1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from works 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frying bas podcast as a listener request. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: That's actually when we've gotten a few times before, but 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: recently we got an email that was so compelling that 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: I basically stopped what I was doing and put it 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: at the top of the list after checking with you, Holly, 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: to make sure you were not doing the exact same thing. 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: My reaction in my head was actually, um, oh, that's 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: a really cool topic. Tracy would love to do that 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: one because I knew it was right in your wheelhouse. Well, 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: and when I say I literally stopped what I was doing, 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I think I was looking at my email waiting in 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: line to get to security at the airport, and on 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: the other side of security, I was texting you about it. 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: That's that I did not text you about it while 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: literally going through the scanner. That would be a little much. Uh, 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: So we're gonna read that email at the end. Martha's 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Vineyard is an island off the coast of Massachusetts. So 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: if you imagine the coast of Massachusetts is a big, 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: pointy fishook with that fishop being Cape Cod. Martha's Vineyard 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: is south of the very base of the Hook, where 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: it broadens out into the mainland. A town called chill 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: Mark was founded in Martha's Vineyard in sixteen forty, and 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: by the early eighteenth century, an increasing number of children 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: were being born there without the ability to hear, and 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: the neighboring town of West Tisbury showed a similar pattern 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: as well. Over those centuries, much of the western part 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: of Martha's Vineyard became home to a population in which 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: far more people were deaf from birth then in the 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: North American population as a whole, and this had a 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: profound effect on the culture of Martha's Vineyard, and one 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that went on to influence deaf culture and the United 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: States later on, which is what we are going to 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: be talking about today. Prior to the arrival of colonists 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: from Europe, Martha's Vineyard was home to the Wampanog tribe, 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: which refers to the island as Nope. After the colonist's arrival, 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the tribe's population dropped dramatically in the wake of introduced 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: diseases and being forced to move into progressively smaller parts 40 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: of their former territory. Both the mashp Wampanog Indian Tribal 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Council and the Wampanog Tribe of Gayhead Aquinna are federally 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: recognized today, and the latter is headquartered in Aquinna on 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: the tip of the island, just to the west of 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: chill Mark. Before anyone writes, then, I have heard humans 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: pronounced fees as Wampanoag and Aquina. However, the far more 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: common pronunciation that I found, including people that I checked 47 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: with directly where Wampanog and Aquinna. So Martha's Vineyard was 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: home to a Native American population once chill Mark was founded, 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: although estimates really very dramatically in terms of exactly how 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: many were living on the island at the time, anywhere 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: from hundreds to three thousand. However, in terms of Europeans 52 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: and other European settlements, the western end of Martha's Vineyard 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: was really quite remote. It was basically a fishing village 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: without its own port and the roads between it and 55 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: other European sid moments on the island. We're just not good. 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: People stayed where they were for generations, and they generally 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: married other members of the community, not outsiders and not 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: Native Americans from the neighboring town of Aquinna. Jonathan Lambert 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: is often cited as being the first person with inherited 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: deafness in Martha's Vineyard. Jonathan was the son of Joshua 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Lambert and Abigail Lennel, who had moved to the island 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: in sixteen ninety four. Jonathan was one of nine children, 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: and he had one other deaf sibling. Judge Samuel Sewell 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: of Boston visited the island in seventeen fourteen and described 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan in his diary. This is the first written reference 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: that we have to a deaf person on Martha's Vineyard, 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: because he was the first deaf person in the written 68 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: record on Martha's Vineyard. A lot of sources described Jonathan 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Lambert as being the source of this congenital deafness, but 70 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: that's not the case and later generations. All of Martha's 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Vineyard's deaf community could trace their ancestry back to people 72 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: who settled on the island between sixteen forty two and 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: say sventeen ten, after which point immigration of Europeans from 74 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: the mainland virtually stopped, but they couldn't necessarily trace their 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: ancestry to Jonathan Lambert or his parents. In reality, three 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: different families, all of whom had had originated from the 77 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: wheeled in Kent, had settled in Situate, Massachusetts, which is 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: a coastal town thirty two miles which is fifty one 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: kilometers south of Boston. Their descendants had then settled later 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: on in Martha's Vineyard, often by way of other towns 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: they stopped in first. Since members of three different families 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: who all carried the same gene, we're all living together 83 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: on this relatively isolated location. After the early seventeen hundreds, 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: the population of people who were born deaf continued to grow. 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Roughly equal numbers of boys and girls were born unable 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: to hear, but without any other traits that might be 87 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: considered disabling or pathological in nature. Often deaf children, including 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: multiple siblings in the same family, were born to hearing 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: parents who had a deaf family member further back in 90 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: the family tree, and sometimes it would skip multiple generations, 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: as many as six. Today we understand this is how 92 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: recessive jeans work, but to people who were living at 93 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: the time, it seems simultaneously inherited and random. There was 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: obviously a family connection, but people couldn't really tell who 95 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: or when someone would be born who couldn't hear. Some 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: people thought this was because the mother had been frightened 97 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: during her pregnancy. Alexander Graham Bell visited the island in 98 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties to try to figure out whether deafness 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: was genetic, and by then the ratio of deaf to 100 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: hearing persons on Martha's Vineyard was much higher than in 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: the rest of the United States, except perhaps an institutions 102 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that had been set up specifically for deaf people. As 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: a side note, Alexander Graham Bell's involvement with deaf people 104 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: and deaf education is really controversial today because he was 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: one of the biggest proponents of the oralist method, that 106 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: is teaching deaf people to speak and read lips rather 107 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: than to sign. However, that's not the focus of the 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: podcast today, so we're not going into that into detail. 109 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: We just wanted to note it. Yet it seemed like 110 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: we would raise more questions than we answered if we 111 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: didn't say anything about it at all. In terms of 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: numbers of deaf people on Martha's Vineyard, the estimates are 113 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: all over the place, anywhere from one deaf person for 114 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: every one five hearing people to one in twenty and 115 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty four, according to an eight article in the 116 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: Boston Sunday Harold, in some neighborhoods it was as high 117 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: as one in four. Nationally, the United States population averaged 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: one deaf person for every three thousand to five thousand 119 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: hearing people. Estimates on that really very Also, although Alexander 120 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Graham Bell was not able to figure out why deaf 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: people were being born on Martha's Vineyard, and today we 122 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: understand that there are lots of different things that can 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: cause a person to be deaf, his records still do 124 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: exist today. Something that doesn't, though, is the sign language 125 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: that was actually being used on Martha's Vineyard, and we 126 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: will talk about it after a brief break for a 127 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: word from a sponsor. As we talked about before the break, 128 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: from the seventeenth to the nineteenth century, European communities on 129 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard were geographically very isolated. People tended to marry 130 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: and have children with other members of that same community. 131 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Had a large population of people who were deaf from birth, 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: and that population existed and even grew over many generations. 133 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: That meant that Martha's Vineyard was primed to develop what's 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: known as a shared sign language, a sign language that 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: is used by both its hearing and deaf members of 136 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: its community, regardless of whether hearing members have close relationships 137 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: with anyone who is deaf. Essentially, any time a community 138 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: is geographically isolated, has a large population of people who 139 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: cannot hear, and continues to exhibit those first two traits 140 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: across multiple generation, it's likely to develop its own common 141 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: sign language that everyone learns. This has happened in communities 142 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: all over the world so well. While we are talking 143 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: specifically about Martha's Vineyard today, this was not unique to 144 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard at all. Some other examples are Amami Oshima 145 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: Island in Japan, Bankala and Bali, Adama, Robi and Ghana, 146 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Bancore and Thailand, and Providence Island off the coast of Colombia. 147 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Some of these places are islands, which makes it makes 148 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: sense why they're very isolated. Some of them were just 149 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: particularly remote. Most of the documentation of what Martha's vineyard 150 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: was like comes from Nora Ellen Gross's book Everyone Here 151 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Spoke Sign Language, which combines research in genetics, legal documents, 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: primary source records, and lots of oral history. The oral 153 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: histories were conducted in the nineteen eighties and are the 154 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: biggest source of information about what life was like on 155 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard when everyone knew this shared sign language. The 156 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: history only goes back to about eighteen third, so there's 157 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: a period between the late sixteen hundreds and eighteen thirty 158 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: where we don't really know for sure how many people 159 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: knew sign language or how people in Martha's Vineyards deaf 160 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: community lived or were treated. Yeah, we basically we have 161 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of genealogy documentation from that point and records 162 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: that still exist in terms of wills and legal documents 163 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But the the oral history doesn't 164 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: stretch back farther than about eighteen thirty because at that 165 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: point the human memory is just too far removed from 166 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the person who was being interviewed. So by the nineteenth century, 167 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: the entire hearing community up Island, or on the western 168 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: part of the island that includes Aquinna, hill Mark and 169 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: West Tisbury, everyone was bilingual in both English and Martha's 170 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Vineyards sign language. The exception was really a Quinno, which 171 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: was a populated by Native Americans who really didn't have 172 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ongoing contact with the other towns. Exactly 173 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: how far down island knowledge of sign language stretched and 174 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: by how many people and for how long is a 175 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a mystery. Everyone learned sign language is children. 176 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: Deaf children who were born to hearing families with no 177 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: other deaf members were still exposed to lots of sign 178 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: language through daily routine. Both deaf and hearing parents also 179 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: taught their children to sign. This seems to be the 180 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: way the entire community became fluent, rather than through formal 181 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: instruction in the classroom. All communication between deaf and hearing 182 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: people also seems to have happened through sign language. People 183 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: who were interviewed for Gross's book didn't remember any deaf 184 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: members of the community reading lips or learning to speak orally, 185 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: and there's no evidence that Martha's Vineyards deaf community spoke 186 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: by writing notes for hearing people to read. However, in 187 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, both deaf and hearing children did learn 188 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: to read and write. It's not clear how much of 189 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the community as a whole, deaf or hearing, was literate 190 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: before that point. At town meetings, anytime a hearing person 191 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: was speaking, a hearing person interpreted, and because the whole 192 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: hearing community was fluent. There was not one specific and 193 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: herpreter at church. Deaf people were allowed to stand at 194 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: the front of the church so everyone could see their 195 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: prayers and confessions. The sermons were usually interpreted by family 196 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: members and friends who could sign and sat with their 197 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: deaf loved ones, rather than having one interpreter for the 198 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: whole congregation. They're also oral history testimonies of hearing people 199 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: using sign language as well when there were no deaf 200 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: people present. Sometimes it was because the person they were 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: communicating with was too far away to be heard, Sometimes 202 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: it was because the place where they were was just 203 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: too loud, and sometimes it was just because they were 204 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: so accustomed to signing in their daily lives. The language 205 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: itself may have been influenced by a local sign language 206 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: used in the wheeled in Kent, where so many of 207 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: the carriers of this recessive gene originally came from. There's 208 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: some speculation that it also draws from signs used by 209 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: the Wampanog, but that seems less likely given that there 210 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: was not as much interaction between Martha's Vineyards white community 211 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: and their Wampanog community when the language was developing. They 212 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: also don't have a lot of documentation about the languages, vocabulary, 213 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: or structure. The last known person who have inherited this 214 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: inherited deafness was Katie West, who died in two By 215 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: this point, chill Mark and West Tisbury had become far 216 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: less isolated, the roads were a lot better, Tourism was 217 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: becoming a much bigger industry in Martha's Vineyard, and more 218 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: and more people were going away to school and then 219 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: meeting people and marrying them. Later on, when all of 220 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: those changes had started happening around the turn of the 221 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: twentieth century, an influx of outsiders to Martha's Vineyard brought 222 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: with them the prejudicial attitudes towards deafness and disability that 223 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: were pervasive elsewhere. Basically, the deafness carried a stigma and 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: that deaf people were inferior to hearing people. This whole 225 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: concept seems to have been completely foreign to Martha's Vineyard. 226 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: It's unlikely that these attitudes changed the perspective of locals, 227 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,479 Speaker 1: but they did come to the island along with the newcomers. 228 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: All of this means that by the time researchers started 229 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: trying to document the language and the the nineteen seventies 230 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: and nineteen eighties. They were talking to hearing people who 231 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: hadn't used the language regularly in decades. The last members 232 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: of Martha's Vineyards deaf community had long since died, and 233 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the perception that being deaf was just a facet of 234 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: the human experience had faded a bit. Most people interviewed 235 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: remembered only a few signs. We do know that some 236 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: of those signs are similar to those that are used 237 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: in American Sign Language, which will also see referred to 238 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: as a s L. One possible reason is that when 239 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: the American Asylum for the Deaf and Dumb, which was 240 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: the first school for the deaf in the United States, 241 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: opened in Hartford in eighteen seventeen, its largest single source 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: of students was Martha's Vineyard. After that year, all but 243 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: one deaf child in Martha's Vineyard went to school went 244 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: to the school for at least some period of time. 245 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: Many other students were from towns in Maine who were 246 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: related to the ones from Martha's Vineyard, and all these 247 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: students brought Martha's Vineyard sign language with them to the school. 248 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: The Asylum is also where the United States started to 249 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: develop its own standardized sign language. As we said earlier, 250 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: a s L. The school's founder, Thomas Hopkins Galladet, had 251 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: met Laurence Clerk in France and had brought him to 252 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: the United States to help teach deaf students. Most likely, 253 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: a s L draws from French Sign language, Martha's Vineyard 254 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Sign Language, and other signs and sign languages that were 255 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: already known by students in the early eighteen hundreds when 256 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: they all came together to start learning at this school. 257 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard Sign Language is definitely not the same as 258 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: a s L, though the people interviewed for Gross's books 259 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: that they couldn't understand a s L when they saw it. 260 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: After another brief sponsor break, we're going to talk about 261 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: how people look back on Martha's Vineyard and it's sign 262 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: language today. A lot of writing about hill Mark today 263 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: and really my Martha's Vineyard as a whole makes it 264 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: really I'm like this was some sort of idyllic, all 265 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: accepting community of love and support. And while it does 266 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: seem definitely to be true that virtually everyone in chill 267 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Mark and other parts of Martha's Viniard did know and 268 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: use sign language all the time. Writing from outside of 269 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the community makes it very clear that commonly held attitudes 270 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: about disability and the rest of the nation were applied 271 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: to Martha's Vineyard and chill Mark and West Tisbury as well. 272 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: For example, in s Millington Miller m d. Wrote an 273 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: article called the Ascent of Man published in the magazine 274 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: The Arena, edited by Bo Flower. This was a magazine 275 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: that for much of its history focused on social reform. 276 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: It's writers for the sorts of journalists who were referred 277 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: to during the progressive era as muckrakers, and the magazine 278 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: published articles about things like labor rights, the need to 279 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: end capital punishment, the need for kindergarten, and women's suffrage, 280 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: and also, in the case of chill Mark, eugenics. What 281 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: we're about to read is awful and there's words quote. 282 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: This community, isolated from the outside world, has not only 283 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: retained its primitive customs and manners, but the physical taint 284 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: in the original stock has also produced a plenteous harvest 285 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: of affliction. He goes on to write, quote chill Marth 286 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: that's his misspelling. With its quaintly tainted stock kept isolate 287 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: from the infusion of new blood by preference and by 288 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: environment is a sort of garden of affliction into its 289 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: loamy soil. The seed of the noxious weed of disease 290 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: was originally dropped by accident and not only grows unmolested 291 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: by the garden time among the flowers of health, but 292 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: year by year strangles and presses them out their place, 293 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: being taken by increasing crops of its own deadly species. So, 294 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: just to be clear, that was a doctor and a 295 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: progressive magazine describing deafness and also blindness, which wasn't actually 296 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: reported as being prevalent in Martha's Vineyard in any of 297 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: the research I did for this episode, as a deadly 298 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: species of plant crowding out the nice, healthy ones. He 299 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: goes on to write about deafness, blindness, and developmental disabilities 300 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: in terms that are just gross and horrifying by today's standards, 301 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: and also using a bunch of flower and plant metaphors 302 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: to advocate eugenics. But when we look at the history 303 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: from the residents of Martha's Vineyard, it's a really much 304 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: more positive story. We have lots of oral history from 305 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: those residents who remember the deaf community is being fully 306 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: integrated with the hearing community with no discrimination and no barriers. 307 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Deaf and hearing children had equal access to education, and 308 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: in some cases, deaf children actually had better access to 309 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: education because the state would pay for up to ten 310 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: years of schooling at the School for the Deaf. Deaf 311 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: and hearing adults had equal access to things like jobs 312 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: and housing. There weren't specific jobs that were thought of 313 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: as as the only ones acceptable for deaf people. Deaf 314 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: adults had the same rights as hearing adults in terms 315 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: of things like vote voting and community involvement. Social events 316 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: were open to everyone, and the fact that deaf and 317 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: hearing people tended to enter Mary a lot more frequently 318 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: than they did in the United States at large suggest 319 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: that deaf and hearing people on Martha's vineyards didn't view 320 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: one another as different. Hearing members of the community basically 321 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: described the deaf community as not disabled at all. Being 322 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: deaf was no different from having a different eye color, 323 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: and some even went so far as to say things 324 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: like quote, oh, they weren't handicapped, they were just deaf. 325 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: Having a deaf child also wasn't viewed as a problem 326 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: or a tragedy, just something that happened. And this is 327 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: in some ways similar to deaf culture today, which does 328 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: not view being deaf as a disability at all, and 329 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: many of Martha's Vineyards hearing residents who were interviewed later 330 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: in their lives talked about believing that it was that 331 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: way everywhere. It was only after hearing people went away 332 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: to school that they realized there was anything different about 333 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: where they grew up. All of this played out at 334 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: a time when deaf people elsewhere in the US were often, 335 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: at best segregated from the rest of the community and 336 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: at worst institutionalized and facilities that were rife with neglect 337 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and mistreatment and offered no opportunities for education. So it 338 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: does could seem like Martha's Vineyard was far more accepting 339 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: an egalitarian at least in terms of its deaf community. 340 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: What we really don't have, though, is any member of 341 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyards death community actually communicating for themselves. All of 342 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: the oral history that we have is from people who 343 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: could hear, and it was recorded much later. The hearing 344 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: community does seem to have genuinely believed that the deaf 345 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: community were treated in all ways as equals, but we 346 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: can't really say for sure whether a deaf person would 347 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: agree with that. Assessment. It definitely would not be the 348 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: first time in history that a majority population earnestly and 349 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: genuinely thought everything was fine, but a minority population didn't. Today, 350 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard sign language is extinct. There are efforts underway 351 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: to preserve shared sign languages from other locations around the 352 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: world before they die out, as well as well as 353 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: a tradition of preserving a s L through video. There 354 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: are archives and a lot of historical writings on this 355 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: at the chill Mark Free Public Libraries website, but to 356 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: be very clear, a lot of it was more than 357 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. Some of it is extremely hurtful 358 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: and uh, basically disgusting and how it describes deafness and disability. 359 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: What we read today from that eugenics article is really 360 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg in that regard, and even 361 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: the oral histories in everyone here spokes sign language. A 362 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: lot of them use language that was acceptable in the 363 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties but is not today. So if you're if 364 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: you're getting ready to sit down and talk about all 365 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: those things with your kids, perhaps, uh, that is a 366 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind, that that there are things 367 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: in there that are genuinely hurtful and now, Tracy, well, 368 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: you read us the email that that inspired this episode. 369 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: Listener mails from Kate. Kate says, Hi, Tracy, and Holly, 370 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to email the two of you with an 371 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: episode suggestion and let you know that I think two 372 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: of you are doing an amazing job. I started listening 373 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: to the show after I graduated college with my history 374 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: degree with you a few years ago and shows to 375 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: stay at home with my infant twins. I'm a pretty 376 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: extroverted person, so listening to your show has been a 377 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: lot to keep me from feeling isolated. I was feeling 378 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: pretty overwhelmed learning what it was to be apparent with 379 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: premi twins, and taking me time to listen to your 380 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: show helping me stay centered. Thank you for that. I 381 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of people listen to y'all show just 382 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: waiting to swoop in to correct you or tell you 383 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: how to do it better. What's garbage? You guys are phenomenal. 384 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break and say thanks, Kate. Thanks Kate. 385 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: Kate says, I'm currently in an m A program for 386 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: disability studies, and one of the chief things that we 387 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: study is the social model of disability. From your episodes 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: that cover disability history, it seems like you two are 389 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: aware of the social model of disability, But for the 390 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: sake of clarity, I'd like to give you a quick 391 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and dirty explanation. Under the social model, disability is reframed 392 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: as a social construct that ultimately marginalizes and oppresses people simbolistically. 393 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: If an individual is socially marginalized due to a perceived 394 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: impairment or unable to physically navigate a space because of 395 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: a lack of access, they then become a quote disabled. 396 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: In this way, it is not the impairment that has 397 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: limited their choices and opportunities, but a given society's reaction 398 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: to that impairment. As to the episode suggestion, I'd like 399 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: to suggest the history of deaf individuals on Martha's Vineyard, 400 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: as studied by Nora Gross and everyone here spoke sign 401 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: language hereditary deafness on Martha's Vineyard. It is as outstanding 402 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: example of inclusion and acceptance and an otherwise pretty bleak 403 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: history of disability. Historically, Martha's Vineyard was a relatively isolated 404 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: island with the high rate of people who were deaf, 405 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: and uniquely, the hearing individuals all learned sign language to 406 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: include their deaf community members instead of excluding them. This 407 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: allowed people who were deaf to be full fledged participants 408 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: in the community because they did not face any significant 409 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: language barrier. I have found that when explaining the idea 410 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: that disability is a social constract of people, I'm often 411 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: met with a fair amount of skepticism. I like to 412 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: use the example of Martha's Vineyard to show how the 413 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: social model of disability works in actual practice. When society 414 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: removes barriers, individuals do not become disabled as they otherwise 415 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: would by perceived impairments. Keep up with the great work, ladies. 416 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: You're the best, Kate, I would like to say, you're 417 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: the best, Kate. I ocur. Yeah, we have gotten a 418 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: couple of suggestions to talk about this before, and uh, 419 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: as we often do, we just put things on the list, 420 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: which is hundreds of things long. Um, but Kate's email 421 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: grabbed my attention immediately. We have not talked about it 422 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: really on the show. But my mother is very significantly 423 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: disabled because she does not have access to things that 424 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: are basic. If she were able to access them, it 425 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: would be not so much regarded as disability. Like I 426 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: wear glasses, which by definition is a disability. My eyesight 427 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: is not good, but like society does not regard having 428 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: glasses as being disabled. Like that's the thing that's totally 429 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: except except in small children who bully each other. But 430 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: that's just being jerkes. So that's not even perceiving the 431 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: disabled versus not just you're slightly different from me, so 432 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: I'll be a jerk about it. 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