Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat
Speaker 2: about life and relationships.
Speaker 3: All while we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.
Speaker 4: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tunny. Well, Hi,
Speaker 4: welcome back to Desperately Devoted. Hello, my favorite podcast that
Speaker 4: I've ever hosted. Well, we get to rewatch Desperate Housewives
Speaker 4: every week.
Speaker 3: This week we.
Speaker 2: Are rewatching episode twelve, which was amazing, and Weerson and Andrew.
Speaker 2: How was your week. I've missed you. I love seeing
Speaker 2: your little faces.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was a really busy week.
Speaker 5: It was a combination of busyness and fullness and so
Speaker 5: much gratitude and surging pregnancy hormones that made me feel
Speaker 5: totally out of control. And I was googling in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night, like what is pregnancy rage? And
Speaker 5: I found out that there is a thing in their
Speaker 5: third trimester which I'm now in of pregnancy rage.
Speaker 1: And oh, thank god for online communities.
Speaker 5: Not always sometimes there's scary bad places, but in pregnancy,
Speaker 5: I think, oh, thanks for my people letting me know
Speaker 5: that what I'm feeling is totally valid. And okay and normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I kind of have that with
Speaker 2: the sandwich videos I'm doing about caregiving on my Instagram. Yeah,
Speaker 2: creating a community and podcasts do that, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to do here.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, I alwish your week.
Speaker 2: My week.
Speaker 3: My week has been good. I mean, I'm working. I'm
Speaker 3: working really hard on a pitch that I a movie
Speaker 3: I'm pitching, and it's really been one of those incredible
Speaker 3: experiences when you drop into a story that you feel
Speaker 3: so passionate about telling, and a part of you feels like,
Speaker 3: you know, what this is actually already been told and
Speaker 3: thinking about I mean, slightly different, but that kind of
Speaker 3: connectivity of how you feel a part of something larger,
Speaker 3: you know, whether in the case of Desperate Housewives it's
Speaker 3: the community of a street, the way the community of
Speaker 3: the neighborhood comes together in your case, Andrea, finding online forums,
Speaker 3: in the case of our podcast right now, you know,
Speaker 3: finding our listeners and thinking what makes us feel not
Speaker 3: alone in the world. I've really been meditating a lot
Speaker 3: on this week. How I think the idea of being
Speaker 3: truly no by another person is the biggest gift.
Speaker 6: That we and can have I mean known, I guess
Speaker 6: seen as part of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes I think we're seen and we aren't
Speaker 3: actually known. And to be known by someone and recognized
Speaker 3: in that way, I think, you know, when thinking about
Speaker 3: the idea of Martha Hooper, like what constitutes an exciting
Speaker 3: life or in her case, an exciting death as we
Speaker 3: get into in this episode. But I feel like, to me,
Speaker 3: an exciting life is a life where I feel that
Speaker 3: I am known by the people around me. I love that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm committed to continue to know you, re
Speaker 5: meet you through all of your many colors and phases
Speaker 5: of life.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing that you would put it that way, though, too,
Speaker 2: because it makes me think about how sometimes we are
Speaker 2: not able to broaden our view of somebody like they
Speaker 2: are what they are when we first meet them, and
Speaker 2: if we know them for decades, we don't actually let
Speaker 2: them evolve into maybe a different version of themselves, which
Speaker 2: reminds me of what Susan and Edie go through a
Speaker 2: little bit in this episode, which we'll get to all.
Speaker 2: I got to ask you first, though, has anybody desperately
Speaker 2: devoted to anything this week?
Speaker 6: For me, it was my.
Speaker 2: Pillow because I, like you, was very busy and super
Speaker 2: tired and overworked and overtraveled and overvirused, and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to be in my bed on my pillow at
Speaker 2: all times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So for me, it was my pillow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it is my mother.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: I am so desperately devoted to my mom. I feel
Speaker 5: so extra connected to her throughout this pregnancy. And I
Speaker 5: just have to say that one of her gifts to
Speaker 5: me at my shower was to bring me which you
Speaker 5: both saw, the outfit that I wore when she brought
Speaker 5: me home from the hospital, and she has kept it
Speaker 5: in pristine condition and she gave it to me, and
Speaker 5: that is what I'm going to bring my little girl
Speaker 5: home in. So it's beauty much, but that's what I'm
Speaker 5: devoting to.
Speaker 6: Wait to see that.
Speaker 3: That was the most beautiful, little yellow baby outfit. God,
Speaker 3: it made me so happy. I think I'm desperately devoted
Speaker 3: to my Spotify playlist right now. I make playlists for
Speaker 3: each project i'm writing, and I have one for the
Speaker 3: project I'm pitching later this week. And I was kind
Speaker 3: of stuck in the story and I put it on
Speaker 3: and I went for a long drive and I really
Speaker 3: like to do that. I sometimes like let myself watch
Speaker 3: how I imagine the movie would unfold and what the
Speaker 3: soundtrack might be. And so music has really been a
Speaker 3: great unsticker. It's unstuck me from various Yeah.
Speaker 2: Inspire me a lot of ways about music in my life,
Speaker 2: and I've had other people suggest that to me, and
Speaker 2: I find music can be a good unsticker.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so speaking of music, Yeah, this episode episode twelve,
Speaker 3: every Day a Little Death comes from the stephen Son
Speaker 3: Time musical A Little Night Music from nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1: This one aired on January sixteenth, two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: I know we're into five, we're out of two thousand
Speaker 3: and four. I love it.
Speaker 2: And my highlight reel for this episode, which by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm now referring to it as my highlight reel because
Speaker 2: it's football season and I'm a huge football fan and
Speaker 2: I love everything football and I had football on all
Speaker 2: day yesterday and so but the forty nine ers lost
Speaker 2: and that was sad, and they lost badly so and
Speaker 2: they're a lot of their team is beat up. So
Speaker 2: that's not a good sign for my team. But anyway,
Speaker 2: my highlight reel on episode twelve was Missus Hooper's death.
Speaker 2: Death is confirmed, your body is found? Lynette Is she
Speaker 2: uses the false assumption that her son has cancer to
Speaker 2: help her get into the overbooked yoga.
Speaker 3: Class that a new parenting low to me. I mean
Speaker 3: to go from gum and the hair to my childhoods
Speaker 3: a terminal illness, so I can just please let me
Speaker 3: into yoga is really karmically. I think you're circling the
Speaker 3: karmic drain. There.
Speaker 2: I love that image, circling the karmic drain. And car
Speaker 2: Wills is out of jail. He's home, but he's also
Speaker 2: on house arrest. So he's home, but he's also stuck.
Speaker 6: And he gets.
Speaker 2: It in his head that the way to be the
Speaker 2: man of the house and control Gabby is to replace
Speaker 2: her birth control pills with some sort of talk about
Speaker 2: circling the drain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, I mean this is abhorrent to me,
Speaker 3: and I have so much to say about it, but
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in it.
Speaker 6: We'll get involved with your heart.
Speaker 2: Then we have Brie, who continues to hang out with
Speaker 2: George even though she is really using it as a
Speaker 2: friendship and understanding that it's not going to evolve into
Speaker 2: anything more romantic. So she's with her wacky pharmacist who
Speaker 2: proceeds to shoot his toe off at a shooting range.
Speaker 3: Where date really ended in a bang.
Speaker 6: Nicely done.
Speaker 2: We need a drum roll, but yeah, and then Edie
Speaker 2: ropes the very guilty Susan, who feels so because she
Speaker 2: knows that she burned Eddie's house down. She ropes her
Speaker 2: into going out to a remote lake to spread missus
Speaker 2: Hooper's ashes. And for me, those were my highlights and
Speaker 2: I love the themes that came up around them. Do
Speaker 2: you guys have anything to add well?
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask because you mentioned the Edie and
Speaker 3: Susan in the rowboat scene, which I totally want to
Speaker 3: get into, and I want to hear about if you
Speaker 3: remember filming that and where that was shot. But there's
Speaker 3: a line that Edie says to Susan, and just because
Speaker 3: you mentioned the forty nine ers, where Edie says, I
Speaker 3: bet you were a cheerleader in high school. And I
Speaker 3: laughed at this because and I thought maybe you could
Speaker 3: speak to it. You were actually an NFL cheerleader, not
Speaker 3: in high school, but for the San Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 1: Ers asert photo here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But I think that is very I thought,
Speaker 3: as your daughter, oh my gosh, that is so counter
Speaker 3: to how you have talked about your actual experience in
Speaker 3: high school. And I just I wanted to hear your
Speaker 3: if that line stood out to you in the way
Speaker 3: that stood out to me.
Speaker 2: It did not, But I do understand what you're saying,
Speaker 2: and I feel like a couple of things. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's no reason we don't have there's no reason to
Speaker 2: go in order of the episode, really, but I think
Speaker 2: this was a very resonating area between Susan and Edie,
Speaker 2: and for me, it was a couple of reasons. One
Speaker 2: I thought people would really relate.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 2: And I think this is what you're alluding to, Emerson,
Speaker 2: is this idea of so Edie says to Susan, we
Speaker 2: never outgrow high school, that who you are in high
Speaker 2: school is who you continue to be, and that in
Speaker 2: high school, she assumes that Susan was the cheerleader and
Speaker 2: popular and everybody's friend, and that Edie was more of
Speaker 2: like the bad girl who was smoking and getting into trouble.
Speaker 2: And these two groups of people do never co mingle
Speaker 2: and even past high school and on into life, they
Speaker 2: never would either. And that's the sort of conceit that
Speaker 2: Edie puts out there. At the same time, she all
Speaker 2: So is taking Susan up to this remote lake to
Speaker 2: spread what Edi expresses as her best friend, missus Hooper's ashes,
Speaker 2: And I have a personal experience with spreading someone's ashes,
Speaker 2: So I wanted to share and discuss like both of
Speaker 2: those things. So to answer your question about I mean,
Speaker 2: and I'm interested to see what you guys think. I
Speaker 2: think that Edie is sort of right that people in
Speaker 2: a way don't outgrow their high school position. I think.
Speaker 2: But it's sort of like I said to you earlier,
Speaker 2: I would hope that they would. I would hope that
Speaker 2: I did, and I would hope that people would let them.
Speaker 2: And I think these things are they're different. Like your
Speaker 2: ability to outgrow your high school self, I think is
Speaker 2: very accessible. If you do the work, I think you
Speaker 2: can evolve into a better, more or just broad better
Speaker 2: person than most of us were in high school because
Speaker 2: we didn't know anything. But sometimes people don't want to
Speaker 2: let you. And it is a very interesting thing. Was
Speaker 2: I was on the dance team in high school, and
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: A cheerleader adjacent it.
Speaker 2: Is, and I was captain of the dance team seconds.
Speaker 6: But you know, I look at that.
Speaker 2: And I think of it as the responsibility it held.
Speaker 2: And if you're really challenging me to go deep on,
Speaker 2: what is that journey? And it's actually kind of painful.
Speaker 2: I don't really like in hindsight that I feel like
Speaker 2: I've held positions of responsibility that I either didn't want
Speaker 2: or wasn't ready for. And in my high school, I
Speaker 2: was on this drill team and I was the captain.
Speaker 2: But like California at the time, it was like Prop
Speaker 2: thirteen and public school has lost all their tax money,
Speaker 2: so they fired our advisor. Like we didn't have college advisors,
Speaker 2: we didn't have. All these people lost their jobs, so
Speaker 2: I didn't have an adult supervisor over the drill team supporting.
Speaker 2: So I was in this position as a seventeen year
Speaker 2: old being like telling girls what to do, and it
Speaker 2: was my position to try to carry that out to
Speaker 2: the best of my ability to have a drill team
Speaker 2: that could compete against other schools, and we often won.
Speaker 2: We were not we were the featherets, and we were
Speaker 2: known for winning the act nut. But I don't think
Speaker 2: I wanted it. I just got it, you know. And
Speaker 2: I think about my role as an only child in
Speaker 2: a pretty problematic household of parents fighting and trying to
Speaker 2: like make the peace and create an environment that would
Speaker 2: be better for all of us, which also was not
Speaker 2: my job. And if I think about it, I just
Speaker 2: feel like maybe that I end up in that position
Speaker 2: where I and I wonder as it applies to Susan.
Speaker 2: I don't know that somebody who I think of her
Speaker 2: character as as somebody who actually things don't necessarily go
Speaker 2: well for and she isn't always like the winner of
Speaker 2: the best guy, you know, and her love life doesn't
Speaker 2: always work out, and she doesn't seem powerful to me.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is my view in hindsight twenty years later.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I was thinking these.
Speaker 2: Things when I was playing it, but I think look
Speaker 2: at the two of them, and I think of Edie
Speaker 2: as going through the world and getting what she wants. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think of confidently, and I think of Susan not.
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting because I think I can see
Speaker 3: Edie's I think I am thinking about my physician in
Speaker 3: high school, which I don't know if I still occupied today,
Speaker 3: but in some ways maybe I do. I was always
Speaker 3: a very floater in high school, Like I floated between
Speaker 3: a lot of different social groups. I was friends with
Speaker 3: the popular kids. I would get invited to parties, but
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily like sit with them at lunch or
Speaker 3: go back to their houses after school or hang out
Speaker 3: with them all the time. I was really integrated into
Speaker 3: the musical theater scene, which my school was much more
Speaker 3: of an athletic school, so we had a very small
Speaker 3: kind of nerdy.
Speaker 1: But arguably the best group to be around.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would argue that we had a very
Speaker 3: small nerdy group there. I was also one of the
Speaker 3: editors of our lip magazine, so that was also its
Speaker 3: other kind of subset. And I floated between all of
Speaker 3: these different social groups in a way that was great
Speaker 3: but also kind of left me fundamentally on my own.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I had connections to a lot of people, but not like, oh,
Speaker 3: I I the bell rings for lunch, I know exactly
Speaker 3: what table I'm going to to sit at. Oftentimes I
Speaker 3: actually went to my English teachers classroom and ate lunch
Speaker 3: in his classroom, which.
Speaker 6: I think that says a lot about who you are now.
Speaker 3: It does say, yeah, and I do.
Speaker 2: Think of you as somebody who everyone likes and your
Speaker 2: friends with everyone, Well.
Speaker 3: Thank you. And I love people and they're my species
Speaker 3: and I like to be friends with them. But I
Speaker 3: think I now I kind of while I was definitely
Speaker 3: not like the bad girl smoking cigarette of God, I
Speaker 3: do not smoke cigarets in Edie's perspective, but I was
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a loner the way that
Speaker 3: she is, and I can see her perspective that you're
Speaker 3: viewing is very powerful. I think some of people who
Speaker 3: know me might view me as powerfully kind of going
Speaker 3: from thing to thing in my life, there is sometimes
Speaker 3: a fundamental aloneness in that, like, yes, I go after
Speaker 3: the things that I want, but I go after them alone,
Speaker 3: and I take care of them myself alone. And so
Speaker 3: for Edie, looking at someone like Susan, who we maybe
Speaker 3: can view as potentially a more character, but who does
Speaker 3: sort of seamlessly fall into the community of the other
Speaker 3: women on her block, even if it's while they're consoling
Speaker 3: her for the various mishaps going on in her life,
Speaker 3: she sort of has a place that I could imagine
Speaker 3: Edie looking at and envying because Edie doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 3: you know, the same seat at the high school lunch
Speaker 3: table that community.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's really so speaking as someone
Speaker 5: who went to high school on the back lot of
Speaker 5: Universal Studios and I was the only one there, and
Speaker 5: my studio teacher I.
Speaker 3: Did it was also Drew Barrymore's studio teacher, Yes.
Speaker 5: Who was also Drew Verrymore's childhood studio teacher for a
Speaker 5: lot of her career. I didn't have any sort of
Speaker 5: tent poles community of this is where the cool kids sit,
Speaker 5: this is where the class clowns are, this is the
Speaker 5: you know, artsy people that I mean. It was just
Speaker 5: me and I sort of kind of fit, I would say,
Speaker 5: in a lot of those different boxes. But I will
Speaker 5: say the other thing that I thought about based on
Speaker 5: this particular storyline was how hard it is to make
Speaker 5: friends as an adult.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people relate to that.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you have these built in opportunities
Speaker 5: for friendship when you're a child growing up, because you
Speaker 5: have school, and you have sports, and you have you know,
Speaker 5: all different kinds.
Speaker 1: Of things clubs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're already batched together with kids in your
Speaker 5: same age range and maybe some of your same interests
Speaker 5: if you're exploring hobbies or extracurriculars. But when you're an adult,
Speaker 5: you know it's much harder and you don't always the
Speaker 5: people you interact with on a daily basis are For
Speaker 5: a lot of people, the people they work with and
Speaker 5: their commonalities might be work related, but it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: mean they vibe outside of that. And I remember when
Speaker 5: I moved back to New York after Desperate Housewives ended,
Speaker 5: and I was excited to go back to where I
Speaker 5: grew up and just kind of get out of LA
Speaker 5: for a little while and explore being in my mid
Speaker 5: twenties in New York City.
Speaker 1: I had had a lot of childhood.
Speaker 5: Friends in New York City, but a lot of them
Speaker 5: had since grown up, been moved and started new things,
Speaker 5: And so I did, for the first time in my life,
Speaker 5: feel like I had to actively go out and seek
Speaker 5: new friendships as a mid twenty something, and I remember
Speaker 5: really feeling like, this is hard, This is hard. I
Speaker 5: even had a moment in a coffee shop once where
Speaker 5: I was like desperately trying to bond with someone that
Speaker 5: I thought seemed cool, and I was just trying to
Speaker 5: It felt like I was like flirting because I was
Speaker 5: trying to be witty and I was trying to be
Speaker 5: charming over something about like the stir sticks or something
Speaker 5: so uninteresting. But I wanted so badly for her to
Speaker 5: see my sense of humor or for her to see
Speaker 5: And then what did I think was going to happen?
Speaker 1: That I was going to be like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: want to take my number and hang out?
Speaker 5: Like I didn't even know where to go with it,
Speaker 5: but I felt this desire because.
Speaker 1: She seemed cool. I don't even remember why, and I
Speaker 1: just thought, this is how you do this? How else
Speaker 1: do you do it?
Speaker 2: I think you're making though really good point. And as
Speaker 2: a single woman for like decades, it has been something
Speaker 2: that I have thought about a lot, investing in new friendships,
Speaker 2: investing in friendships with other single women, because you know,
Speaker 2: my married friends, most of my friends are long term married,
Speaker 2: most of my closest friends, and while they make themselves
Speaker 2: available to me and we do things all the time,
Speaker 2: they still have their husbands and families are always going
Speaker 2: to be their first priority. And so in finding single
Speaker 2: women that were older that were forty to fifty now
Speaker 2: sixty years old, that I could interact with. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a conscious effortful thing. But I would recommend to anyone
Speaker 2: of any age get out of your house, do things
Speaker 2: that you're interested in, and don't be afraid to introduce
Speaker 2: yourself to people.
Speaker 6: Don't be I hear prof G. Do you you listen
Speaker 6: to him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear him talk about this in regards to
Speaker 2: young men like that, they just don't have the confidence.
Speaker 2: And I would just encourage anyone listening to get out
Speaker 2: of their comfort zone, meet other people, find common interests,
Speaker 2: have community with actual humans in person.
Speaker 6: I think it's really good for your.
Speaker 5: Life, and invite the invite the person to the poker game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I am so the proponent.
Speaker 3: I have totally made some friendships by talking to people
Speaker 3: in coffee shops who later have gone to my friends
Speaker 3: and then like, I don't know if she was flirting
Speaker 3: with me or she wants to be friends. Well I
Speaker 3: did want to be friends. But I was gonna say
Speaker 3: in Edie's case, I actually think it makes sense that
Speaker 3: Edie and Susan are paired up, and often they're sort
Speaker 3: of paired up in scenes as adversaries, but they are
Speaker 3: the two single women on Mysteria Lane and Edie just
Speaker 3: wants to be invited to the poker game. And so
Speaker 3: if you can, you know, find someone who's also single
Speaker 3: who will accidentally burn down your house and then feel
Speaker 3: so guilty about it that they for the rest of
Speaker 3: your they invite you to a pogram after hosing down
Speaker 3: human remains off of you on your lawn, which I
Speaker 3: have to say, that scene where Edie shoots you down
Speaker 3: with the hose yeh is so funny. And I want
Speaker 3: to circle back to your.
Speaker 2: The memories of Ashes, So my memories are loose, and
Speaker 2: again I think I've said this kind of thing before.
Speaker 2: What I remember, in a very general way is that
Speaker 2: everyone cared that those scenes were good.
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like they felt like worthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they felt like worthy moments. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I don't have specifics, unfortunately, but I just feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, Nicolette was great, and I will again make
Speaker 2: a bid for I think they missed the boat on
Speaker 2: the Nicolette, I mean, on the Edie Susan storyline, because
Speaker 2: as you're pointing out, they were the only two single people.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been an interesting show and
Speaker 2: maybe it still is as a spin off. To see
Speaker 2: two people that seem very like they would not like
Speaker 2: each other and they would have nothing in common, like
Speaker 2: slowly grow that friendship into a thing where they need
Speaker 2: each other. Like that would have been something I would
Speaker 2: have liked to see.
Speaker 3: And I'm lobbying for the Susan Edie spin off.
Speaker 2: Right, So I don't think we do really see that
Speaker 2: in the show. But like I don't remember any of
Speaker 2: the episodes. I mean, that's another thing that comes up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's coming up for you, Andrea.
Speaker 2: I watched this thing and I'm like, I don't remember
Speaker 2: any of this. It's so great that and if I
Speaker 2: do remember it, like the scene with Cody where well,
Speaker 2: we'll come back. But I was sticking with this scene
Speaker 2: and when she hosed me off from on the lawn,
Speaker 2: like I have some buried memory of just being.
Speaker 6: Like, oh my god, this is happening. She's gonna squirt
Speaker 6: me with that hose.
Speaker 1: But like I have only done that once.
Speaker 5: I probably, I mean, they would have taken way too
Speaker 5: long to dry you off and need it.
Speaker 1: We probably did it all nailed it on take one.
Speaker 2: But what I noticed, because I wouldn't have seen this
Speaker 2: when we were shooting it. She goes behind me, Nicolett
Speaker 2: goes behind me, and she's got the most glorious like smile,
Speaker 2: you know, like just chest your cat grin. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so but I would never have seen that, you know.
Speaker 2: And I just I love, I really love them together
Speaker 2: on screen. And I think the Eedy character is incredibly
Speaker 2: powerful and the way Nicholette does is amazing. When Catherine
Speaker 2: Jusin died, who played Missus Missus McCluskey, who were about
Speaker 2: to have introduced, I think it's like one or two
Speaker 2: more episodes, So I'm excited for that because she's so great.
Speaker 2: Oh she's amazing, so great. So she and I were
Speaker 2: friends and so much so that I after she died.
Speaker 4: Her.
Speaker 2: Son and daughter in law came to me and said,
Speaker 2: we were just talking about what are you going to
Speaker 2: do with her ashes? And I think Emerson and I
Speaker 2: were getting ready to take one of our epic trips
Speaker 2: to Europe, yeah, which I mean we traveled a lot
Speaker 2: in the summers during when she was in high school,
Speaker 2: going to different restaurants, and that was like our thing,
Speaker 2: to take these big vacations. And I said, should I
Speaker 2: take some of her ashes and spread them around the world.
Speaker 2: And they said that Catherine would have loved nothing more
Speaker 2: than being everywhere in the world, Like that would have
Speaker 2: been her favorite thing to know that she was everywhere.
Speaker 2: So I actually brought some pictures, but like the behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, I was.
Speaker 3: Going to say, the one thing that she would have
Speaker 3: actually loved more than being everywhere in the world would
Speaker 3: have been seeing the absolute hannish it induced it to
Speaker 3: spread the ashes around the world.
Speaker 6: Was big responsibility.
Speaker 3: And more than that, my mom is such a rule
Speaker 3: follower right about that. You know, she hears, oh, you can't,
Speaker 3: you know, technically without a permit spread someone's ashes in
Speaker 3: the ocean, and you know, it's like a tablespoon of
Speaker 3: ashes if that. And we are on a boat and
Speaker 3: she's like with the bag of ashes behind her back,
Speaker 3: like waddling to the back of the boat, looking side
Speaker 3: to side, making sure, and then like get go go
Speaker 3: on the ocean, Go on the ocean. And then we'd be,
Speaker 3: you know, at some beautiful cathedral and we'd be out
Speaker 3: in here gardens and she'd like waddle over and be like, okay, Emerson,
Speaker 3: make sure no one's looking.
Speaker 6: And then she like.
Speaker 3: Thrown her shoulder and run away, and I think she
Speaker 3: would have gotten a real kick out.
Speaker 6: Of here, right, she would have.
Speaker 2: Emerson actually videoed me. I'm like, I do this whole
Speaker 2: thing where I tell the story about why her family
Speaker 2: gave me the ashes and that Catherine would have loved this,
Speaker 2: and so like, I'm gonna swim out into the ocean
Speaker 2: with this amount of ashes, and she's gonna be here,
Speaker 2: and so I like swim out and I'm about to
Speaker 2: like and we are literally like in the middle of
Speaker 2: note like a boat has dropped us off on some
Speaker 2: private beach and we're in the middle, and I'm like
Speaker 2: about to put the ashes, and this god in a snorkel,
Speaker 2: like a creepy FBI spy snorkel, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: start laughing. I of course don't do it, because now
Speaker 2: there's a witness, like an arbitrary s lone snorkling man
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Mediterranean. And then so we
Speaker 2: cut the video, the snorkeling guy goes away. We're back
Speaker 2: to having the beach by ourselves, and I tell the
Speaker 2: story in the video about how I think Catherine would
Speaker 2: have liked that moment of humiliation for me of more
Speaker 2: than even what we were doing. And so so that
Speaker 2: is the only person's ashes I have ever spread. My
Speaker 2: mom has talked to me about me wanting me to
Speaker 2: spread her ashes. If anybody's ever been to the Laguna Montage,
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful hotel.
Speaker 6: Have they have?
Speaker 2: It has a walk, it's it has a walk along
Speaker 2: the ocean with you know, plants and flowers, and Grandma
Speaker 2: wants her ashes and I'm like, Okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 2: It's probably wasted, but Mom, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's going to be way more public than the Mediterranean,
Speaker 3: that's too. Speaking of being arrested, I do I was
Speaker 3: really taken with Gabby and Carlos's storyline in this episode
Speaker 3: of I Mean for a host of reasons. Carlos returns,
Speaker 3: he has a fantastic anklet, he's on house arrest. We
Speaker 3: get some really great comedy which I think has actually
Speaker 3: been turned into a meme that my friends will sometimes
Speaker 3: send around of Gabby sitting on the other side of
Speaker 3: the curb eating the fried chicken and the French fries
Speaker 3: out of the bucket while Carlos is suffering with.
Speaker 6: His alarm.
Speaker 5: Going on those fences that they can't go past.
Speaker 3: So sad, but it's also not sad because Carlos is
Speaker 3: a bad man in this episode and honestly in previous episodes. Also,
Speaker 3: I really struggle with Carlos's character because he decides that
Speaker 3: he wants Gabby to have a baby, despite her saying
Speaker 3: numerous times that her uterus is not up for debate,
Speaker 3: and again things that feel politically timely today. Man, he
Speaker 3: decides he's going to tamper with her birth control, so
Speaker 3: she's taking Placebo pills. This brought up a few different
Speaker 3: macro questions for me. I mean, obviously, this feels as
Speaker 3: a woman deeply violating and like, I mean, dare I
Speaker 3: go as far as saying a form of assault, you know,
Speaker 3: to have someone get pregnant against their will by tampering
Speaker 3: with their medication. But it also brought up like two
Speaker 3: kind of bigger themes for me that I was thinking
Speaker 3: about in this episode. One is staying with your partner
Speaker 3: through tough times. The conundrum that Gabby is faced with
Speaker 3: when Carlos returned Burns on house arrest, going to jail
Speaker 3: kind of looming potentially or just be having this limited
Speaker 3: lifestyle where he's stuck.
Speaker 2: In his house and you could also argue that bri
Speaker 2: and Rex are you know, like I know personally people
Speaker 2: who have survived affairs, you know, in real life. So
Speaker 2: I mean it's just another humpin in a relationship to
Speaker 2: get over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then this kind of balance of confessing and asking
Speaker 3: for forgiveness. I mean, Carlos is not at the point
Speaker 3: yet of confessing what he's doing or asking for forgiveness.
Speaker 3: But you see Susan confessing to Edie. You also see
Speaker 3: Lynette unintentionally being forced to confess that she's been lying
Speaker 3: about her kid having a terminal illness and asking She
Speaker 3: doesn't really ask for forgiveness. She says, I'm never going
Speaker 3: back to that ya studio.
Speaker 1: And does she switches to at home yoga?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she probably shouldn't. But brought up two questions
Speaker 3: for me. One, have either of you ever had a
Speaker 3: lie that has spiraled out of control that you've either
Speaker 3: you know, gotten away with until this podcast? Where can
Speaker 3: you tell me or gotten caught and had to confess for?
Speaker 3: And Two, where do you fall on the pros and
Speaker 3: cons of toughing it out when the person that you
Speaker 3: are committed to or even you know that could be
Speaker 3: a friendship commitment. I know in this case we're looking
Speaker 3: at relationships and marriage types of commitments, you know, falls
Speaker 3: on a time that really makes them not maybe be
Speaker 3: their best and most vibrant self.
Speaker 5: Well to your second question, I would say grounds for
Speaker 5: divorce are entirely permissible when someone is tampering with one's
Speaker 5: birth control. I agree, So I think that's a tough
Speaker 5: it out type of dynamic. I also agreed that I
Speaker 5: didn't remember that storyline, and we've talked a little bit
Speaker 5: about how much more problematic Carlos is in this rewatch
Speaker 5: to all of us or to Emerson for your first time.
Speaker 5: But this behavior is just probably the worst thing that's happened,
Speaker 5: and I'm curious to see where that goes. I do
Speaker 5: think that the idea of sticking it out is one.
Speaker 1: That has evolved a lot over the years.
Speaker 5: I think when I look at relationships of people in
Speaker 5: my life that are older, their idea of sticking it
Speaker 5: out was because in a marriage format anyway, was I
Speaker 5: made a commitment. This is what marriage is. There's no
Speaker 5: you can't go back on that commitment. It's sacred and
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. I have to stay right. The idea
Speaker 5: of I have to stay. I don't think that rule
Speaker 5: is really as strict for people of my generation and
Speaker 5: future generations. And sometimes I think maybe we're getting too
Speaker 5: loose with it, where it's like the first sign of
Speaker 5: a bump and.
Speaker 1: We're out because we feel like life's too short.
Speaker 5: And I don't want to feel like I'm, you know,
Speaker 5: on home arrest because of something that this person did.
Speaker 5: I don't have to be changed to this person who
Speaker 5: made a mistake. And so I think it's like a living,
Speaker 5: breathing thing. For your other question, I am so uncomfortable
Speaker 5: with lying. I really am a bad, bad, bad liar,
Speaker 5: and I'm almost a chronic truth teller in a way
Speaker 5: that's also not great. I've definitely had times in my
Speaker 5: life where I've made the decision to overshare in the
Speaker 5: attempt to garner someone's respect and trust and for them
Speaker 5: to feel like, wow, well she's so transparent that you know,
Speaker 5: I have to give her credit for that or something.
Speaker 5: And so if I fall anywhere, I almost fall on
Speaker 5: striving to be so honest that sometimes I think I
Speaker 5: could hold that back. But I don't think I could
Speaker 5: live with a lie that just kept spiraling out. I
Speaker 5: would come clean too soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: pull it anna up to think that I've never lied
Speaker 2: about anything. So while I don't think I want to
Speaker 2: discuss like the couple of untruths that maybe played out
Speaker 2: when I was younger, because like I said, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say those things never happened at this point
Speaker 2: in my life, I agree with you, like I just
Speaker 2: can't get caught up in not telling the truth and
Speaker 2: not because there's been something that was went wrong, just
Speaker 2: because it's too much energy, Like I just it's too
Speaker 2: much energy.
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean, I think we see these characters,
Speaker 3: you know, the lengths to which Paul is going to
Speaker 3: cover up whatever lie is happening there, the lengths to
Speaker 3: which Rex has gone to cover up his affair, landing
Speaker 3: him in the hospital with a heart attack, The lengths
Speaker 3: which Susan goes, which you know, ultimately she's not an
Speaker 3: incredible liar, which I think is a good trait to.
Speaker 1: Be bad at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good trait, and I do
Speaker 3: think you're right. I think it takes a lot of
Speaker 3: energy time to then it as things spiral, continue to
Speaker 3: cover your tracks, and ultimately that just hurts the person
Speaker 3: who's telling the lie, even if the lie starts from
Speaker 3: a place of trying to protect other people or other
Speaker 3: people's feelings. Ultimately, I think it it hurts the people
Speaker 3: around you.
Speaker 5: And I did just a thought that just occurred to
Speaker 5: me while we were talking about this particular scene and
Speaker 5: Carlos calling the pharmacy to man, you know, to get
Speaker 5: Gabby's birth control refilled and delivered.
Speaker 6: To the house.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if it's the same pharmacist. I'm wondering if
Speaker 5: he was on the film with George.
Speaker 3: Oh, George pharmacist.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's just that one guy.
Speaker 1: One guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's how it is that
Speaker 3: the CVS I go to, because it takes for effort,
Speaker 3: there's just one pharmacist back there.
Speaker 2: I will say, in terms of getting over bumps, the
Speaker 2: one thing that I have reflected on as again being
Speaker 2: single since basically I was forty, that I will say
Speaker 2: to older friends of mine that are considering getting divorced
Speaker 2: that and it doesn't mean that I'm not sorry in
Speaker 2: any way that I got divorced. And I'm thrilled for
Speaker 2: your dad with his current situation. He's been married longer
Speaker 2: than he was married to me. It has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with a reflection of like, oh, that shouldn't have
Speaker 2: gone that way. But I do recommend to my friends
Speaker 2: who are getting divorced to not live in a fantasy
Speaker 2: that somehow you're going to get divorced and then you're
Speaker 2: just going to like meet the perfect person that doesn't
Speaker 2: challenge you in any way and it's just all going
Speaker 2: to be wonderful and easy, because that's the way it
Speaker 2: was always meant to be.
Speaker 6: Like, if you need to get out for.
Speaker 2: A number of reasons, some more serious than others, then
Speaker 2: do it, But don't do it thinking there's going to
Speaker 2: be a.
Speaker 6: Savior on the other side.
Speaker 2: Like do it and understand that you may be living
Speaker 2: out your life as a single person in a I
Speaker 2: think I live in a very robust way. I'm not
Speaker 2: living out in longing or desire. Not to say I
Speaker 2: wouldn't welcome a relationship if it could happened, but like
Speaker 2: it just I think women I think arrive in their
Speaker 2: forties and sometimes they feel empowered. They feel like I'm
Speaker 2: done putting up with this shit, Like I can take
Speaker 2: care of myself. Like a lot of things that I
Speaker 2: felt or that I agree with, but it just don't
Speaker 2: do it without having really reflected on who you are,
Speaker 2: your honest part in what is wrong with your current relationship,
Speaker 2: like really try to be honest with yourself.
Speaker 1: It makes me that great advice.
Speaker 3: It makes me think actually of this Joni Mitchell quote,
Speaker 3: this great Joni Mitchell quote that I heard. She was
Speaker 3: talking about relationships. This was many years ago, but it's
Speaker 3: really stayed with me. And she says, if you want
Speaker 3: endless repetition, date a lot of people. If you want
Speaker 3: endless variety, stay with one. And this idea that when
Speaker 3: you are dating initially, when you start to date, when
Speaker 3: you're in those early stages of a relationship, you run
Speaker 3: all your best material. You know, you tell your funniest stories,
Speaker 3: and you're the most charming version of your highlight reel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's your highlight reel. And it's really you falling in
Speaker 3: love with yourself through someone falling in love with all
Speaker 3: the best qualities of you. And if you're with someone
Speaker 3: for a long time, you know inevitably you were going
Speaker 3: to look like an asshole to them at some point
Speaker 3: they are going to look like an asshole to you.
Speaker 3: But navigating through she says, and I agree, like navigating
Speaker 3: through those spaces of turmoil and of disillusionment and then
Speaker 3: still knowing each other. Back to the idea of how
Speaker 3: how do you live your life in a way that
Speaker 3: you're truly known by the people around you That ultimately
Speaker 3: creates a space that is ever evolving and more padded
Speaker 3: and more safe and and in her opinion, can you
Speaker 3: know sustain you for a lifetime.
Speaker 2: I I got to see her at the Hollywood, But
Speaker 2: can I jump to the gun range?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 6: Because so Brie.
Speaker 2: In this episode is very much still struggling with if
Speaker 2: she should stay with Rex, and she's you know, they're
Speaker 2: they're in a horrible They're still in their horrible divorce,
Speaker 2: anger and resentment and all of that. And she's still
Speaker 2: monking around with dating the wacky, wacky pharmacist George. And
Speaker 2: he buys her this antique gun, which she gets very
Speaker 2: excited about and in a public park, waving it around
Speaker 2: in a public park.
Speaker 3: I love the bait and switch of He gives her
Speaker 3: this box that looks like, Oh, is it going to
Speaker 3: be chocolates? Is it going to be a bracelet? She goes, Oh,
Speaker 3: she looks at it before we see what it is.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, George, this is so beautiful. This means
Speaker 3: so much to me. And then we see and it's
Speaker 3: a gun, which also, yeah, whoa. She takes the gun
Speaker 3: out in the park and people don't scatter it.
Speaker 5: She's waving it around, sitting on a little picnic blanket.
Speaker 1: It's madness.
Speaker 2: But anyway, they go to the gun range to use it,
Speaker 2: and she's trying to teach George how and then he
Speaker 2: tries to kiss her and she jerks away and then
Speaker 2: he shoots off his toe. But which you know, as
Speaker 2: as as you does as you do. But has have
Speaker 2: you guys been to a gun rate because I have,
Speaker 2: and I kind of wanted to tell.
Speaker 5: You I have not, but I did play a cop
Speaker 5: in a lifetime movie and I had to learn how
Speaker 5: to properly hold a gun.
Speaker 2: You know, make you feel anyway, just as I hated it,
Speaker 2: You hate it?
Speaker 6: I hated it? Okay, how about you?
Speaker 3: My friend keeps trying to get me to go Clay
Speaker 3: pigeon shooting.
Speaker 6: That I was going to talk about.
Speaker 3: Well, go ahead, because I haven't gone yet.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but wait, didn't you shoot rifles? Weren't you
Speaker 2: the best rifle shooter as a nine year old.
Speaker 3: I went, yes, yes, I wait, why a pase no?
Speaker 6: I went.
Speaker 3: I had a very brief stint of going to summer camps.
Speaker 3: They weren't my thing. Chronic only child, didn't like organized anything,
Speaker 3: being told I had to do anything at a certain time.
Speaker 3: But I did go to summer camp in Reno, Nevada.
Speaker 3: This is, of course, where they would let nine year
Speaker 3: olds be shooting rifles and there was a rifler I
Speaker 3: mean these were like two barrel shotguns. There was a
Speaker 3: riflery course, which I probably took to because it was
Speaker 3: like the thing you had to be the least athletic
Speaker 3: to do because you're laying on your stomach. But I
Speaker 3: actually I got really good at it over the summer,
Speaker 3: and I remember, I.
Speaker 6: Feel like you came home with a ribbon. I'm sure rifle.
Speaker 3: No, well exactly. I think that is where my rifle
Speaker 3: recent stopped because I got back to LA and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I loved shooting guns, and they're like, well, that's never
Speaker 3: gonna happen again. So I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Like you're in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: BID recently did go with my friend who knows a
Speaker 2: lot about guns. I mean, that's the thing you don't
Speaker 2: want to go with unless you're with somebody who's taking
Speaker 2: it seriously, who knows what they're doing, like it's not
Speaker 2: a frivolous hobby. And I take guns very seriously. I
Speaker 2: think I would lean to the They make me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But I sort of decided I need to learn about
Speaker 2: this so that not necessarily to have one, but just
Speaker 2: so that I'm less uncomfortable. And my great friend Matt,
Speaker 2: he took me to arrange out in like northern Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: and it was really fascinating because we were doing the
Speaker 2: clay pitching thing with the shotgun, and first of all,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of muscle and a lot of like
Speaker 2: my shoulder after we finished basically an hour of shooting
Speaker 2: was I don't think I could move my shoulder for
Speaker 2: the next like.
Speaker 6: Day or so. It was very sore.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it was a great learning curve because at
Speaker 2: first I completely sucked and I didn't even get close
Speaker 2: to hitting it at all. And then he did this
Speaker 2: great thing which made me learn something about myself. He
Speaker 2: videoed me and then he showed me the video and
Speaker 2: he said, do you see what you're doing right before
Speaker 2: you pull the trigger. Do you see how you're jerking
Speaker 2: your shoulder back. That is why your.
Speaker 6: Aim is off.
Speaker 2: And I realized about and right after he showed me,
Speaker 2: I did it and I hit three in a row,
Speaker 2: and I happened to be wearing camouflage pants and I'm
Speaker 2: going to show this video also I am such a badass.
Speaker 2: It was a very bad ass moment. And I own that, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I hang on to that because it was
Speaker 2: kind of a I was surprised that I was able
Speaker 2: to do that, but it taught me something about myself,
Speaker 2: and I wonder that I'm a visual learner like you.
Speaker 6: He could tell he was.
Speaker 2: He was telling me for fifteen minutes, don't move your body,
Speaker 2: don't move your back, don't move like he was audibly
Speaker 2: telling me what I was doing wrong, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: translate it into physicality. And as soon as I looked
Speaker 2: at it, the next thing, I never missed one. Like
Speaker 2: it was just like boom, boom boom. And it made
Speaker 2: me think, like that makes sense because I'm a dancer
Speaker 2: right in my bones, and I would be looking in
Speaker 2: a mirror at choreography and looking at my own body,
Speaker 2: and like, does that look right what I'm doing? And
Speaker 2: so maybe that's how I learned things.
Speaker 3: Well, just speaking of being a badass, I have to say,
Speaker 3: and I did write down while watching this episode, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, Bree is so daddy right now. With this
Speaker 3: gun behind George and the way she says, you have
Speaker 3: to hold it like you're holding a beautiful white dove.
Speaker 3: I know, what a combination.
Speaker 6: It's tight enough to kill it, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Also what a combination of war and peace imagery. A
Speaker 3: white dove is a piece. And then but it's a
Speaker 3: gun she's talking about.
Speaker 2: I think the gun was from World War two too.
Speaker 2: I think you might have said that, yeah, makes that
Speaker 2: imagery there's really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a fraud image. I just have
Speaker 3: to say. Obviously it ends with terrible timing on his
Speaker 3: part to lean back and try to kiss her wall
Speaker 3: shooting the gun. But what have you ever had a
Speaker 3: date that? Like, what's the worst way a date has
Speaker 3: ever ended?
Speaker 5: I have a bad kissing date story, So it's not that.
Speaker 5: But I will say my husband loves this story. I
Speaker 5: feel bad for the person it's about, but he loves
Speaker 5: laughing at this story because it's really it really is.
Speaker 1: A bad look for me, which is okay.
Speaker 5: So I'd gone on a date, a first date with someone,
Speaker 5: and the first date was good. I would say it
Speaker 5: was fine slash good. It wasn't amazing, but it was fine.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: We went on the date, we went to a comedy show,
Speaker 5: we went for drinks afterwards. At the end of the night,
Speaker 5: I let him kiss me good night. Okay, that's the
Speaker 5: first date. And then he asked if he could take
Speaker 5: me on a second date. I said sure, because, like
Speaker 5: I said, it was fine us right b plus and
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, we'll see. So we go on
Speaker 5: a second date and we just go to dinner that time,
Speaker 5: and halfway through the it'd been bothering me. He reminded
Speaker 5: me of someone and I couldn't place who this person
Speaker 5: reminded me of it halfway through dinner I realized he
Speaker 5: reminds me of my brother Alex.
Speaker 3: Oh yes.
Speaker 5: And then of course I was like, well, that's the
Speaker 5: end of this, and how do I wrap this thing up?
Speaker 5: Because I cannot sit across from this person who thinks
Speaker 5: we're on a romantic date. Now that I've realized he
Speaker 5: reminds me of my brother, and so that's in my
Speaker 5: head the rest of the time.
Speaker 1: We get through the date. He's driving me home, he's
Speaker 1: dropping me off.
Speaker 5: Of course he thinks, well, we kissed on the first date,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna go in again, and so he does,
Speaker 5: and of course I'm like, my brother's about kiss me.
Speaker 5: So I turn and he kisses my cheek and it's
Speaker 5: very awkward. And because I am a people pleaser and
Speaker 5: because I wasn't good at sitting in the awkwardness or
Speaker 5: just being honest in that moment, even though I'm a
Speaker 5: chronic truth teller, he was like, oh, you turned And
Speaker 5: I said, well you can try again, is like the
Speaker 5: worst thing.
Speaker 1: So he does try again, and I turned my head again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like such an asshole. He must
Speaker 1: have been like, what is she playing again? What is this?
Speaker 1: She is horrible?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then I send him the next morning like
Speaker 5: a I didn't tell him he reminded me of my brother,
Speaker 5: but I send him a nice worded text of you know,
Speaker 5: I just don't see this going in that direction.
Speaker 2: Whatever, but okay, I'm not a pretty with a one
Speaker 2: liner of a date that Vanessa Williams set me up
Speaker 2: on a date with a British guy once who I
Speaker 2: slept with on the first date, and after it was over,
Speaker 2: he told me it looked like I had a tail,
Speaker 2: but that was because that needs a little more common Well,
Speaker 2: it means that my tailbone structurally sticks out of like
Speaker 2: I have an extra vertebrate bray. I guess I broke.
Speaker 2: I broke my tailbone, and so my tailbone sort of
Speaker 2: like sticks out a little bit, and it might to
Speaker 2: an an inappropriate British person prompt them to say, you
Speaker 2: look like you have a tail.
Speaker 6: That was the end of that.
Speaker 3: Thanks, I have a first date end of a date
Speaker 3: story that reminds me a little bit of yours. Andrea,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm dead. You can try again, and
Speaker 3: you turn again. So I had been on a first
Speaker 3: date with someone who I knew for a little while.
Speaker 3: I think he kind of thought it was romantic. I
Speaker 3: was like, hmm, being open to like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna say yes to more things and like meet new
Speaker 3: people that maybe I wouldn't typically date. And he planned
Speaker 3: He called my friend before he planned, like what would
Speaker 3: she like where she liked to go? Took me to
Speaker 3: a nice restaurant. I was like, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: little bit of chemistry. And then he had another plan
Speaker 3: after and the other plan was to go to an
Speaker 3: after dinner we went to this art thing. And we
Speaker 3: went go to the art thing, and it's like this
Speaker 3: weird psychedelic art exhibit in downtown lay we have to
Speaker 3: like lay on the ground and there's all these interact which, honestly,
Speaker 3: it would be cool if you were with someone you
Speaker 3: wanted to be like laying close to and like.
Speaker 1: On your shoulder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And when I realized between dinner and arriving there,
Speaker 3: I wasn't physically feeling it, not just because now I'm
Speaker 3: dating women, but I just it wasn't it wasn't there
Speaker 3: for me. And then we have to like suffer through
Speaker 3: laying and dure all these things, and he's kind of
Speaker 3: trying to like hold my hand and be romantic and
Speaker 3: I'm like recoiling. And then we finished that and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get to go home and he goes. So now
Speaker 3: for part three of the day, and it turns out
Speaker 3: we were going to like a music venue he'd also plan.
Speaker 3: So it just was this endlessly torturous night and finally
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have to go home. Please take me home.
Speaker 3: He drives me home into I have like an outdoor
Speaker 3: parking structure in front of where I live the building,
Speaker 3: and he drives into the parking structure and he walks
Speaker 3: me up to my front door and we're kind of
Speaker 3: standing at the front door and he's like, things, this
Speaker 3: date has gone amazing because we've been on it for
Speaker 3: eight brigan hours now, and he goes, so, can I
Speaker 3: like come inside to see what the you're the loft
Speaker 3: looks like smooth, and he kind of like leans in
Speaker 3: and I lean back and I go the gate opens
Speaker 3: automatically on your way out.
Speaker 5: You want to know what?
Speaker 2: Almost did a spit take? That was the perfect time
Speaker 2: the first take. I I can't believe that.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, this episode wraps up with Mary Alice saying
Speaker 2: death is inevitable. We hope something will happen to us
Speaker 2: romance family, great loss to make our lives meaningful. We
Speaker 2: want that for ourselves. But do we just sit on
Speaker 2: the sidelines waiting for something to happen before it's too late?
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like her reflection that she
Speaker 2: leaves us with. So I think we want to leave
Speaker 2: you this episode with reflecting on how to make your
Speaker 2: life as great as you can, how to make it
Speaker 2: as fool as you can, and.
Speaker 6: We're devoted to helping you do that. So thanks for
Speaker 6: joining us again.
Speaker 2: And we'll see you well.
Speaker 6: We'll share with you next week.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll share with you next week
Speaker 6: Because we are desperately to you