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Go to Nancy Grace dot 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy. Crime Stories with 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I was sitting on the bed talking to 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Harvey when he pushed me back and forced himself onto me. 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: It was not consensual. He did not use a condom. 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Once he excused himself to go to the bathroom and 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: he came back in nothing but a robe. Obviously his 25 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: whole demeanor changed. He's holding my forearm pretty forcefully, and um, 26 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: we're both now standing in front of the mirror, and 27 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: he just keeps saying, just watch me, just watch me masturbate. 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: And I waked up, and and then all of a sudden, 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: he takes his pants down and starts doing his stuff. 30 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: And I hate blocking the door. I can't get out. 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: And then he says, you know, you're a really nice girl. 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: You shouldn't tell anybody about that. In the last hours, 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: a major victory. I hope you're sitting down for movie 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein as a criminal charge is dropped. Repeat, 35 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: a criminal charge of sex attack by Harvey Weinstein has 36 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: been dropped. Is this just the beginning of the end? I, 37 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 38 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: with us, Alexis terres Chuck Greater online dot com. It's 39 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: almost more than I can take in listen. Alexis. Prosecutors 40 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: also recently obtained an email Evans wrote in two downs 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and fifteen to a man she later married. They say 42 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: that account differs from the one she provided to investigators. 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Weinstein's attorney says he thinks Evans lied about what happened. 44 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: Luscia Evans, who you will see from the documents released 45 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: as clearly in our opinion, committed perjury on several occasions, 46 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: but her attorney maintains she's telling the truth. It only 47 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: speaks volumes about the Manhattan d A's office, and it's mishandling. 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: In Mike client's case, they used her for months, they 49 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: had all of the evidence that they have now. They 50 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: made her walk through the scene of the crime, at 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: least her most personal therapy and medical records, and sit 52 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: through endless hours of interrogation and pratt. Weinstein walked into 53 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: Manhattan Criminal Court this morning, where a judge dismissed a 54 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: sexual assault allegation made by one of three women in 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: the case, actress Lucia Evans. She had accused the movie 56 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: producer of forcing her to perform oral sex during a 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: meeting at his office back in two thousand four, but 58 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: the single charge was dropped by the judge after the 59 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: court unsealed a letter Manhattan prosecutors wrote to Weinstein's lawyer 60 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: last month about new evidence uncovered. A witness claims NYPD 61 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: detective Nicholas de Gaudio coached her to stay silent about 62 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: evidence partially contradicting evans account of the sex assault allegation, 63 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: allegedly telling her less is more. You're hearing CBS New 64 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: York to reporter Alice Gainer, reporting on the stunning blow 65 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: to the state, joining me Vincent Hill, cop turned p, 66 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: I asked you willcott judge and lawyer Dr Bethany Marshall, 67 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: renowned l a psychoanalyst and now Alexis to reschuck investigative 68 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: reporter Radar online dot Com alexas, what is happening? So 69 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: what's happened is the prosecutors in Manhattan have decided to 70 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: drop one of the sex charges against Harvey Weinstein from 71 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: the first victim who came forward, Lucia Evans. What they 72 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: are saying is that there are multiple examples that they 73 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: have found that contradict her story, her version of the 74 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: attack of Harvey Weinstein. What she said is that he 75 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: forced her to perform oral sex on him, watch to 76 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: masturbate everything that everybody knows about Harvey Weinstein. What they 77 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: said is that one of her friends had been spoken 78 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: to by a detective and said that she had a 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: different story, and that Lucia had told her a different story, 80 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: and the detective told this friend, will you are under 81 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: no obligation to testify, so Harvey Weinstein's attorneys argued that 82 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: this was basically witnessed tampering. The detective was not following 83 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: the right protocol, had basically, in their words, broken the 84 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: law by doing what he was doing, and was damaging 85 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: the case and the judge through the charge out because 86 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: of hers this. The NYPD says an internal affairs investigation 87 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: over the allegations against the detective began a week ago 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: and he is now off the case. The overall criminal 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: case against Mr Wine's team remains strong. The evidence is compelling. 90 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: There are five remaining counts in the indictment, including predatory 91 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: sexual assault. In total, more than seventy women have come 92 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: forward accusing Weinstein of sexual abuse, but Weinstein's lawyers are 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: seeking a full dismissal of the entire indictment. After evans 94 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: allegation was dismissed, we argue that the Lucia Evans perjury 95 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: contaminates certainly count one, but in our opinion, the entire 96 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: grand jury present day. Okay, that's bad. You're hearing again 97 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: from CBS New York to reporter Alice Gainer to Ashley Wilcot, 98 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley, 99 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: is there a way I think that there is that 100 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: they at least can argue, whether it's granted or not, 101 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: that one false count in a multi count indictment can 102 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: destroy the entire indictment. It can. And the problem with 103 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: this is the says the grand jury indicted. I believe 104 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: the prosecution has the right to go forward on all 105 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: of the charges, including the one the court just just dismissed. 106 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: The court said there's no corroboration, that's the credible, so 107 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna dismiss the charge. I don't think the court 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: should be doing that. The prosecution should be allowed to charge, 109 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: excuse me, try all of the charges and then let 110 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: a jury decide. Well, they can represent count six to 111 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: a grand jury, but the dismissal of count six does 112 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: not affect the remaining counts of this indictment. There have 113 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: been many times in a plea agreement when somebody's charged 114 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: with ten felony counts, I'll merge. Let's just say somebody 115 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: breaks in and they're charged with a burglary and they're 116 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: charged with theft of a car. I'll merge them. I'll say, fine, 117 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: you play guilty to the big one burglary and I'll 118 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: drop the theft by taking a car. There's many times 119 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: one count is dismissed and you go forward on the 120 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: other counts. In this case, I doubt, very seriously there's 121 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna be any plea bargaining going on. Alexas Torresturant, I 122 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: just still don't understand what went wrong with Lucia Evans story. 123 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: So two things. Her friend came forward and spoke to 124 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: the detective, and the friends account of what happened was 125 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: different from Licia, so the detective. So I mean, in 126 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: any case, uh visit Hill, isn't this true? I told 127 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: a jury at the very beginning of the case, I'm 128 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: gonna bring onto you one, two, three, four, and be prepared. 129 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: Three and four saw it very differently. They were both there, 130 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: they were at different angles, they saw things differently, And 131 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: then you way what they're going to tell you, And 132 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: in the end, I think you'll agree that X, Y 133 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: and Z is what happened. Every witness doesn't have to 134 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: conform exactly to the other witness. That's right, Nancy. It's 135 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: like that old trick we used to do in school, 136 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: where one person would whisper something in someone's ear. You 137 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: get around the entire classroom and the story was a 138 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: little different, but the facts pretty much were the same. 139 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: So that's exactly what could happen here when you're talking 140 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: about witnesses. A major major blow to the state in 141 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: the last hours, one of the camps against movie mugul 142 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, has been dropped. What does it mean for 143 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the case. How can all these women 144 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: be ignored? Held me down on the bed. I tried 145 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: to get away, tried to get him off of me, 146 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: and kept asking him to stop, but it was impossible. 147 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over onto his back saying, 148 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: don't you feel we're so much closer to each other now, 149 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: to which I replied no. The next thing I knew, 150 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: he had unzipped his fly and pulled out his penis. 151 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: My heart started pounding, my mind started racing, how do 152 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: I deal with this? How do I get out of this? 153 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Am I going to get out of this? I'm telling 154 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: you right now, what do we have to do here. 155 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a shower. You sit there and 156 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: have a drink water, drink, and I stayed on the bar. 157 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: You must have me down. Please, I'm not doing anything. 158 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,479 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't yesterday was a kind of aggressive 159 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: for I need to know a person I think doing everything. Please, 160 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I swear I won't just sit with me. Don't embarrass 161 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: me in the hotel and here all the time. Please 162 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: sit there one minute. I ask you to go to 163 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: the that please. I don't want to do something. I 164 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: don't want to go to the back. Listen to me. 165 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: I want to go downstairs. I'm not going to do anything. 166 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: You'll never see me in after this. It's if you 167 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: if you embarrassed me in this hotel, I'm not embarrassing you. 168 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: It's just that I don't like them feel comfortable. I mean, 169 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: don't have a thing with me. Please, I'm not going 170 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: to do anything. I swear my children please come in 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: on everything. I'm a famous guy. You're being very uncomfortable 172 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: as coming now and one minute and if you want 173 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: to leave when the guy comes to my touch my brace, please, 174 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You just come on. I'm used to that. 175 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: You're used to that coming, you know, but I'm not 176 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: used to that over again. See you're a minute. Please No, 177 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to get this now, you emar you 178 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: will call me again. I'm sorry, right do anything? I know, 179 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: but yes, it was right. I mean I will never 180 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: do another thank you five minutes. You don't love your 181 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: friendship with me for five minutes. I know, but it's 182 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: kind of like it's so sne I just feel like 183 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: I want to throw up after hearing that you were 184 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: hearing when one of the alleged victims of movie mogul 185 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein coercing a young model, Ambra Batolana guitarras forcing 186 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: her or trying to into a sex act. It's disgusting 187 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: and in the last hours, one of the major counts 188 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: against this guy, Harvey Weinstein, has been dropped. Now with me. 189 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: Alexis Rushchuk, writer online dot com investigative reporter, is describing 190 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: how a so called friend of the victim, Lacia Evans, 191 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: says that Lucia told her something different at the time. Okay. Also, 192 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: prosecutors are ap pointing to a letter, a letter that 193 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: she Lucia Evans wrote to a man she later married. 194 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: What was in the letter Alexistrez Chuck Well, again, it 195 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,479 Speaker 1: was a different version of what happened with Harvey Weinstein 196 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: and this but this is what happened she wrote to him. 197 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: She explained it. This is somebody she wanted to marry. 198 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: This is somebody that she was trying to not have 199 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: her whole terrible past exposed to. But it was a 200 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: different version of what she'd been telling prosecutors. And so 201 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Harvey's lawyers had put pointed out to the judge saying, 202 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: this completely contradicts the evidence that the prosecutors are going 203 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: to present, and you must throw this out, and the 204 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: judge did. The judge took sided with Harvey Weinstein and 205 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: his top rated attorney and tossed the charge because of 206 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,359 Speaker 1: her at two Special guest Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst. 207 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany I think they should have gone forward with 208 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: the charge and given it to the jury and explained 209 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: to the jury the inconsistencies. That's what I think. Although 210 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: if you have a detective who's trying to silence a witness, 211 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: that may look so bad that you should just drop 212 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: the count instead of bringing it forward, because now the 213 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: defense may bring that detective on anyway, even if that 214 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: charge is not being given to the jury, just to 215 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: tighten the entire case in front of the jury. But 216 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I really believe that if it were me, I would 217 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: have continued with the count and explained to the jury. Look, 218 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: she planned to marry this guy. She did not want 219 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: to tell him the whole truth. Okay, so she told 220 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: him a partial truth in a letter. I mean, when 221 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: you're courting, you don't tell the object of your love 222 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: every bad thing that ever happened to you for whatever reason. 223 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: As to the friend, and I believe the victim over 224 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: the friend. I would absolutely believe the victim over the friend. 225 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: I keep wondering, what motivation does this friend have to 226 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: throw Lucia Evans under the bus. She's basically saying to 227 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: a detective, Oh no, my friend wasn't really violated. She 228 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed the interaction with Harvey. To me, this is a 229 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: very system. This is what we call a friend of me, 230 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: not a friend somebody who does not support the friendship. Now, 231 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,479 Speaker 1: I would tell the jury what I tell my patients, 232 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: which is there's a difference between having a private life 233 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: and having a secretive life. You don't have to blather 234 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: the contents of your mind to everybody. The fact is 235 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Luccia Evans was perpetrated against. She is a victim, and 236 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: she deserves privacy even in the middle of her victimization. 237 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: She is not obligated to tell the gory truth of 238 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: what happened to everybody. She can tell it to her 239 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: therapist if she wants. She can tell it to her kynecologist, 240 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: to her care providers, to her her medical doctor. But 241 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: she's not obligated to tell a man she wants to marry, 242 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: or her best friend, or a friend she's having dinner 243 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: with that night, exactly what happened between her and Harvey. 244 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: For one, I'm not even so sure it's just because 245 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: she's trying to put her best foot forward with a 246 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: future fiance. Sometimes when people are aggressed against, it takes 247 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: them a while to realize that a bad thing happened. 248 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Look at Monica Lewins. Okay, hold on, hold on, Bethany, 249 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, Dr Bethany. I want everybody on this panel, 250 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Alexis to rest. Chuck Vincent Hill, Ashley Wilcott, Dr Bethany 251 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Marshall in the studio with me, Jackie Howard joining me 252 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: from l A. Alan Duke. Is there one person on 253 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: this panel that has a secret they've never told? Is 254 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: there one person that does not have a secret something 255 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: happened to them or some incident in their life they've 256 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: never told. For whatever reason, I do, and I'm not 257 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: going to when nobody asked me, because it's a painful 258 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: secret and it makes me feel bad and I don't 259 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: like it, and I certainly I am not going to 260 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: go and go, hey, David, guess what. No, I don't 261 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: want to. And that I'm trying to say, in simple, 262 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: very simple terms, compared to Bethany, why should she have 263 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: to tell her husband? Why not whitewash it? I mean, 264 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: that's what happened. And now that letter she wrote to 265 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: her future husband is being used against her. And I 266 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: am so upset, Ashley Wilcott because Lucia is. I'm getting chills. 267 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm so upset for this woman, Lucia Evans, because I 268 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: believe her. I believe when you know when you don't 269 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: know a horse. Look at his track record, Look at 270 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: what Harvey Weinstein has done to all these women, and 271 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: then now this woman's story is getting thrown out. Remember 272 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: this asked you, Wilcot. You're the judge, you're the lawyer. 273 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: It was Lucia Evans, the victim, that introduced the friend 274 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: as a witness. That's right, okay, right, so demaniancy at 275 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: this point, it's an issue of credibility that again the 276 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: prosecution should decide to try or not. As a judge, 277 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to be in the position, 278 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: and I don't think i'd make the decision to dismiss 279 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: one of these counts again, because I as the judge, 280 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not credible. There's this whole other version 281 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: that we've now learned, and so I'm going to toss it. 282 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: I really truly am troubled by the fact that this 283 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: is up to the state to try him for all 284 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: of these different counts, and the state should have that 285 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to do it. So this dismissal of one count 286 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: does not sit well with me as a judge. You know, again, 287 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: when I say I don't know a horse, look at 288 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: his track record, all right, these are called similar transactions. 289 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: You don't believe, Lucia Evans. Listen. Then I went to 290 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Cannes in May two thousand and fourteen, and whilst I 291 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the majestics in 292 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: the lobby. It was quite forceful in the sense of 293 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: telling me to relax, and I think then I started 294 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: to like get a little bit confused. He took hold 295 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: of me and pretty much forced me to walk with 296 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: him to the bathroom where he stood me in front 297 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: of the mirror. Just when you think crime cannot will 298 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: not happen to you, it does in a flash and 299 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 1: there are no second chances. 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Well, 318 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: I had met him in New York previously, um, and 319 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: we had been in touch about an audition for a 320 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino film and I had submitted it to l 321 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: A and then I ran back into him later and 322 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: that's when I met with him at the Peninsula when 323 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: I had moved to the West Coast, so I really 324 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about the Peninsula, like if he was 325 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: staying there. I thought we were meeting at the bar, 326 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: which we did, and then he told me, Okay, we're 327 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: going to my room now, after a few minutes of 328 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: conversation about movie roles. So then we go up to 329 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: the suite and I realized he kind of like has 330 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: a place there and he offers me champagne. And it 331 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: was very similar to her story that he just is 332 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: very dominant, persuasive, does not back down if you say no, 333 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and kind of just forced me into doing something I 334 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to do. I don't want to make you 335 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, but you know, some some people here forced 336 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: oral sex and they think how right? Like, how it 337 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: did he hold you down? Could you just help us 338 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: understand that? I feel like it was a coercive thing. Um, 339 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: just that he wouldn't let it up, that he that 340 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: it was just going to happen no matter how hard 341 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: I refused, And did you said? No? How did it end? 342 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: Did you? How did you leave the hotel room? Um? 343 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: It just that I left after pretty much he was 344 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: done with whatever he intended to do, So I just 345 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: left after. I don't know how to put it. Jeff. 346 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask Jeff, because he's there with you. Your lawyer. Um, 347 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: you filed, you filed the first lawsuit against them, and 348 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: it's not Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, And 349 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Well, first, let me ask ask you, Dominic, 350 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: do you do you Did you ever report it to 351 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: the Weinstein Company or to the board. I did not 352 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: because I had heard a lot of stories about his 353 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: behavior in the past, and I just you know, I 354 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: was an actress looking for a break and he's a gatekeeper, 355 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and he I felt that he used his position, you know, 356 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: to try to make me do something that is not 357 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: in accord with how I usually behave. You were just 358 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: then hearing actress Dominique Hewitt speaking to Making Kelly. Earlier, 359 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: you heard Cardian Noble describing weinstey sex assault on her 360 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: in a majestic hotel in France. You know, it just 361 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: never ends with this guy. And in the last hours 362 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: he's been out in the front of the courthouse waving 363 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: triumphantly as another blow to the state goes down account 364 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: where the victim was. Lucia Evans has been totally dismissed 365 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: because she apparently had written a letter to her now 366 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: husband with a slightly different version of what happened. She 367 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: didn't want to reveal everything, apparently, and some quote friend 368 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: unquote says that she performed a sex act on Harvey 369 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: Weinstein to get a job acting. You know, it's just 370 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: the same old story, Alexis Tourez Chuck, women being attacked 371 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: when you you can't. Here's how it goes down. First 372 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: of all, in my experience of many many years trying cases, 373 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: rate cases, specifically, first that if it says I didn't 374 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: do that. I don't even know her, I've never seen 375 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: her before. Then it's established they were together the night 376 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: of the incident. Then he goes, okay, we were together, 377 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: but nothing happened. Then you have a picture of somebody 378 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: with bruises on their arms or a black eye or 379 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: torn clothing. They go, um, okay, we did have sex, 380 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: but it was consensual. Then you show the bruises, and 381 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: then they go, oh, well she liked rough sex. And 382 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: in the end, I mean, once you go through every 383 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: single defense, they go, well, she's a big party girl. 384 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, this is this is what she wanted. She's this, 385 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: she's that, she's that, she's this, she's a liar. So 386 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: now we're at that stage where the victims are being 387 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: attacked to like this and this is just the beginning. 388 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein has decades attacking women, and he's still doing 389 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: it now, just through his lawyer, and he has been 390 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: able to turn what would have been her embarrassing secret 391 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: that she didn't want to tell somebody into proof that 392 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Even though she has been so vocal 393 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: about it, She's not the only victim. She's she's one 394 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: of many that have come forward so credibly and told 395 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: basically the exact same story over and over and over again. 396 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: But there's also been a problem, and it's really the 397 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: opposite with the Manhattan District Attorney's office because they for 398 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: years refused to prosecute anything about Harvey, and the d 399 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: A was getting campaign contributions from Harvey's attorneys and Harvey's investigators. 400 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: Now they're trying to prosecute it, and they're now saying 401 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't do the right job. They were 402 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: trying to do it in his favor with the detective, 403 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: and that now they're saying that the detective told her 404 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: friend there is something way under note wrong with the 405 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: Manhattan d A's office. There's just too many stories of 406 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: them not prosecuting that, not prosecuting this, not going forward, 407 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: not investigating. I mean, they had this evidence forever, Vincent Hill, 408 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: You're a cock turned p I. They had the victim, 409 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: one of the victims wired that we played earlier. Remember uh, 410 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: that was the sound of Ambra Guterres saying no, no, no, 411 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: you did this to me before. No, I'm not doing 412 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: this again. And they did nothing. They've been sitting on 413 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: this forever. Now they screw up account and drop it. 414 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: It makes you question like is it a power thing? 415 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: Is it a money thing? I mean, why would they 416 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: not investigate this? You heard this young lady basically pleading 417 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: for her safety, and you hear Weinstein, you know, trying 418 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: to get her in this room to do the set 419 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: you act and they don't prosecute. So it really makes 420 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: you wonder what the heck is going on at that 421 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: d a's office that they didn't prosecute this guy way 422 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: back then. Well, I want you to hear what Lucia 423 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: Evans lawyer Carrie Goldberg has to say. Instead of rising 424 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: to the challenge of their mistakes, the d A jumped 425 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: ship at their first opportunity, and Dance has done this before, 426 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: in fact, with Weinstein himself, and we must ask why 427 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: is it so hard to hold rich, powerful predators responsible? 428 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: It raises really serious questions at bias, you know, and 429 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: people always ask why don't sexual assault survivors come forward? 430 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: This is why today is why. That's exactly why Dr 431 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, that is exactly why women won't come forward. Listen, 432 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: this so called friend never gave a different story until 433 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: her father, who was a lawyer, subjected her to a 434 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of questions, and suddenly she doesn't about face and 435 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: changes her story, claiming that the victim performed a sex 436 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: act on Weinstein to get an acting job. You know 437 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: what this woman, Lucia Evans went through to come forward, 438 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: and now this Dr Bathy. It's interesting that the friend's 439 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: father is an attorney, because listening to all this, I 440 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: keep thinking it's just a good old boys club. It's 441 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: Benjamin Braffman calling his friend at the d A who 442 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: calls somebody else and they all strike back. The backdoor 443 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: deals and the maintaining of the men's reputations are more 444 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: important than believing the victims in this case. And I 445 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: think the fact that there's something of a sexual nature 446 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: of Harvey Weinstein's crimes, and that all these prosecutors, these men, 447 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: all these people are men. They're not women that are 448 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: handling these cases their men. And I think there's this 449 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: unconscious need um to protect each other and to believe 450 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: that one of their own could not have suggested a 451 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: woman to this. I have to agree with you. I 452 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: think in this case, for not just because their man, 453 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: but for some reason, they are covering for Harvey Weinstein 454 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: instead of rising to the challenge of their mistakes. The 455 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: d a jumped ship at their first opportunity, and Dance 456 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: has done this before, in fact, with Weinstein himself, and 457 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: we must ask why is it so hard to hold rich, 458 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: powerful predators responsible. It raises really serious questions of bias, 459 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, and people always ask why don't sexual assault 460 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: survivors come forward? This is why today is why I 461 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: agree with the lawyer for Lucia Evans. I am stunned, stunned, angry, distraught. 462 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: One of the charges against multi millionaire movie mogul Harvey 463 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Weinstein has been dropped. I mean, you know, to Ashley Wilcott, 464 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, every witness you put on the standards 465 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: they used to tell my juries. Who do you think 466 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm putting up on the stand nuns and priests and virgins. 467 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: That's not happening. Who do you think is going to 468 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: witness a murder and the middle of a whorehouse? Okay, 469 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the archbishop, all right. My witnesses 470 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: have problems. Okay, they may not be the kind of 471 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: witness that you'd bring home to dinner with your family 472 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving, but witnesses come in all different an array 473 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: of likability, and just because there is a claim against 474 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: a witness, it's not a reason to drop a charge 475 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: of this magnitude, Ashley. No, if that were the case, 476 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: criminal charges would be dropped everything the day, Because you're 477 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: exactly right. You take your witness as you find them, 478 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: and then at your job as a prosecutor to to 479 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: make their testimony credible to the eyes of the jury 480 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: and them to tell exactly what they know about the case. 481 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: That's the nature of our justice system. So again, this 482 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: is one why it was dismissed is beyond me, you know, Ashley. 483 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little story. I once had 484 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: a woman who went by the name Nudy Pride. Okay, 485 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: my children loved the story. And she got mad at 486 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: her girlfriend and set a fire and burned down the 487 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: whole apartment complex. Okay, I don't think that's what she 488 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: meant to do, but that's what happened. Then she sat 489 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: on the hood of her car and drank a beer 490 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: and watched it burn. As I recall the facts. Well, 491 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: all right, who do you think was gonna be my witness? Who? Well, 492 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: I found a witness. When the witness came in, it 493 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: was an I think it was August in Atlanta. Here 494 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: she came walking into the court room. She had a 495 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: huge fake for her hat in August, and I had 496 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: to be hunding in one degrees outside. You could smell 497 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: the booze on her from three feet away. But she 498 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: walked past that jury. They all just looked at me. 499 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, what I mean, what can I do? She 500 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: got up on the stand and she told her story, 501 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: and she was believable. God bless her and Nudi pride 502 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: a k A. I don't know remember her real name. 503 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: I went to jail. She had burned down an entire 504 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: apartment complex. Um long. Nobody was killed. By the way, 505 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that that's just one of many, 506 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: many examples. I could go on and on and on. 507 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: I remember driving around inner city Atlanta trying to find 508 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: another witness, and guess who was leading me around town. 509 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: A convicted rapist who told me this whole story made 510 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: it sound very believable. Okay, whatever I found the witness. You, 511 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: as I used to say to Vincent Hill, sometimes you 512 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: gotta go to hell to get your witness to put 513 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: the devil in jail. In other words, you take your 514 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: witness the way you find I mean, you make the 515 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: best of it, and don't put perfume on the pig. 516 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: Don't try to lie to a jury. I remember trying 517 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: to avoid having to tell a jury that my other 518 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: witness to an ac assault was a stripper. I just 519 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: tried to pretend it was normal that she was at 520 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: at three am and a cheerleading costume. But they saw 521 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: straight through that in a New York minute. And I 522 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: learned at the beginning, don't withhold, don't try to gloss 523 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: over it. Just tell it like it is, Vincent. That's right, 524 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: Tell it like it is, Nancy. Don't try to put 525 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: on the fancy suit for this witness. Present them just 526 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: like they are, because you know the defense is gonna 527 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: eat that alive. So just let people know what it 528 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: is from the get go eat it alive, and and 529 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: then it gives the defense kind of something to latch onto. 530 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: It throws him above own. If you try to cover 531 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: up something about a witness, or just don't tell the 532 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: jury something like oh, yeah, the victims she's as stripper. Okay, 533 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: just tell them, tell them and let it get it 534 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: out and then try your case. You know, I'm just 535 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: so I'm just so depressed about this. Um, I feel 536 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: like I got kicked in the teeth, Ashley, what's that 537 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: all about. It's not my case. I'm not prosecuting it, 538 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: but it's just such a blow. Well, that's because these 539 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: victims are all women, and we can all relate to 540 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: these women. Everyone on this line right now is a 541 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: working female, and as a working female, you have relationships 542 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: with bosson and people that you think, oh, sorry, Vincent, 543 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: I apologize, I forgot your on the line, but we 544 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: all have to admit we have or have had bosses, 545 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: and those people are in a position of trust, whether 546 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: we're male or female, and as a result, we think 547 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: that we can trust them to be appropriate, to be 548 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: a mentor, or maybe they're a crappy boss, but we 549 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: still trust they're not going to sexually assault us. That's 550 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: why this resonates with you so much. I think you 551 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: know to Alexis, to Rose Chuck and all started when 552 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: Weinstein got the green light to bring in the victims emails. Okay, 553 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: and what do we believe we're in the emails? Alexis, 554 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: It was a lot of her personal history, but the 555 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: one email that really triggered this was an email she 556 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: sent in two thousand fifteen. So before all the news broke, 557 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: before anybody knew what Harvey Weinstein had done outside of 558 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: the people in Hollywood that had known about it for decades, Well, 559 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: what did what do we believe? We believe that it's 560 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: it told a different story. It did not say that 561 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: Harvey had attacked her the way that she has described 562 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: it to other folks. But this was to a man 563 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: that she was dating, and he eventually became Oh so 564 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: that okay. So that is when I'm saying letter, It 565 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: was that email. Okay. There are still multiple felony counts 566 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: against Weinstein. Let's just pray and hope that the truth 567 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: comes out in court. And on another note, I want 568 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: to ask you a tough question and ask me and 569 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: I've talked about this many times. Alexis and I have 570 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: talked about it many times. Dr Bethany and Vincent and 571 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: I have analyzed it. When it does happen. What would 572 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: you do if your child suddenly went missing? Mine did? 573 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: John David went missing one time, and a Giant Babies 574 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: or a superstore, and those few moments for some of 575 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: the worst moments I have ever had in my life. 576 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: Do you know what to do well. I want to 577 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: tell you about a new online video series, Justice Nation 578 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: Crime Stops Here, and it deals with the fact over 579 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: four hundred fifty thousand missing children are reported every year. 580 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: Four hundred and fifty thousand. 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