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Speaker 1: number three of the Herd. Obviously I'm not Colin. I'm

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Speaker 1: Chris Bruce Hard and I'm joined by my man Jason

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio studios. We've been having a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: fun will continue. We got Eddie House, NBA champion and

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Speaker 1: j back, let's go to Golden State and Rick Bucher,

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Speaker 1: FS one NBA analysts. I've known we worked together at

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Speaker 1: yesterday and he talked about some of the reporting he's

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Speaker 1: done in this Golden State Kevin Durant situation, and he

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Speaker 1: had some intriguing news here. It is. I was in

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Speaker 1: point being made that Steph was not opposed to KD

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Speaker 1: more than Lebron James m all right, he said a

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Speaker 1: lot there. Let's not get into the macin nations of

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Speaker 1: what it would take to get Kevin Durant right to

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Speaker 1: go and say, because that's complicated. But here's what I

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Speaker 1: to look at a potential reunion from Steph Curry's perspective.

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Speaker 1: Should he want this well, Chris, you always want to

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Speaker 1: get better, right, And obviously Kevin Durant one of the

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Speaker 1: best players in the league. I'd say he's a top

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Speaker 1: seven player in the NBA. Of course he's gonna make Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but what do you think he's won? No, but I

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Speaker 1: four at least. Listen, I'll just say, in head to

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Speaker 1: a better player right now. Kevin Durant is played ninety games.

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Speaker 1: He's played ninety games in the last three years. Bro.

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Speaker 1: This is not twenty seventeen. KD obviously still awesome. He's

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Speaker 1: you have a crystal ball into Kevin Durant's future health

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Speaker 1: four September you might not have. Might I'm not take

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Speaker 1: that out of the issue. Forget. Don't put injury in

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Speaker 1: Is Kevin Durant at this moment in time, Jason Tatum

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Speaker 1: when they play, Jason Tatum is better than Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a chance to weasel your way out.

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Speaker 1: keep assuming. You know what happens when you assume, you

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Speaker 1: to assume Kevin Durant's gonna be healthy. Then what are

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Speaker 1: We're trying to project ahead. It can be a fool's errand.

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Speaker 1: But when you buy a car that's new, Chris, don't

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Speaker 1: doing that. And the other thing the other thing. Let

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Speaker 1: me just add this, Chris, where's the win for Kevin Durant?

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Speaker 1: Going back? We know what the wind is for Kurry.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you from Steph's perspective, Curry's got nothing to

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Speaker 1: prove because enough of the foolishness. Kevin Durrant's not healthy.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's not that good anymore. Jason Taylors buried than

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry should not be calling Kevin Durant. Now. The

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Speaker 1: flip side of this is the West is gonna be

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Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, it was a great fit. Congratulations you

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Speaker 1: It's better than D'Angelo Russell. I wasn't champion, Dangelo Russell.

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Speaker 1: He's not great. But Andrew Wiggins it fits perfectly. Why

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Speaker 1: which was an unmitigated disaster. So if I'm Curry, bro,

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Speaker 1: I love playing with you. We had an all time

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Speaker 1: great team. Enjoy your time in Brooklyn. I'll catch you

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Speaker 1: on the flip side. I say, Curry, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't beg him. He shouldn't, you know, go out

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Speaker 1: it makes sense to bring back Kevin Durant, absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: mean for Steph Curry, it should be about winning rings. Now.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot to talk about Steph being a

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Speaker 1: the list, if you will, is to win more championships.

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Speaker 1: That's it. It's not to win another it's not to

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Speaker 1: He's already won two without Kevin Durant. He's a made man. Individually.

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Speaker 1: No one can ever say I don't care if they

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Speaker 1: no one can ever say he carried because step is

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Speaker 1: the mythical I'll give you that mythical list is winning

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Speaker 1: disaster waiting to happen. He's not washed. And Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm saying, Yeah, Steph Curry again, don't

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Yeah, we're good. But if we can get Kad, sure, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you know what's a better option for Steph Curry elongating

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry could take nights off. Jordan Pool could come in.

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Speaker 1: Less of Curry bro means more championships. I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: on Moses Moody. He's nice, okay, not that he tore

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Speaker 1: up Summer League. He's a great young players. The guy's

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Speaker 1: only like twenty years old. If you can blend those

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that Bridge keeps their window open

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Speaker 1: longer than dumping some young guys and adding Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: for maybe a one or two more year pop. You

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Speaker 1: can't tell me with a straight face that Kevin Durant's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a dominant player at the age of thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: hard enough? We don't know if he's mature enough. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look how young he is. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: gotta expect him to be a Kimolajuan when he comes

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Speaker 1: out at nineteen years old. It's not gonna happen. But

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Speaker 1: I think that was the biggest issue. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if they're they're matching it, but I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: that it, he'll still be here. Well. See, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna quickly j mc if I'm like, do you okay?

427
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Speaker 1: So you think they could end up trading him. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it won't be before January, and he has veto power

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Speaker 1: over any trade over the next year. But I was

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you, do they need to do a lot

431
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Speaker 1: of smoothing things over a lot of massaging, because as

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Speaker 1: you said, they kind of disrespected him. Well, one hundred

433
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Speaker 1: and thirty three million, the massage is a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of things he wanted more though, Eddie. Yeah, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, well, I mean, nobody will have

436
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Speaker 1: to give it forward. Phoenix, Prilly wasn't willing to give

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Speaker 1: him anything, right, and then so the first first team

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Speaker 1: of offering one one thirty three, they like will match

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Speaker 1: that cool, you know, because maybe he was askable, but

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Speaker 1: what we know is what he got, and one hundred

441
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Speaker 1: thirty three million will smooth out a whole lot of things.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna walk into that building understanding that he is

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Speaker 1: getting compensated for what he has been doing, for being

444
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Speaker 1: a number one pick and living up to those standards

445
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Speaker 1: because we've seen a lot of let's not forget, we've

446
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of guys go number one that ain't

447
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Speaker 1: put up no numbers, and at the end of the day,

448
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: they out the league so, you know, shout out to

449
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Speaker 1: him for sticking with it, because it's not easy when

450
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Speaker 1: you're going through that those type of things and to

451
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Speaker 1: still be able to go out and perform and put

452
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Speaker 1: up his numbers regardless of what everybody else is saying.

453
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Speaker 1: People want him to be somebody that he's not. People

454
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Speaker 1: need to just accept the fact that this is who

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Speaker 1: he is and this is what he brings to the

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Speaker 1: table now looking forward, Can he get better? Yes he can.

457
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Speaker 1: Everybody can. And he's so young. I think a lot

458
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Speaker 1: of times we want to just give up on these

459
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: young players so fast because you expect instantaneity. That's the

460
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Speaker 1: social media world. You're expecting it to happen right now.

461
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Speaker 1: It takes time for people to develop, and I think

462
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Speaker 1: he's been developing every single year. Sons had an embarrassing

463
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Speaker 1: Game seven home loss by a million points to Luca

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Speaker 1: and the MAVs. Even though they're bringing back eighton. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem happy about it, you know, Eddie, I look

466
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Speaker 1: at the West, I see the Clippers are gonna be there,

467
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Speaker 1: the Nuggets are gonna be there. The MAVs are better

468
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: than the Sun's Golden State won the championship. I mean,

469
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Speaker 1: are the Sons even top six in the West next year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't even talk about like the Pelicans

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Speaker 1: who didn't have Zion and push them stopping with the Pelicans.

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Speaker 1: They're better than the Pelicans. Okay, will they be battling

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Speaker 1: with the Clippers. Yes, they'll be battling with the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: Do I think that Luca and Dallas caught them in

475
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Speaker 1: a vulnerable spot not being not understanding like this is

476
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Speaker 1: a real grind after playing in the NBA Finals, having

477
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Speaker 1: some of those guys having a very short off season,

478
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Speaker 1: then getting right back into it. I think they'll be

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Speaker 1: better than Dallas next year. Obviously, the Warriors. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that they're better than the Warriors. I think that

481
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Speaker 1: the Warriors are retooled that if to me, the Warriors

482
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Speaker 1: are the favorite to win it All next year again,

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Speaker 1: and I mean I think that they literally can go

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Speaker 1: back to back. And I'm not just saying that. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying I feel like Def Curry has put himself on

486
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Speaker 1: a different level to where we've been talking about all

487
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Speaker 1: these other the players. He probably is the best player

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Speaker 1: in the NBA right now, the most unguardable player. We

489
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Speaker 1: talk about seven foot tall Kevin Durant can get it

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Speaker 1: shot off of anybody. Well, we're talking about a six

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Speaker 1: three guy that can get his shot off, can finish

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Speaker 1: at the rim with either hand, that can pass with

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Speaker 1: either hand, that can make the right play, that understands

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Speaker 1: how to play basketball, and he plays winning basketball, and

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Speaker 1: he's unselfish. He might be the best player in the

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Speaker 1: league right now, top ten all time. Before you go yes,

497
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Speaker 1: and it's no doubt. I watch I watched it up

498
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Speaker 1: up close and personal, and I've seen how he goes

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Speaker 1: about his work. Let's not say how he gets his shots.

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Speaker 1: You have to be in phenomenal shape. And to be

501
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: in that that great at shape late in the season

502
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: and getting targeted on defense and not really giving up

503
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Speaker 1: as much as he was when people thought that that

504
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Speaker 1: was his weakness. He definitely is a top ten player,

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00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. That's our man. Eddie House, the

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Speaker 1: NBA champion. Eddie. After a rough start with that first

507
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: question about KD to the Warriors, that was a spectacular interview.

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Speaker 1: I love the way you son, Jay body back boot

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Speaker 1: on the first question. I just did, Yeah, I let

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Speaker 1: that go. I let that go. All right, man, have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. All right, take care of brothers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, and now let's go to Ryan Music for

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Speaker 1: the herd Headline news. No, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 1: This is the Herd Line News. Always good to have

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Speaker 1: Eddie House here. Always a great NBA conversation. But let's

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Speaker 1: keep the NBA conversation going a little bit here. James

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Speaker 1: Harden had a disappointing season last year, basically quitting on

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Speaker 1: the Nets before getting traded to the seventy six ers,

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Speaker 1: where he then came up short multiple times in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs alongside Joel Embiid. In an interview with out Time,

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Speaker 1: he explained what's been holding him back. Quote these last

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Speaker 1: two years, I've been dealing with some handstring issues which

523
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: are nothing to play with. So I'm taking this summer

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Speaker 1: as an opportunity to do something for me, to make

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Speaker 1: sure that I get back to the elite level that

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Speaker 1: I know I can be at and that I will

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Speaker 1: be at. So that's priority number one. Chris. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Harden will return to that elite status next season? Well,

529
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Speaker 1: look here here's the answer. James Hard everybody's killing who

530
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Speaker 1: He's not the same, He's not what he used to be.

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Speaker 1: He's no longer an elite player. The answer is simple.

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Speaker 1: James Harden apparently had the worst hamstring injury in the

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Speaker 1: history of mankind. I mean, I've never heard of I'm

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00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: not belittling hamstring injuries, but two years yeah, I've been

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00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: raising my eyebrows a little bit. Yeah, well it means.

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Speaker 1: It means one of two things. As you said, it's

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Speaker 1: either the worst hamstring ever or what we know about

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Speaker 1: James Harden is not known for being the hardest working

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Speaker 1: guy every offseason and taking care of his body right,

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Speaker 1: And it might be too if he really is working

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Speaker 1: at hard, it might be too late. Look, I don't

542
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Speaker 1: think Harden will ever be what he was a few

543
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Speaker 1: years ago in Houston, but he doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: what I'd like to see him be. I don't even

545
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Speaker 1: know if he can be this That guy when he

546
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: first got to Brooklyn, when he was running point and

547
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Kyrie was playing too and Kevin Durant was out, James

548
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: Harden was playing as well as anybody in the league.

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00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: He really could be a great point guard. But he's

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Speaker 1: got to That's all they need because Tyree's Matxi is

551
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Speaker 1: on to come. Tobias Harris is still there as a

552
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Speaker 1: fourth score, so they don't need him to be the

553
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Speaker 1: thirty five point score. But run the offense, don't shrink

554
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Speaker 1: in the big moments, and James Harden could be effective

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Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. On a high level, James

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Speaker 1: Harden could be effective, Ryan, James Harden can be said

557
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Speaker 1: on a high level, did you hear the end up?

558
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: On a high level, I took a beating for bagging

559
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: on them recently in last like year on FS one

560
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: and so forth. I'll just say this, I like the

561
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Speaker 1: Sixers next year. Guys a lot irrationally, so I may

562
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Speaker 1: pick the Sixers to come out of the East. I

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Speaker 1: love their off season. Chris Well, I mean you had

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Speaker 1: it there when you said irrationally. Yeah yeah, I mean,

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: my gosh, you go from bashing him, which was irrational,

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Speaker 1: to picking them to win the East, which is a

567
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: rationally cover. J Mac. I don't know, Jam you know,

568
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: you know this isn't college football. They haven't done conference realignment.

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Speaker 1: The Bucks are still in the East and Heat are

570
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: still in the East. The Celtics, the Hawks, Brooklyn might

571
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Speaker 1: come back intact. I mean, come on, well, you stop

572
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: reaching by the way. Joel em Bead has never been

573
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Speaker 1: to a conference finals. Talking about an overrated player, we'll

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Speaker 1: get Jack, rethink that. No, never, Okay, I actually can

575
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Speaker 1: say that after every take this whole show, But just

576
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: rethink that. All right, guys, let's hit on the NFL. Here.

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: With Baker Mayfield no longer on the market, the quarterback

578
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Speaker 1: domino to fall in the NFL landscape that everyone is

579
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Speaker 1: white waiting on as training camp approaches is Jimmy Garoppolo.

580
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: With only a select few teams potentially interested in bringing

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Speaker 1: in a quarterback, the Browns. Rumors have started to surface

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Speaker 1: a little bit as we wait on a potential suspension

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Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson. NFL insider Jeremy Fowler doesn't see it happening,

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00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: telling the Tolbert and Cops show, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I would say Cleveland is a big suitor. I think

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Speaker 1: they're pretty comfortable with Jacoby Brissette right now. They have

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Speaker 1: him as a bridge quarterback. Jack, where are you on

588
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: this Jimmy g situation? I believe the brown should trade

589
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Garoppolo, bring him in. They have the cap space,

590
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: they got forty eight million dollars in cap space. Have

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Speaker 1: him be the quarterback. Until the Watson suspension ends, and

592
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: then you're in position when Watson takes the field. Holy cow,

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00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: there's seven and three and they go one of the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and they're gonna have a shot at the super

595
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Speaker 1: Bowl because Watson is that good. I don't think Pursette

596
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: can get you seven and three, Ryan, I would bring

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Speaker 1: Jimmy G in if I'm Cleveland. If the suspension of

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is all season, if it's half the season,

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Speaker 1: I would. I would stick with Brissette, And it's a

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Speaker 1: risk because Jay Mack is right. Jimmy G is better

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Speaker 1: than Brissette, and you would win more with him. But

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Speaker 1: I would only do it if Watson's out the entire season,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think. Look, I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: Niners are in a hurry to give up Jimmy G

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Speaker 1: because they're conflicting reports. We talked about that earlier Jack

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00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: and maybe he does look as good as summer saying,

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00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: or maybe he's struggling like our old Colin Cowherds in

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Speaker 1: that they're rebuilding his throwing motion and he's got armed

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00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: fatigue and his accuracy is a question mark. If all

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Speaker 1: of that's true, then if I'm the Niners. Unless I'm

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Speaker 1: bold over with an offer. I might want to keep

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Speaker 1: Jimmy G. I want to give Trey Lance a long

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Speaker 1: rope in San Francisco. They have to, but not long

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Speaker 1: enough to ruin the sea. You can't do that with

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Speaker 1: keeping Jimmy G. He just took you to the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game. The locker room loves him, Tray. If they

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Speaker 1: start out one and three or they're two and five,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, we gotta get Jimmy G in

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Speaker 1: here to say, look, I'm trying to win right now.

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00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: It's not the Trey Lance would not be the first

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Speaker 1: quarterback to not be ready in the second season. So

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Speaker 1: if I have to go to Jimmy G, then so

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Speaker 1: be it. Because they are built to win now, don't

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00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: waste time. They know they can win at a high

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: level with Jimmy G. Get it done if Trey Lance

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00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: can so. But I like him in Cleveland. If wash

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Speaker 1: if Watson is out for the whole year, well that's

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Speaker 1: the news. The herd Line News. Yes, indeed, thank you

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Speaker 1: Ryan Music for the herd Line News. Great stuff from you,

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Speaker 1: all right. Some folks think Kadi's the best player in

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Speaker 1: the league. Jay Max says he isn't even top five again.

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Speaker 1: J Mack rethink that not harsh Man. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: that next. Chris Brussard and Jason crazy Man McIntyre. I

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Speaker 1: The Herd J Mack. The Athletic release their top what

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Speaker 1: they've been doing the top players in the league, and

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Speaker 1: they finally have gotten to the top five. Here it is.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts at number five, Joel

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Speaker 1: mb number four, Steph Curry, number three, NICOLEE. Yokich, number two,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and number one Yantis ante Dio your thoughts, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like it too much. These these

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Speaker 1: advanced stats, player efficiency rating, all these advanced numbers really

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Speaker 1: favor the big men, which is why you've got three

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Speaker 1: bigs in there. If you're asking me, not my top five,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm not as geared toward big men. So

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Speaker 1: rob best player in the league, Ryan Chris, hear me

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Speaker 1: out for a quick second. When you are looking at

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Speaker 1: best player, to me, that means winning a championship, not

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Speaker 1: MVP votes. Okay, if you're gonna go who's the bad MVP? Fine,

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Speaker 1: Yokis whatever, go ahead, Yoka j winning in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: He needs wing players. This is a wing dominated league.

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Speaker 1: Can you defend? Can you shoot? Three? Indeed, that's what

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Speaker 1: is the top five for me, and you know, using

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Speaker 1: that as a template. My number five players, Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 1: my number four players Lebron James three, Jannis to Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry one, Luca don Chich, Jay Mack. What what you

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Speaker 1: want me to put or to leave you what I've

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Speaker 1: been saying, rethink why? Give me give me a real

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Speaker 1: reason why? Because you player in the NBA is Jannis period.

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Speaker 1: And first of all, you go into this soliloquy about

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Speaker 1: how I measured the best player in the league by championships,

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Speaker 1: and then you put Jason Tatum at number five, who

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Speaker 1: struggled mightily mighty in the NBA finale to the finals.

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Speaker 1: Then you put Lebron James, who didn't even make the

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Speaker 1: play in all right, I mean so, and then you

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Speaker 1: put Luca in, who got beaten handily in five in

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Speaker 1: the conference I mean lucas the best player. You should

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Speaker 1: have saved that comment about how you value championships when

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Speaker 1: it comes to play, I mean, obvious, can you win

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Speaker 1: a championship because this athletic pool had embat in your

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Speaker 1: kitch in the top five. They've never even made the finals,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and Bed's never made the conference finals. So

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear like Chris, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you the basics. How do you define best Like, give

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Speaker 1: me a firm definition for best player, because this is

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Speaker 1: very subjective. I think there is a combination of things. One,

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Speaker 1: you do need elite statistics, right, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys can check that box. But that's a necessity elite statistics,

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Speaker 1: and it is how your game impacts winning, all right,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a championship you know. I ultimately you got

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Speaker 1: to be able to win one, but not just a

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Speaker 1: championship because you may not have the supporting cast to

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Speaker 1: do that. But your list is atrocious. Stop it here.

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Speaker 1: Here's my top five, just off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: Number five, Mbad number four, Durant number three, Steps number two,

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Speaker 1: Luca number one, Yannis. Here's Yannis. You the way you

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Speaker 1: poop poo big Man is just the way you've been

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Speaker 1: poop poo. You put him beat ahead of Yo kitchen?

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Speaker 1: Did you really do Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, better defender? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: One key you've missed, Chris is does this player make

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Speaker 1: others around him better? That is to me immense when

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Speaker 1: it comes to best, not only are you good, but

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Speaker 1: do you make those around you better? Nobody better at

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Speaker 1: that in the league than Luca don nobody. Jeff Carty

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Speaker 1: has to be number two. And now here's the here's

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Speaker 1: the challenge with Luca. And I love Luca. I the

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Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, but I called him Luca legend Um.

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Speaker 1: I do think he's a phenomenal player. Here's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the challenge for Luca. He's going to have to I

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Speaker 1: would like to see him get off the ball a

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Speaker 1: little more because it is tough for a second star,

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Speaker 1: and let really on a third star if you have

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Speaker 1: them to play off of a guy who is so

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Speaker 1: bald dominant. We saw the challenges that Lebron had with that,

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Speaker 1: like the way Wade in Lebron's games never was the

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Speaker 1: perfect match. But they were just so good individually and

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Speaker 1: they had Chris Bosh and the great supporting cast that

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Speaker 1: they were able to win two championships in the four years,

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Speaker 1: but they should have won that. The talent was better

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Speaker 1: than winning just two and four, but it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: greatest fit because Lebron is so bald dominant, and so

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Speaker 1: that's going to be a challenge for Luca. That's Jalen Brunson,

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Speaker 1: who not even a star, was like, I want to

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Speaker 1: be in a situation where I, you know, this one

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Speaker 1: guy is not this ball dominant. So but Luca is great,

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Speaker 1: but that's gonna be the challenge. Um, here's my thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't have Yannis number one.

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Speaker 1: Let me just orically, historically, big men in any era

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Speaker 1: have always needed a great perime or players don't think

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Speaker 1: because they don't carry, they don't bring the ball up. Generally,

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Speaker 1: so Shot needed Kobe and Wade, Kareem needed, Oscar and

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Speaker 1: Magic Uh, any of them that's your name needed a

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Speaker 1: great perimeter guy to win consistently to get them the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yannis is different and that he can dominate inside like

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Speaker 1: a traditional big even though he doesn't post up a ton,

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Speaker 1: and he also can bring the ball up. So he's

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Speaker 1: unique in that he's that big that doesn't need the

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Speaker 1: guard to get him the big player, the best player.

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Speaker 1: He's a great defender, he's a great score he's a

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Speaker 1: very good passert it love. I'll say this about your

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Speaker 1: list can't be considered legit without him at number one,

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Speaker 1: it's considered leg it, is legit. So let's let me

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Speaker 1: just go back to Yannis and did he want a championship? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so they were down to nothing, getting their brains beaten

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Speaker 1: in by Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving two years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they win Game three, close game. In Game four, Kyrie

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Speaker 1: goes down James Harden's already hurt. Jannis to an extent,

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Speaker 1: got a little lucky in that series that the Nets

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Speaker 1: were injured and Kevin Durant's toe was on the line.

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Speaker 1: And then remember I know you can. And then remember,

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Speaker 1: of course Anthony Davis goes down and the Sun's advanced

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Speaker 1: instead of Lakers, blah blah blah, and then Jear Middleton

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Speaker 1: goes down. Listen, Jannis is a great player. He makes

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Speaker 1: other people better. He's definitely top three for me. But

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Speaker 1: for me Steph Curry too. Luca one. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's really inarguable that Luca's the best player in the league.

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Speaker 1: He went to the fight to the conference final. He

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Speaker 1: took down the Stall, he took down the Suns, the

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Speaker 1: number one team record wise in the league, with no

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Speaker 1: other All Stars. It was the Luca shot. So was

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Speaker 1: dark Navinski the best player in the world when when

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Speaker 1: he beat the he had he had Jason Kidd, a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer on his team. I don't care all

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Speaker 1: he was. He had all of fa Luca don had nobody.

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Speaker 1: He was playing with you and a couple of plumbers,

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Speaker 1: a couple off duty fire fighters, and he won Game

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Speaker 1: seven in Phoenix by a million points. You should have

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Speaker 1: rethoked that comment. They don't need to rethink nothing. My goodness.

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Speaker 1: I like Luca, but j Mack. This has become the

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Speaker 1: theme of the show. Rethink that Okay, Jack. Anytime you

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Speaker 1: think of a take, rethink it all right. That great weekend,

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Speaker 1: yes you tube, my Man Purce