WEBVTT - How Bethenny Frankel honed her instincts 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.120 What do you do when life doesn't go according to 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.719 plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one, 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.080 or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.720 is now What a podcast about pivotal moments as told 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:19.400 by people. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.400 Who lived them. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.640 Each week, I sit down with a guest to talk 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.400 about the times they were knocked off course and what 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:30.400 they did to move forward. Some stories are funny, others 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:36.680 are gut wrenching, but all are unapologetically human and remind 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.680 us that every success and every setback is accompanied by 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:45.720 a choice, and that choice answers one question, now. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:45.720 What. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.800 Did you ever have any idols or icons that you 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.080 looked up to, either beauty wise, talent wise. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.480 No, just people that I love, like crushes like the 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.880 Matt Deale Ends of the World and the Andrew McCarthy's 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.520 and to me later on, to me Moore, she really, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.920 I really did, Like I thought she was amazing. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.240 I did too and do later on like. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.200 That Era that was like she was a god to me, 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.840 Like when she shaved her head, I was like, there 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.679 is a there is a god for me. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.480 It was more around about last night and like I say, 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.920 it almost fire. I just thought, she's such a cool 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.040 actress and she has just such this great life, and 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.880 she's a rob low in this movie and that like that, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.800 that's why that that documentary that's coming out, The Brat 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.840 Pack is going to be so amazing because it's such 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.120 an interesting time in our lives. And they were the 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.240 kids that were like that got it and then it 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.679 later it was like nine oh two, one oh. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.039 Hello, listeners, did you miss me? I really hope you 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.640 missed me. I took some time off to shoot a 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.240 movie in Thailand, and while it was an absolute blast, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.600 I'm really excited to be back home in New York 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.640 and back in front of the mic, ready to share 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.640 with you all. Today's guest is a great one. Bethany Frankel. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.800 She is a widely successful entrepreneur, a New York Times 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:13.000 bestselling author and og of the Real Housewives franchise, a podcaster, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.080 a beauty influencer, and most importantly, a mom to a 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.000 beautiful teenage girl. We met through mutual friends, and I've 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.720 watched in awe as she moves flawlessly from one venture 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.680 to another. Bethany is funny, She's resilient, and she's so 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.600 open about her life. And the many lessons that she's 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.080 learned along the way. I loved having her on the 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.120 show and left our conversation inspired by her hustle and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.320 her passion to try something new. So, without further ado, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.440 here is Bethany Frankel. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.080 Hi, Hi, how's it going. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.960 It's going? Well, it really, really really is. It's just 0:02:59.440 --> 0:02:59.839 a lot. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:00.880 Yeah. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.840 I am so happy to have you on the show. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.560 I feel like I am so busy. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.760 But then I look at you and I think, oh god, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:08.760 I don't know how you keep it all together. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:09.640 I don't know. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.200 I think I like, I had a sort of wanting 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.520 to retire, kind of like doing less, and I was, 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.600 and then now it's a little busier. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.600 But I don't like to be overtly busy. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.040 I don't like define happiness by like the calendar being full. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.840 I don't define that as misery. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.040 I agree. So what do you like in particular? Do 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.240 you like vacation? Do you like a balance? 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.960 You know, I'm the problem is it's either boredom and nothing, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.280 like I'm sitting around in pajamas and never leaving the house, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.680 or a day like yesterday where I'm doing back to 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.040 back interviews and stacking and feel like I was abused 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.560 by the end of the day. So it's not there's 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.840 not It's hard to find a balance because I'm not 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.520 a person that really I don't like shop or lunch 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.520 as an activity, so I'm always just in pajamas and 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.400 so I kind of do everything's whatever activity I do 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:00.960 with my daughter. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.600 So it's I'm kind of boring. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.360 And your daughter is thirteen. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.240 Yes, yep, she's thirteen. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.880 Tell me a little bit about the joy of a 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.320 thirteen year old girl. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.919 Honestly, I feel like I'm supposed to really complain about 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.040 this crazy time. She's pretty I don't know, she's pretty easy, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.200 and it's weird because she's thirteen and everyone's saying it's 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.240 this crazy time, and people kept talking about tween and 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:24.920 tween and tween. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.880 I think it hits at a different time. I got 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.599 one of mine hit then and the other one didn't, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.080 and then just hit later. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.400 It's like I feel I think my theory is. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.960 That they they have to find reasons to hate us 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.719 to justify becoming independent because there are babies. They really 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.160 don't technically want to leave us, especially if they don't 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:45.920 really hate us. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.400 Right, I get Yeah, I mean, I maybe I'll find 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.560 out later. I mean, we definitely have our moments, but 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.640 I don't know. I kind of like snap back on 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.240 the leash. I don't really allow for a lot of 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.239 complaining if it's not really grounded something. But she's gotten 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.279 really good at using her voice and expressing herself because 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.360 we had a really challenging time through this extraordinary, horrible divorce, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.359 and she learned how to just really understand that you 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.560 should if something's bothering you or youre upset with something, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.560 you should express it, whether it's to me, whether it's 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.920 to her friends. And she's very good at that, so 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.840 she's not stifling a lot of stuff. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.640 Do you see similarities in the two of you of 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:26.919 when you were that age? 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.919 I don't remember being that age at all. I really 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.680 don't remember anything. I was very adult, very young. I 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.560 was going into night club I mean, so were you. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.360 I was going into nightclubs, you know, like the Palladium 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.640 and the Tunnel at fourteen. So I can't even believe 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.279 that they are little kids. And they are a little kids. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.440 So I don't understand how I was and a little kid. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.200 I don't because it's not about who taught you, like 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.279 it's like, what did I look like? 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:49.640 I don't know. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.960 I just don't understand how I was doing adult things 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.520 at that age when I look at her. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.599 I mean, you've spoken about this, so I'm not saying 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.200 anything that you haven't already said. But it was far 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.160 as how you grew up. You said that it was 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.960 a tough childhood. Your parents divorced right when you were 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.760 really young. Yes, and because your dad was he was 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.000 a famous horse trainer, and that mean you had to 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.840 move around a lot. Yes, how did your mom? Did 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.760 your mom just like give you such free rein or yeah? 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.240 I mean I just read that's such a long conversation. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.719 That's just growing up at the racetrack and growing up 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.600 in a very fast life and a lot of substance 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.279 abuse and just not a child you know, physical abuse, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.479 a lot of cop calling and crazy stuff, so not 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.880 a lot of childhood. They're just like dealing with stuff 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:37.960 that adults were dealing with. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.280 How do you think that shaped you? 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.000 I don't know specifically. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.640 I know that I was just always like alert and 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.080 analytical and a wreck in my house. That there's but 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:48.440 I just you don't know any different. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.760 There was just well, you don't know what to expect 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.760 when you're living in a house that has alcoholism or 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.600 any type of substance abuse. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.320 You eating disorder, bolimia, alcoholism, drugs, like I kind of 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.359 had it all gambling, It was all like it was 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.839 I lived in a crazy house. But it wasn't it 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.680 was fun house kind of it was action. I don't 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.920 even know to say it was an action house. It 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.080 was a lot going on. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.240 There was a lot of moving. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.679 They were either just we had only a card table 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.680 in the house or six cars in the driveway. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.000 My mother used to bring in people. I'd be like, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.280 who's the that isn't that the kid from the gas station? 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.640 And she'd be like, yeah, he needs a place to say. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:28.400 Oh yeah, well I had. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.240 We had a lot of stragglers, but ours were like 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.680 gamblers and like bookies, bookmakers and like jockeys agents. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.080 It was a lot of men and there was a lot. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.000 There's a lot of like degenerates living in my house. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.080 How did you protect yourself against the from them? 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.320 I don't know. I don't. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.680 I'm I think it's why I am the way I 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.000 am now. I'm extremely tough. That's why, don't you know? 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.680 I I'm beyond resilient. And tough and like I could, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.360 there's not much I can't deal with and so I'm 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:58.200 just used to that. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.240 I'm used to that survival mode. Yeah, it's fucked up. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:01.440 I was. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.720 I grew up in a very, very fucked up environement. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.040 I like, I try to think about it, and I'm like, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.400 that's insane, Like it just it's not even like woe 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.400 is me because I am so tough, so it doesn't matter, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.520 like who cares? But it's it's and it's not a 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.280 shield I'm covering up or anything. I definitely am emotional 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.480 sometimes I'm just feeling emotional about it right now. But 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.760 I don't think about it that often, not because I've 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:23.280 blocked it out. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.720 I just it's so long ago. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.360 Just it's just it's, you know, I grew up in 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.119 a nasty, nasty house. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.840 I've fet so hard for a child without a sibling. Yes, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.559 it makes you tough, and you know, I don't know 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.400 if you get sick of being called a survivor, but 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.400 I'm always called a survivor. And when I think about 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:48.400 how many different ways my life could have gone and 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.960 why I didn't become a complete fuck up or self destruct, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.840 I don't know why or how was there. I just 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.920 am curious for you if there was a moment in 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.040 your life that you think you see could have gone 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.160 a very very different way. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.680 I think I was very analytic. I'm I'm. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:11.800 I was always alone and I was always thinking. I 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.200 just remember always being analytical and trying to analyze it 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.800 because no one was telling me anything, and I had 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.720 no guidance and I didn't have any role models, and 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.800 so I was always working things out on my own. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.280 And I see my see that in myself now. I'm 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.280 always working things out of my own and playing chess 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:26.719 in my head and figuring out how it's going to 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.600 happen and fix it, and and often do. I don't 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.960 really see any kind of barriers. And I do think 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.080 about like it's it's a miracle that I was not 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.079 a drug addict or things like that. But I'm always 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.840 a person who's needed to be in control. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.679 Did you have best friends, like did you have best, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.719 best loyal friends? 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.559 I had different I since high school, yes, but as 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.319 a child child, yes, different. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.840 People along the way. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.080 But we I went to thirteen school, so I was 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.400 never in this school two years in a row. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.319 And was that because you moved Why why was that? 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.319 Yeah, because my step we moved. We moved a lot. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.080 We moved a lot lot, like from the city aso. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.679 Far as we're running away from something or. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.720 In one case my stepfather said that the mafia was 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.520 after us. In another case it was like moving on up. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.320 It's the same thing with the card table and the 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.679 six cars in the driveway. It was just like a 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.760 very it's a racetrack lifestyle. You have to like understand 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.400 it to know it. But anybody who's listening, who knows 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.280 anybody who grew up around the race truck, it's just 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:38.160 this like bizarre, dysfunctional action gambling highs and lows lifestyle. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.520 My mother just used to do it at the Delhi. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.840 We only like did our picks through the Delhi. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.200 Oh yeah, no, Like I was going to Vegas at 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.720 thirteen at the craps tables. And because my stepfather, who 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.880 was a horse trainer, his uncle was Don Rickles manager. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.400 So we'd all go for three weeks to Vegas and gamble, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.880 and then we'd go to Saratoga this summer to the 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.720 racetrack and I didn't go to camp or anything. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.800 I would sit at the jockeys room and. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.880 That kind of where gambling is involved. How did did 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.480 that teach you anything about business? 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.360 I would say just the racetrack taught me so much 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.079 about just street smarts and competition. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:16.040 Winning. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.559 There's no you know, nobody cares who came second in 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.760 the Kentucky Derby. Although it's such an incredible accomplishment just 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.199 to get to the Kentucky Derby, it doesn't it's a touching. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.600 Story if you lose by a nose. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:32.880 So just winning, just just winning and competition and action 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.720 and highs and lows and and upstairs downstairs, you know, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.640 like the racetrack is an amazing place where billionaires and. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.160 Uh hot, I was a hot walker. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.600 That's the person who cools the horses off in the morning, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.560 you know, walking them around the shed. But billionaires and 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.120 grooms of horses interact. You know, it's a down n 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.200 abby type of upstairs downstairs thing. So I'm kind of 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.880 great in any situation. I can inter act with anyone 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:01.839 and do. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.520 And just good life skills. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:05.760 You know. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.280 It's it's a world, it's an environment, and it's pretty tough. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.400 What about instincts do you think it because I don't 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.880 with gambling or gamble is where do instincts play a 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.000 role in gambling. Is there such a thing? 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.160 I think it's more the instincts are more about being 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.640 so heightened from all the earlier childhood stuff. If you 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.760 like our people, there are there are studies about people. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.760 People who are children of addicts or dysfunction or abuse 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.920 pick up on so many more things in other people 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.280 than just people who had normal lives, because it's these 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.800 not just triggers, but it's just it's this noise inside 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.520 of you. It's just something that you just can You 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.640 can just feel. You can feel when someone's jealous, when 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.719 they don't do anything, when they're not saying anything, when 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.960 they're just you just can feel when they're jealous, or 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.480 when they're competitive, or when they're tricky or not trust worthy, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.559 or have like eating issues, or you could just feel 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.400 these things because you grew up around all these triggers, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.600 so you just kind of can feel addiction, you can 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.040 feel someone else's stuff. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.160 I think I was an adult so very early. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.280 Don't resent it, never poor me, don't have a pity 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:19.679 moment in my life. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.200 I don't. I think it made me sharper. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.360 We were definitely bohemian, and just one minute we were 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.439 here in the next minute, we were there, and my mother, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.240 would you know, it got to the point where she 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.840 would just pick up jobs for me by meeting some 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.319 random person, and you just had to go along with it. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.679 We just had different worries and different growing up too. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.600 The kids are worried about other things, like it seems 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.360 really big to them. The stuff that happens at school, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.720 like homework is overwhelming. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.000 And daunting for them. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:48.480 So maybe I didn't care that much about Homer, but 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.120 they think it's such so stressful when you know most 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.000 of them are going to end up being fine if 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.000 they don't pass that one test, but they're stressed out 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.680 about so many things. So it's just different types of stress. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:58.199 I think. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.320 I called this show now What because it's about those 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:16.160 pivotal moments in people's lives, and you've had I'm sure many, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.480 and I usually wait for this question at the end, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.080 but there's so many of those moments that I believe 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.840 you must have had. Is there one that sticks out. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.120 Like as a positive? This is amazing kind of moment, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.000 Like any. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.640 Kind, there are positives, there are negatives, there are scary ones, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.600 there are all there's no where you just sort of 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.560 said Okay, now what do I do? 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.120 Oh, I mean, I have a it just popped in. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.600 Two things popped into my head, and one was when 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:47.640 I didn't get to be on the Apprentice Donald Trumps 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.280 season two because the regular person's Apprentice, because I was broken. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.560 I just wanted some help to I was in my 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.040 thirties too, to like get a job and be something, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:57.640 because no one is really ever going to take care 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.000 of me. And I wasn't anywhere and I wasn't successful, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.840 I had no money, and I was a mayor. I 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.840 just like so that was a real blow to not 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.240 get it. But I've always been a person that just 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.080 brushes myself off and picks myself up and just keeps going, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.120 even though I don't know which direction and didn't know 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:12.360 that that. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.360 Still was young and all that. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.600 That was one and the other one was I don't 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.280 know that I actually felt this then, but I thought 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:21.640 of it when you just said it was when I 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.400 was on the cover of Forbes magazine, because that was 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:29.920 insane and crazy and ridiculous, like that's a ridiculous thing 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.360 that happened to me. That's insane, and by the way, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.160 that's held up like ill. I will tell anybody who 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.640 would ask, like, that's like my sort of claim to fame. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.080 But those are two very, very different. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.920 Well I would say that I don't think, yeah, one 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.840 hit wonder is not what comes to mind when I 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:47.200 think that. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.000 But those are two. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.200 Incredibly polarized experiences. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.440 Yes, how did you interpret them? What did you did? 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.400 You just laugh at it? 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.520 I guess one is the result of the I mean 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.400 one was like, this was gonna be my chance and 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:04.640 I was going to get a job. I just wanted 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.720 a job the first time. I just wanted a job 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.320 that was consistent that and to prove that I could 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.960 get there, because I bet somebody in a restaurant someone 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.440 said you would never get on that show. You might, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.440 you know, I will get on that show or something. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.080 And I said, you mark my words, I'll get on 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:21.480 that show. And I didn't even know how to get 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.240 on a show or what that entailed. And I didn't 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.680 have a video camera nor know how to use one 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.120 or anything so that. But I just wanted that job, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.800 and I wanted that competition, and I was excited by that. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.280 And I went through this whole process of a week 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:39.360 of psychological testing and emotional testing and sequestering and it 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.080 was brutal week of being alone. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.120 And then I didn't get it. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.040 Did you do that on your own accord or they 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:45.640 set that up? 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:46.400 No, they do. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.040 It's this whole thing that no one ever talks about. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.840 I don't know why they don't talk about the process. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.440 It's like a military thing. You go to the Double 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.560 Tree Hotel in Santa Monica for one week, and every 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.280 day it's like emotional psychological test. You're not allowed to 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.280 talk to another human being. You're in your your own 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.440 room alone and you can all go downstairs for fifteen 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.080 minutes to go get lunch, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.240 you cannot make eye contact. You can't talk to anyone 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.000 because they could be on the show with you. And 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.080 you do this and some people start getting sent on 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.200 the second and third day. If you've made it the 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.119 whole week, you've made it. So I made it the 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.320 whole week, and they made me an alternate. They picked 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.600 eighteen people. I was the nineteen. So I was torture 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.119 because I was there the whole week thinking I was 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.880 getting it, dreaming, begging, secreting, like you know, manifesting, crying, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.920 I'm broke, like I need it, like torturing myself because 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.640 I'm so obsessive and can't go anywhere, can't do anything. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.480 And then at the end of the week, I didn't 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:34.760 get it. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:35.720 So that was a low. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.920 And everybody always pretends that they just landed on these shows, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.080 like it just happened. You just fell off of an 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.720 apprentice tree, when it's so intense. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:45.520 How did you not become bitter? 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:46.760 Because I'm not like that. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.360 I'm just like I got banged up and I put 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.679 the band aids on and then that was it. And 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.639 then I went to the Kentucky Derby that year actually 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.639 and like drank and had fun and finaggled and figured 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.560 out like how to afford to go there and stay 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.000 in a hotel room with a bunch of different people, 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.480 And then I ended up getting onto the Martha Stewart 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.000 Apprentice of Mark Burnett, and I took another whole week 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:05.760 and got to I. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:06.879 Mean, all I had was weeks. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.880 I was broke, and it was actually a place where 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.080 you're being fed and it's free for the week, because 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.080 I was totally broke. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.880 But then that week I nailed it. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.719 Was that the start of financial and business success. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.000 The very that was the very start that was like 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.320 a kernel. That was not really the start, that was 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.280