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Speaker 1: Folks, it is Friday, November twenty eighth, It is Black Friday.

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Speaker 1: And did you get out in this mess today? Did

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Speaker 1: you get out and get a good deal today? And

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Speaker 1: how did it go for you? Because for us it

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Speaker 1: was pretty dark and depressing. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: We went out, we were in a good mood. We

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Speaker 1: were looking forward to this. Of course, in a word,

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Speaker 1: or maybe a couple words, how would you describe the atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: the mood of this official kickoff to the Christmas shopping season.

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Speaker 2: Intense chaos?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it was intense. Chaos is one thing. There

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Speaker 1: was an intensity to today that took me by surprise

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Speaker 1: and made me want to leave the place.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: We love Black Friday shopping, Yes, we love outlet malls. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we have combined the too. But today we took

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Speaker 3: on the juggernaut. We took on probably one of the biggest,

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Speaker 3: most well known outlet malls in the country and one

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Speaker 3: that we've gone to countless times over the years, even together,

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Speaker 3: but we've never gone to that particular outlet mall on

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Speaker 3: this particular day.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying are bad, So you think you think

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Speaker 1: we made a bad call today.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we took something we loved at a

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Speaker 3: time we loved doing it and put them together and

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Speaker 3: didn't recognize that it could be a potential disaster.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking about different things. Okay, a couple of

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Speaker 1: different things. I can deal with some traffic, sitting waiting,

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Speaker 1: long lines, crowds. I felt a mood to today that

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Speaker 1: I found no joy in anybody so us for them

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Speaker 1: all overwhelmingly there was no joy. I didn't under I

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Speaker 1: was really perpleased. I mentioned it to you all the

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Speaker 1: entire time we were there. What is what is today's different?

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Speaker 3: So we went to Woodbury Commons in harrim And, New York,

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Speaker 3: and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the stores they have, the quality of the products

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Speaker 3: they have, and the pricing they're giving it to us

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Speaker 3: for was all remarkable. You know where I found the joy, baby,

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Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. I'm listening in the folks

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Speaker 3: who were working. Really every cashier that we went up

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Speaker 3: to was actually really kind, really sweet. And I will

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Speaker 3: say we chose stores mainly that didn't have the roping

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Speaker 3: and like people weren't waiting forever to get into. We

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Speaker 3: chose places that weren't as like the high end have

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Speaker 3: to go into stores that had lines. So maybe the

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Speaker 3: people who were working at the stores we went into

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Speaker 3: were a little bit less irritated because they weren't as overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: You found joy in the people that were working there

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Speaker 1: and those who were only maybe five people you came

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Speaker 1: in contact with the rest of the time.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it wasn't just amount of crowds. I've

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Speaker 1: been around crowds, and I've been in basketball and games

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Speaker 1: and in arenas. There are crowds that people can still

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Speaker 1: be upbeat and you can feel a particular mood. The

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Speaker 1: mood amongst everybody was one not of joy, of giving,

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Speaker 1: of the season of fun. Even it was a mission

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Speaker 1: and intensity. You get out of my way, I will

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Speaker 1: run over you to get where I got to get.

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Speaker 1: There was a disregard for everything and everybody around that

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Speaker 1: shopper today in a way that I've found troubling. I've

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Speaker 1: been out. You know, I love going on Black Friday

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Speaker 1: and I love going on Christmas Eve. See the chaos

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Speaker 1: it felt like mean today?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 3: So it's so funny you were use the word mission.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly what I was going to say. People

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Speaker 3: were on a mission. And some people might have been

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Speaker 3: on a mission to check off their Christmas list, okay,

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Speaker 3: but I think we saw a lot of this. People

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Speaker 3: were on a mission to buy up all the product,

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Speaker 3: almost as a as a business, to then go home

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Speaker 3: and resell it at a higher price. People brought suitcases,

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Speaker 3: like not just like a carry on luggage, but like

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Speaker 3: multiple suitcases that you would pack and check into your

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Speaker 2: Okay, they had two of how many of that? Did

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Speaker 3: You cut all these crowds and you have all these

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Speaker 3: people carrying massive suitcases, and they are buying with intensity

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Speaker 3: and just a veracity. They're not buying gifts for themselves.

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Speaker 3: They're not thinking about cousin, you know, Stella. No, they

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Speaker 2: They were going.

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Speaker 3: Mostly to the higher end stores, and you know they're

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Speaker 3: going back home and putting this stuff up on eBay.

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Speaker 2: That's the stuff that bothers me.

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Speaker 3: I offer being a businessman or woman and living in

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Speaker 3: this capitalistic consumerism fine and profiting off of it as

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Speaker 3: your side hustle, But you take away the purpose and

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Speaker 3: the fun of this holiday when you're sitting there elbowing

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Speaker 1: Okay, that didn't cross my mind in the midst of it.

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Speaker 1: Saw fine, but that didn't cross my mind. But if

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Speaker 1: that's what they're doing, that's what they're doing. They have

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Speaker 1: the right to do that. Everybody has the right to

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Speaker 1: do everything they were doing at that place today. The

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Speaker 1: during the holiday season. I know, it just didn't feel good.

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Speaker 3: We love Woodberry Commons and we love Black Friday shopping,

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Speaker 3: so we go all the way up to do all that,

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Speaker 3: and then we came back to the city so much

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Speaker 3: it's rare that you would say that it was so

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Speaker 3: much calmer.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was so much more pleasant.

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Speaker 3: And you looked at me when we came back to

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Speaker 3: it was about I don't know, twenty percent of the

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Speaker 3: crowds that were at Woodbury Commons, and he looked at

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Speaker 3: me and he said, yeah, this is more my speed.

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Speaker 4: It was when do.

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Speaker 1: You ever go some When I was like, wow, I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to get back to New York City, so

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Speaker 1: that was where people are friendly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually that was the truth.

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Speaker 3: So on the drive out, I was like, oh, it's

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Speaker 3: so nice to get out of the city. I was

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Speaker 3: looking at the mountains because I have to say, if

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Speaker 3: you've never been to Woodbury Commons, it's in It's in Harriman,

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Speaker 3: New York. It's near a gorgeous town called New Paul's,

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Speaker 3: New York. And the scenery, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: it's actually a really really beautifully architecturally well done outlet mall,

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Speaker 3: outdoor mall, and it set and nestled around these gorgeous

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Speaker 3: It's just gorgeous, and so it's kind of it's just

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Speaker 3: a really pleasant thing to do. I've never been there

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Speaker 3: and felt more stressed being there getting back into the

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Speaker 3: like I could breathe again when I got back to

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Speaker 2: But that actually is what happened.

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Speaker 4: It was a relief.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny.

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Speaker 4: And we can tell me it's Brookville Place right the

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Speaker 4: place we go to. I think by now it's.

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Speaker 2: The gorgeous mall.

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Speaker 4: We talk about it enough.

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Speaker 1: We live in this part of the city, so this

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Speaker 1: is right up the road from us. But it was

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Speaker 1: a different scene and it was a different tone. I

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Speaker 1: just didn't expect it today. But I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the rest of you all did today. But this is

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Speaker 1: how our day started. Now, we got the girls in

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Speaker 1: the house with us. The mall opens at six am.

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Speaker 1: It's about a one hour drive from us with light traffic.

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Speaker 1: So we tell them yesterday that we're going to leave

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Speaker 1: at seven am. Now, the reaction from a nineteen and.

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Speaker 2: A twenty three year old wasn't great. They were like, what, what? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why do we have to leave at seven That's what

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Speaker 2: they asked.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we we yes, fine, we're paying for this stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get your butts in the car at seven am,

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Speaker 1: and they did, yeah, yeah, there's no problems. So we

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Speaker 1: it showed it's going to be a one hour drive.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take too long before that changed to a

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Speaker 1: one hour and thirty minute drive, and then a one

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Speaker 1: hour and forty minute drive. But here's a thing. The

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Speaker 1: added time was only robes. What with like in the

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Speaker 3: We actually didn't get into the heavy traffic until point

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Speaker 3: eight miles from Woodbury Commons, so we actually sped no

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Speaker 2: The way through. If you guys are familiar.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen eighty seven, just sail it up to Woodbury Commons

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Speaker 3: and then when you we had to take an exit

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Speaker 2: And we get to zero.

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Speaker 3: Point eight miles from Woodbury Comments. I kept saying we

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Speaker 3: But yes, we spent what thirty minutes creeping point eight miles.

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Speaker 4: Looking at them all.

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Speaker 1: Essentially we could see it for thirty minutes and couldn't

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Speaker 1: get to it. So this is how it started. So

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Speaker 1: we get out and get going. Soon as we get there,

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Speaker 1: of course, somebody has to pee and somebody needs to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so typical.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what age the kids get, it's the

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Speaker 1: when they were ten years old.

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Speaker 4: It's always the twenty three year.

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Speaker 2: Old told me she was hungry at least four times, right.

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I heard you the first three

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Speaker 1: So we get here and we get going. Now, you

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Speaker 1: and I have done a lot of Outlin mall shopping.

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Speaker 1: Today is the first time I think we had an

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Speaker 1: extended period of splitting. Yes, we had to split because

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Speaker 1: We didn't have all day to be there, so.

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Speaker 3: No, we knew that the crowds were gonna get even worse.

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Speaker 3: So we were like, we have limited time, and You're like, babe,

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Speaker 3: I gotta go my way. You gotta go your way

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Speaker 3: because and that Actually I didn't like that very much.

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Speaker 3: I actually really enjoy shopping with you, and I was

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Speaker 3: sad to not be next to you.

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Speaker 4: Oh same, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you forgot to say that, But no, no problem,

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Speaker 2: I get it. I totally believe you.

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Speaker 1: And also were bouncing around there today. And it's an

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Speaker 1: outland mall, so it's outdoor walking. It's freezing today.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, so was it not?

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Speaker 3: So the window I didn't even tell you fully, the

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Speaker 3: wind was up there. It was like twenty two. It

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Speaker 3: was and it felt twenty and it was twenty two.

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Speaker 3: I knew if I told you ahead of time, you

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Speaker 3: might cancel the trip.

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Speaker 1: I kept that to myself, Okay, So I there just

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Speaker 1: didn't find and it was worse once we bought a

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Speaker 4: I was carrying bags. You just couldn't move for the

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Speaker 1: But it was I had and you're right, I did

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Speaker 3: And we just had to put the stuff back and leave,

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Speaker 1: It all worked out. That was my That was the

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Speaker 1: And I know that in just one three hundred and

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Speaker 4: And isn't there a small business Saturday.

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Speaker 1: And yes, all this so you think you know what

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny I was reading today CNBC basically, well,

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Speaker 3: at Woodbury Comments today. We saw exactly what they said

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Speaker 1: But they're suggesting that more so in a lot of

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Speaker 3: So we will say last year, we actually and this

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Speaker 2: And you know what, lesson learned. I don't think we

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Speaker 3: We'll drive further to the Tanger Outlets to avoid what

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was like almost I actually had.

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Speaker 2: It was it. My daughters were both like, I'm having

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Speaker 1: And let's the reserve space this. There are folks that

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Speaker 1: Nothing has changed.

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Speaker 2: We've been in other places, I just never and we love.

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Speaker 3: I've been going to Woodberry Commons for like twenty years,

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Speaker 3: but this was the wildest experience I've had.

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Speaker 1: They might tell you it's like this every single year,

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Speaker 3: Ava asked me what Black Friday was, and I gave

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Speaker 1: Based on what retailers have been telling us for the

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Speaker 1: course at all, but this goes back to the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with shopping and getting into

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've never heard that story ever in my.

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Speaker 1: negative connotation off of it. So how can we do that?

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Speaker 1: They started pumping the story that you gave Ava that

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Speaker 3: Because we've been in the red up until now, we

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Speaker 3: So that day represents, yes, the day that retailers and

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Speaker 4: There you go, Wow, who knew I more? You know? Right?

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Speaker 3: And that is that's that actually blows my mind because

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Speaker 1: Because obviously retailers make money at points other points of

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Speaker 1: And that makes sense the Saturday before Christmas day, yes.

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Speaker 2: Because we all procrastinates.

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Speaker 4: So that's your last chance to get out. But yes,

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Speaker 2: The more you know, the more you know.

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Speaker 1: All well, I hope you all had a good one

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Speaker 1: and cheer and again, are bad if we just our

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Speaker 1: it's like this.

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Speaker 3: I prefer Woodberry Commons on a Tuesday around ten am,

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Speaker 3: on a day not in the month of November or December.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see you soon Woodbury, but never again on

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Speaker 3: Black Friday. And with that everyone, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: I made me robot alongside DJ Holmes. We'll talk to

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