1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: Charles w Chuck Bryant, and this is Stuff you Should Know. 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: And this is a fairly rare edition where we do 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: an episode that we decided to do within the last 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: few episodes. We don't usually turn it around that fast. 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: Usually it's like seven to eight years. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a quick one. Then Julia turned this 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: around for us, pretty Staddy. I just made that up, Sure, 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: but I get it. I think everyone knows what you mean. 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: But we're talking about UNESCO World Heritage Sites, UNESCO standing 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: for which I never knew. I'm glad I know this now. 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: The United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization whom in 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two drafted this treaty to preserve of world 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: heritage as a whole, you know, whether it's as we'll see, 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: like a place or a thing. And they even expanded 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: later into like, you know, cultural processes and customs and traditions. 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where this idea came from. We were 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: doing our episode on contortionism, and we found that Mongolia 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: was turned down for getting world heritage protection for their 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: contortionist history didn't make They were like, what the age? 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: So we started looking into this and it is pretty interesting. 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: One of the things that apparently is a fairly common 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: misunderstanding is that if you have like a heritage site, 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: like something is identified and labeled a World Heritage site, 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: that that is no longer sovereign territory in your country 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: could not be wronger, that still belongs to you. But 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: what's happened is that the world, essentially everybody who's a 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: member of UNESCO, has agreed to say, like, we want 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: to preserve this in your country, it's yours, but it 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: really we're all agreeing that this belongs to humanity because 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: it's so important to human culture, so unique that we 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: need to preserve it. And it takes more than just 34 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: one country to preserve things like this, So we're all 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: going to get together and take shared responsibility for this 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: important part of human culture. 37 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also a little bit of protection, Like you know, 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: you've got something valuable on yourself there. We're all watching 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: you right as you as you juggle your way through 40 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: the room. 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: In mint condition. 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: That's right. There's one quote here that I think kind 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: of nails. It is. It's it's things that have outstanding 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: universal value. So it's the universality of it all, as 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: far as you know, needing to cherish and care for 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: these things. And I think it's kind of a kind 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: of a cool deal. I mean, some people might criticize 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: it as a big sort of political thing to get 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: tourist dollars headed your way, but I think it's actually 50 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: pretty great. 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: Oh I do too. I think it's good too. I 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: think it's both. Though I think the ideal of it 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: is awesome. I think that in practice lately it's. 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: It's yeah, great in trouble. 55 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: The thing is the idea that is outstanding universal value. 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: I get that again as an ideal, but in practice 57 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: that is not always the case. And I draw your 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: attention to the US Dunkerque, which is horseback shrimp fishing 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: in Belgium. And if that sounds obscure to you, you're right, 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: because only twelve families practiced this. Still, that is a 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: protected and tangible heritage that is not of universal value, 62 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: although it is super interesting and I'm glad it's protected 63 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: because why not. But I just thought that that was 64 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: There's a lot of different things that contradict the idea 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: that it's of universal value. 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. This all got started post World War Two, 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: after the world got together and decided to wreck everything 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: again for the second time in about thirty years, and 69 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: everyone kind of looked up and we're like, geez, you know, 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: we lost a lot of museums and churches and monuments 71 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: and entire cities sometimes or huge portions of cities are 72 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: just gone, and maybe we need as a world nation 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: to get together and sort of start caring for these 74 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: things a little bit more so. The UN kind of 75 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: led the brigade on this, and UNESCO was formed in 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: nineteen forty five. I think I said that nineteen seventy 77 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: two was when the World Heritage Treaty or whatever came about. 78 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: UNESCO was around, you know, quite a while before this 79 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: came around. So starting in nineteen forty five is when 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: UNESCO was formed and they basically started a campaign to 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: start protecting these places from a few things. It's not 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: always just like war, that is definitely one of them, 83 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: but also human development and natural disaster. 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Right for sure. First thing, I think they were really 85 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: kind of focused on learning from like archaeology was a 86 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: big thing. They were into for a while, but it 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: really started to take the shape that we understand it 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: today in nineteen fifty nine, when Egypt went to UNESCO 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: and said, hey, man, like, we want to build this dam. 90 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: It's really important though we have a reservoir of water. 91 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: But when we build the dam, there's a lot of 92 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: like really old like Egyptian Furonic Arab dynastic monuments that 93 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: are going to be underwater. So can you help us 94 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: figure this out? And UNESCO said, this is it. We've 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: been waiting for this for fourteen years. 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. They said, we need to raise some money, so 97 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: they got about eighty million dollars together and said, all right, 98 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: let's move these two temples, specifically to higher ground. So 99 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: they moved they disassembled these temples, moved them about six 100 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet, which it was higher and out 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: of harm's way, and that sort of, like you said, 102 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: that just sort of started this idea of like, wait 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: a minute, we can get together and make great things 104 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: happen and protect great places. And that kind of continued 105 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: through the sixties until nineteen seventy two. On November sixteenth, 106 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: at their seventeenth General Conference, when they adopted the Convention 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: concerning the protection of World Cultural and Natural Heritage, which 108 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: culminated the center of all that is basically this World 109 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Heritage List. 110 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was one other aspect of that nineteen 111 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: fifty nine Asuan Damn Initiative. I guess dozens of countries 112 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: like donated to make this happen, Like this was eighty 113 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: million dollars in nineteen fifty nine dollars. This is a 114 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: significant amount of money. Egypt was really the only country 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: that was going to benefit from this, but countries are 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: while in the world, said no, we want to help 117 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: take responsibility for this because we think that these are 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: that important. They transcend just Egyptian importance. 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And that leads to the second part 120 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: of that. What happened in nineteen seven to there was 121 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: the Heritage List and the Heritage Fund and that fund. 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: You know, without money, none of this really matters that much. 123 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: You know, it takes a lot of dough sometimes to 124 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: do things like this. 125 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, because like you said, a lot of 126 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: it's threatened in One of the big things is preservation, 127 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: protection and restoration. So that World Heritage Convention from seventy two, 128 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: it created the World Heritage List, and now here, finally 129 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: we have reached like the actual modern incarnation of what 130 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: UNESCO's largely involved in, or at least known for. 131 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: That's right. As far as the nuts and bolts of 132 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: it all goes. There is the World Heritage Committee, which 133 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: is twenty one member countries at this point that are 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: elected for six year terms, and they're the ones that 135 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: are sort of in charge of overseeing all this. The 136 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: United States has been a member country before and not 137 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: been a member country depending on which politician is in 138 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the White House. You can probably figure that one out. 139 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, no, nuts is probably there's some surprising dates in 140 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: there if you ask me. 141 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're not in there now. I think when 142 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: did we drop off? Twenty eleven, yeah, but we were 143 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: back on then back off again in like twenty one, right, 144 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, Okay, I can't get my years straight. 145 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: That's because of COVID. 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: So you know, if you are they call it hosting. 147 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: But if you have a World Heritage site in your country, 148 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: you have to You can't just say give us all 149 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: the money and don't worry about it after that. You 150 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: have to provide annual reports. You have to, you know, 151 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: deliver reports on like how the property is, the state 152 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: of the property, any concerns like moving forward, basically kind 153 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: of how things are going. And if you're a member country, 154 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: you get the whopping sum of four million dollars a 155 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: year from the World Heritage Fund, and that is I mean, 156 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: some of that is preservation, but I get the feeling 157 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that is like just sort of functioning 158 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: and identifying places and promoting your own world heritage. 159 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably paying for Docince is a chunk of that. 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, probably so. 161 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: But also if something happens acute disaster from human or 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: natural causes, you'll get some emergency assistance. And then this 163 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: is another big one that I think probably really comes 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: in handy. There are experts who work at UNESCO who 165 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: can train your staff, right. You don't have to figure 166 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: out you don't have to reinvent the wheel every time 167 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: and be like, this is an archaeological site. Let's figure 168 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: out how to train you the staff to preserve it 169 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: and explain it and all that stuff. You can send 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 2: them off to I guess New York and have them 171 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: trained up to do those things. 172 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And tourism it's a big deal if 173 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: you get one of your if you are a country, 174 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: when you have a site, did you get put on 175 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: this list? It's a big deal because people I think 176 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: that don't know a ton about this kind of look 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: at it as like a seven Wonders of the World 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: list in some ways, and like here's a place like 179 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: we got a visit before we die. 180 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's hundreds of wonders of the world as far 181 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: as the World Heritage List is concerned. 182 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 183 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: So originally, Chuck, there were just like physical places and 184 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: features that were on the World Heritage List called sites, 185 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: and they were divided essentially into two categories, cultural or natural. 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: And you can kind of generally guess what the criteria 187 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: was for each. 188 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if it's a natural Heritage site, that means 189 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: there's just universal value, maybe scientifically or maybe even just esthetically. 190 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the Great Barrier Reef of 191 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Australia or Serengeti National Park in Tanzania, stuff like that, 192 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's about protecting these natural wonders 193 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: of the world generally. 194 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we just take for granted that 195 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: the Serengeti National Park is like amazing, but the reason 196 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: why specifically. It was chosen because it's one of the 197 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: best examples of large predator prey interactions. Like you just 198 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: do not see lions chasing down antelope in Kansas. You 199 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: don't see it unless the zoo's gone crazy. And that's 200 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: one reason why it's protected. It's basically the main reason 201 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: why it's protected. But then there's also an intersecting thing 202 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: too that it's also gorgeous. So this fulfills a couple 203 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: of things. It's biologically important to science, but it's also 204 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: esthetically amazing too. 205 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And this goes you know, every single 206 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: one of these things. And we're not just going to 207 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: go through and list a ton of different places. But 208 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: if you're talking about the Yellowstone National Park, or the 209 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Galapagos Islands or like I mentioned, the Great Barrier Reef, 210 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: these all seem like pretty obvious inclusions. 211 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: For sure, and they were probably included pretty early on 212 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: in the list's existence. 213 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: Oh geez. 214 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: So that's the natural site. There's also the cultural site, 215 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: and these are essentially, you know, human made environments or 216 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: structures or places of human occupation where humans did something 217 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: impressive important, or it was just part of a larger culture. 218 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: For example, there's a crossroads and I think, oh, I 219 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: don't remember where it was, but it was just a 220 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: crossroads back on the in the like the third century CE, 221 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: and it was just really important at the time. It 222 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: doesn't seem all that important now, but it was, and 223 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: you want to preserve it because the future generations can 224 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: learn from it and experience it and appreciate it. 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And you know, it can also be 226 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: a building or a sculpture, like the Statue of Liberty 227 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: is on there under cultural heritage under that, but so 228 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: is like Venice, Italy. So it can be a whole 229 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: city that's sort of an ancient modern well not maybe 230 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: not ancient, but a modern wonder. 231 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: You know, right, and then it can be ancient two. 232 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 2: And then also like how the esthetics and scientific importance 233 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 2: intersect in the Serengeti National Park, that can happen, and 234 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: cultural sites too, like it can be where archaeology and 235 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: intersects with you know, humans like making shaping the natural environment, 236 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: like the Kohoki amounts are on the list yea to 237 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: where like all these different boxes can be checked and 238 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: those are they call the the money sites where there's 239 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: just a bunch of different criteria going on. 240 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I said not ancient Venice specifically. 241 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: I see, I see have you been to Venice. 242 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: I've never been there. It's on a big time on 243 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: the list. But I also just realized, I don't know 244 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,479 Speaker 1: when all that was engineered. 245 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to say, like the sixteenth century, but it 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: could be like agent that's ancient is now. 247 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: No, I don't even know what ancient means now I 248 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: think about. 249 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: It, but it's you're gonna love it. You will love Venice. 250 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: And when you do, go there, go to Harry's Bar. 251 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: It's where the Bellini was invented. Okay, they save Hemingway's 252 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: seat at the bar, it's preserved. But their martinis are really, 253 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: really good. They're outrageously expensive just because they know that 254 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: you'll pay it because you're a tourist. But it's still 255 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: worth getting. 256 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Well, maybe I can grow the beer back out and 257 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: put some weight back on and convince everyone on the 258 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: ghost of Hemingway and take that seat. 259 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: Finally, well, bring a multi extra toad cat with you 260 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: or are they cross eyed? What is it about those 261 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: cats too to? 262 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Are they polydactyl. 263 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: I think so there's some unique feature that the Hemingway 264 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: cats on Key West. I'll share. Yeah, okay, I want 265 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: to say it's an extra toe. I'm not sure. 266 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Well, moving on, we'll figure that out. There are total 267 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: a total of twelve hundred and forty eight World Heritage 268 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: sites right now. The vast amount of those are cultural. 269 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: I think seventy eight percent, nineteen percent are natural, and 270 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: three percent are mixed. And Europe in North America have 271 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: almost half of them. They have forty six percent, compared 272 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: to Latin in the Caribbean, Latin American Caribbean at twelve percent, 273 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Asia and the Pacific twenty five percent, the Arab States 274 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: eight percent, an African nine percent, although we should say 275 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: Africa holds twenty percent of all the natural sites, which 276 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: is pretty impressive and not surprising. 277 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: That is cool. I say we take a break. But 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: first I also wanted to point out that not all 279 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: of these are you know, just like up with humanity like. 280 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: They also preserve some pretty dark stuff too. One good 281 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: example is the Navy School of Mechanics in Argentina, which 282 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: has turned into a Site of Memory, a museum where 283 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: they basically preserved the fact that this was a place 284 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: where people were abducted, tortured, and murdered by dictatorships in 285 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: Latin America in the nineteen seventies and eighties. And this 286 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: is a World Heritage site because it's important to remember. 287 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: People will do this, like people will vote people like 288 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: this into office and keep them there, and those people 289 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: can turn on their own people, and you can be 290 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: abducted and disappeared and murdered by the state that happens. 291 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: That to me is like one of the big driving 292 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: I guess it drives home the point of the World 293 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: Heritage lists more than some of these others. Right to remember, right, 294 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: but you don't have to just remember the dark stuff. 295 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: You can remember all the stuff, but you can't ignore 296 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: the dark stuff, I guess, is what I mean. 297 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: Well said, just like Lord Vader himself. 298 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: What do you say, like, come on over, baby, the 299 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: dark side's feeling great? 300 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I think so that was the line. Should we take 301 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: that break? 302 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should. 303 00:16:39,800 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: All right, We'll be right back, everybody, all right. So 304 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: we mentioned early we're back by the way, that UNESCO 305 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: would eventually adopt stuff like oral traditions and performing arts 306 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: and social rituals and practices and things like that. That 307 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: happened in two thousand and three specifically, and you know, 308 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: this was a very valuable ad. I think, like a 309 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: skill set or a knowledge, or just some irreplaceable custom 310 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: or traditional craft or skill or something that you know, 311 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: could be in danger of being lost, you know, if 312 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: not for stuff like this. 313 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it can be twelve families shrimp fishing 314 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: on horseback in Belgium. 315 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: I want to see that. What does that look like? 316 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: It looks like somebody with a horse and a shrimp 317 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: net on a beach. I saw a picture of it. 318 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: I mean I kind of figured that, but you know, 319 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: I bet the shrimp are good. 320 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: But I think this is it's worth preserving too, because 321 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: this is important to like these people. It's not saying 322 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: like was this this is what America thinks is cool 323 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: or this is what you know Zimbabwe thinks is cool? 324 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: Like this is this is important to this culture. There's 325 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: a culture on planet Earth and this is important to 326 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: them and we should preserve it just for that very reason. 327 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: Plus also, really, what is supporting horseback shrimp fishing among 328 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: twelve families in Belgium really costing the world to support? 329 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: You know? 330 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: Agreed? One part about being included on this part of 331 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: the list is that And I think this is kind 332 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: of cool is it can be inherited from the past, 333 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: but it also is applied to a contemporary setting, and 334 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: so that means, you know, it can't be the lost 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: art of whatever if it's like truly really no one 336 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: is even doing this at all anymore. Like you can 337 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: be dlisted and we're gonna talk about that in a minute. 338 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: Not d listed is in d dash, but d E dash. 339 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 2: Oh you've seen you know that site? 340 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Well, no, wasn't that a TV show? 341 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know. There's a really mean like burn 342 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: blog or there used to be called you Listed. That 343 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: was hilarious but also really cruel. 344 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: No, I was never on that. But if you are included, 345 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: that means this practice or this ritual or custom is 346 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: passed through generations and communities and very community based overall. 347 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: Like it's recognized, it's recognized within that community and outside 348 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: that community as something of value, kind of like the 349 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: trimp people. 350 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: Trimp people just because it's interesting, you know, Yeah, let's 351 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: talk about we dug up some other ones. You want 352 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: to just kind of throw a few of these out. 353 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: I found basically all these interesting movies should probably just 354 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: pick some. 355 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go with the bagpipes. Bulgarian bagpipe making and 356 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: bag pipe playing. Apparently it's a very big thing in Bulgaria, 357 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: passed down through the families for generations, and it used 358 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: to be like a father to something. Now they will 359 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: teach all genders, which is kind of great, and you know, 360 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: it's in social clubs, they teach it in schools and 361 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: they're like, we need to protect this, and it is 362 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: on that list. 363 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: It's also there's some very famous ones too that it's 364 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: not just as obscure as horseback shrimp fishing. Artisanal baguette 365 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: making in France is protected, Coffee's protected sauna culture and 366 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 2: Finland's protected. Gingerbread crafting in Croatia, and then it does 367 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: get a little more niche loincloth weaving and cote de 368 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: voir human power creation. They're called castles in Spain to 369 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: where people just stack up on other people. And then 370 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: there's also an annual grass mowing competition in Bosnia Hertzgevina, 371 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: and it is using a scythe they're not just like 372 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 2: riding John Deere tractors or anything like that, and it's 373 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: exactly what it sounds like it's a grass mowing competition 374 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: that's protected. Also, so is yodeling in Switzerland. 375 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, great list, thank you, So check. 376 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if you said there's a danger list. 377 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: Did you mention that. I don't think we have yet. No. 378 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I talked about being delisted. But before you're delisted, you 379 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: can be in danger. 380 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can be in danger from we did 381 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: kind of talk about you can be in danger from 382 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: armed conflict, war, from climate change, from all like just 383 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: a complete change of the surrounding area can can get 384 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: you delisted. In danger is where this is the step 385 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: before delisting, and essentially UNESCO steps in and says, hey, 386 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: we need to do something about this because the site 387 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: is deteriorating, or we need to figure out how to 388 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: lift the Statue of Liberty one hundred feet so that 389 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: sea level rise doesn't you know, wash it away. And 390 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: there's two kinds. There's ascertained danger, which is like this 391 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: is going to happen, and then there's potential danger, like 392 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: say stuff coming from climate change, or if it's you know, 393 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: a civil conflict is starting to heat up and it 394 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: looks like a civil war is going to break out 395 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: and there's a heritage site right in the crossfire. 396 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And you know, one good example of 397 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: something they might do is they are these national parks 398 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: and I guess they're all national parks in the Democratic 399 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: Republic of Congo. That was, they were all made the 400 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: Danger List between ninety four and ninety seven, so they 401 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, kind of put up the warning flag and 402 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: UNESCO came in with their fat Bank account. There were 403 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: some NGOs involved that wanted to get involved and donate 404 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: some money, and they had a four year rehabilitation campaign 405 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: for these parks and then a second campaign, and this 406 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: kind of goes to show how the international community comes together. 407 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: These are all in the Democratic Republic of Congo. But 408 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four the second campaign got funded 409 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: from Belgium and Japan. They're like, let's take care of 410 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: these places. 411 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. There's another site, the Remains of Bamiyan Valley in 412 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: Afghanistan is what it's called. It went from not on 413 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: any World Heritage list immediately to the danger list. The 414 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: Taliban back in two thousand and one blew up these 415 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: two I think ten and fifteen story tall cliff carved 416 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: I guess statues are reliefs of Buddha from the sixth century. 417 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: They were beautiful, and the Taliban blew them up by 418 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: shooting them with shoulder launched rocket launchers that were probably 419 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: provided by the CIA back in the eighties when they 420 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: were fighting the Russians. And this was an enormous thing. 421 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Like people were like, what are you doing? What is 422 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: the problem here? Is this part of this kind of 423 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing campaign against the Hazara people who live in 424 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: the area, And so they're like, I guess UNESCO was like, 425 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: all right, we can't let anything like that happened again. 426 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: Let's get in here and try to preserve this valley. 427 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: And it was put on the danger list and they 428 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: started a campaign in two thousand and nine to just 429 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 2: basically go in there and figure out how to move 430 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: forward and keep this valley from getting worse off than 431 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: it was. 432 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is a big deal. So part 433 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: of their you know, UNESCO getting involved theres is identifying 434 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: and getting rid of those land mines first and foremost. 435 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: Yep, let's see. 436 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: Everglades National Park, Florida's treasure that's on there. Yeah, very 437 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: sadly on the danger list. 438 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also like civil conflicts really target stuff or 439 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: in danger sites like the historic center of Odessa and 440 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: Ukraine is on the list. Ancient Aleppo in Syria is 441 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: on the list. It can Yeah, that's a big It 442 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: seems like armed conflict and climate change are the two 443 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: biggest threats to world here sites. 444 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. You know, we did talk about 445 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: being delisted, and thankfully that's only happened a few times, 446 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: because if you're deleted from the list, that means like 447 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: that means you're probably done as a thing, and that 448 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: like there's no point in protecting you anymore because it 449 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And one one good example of that is 450 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: the Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City. It was delisted in twenty 451 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: twenty one. This was the historic docklands of Liverpool, very big, 452 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, port town obviously in England, and they built 453 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: a stadium there. Everton Stadium was built and it was 454 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: it basically kind of wiped all that out. So they 455 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: were like, well, there's no reason for this being on 456 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the list anymore. 457 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. The Tower of London is not on the Danger list, 458 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: but it's on the pre danger list for the same reason. 459 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: The development that's going on in the area threatens to 460 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: basically take away its natural or historic I mean, identity. 461 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: Even just being built around They're not talking about knocking 462 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: down the Tower of London, but just building around it 463 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: can change the built environment enough that UNESCO's like it's done. 464 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes it's very sad. In this case in Oman, 465 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: the Arabian Oryx Sanctuary was delisted in two thousand and 466 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: seven that had a popular of Arabian Orx antelope and 467 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: that you know, that was decimated so much, that population 468 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: such that I believe it fell down to like sixty 469 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: five of them in two thousand and seven. And I 470 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: guess that was and this was because of poaching, obviously 471 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: in habitat destruction, which makes it super sad, but I 472 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: guess that was low enough to where they were like, 473 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: all right, you know, no more protection from US, I know. 474 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: And that's sad because it seems like that's when they 475 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: should swoop in and be like, we're we're going to 476 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: occupy this area, Oman, we are, this is no longer 477 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: sovereign Oman. 478 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there are other organizations that 479 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: do and protect species like that, so hopefully they weren't 480 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: just sort of left out in the wind. 481 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that they were on the 482 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: danger list first and then they just did yeah, follow through. 483 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: But that's that we should say. It's not a It's 484 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: pretty dishonorable for a country to let one of its 485 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: sites end up on the danger list, even worse to 486 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: have it delisted. So countries tend to work hard to 487 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: get off of the danger list, and that does actually happen. 488 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: That happened in twenty twenty five to three different spots, 489 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: the rainforest of Atsananana in madayascar Abu Mena in Egypt, 490 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: think that was the crossroads. And then in the old 491 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: town of Gadamis in Libya that was the crossroads. It 492 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: was the crossroads between Africa and the Mediterranean years ago. 493 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: But those were all for different, various reasons on the 494 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: danger list, and those countries worked very hard and aggressively 495 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: to address all of those issues and get them back 496 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: off of the danger list. So it is possible to 497 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: get off the danger list and certainly not be delisted. 498 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: And usually countries who take this stuff seriously will work 499 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: hard to do that. 500 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be on the naughty list. 501 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: Exactly earlier, when you said cross roads, I thought genuinely 502 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say the Mississippi Crossroads where Robert 503 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Johnson sold his soul to the devil. 504 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 2: Do they have that one crossroad identified? 505 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 506 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: It sure seems like it should be a World Heritage site. 507 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure if they actually 508 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: had the actual crossroads, or if it's more of a 509 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: not apocryphal but or maybe it is apocryphal. It could 510 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: be both, yeah, or ephemeral, could be all three. 511 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: Have we taken our second break? I don't think we 512 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: have have. 513 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: No, let's take it. It's perfect timing. Look at us 514 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: thirty minutes in. 515 00:28:38,360 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be right back, So, Chuck, politics plays a 516 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: huge part in UNESCO and the World Heritage List. You 517 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: would probably not be surprised to think because this is 518 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of different nations coming together and they don't 519 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: always play super well together, or when they do play 520 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: super well together, it's often like gaming the system. And 521 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 2: that seems to be what is going on today with 522 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: UNESCO and the World Heritage Convention, that it's basically been 523 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: creeping slowly toward a way for countries to make more 524 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: money through their tourism industry. Get some sites on the 525 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 2: World Heritage list, you can go promote it worldwide and 526 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: bring more people to your country where they're going to 527 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: spend a bunch of drachmas. 528 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There is a professor of anthropology at 529 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Stanford name Lynn Meskel who basically said it's entirely about 530 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: political and economic gain at this point, just a tool 531 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: in a much larger arsenal of non sorry of nation 532 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: state politics. And you know, the politics of it all 533 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: can't be ignored these days. It's you know, there's an 534 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: interesting thing that happens, you know, in terms of like repatriation. 535 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked at some point here and there 536 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: about like, you know, when there's plundering from wars and 537 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: things like that, and all of a sudden the countries 538 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: own things, or at least have possession of them in 539 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: place of them in museums they weren't there to begin with, 540 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: like giving this stuff back. There's a big movement for that, 541 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: but there's also this sort of idea on the other 542 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: side of like, well, we will take care of that 543 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: stuff because it is in London or New York City 544 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: and we're not going to give it back to you. 545 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: And that same sort of mentality has been sort of 546 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: the same thing has sort of applied to World herited sites. 547 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: I think a little bit where indigenous peoples are kind 548 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: of moved out of the conversation because the attitude is like, well, 549 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you just don't know what's best for your stuff, right. 550 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, if you're a bunch of Westerners 551 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: coming along as tourists to tour this world heritage site 552 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: that's of immense cultural value to this local group, if 553 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: current people from the local group show up, they kind 554 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: of push them out of their way by their face 555 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: and they're like, out of the way, you're ruining the diorama. 556 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: This took place a thousand years ago. We don't care 557 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: what's going on with you today, even though you're directly 558 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: related to this. I think is that mentality. 559 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a good way to say it. 560 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: I think sadly, there's also like a whole I talked 561 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: about gaming the system. One of the ways that you 562 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: can game the system is essentially withdraw, like the United 563 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: States has done twice now in the eighties and in 564 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. You can withdraw from UNESCO and this convention. 565 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: You can still nominate sites, including sites in your own country, right, Yeah, 566 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: so you're getting the best of both worlds where you 567 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: can get those tourism dollars for getting new World Heritage sites, 568 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: and you're also not paying dues or you're not spending 569 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: any of your own money to support other sites. But 570 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: if you need help with your sites because of World 571 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: Heritage site, you can get other countries' money who are 572 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: doing the right thing and paying their dues. 573 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, not a cool thing to do, if 574 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: you ask me. The other thing that they've seen, I 575 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: think kind of starting in like the nineteen nineties, it 576 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: seems like, is when countries are getting together and voting together, 577 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: like forming packs and voting blocks to either get listed 578 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: or to block maybe a site from getting on the 579 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: Danger list, because we said that's kind of like being 580 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: on the Naughty List. 581 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So, like Latin American countries will frequently band 582 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: together and vote in one another's best interests. Or also 583 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: I think even countries that aren't members anymore, say the 584 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: US can basically be like, hey, vote for us for 585 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: this thing, and you know, we'll make sure that we 586 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: up are oil imports from your country by ten percent 587 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: or so. 588 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, you know. 589 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: So I think the more the more juice you have, 590 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: the more you can get stuff done even if you're 591 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: not a member anymore. 592 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And you know, like you said, this 593 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: is big money. Like if you're included on this list, 594 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: they will you'll be a part of their advertising campaign 595 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: and then you can also create your own around that, 596 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, touting inclusion. 597 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I can tell you that I want 598 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: to go see them in no impalatial centers in Greece. 599 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: Six Bronze Age sites that were part of the late 600 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: Bronze Age collapse. They're about to be or they were 601 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: just in twenty twenty five put on. So that's the 602 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: tourism's working already. 603 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: So you might not have known about that had it 604 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: not been included. 605 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: Probably, yes, I did not know those sites existed. 606 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they have a robust website with lots 607 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: of pretty pictures. 608 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's basically like being there in person, right, 609 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: but it's free. 610 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Speaking of the danger list, there are a 611 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: few sites that you know, you can be removed from 612 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: the danger list. That's the that's the goal, I guess 613 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: before being delisted, and that happened last year. The Rainforest 614 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: and Madagascar are those the ones that you're talking about. Yeah, 615 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: they're not on the danger list. And then that town 616 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: in Libya was that where the. 617 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: Crossroads was, That's the crossroads. 618 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: So they, I guess, what do you do? Just raise 619 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: enough hay or prove that you're actually protecting it in 620 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: such a way. 621 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you the example of the crossroads. The 622 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: old town of Gamities, I believe is what it is. Acadamiescatamies, 623 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: thank you. Their irrigation techniques were raising the water table 624 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 2: and some of the very ancient buildings were in danger 625 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: of crumbling from the water exposure. So Libya went in 626 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: and basically came up with different irrigation techniques that they 627 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: taught to the locals lower the water table. And now 628 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: the site is no longer in jeopardy and it's off 629 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 2: of the danger list. 630 00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: All right. 631 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: It's essentially just a question of the host country having 632 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 2: the will to spend a few bucks to remedy the situation. 633 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: That's all it is. 634 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if one member country has enough places like 635 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: that make that danger list, if there's any sort of 636 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: maybe not even official penalty, but like hey, hey listen, guys, 637 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: you need to You got three on the danger list. 638 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: Now you need to get it together. 639 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: It's a really bad look. 640 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: It is a bad look. 641 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: Kind of talking about the politics of this too. There 642 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: was a really startling turn of events in twenty twenty 643 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: where Rejet Erdowan, the President of Turkey nilatterally said, Hey, 644 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: the Hagia Sophia, this part this part of world heritage. 645 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: It was a cathedral and then a mosque and now 646 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: it's a museum. We're turning it back into a mosque. 647 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: And UNESCO's like, we didn't talk about this, and Iwan said, 648 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, we're doing that. And this is like, 649 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: I mean, this thing was built in the five thirties. 650 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: It's one of the more amazing buildings in the world. 651 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 2: And in the nineteen thirties the court in Turkey said, 652 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: this is a museum. This is no longer a mosque. 653 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: Turkey is secular and that's all there is to it. 654 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: So it's a museum until Airdwank came along in twenty 655 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: twenty and changed it back. 656 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, unilaterally decided this on his own, 657 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: and UNESCO was like, hey, not only did you shouldn't 658 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: have done this, but you didn't tell us you were 659 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: doing this, and you're using this as like, this is 660 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: a World Heritage site. Now you can't use it for 661 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: your own political gain. You can't try and curry favor 662 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: with the Turkish Islamic Turkish conservatives. And he was like, well, 663 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, what do you say. It's not a museum 664 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: anymore and we're not charging entry fees anymore. Yep. Was 665 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: that as like comeback? 666 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: I guess it was a comeback of sorts or a 667 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: defense or something. He's like, where you don't have to 668 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 2: pay to get in anymore. 669 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty weak. 670 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: But that was twenty twenty and absolutely nothing happened. That's 671 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: the other problem. This is a problem with almost everything 672 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: that has to do with the UN. It's like, what 673 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: are you going to do? Really? Yeah, Like, I'm fine, 674 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't care about peer pressure, you know, the international 675 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 2: community being mad at me. That's all it takes, and 676 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: there's nothing that can be done about it. 677 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Let me see what else is on 678 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: the danger list. You mentioned the Statue of Liberty right 679 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: as far as some of the big dogs m see, Yeah, 680 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: great barrier reef that's been threatened for a long time, 681 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: as our reefs all over the world. 682 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 2: Bury very sad ocean bleaching. Also, the Sydney Opera House 683 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 2: is coming close to the danger list because of the 684 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: arise as well. 685 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's right there on the water. You got 686 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: to protect that thing, I know. 687 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: Man, I say we go out. I just want to 688 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 2: throw out a couple more of these amazing and tangible 689 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: ones that are protected. Okay, great midwifery from Germany to Togo. 690 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes this can cross cultures. 691 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: Yea, it should have been from like Albania Desaire. That's 692 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: how you got to do. 693 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 2: Those great I called tiki horse breeding in tur Kamenistan. 694 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one. 695 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: Here's a good one, savice preparation in Peru. 696 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: I'm all about that. 697 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: I am too. You'll also like this one, the Da 698 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: de los Moritos in Mexico, the Day of the Dead. 699 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Hey. You know what, here's a tip 700 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: for especially for you and me and Emily. If you go, 701 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: if you love that Savica, you just got to make 702 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: sure you got to say no pulpo. Oh really yeah, 703 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: I think we You don't need octopus? 704 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 2: Right? Oh? Is that what that is? 705 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: No? 706 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 2: I definitely do not there too. Intelligence. Yeah it's cool. 707 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we learned that in Mexico. City that pulpo is 708 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: the words. We're like, oh, okay, so that's what we 709 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: need to avoid. 710 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: So you say, hold the pulpo, yeah, or just get 711 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: the one without it, okay. 712 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: Like I would never go to another country and say, 713 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: can you not put this thing in there that you 714 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: traditionally eat, Like you can find a savica that's probably 715 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: just a fish or tramp or scalop or whatever. 716 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 2: Oh really, I feel like I take the burger king 717 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 2: approach to tourism, where I was like, I'll have it 718 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: my way. You got anything else, I got nothing else. 719 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: This was a fun one. I know there's something I 720 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: knew nothing about, and now I feel like I know enough, 721 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: which is our charge as a show to like talk 722 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about it intelligently around to dinner table. 723 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: And to attend UNESCO World Heritage meetings and speak up. 724 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, where do they have those New York? 725 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. All right, I'm sure anybody can just 726 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: walk in. If you want to know more about UNESCO 727 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,959 Speaker 2: World Heritage, go check out some sites. You can tour 728 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: the world from your computer again for free. And in 729 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 2: the meantime, I think it's time for listener mail. 730 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is from Stephen Cook from Halifax, Nova Scotia, 731 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: who visited the Kowloon Walled City. 732 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: Oh cool, or. 733 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: At least the park. Hey guys visited that Kowloon Wall 734 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: City Park this past December on our first trip to 735 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, and it's a delightful spot with sports facilities 736 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: for nearby residents, some remnants of the original building foundations 737 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: as a reminder of its bass, and the one original 738 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: building that is now a museum. That's the one we 739 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: talked about. Yeah. Plus, there's a special exhibit that recreates 740 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: a streetscape in the community using sets from the twenty 741 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: twenty four film Twilight of the Warriors colon Walled in 742 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: which stars Hong Kong action legend sam O Hung as 743 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: a local crime boss named mister Big. I guess when 744 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: you're this big they call you mister. The set recreates 745 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: a whole block with a barbershop can means store, a 746 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: shoe repair stand, and a fish ball making factory with 747 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: period props into corps. A visit is highly recommended, and 748 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: Stephen included a few photos which are great. 749 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see this because I looked all over 750 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 2: for the exhibit and I couldn't find any photos that 751 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 2: I saw mention of it at some point. 752 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, search search that email, buddy and it'll come up. 753 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Steven. That's a great one. Yeah, if you have 754 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: been to Kowloon, Walt City, let us know. We want 755 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: to hear from all of you, and if you have 756 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 2: anything to say, really even hi, right Chuck. 757 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: Hi and Hello is a great thing to hear always. 758 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 2: Yes, you can send it via email to stuff podcast 759 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com. 760 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 761 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 762 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.