a half,

882
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: what one in a hundred bucks or whatever it is

883
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: will be four in half. So as big as they're

884
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna get, then we let those go because we're gonna

885
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: create five year old, six year old, seven year old.

886
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: But instead they get that big and people just get

887
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: so lusty for him they want them dead. So it

888
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: makes it hard to argue that you're really trying to

889
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: have these like age classes in places it seems like

890
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: you're just walking What you're really trying to do is

891
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: have big box because you want to shoot big bucks,

892
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and and you're trying to like act like there's some

893
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: biology or or a college or conservation at work when

894
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, how convenient, I think. I mean, I

895
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's gonna argue the fact that anyone who

896
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: is managing deer also wants to hunt deer. They want

897
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: to take some deer. So yes, so there's gonna each

898
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: person is going to set a different goal that is

899
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: going to hopefully achieve something beneficial for the her, but

900
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: also they've got to have a goal as far as

901
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: what they want to try to hunt in harvest. And

902
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: if you start saying that, you know, I want to

903
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: wait for six or seven or eight or nine year

904
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: old bucks, you're simply never gonna shoot you bucks then,

905
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: because it's really really hard to get bucks over four,

906
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: let alone over five um. Even on big managed properties.

907
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 1: It's just not an easy thing to do because even

908
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: if you have a large property, these deers still go

909
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: all over the place. UM. So it's no guaranteed thing

910
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: that if you pass on a four year old he's

911
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: gonna make to five um. Whether you're on a hunt

912
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: ac or property or a thousand maker property that's not

913
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: a guarantee, So that just kind of wants up being

914
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: about as old. Like, there's so fewer five or year

915
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: olds and four year olds even yeahs, I don't know

916
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: of anyone. Even the folks that take management to the

917
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: highest level have great, big properties. Um, they can control

918
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: a lot of acreage. I don't know anyone that really

919
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: looks at targeting anything over five. Five is kind of

920
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: like that. If it's over five, it is fully mature,

921
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: it has has kind of reached the pinnacle as far

922
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: as body size, antler size. It's it's it's it's um

923
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: expressed whatever genetic potential there. It is. What he's gonna

924
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: be is what he's gonna be, and that's a fully

925
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: mature deer that's gonna do everything that the mature dear

926
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: is gonna do. And if you can get them older

927
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: than that, great, but that's hard to ask for. UM,

928
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: So five year olds or what most people kind of

929
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: set as that top end. During this week, tell me

930
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: about the or I can start the encounters you had

931
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: with with um, the closest encounters you had with mature

932
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: bucks and what what went wrong? Yeah, well I had one.

933
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: I had one encounter on the ture buck for sure,

934
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: mature buck? Do you wanna tell my story? Do you

935
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: want to start with yours? You go ahead? No, dude,

936
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: whatever you decide, Mark, you should go first. Okay, they

937
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: had it began and ended so fast like they do.

938
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm perched up in a really shitty tree powder.

939
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna talk about the one that

940
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you screwed up, because I don't think he was four

941
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: and a half. I think he was like three and

942
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: a half or something like that. What do you think

943
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: he was? Mark? So I that's not the deer I saw.

944
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: The deer I saw? Was that the one that you

945
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: screwed up? The big one? The other one that's a

946
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: mature buck. I didn't see the big, big one, but

947
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking with the other one. But did you screw

948
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: that up? No? I screwed up? Well, I in that

949
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm a person that has an order to him, not

950
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: an unusual order. In fact, my wife comments, I'm not

951
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: a smell uh in fact, not a smelly person. But uh, okay,

952
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: can we talk about the one you screwed up? Sure? Man,

953
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: it's a story. So first of all, I'd like to

954
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: preface the story by saying that this is never in

955
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: the history of mediator ever happened to me before, as

956
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: far as i'm you're embarrassed about it, but you don't

957
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: need terrible. So Lauren was talking about the pressure of

958
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: like being a camera dude on a hunt like that.

959
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: To me, that interaction that happened is worse than any

960
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: like anything either one of the hunters could have done. No,

961
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: you gotta tell it now, Okay, if killing uh killing

962
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: the mature buck mark? What percentage harder does it become

963
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: when you have a camera person? It is harder. I

964
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's half as likely something significant. Sure, it's

965
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: twice as hard, a little less, twice less, twice hard,

966
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: but there's is a lot, there's already a lot that

967
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: can go wrong, and you're just making it's it's not

968
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: quantifiable because there's twice as much older, there's twice as

969
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: much movement, there's twice as many weird there's twice as

970
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: many weird blobs up in the tree, there's twice as

971
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: much sound, and and I found that that, Um, the

972
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: best camera guys. I don't know why this is, but

973
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: the best camera guys don't have this is this is

974
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: not a fair statement. We have some phenomenal camera guys

975
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: who don't have a strong hunting background, which is a plus,

976
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: but they tend to not know how to read a critter.

977
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: They don't know how to read a critter, and they

978
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know when. Is this fair? Probably No, it's totally fair.

979
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I think I've I've been learning how to a lot

980
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: better taking its temperature. I take a critter's temperature now,

981
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel maybe not to the extent of pro but

982
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm close. I think when is it appropriate to move? Yes,

983
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: taking his temperature? A deer standing there, uh, who's kind

984
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: of like waving his nose through the air and kind

985
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: of almost wanting to like stop his front hoof don't move,

986
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: then that's yeah. Okay, so yeah, you're taking this temperature

987
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is not an appropriate time for

988
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: movement because this deer is like I don't like something.

989
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't like, but I don't

990
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: like it a deer, this guy his nose of the

991
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: arts of another dear Time to move man still slowly? Yeah,

992
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: so you get it. Yeah, that's good. A turkey who's

993
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: got his fan up and his fan is between its

994
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: head and you you can do it. That's time to move. Um.

995
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there and and we're in a weird

996
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: setup where we're actually differ. Thinks I'm gonna tree stand

997
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: up in a shitty tree, and Chris is in like

998
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: a little outhouse. What do you call us? That's like

999
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: a box. Chris is up a little miniature plastic bad

1000
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: box blind. It was less than the desirable filming location.

1001
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: But it wasn't That wasn't the problem. The problem was

1002
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: about ten am. I get a text from Chris. I'm

1003
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: looking at Chris. Can hear me? So? So we were

1004
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: I were him because we're filming. So I have a

1005
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: mic and I can whisper to Chris. I can be

1006
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: like six o'clock do or whatever. But he can't communicate

1007
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: to me. Um. We have one thing where there's a

1008
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: stick that he can hang out of his blind and

1009
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: that conveys a certain message to me. What What did

1010
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: that convey? That conveys? Because this is the problem we have.

1011
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: That conveys I see it, dear, that you don't see.

1012
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that this stick does not come

1013
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: into play very often, but it did one time. But

1014
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: one time the stick came into play. Yeah it's damn Yeah.

1015
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: We met Pounders mom and uh and this pounder and

1016
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: miss Founder and she was telling us about a great

1017
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: cook Pounder so and she made a bunch of cookies.

1018
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: So around ten I get a text, Is that what happened? Yeah,

1019
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: and you needed to go down because you had left

1020
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: your camera battery at the base of the blind. So

1021
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: I had my backpack. But then I had like a

1022
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: little go bag that I had made, and I was

1023
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: stoked on it because I was gonna have it all

1024
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: like folded in and silent, and if I needed to

1025
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: like quickly change a battery, I would just reach into

1026
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: this bag. No zippers, no velcrow, nothing, grabbed the battery.

1027
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: Still noisy ass bag. Yeah, well until it's until it's

1028
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: in its right zone, then it's then it's it's it's

1029
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: not the greatest bag, But I was stoked on the idea.

1030
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: But then I stupidly forgot to put the battery in

1031
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: that bag and left it in my bag at the

1032
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: bottom of this ladder. And you didn't have a pea

1033
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: bottle and I didn't have a pea bottle, and you

1034
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: can't really sneak her up out over the window ledge

1035
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: a little too high, and you could have sneaked her

1036
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: out the door, but you had to get a battery anyway.

1037
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: So he says, is it okay if I climbed down?

1038
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: It's ten am? Is it okay if I climbed down

1039
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: and get me a battery and take a leak. I

1040
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: see you at the door open, I see him come down.

1041
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: I see him turn away from me, presumably, Yeah, you

1042
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: sneaked her out. And I looked past you and down

1043
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: the hill, and I'm not kiddey man. We've been sitting

1044
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: there all morning. And he hits the ground, starts taking

1045
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: a whiz, and in the direction he's whizzing, I just like,

1046
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: here's a buck, and he's coming, and he's close, he's coming.

1047
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: It was like you ever have a dream where like

1048
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: like when you wake up from the dream, you and

1049
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: you realize that it was the dream, you're like so

1050
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: relieved that it wasn't real life. Yes, that's what it was,

1051
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: except it was real life. Oh that was like the

1052
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: worst case scenario. And I'm saying to you, like I do,

1053
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like Chris, Chris. Then I realized he can't hear.

1054
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: He had to unhook. So you eventually turned around and

1055
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I give you a frantic like down on the ground,

1056
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: and I see him good out of his phone, like

1057
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna fil him with his phone and aim it.

1058
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: It's my only instinct. And it's a nice buck. It's

1059
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: a nice like I'm like very interested in shooting his buck.

1060
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: And this buck comes up and I think he's gonna

1061
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: come right up the edge you're on and when be

1062
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: perfect And I'm like, he's gonna pass and buy ten

1063
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: ft away about it, like he probably not gonna he's

1064
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: probably not gonna see because you're hunker down in tall grass.

1065
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: But then he cuts and comes in and picks up

1066
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: your smell. And here's the difference between like an older

1067
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: buck and a not older buck. When he hits that smell,

1068
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: it's he turned like like you watch deer hits smell

1069
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: all the time, and a lot of your hits smell.

1070
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: They hit human odor and they get this like oh

1071
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, and they wave their nose in the air

1072
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: and they're like they're gonna run. Maybe not. They stop

1073
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: their footy, they take three bounds and stop again and

1074
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: and blow and whatever they do. They and then they

1075
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: drift off raising all kind of fanfare and tail in

1076
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: the air and all piste off and letting everybody know.

1077
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: And you know, but it took him like a full

1078
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: minute to like come to the conclusion this is what

1079
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: they want to do. This buck hits that like that

1080
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: wall of scent, and he he doesn't like his attitude

1081
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: doesn't change really, but he just stops, turns around and

1082
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: lowers his profile. M hm, like he sees like slink

1083
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: into the earth more and just go back the same direction.

1084
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Very often that you describe that wall of scent. I

1085
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: feel like it's they hit a wall. They literally you

1086
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: can physically see it as if they smash their head

1087
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: into it and then bam, it's all different after that.

1088
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: And he's like not he doesn't desire to draw any

1089
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: attention to himself. No pause. It's like that's how they get,

1090
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: that's how they live. Like that's the difference in the

1091
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: buck that dies in a buck that lives. It's like

1092
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: you bump a big meal to your buck, you know,

1093
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: like muled your famous for like you bump amulder buck

1094
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: and they run and they're gonna vanish. They're gonna get

1095
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: where He's not gonna be able to he's gonna vanish

1096
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: over the edge, but he stops and looks back. Like

1097
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: the big ones when you bust a group of them.

1098
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't go the way the dolls go. He goes

1099
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: a different way, and he ever stops, he doesn't stop

1100
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: and do that. What was that? And this buck man?

1101
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: It was kind of magical to watch him just be

1102
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: like not killing me today, sons of bites and just

1103
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: slunk out. Now the other one go ahead. I was

1104
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: just gonna ask, this wasn't the short time one, or

1105
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: was the short time one he had? He had one

1106
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: of his sides, one of his sides had noticeably shorter

1107
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: times than the other side. Now, the one that was

1108
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: my not the one that was not I don't want

1109
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: to say it was my fault, but the one that

1110
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: was not Chris's fault. All day were watching deer that

1111
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: are like following a certain line of traffic. They're they're

1112
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: they're coming into our zone and they're like coming along

1113
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: the same edge and some break some go straight, and

1114
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: some break left and come up past us, eat some

1115
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: dry leaves or laying on top of the snow. They're

1116
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: like that little spot m hm. He just watched deer

1117
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: They're like doing this all daylong. And there's one spot

1118
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: I can't see really clearly, and it's kind of like

1119
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: a ridgeline that comes up to where we are, and

1120
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: late in the morning, like you're saying, late in the morning,

1121
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: here comes one and I look and he's already it's

1122
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 1: too it's happening too fast, already coming against the flow

1123
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: of traffic. Walking the ridge just has that dead on,

1124
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: like paranoid look to him, but traveling like with a

1125
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: sense of purpose. And it's a ten, it's a nice ten.

1126
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: And he comes up and I'm like, oh my god,

1127
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: like he's gonna pass ten yards way, He's gonna pass

1128
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: sen yards away. I get my bow. He's behind some brush.

1129
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm not even only have a chance to start pulling

1130
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: back and hits the wall of scent and not even

1131
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's so close to me and I've been

1132
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: there for hours, and the winds like not the kind

1133
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: of wind that flushes everything away, but just to kind

1134
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: of wind it's like very steady in the direction and

1135
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: you've pooled up I don't know how much stink at

1136
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: ten yards away, and he hits it and just gone vanished.

1137
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: Was that one of the bigger white tail bucks you've

1138
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: seen while honey at least yeah, right, yeah, probably a

1139
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: pretty nice one, super nice one. It was the kind

1140
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: of buck, and I was glad. I was kind of

1141
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: like reviewing in my mind. I was kind of glad

1142
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: and have time to dwell on how nice he was.

1143
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: But I finally I could do everything better when I

1144
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: have time. If I have time. Um, you see something,

1145
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: you get excited. When you have time, the excitement goes

1146
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: down and you start remembering the important things. This would

1147
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: have been one of those great shots to screw up,

1148
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: because um, it would have happened too fast. Do you

1149
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: think is there anything like if you I always trying

1150
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: to do this at least any kind of mature bucking

1151
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: counter that doesn't end the way I wanted to try?

1152
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: Self analyzed little bit when you look back in that,

1153
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would have done differently? Is there

1154
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: any other Yeah? I would be after all this time

1155
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: we've and spending in trees and and just having things

1156
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: like that happened and then not work out. I think that, Um,

1157
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to do it. But the balance of shooting

1158
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: lanes and cover, Yeah, because here you have here here

1159
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm in a tree where of the stuff around me,

1160
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: there's no possible way to take a shot. You're also

1161
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: not that high in that tree either. That's a pretty

1162
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: low stand. It's a horrible tree. Yeah, that from that

1163
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: angle you got plenty of cover. You can't it's impossible

1164
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: to shoot the years own. You cannot shoot now. Though,

1165
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: if we assume that we're stuck with that stand where

1166
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: it is, if the back had been trimmed out, you

1167
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: know how much worse we would have been, like hung

1168
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: out to dry them. That's the thing, because if you

1169
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: could like I actually was sitting there tonight thinking about um,

1170
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: I was actually sitting there to night thinking about this

1171
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: problem and the cover you and I think if I

1172
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: hunted up, if I hunted up a spot where I

1173
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: was really like putting in multiple years in hunting there,

1174
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: I would I would probably like my contribution to white

1175
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: tail hunting would be that I would become very detail

1176
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: focused around selecting spots not just for their location, not

1177
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: just to take advantage of pinch points and travel routes,

1178
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: but I would put a lot of energy into places

1179
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: that had good cover and and so that if I

1180
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: looked around me, if I like spun in the degree circle,

1181
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: I'd be going to like cover shooting lane, cover shooting lane,

1182
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: cover shooting lane, even if I had to have someone

1183
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: come out, if I had to like take my woman

1184
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: out and give her a pulse, give her a pulse,

1185
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: all with a thirty foot handle. I'm sorry I have

1186
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: to interrupt, but I don't think you're bringing up anything

1187
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: new here. I think that you're explaining what most people

1188
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: go out there and try to achieve, not when you

1189
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: doing not when you're running around making snap decisions about stuff. Yeah,

1190
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: I think you do. We used to when I when

1191
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: I was younger, my old man put a ton of

1192
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: focus on it. Not covered, but shooting lanes. If you

1193
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: have the preset stands that you're putting up the four

1194
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: season and stuff, Yeah, absolutely, but not like we're doing

1195
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: the running gun hanging hunt. And I think I think

1196
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,440
Speaker 1: the issue here, right, both your situation and my situation,

1197
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: we ran to the same problem. Um, But I think

1198
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: I think what we have here is we've got a

1199
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: property that we are trying to get stands up this summer,

1200
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of stands up across a bunch of places,

1201
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: and they're simply wasn't time to get every single one

1202
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: perfect right guy, and nobody haunted it. Yeah, you guys

1203
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: were the first ones. Right. Um, So I think what

1204
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: we have this year, now we're getting us first run

1205
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: through like all the stands we've we've hung all the

1206
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: spots that got trimmed out. I think now this next

1207
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: spring and summer, we're gonna know, Okay, this one we

1208
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: gotta fix a, B and C, this one, we gotta

1209
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: trim out this, this and this and and we'll have

1210
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: time to go back to a lot of these other

1211
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: stands that we just barely had time to get up

1212
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: this year. Now it's now we can try to get

1213
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: things a little bit more fine tuned. You don't have

1214
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: a back background as an arburst, is there? Right? So

1215
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: this is especially sensitive subject, right, I can I can

1216
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: feel that you stewed on it. I have stuped on

1217
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: it as well because it it hurt me too. But

1218
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: that's something okay, talking about getting screwed by big bucks,

1219
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: getting screwed by big Bucks, the anatomy of getting screwed

1220
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: by a big Buck. Well this that same day that

1221
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: you had your big giant Buck come by and be

1222
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: stuck behind brush, I get this text message from you

1223
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: saying I had a giant at ten yards couldn't get

1224
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: a shot because of brush. I told you I could

1225
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: have jumped on him. Yeah, yeah, I should have jumped

1226
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: on him. Why wasn't that your your change? You would

1227
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: have made um. So that morning, like I said, me

1228
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: and Lauren had um, we've been seeing handle, not even

1229
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: hand a good number of bucks running through, chasing does

1230
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: around a lot of activity. So I gave him the

1231
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: good news bad news speech, told him we're gonna sit

1232
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: all day and um, as you alluded to. Around eleven o'clock,

1233
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: I turned around, Hey, Lauren, this is the beginning of

1234
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: what I think is the best stretch of the day

1235
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: oftentimes for like that one solo mature buck to come through,

1236
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: just notorious eleven to one, big bucks, big old mature

1237
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: bucks are gonna come cruising through checking these doe betting ears.

1238
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: And the spot we were in was a really cool

1239
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: little bench on a ridge, and there's great betting behind us,

1240
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: great betting sort of in front of us a little

1241
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: ways and then around the corner of this ridge. It

1242
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: just seemed like a spot that a mature buck with

1243
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: cruise midday. So we even said a bet. We're like, okay,

1244
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm betting, Like, let's put money, Like, I have one

1245
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: dollar bill in my wallet. I bet you that we

1246
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: will see a mature but a deer. I think we

1247
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: just said a deer. I bet like eleven thirty five

1248
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: we see the first deer between eleven and one. You

1249
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 1: walk around with a one dollar bill in your wallet. Yes,

1250
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: in this situation, I have been have a one dollar billon.

1251
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: Was it? Um? I lost? You did loose and then

1252
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: later we double or nothing to that one again? Um?

1253
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: But it actually I wasn't quite right because we saw

1254
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: the dough at eleven thirty. The buck we saw one

1255
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: hour later. So twelve thirty rolls around. We've seen a

1256
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: few doughs coming through. Midday twelve thirty, I am looking

1257
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: off to my right, kind of doing my skin, and

1258
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: I noticed a dark shape moving along the side of

1259
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: this ridge. And there's snow over everything. It's snowed overnight,

1260
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: so you can see these bodies or lists right away.

1261
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: Pull my bannocks, get eyes on him. And at first

1262
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: I saw the buck and I'm like, Lauren Buck coming

1263
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: in whatever six o'clock or whatever it was, and um,

1264
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: he gets turned around and I'm like, usually the first

1265
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: thing to say if it's a buck or dough and

1266
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: then right away there's used a quick snap judgment like

1267
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: little buck or shooter or something like that, just so

1268
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: he knows like yeah. And first I was like buck,

1269
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: big buck. And then I'm wasna looking at him again,

1270
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: and and I'm trying to look at his body and

1271
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: trying to like see what's coming my way. And for

1272
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: the first time this trip, I was like, I think

1273
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: that's a shooter. Um. I just remember noticing obviously bigger body.

1274
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,440
Speaker 1: And then when you looked up as antlers, I saw heaviness.

1275
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: There was a heaviness to it. And I remember looking

1276
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: at the main beam and seeing like something funky going on,

1277
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: another thing of indicative, like you're not gonna see a

1278
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: year and a half old or two and a half

1279
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: year a buck. That's gonna be some kind of unique

1280
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: funkiness to the rack. Um, So he's coming down the ridge,

1281
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: and earlier, maybe ten minutes before that sounds rout right,

1282
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: maybe five minutes before, we had seen a couple of

1283
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: deer running or moving across the opposite ridge, and so

1284
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: I grunted a couple of times just on the off

1285
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: chance that one was a buck. We occasionally do like

1286
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: a hail Mary grunt. So I grunted. Now this about

1287
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: comes in. We didn't know if he was coming in

1288
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: just because he was cruising, or if he was coming

1289
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: into the ground. But make your grunt noise. Well, I

1290
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: usually as a grunt tube. Just guys, zuck, you can

1291
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: probably do it all right, all right, all right, do

1292
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: your turkey call with no turkey call. Check this out.

1293
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: This guy with no turkey calling his mouth. Do the

1294
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: p Yeah, that's where he makes his magic. Good. That's good, man, Yeah,

1295
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: that's real good. So there you are, Matt nice. Just

1296
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: buck we got on camera. Yeah, well, well you're you're

1297
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: stealing my thunder. So the next thing I know, um,

1298
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: he is coming up. He comes over the rise at

1299
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: this point like full blown. This is absolutely buck, I'm

1300
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna shoot. I grabbed my bow. I turned into position.

1301
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: He's worked his way across and at this point in

1302
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: an encounter with the mature buck, I'm usually holding my

1303
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: bow and then I'm gonna grab my release and have

1304
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: it clipped on and ready to go. So I go

1305
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: to clip on my release and I don't have a

1306
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: release on my hand because you were changing your clothes.

1307
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: Because just a minute like minutes something before I had

1308
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: added another layer put a vest on. So I took

1309
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: everything off, put the vest on, and I take off

1310
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: my release. Well, I put my release in my pocket

1311
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: and forgot to put my release on. Downfall of a

1312
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: twelve hour sit. Yeah, I kind of want to put

1313
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: a layer on, take a layer off. Whatever. So this

1314
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: is the most terrified I've probably ever been in my

1315
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: entire hunting life. When I've got this great, big mature

1316
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: about coming in and I don't have a release on,

1317
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: and I said a bad word on camera. I'm like,

1318
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: I blanked up. I said that. He's walking in and

1319
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm like scrambling trying to get my release. I found

1320
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: it and I'm trying to get it in my hand

1321
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: and he's just slowly walking across. Fortunately, the area he's

1322
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: walking across is all limbs, like there's zero zero Could

1323
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: you drawn back? Uh No, because he was so far

1324
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: from being from being able to be in a shotline

1325
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: that I'd be holding back for three minutes. So I

1326
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: remember getting the release on and my hands started to

1327
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: shake while I was trying to get it on so

1328
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: badly I could not get the strap through the buckle

1329
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: like I was sitting there like, oh my gosh, this

1330
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: bux that was shaking from the release, from freaking out

1331
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: about trying to get the release, that's what threw me.

1332
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: Um Like. I was like, I gotta get this thing on,

1333
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. And I'm just imagining he's standing right

1334
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: in the open and I can't shoot him right now.

1335
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't, but in my mind I was sticking as it.

1336
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: But finally I remember telling myself, don't think about going fast,

1337
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: just just pull it through. Just so, I like slowed

1338
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: it down and I got the release on, and I

1339
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,440
Speaker 1: looked back up and he's still behind all these tree limbs,

1340
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: slowly working his way. I'm okay, he's right there, he's

1341
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 1: moving in. He's like thirty yards, he's twenty five yards.

1342
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: Question about the release? Do you ever practice fingers so

1343
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: that just in case you release, said falling into the snow,

1344
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: you just had to let him walk. You couldn't shoot fingers.

1345
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I would shoot fingers. Can

1346
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: you shoot a short limb bow with fingers? Fingers? Why,

1347
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: there's a certain there's a minimum actle to actually you

1348
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: have to have so you don't get like a real

1349
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: bad pinch from the bow stream and my grip is

1350
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: so strong I can just grab the loop. Oh yeah,

1351
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: pinchinger and thumb. That's very impressive. I do train that.

1352
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: Put it in your teeth. Thank you. Mark. Yeah, no,

1353
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: no release snow go, no release snow go. But in

1354
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: this case, I was able to get the release on time,

1355
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: and it was a huge relief. He's still there. I

1356
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: clicked on, like, all right, that's great. But then I'm

1357
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: looking at him and there's just no shoot there's no

1358
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: holes I can get a shot, I can't thread it

1359
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: through anywhere. I'm looking at him like trying to see,

1360
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: and he's just knew me, knew him his way along,

1361
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: kind of just and sniffing around, walking along just perfect.

1362
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: I was twenty yards broadside Lawrence, felling him gray, and

1363
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: he's a beautiful buck. And then I look, okay, no

1364
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: shooting lands, no shootlings. I'm seeing, Okay, he's gotta walk

1365
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: another ten yards or so, and then there's there's no

1366
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: reason for a buck to be lingering around that long

1367
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: without hitting the shooting lane. But he's moving anyway. Yeah,

1368
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: and I agree there should have been a shooting land

1369
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: here there, just there just wasn't Um, there's shooting lanes

1370
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: in the other three directions. This was just the one

1371
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: spot that we didn't get yet. And but he's moving,

1372
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't do you any good slowly moving, And

1373
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: unfortunately he slowly moved in the direction that our wind

1374
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: was blowing, the one direction we didn't want him to go,

1375
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: and there was no openings before he hit that wind.

1376
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: So just like you described, he's walking along and he

1377
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: hits the wall, and as soon as he hits the wall,

1378
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: it's like someone spanked him. Like he just jumped and

1379
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: bounced off. It's different than your buck the slank away.

1380
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: He hit it and immediately jumped, ran off ten fifteen yards,

1381
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: stopped really yeah, looked back one time and then slunk

1382
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: a laugh, And then after that I just melted down

1383
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: because then I realized that was the big brow buck.

1384
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: The big brow buck was the buck that I got

1385
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: on camera in September August, the biggest deer we've seen

1386
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: in the farm, really really really cool deer. He has

1387
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: um he was the obviously most mature buck that we

1388
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: had seen yet huge body. Um. I remember, we we

1389
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: got the picture like that's a no brainer. That's the

1390
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: only real one we got that wasn't them, and then

1391
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: he has this really unique like at least twelve inch

1392
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: brow time, just huge brow time. Um, so really really

1393
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: really cool buck. And he was the one. I was like, Man,

1394
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: if there's any deer I could happen to get a

1395
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: chance that, he was the one. I would really like

1396
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: to get a chance that. And there was a twenty

1397
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: yards and I couldn't shoot him, and he bounces off

1398
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: and and that was it. So I was, you know,

1399
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: he had that these moments, especially in Michigan. An opportunity

1400
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: to mature buck is so so so rare. An opportunity

1401
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: to mature buck like that in Michigan is is infinitely

1402
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: more rare. Um to have that right there in your

1403
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: hands after hours, so many hours, miss is you know,

1404
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: I've been going aft for quite a long time here

1405
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: in Michigan for I don't know if that was like

1406
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: the tenth day in arrow or something like that, that

1407
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 1: I've been hunting um in the rut and um. To

1408
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: have it right there and not have to come together

1409
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: it was a little frustrating, even like it doesn't even

1410
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: need to be big huge giants, man, because I had

1411
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: like a like I loosed an arrow I don't know.

1412
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: It's like a eight point, you know, like a little

1413
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: like a two and a half year old type eight

1414
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: point buck. But this trip like like a screw up

1415
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: for me. And it's like all of a sudden, this

1416
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: there he is, out of nowhere, no sound, nothing like.

1417
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: There he is, and he's gonna be gone in no time.

1418
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: And I have a great shooting window. And he stopped,

1419
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 1: and I go to drawback, so I'm ready when he

1420
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: hits the shooting window, and if I need to, I'm

1421
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: gonna say something to stop him. Even though you said

1422
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: that with these bocks don't do that. We did have

1423
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: a phone call before this night. We talked about it

1424
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: right how they jumped the string, marks saying, there's so

1425
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 1: like they're too high strung and too nervous all the time,

1426
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,879
Speaker 1: and when you stop him with a with a grunt,

1427
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: they stense up so bad that when they hear the string,

1428
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna bolt. They're gonna jump the string. So you

1429
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: don't like to alert them if you don't have to. Yeah, well,

1430
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: I go to drawback and not go to a drawback

1431
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: so that I'm ready for the lane when it's a

1432
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: nice big shooting lane. But he stopped shy the lane,

1433
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: and as I'm looking, I realized, oh wow, there's actually

1434
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: like most of his rib cage is actually open. And

1435
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 1: I become so fixated on the fact that like, what

1436
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: are the chances and and can you do this? And

1437
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you can and should you ensure it's open?

1438
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like running this in my head and and

1439
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: as I'm like, as my brain is sending the signal

1440
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: to to hit the release, he steps but I still

1441
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: like hit the release, and I and and like reviewing

1442
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: my head, I almost had the desire like reach back

1443
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: and grab my arrow, but he stepped in lunge, like

1444
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: stepped or was already like stepping, like he's scared. He

1445
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: saw me pull back and like freaked them lifted up

1446
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: and stepped, and then his step as the as I'm

1447
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: releasing the movement, his step turns into a leap and

1448
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: it was gone for the arrow. It's amazing how quick

1449
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 1: they can drop. Dude, this is one of those old

1450
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: crazy ones. This is the teenager. So how did you

1451
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: feel after that missed opportunity? Like, how do you take that? Well?

1452
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: At first I felt pretty sick because I'm afraid I

1453
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: hit it. Yeah, but we have, you know, one of

1454
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: the luxuries we have. We had two luxuries, one a

1455
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: camera so you can review, and to snow. So I

1456
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: waited a while and got down and followed his tracks

1457
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: for long ways not to drop of blood, and then

1458
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: I catch up to him chasing a dough. Yeah, and

1459
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: then went back. We watched the footage a ton of

1460
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: times more and you it's not there. And I couldn't

1461
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: find the air because I went into snowy high grass.

1462
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: But like I said, I tracked. I tracked him for

1463
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards. How based off the film, how

1464
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: much do you think he dropped? He doesn't drop. He

1465
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: goes forward because he was already going forward. But you

1466
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: don't think he went down. I know exactly what Tom about,

1467
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 1: but no, he doesn't seem to go down. He seems

1468
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: to go forward. He was already getting He was already

1469
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: getting going. And I even like, as my arrows leaving,

1470
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm saying, like what do you oh? Chris?

1471
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: And I reviewed it too, I would say for sure

1472
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: that he did the classic ductor ductor strange. You felt

1473
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 1: he went down more than forward, Yeah, because when they

1474
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: before they can go forward to to make that they

1475
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: bring up, they have to load their legs and the

1476
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: what looks like a duck is when they load their

1477
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: legs and they're loading their lowering to basically get their

1478
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: legs into us to a compressed spring so they can

1479
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: then push off rather than you guys sit here having

1480
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: like knowing glances. Ah, we're talking about this. He was

1481
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: already stepping forward. No, he was. He was walking. So

1482
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: he was walking forward as you released. When he heard

1483
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: your string, your bow go off, he did what's called

1484
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: ducking the string where he crunches his legs underneath him,

1485
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: his body drops and then he and then he goes forward. Okay,

1486
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: where were we remarked, Um, we're just talking about how

1487
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: we both had our opportunity to slip through our fingers

1488
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: like that. I can be frustrating, super frustrating man. So yeah,

1489
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: I spun the camera over to Mark. After that buck

1490
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: hit the wall and ran off. It was a day.

1491
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: It's twenty five degrees and he's shaken like a leaf. Yeah,

1492
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: And I asked, I was like, are you cold or

1493
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like? No, man, that buck tore me up.

1494
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: It was he was shaken in his boots like full

1495
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:21,440
Speaker 1: of emotion. Obviously big, big opportunity slipped through his fingers.

1496
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: But I was upset and excited and all that kind

1497
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know, it was that would have I mean, well,

1498
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: it was the best buck on this property. And if

1499
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: we're talking, I've I've killed mature box in Michigan, but

1500
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: that for sure would have been the biggest buck I've

1501
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: ever would have gotten a shot at in Michigan. So

1502
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: it was it's a really big deal for the state. Um.

1503
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 1: So that was an opportunity that I would have loved

1504
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: to have seen it go a different way. So I

1505
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: was just I don't know, It's just it's something when

1506
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: it's so close for some reason, it just slips through

1507
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: your fingers. It hurts just a little bit more like

1508
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: and I knew and I knew it too in my head,

1509
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: think that was my opportunity. Like you're you're, yeah, there's

1510
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: a chance, but especially here in this state, you get

1511
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe one opportunity mature buck, even if you hunt really

1512
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: smart in most places. These most places I hunt, I

1513
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: don't hunt. This is an abnormally good property for me, um,

1514
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: But most years you've got that one chance. And if

1515
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: that one chance doesn't go the way that you want

1516
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: to you're kind of s ol so I was like,

1517
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: that was it? And you were so so close twenty

1518
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: yards Uh. Two observations. One was Ridge pounders. But it's interesting,

1519
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: is it? You know you're up here in the right knocks.

1520
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: There's so much dear movie. You're having all these like

1521
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: adrenaline moments, and Ridge was noticing. And then and once

1522
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: you brought this up, I realized it's true adrenaline moments. Uh.

1523
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Make it that you get cold on the come down? Yeah,

1524
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: you feel your body temperature drop in the minutes after

1525
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: adrenaline rushes. Yeah, which if you'd asked me prior, if

1526
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: you without thinking about it, if you'd asked me, I'd

1527
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: be like, I'm guessing that it makes you feel hotter

1528
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: now when I like when it's real cold and you're

1529
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: camping and you gotta go take a growler. My brother

1530
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: used just call it taking the heater because he'd always

1531
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: mysteriously come away feeling warmer, like just the activity or something.

1532
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: You know. He'd be like cold relief. Yeah, and he'd

1533
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: go dig a hole and come back and be like, dude,

1534
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm warmed up. I don't know why. It doesn't make

1535
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: sense if I got warmed up. But having a bucking

1536
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: counter or just a deer encounter, even just like something

1537
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: exciting happened. Five minutes later, you realize you got cold.

1538
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I'd be shivering. I'd be fine before a big buck

1539
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: would come in close, and then as soon as he

1540
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: walks away, then I'd start shivering. I'm like, wait, what,

1541
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: but it's nothing's changed, feel a chill. As the adrenaline

1542
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: goes away, it leaves you feeling a chill. Uh. My

1543
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: other observations this and this is harder articulate, harder to articulate. Uh.

1544
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: I spent a great many years lusting for and trying

1545
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: to figure out and crack the code on how to

1546
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: get how to just like locate big mule deer, you know,

1547
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: and it took a long time to start. A lot

1548
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: of it was location, but also just strategy, um like

1549
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: how to figure it out? For for years, we just

1550
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: walk hunted, walked likely territory, thinking you'd kick him up,

1551
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: like they're just like how we went about it, just

1552
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: like you'd kick him up, right. And over time I

1553
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: learned like, uh that not just that you need to

1554
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: sit and observe, like where are you sitting observing? When

1555
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: you sitting observe and what you're actually looking for and

1556
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: all that, and it's you know, gradually like finding nicer ones.

1557
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: But the the years of frustration around it made me

1558
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: want to learn it more and more and more. A

1559
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: weird thing. I think it's because I have a long

1560
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: background of what we thought we were serious deer hunters,

1561
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: but we didn't do the stuff that you do, but

1562
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: we felt like we were serious deer hunters from the time,

1563
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, for a good decade I did that between

1564
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: becoming old enough to legally hunt and then moving away

1565
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: from the Midwest. Um, like that's what we did and

1566
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: thought we were, you know, into it. But um, I

1567
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I totally respect him, but I just don't,

1568
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: like I'm not getting where I feel the lust form. Yeah, no,

1569
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I think they're so hard,

1570
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: but I just don't feel the lust. I think you

1571
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: just haven't. This is too much of you were dropped

1572
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: into a thing. You're just kind of along for the

1573
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: ride here right now. I think that, at least for me,

1574
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: what gives me this like insatiabill craving to keep learning

1575
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 1: about these animals and hunt them and try to figure

1576
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: them out. Is the chess match element of it, the

1577
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: the just the constant tinkering and rethinking and observing and

1578
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: adjusting and learning more. And that's something that in this situation,

1579
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, you showed up to new property, we're kind

1580
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: of saying, well, try this, try this, try this. I

1581
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 1: think that if you had to move back to Michigan

1582
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: for a year or something like that, and you had

1583
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: to dive in and fare all the stuff out, you

1584
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: start get lost. I think you get lusty when you

1585
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: start dating to that start putting that puzzles together for yourself.

1586
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: That's when things start getting really really interesting. And this

1587
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: is an interesting scenario here because um, you know, I'm

1588
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,560
Speaker 1: learning it too, and and and you're learning it and

1589
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: and guy, you're learning it into a degree. And this

1590
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: is kind of the first year this property is being

1591
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: hunted in this kind of way, so's lots of new elements.

1592
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Were kind of figuring things out as we go. Um.

1593
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we it a lot just this week. UM,

1594
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff I already know I wanted to

1595
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: do differently next time around. Um, but all those mistakes

1596
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: that in the moment are like a painful mistake or

1597
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: something that just reinvigorates and re excites me for well,

1598
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: I want to do this differently, and I wanna do

1599
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: this differently. I try that differently, and I think already

1600
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I I'm I was telling you the other night, Like

1601
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my bed at night for half hour

1602
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: to an hour look at maps and thinking about how

1603
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: we shouldn't move to camera there, we should move a

1604
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: stand there, and we should get it back in there,

1605
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: because I think that these mature white tailed deer um,

1606
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: they don't live in the most rugged, rough country. They

1607
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: don't get the biggest antlers of any ungulate. They don't um.

1608
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: They're not gonna put as much meat in the freezer

1609
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: as a moose. They're not gonna take you to a

1610
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: mountain peak like a mountain goat. But I don't think

1611
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: there's a more savvy, weary, tricky smart critter out there

1612
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: than a mature whitetail buck. Like they deal with a

1613
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: whole lot of humans, and these deer that make it

1614
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: to that age are just survivors. And to consistently get

1615
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: on them and to learn them and be in a

1616
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: position to sometimes get a shot at you like that

1617
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: requires a lot of mind power, Like thinking and that

1618
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: just gets me. I see it get you. I love

1619
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: it that it gets you. And and and I'm not

1620
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: like down on it, just like it just uh yeah,

1621
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you have a good time? Phenomenal time?

1622
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel really bad a lot of stuff. You feel bad.

1623
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: I feel really bad that like you just didn't you

1624
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot of him. I mean you did

1625
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: get a shot of one, but I just felt like

1626
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: I let you down. Who cares? I had a phenomenal time,

1627
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: a great time, um, and I loved every second of it.

1628
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: But I don't like, uh yeah, man, I'm just I

1629
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: just like this meal deer and stuff like that. This

1630
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: is I get that, you know, I love it. I

1631
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: would do it all the time. But I think for me,

1632
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: it's I think for me that i've that that a

1633
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: thing that like some kind of strength that I have

1634
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: in hunting is just um like can just go and

1635
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: go and go. And sometimes it's a hindrance, but sometimes

1636
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: it's the strength. It's like going, going going. I'd like

1637
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 1: to sit and just watch and watch and watch and

1638
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: and like be out and and I and I think

1639
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: that I struggle. I think that I I struggle a

1640
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: little bit with them. The stationary, the very stationary aspect,

1641
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: because even if you're sitting there glass and from me

1642
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: older your glass and for cousi or whatever you're doing,

1643
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: and you're in one spot, there's there's like this kinetic

1644
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: energy that builds because you know that all of a

1645
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: sudden there's gonna be your chance and you're gonna go,

1646
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: even if you wait all day. You might wait all day,

1647
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: but there's still this idea that like, go time, now,

1648
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. And to be strapped into that tree

1649
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: watching things and it would never work to go after him.

1650
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 1: They're just not gonna put up with that. But watching

1651
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: things and feeling that and it's going the wrong direction,

1652
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: and you're like, you don't have that that, you don't

1653
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: have that um, that autonomy, or you don't have that

1654
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: a lack of control. You can't make it move the agents,

1655
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 1: you don't have the agency to and it like, really,

1656
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'd have to get

1657
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: better at it, you know, I'd have to get better

1658
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 1: at it. I used to not have the ability, like

1659
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: what I was sawing about earlier, trying to learn how

1660
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: to kill Multier. I didn't have the ability at the time.

1661
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 1: If you just said, oh, the key to kill muliteer

1662
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: is sitting and observing, I wouldn't have had it in me.

1663
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: I developed it. I would have to develop the ability

1664
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: to sitting these damn trees. I think I wind up

1665
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: cursing the tree. I don't wind up loving the tree.

1666
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 1: I get that. It's like, it's like I feel like

1667
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm chained to it. You know that if you had

1668
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: sat in that same tree that you sat when you

1669
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: had those two encounters described, you would have had another

1670
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: nice big buck in front of this morning. You know

1671
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: why he was there because he weren't there because I

1672
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: wasn't there exactly. That's the funny thing like hunting this

1673
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: stuff now, Like you'd be like, oh, a big buck

1674
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 1: passed by that tree. Stand like the big buck pass

1675
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: that tree stancause you're not in it. It's not like

1676
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: he would have been. It's not like you would have

1677
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: been there anyway. Yeah, it can be frustrating. Yeah, I

1678
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 1: do feel like the interesting thing about a Western style

1679
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: hunt is that a lot of the actual hunting is

1680
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: the hunt is happening right then, right The decisions you're

1681
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: making that are going to impact that hunt are happening

1682
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: right now. It's like do I go up that ridge

1683
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 1: or that ridge, or do we make the stock now

1684
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: or do we wait? Many times, the actions that dictate

1685
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 1: the success or failure of a white tail hunt are

1686
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: not the actions taken right now as that deers in

1687
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: front of you. It's the actions you took two months

1688
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: ago or four months ago, when you made the decision

1689
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: to put a stand here, when you thought through all

1690
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the things, all the assumptions you have about a deer,

1691
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: you think through all the behaviors that are gonna happen. No, No,

1692
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: not November eight, all that stuff that's leading to what

1693
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: you're seeing on November eight. The reason that happens because

1694
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 1: the decisions made on August first, and what limbs to cut,

1695
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: what limbs not to cut, which trails coming through here?

1696
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Why did I want to access the tree stand from

1697
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: this way and exit that way? Um? So, so much

1698
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: of the hunt actually takes place many many, many weeks beforehand,

1699
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: because the hunt really is in setting up the ambush location.

1700
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: We have. The decisions we can make now in the moment,

1701
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 1: are do we hunt A or B or C or

1702
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: do it which place? For the what we have today?

1703
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: And then how you actually conduct yourself in the tree.

1704
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: But a big piece of the hunt you missed out on. UM,

1705
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: So that can I can. I would imagine that maybe

1706
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: that might um change your experience a little bit too. Yeah. Uh.

1707
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: A reason I like to hunt turkey so much is

1708
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: because it's so responsive, physically responsive. Yeah, he does this,

1709
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: you do that, he does this, micro movements little, it's

1710
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: just like I like it. Speaking of turkeys, we called

1711
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of deer this week. They were very responsive,

1712
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: called lunch your tonight. Well he did, called in a

1713
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: bunch of doughs. They didn't want to leave. Why didn't

1714
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: you shoot it, doll? Yeah, I just didn't. Man. We

1715
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of opportunities to shoot at doughs, a

1716
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: lot of them. I don't know why. That's a good question.

1717
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: I wanted the same thing, just because we were kind

1718
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: of like hunting bucks. And I'm not hurting for meat.

1719
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: I'm sitting pretty good. Actually, if I was meat, Christis,

1720
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole different situation. Yeah, we

1721
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: would have solved that problem quick. All right, man, thanks

1722
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: for coming out and chasing white tails. I'll come to

1723
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: it again. I hope it. I hope it goes a

1724
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: little different. I had a great time. Man, I don't

1725
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: care if I got one. I honestly don't care. Good

1726
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: if you could like probe into my brain and see

1727
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: if I'm telling the truth or not, I'd be telling

1728
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: the truth, all right. I really don't give a ship

1729
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: all right, good? Yeah, thanks for sharing. It was fun

1730
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: to listen to you all week, learn and learn a

1731
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: lot from you. Well. Thank you to the two Guy

1732
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: and Matt for allowing us to to hunt this location

1733
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: and sure what you guys to come back. It was

1734
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 1: a good time. Do that turkey prayer again. We heard

1735
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 1: that a whole bunch. They didn't. We found her. We

1736
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: had turkeys up close. And that's the thing I remember

1737
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 1: that you don't realize how much noise they make. They're

1738
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: all making noise all the time. When you get that

1739
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: close to them, they're cool man getting in their winter flaw. Yeah,

1740
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: we're ten from him, and they didn't care about us

1741
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: all making noise. We were moving. I was like filming

1742
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: them moving. They were like, I don't care, bro, we're

1743
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: eating corn. I think of you have said something to him.

1744
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,799
Speaker 1: They had to move, yeah, And I was like, eight turks,

1745
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: you guys need to get a Turkey tag next year.

1746
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: Put in from oh Man today, I was really regretting

1747
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I have more, Lauren, you got any final thoughts? Man?

1748
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: Just thanks for having me along. I learned a lot

1749
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 1: from Mark. Sitting in tree stands forty eight hours. It's

1750
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: a good time. I was definitely a part of the hunt. Yeah,

1751
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:39,560
Speaker 1: not just here to take pictures, not just here chasing dollars.

1752
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: He lost dollars actually, yeah lost? Oh yes, that cut

1753
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: into the bottom line. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. You know, obviously,

1754
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: sitting in the tree that long is not anyone's favorite thing.

1755
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it maybe it's Mark's favorite thing. I admire it.

1756
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: I admire it. Man, sitting in a tree like that

1757
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: for that long, it's tough. I think it comes with

1758
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: age to the ability to not necessarily the ability, but

1759
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: just the just the downright appreciation of it. It only

1760
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: comes with age of sitting there for a long time

1761
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: just smelling the roses. It only comes with with a

1762
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: long you know you're never gonna meet at five year old.

1763
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, I disagree, you do, yeah, yeah,

1764
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I disagree to alright, eighteen whatever the cut off data

1765
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: cut off ages. Yeah, there's there is an age. I

1766
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: just think, if you tore up with it enough, you'll

1767
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: sit all that. If you love it enough, you'll do it.

1768
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 1: So there's like, so you'll sit all day, but will

1769
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: you enjoy it? That is different? Probably. I think that

1770
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: even even the thirty one year old me, sometimes it's like, God,

1771
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: why aren't they moving? Why isn't this happening? Exactly? And

1772
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I just think for me at forty now of it

1773
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 1: just in the last few years sort of been like,

1774
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 1: you know what, what else? What the else? Is actually better?

1775
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah than just sitting here and why and waiting for

1776
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: the next woodpecker to come by or the next chickadee

1777
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 1: to come by or whatever. Yeah, it is a rare

1778
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to just slow down and embrace Oh it's not

1779
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: existing thing. Yeah, it's easy to get caught up in

1780
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 1: everything else. My brother hunts by himself. He's a few

1781
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: years older me, so I don't know what the age part.

1782
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: He hunts by himself, and he hunts by himself in

1783
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: the mountains, bow hunting for elk. And he said that

1784
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: every day it's part of his day to talk himself

1785
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: out of going home mhm. Because he hates it, hates

1786
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: it and has every day talk himself out of quitn

1787
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 1: What is he hating the grind of it? Yeah? I

1788
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: get that, but he likes in the elks so much.

1789
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: In the end, it's worth it. But he says, every

1790
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 1: day I gotta just be like, you can't just don't

1791
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: let yourself. You can't go home. I don't give in.

1792
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Don't let yourself go home. I have moments like that

1793
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: every day, doing these all day sets too. It's so

1794
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: much of of hunting. The rut in particular is like

1795
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: is mental. It's mental toughness. So every year leading is

1796
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the point I have like a little self pep talk.

1797
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: It is all about mentally being in it. Are you

1798
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 1: gonna grind it out? Are you going to simply make

1799
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: the decision that no matter what goes wrong, no matter

1800
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: how tired you are every morning, every morning you wake

1801
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 1: up at four or four or thirty or whatever, He's like, jeez,

1802
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: all I wanna do is hit snooze and keep sleeping.

1803
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: But are you going to dedicate yourself to say no,

1804
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give into that. You're gonna go

1805
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: out there, You're gonna do what you know you need

1806
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: to do. You're in a tough adout you're in a

1807
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's just every single year when I look

1808
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: at the rut, we kind of call the white tail

1809
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Worls kind of the rut marathon, because there's like two

1810
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: to three weeks where everyone who really loves of stuff,

1811
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: he's using all the vacation time or whatever. I'm sitting

1812
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: in the tree all day for two weeks straight or whatever.

1813
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: And that definitely wears on you mentally and physically, and um,

1814
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: and there's something to be said about coming out of that,

1815
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: and you can look back and it is it's not

1816
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: like climbing a mountain physically, it's not that kind of

1817
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: physical challenge, but it's a mental challenge. And that I

1818
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 1: was telling Lauren today, like, as long as I come

1819
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: out of Hunt like this, knowing that I gave it

1820
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: everything I could, Like I didn't leave anything on the field,

1821
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: or I left it on the field, I'm not I'm

1822
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:34,599
Speaker 1: not in any way sports sports, sport ball, analogy forest you, Um,

1823
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: you don't cut any corners. If if as long as

1824
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: I can know that in my head, I can drive

1825
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: home tonight or tomorrow morning feel okay about the song.

1826
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that gives people

1827
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: discipline in all aspects. This isn't just hunting advice. But

1828
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've starting to think gives

1829
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: people discipline is it comes as much from it comes

1830
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: as much from self hatred and self loathing as it

1831
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 1: does any kind of of for something in particular, because

1832
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 1: what you wounded, what you oftentimes wind up getting driven by,

1833
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: is hatred for the version of yourself that would quit.

1834
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: So it's not that you love the woodpeckers and chicken

1835
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 1: ea so much, and you do. I'm sure everyone does,

1836
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 1: or you know, anyone that gets into this game does,

1837
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: but it winds up being that you are like, I

1838
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: recognize that the smart thing to do would be be

1839
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: able to sit here all day or stay out overnight

1840
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: right now, or like sit up on this hill and

1841
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: keep glassing, or you name it, take one more cast right,

1842
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: go over the next hill and do one more shot gobble.

1843
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 1: You're like, I recognize that that's the way to be

1844
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: successful at this thing that I care about, And I

1845
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: hate myself for wanting to do otherwise other than what

1846
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: I recognized to be the best thing. And you're motivated

1847
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 1: by You're you're motivated by that as much as you

1848
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: are by uh, the positive end of things. I hear

1849
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: this from a lot of people. I have it, and

1850
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 1: my brother has it. Yeah, even like writing a book,

1851
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: you know, like I I hate the guy inside of

1852
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: me that wouldn't finish this. To Yanny's point earlier about

1853
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: how this might change with age, have you seen that

1854
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 1: change with age? Do you feel that way less than

1855
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: you used to or is it still just just as much.

1856
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: It's only different now because I recognize it more. I

1857
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: used to just be like driven to do some things,

1858
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: but I didn't really think about it very much, you know,

1859
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 1: Like here, here's here's an example. Uh, when I was

1860
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: brought up. My mother still lives in the house I

1861
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: was brought up in, and my room was on the

1862
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: second floor of a house and that overlook the lake,

1863
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and there was these large oaks still are large um

1864
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: oaks in the backyard between my bedroom window in the lake.

1865
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: And I knew my mornings that we were supposed to

1866
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: go bolt wake up and go bowl hunting early in

1867
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: the morning. Um, I knew that it feels super rain

1868
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,600
Speaker 1: and rainy and super wendy. We probably wouldn't go. And

1869
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I would wake up and I would look out and

1870
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 1: would hope to see tons of rain and the limbs

1871
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 1: just going nuts because it meant we didn't have to go,

1872
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: And how guilty I would feel for hoping to see that. Yeah,

1873
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 1: this is the guilt, ship man. The self loathing and

1874
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: the guilt is a powerful, powerful force in life for me. Yeah,

1875
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. And Quentin hunting or quit and fishing

1876
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. There. Day I took my daughter,

1877
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: my five year old daughter, We're all duck hunt and

1878
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: she's crying. She's laying inner waiters on the bank of

1879
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 1: a pond, crying. And there was a real part of

1880
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 1: me that like that. There's a real part of me

1881
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: that wanted to push against that very heavily. And I

1882
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: let her, made her do that for quite a while,

1883
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: because in the end, when she's my age, I think

1884
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: that's just gonna do her a lot more. That's gonna

1885
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 1: do a lot more for her than the other than

1886
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: anything else you could have done. Not I don't want

1887
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: to be sound statistic, and it probably does no I

1888
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: understand her getting She's definitely gonna love duck hunt. You

1889
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: know what, I spent most of my childhood cryings. My

1890
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: feet were cold, man, Not most of it but not

1891
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: just I don't want exaggerate. I spent a lot of

1892
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: days crying because I was cold to no one caring. No, man,

1893
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: I wonder about that too those days too, huh. But

1894
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: I look back on it now and I go, why

1895
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: did I become a hunter? Because I was yelled at

1896
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: for my nose running and sniffling my nose and I

1897
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: was cold. I was yelled at for this, that and

1898
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: the other, and it was just something inside of me

1899
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,719
Speaker 1: that just like, like, no matter how much that was shitty,

1900
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: there was some other part, the chicken eas and the

1901
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: woodpeckers that I loved, and it kept me out there.

1902
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: But I feel like I've heard just as many stories

1903
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: now because I pay attention to it about raising kids

1904
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: in the outdoors and the kids are like fuck that.

1905
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: I just got pushed and pushed and pushed, and I'm

1906
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 1: not really into hunting. I think you got to weed

1907
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: them out. Those are the ones that gotta be weeded out.

1908
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: Maybe Rich you got any final thoughts? Um, Yeah, I do. Well,

1909
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: it's more of a question. I had a bunch and

1910
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: then I kind of got that was a good little comment. Man.

1911
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I got kind of caught up in it. Um, One

1912
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 1: of the questions that I had earlier was like, do

1913
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: you think I don't know if mastery is the white word,

1914
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: but when you mark when you were saying that, like

1915
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 1: you got all these ideas about like what to do

1916
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: next and the next hunt, and you're like a really

1917
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: good white tail hunter, do you, like, do you feel

1918
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: like you'll ever get to a point where you like

1919
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: are mastering this kind of hunting? And I like that

1920
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: can't that's not like, you know, there's there's so many

1921
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 1: variables when it comes to animals that it's like that's

1922
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: not really like a fair word. But do you think

1923
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: you'll get to the point where you just like have

1924
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: it just like you'll know where something's gonna be when?

1925
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Or I think that anyone who is really really good

1926
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 1: at white tail hunting will always believe that they have

1927
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: not yet mastered it, because I think that's a good answer, dude.

1928
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I think that the I think you're constantly learning it

1929
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 1: isn't always evolving. I keep saying chess match, but it is.

1930
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: There's so many new lessons learned I get every single year.

1931
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly people achieve levels of consistent quote unquote

1932
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 1: success that are on a different level than a lot

1933
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:09,560
Speaker 1: of people. Um, but there's always more and that's the

1934
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: fun of it. That's why I think that we keep

1935
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: coming back to your in your near out never it's

1936
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: never the same. I love that. Yeah, you're nineteen. More

1937
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: things you wanted to bring up? No, uh no, oh,

1938
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: the age thing about sitting in a tree, I would

1939
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: say that I did have a thought today or past

1940
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,600
Speaker 1: couple of days that if the pressure of filming and

1941
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: not screwing up a hunt because of the filming presence,

1942
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Like if if I was just sitting in a tree

1943
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 1: for twelve hours, I think I'd be into it, Like

1944
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be bombed distressed. You'd like it, I'd like it.

1945
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: Hold you, will you take me up on the hunt invitation?

1946
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: Which at your place? Yeah? Definitely, dude, definitely. All right.

1947
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I have a new freezer that I don't have anything

1948
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: that's empty. Alright, I have a whole fridge that has

1949
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 1: nothing in it. Then you gotta make a trip up

1950
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: to Michigan. I'll do it. I'll do it. Let's do it, Seth.

1951
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: Have you said anything yet? Yeah? Early, okay? Um, I

1952
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: shot my first bucket twelve o'clock noon, and I just

1953
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:29,719
Speaker 1: remember not wanting to be there. And I was twelve

1954
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 1: years old, but now what time? And you have been

1955
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 1: up there since, David, Yes, since it was it was

1956
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 1: an all day sit. So you were sitting till noon

1957
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: at twelve years of age because my dad was like,

1958
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 1: you're sitting all day and and that was the last,

1959
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: very last day of the rifle season and you were

1960
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: a hunter trapper. Yeah, I could. I love sitting all

1961
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 1: day now seven. Yeah, so you got it's a little

1962
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 1: a little tough to do, like first week of the season.

1963
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't see. So you you

1964
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:13,600
Speaker 1: came from school hard knockers. Yeah, you like it. I

1965
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 1: love it. You're glad now, I'm glad. Now I'd do

1966
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: the same with my kids if I ever do that.

1967
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 1: That's what That's what you wind up struggling with, man,

1968
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 1: because there was so much stuff that I hate it

1969
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: about my dad. And the older I get, the more

1970
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I kind of see now where he

1971
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 1: was coming from, A kind of see where he's coming from.

1972
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 1: And one of the biggest things he had is he

1973
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: was not interested in being friends with his kids. And

1974
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: I used to be just baffled by that. And now

1975
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I kind of see what you're getting at.

1976
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of see because he's dead anyway. Yeah, he's like,

1977
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. I think you're doing to be good

1978
01:53:54,640 --> 01:54:00,840
Speaker 1: friends of me, couple be friends with your friends. That's yeah, Mark,

1979
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: any concluders, Um, you know, I'm lacking any kind of

1980
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: terribly poignant concluder today except for I'm really glad you

1981
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 1: guys got to come up here and do this when

1982
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: it was fun to get to share my passion with

1983
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit um and you know, teach

1984
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: you guys about sund control, which I appreciate the effort,

1985
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: but it was it was subpar. Still, I saw you

1986
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 1: saw some major I saw some major infractions. Yeah, well,

1987
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: he's okay, can we bring this up next time we

1988
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 1: talk major infractions? You pay for him, and you pay

1989
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: for him, and Mark is Mark has a lot of

1990
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 1: things he does, and Mark admits I don't know, uh

1991
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: what they all work. But if I do all of

1992
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: them and it makes a ten percent chance, I'll just

1993
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: keep doing them all. Yeah, that's that's a big enough Yeah, exactly,

1994
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: that's enough help. I was skeptical at the beginning of

1995
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: the week. Now after seeing all these deer hit that wall.

1996
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it, dude. Then we had I

1997
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: was going to okay. So we had a number of

1998
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 1: different incidents where we got winded, even though I was

1999
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: doing a lot of things that I try to do.

2000
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: But it was definitely a compromise scent control regimen, just

2001
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect given all the different things going on.

2002
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 1: Twice as much smell, twice as much smell. Um, I'm

2003
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 1: just a really smelly guy. I think that was it.

2004
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 1: Lauren might be a smelly guy wears very loud jackets.

2005
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Uh no, but you're not gonna get away with with

2006
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 1: your sent all the time. But just last week I

2007
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 1: had a five and a half year buck go down

2008
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: wind of me and not hit a wall at all.

2009
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: So sometimes taking all of these precautions does help. Um,

2010
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it does, but I'm willing to

2011
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 1: do it all the time to get those few times

2012
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: where it does. I'm all for it, dude. Nothing you're doing,

2013
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing you're doing about saying control that. That was

2014
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 1: like something I hadn't heard of or I mean it's

2015
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 1: all like pretty much industry not industry standard, but like

2016
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 1: you don't have like what you don't have weird like

2017
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: magical things you think. No, I mean you have things

2018
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: that like are like very practical things you don't have, Like, um,

2019
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I find that if I, you know, eat celery three

2020
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 1: days before and then do a cleanse, you know, it's

2021
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: just good stuff. Like it's very similar to what fur

2022
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 1: trappers would do fox trappers. I was surprised, though, no

2023
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 1: sense of any sort you're saying like a cover cent

2024
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: or yeah or attract incent. No. It's illegal though now

2025
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 1: in Michigan to use any kind of natural um yearine

2026
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 1: based center or anything. So that's I never used them before.

2027
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 1: But really you can't buy what you can. You can

2028
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 1: you can, and I think still can't use it because

2029
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 1: of chronic wasting disease. Really can I get my concluding thought?

2030
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 1: My concluding thought is if one wanted to go find

2031
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of um awesome merchandise, mediator podcast stuff, soon

2032
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: to be wired to hunt merchandise, all kinds of T shirts, Um,

2033
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: your blout shirt. We got some amazing other new stuff

2034
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 1: coming out, and then a uh and if you've been

2035
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 1: watching the new episodes of the show on Netflix and

2036
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 1: you see like cool ship there first light apparel. We

2037
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 1: have all this stuff for sale. Um, go to the

2038
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 1: meater dot com and going to the store and check

2039
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 1: it out. That's my first concluder. Second concluded was I

2040
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty good deep fried turkey, very good

2041
01:57:54,720 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 1: deep fried turkey, deep fried turkey nuggets. Where's that turkey from?

2042
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 1: He's wild turkey There two rests, two lobes like that man,

2043
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: two lobes. Deep fried turkey chunks, hard to beat, sweet

2044
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 1: sweet chili sauce, birthday Birthday dinner A hundred and seventy.

2045
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 1: That's why you can make that turkey calls huhdy halfa

2046
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:37,200
Speaker 1: to ninety six halfway. That's a rough way to position

2047
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: oldest guy in the room. That's it. Does that turkey

2048
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: purer again? I've got my hair. Just give me one

2049
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: more turkey purer. I love that ship. Thanks for asking,

2050
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 1: so you never get to me, big, big room of people. UM.

2051
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking, if you wanted to become better white

2052
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 1: tele deer hunter, you should go check out Wired to

2053
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 1: Hunt because anything anything you ever want to know about

2054
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 1: white tales and more, it's all there. That's why I

2055
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: wanted to bring I meant to bring that up. I'm

2056
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up because Mark talks about this

2057
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 1: ship all the time. Yes, and all that stuff now

2058
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 1: is actually on the meat either dot com website though, Yanni.

2059
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 1: So you go to the media dot com and you're

2060
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: see all my new content with the word Hunt podcast

2061
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 1: is available and where you find pod The word on

2062
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: podcast is available anywhere you find podcasts. My video series

2063
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 1: is on the website and on our YouTube channel. Regular

2064
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: blog posts and the Wired Hunt merchandise is not soon

2065
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: to be available on the store. It is actually on

2066
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: the store as of right now. It is. So you

2067
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 1: got Wired Hun hats, word on t shirts and there'll

2068
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 1: be some new things come down the coome. I don't

2069
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 1: have one of those. It's where you've never given me one.

2070
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: I didn't Well, I don't know you'd be like, I

2071
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 1: feel like you should present one to me. What the hell? Mark,

2072
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: what on word to Hunt podcast? What would you say? Like,

2073
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: what percent of the time you guys talking about like

2074
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 1: white tail stuff? Oh, nineties seven percent? Three? Like one

2075
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 1: one episode of a year, I'll go on an elkhon

2076
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 1: or something one episode a year. We'll talk turkeys, um

2077
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: no merrill, marrit soul advice. Well, there's little bits of

2078
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:32,280
Speaker 1: marital advice and family advice sprinkled within each episode. Usually

2079
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 1: give me a piece of marital advice. Oh gosh, I'll

2080
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: only been married. Uh uh advice to every one. Know

2081
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: you're I got married chosen thirteen, so just over five years.

2082
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 1: Give me, yeah, my best piece of marriage rate. All right,

2083
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 1: and I stole this from someone else, but it is

2084
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,920
Speaker 1: uh piece before justice. You still have, Randy Newberg. Yeah,

2085
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 1: I told you I stole it from someone. But that's

2086
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,200
Speaker 1: the best advice I avergant. I stole my piece from

2087
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 1: be honest, what's that. It's a good one. My best

2088
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:05,200
Speaker 1: piece of merril advice. Okay, when you're fighting with the

2089
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 1: mrs or the early mister, Okay, let's say you're in

2090
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:12,560
Speaker 1: the fight. Let's say you're like you're fighting over give

2091
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:15,400
Speaker 1: me something. People fight about whether you how to load

2092
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 1: the dishwasher. Who fights about that, Steve? Yeah, well, not

2093
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 1: how to load it, but whether it should be loaded

2094
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:25,000
Speaker 1: at all. There's a book about marriage. It's called marriage.

2095
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 1: It's it's got a name. It's like it's about it's

2096
02:01:27,160 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 1: a plemt because it's like it's about marriage. It's marriage

2097
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:32,560
Speaker 1: worth it. And there's a line in the book where

2098
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the author says, marriage is an institution that makes it

2099
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 1: so you cannot load the dishwasher in the way that

2100
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 1: makes the most sense to you. The cynical right. However, Okay,

2101
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 1: let's say you're fighting about, uh, the dishwasher. Here's another

2102
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 1: example of the color of the paint that you're gonna

2103
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 1: put in the newly remold bathroom. Yeah, fighting about the

2104
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: color paint in the bathroom because you got you've always

2105
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 1: pictured in your head and it's just gonna like that white.

2106
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Everybody paints your bathroom white. And maybe it's not necessarily

2107
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 1: a fight, but it's like a heated discussion, and it's

2108
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 1: getting towards being a fight just because someone might be tired,

2109
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:18,200
Speaker 1: someone else might be thinking about hunting. You are you

2110
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 1: feeling to get the paint and you're kind of sitting

2111
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 1: there like, I think it should be white? And because

2112
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:33,120
Speaker 1: of managing your relationship, do you want to give the

2113
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 1: advice because you're the one who gave it to me? No,

2114
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 1: I I just know I just want to co host

2115
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 1: this place. He's the color comments. So you're like it

2116
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 1: should be white, you know, because that's what I that's

2117
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: what I got in my head is white and and um,

2118
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 1: your partner is so I was thinking to be blue,

2119
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: and then pretty soon you're like you're in it and

2120
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 1: you're fighting about it. Your honestest thing is you then

2121
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: need to say your break to fight for a second,

2122
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,480
Speaker 1: and you rate on a one to ten, not how

2123
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 1: much you care to win, but you rate on one

2124
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:13,840
Speaker 1: to ten how much the issue actually matters to you?

2125
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 1: And is this a verbal like you say to each other, Hey,

2126
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 1: time out, how much does this actually matter to you?

2127
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 1: Your wife? Yeah, and you say how much matter to you?

2128
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:27,040
Speaker 1: You'd be like, you know, so you just throw the

2129
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 1: number out before you even asked. You just say that's

2130
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 1: to be my wife right now. We've been using this

2131
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 1: a great effect, and I don't need to say. I'll

2132
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:38,800
Speaker 1: just say like this is this is a seven for

2133
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:42,240
Speaker 1: me man, And she's like, this is a seven for you.

2134
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 1: This is like a three for me. That means you win,

2135
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: and you wind up because I wind up being in

2136
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 1: these I wind up being in these fights with my

2137
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: wife about things that once I stop and think about it,

2138
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:01,040
Speaker 1: it's I'm fighting about things that are twos and threes

2139
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 1: because you just get so wrapped up and like that,

2140
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 1: you get so wrapped up just like winning battles very

2141
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:11,640
Speaker 1: interesting and I have in their day, like there's this

2142
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 1: there's this rug that doesn't oh it doesn't Like every

2143
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 1: kid that runs through the house gets laid up by

2144
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 1: this trip and on this ruck this like skidder across

2145
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 1: the floor and smashed into the wall. And one day

2146
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 1: like roll the rug up. My wife's like into the ruck,

2147
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 1: like I got rugs gone, and she wants the ruck back,

2148
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, this is like a way I'm

2149
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 1: going inspired to say, this is the seven or eight.

2150
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 1: This is a seven or eight on me. And she's like,

2151
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 1: it's like a one. I'm annoyed that you took my rug,

2152
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:43,400
Speaker 1: But really, when I think about it, I really don't.

2153
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:45,520
Speaker 1: It's a one. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, Bob.

2154
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 1: If you hate the rock, you hate the rug. Cool. Wow,

2155
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: that seems like a life good marriage advice. Man, it's

2156
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:58,200
Speaker 1: quite simple. I like that a lot. Noted. It's gonna

2157
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 1: get me another five more years of marriage? Can I

2158
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 1: give you one more? Um, When there's like a large

2159
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 1: decision that that needs to be made, and the decision

2160
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 1: is made of a big great bundling of interests, say

2161
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 1: buying a house. I have found my wife and I

2162
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,640
Speaker 1: have found that it works really good. If I say,

2163
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:26,360
Speaker 1: here's the parts of this that I care about. I

2164
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:29,200
Speaker 1: care about this element of this, and I care about

2165
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:36,280
Speaker 1: this element of this. You run the project. Everything that

2166
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not mentioning right now is you. But do not

2167
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 1: screw me on these two things. And then you run

2168
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 1: and go and assigning ownership of something and in clarifying like,

2169
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:55,680
Speaker 1: but you own it. But here's the deal. And this

2170
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 1: is an instance where the other person wants as much

2171
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,760
Speaker 1: ownership as possible. M hmm, yeah, and you don't want

2172
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 1: to relinquish it because you don't want to get screwed

2173
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:06,440
Speaker 1: on a couple of points. Clarify the points, and then

2174
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:08,840
Speaker 1: give the person autonomy to go do what they needed

2175
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:13,520
Speaker 1: to do. It's a big old vacation. Vacation vacage would

2176
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 1: be like, listen, man, I want to be able to spearfish.

2177
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. That's all I need to have.

2178
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 1: That's like relatively good access to some spear fishing. Other

2179
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 1: than that, I'm out Google Walt Disney World slash to

2180
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:39,840
Speaker 1: the two come together. That's good stuff. Yeah, guy, you've

2181
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:44,120
Speaker 1: been married a long time twenty three years, give me

2182
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 1: a hot marriage advice. Shut up and listen. Married to

2183
02:06:53,720 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 1: the best woman on the planet, and she's put up

2184
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 1: with a lot for me, but a lover to death.

2185
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure she trade me in, but I wouldn't trade

2186
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 1: her for nothing. And uh, yes, marriage just work. It's

2187
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 1: hard work. It's hard work. But when you truly work

2188
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:15,280
Speaker 1: at it. You know. We have kids, but we love

2189
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 1: our kids to death. But uh, we're really growing to

2190
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:25,200
Speaker 1: love each other too. No, women are awesome, awesome, you

2191
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:29,120
Speaker 1: know my sorry, I don't mean to jump on the

2192
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:34,480
Speaker 1: rest of your advice. That's just it. When before my

2193
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 1: wife and I got married, she had I can't remember,

2194
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 1: I guess it's a bridle shower or something like that.

2195
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:41,960
Speaker 1: And um, everyone was asked to write down there like

2196
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,120
Speaker 1: their best piece of advice, what marriage advice or something

2197
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:47,720
Speaker 1: on a note and you put the notes in the thing.

2198
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:49,480
Speaker 1: And then after we got married, she got to open

2199
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 1: up the box and read everybody's marital advice. And I

2200
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:56,760
Speaker 1: think I either saw some er she showed me some

2201
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:58,960
Speaker 1: of them, and she showed me what her grandma had

2202
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 1: wrote to her. And at the time when her grandmar

2203
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 1: wrote was it was very simple. It was just two words,

2204
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 1: three words um, And I thought, oh, like that was

2205
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:10,560
Speaker 1: like the laziest answer, and at the that's all I thought,

2206
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 1: But it was like I was just like a really

2207
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:15,320
Speaker 1: lazy answer. And then my wife though, took that that

2208
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:17,720
Speaker 1: little post and note and she put it on the

2209
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: picture of her grandma Grandpa and it's still in her bathroom,

2210
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 1: like studying on the counter. And now years later, I

2211
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 1: see it, like every time I happened to be in there,

2212
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:28,000
Speaker 1: I see it, and I think about it a little

2213
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,480
Speaker 1: bit more each time. And now when I look at

2214
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:31,760
Speaker 1: and I think about it, and I think about maybe

2215
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:35,640
Speaker 1: what she meant by this three words, it's very poignant

2216
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,600
Speaker 1: and it's it just simply her very best marital advice

2217
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 1: was simply giant box, No that would be good though.

2218
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:53,000
Speaker 1: It was simply love each other. Yeah, just love each

2219
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: other and all that goes into that. So I see that,

2220
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: Nollie every day, and it just it's kind of like, yeah, yeah,

2221
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:02,280
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about that with all the different decisions

2222
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:06,200
Speaker 1: you make, that is kind of the key, like just

2223
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:09,520
Speaker 1: to remind yourself too. You know what, uh, you know

2224
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 1: what I did. This is marriage advice. You know what

2225
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 1: I did. When my kids are born, for all three

2226
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:20,080
Speaker 1: of them, as I UH wrote them a big long

2227
02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: letter that explains our lives, where I think they were conceived,

2228
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:32,080
Speaker 1: what the circumstances, what our lives look like, what are

2229
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:35,000
Speaker 1: my sort of apprehensions about them coming into the world,

2230
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:38,000
Speaker 1: what are my hopes and fears for them, what's going

2231
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:42,600
Speaker 1: on in general, what their parents were like. And then

2232
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 1: I uh put my own address on them. And then

2233
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 1: on the day they were born, I dropped him so

2234
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 1: they would get postmarked, and then I took him in

2235
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: back and sealed them in my pro I think, bad,

2236
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 1: you sealed them, and I'll give them to him when

2237
02:10:02,720 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: they get married. Probably that's cool. That's amazing, big long letters.

2238
02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:14,320
Speaker 1: I I I almost would dread seeing what's in the

2239
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 1: letter from eight years ago. Well, that's how I was

2240
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna say that. Do you regret anything that you wrote

2241
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: in these letters? Or I don't want to know because

2242
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to chicken out and not give it

2243
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,640
Speaker 1: to him because they're very telling. It would be a

2244
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 1: lot better if I was dead. They're very telling, interesting

2245
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:32,360
Speaker 1: like I would want. It would be smart to read

2246
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:34,480
Speaker 1: it by yourself. Where did you get this idea? This

2247
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,920
Speaker 1: just came to you or no, I don't think I

2248
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:39,560
Speaker 1: made it up. Man, I can't remember, but I don't

2249
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:40,880
Speaker 1: think I made it up. I feel like if I

2250
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:42,680
Speaker 1: made it up, I'd be pretty proud of having made

2251
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:45,840
Speaker 1: it up. And I remember making it up. It's good.

2252
02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why you've never chicken it out about it.

2253
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, man, I got a lot of difference

2254
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:53,720
Speaker 1: between you and you eight years ago. It was so different. No,

2255
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: because they're really like they're really really telling of what

2256
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 1: who and what were eight years ago? Yeah, just like

2257
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 1: stuff like around uh we we had two kids and

2258
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:07,760
Speaker 1: that was all we wanted at the time, and we

2259
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:11,560
Speaker 1: had a third and telling someone that story. I wouldn't

2260
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:17,240
Speaker 1: tell him that story when he's eight, Like what was

2261
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:19,320
Speaker 1: going on in our lives? What led us to the decision?

2262
02:11:19,400 --> 02:11:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, just telling stuff. Thank your kids will

2263
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:24,880
Speaker 1: be smart enough to read it in the voice of

2264
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:28,840
Speaker 1: you as a late thirty year as the late thirty

2265
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:31,440
Speaker 1: year old, and not the sixty year old you'll be

2266
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:34,560
Speaker 1: when they read it. Yeah, I hope. So it feels

2267
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 1: a good letter. They're pretty good letters. I don't doubt it.

2268
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,280
Speaker 1: Put a lot of effort in writing them name letters.

2269
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 1: Is that it? That's it? Man, I got one more guy,

2270
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:52,440
Speaker 1: thanks man for making a fantastic hunting spot. Man. I

2271
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:57,320
Speaker 1: got to see a lot of deer uh activity and

2272
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:00,920
Speaker 1: and what am I trying to say? Things that they

2273
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:05,760
Speaker 1: do behavior behavior that in all my years in white

2274
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:09,240
Speaker 1: til hunt and I had never seen, yep, all kinds

2275
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:15,360
Speaker 1: of deer peeing on their tarsal glands and scrapes. I

2276
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't see you rubs happening, but no, yeah, I saw scrapes,

2277
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 1: no rubs, the licking branch seeing multiple times you guys

2278
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 1: heard a fight, you know. I got to see a

2279
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:29,840
Speaker 1: buck come up and rub its orbital gland on the

2280
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:33,520
Speaker 1: licking branch, work a scrape piste down his leg. A

2281
02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:36,240
Speaker 1: couple of minutes later, maybe more than a couple minutes later,

2282
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:41,840
Speaker 1: another buck came, didn't do his orbital gland, but worked

2283
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 1: a scrape piste down his leg, and I got two

2284
02:12:44,520 --> 02:12:46,640
Speaker 1: cup minutes later watch a doe coming camp out on

2285
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 1: that spot. Nice. That's seeing some dear type ship going on. Man. Grunting,

2286
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:57,640
Speaker 1: I bet you I heard maybe twenty grunts this week, fighting, grunting,

2287
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 1: chasing squirrels every which one. Normally when you see, I

2288
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:04,320
Speaker 1: don't care if it is November ten. In Michigan, when

2289
02:13:04,360 --> 02:13:07,560
Speaker 1: you see a deer running, you're like, oh, goddamn, no no,

2290
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:11,520
Speaker 1: but here you're like, oh, it must be a buck coming,

2291
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's running from other It's really cool.

2292
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:19,760
Speaker 1: It's really cool, like the just the wildlife habitat work

2293
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 1: here and watching it like bloom and take shape. Man,

2294
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:26,080
Speaker 1: we're just getting started, and I mean, it's been a

2295
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:28,320
Speaker 1: pleasure having you all here, and I would like to

2296
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,720
Speaker 1: know any and all. Thanks you guys. Think we might

2297
02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 1: be able to do to make things a better experience.

2298
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:37,880
Speaker 1: Cut more shooting lanes, Yeah that's yeah. Yeah, that's how

2299
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:39,680
Speaker 1: you get it killed, but you're kind of focused on

2300
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 1: getting it alive. Yeah, don't don't worry. I'll be I'll

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02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:47,800
Speaker 1: be trim and lanes here soon. Alright, everybody, thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to