WEBVTT - Ep. 482: Render - Lost Dogs, Lost Cause, and U.S. Grant

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Knucomb and this is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual Bear Grease podcast. Brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by Tokvi's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been wearing to Covis for years. The most comfortable boot

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever put on. Good boots for good times.

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<v Speaker 2>Your finger is exactly this length of your nose, from

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<v Speaker 2>this joint to the tip right here, this joint, the

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<v Speaker 2>middle joint. If you put that up to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of your nose, that is a trick. Look here, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm finger. Your finger will go.

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<v Speaker 3>From there, which finger are you index finger?

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<v Speaker 2>If you put your thumb just below the knuckle, just

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<v Speaker 2>below the knuckle, look look like this.

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<v Speaker 4>And put it right your misty where your knuckle, where

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<v Speaker 4>it goes from the tip of your nose to where

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<v Speaker 4>your nose geins right there. It's not a trick.

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<v Speaker 5>Unless you have a spillmaker nose. And there's so a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of landscape there.

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening is I I told Bailey that one time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also the same length as your ear believe

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<v Speaker 2>it or not, that's true until you.

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<v Speaker 4>Get to be sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sitting there and I've told this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>caught Bailey sitting on the couch one day looking at

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<v Speaker 2>me and looking at my looking at the profile of

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<v Speaker 2>my nose and doing this to herself, and she had

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<v Speaker 2>the saddest.

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<v Speaker 6>Look on her face. I'm gonna get daddy's nose. So

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<v Speaker 6>when I called her, what you do? I let her

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<v Speaker 6>do it for well while I look around, and she's

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<v Speaker 6>just like, I'm like, I may have made the dance team,

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<v Speaker 6>but I'm gonna have to tote that around eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>So welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We uh. We

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<v Speaker 1>got Brent Reeves sitting in his Brent Reeves chair, Josh Lambridge, spillmaker,

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<v Speaker 1>Bear John Newcomb, doctor mister Newcombe in the toa Covis

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<v Speaker 1>hot seat. This is big. Yeah, we were expecting a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, this episode because this is an incredible episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to start the episode out with a story.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say story, let me tell you what my grandma.

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<v Speaker 2>This would be real quick. I hate to keep interrupted,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't. I need to know what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>story you're talking about she if something got broke unbeknownst

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<v Speaker 2>to me, she would hend me up in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>of the yard stick and say, Brent, what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>the window? Don't tell me no story? So is this

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<v Speaker 2>a true story? Or is this because that she meant lie?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she meant I don't want to be entertained right now, doubtful.

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<v Speaker 1>When I tell you this story, you're going to know

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<v Speaker 1>this story is true because of how bad it makes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of well, one particular animal look so all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's a true story. It's a very true story.

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<v Speaker 1>So I, as as some of you might know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a year probably a fifteen month old plot registered

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<v Speaker 1>plot coonhounds. It's not really a coon hound. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>from coonhound stock, really good coonhound stock, as a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, I mean, as plots go. And but I

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<v Speaker 1>have not hunted this dog much the dog. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the dog's fault that it's not a coon dog,

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<v Speaker 1>of it's a little bit of its faults. It's pretty shy,

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<v Speaker 1>like cripplingly shy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's what you might call the dog world a limon.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have inkling of hope because based upon.

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<v Speaker 5>One that dog ends up on the on the meat

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<v Speaker 5>Eater auction house.

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<v Speaker 1>So this dog I like the dog. We call her Polly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's named after David Crockett's first wife who died tragically.

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<v Speaker 4>Who was not a lemon.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a good woman, according to Crockett. Uh and Polly,

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Polly and Connie, our little feist dog, went

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<v Speaker 1>for a walk the other day and I had Polly off,

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<v Speaker 1>no lead, no caller, no nothing, and she usually just

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<v Speaker 1>stays fairly close, just kind of hunts up in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>And we walked during the day down this gravel country

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<v Speaker 1>road that I live on, and nothing that everything is fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And they don't ever run off, you know, they'll chase

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels or And it's been a long time since I've

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<v Speaker 1>actually seen a deer, like from my house. We have

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of deer around here, but you don't see him

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<v Speaker 1>that much. I'm walking Polly. Come around the corner down

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<v Speaker 1>here on the gravel road, Brent and pointing towards the west,

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<v Speaker 1>I see a deer fawn standing in the road forty

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<v Speaker 1>yards away, just like we just come around the corner

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<v Speaker 1>and just bam, there's a deer fawn standing the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's me and Polly and Connie and we all

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<v Speaker 1>see it at the same time, and like me and

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<v Speaker 1>the two dogs just kind of like look at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and I go, this is not going to be great,

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<v Speaker 1>and Polly. The plot just takes off after this fawn,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fawn flags and runs, and they're running dead

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<v Speaker 1>away from me due west, which is good because due

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<v Speaker 1>east a half a mile is a paved road and

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<v Speaker 1>is a city. Okay, half a mile the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're running towards the country, right, And so here

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<v Speaker 1>goes Polly, and I start yelling, hey, hey, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no clapping, and here she goes, and here's a race

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<v Speaker 1>or and I just hear him going, and Polly's after this,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fawn's big enough that it can outrun the dog,

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<v Speaker 1>so the fawn's not in danger. The fawn runs out

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<v Speaker 1>there about two hundred and fifty yards and makes a

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<v Speaker 1>loop through the woods and comes back and hits the

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<v Speaker 1>gravel road. And I'm running down the gravel road trying

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<v Speaker 1>to break up this deer race, and I see the

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<v Speaker 1>fawn coming back towards me, headed towards town, and the

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<v Speaker 1>woods are cramped onto the road, and that deer runs right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I could have reached out and like petted

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<v Speaker 1>the deer when it ran back past me after the

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<v Speaker 1>race had already started. I mean, if this happened a

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<v Speaker 1>million times on planet Earth, it would not happen this

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<v Speaker 1>way again. That deer runs out there, turning for the yards,

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<v Speaker 1>and here it comes run down the road, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, and it just runs right past me. But

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<v Speaker 1>then here come Polly full just full tilt, loping like

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<v Speaker 1>a corter horse. And what do I do. I just

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<v Speaker 1>do everything I can. I just raar back and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean just try to grab it, you know, as it

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<v Speaker 1>runs by, and she gets through me. And I see

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<v Speaker 1>them just running down the road straight towards town. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I take off running after him, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>come around a corner and you can see a straight

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<v Speaker 1>stretch like all the way to the black top. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see for a long ways. I watch them run

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<v Speaker 1>out of sight, and that deer never leaves the gravel

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<v Speaker 1>road really, And I go back and get Misty and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, we gotta get the canam. We got to

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<v Speaker 1>go into town. Polly is after a deer, and and.

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<v Speaker 4>We just going to the store to buy some corn.

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<v Speaker 1>We drive down there and this would come out later.

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<v Speaker 1>My sweet elderly neighbors just happened to be looking out

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<v Speaker 1>the window when the gravel turns to black top and

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<v Speaker 1>they see a deer and Polly just going down the

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<v Speaker 1>black top.

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<v Speaker 3>And shortly behind this a.

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<v Speaker 1>Major road cross a major road headed towards the White River,

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<v Speaker 1>run right through the guy's yard on the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just gone that that deer ran a half

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<v Speaker 1>mile down the middle of a gravel road that turned

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<v Speaker 1>to pavement. Is that not a story?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So what happened with Polly, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>She eventually gave up the race and like came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody called me, oh no, somebody called me. I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a dog over.

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<v Speaker 5>Here, like if any animal is loose, and they called Clay.

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<v Speaker 3>And the two dogs. So so the neighbors told Baron I.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, hey, we think they didn't know about Polly.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew about the feist Connie Connie the conquista door,

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<v Speaker 3>and they told me, they said, hey, we think we

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<v Speaker 3>might have seen your dog. They said, we saw a

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<v Speaker 3>deer a fawn run past, then we saw a big

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<v Speaker 3>black dog, and then we saw your tiny squirrel dog

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<v Speaker 3>running behind them. Trying to catch up, and the neighbors

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<v Speaker 3>told us that the squirrel dog and the coon dog

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<v Speaker 3>in air quotes were in the field just running around playing.

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<v Speaker 3>They called their names, and they ran up to them,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're just happy to see them. So they looked

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<v Speaker 3>at the collar. They called us, and we went and

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<v Speaker 3>we were trying to track them, but we kept finding

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<v Speaker 3>it had rained, and so there was some runoff where.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was tracking them on the asphalt from

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<v Speaker 1>the mud on their feet. Really see the tracks down

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<v Speaker 1>the asphalt. So that's my that's my that's my story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you put a name with that dog because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that dog. But we just met Connie and.

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<v Speaker 3>I, oh, yeah, the conquistador.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I had stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandmother coming right back into this this story anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, roadside places to stop for convenience on long

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<v Speaker 2>trips were few and far between back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would tell my grandfather to pull over.

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<v Speaker 4>She needed to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Her coat, take her coat off, That's what she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to take my coat off, which man, she

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<v Speaker 2>had to go to the bathroom. So wow, I had

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<v Speaker 2>rented you, only you only rent a big quarter of

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<v Speaker 2>smart water. You don't buy it. So I was paying

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<v Speaker 2>the piper right down here, m hmm, hundred yards from

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the driveway, on my way here to

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<v Speaker 2>this very immense yes, and talking on the phone on

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<v Speaker 2>the speakerphone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, A lot going on, A lot going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to interpret this.

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<v Speaker 2>And facing I'm getting there and I'm facing away. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>facing away, and a little dog comes up and jumps

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<v Speaker 2>up behind me that I did not know was there.

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<v Speaker 2>I may not pick again for six months.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep for a stone.

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<v Speaker 2>When that happened, about threw a shoe, it scared the

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<v Speaker 2>fire out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And there was Connie.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey, honey.

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<v Speaker 6>I looked and I saw, well, that's one of Newcomb's dogs.

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<v Speaker 6>But her name is Connie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Connie. So I just wanted to I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to throw that story out there.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good. So are you glad the little coon dog

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<v Speaker 4>was got a little game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the dog doesn't tell The story gets worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Two nights ago, I walked over on some property just

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<v Speaker 1>across the road to check on a fire and that

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<v Speaker 1>we had. We burned a brush pots and uh shined

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<v Speaker 1>a pond, and there was a coon waiting in the pond.

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<v Speaker 1>I go back and get Polly, and I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just put her right on this coon track and

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<v Speaker 1>just see what happens. She did not. She didn't bark,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't trail. She just was like, she's like, look

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<v Speaker 1>at that coon. She's like, yep, I smell it. If

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<v Speaker 1>it was a deer now, oh, if it was a deer,

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<v Speaker 1>she would have burned it up.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what we call a lemon.

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<v Speaker 4>Poor dog.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So man, do we ever have an episode?

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<v Speaker 1>As if you're watching this, you might notice that four

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<v Speaker 1>of us in this room are wearing bear grease bibs

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<v Speaker 1>and look really good. So the day that this comes

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<v Speaker 1>out is July twenty second, and on July twenty third, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to this today it comes out, the

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<v Speaker 1>bear grease bibs will be for sale on the meat

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<v Speaker 1>eater dot Com store, meat Eaterdum, meat eater dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty sure it's them meat eater dot Com slash bibs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And these are the bear grease bibs that I have

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<v Speaker 1>been working on for for for over over six years.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you drawing?

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<v Speaker 1>I drew the first sketch of this in there's.

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<v Speaker 4>An ad out.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see a the bib overalls ad that came

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<v Speaker 5>out yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see the drawing.

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<v Speaker 4>See the actual drawing.

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<v Speaker 1>I drew that in twenty nineteen before I even worked

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<v Speaker 1>for Meat Eater and submitted it to first Light because

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was wearing first Light and working with

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<v Speaker 1>first Light and I said, hey, you need a utility

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time, I called it a utility backcountry bib.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you read what we said, it is basically

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<v Speaker 1>this exact bib. And uh there. They're really cool and

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're going to be for sale tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how I missed that all of you

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<v Speaker 3>were matching until now. Yeah, I completely miss that working

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<v Speaker 3>not working, Larry, Daryl and Daryl here.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the reason this is cool is that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that first Light has collaborated with a

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<v Speaker 1>with a with anything cool, with any with with any

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<v Speaker 1>with a brand. I mean like Bear Grease being kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a brand in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 5>And for those are those of you just listening, it's

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<v Speaker 5>got this really cool little Bear Grease patch.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also you wouldn't know it unless you bought them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also has a secret message on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I realized that it says don't tell people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell you. I was going to say, like

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<v Speaker 1>you have to, I'll just say it has a secret

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<v Speaker 1>message on the inside of the bibs.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And uh, you gotta get to Steven Nello, the

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<v Speaker 4>coder ring you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Disaster impending.

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<v Speaker 4>That's fabulous.

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<v Speaker 3>They look good and.

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<v Speaker 5>Brent, Brent has a BIB overall connoisseur.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think I like him? I do. I

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<v Speaker 4>like them.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought they were going to come to Fruition.

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<v Speaker 2>They were teased a little bit. We're working on we're

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<v Speaker 2>working on man nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>And then back it comes and here we are all

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<v Speaker 6>setting in them like a bunch of What.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got What I wanted is so it has a

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<v Speaker 1>chest pouch that is a water resistant pouch, so you

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<v Speaker 1>could put your phone in there and if you fell

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<v Speaker 1>in the river, your phone wouldn't get wet.

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<v Speaker 4>Suitable for get really sweaty.

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<v Speaker 1>You get really sweaty. Yeah, it's got a big ventilation

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<v Speaker 1>zippers on the side. I mean the zipper the side

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is major. I mean you can go way down clay.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what BIB overalls are good for those ventilation. Got

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<v Speaker 1>big kangaroo zippers, like you can put stuff all in here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got one pocket here for whatever you want. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a right there. Yeah, that's for getting stuff out when

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<v Speaker 1>you're sitting. And now this is what Brent Reeves didn't

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<v Speaker 1>initially want, but is a zipper up the leg. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted it to be able to get in and out.

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<v Speaker 4>I was happy with the size.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't want a big zip.

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<v Speaker 4>I want a big zipper.

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<v Speaker 6>Because like I'll wear rubber boots and I'll put my

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<v Speaker 6>my breeches on the inside and that man, it invariably

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<v Speaker 6>would always get on my ankle yes, and I'm walking

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<v Speaker 6>somewhere and it's like I got my.

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<v Speaker 4>Foot and steel trap.

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<v Speaker 2>But these are small and as you know, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>wearing them that the prototype before this for about a

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<v Speaker 2>year now and I've been wearing the fire out of

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<v Speaker 2>them and inside my rubber boots and no issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they have a they have a brier proof

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<v Speaker 1>chapped front on the legs. I would say that these

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<v Speaker 1>are like a like a car heartwork overall would be

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<v Speaker 1>I mean these would be somewhere in between, uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>like the duck cotton is stretched duck cotton, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>made for comfort and wearing, but also durability. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, the perfect use case for this is small

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<v Speaker 1>game hunting and wrestling.

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<v Speaker 4>Straight up. Look, no holes barred. Here's how you can

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<v Speaker 4>tell the materials.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're scratching it

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<v Speaker 1>with your fingernails. Yeah, yep, that's good.

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<v Speaker 5>Lincoln would have warned these when he was wrestling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Man, I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Grant this. This episode is gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we do that, oh you might have noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>I say, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think most people will be wearing rattlesnake?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Josh, get your, get your we're gonna brand.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me get a video.

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<v Speaker 1>So these Areva's invasive pylon python boots come come straight

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<v Speaker 1>out of Florida? Is that the Is that the belly? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say so.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, and that on the side ain't Yeah no.

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<v Speaker 1>That's but what we're gonna do today is, ah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to uh, we're gonna brand them, so ta cova.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh uh, let's brand them with this bear grease. So

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<v Speaker 1>we got a little bear grease Brandon iron here and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna set this here. We're gonna brand them.

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<v Speaker 3>How exciting?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow on one of my bows. Hey, once you

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<v Speaker 1>film it for him?

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<v Speaker 4>Bear, all right, you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Where should I put it? Right there?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think?

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<v Speaker 1>On the on the leather right there. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably I'll start.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Josh, you got a blow to argan. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a meat Eater brand on it. Yep, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there we.

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<v Speaker 4>Go this safe?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, Bear tell us about your bow.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, I've got here a hop horn beam bow

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<v Speaker 7>fifty pound, twenty eight inches.

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<v Speaker 4>So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And this bow is on the Meat Eater Auction House

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<v Speaker 1>of Oddities for like a couple more hours today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm pretty sure if you hop on today is still

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<v Speaker 7>available the day that.

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<v Speaker 3>The podcast comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 7>And yeah, So I made this bow and then I

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<v Speaker 7>gave it to an artist in Tennessee named Savannah Gregory.

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<v Speaker 7>And she did all these carvings on there. But all

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<v Speaker 7>of that she did with little ministry tools, oh, like

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<v Speaker 7>a little drimmal tools they use for your teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's all part of the wood. She pulled

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<v Speaker 1>that out of there. She didn't. She didn't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>on there, but yeah, we kind of animal tracks.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we we kind of decided to do the design

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<v Speaker 7>a little more natural looking, like we could have done

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<v Speaker 7>like a pattern, animal track pattern going up the limb.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a water hole. Yeah, we kind of wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make it look like.

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<v Speaker 7>How a bear would walk or a turkey would walk. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it's got some turkey tail feather and wing feathers up here,

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<v Speaker 7>critter tracks on there.

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<v Speaker 4>Those wing feathers are legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, yeah they are.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is cool. And then it also has a

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<v Speaker 3>cool little little quote on it, gonna run.

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<v Speaker 4>That camera, run that video along.

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<v Speaker 7>Bow there and this bow says keep the wild places

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<v Speaker 7>wild right there on the riser.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we got these python boots, Josh, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, put it branded. Which way is up and down

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<v Speaker 4>on that?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're here, i'd say, so yeah, oh we got

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<v Speaker 1>it on there. Oh yeah, look at that nice job.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks great, incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>That's money meat either logo forehead. Let me brand your hat.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll do the we'll do a bear grease one later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah. Thanks to Covis for sending us these. That's

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<v Speaker 4>pretty cool sweet brands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I might use those. Let's brand wow. Okay, Well

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<v Speaker 1>now that we got that settled, Yeah, so meteor auction subodities.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also got on there. My bear hide from the

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<v Speaker 1>bear that I killed in Alaska was wearing the wet soup.

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<v Speaker 1>Brent has a bow on therefuse bow.

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<v Speaker 4>With a dialed archery site.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the bow that Clay gave you?

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<v Speaker 4>It is? It is? Wow two for one wow? Great?

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<v Speaker 1>And I just I mean, you know, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just noticed it was.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the one that I just.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm glad you. I'm glad you put it up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't saying it like that. I he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you upset with me for the bow that you

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<v Speaker 1>gave me? An altercation rate, No, just the way Brent

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<v Speaker 1>looked at me, he was he thought maybe I was

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<v Speaker 1>mad at him.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not care. I just wondered why you was asking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I just wondered if that was the

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<v Speaker 1>bow that I.

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<v Speaker 4>Gave you, it is? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Great?

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<v Speaker 1>Well so that's that. Well, uh Man beargree Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>Summer continues. This is part five we do have one

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<v Speaker 1>more episode. We're gonna end up with six Civil War episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that we can trust you with that

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<v Speaker 3>number anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's gotten a little out of hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, I've been doing this long enough

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<v Speaker 1>that when they when they say hey, stop, I say no,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna keep going because they've told me this. I've

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<v Speaker 1>stopped before when I didn't want to stop. Who's they

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the they? Okay, just them.

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<v Speaker 2>What class saying is he will show us how to

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<v Speaker 2>beat the hair off a dead horse, not anybody else.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this, uh, the thing about the the thing about

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 1>the Civil War is that, you know, we said that

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 1>we're dipping a bucket of water out of the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War. And so this is episode five.

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<v Speaker 1>And this episode would have come as a surprise really

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<v Speaker 1>to me kind of just sprang up in my inbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't didn't know that it was going to happen because

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<v Speaker 1>coming into this, and I said it at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, the the person I was least interested

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 1>in learning about, honestly, would have been Ulysses S. Grant.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's kind of interesting thinking about that, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling you. That's the way it was. If

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<v Speaker 1>I would have seen Ulysses, s Grant, Roberty, Lee, Abraham, Lincoln, Stonewall, Jackson, Sherman,

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 1>even Sherman. Yeah, William To comes to Sherman on a list,

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and you were like, which one of these do you?

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<v Speaker 4>Are?

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<v Speaker 1>You really not that interested in? I think it would

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.120
<v Speaker 1>have been Grant. I couldn't tell I couldn't have told

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you why. It was just like lack of knowledge, but

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe something more, maybe what Misty Wood, what'd you think

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Grand episode? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it. I loved it. And and I think

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Grant has kind of a little bit taken over our

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 3>our home. Every time claim I get in the car,

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 3>our audible pops up with the narrator's uh, the narrator's book.

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And and so I've kind of feel like I feel

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like Grant's like a brother to us this summer, the

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Civil War summer. But I thought the episode was great.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 3>You you kind of pulled out a bunch of interesting things.

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 3>It's it's so hard on on something like this to

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 3>condense his life down into one one hour podcast. And

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.119
<v Speaker 3>so I thought, what you what you chose were kind

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.359
<v Speaker 3>of the random pieces, not really the like, nothing about

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 3>his presidency, nothing about the end of the war, just

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 3>kind of this interesting this is what made Grant and

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 3>his wife and you know, his childhood, his dad horsemanship. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was great and I thought that

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 3>you had an incredible guest. I thought Louis did a

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 3>great gallo. Yeah, Louis Yallow and uh, but I thought

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 3>it was a great episode and very interesting and kind

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 3>of eccentric.

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<v Speaker 1>Eccentric. Well, I was just trying to just like build, uh,

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the history of Grant that maybe you wouldn't know, like

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>his childhood and stuff from his childhood that impacted him.

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>And then what was most interesting was just how much

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.719
<v Speaker 1>he struggled. I mean, if there was ever a story

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>of a guy that was kind of a failure rising

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to the top, it was it was him. Yeah, and

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and and some of it was his

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>own fault. I mean, you know, like a lot of

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it was with his with his drinking and stuff, and

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 1>there's it's it's hard to really get to the to

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of his dreaming because there definitely a lot

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>when you listen to is his the audible book, it's

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:13.120
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours long. Yeah, an audible book on Grant

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>is forty eight hours real.

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 3>But I mean when I say every time our car turns.

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>On, I've been on a bulldozer again this week listening

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.959
<v Speaker 1>to Grant and uh and what you what you What

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you learn is that his that he had lots of

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.479
<v Speaker 1>political adversaries, even inside the Union, that were not wanting

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>him to be president, that were not wanting him to

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>get credit for certain battles. I mean, even inside the Union,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>there were people like jockeying for power and.

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 3>So a lot of infighting. I mean, it was very

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 3>it was it was kind of like modern day I mean,

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.360
<v Speaker 3>it was what modern day politics are.

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, except even more so because back then politics were

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>much more geared towards military figures. Like if you you

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>almost had to be in the military to some degree

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to be a politician. That's not entirely true, but like

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that was the way that people got ahead in life

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>was going to the military, go to West Point. And

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>so there was a lot of that, and so a

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of people wanted Grant to not look that good

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and had he had a bad reputation coming into it

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>because he had basically been forced out of the army

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>in California for drinking, and that's still they don't No

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 1>one quite just says, yes, that's exactly what happened.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 4>That was it.

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I didn't interpret it that he was forced out. It

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>was more like, oh, man, I took it from the

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff I was listening to. He was so melancholy about

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>being so far away from his family and his child

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>he hadn't seen. And yeah, plus the drinking, which is

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>obviously the you know, alcohols of depressant sod.

0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Was he fired or did he just like it's a

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit of all they give him.

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Did they give him the option like, okay, pal, you

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>want to quit or you want us to fire you?

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 4>Was it?

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>That is exactly the way it happened.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people felt like he could have fought it,

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 3>like all of all. A lot of the people up

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 3>there were like, ah, they he wasn't. It wasn't that

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 3>bad what he did. He definitely could have fought this,

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.120
<v Speaker 3>but he was kind of like, I actually just want

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 3>to go home, and he was very depressed. And but

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the generals thought it was kind of

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 3>unjust that it wasn't what he did didn't didn't cross

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 3>the line into uh. I can't remember the word they used,

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>but he basically.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Throughout his career, his drinking oftentimes didn't roll into his

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to his ability to do this job. And so they

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>like knew that he was drinking. They knew that this

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit dangerous for someone in power to

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>drink like this, but he would show up for work

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and just be ready to roll. And so that's why

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>they were always like really uncomfortable, bit uncomfortable.

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 4>We call that a.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Functional alcohol and he wasn't just a high functioning alcoholic.

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 3>He did abstain for a very long period of time.

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 3>He was very specific when he would engage in it,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>and and so that like the record show, it would

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 3>be after a war, so he kind of it was

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>well timed alcoholism.

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they would send people and this wasn't in

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>my episode, but Lincoln actually sent a guy during the

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Civil War to spend an extended period of time with

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Grant and his armies. And he had a job to

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>do to like report back on the supplies and how

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the troops were doing. But really they were like, hey,

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>go down there and make sure that Grant is not

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>too much yeah, exactly. And so this guy was with

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Grant's army for a long period of time, and he

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>writes a very stunning, very very you know, good look

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>at Grant.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 4>That guy right, there's the lynch pin to the whole thing.

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but Grant also knows what this guy's doing. Oh

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>he does, I mean Grant. This is where I feel

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like Grant did have a high level of character or

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>he just had a lot of moxy as he he

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>knew that this guy was here to look at him,

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and he was on his best behavior like the whole time.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So the guy writes back to Lincoln and says, there's

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>not another man in this union that's his clear minded,

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>sober and as good as you listeness Grant.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 3>And so he was known for turning his wine glass

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 3>upside down at dinners like he didn't want I mean,

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 3>he didn't take there. Self aware, Yeah, very self aware,

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 3>very self aware and very I mean it was very

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 3>predictable when he was going to get drunk.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>He also had debilitating migraine headaches, and so people would

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>right back and there's all this written correspondence in civil

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>War that we can track now, and people would say

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Grant is in his tent and is unable to speak

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>or something. And it was always like was he drunk

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>or is he having a migraine headache? Like you know,

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>there there's a little bit of that, but without it sometimes.

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 3>They would they would prescribe alcohol to treat the migraine headache.

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and so there, I mean, it's it's just

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of it's very messy, it's very metal.

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 4>So at the.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Battle doctor Jack Daniels right there, yeah, yeah, And this

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 2>is where it's it's it's convoluted.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>At the Battle of Shiloh, which was one of the

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>bloodiest battles, especially up until that point, it was like

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of the Civil War. There were reports that

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>went back to Lincoln that that Grant was drunk during

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of Shiloh, and Grant they send somebody down

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to do a report and and Grant never lied about

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>his drinking outright, or at least that's the way it portrayed.

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he did, but in the in the records, he

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>would always kind of be like, yeah, that was bad,

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. And he basically says to the guy, he says, am,

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I do you think I'm drunk right now? And the

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>guy goes no, and he goes, well, I was just

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>as drunk then as I am. I was just as

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>drunk then at Shiloh as I am now. He said,

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't had a drink of liquor and like an

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>extended period of time. So some of it was hype,

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and then a lot of it came later when he

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>became president. And we know that presidents are just in

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the crosshairs for everybody, sure, like if you're president, even

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're a like a well liked president, even Lincoln,

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Lincoln was today known as one of the

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>greatest presidents, if not the greatest president, they say, just

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in his ability to lead and things he did, and

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>he was you know, people hated him, so they're always

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to tear you down. So again we don't have

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the full story, but it's true that you mean, zip

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that up. It's true that he had a drinking problem.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>But this whole thing about the Lost Cause is interesting

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and uh and that's what Louis and Brooks Blevins told me,

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>independent of each other, that the Lost Cause really targeted

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Ulysses s Grant. I mean, we don't really have all

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the information, but I mean, as it was portrayed on

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, did that seem legitimate that the Lost Cause

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>was tearing him down.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, I mean you didn't. I didn't think you

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 3>go and you went and ted.

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Or could it? Could it have been? I kind of

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>portrayed it as is the reason I don't know anything

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>about Grant and don't really am not don't think that

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>highly of him because of the lost cause.

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that, Yeah, that was there.

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I don't. I honestly don't know

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>if that's true. Do you think that's true, Brent.

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Man, I don't know.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, growing up in the seventies, fifty dollars bill

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was unlucky. Really, I was told that a fifty dollars

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>bill was unlock.

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>And Grant is on a fifty dollars bill.

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Grant was on the fifty dollar bill. Really, Now, I

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was tied to that.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I wish I would have known that. I've never

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>heard that on the episode.

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was fifty dollars bill was unlucky. You didn't

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of course I didn't see me. Anybody else was tolding them.

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.359
<v Speaker 2>And if they had plenty, I mean, if they had

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 2>a fifty dollar bill, obviously they were very lucky.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 5>So you know, honestly, now thinking about it, I can't

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 5>remember the last time I saw a fifty dollars bill, but.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the Yeah, they make them, but that

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>was I can't remember hearing that.

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't, you know. It was just a common, if

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 4>common thing, that.

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>That is that's unlucky, Like a four leaf clover is lucky.

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 4>A fifty dollars bill was unlucky.

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 6>Now, whether that's because Grant's face is on it, I

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 6>don't know, but I recall that, and I thought about

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 6>that driving up here today.

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Listening to m That's good Intel.

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So was it from that, I don't know, Yeah, plausibly.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. We're gonna do potentially a little bit more

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>on this idea of the lost Cause, because it's a

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty real thing that plays out in reconstruction

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 1>in a major way.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 3>But uh, I think it's interesting the lost cause. You know,

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 3>working in education, things come along sometimes and people are

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 3>always really paranoid about what who decides what gets taught

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 3>in school, And that's always been kind of interesting to me.

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>It feels like there's certain things we could just all

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 3>agree on all the kids need to know, And I

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't realize that that's kind of simple thinking, you know,

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>and when I first got into education, it was in

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight, and there were a bunch of major,

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 3>i mean, just highly divisive arguments about some major curriculum

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 3>changes that were happening in the US. And I don't

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.919
<v Speaker 3>even want to say it because it was just so polarizing.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 3>But it's kind of interesting because I remember at the

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 3>time thinking, well, I bet we could come up with

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 3>some things that we just all agree on that kids

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 3>need to be taught. And then you read about this

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 3>lost cause, and you read about the work that people

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.760
<v Speaker 3>went into to making sure certain things were taught certain ways,

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 3>and you realize, no, there's probably really a lot that

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 3>we can't agree on. There's a whole lot that you

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 3>just can't agree on, and it the strategy involved in

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 3>painting certain aspects of the Civil War a certain way

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 3>and the effectiveness of that to the point that you're

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 3>surprised that this guy's a good guy. Yeah, it's kind

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 3>of interesting, it's super interesting. Yeah, and he's a complicated figure,

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 3>but I'm not sure that he's more complicated than some

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 3>of the other some of the other people that we

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, I don't think you played this part,

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 3>but I was in then interview, and they were talking

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 3>about George Washington and his slaves, you know, and and

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 3>George Washington free to slaves on his death, but while

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 3>he was still alive, one escaped to Pennsylvania, I believe,

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 3>and he tried to find him and get him brought back.

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 3>That's George Washington, and and and have that guy brought

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 3>back to him. And I don't think those are things

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.280
<v Speaker 3>that people think about when they think about George Washington.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 3>We think about him as this really great, great person.

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not sure that Grant was less complicated are

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 3>more complicated than some of those people.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about Grant owning the slave was again we

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so much intel that we're trying to

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>pack in here. But his wife came from this Marxuri

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 1>family that owned a bunch of slaves, as many as

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty or so, and she carried with her into the

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>marriage multiple slaves. And then Grant's father gave actual gave

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Grant a slave that he kept in as his property

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>for like a year, and then finally he was like, no,

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to officially emancipate this guy. And then but

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>by the end of the war, like things had shifted

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>so much, you know, it became like this is the

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>reason for the war is to stop this. It's just interesting.

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Any any thoughts on it?

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 4>Man?

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 5>I thought this episode was really really interesting. I think

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 5>this might be my favorite one that we've done on

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 5>the Civil War yet. And I think that it's interesting

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 5>to look at a guy like like Grant, who you know,

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.919
<v Speaker 5>I have great appreciation for a guy like that who

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 5>doesn't have that sense of and not ambition isn't the

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 5>right word, but self self promotion. Really he's there to

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 5>do what's required of him and do it well. I

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 5>think that's an honorable I think that's an honorable trait.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, he had.

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 5>His own things that that that he.

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 4>Had to deal with.

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.479
<v Speaker 5>But when I when I look at a guy who

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 5>who you know, marries into this family, he's given a

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 5>slave and after a year he realizes, hey, I don't

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 5>want to do this.

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 4>And the fact that.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.919
<v Speaker 5>He wasn't like he didn't feel that pressure to keep

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 5>the slave and he did what he felt was right.

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 5>I think that's honorable, you know what I mean?

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't I think he didn't succumb to the pressure.

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 4>No, he didn't, and.

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Especially the time in his life when it really would have.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 4>It would have benefited him.

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, his his own his own father in

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 5>law said, if you bring your army to my land,

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna shoot you, you know what I mean, like

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 5>a like a rabbit. I mean, that's a that's talk

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 5>about drawing some lines with your family, you know. But

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 5>he was willing to do it because of what his

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 5>personal convictions were. I think that's an honorable position. I

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 5>didn't know much about Grant. You know, he kind of

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.359
<v Speaker 5>just he kind of just you know, blow by him

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 5>in the history books a lot of times. And you know,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 5>I knew he was president, but but just seeing the

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 5>things that would have made him a popular candidate to

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 5>lead the country, you realize, oh, this guy had some

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 5>some good stuff about him. And so I thought it

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 5>was really I thought it was really really interesting just

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 5>learning about him. I had great appreciation that, you know,

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 5>he loved his wife. I mean he was he was

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 5>really smitten with her. And it wasn't a I mean

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 5>there had there had there had to have been something

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 5>about her that he was drawn to, you know what

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 5>I mean.

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 4>And uh, and the fact.

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 5>That he was so faithful to her, and and you know,

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 5>they must have. I can't imagine what some of the

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 5>conversations would have been like in their house with different

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, differing opinions on things. But he really valued

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 5>her presence, you know what I mean. There's there's stories

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 5>of him bringing her on the battlefield because he felt

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 5>like he was better when she was there. You know,

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 5>pretty interesting stuff.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 3>It's super interesting the thing with him and his wife,

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 3>because in some ways, when when you're reading these books

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 3>or when even I feel like when Louis talked about her,

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 3>it was like they have a great relationship. This woman's

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 3>a little bit crazy. Yeah, I mean that's kind of

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 3>the way. That's what you feel. And when I'm listening

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 3>to it, they kind of I don't know that the

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 3>narrator feels a little bit demeaning to her in this

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 3>in this book about Grant, and yet says things like

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 3>the army, the company loved it when she was there,

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 3>that she would come out and talk with him, spend

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time with the She brought up the

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 3>absolute best in Grant. She you know, she kind of

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 3>pushed him to greatness.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Was it interesting how she had the dream? Yeah, in

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen fifties, when he is like kind of a loser.

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like had to drop out of the army

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>basically because of his alcoholism. He's like selling firewood. His

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>father in law and his father both just think, man,

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy, I wish he could just get his act together.

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And she has a dream. To me, it's always interesting

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>in this historically how this stuff comes up. The dream

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>is relayed to history by one of the slave women

0:42:56.080 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that Julia told the story to. Just think that's interesting

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>because she was interviewed later. You know, she lived a

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 1>long life and was owned by the Grants, and so

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>she was interviewed and she was like, I remember when

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Julia had a dream that Ulysses was going to be president,

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and she just she just always saw this greatness in it.

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 5>And Julia Julia was pretty attracted to till Us Grant

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 5>as well. I mean she was pretty impressed with his

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 5>horsemanship and his what did your graceful form?

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>And so on the audio we keep talking about this audiobook,

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:37.959
<v Speaker 1>we took up who the author was about. Yeah, yeah,

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Julie at one point said, what is.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 5>She's a quote of her that she she enjoyed his

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 5>graceful form in the saddle.

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's like pulling up with the t bird.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Listened to that and it said she commented on his

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>graceful form in the I paused it, and I said, misty,

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 1>this is what a man was in the mule saddle,

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and the.

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Bear grease overall is on the saddle.

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 3>I was literally sleeping.

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>We were coming back from saddle sits. You a little

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.959
<v Speaker 1>different on the animal too, all right, So.

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:22.359
<v Speaker 3>We were coming back from the Presidential Museum and I

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 3>wake up to these two cackling. It made me replay it.

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 4>He's like, go back to you.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 1>This is the way a woman don't on him. Don't

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you see that? This is what made him great? And

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>immediately went home and got on a bulldozer.

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, same thing, I mean similar, Yes, graceful form in

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 5>the dozer.

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was super interesting. Their relationship.

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think their relationship is interesting, and I think

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 3>the way she's portrayed is kind of interesting. Like I

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 3>think she was a little bit like her own her

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 3>own memoirs. She didn't hurt help herself there, you know,

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 3>the way she portrayed slavery and the way like just

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 3>you could tell she kind of has she's a rose

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 3>colored glasses type of she sees.

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>This way she went nineties in her memoir Brent, this

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>is the one little data point that's hard to get around,

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 1>and it's hard to judge somebody based upon one thing.

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>But basically she said this, this this little enslaved girl

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that grew up with her and they were just best

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>of friends. According to her, when when the emancipation proclamation came,

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the girl left and she couldn't understand why the girl left.

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>We said, well, we said that on the episode, did

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>well she in eighteen nineties, she said that, Yeah, it

0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like in eighteen sixty six. Right like thirty years later,

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I don't understand why she left. I mean,

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 1>it just shows you a lack of awareness, just a

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 1>little bit of lack of awareness, or maybe a lot

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of lack of awareness.

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's kind of hard to get around that.

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 3>And then so I think that's part of why people

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 3>perceiver the way they do. But and and because there's

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 3>no doubt about it. In these biographies, she is not

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 3>treated with the same respect that Grant is.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't want to.

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Take him a year to realize he was doing something wrong.

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the horsemanship stuff. Yeah, it's

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just it's it to me that was cool that he

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 1>was such a good horseman. The best story of his

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 1>horsemanship there, there's there's, it's peppered all through the Grant

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>world is how good he was on a horse. The

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>one time that it really stood out was he was

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>on his horse and there was a battle and they

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 1>were getting away on a on a river boat and

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>all the men he was the last one on the boat,

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>which says something. But all the men had got on

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the boat and they're like getting shot at, like like

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>bullets are flying over their head. And he's on his

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>horse and there's a single plank going onto this boat,

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and he takes his thoroughbred horse and walks it across

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>a single plank. And the implication was it was you know,

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>he says.

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:33.280
<v Speaker 4>A lot about the horse. Yeah, and Grant.

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 5>Grant was good at picking them.

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>So he takes the horse across this single plank and

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>jumps it into the boat, and you know, all the

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>guys are watching and they're like, wow, what a horseman.

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you that when Grant says it's.

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 7>Couldn't get slow trapped to do that.

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Buddy, you'd have been You would have been a Confederate.

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Camp.

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 3>And there's there's another story about him in the Mexican

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 3>American War where they needed to get something, uh, really

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 3>close to the lines and he rides his horse and

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 3>he basically comes off the saddle and turns his body

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 3>sideways and uses the poor horse as a shield as

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 3>he and he gets really close to enemy fire and

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 3>he gets through and he gets to the gets his

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 3>message across. But yeah, I think he was. He was

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 3>really an impressive horseman. And I thought the story. You know,

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 3>there's parts of that story about him negotiating for the

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 3>horse where and you told, yeah, you told that, But

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's he actually when he was a

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.720
<v Speaker 3>general in the army, he he was like embarrassed about it. Still,

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:48.879
<v Speaker 3>he brought it up as a general in the army

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 3>and was like, well, like, we're not we're not projecting

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 3>that on him. When he went into some room, he

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 3>was like, well, but there was that one time that

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 3>I when he was like eleven years old and he

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't negotia for the horse. He told the guy it

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 3>was such a point of humiliation. You could tell, you know,

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 3>his whole life, he's someone that's kind of plagued by

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 3>these failures and this embarrassment, and he's got this overpowering

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 3>dad who's just a lot to handle and a lot

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 3>to grow up with, and he can't ever meet those expectations.

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.719
<v Speaker 3>And then he just fails and fails and fails. And

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 3>if you look at if you look at kind of

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:26.800
<v Speaker 3>the journey of his life, you see that as actually

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 3>serendipitous that all those failings happen. He wouldn't have gotten

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 3>to where he was, and we wouldn't have the outcome.

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:36.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't think if you didn't have a Ulysses, says Grant,

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 3>the other generals were just so leary of so leary

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.800
<v Speaker 3>of their own ambition and their.

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Own they were stifled by their fear of messing up.

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably the biggest thing that I learned

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.919
<v Speaker 1>from Grant, is that all these other generals that had

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>political ambitions, that had just ambitions to just be great,

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden they're leading these big armies

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>during this time when this is the way you became great,

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 1>this is my one shot, and they were crippled by fear.

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Grant comes in there selling firewood on the streets of Galena,

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>like he's there to try to just like he just

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>wants to make a living. At one time, he says,

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:19.439
<v Speaker 1>they asked him about his political ambition, and he says,

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd like to be the mayor of Galena

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.359
<v Speaker 1>for at least a long enough time to fix the

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:27.320
<v Speaker 1>sidewalk to my house. Like that was his that was

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 1>his political ambition. And he gets in there and he's like,

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what people think of me in the future.

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>We just have to win.

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Now for mayor.

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 2>You get voted mayor, and you fix the road coming

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to your house, you get you get a risk exactly.

0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that's so huge. Yeah,

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, fear of failure just just brings down your

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 1>ability to produce so much. And if if you've got if,

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got nothing to lose.

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 3>And I think he had failed. I mean he was

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 3>at the bottom for a decade, you know, he had.

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to fear fear something you've already gone through

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:07.760
<v Speaker 3>an experience.

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like playing that prevent defense and you're ahead at

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the end of the game. You're playing that prevent defense,

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:16.359
<v Speaker 2>it usually prevents you from winning the ball game.

0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 4>That's what those cats were doing. Mm hmmm mm hmm, play.

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 1>It safe, play it safe. Yeah. Yeah, they were playing

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>it safe and they couldn't win.

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 3>And that's part of why he got a reputation for

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 3>being like they called him the butcher, you know, because

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 3>he was so aggressive that a lot of people perceived

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 3>that needless lives were lost.

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And well, and there's just so many different little things

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 1>coming into this. This was during a time when the

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 1>chivalry was still a big part of war. So like,

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>if you had your enemy pinned up against the wall,

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you might be like, Okay, let's come to terms of

0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>agreement before I send in the bayonets to like kill

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>every one of you. Yeah, And and that he just

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 1>saw that that there was no way forward with with

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of action. And so yeah, that's where a

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were like, this guy is a maniac.

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 5>But I feel like that's not that's not consistent. Like

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 5>I don't feel like you could you could validate that

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 5>based on his time in the Mexican American War when

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 5>he talked about it being an unjust war, you know

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 5>what I mean, he his involvement and that was almost

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 5>you could tell he regretted it because he said it

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 5>was so unjust. So I think his motivations during the

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 5>Civil War were like, we have to get the Union

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 5>back together, and this is what I see as necessary

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 5>to get the Union back.

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Together, right, yeah, and that that became his like pathway

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to peace, was like, we have to have to win

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 1>destroy the South, right, you know, And I mean he

0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:02.480
<v Speaker 1>probably wasn't wrong, you know, but there were other options.

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:06.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what when you really get into this, you realize

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 1>that there could have been like some compromise. I mean

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that that would have been a possible version of the story,

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 1>was that there's some compromise and they're like, well, you know,

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you can keep slaves in this section, or maybe you

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.320
<v Speaker 1>keep them from twenty years and then they've got to

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 1>be it's totally gone. I mean, there's a lot of

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 1>different versions. But finally Lincoln and all these guys were like, no,

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we gotta we got to crush this now. The you know,

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 1>ending slavery becomes the focal point of the war, which

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 1>we learned in the last episode keeps out European countries

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 1>from coming in. Just so much wild stuff. I was

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>going to say, though, Grant his failure really helped him

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:58.439
<v Speaker 1>to be empathetic towards people that he would beat, even

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>though he was not the guy you wanted to be

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 1>in a battle against, because he was gonna, he was

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna do whatever it took. He was the guy you

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of wanted to surrender to. Yeah, I mean in

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a way, he was quite generous and empathetic with people.

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Over and over, like when they would surrender, he would

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.479
<v Speaker 1>be like he was arms, keep your.

0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Horses, Yeah, but required total surrender.

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:24.399
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:26.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean that, like there's a lot of stories about

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.759
<v Speaker 3>him negotiating and people being shocked that he wouldn't be

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 3>more like compromising in the and he would just say, no, no,

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>we're only gonna there's there's no terms except for total surrender.

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 3>So generous, but he was. He was the one. I

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 3>think that the thing about Grant is that he was

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 3>the the strategy. His strategy worked, and his strategy was,

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, choke him at every single point, choke you know.

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 3>And so he he commissioned Shridan and he commissioned Sherman.

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Those two were fighting at different different locations, and up

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 3>until that point it was almost like there multiple wars

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 3>going on. But he was the one that brought everything

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.799
<v Speaker 3>into synchrony so that you could really choke off the

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean that that's and that's what worked, is that

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 3>every they fought all the battles at the same time

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 3>on the front and cut the supply line to the Confederacy.

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 3>And also you know, held held Lee where he was,

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, held him on the defensive, and that that

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 3>ultimately won the war. So he was yes, generous once

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.280
<v Speaker 3>you surrendered, but accepted nothing less than total surrender.

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Well, I don't know how we could have

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 1>this episode without talking about the Dukes of Hazzard. I

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>brought him.

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:41.320
<v Speaker 5>A pivotal part of my childhood.

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Give us a part of the podcast. When Clay sang

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 3>the entire theme song, I thought.

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Ye, did I really do that?

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 3>You take a bunch of it? Not the entire theme song?

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Just a good old boy.

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got that, we heard that, we can.

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I never really thought about it from the from the

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>perspective of the of the lost cause, but the Duke's

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 1>hazard kinda it's like the story just a good old boys,

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 1>never meaning no harm beats all you ever saw, been

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:12.879
<v Speaker 1>in trouble with the law since the day they were born.

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:17.279
<v Speaker 5>Rev Roads with you in the s ten pickup not

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 5>circing nineteen Circle two thousand listening to that song.

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're driving a nineteen sixty nine orange Dodge

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>charger called the Generally with a rebel flag on the

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>top of it.

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.800
<v Speaker 3>And when Bear Newcombe was born, we lived in a

0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 3>house right across from the local school district, and some

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 3>teenager had that exact same had made a replication Generally

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 3>added Generally that also when you honk the horn, it

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 3>would play Dixie. That's your lifetime, but anymore.

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:58.760
<v Speaker 7>I've seen one in the last like seven years.

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's a whole nother story and a whole

0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>nother podcast, like The Generally and The Dukes of Hazard

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and all that, Like never.

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Did you have one? Josh? Oh yeah, my brothers.

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Steve Vanella had him shirt in Michigan. How old

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>were you during Duke's Hazard days? That's probably your prime?

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Seventy nine is that what it was? Yeah? Thirteen?

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that was worth the prime everything. I think

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 2>it came on Friday, I can't remember, but oh yeah,

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I watched every episode.

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:34.320
<v Speaker 4>I love that show.

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 2>But I liked Whaling Jennings long before I ever liked

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:37.640
<v Speaker 2>The Dukes of Hazzard.

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I got you.

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a cool show. I liked it. Yeah, well.

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it it. It's complicated now because.

0:57:55.680 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 2>People make it complicated. You can make anything complicated. I

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't see any hatred or anybody on that.

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Show except Crooked Crooked police boss Hog. Nobody liked him.

0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 5>And Roscoe well, even Roscoe had a few Yeah, he

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 5>had some endearing qualities.

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 4>Yet Boss Hogg, though he was bad.

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>That if you could gauge American entertainment, there would not

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:36.680
<v Speaker 1>be another show that was like had the cool factor.

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Though.

0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>If I'm as the Dukes of Hazard period for a

0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Southern boy, I'm just telling. I'm just telling the way

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I see it. I'm not trying to just the way

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I see it. I mean it was and and and

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it was also during a time and there weren't many options.

0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 4>You know what.

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 5>I remember watching the Dukes of Hazard, but I don't

0:58:58.000 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 5>remember my parents.

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 4>Watching the Dukes Hassard it.

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody remembers their parents watching it.

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 3>I remember my parents watching like Beverly Hillbillies and Andy Griffith.

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm, so I mean they.

0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 5>Watched it was Yeah, I'm just I'm just trying to

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 5>think of my mom My, mom wouldn't have watched that.

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 5>She wouldn't have liked it, and I don't maybe it

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 5>was the type of television show it was. My mom

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.640
<v Speaker 5>was a little more into Magnum p I. Yeah, for

0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 5>obvious reasons. Yeah, and Harry chested Ustachio. Yeah, but yeah,

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 5>it was definitely targeted toward that thirteen age demographic.

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:39.000
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well I can't. I'm not endorsing the show completely.

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not endorsing the show. I'm not I'm

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>not saying it was good or b. I don't go

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 1>back and watch reruns. I don't like it didn't come

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.080
<v Speaker 1>up until like this, So it's not like you understand

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm just saying at the time

0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the show was compelling. Yeah, but yeah, I mean and

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, they're parts of the show that.

1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:09.840
<v Speaker 2>They were single handedly responsible for, like that model Charger

1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>disappearing from the planet.

1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:18.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, everybody wanted for real, No, I mean they them Yeah. Yeah,

1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 5>there were like three or four hundred of them. They

1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 5>went through you, Yes, because every time they would jump one,

1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:26.040
<v Speaker 5>it was.

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Done done so and they jumped them every every times. Yeah,

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:33.480
<v Speaker 1>go around the corner.

1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:37.120
<v Speaker 4>I like it when the tires would squeal on gravel. Exactly.

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.800
<v Speaker 2>It was as dumb as me or getting a skateboard

1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.960
<v Speaker 2>from my twelfth birthday.

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 3>And living on a dirt road.

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Dirt road, you had a skateboard.

1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:53.680
<v Speaker 2>I rode it from here to the door on the

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:57.000
<v Speaker 2>car port. That's all the concrete we had. Yeah, so

1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I was Tony Hawk for like ten feet eight.

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe people don't realize how impractical dirt roads really are

1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:10.200
<v Speaker 3>for for leisure. You know, gol to ride a bicycle

1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:10.919
<v Speaker 3>on a dirt road.

1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:13.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh man, I loved it because you could lock up

1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:14.080
<v Speaker 5>them brakes and.

1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure if that's And if you live

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.200
<v Speaker 3>on a dirt road, you also have to take the

1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:19.640
<v Speaker 3>trash out like half a mile.

1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:20.160
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:24.280
<v Speaker 3>I remember telling someone we were we were talking about trash.

1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:27.160
<v Speaker 3>We were talking at work about like something about the trash.

1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, yeah, it's kind of a big

1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:30.520
<v Speaker 3>deal around our house because if you leave it on

1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:33.240
<v Speaker 3>the porch, raccoon's getting it. And if you you know,

1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:35.840
<v Speaker 3>that means that whenever that like, it's the worst possible

1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:36.959
<v Speaker 3>chorge to give one of our kids.

1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:39.680
<v Speaker 5>Because I was I was eighteen, we had to drive

1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:40.600
<v Speaker 5>our trash into town.

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:44.360
<v Speaker 4>We had a burning brow. Yeah, burned our trash.

1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.360
<v Speaker 2>And then when that what wouldn't burn got that, that

1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:50.560
<v Speaker 2>fifty five gallon barrel filled up to it and the

1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:52.720
<v Speaker 2>old creek down there started over.

1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:56.520
<v Speaker 4>Those were the good old days.

1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:58.800
<v Speaker 6>It was a gully like behind them. Okay, I got

1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:00.920
<v Speaker 6>the train, but it's eventually going to.

1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:01.880
<v Speaker 4>The water exactly.

1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:07.160
<v Speaker 5>That's what happened back in the day.

1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 4>That's what everybody was doing.

1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, we better wrap this up and get to

1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:12.840
<v Speaker 5>a watermelon sale.

1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Which is by the time this comes out will have

1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:16.560
<v Speaker 1>already happened.

1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:18.760
<v Speaker 5>We'll be rich.

1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Hey today, today is this is the day that we

1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.720
<v Speaker 1>are going to sell those watermelons that you've heard so

1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:30.360
<v Speaker 1>much about. And uh, well maybe you haven't, but we're

1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:34.240
<v Speaker 1>selling watermelons. And this is part of my lifelong dream fulfilled.

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:36.680
<v Speaker 3>It's huge for Clay. I mean, like this is this

1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:39.920
<v Speaker 3>is probably bigger than if Clay were given an opportunity

1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:42.760
<v Speaker 3>to perform on the stage of the Grand Ole Opery

1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.120
<v Speaker 3>or sell watermelons on the side of the road. I

1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:46.520
<v Speaker 3>think it would be a toss up for him.

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I have played with Evan Felker. The

1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:55.600
<v Speaker 1>term part heard today, Boy, I was walking around Nashville

1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:59.760
<v Speaker 1>this week and I was seeing these guys playing at

1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like ten am in these little cafes, laughing at them,

1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and I went up and just tapped when I'm on

1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the boot. When I walked byes up on the stage

1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be like, hey, man, I'm hoping for I

1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:14.400
<v Speaker 1>was with Evan Felker. I played little music with him, winked.

1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:19.040
<v Speaker 2>S he actually Evan actually opened for us.

1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:22.400
<v Speaker 4>I remind you of that.

1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, watermelons will be high on that list. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are good watermelons from Brent's buddy and Cabot lay Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>layed high goy. He's got an incredible thing going down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>He is so good and he's such a good person too.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just he's just a great guy, a great family,

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<v Speaker 2>his son, and I know them all and they're just

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<v Speaker 2>they're just good, hard working folks man.

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<v Speaker 4>And they are in watermelons.

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<v Speaker 1>He's called the Cabot Patch, a Cabot Patch.

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<v Speaker 4>It's on Highway eighty nine in Cabin Cabot, Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a they sell beaches and watermelons and BlackBerry.

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<v Speaker 4>And you can find him on He's got his Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cabin patch, but he and he grows.

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<v Speaker 4>I g yeah, he grows all of himself on his

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<v Speaker 4>grandmother's land. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah the watermelons. I mean, I said it and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in it too.

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<v Speaker 4>I know how you likes. Son.

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<v Speaker 1>The watermelon I had yesterday, that sweet gem like a

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<v Speaker 1>black diamond, dark watermelon. It was as good a melon

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<v Speaker 1>as I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just right now. We are probably the peak

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<v Speaker 1>of the season, but uh yeah, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>selling them today here in West Fork.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, we got we got to go back in time.

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<v Speaker 1>For the load of watermelons. So all right, thank you, goy, Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming up, mister, thanks for being the Covis

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<v Speaker 1>hot seat.

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<v Speaker 3>Always good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>God see you nice nice coveralls, Thank you overalls. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you keep the wild place as well, because that's where

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<v Speaker 1>there's stuff, right

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<v Speaker 3>M