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Speaker 1: welcome to episode one twenty three of the podcasts. Phil.

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Speaker 1: I could see you wanted to step in there, but

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Speaker 1: I got it right, didn't I? You? Did you? You

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Speaker 1: caught yourself? All right? Another week? This is uh are

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Speaker 1: I think our twentie quarantine podcast, and I'm feeling very melancholy.

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Speaker 1: I feel I haven't killed a turkey yet. Everyone else

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Speaker 1: are just even even I've killed twenty turkeys. It's incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: quite the poacher. Um. I just and I feel this

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't account. But so I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: a little weird, a little down. So we brought in

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon to help me out. Mark Kenyon, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: you're feeling this way, ben uh, but if it makes

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Speaker 1: you feel any better, I'm right there with you. That's

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Speaker 1: why you're here. You're pretty much the only other person

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Speaker 1: on the team that has a killer turkey. We've got

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Speaker 1: a good excuse though, Yeah, yeah, progeny. Progeny. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: should get into before we do that. I've got a

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Speaker 1: few emails here, um, asking about updates on our vasectomys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a big no go over here. My wife is

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Speaker 1: looking for more more of these children. Where where are

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Speaker 1: able to get one. We're still on we're still on

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Speaker 1: the snip snip plan right now, but you know, non

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Speaker 1: I guess it's time to shut down business because we

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Speaker 1: are not interested more kids here at the Kenyan household.

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Speaker 1: This is all we can handle anyway. My Turkey, My

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Speaker 1: Turkey season has gone somewhat nuclear, and it's hard. I

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Speaker 1: to even make it sound as desperate as it feels

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of fired up Tom's on some

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Speaker 1: having absolutely none of my advances. And so that's like

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Speaker 1: my you know, we're I don't know what a couple

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Speaker 1: And boys that rough um, Mark Kenyan, You've got a

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Speaker 1: similar but but varied thing going on over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, like everyone, I'm not traveling anywhere to go

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Speaker 1: And the unique situation I have here is that we're

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Speaker 1: trying to film a turkey hunt on the back forty,

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Speaker 1: so I can't use my tag. We only get one

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Speaker 1: turkey tag in Michigan, so I can't turkey hunt in

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Speaker 1: So I've gone and done something I've been calling catching

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Speaker 1: release turkey hunting then, and given your stance on catching release,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna love this. Mark and I. Mark

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Speaker 1: and I have argued into the late into the night

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Speaker 1: quote unquote for turkeys. Just try to get one in

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Speaker 1: goal has been this year to get quote unquote five turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Then I'll just you know, take a picture or film

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Speaker 1: just like empty, No, not at all. I mean you're

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Speaker 1: out there in nature enjoying it. You're here and birds,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's not for I'm not sacrificing that. I'm

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Speaker 1: Lift me up, Phil, Lift me up. Ben, I crapped

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Speaker 1: crap in the woods. Congratulations, crap in the woods. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: And ure this paint the picture it was? It was

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Speaker 1: what kind of morning was it? Was it calm, Wendy.

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Speaker 1: hunters and got it, you know, predictably got it while hunting.

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00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: And so it's something, um you should all be thinking about.

425
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: And I pulled up just an article from the Mayo

426
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: Clinic because you know, this is one of those things

427
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: that it sounds it sounds mysterious even to hear it,

428
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: and there's no known cure for this UM. So that's

429
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: one of those things that scares people as well. But

430
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: the lone Star tick is is that, you know, I

431
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: would say, a medium sized tick that has a white

432
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: dot on at the top of its body, so it's

433
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: easily identifiable. I've seen um many of them in Texas

434
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: when I lived there, but they're not just in Texas

435
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: despite their lone star name. UM. I I know that

436
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: there are some in Michigan. Uh, mar Kenyons will be

437
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: watching out for these. Um, they're there, but they're spread

438
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: across the East coast as well in the southeastern United States. Um,

439
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: they're less prevalent than typical like deer ticks. Right, Yes, yeah,

440
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: they've they've been less prevalent. But you know how, you

441
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: know how how ticks have kind of become more predominant

442
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: across the East Coast and stretching down into the southeast

443
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: and even over to to where you are, Michigan. It

444
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: is not Um, I don't have any numbers here on

445
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: the amount of them that are hanging around, but it's

446
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: not suffice to say this, this syndrome and this tick

447
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: have been become a topic you discussion because there's more

448
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: instances of this happening where this was. I had never

449
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: heard of this past five years ago. Now I'm hearing

450
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: about it every year, and people are asking questions about

451
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: it every year. It is a pretty constant underlying topic

452
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to spring spring seasons. And that's on

453
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: top of just worrying about limes disease too. Yeah, for sure,

454
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: limes disease has been is the one thing we think

455
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: of when we think it ticks, but there are very

456
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: many other bacterias and diseases that they inject in your

457
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: body when they bite you. Um, this is it's just

458
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: something that always comes up market. And UM, so I

459
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: know you don't have any direct experience with alpha gl

460
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: thank god. But but what's the you got any tick

461
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: prevention thoughts. I don't. I don't have any super secret

462
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: special ticket advice. I guess. Um, I just try to

463
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: apply bug spray, you know, in the places where you

464
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: want it, near the you know, the ends of your sleeves,

465
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: bottom of your pants, around your neck, shoulders, that kind

466
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: of thing. Um. And then I always do check myself

467
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: quite a bit when I'm out there in the field,

468
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: and then again when I get home. I do a

469
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: very thorough check every time. Um. And I don't want

470
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: to get gross here, but I uh, I will never

471
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: forget I will absolutely never forget this. There was an

472
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: episode of House. Do you guys remember House? Yeah? Great

473
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: great show. I remember watching it back in high school

474
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: I think it was, And there was a there was

475
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: a person who came in who had this mysterious sickness,

476
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: as they always do during House, and her symptoms. The

477
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: very first thing that they expected given her symptoms was

478
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: lime disease. But they searched her and they could find

479
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: no tick, no bite mark, nothing, There was no sign

480
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: of a tick bite other than these very lime disease

481
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: like symptoms. So then they moved on to other things.

482
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: And they spent the whole next forty five minutes of

483
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: the show examining every different possible issue that could be.

484
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: Nothing matched up. They couldn't figre out why she was

485
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: so sick, she was dying. This thing was horrible. And

486
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: then somehow, and I can't remember the details exactly, but

487
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: somehow doctor House thought to look um in her private parts.

488
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: I'll just say to keep the family friendly, he decided

489
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: to check her private parts and found a tick in there.

490
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I'm just very very careful

491
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: with all tick related searches everywhere. Make sure you check,

492
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: because you don't want one of these mysterious hidden ticks

493
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: to get you and to give you something like alpha

494
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: gael or or limes disease. So that's that's that was

495
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: my favorite part of Houses. Things. Things look dire until

496
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: the last five minutes when Hugh Laurie would be like,

497
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and get this idea. All all the

498
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: doctors would be like, you can't do that. He'd be like,

499
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: trust me. Then he'd end up saving a life. Yes, yeah,

500
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Well this podcast has kind of gone into some weird areas. Um,

501
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: both physically and it's angeblely and into agibly. But that's true. Um,

502
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: was that a tip or just was there a tip

503
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: attached to that? It was check? Check everything, check everything? Okay,

504
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: got it? Got it? Uh, permethrin probably say, permethrin is

505
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: something that you should all have. I think, Um, it

506
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: is very toxic. It's twenty two it's over times more

507
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: toxic to humans than it is to ticks. But um,

508
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: put in your clothing. Oh yeah, Um, I'm sorry, I've

509
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: switched that up. It's ticks to humans. It's more toxic

510
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: to ticks than humans. But it's still not a great

511
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: thing to be messing around with. But I do put

512
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: that on my sleeves. Um. I put that on the

513
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: cups of my pants and around the edges of my

514
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: boots and other places where a tick might enter. Um,

515
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: it's it's something that will kill a tick, it'll keep

516
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: them off you. I don't I unless I think it's

517
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, when I'm hunting in early season Montana.

518
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that on. But if I'm gonna if

519
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: it's in a dead center of spring and I'm rolling

520
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: around belly crawling through weeds and Texas or Missouri or

521
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Michigan where there's gonna be a lots of ticks, um

522
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: it is. It's something you really, in my opinion, can't

523
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: go without. UM. You know, it's important, important to know

524
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: what it is and and what it does. But permethern

525
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: is is something I think really will help you. UM.

526
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And so I'll tell you Max that that UM. Other

527
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: than that you know and the all the you know,

528
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: like I said about half a dozen emails about ticks

529
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: in the last week or so, UM, I take And

530
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: I told I remember telling Calvis when we were hunting

531
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: in Texas for access to here. I take when I

532
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: can get a shower, I take a shower, like if

533
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a full day hunt and I can

534
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: skip back to the lodge and take a shower in

535
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: the afternoon, and and that means it's not gonna totally

536
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: skirt my hunt. I will do it um during the

537
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: spring seasons. Because that you don't want limes disease. You

538
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: don't want chronic limes disease. You don't want alpha gel syndrome.

539
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: You don't want anything like that. Um. And so while

540
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: it may seem you know, overly prescriptive to to to

541
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: take three showers a day while you're out um, spending

542
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: time and you know, tall green grass and sitting up

543
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: against trees that will have ticks on them, it's not

544
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: to say, Um, you know, being overly cautious is a

545
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: good thing because limes disease not like unlike alpha syndrome.

546
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure we all know people that that have had

547
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: problems with limes disease. My dad has it, and um,

548
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: my mother in law has chronic limes disease, which is awful.

549
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: It's turns, it turns into arthritis, and so um, yeah,

550
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I think awareness, just being aware is an important thing.

551
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: Just when you're out there at that time of year,

552
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: just constantly checking, checking your sleeves, checking your knees, check

553
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: your boots, like I'm if it's tick season. I just

554
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for them. The best thing to do is,

555
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, find them before they get on you your skin.

556
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: So just keep tabs too. I think that's an important

557
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: first step is just make sure it's not something you

558
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: let slip mind, slip your mind, Yeah, got it? All right,

559
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Well we're moving on. Um, Phil, hopefully you don't have

560
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: any I hope you continue to crap in the woods

561
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: when necessary, but in the spring, in the spring season,

562
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: just be wary. Okay, buddy, um we'll do now. The

563
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: one tick bite I've ever gotten. They burrowed into, uh

564
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: the crevices down there kind of kind of close to

565
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: where Mark was talking about earlier. Yeah, it was not

566
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: It was not a great experience. Were you aware of

567
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: what Market was talking about earlier? Huh was a female patient? Well, yes,

568
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: I understand, Ben, but it wasn't that same general area,

569
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: oh the crotch all region. Yes, I was just confused

570
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: us for just a moment. Would you like going to

571
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: be more specific? It was around the taint area. It's

572
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: called the perennium. Is that it? That's the gooch? I

573
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: think that's the technically, got it? Okay, yeah, just I

574
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: we'll have to put a disclaimer in the front of

575
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: this podcast, like, hey man, like sometimes it just goes

576
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: this way. There's nothing we can do. It's not our fault.

577
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: It's not our fault. This is this is a medical emergency.

578
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: UM last email before we get to our friend Donnie

579
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Vincent and what was a very interesting conversation about nature

580
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: and the pandemic and viruses and just every Turkey season,

581
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: everything you can think of with our friend Donnie Vincent.

582
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: One last email and then email is going to come

583
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: from Anthony. Man. Why get some realized this is like

584
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: the m m U s c I O T t O.

585
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I would just spell that m U s c I

586
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: O T t O. Phil, give me that mashudo Mrs

587
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Suzios show. I don't know anyhow. Uh, this is one

588
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: for you, Mark Kenny, because I feel like you have

589
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a unique perspective on this given your past career. UM.

590
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: But he's asking, hey Benn and Phil. It goes on.

591
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: He says, the reason I'm reaching out today is because

592
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: as a twenty three year old graduate who was also

593
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: a devoted outdoorsman, I've started the search the job market

594
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry. I have a degree in professional

595
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: sales and experience in business management. My passion resides within

596
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: the outdoors. I want to use my degree and combine

597
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: it with my passion, which is the hunting and fishing.

598
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I've been googling and surfing the internet, but nothing has

599
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: really piqued my interest, and I haven't had much luck

600
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: searching for what I am looking for. Any advice on

601
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: start starting my search or searching in general how to

602
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: make a career out of this. Um. When I read this,

603
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was glad we were having you on today, Mark,

604
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: because you have a unique perspective. UM. And it's kind

605
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: of it's maybe a little bit of the reverse of

606
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: what Anthony's working on, which is kind of just making

607
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: your own way instead of searching the market. Uh. Yeah,

608
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: but I think there are some parallels in that. You know,

609
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: I came from a sales and marketing background, worked for

610
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: big tech company. Uh. And at the same time as

611
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I was starting that career, I was also starting my

612
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: own thing, which was wired to hunt. And so I

613
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: was trying to grow this, like, as you said, make

614
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: my own way by growing this business in the hunting world,

615
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: to to be something that I could combine my passion

616
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: with the outdoors and hunting with you know, some means

617
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: of business. Um. But I think that what I learned

618
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: through that process applies to trying to get a job

619
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: within this community too, which is find what your thing

620
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: is so find what you're uniquely qualified to do or

621
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: uniquely passionate about, or that you have this um unique

622
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: value you can bring. So for me, it was realizing, okay,

623
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: I can it's communicating, it's it's podcasting, it's writing, it's

624
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: that kind of thing for me. For some people it's photography,

625
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: for some people it's business. UM. But find what your

626
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: thing is and then just start tapping into the community network.

627
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's been set a thousand times,

628
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: but it's so true that networking, meeting people, getting involved

629
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: with this community, the hunting or the outdoor of the

630
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: fishing community, whatever is you want to be involved in,

631
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: just finding ways to get involved. So that's maybe starting

632
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: by going to the A T A show or going

633
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: to shots show, or going to local events, or getting

634
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: involved the conservation organizations or volunteering UM or taking an

635
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: unpaid internship or you know, any any way you can

636
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: get involved with companies or organizations or groups of people

637
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: that are in this world and then start showcasing whatever

638
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: your unique value is that leads to opportunities. So for me,

639
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: that meant writing a bunch, that meant eventually launching a podcast.

640
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: That meant making videos and then just doing it over

641
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and over and over again and reaching out to as

642
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: many people as it possibly could over the years and

643
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: building connections with people, magazine editors, companies, different folks. In

644
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: over time, opportunities arose. And I think the same thing

645
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: can happen with someone who's got a business degree who

646
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: wants to get in this industry. I think if you

647
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: meet folks, show your value, do that enough people, people

648
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: will present opportunities and good things can happen. So it's

649
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: it's absolutely possible. Yeah, yeah, you just gotta I get this.

650
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if you get this question a lot mark,

651
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: but I get it pretty freaking do um And I

652
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: it's understandable. I mean, I'm sure I had a similar question.

653
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I don't know that I had this question

654
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: because I wasn't aware I wanted to be a sportswriter

655
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: coming up. I wasn't aware you could be, you know,

656
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: I was aware there was hunting media, but I didn't.

657
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that it would would be a career,

658
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: um than anyone would pursue. I just never I never

659
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: considered it, probably to my um, you know, to my

660
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: downfall early on. But then when I realized it was something.

661
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: I kicked that damn door in and ran right through it,

662
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not going back out the other side,

663
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to push me out. UM. So

664
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: that's often my advice. I mean, you have to look

665
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: for a way in, look for a door, and when

666
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: you see it, kick that son of a bit as

667
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: hard as you possibly can, and you do not let

668
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: someone push you out the other side. Um. And that's

669
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: that's as simple, and you know, as vague as as

670
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: simple as it is. My my. Everybody has a different

671
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: story about how they kind of what door opened for

672
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: them and how they kind of got in there. But

673
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: it's about being able to recognize, um, those opportunities and

674
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: not let them go by. Yeah. I think I think

675
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: your point is a good one in that it requires

676
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: a proactive approach. Things aren't just gonna just drop out

677
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: of the sky on top of you. You have to

678
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: seek them out. You have to be looking for them,

679
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: working for them, looking for what that opportunity might be,

680
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: at least trying to put yourself in the position to

681
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: receive that opportunity. This isn't something you just sit in

682
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: your laurels and then mysteriously all of a sudden, Oh,

683
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: this great thing in the outdoor industry drops in your lap. No,

684
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna take a lot of work. It's gonna

685
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: require kicking down some doors. Um, but if this is

686
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: what you really love, it can be worth it. Yeah.

687
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: I had a friend, Um, I got well, a guy.

688
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: I man, he's a friend now, but a guy I

689
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: met on a on a media hunt some years ago.

690
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: He was taking photos. Um. He had was a freelancer,

691
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: a freelancer and had been hired by a company to

692
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: take photos. And we're sitting there in the campfire and

693
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: he was asking me this question. Hey, you know he

694
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: was twenty one, I think or two at the time, Like,

695
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: how do I turn in what I'm doing, turn what

696
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, this moment when I'm sitting here

697
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: with you doing, which is having a good time taking

698
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: photos and hunting and enjoying life. How do I turn

699
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: this into a career? And I said, You've already got

700
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: You've already had your opportunity. The fact that you're sitting

701
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: right here is your opportunity. The question is now what

702
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: do you do with it? You know, you're luckier than

703
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I think he had met someone

704
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that worked at Bushnell Optics and they had thought he

705
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: was talent did and young and cheap and and gave

706
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: him a foot in the door. And I said, you

707
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, this is it, man, this is it if

708
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: you don't ask that question anymore, because you have the

709
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: opportunity already, UM that many people will have to fight

710
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: a long time to get. So you it's up to

711
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: you now to take take this and run with it.

712
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: So there's no formula. He did, Yeah, he did. He

713
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: now has a career. UM. And actually and uh land

714
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: Man has written real estate I think with white tailed properties,

715
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I want to say. And then as a cameraman on

716
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: the side, I want to say that I'm not sure

717
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: um exactly, but he's in the industry and working and

718
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: do one he loves. UM still a young man, still

719
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: a long way to go. But but it turned turned

720
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: that opportunity into something more. So, UM, there's different levels

721
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: of it. But hopefully UM, I'm sorry about your we

722
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: got your last name wrong, Anthony, but hopefully Anthony, that

723
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: helps you man, Um, search for that door and when

724
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you find it, kick it in. And as Mark said,

725
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: just proactivity because it's not going to come to you,

726
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: and certainly, if it does come to you and you're

727
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: that lucky, do not mess it up because it's this

728
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: is this is something that a lot of people want

729
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: to do. Um. You know, as evidenced by the questions

730
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: we get in the things that come out of here.

731
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: All right, well, we're gonna move on to what I'm

732
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: calling Phil the Ballad of Eric Hall, our favorite listener,

733
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: our sweet sweet man. Um, we caught up with him.

734
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: We wanted to just catch up with him and just

735
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: see like what what his home life was like. But

736
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: also I figured because Eric has been on the show

737
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: a ton, his recorded voice has been on the show

738
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: a ton, because he sends he sent me a voicemail

739
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: the other day. Um, he's been such a part of

740
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: the show for the last hundred twenty some episodes. Um,

741
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: since he's been listening, it'd be nice to have him

742
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: on check in and make sure he's okay, and do

743
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of a recap of some of our

744
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: favorite air call moments from the last hundred episodes. And so, um,

745
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Phil is gonna work late into the night tonight building this.

746
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: He's shaking and said that he's not gonna do it. No,

747
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna work the minimal amount on putting together the

748
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: ballot of Air Call, and then we will catch up

749
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: with Air Call, and after that we're gonna go right

750
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: into Donnie Vincent. Today's interview subjects Donnie Vincent. Donnie Vincent

751
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: is a man with a lot to say. He's had

752
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of life adventures, a lot of life experiences,

753
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: and he's a great biologist and conservationists. He's a sleeper

754
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to those two subjects. He really knows

755
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: more than he lets on in some of his films

756
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: in his platform, So he's he's great man. He's a

757
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: lot of surprises for us in this episode. First enjoy

758
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Eric call being Eric here. I can't you know, I

759
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: gotta say you So he's just spraying up pain and suffering,

760
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: and I understand that the commercial market, Yes, there's pain

761
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: and suffering involved in the way peaks and chickens and

762
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: cows of a raised. But that turkeys the other days

763
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: that I shot in the head, there was no pain

764
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: or suffering. So there's I'm not saying I didn't take

765
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: its life, and I you know, I understand the taking

766
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: the life part, but this was no pain and suffering

767
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: involved in that I took his life because I'm on eating.

768
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe I feel what the fool had disappointed,

769
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: he gets go turkey in, but we're gonna give him

770
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: a past because he don't really know what he's missing

771
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: yet that we're gonna give him a past. Hey, how's

772
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: aromatic of I'm a little bit of practice. But Uh,

773
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: I did help do a vasectomy about thirties, thirty years ago.

774
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Uh in the office. One was an army. Uh. I

775
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: think I could still do it if you all interested. Uh.

776
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: They say watch one, do one and teach one. So

777
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm good. If y'all look for it, Please

778
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: stick to podcasts. Believe the wrapping to eminem I concluded

779
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: that Steve and I told can kill what he's talking about.

780
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Fils talking to feel he might be just damned it

781
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: better to feel because he hunts and I gotta hunt.

782
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: Joe Bils just an engineer. So Phil, keeping on Eric being,

783
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: you keep on embracing feel. All right, here we are

784
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: with another sheltered perspective because we haven't we haven't come

785
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: up with a better name yet, and nobody's written written

786
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: in and given me a better name for this for

787
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: this segment, So we're gonna go with it, and Phil,

788
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: we have maybe the most special guest of all time

789
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: with us right now, the our favorite t AC listener,

790
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: the great Eric Hall. Say Hey, Eric, Hey, good here,

791
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: it's good to have you. Um, I'll let Phil, Phil,

792
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: do you have I want you just say what do

793
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: you have questions for Eric? Do you want to ask

794
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: him anything? I feel like you guys need to build

795
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: a report since you've screwed it up so bad with

796
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: your two point five turkey comments. Well you know, I mean,

797
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: Ben you you jumped right to it because before we

798
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: before we hit the record button, I said hi to

799
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Eric and the first thing he said to me was

800
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: two two and a half two point five. So so yeah, Eric,

801
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if if, if if you've been offended

802
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: by by my rating um or if or if you're

803
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: a defender of my opinion here actually has a little

804
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: deflated about two point five. You just don't know what

805
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: he's missing. So we're gonna let let him have a

806
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: pass because you don't. He doesn't have any perspective yet.

807
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, I I'm I'm I'm aware of my

808
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: shortcomings in this department, but I'm hoping to get out

809
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: there as soon as i can. So alright, well, I

810
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I feel like we're all closer now. Phil,

811
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: You're not uh not offending as many listeners. Everybody's learning

812
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: to tolerate you as I am, um and I was.

813
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, I've gotten about three or four emails of

814
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: people sending links to online hunter safety courses and also

815
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: had somebody from the state of Montana email me a

816
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: thing where there's an apprentice hunter program. So so there

817
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: might be some options for you. Okay, you and I

818
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: will just have to say about six ft apart the

819
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: entire time. It will be it'll be hard for me

820
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do, but we'll see if

821
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: we can make it work. So there is hope. There

822
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: is hope. But air Call I need to ask you is,

823
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: how did you discover this here program? Actually, I've been

824
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: listening to the th HC probably way way back Feel

825
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: pre Fail, Yes, pre Feel you were in Texas and

826
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I've listened. I even went back, I hope verified when

827
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I started exactly, but I even went back and picked

828
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: up episode one and came on and so I'm way

829
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: up to date. Yeah, I drive back an hour to work,

830
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: so I have to have something to feel that our

831
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: coming and going. I love it. Um, you see your

832
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: anniversary today, it is a thirty two years my wife

833
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: Anita happy adversity. You guys, how many you have? How

834
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: many kids you guys have? We have to have a daughter. Uh,

835
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: she's in Pennsylvania. She's a nurse, so she's dealing with

836
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: this coronavirus stuff a little bit in her job. She is, uh,

837
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: actually at a rehab nursing facility for elder people. Yeah,

838
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: she's dealing with that. They're a little bit. And then

839
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: I have a son who's Tyler. He's twenty four. He

840
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: still is all but I'll say much. Well, it's good

841
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: to it's good to have you on. Like I said,

842
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: you've left us some of some of the most epic

843
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: commentary that the show has ever seen. So we we've

844
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: always appreciated your contributions. You know this this probably this,

845
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: as I was telling me before he hit record, this

846
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: this is a segment is really about kind of reaching

847
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: out to the people that are important on the show

848
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: and just seeing how they're doing and finding out what

849
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: the perspectives are. I know, you killed the Turkey and

850
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: I and I also know that we were gonna invite

851
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: you to Christmas, but you spent last Christmas with Vice

852
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: President Mike Pence, so you probably would. Uh you were,

853
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: you were a big league in US. So that's fine. Um,

854
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: but before we eat to that, like, what's what's the

855
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: quarantine kind of you know, done for your life and

856
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: and how you doing over there? Okay, as far as quarantine,

857
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm still working. My wife's still working. She's a daycare teacher.

858
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Preschool teachers. They've asked them to stay open because of

859
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: people that can't find childcare, so they're open because of that.

860
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: I work, I worked at I worked for a company

861
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: called calm Scope, which we make everything to do connectors

862
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: with your internet, your broadband, uh, any kind of networking.

863
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: You're using tom Scope right now. But we did one

864
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: interesting thing. We had an order come in from actually

865
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: from it was associated with Ohio State a Field hospital.

866
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: They had set up for a testing for the coronavirus.

867
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: And we had an order come in for stuff to

868
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: do their infrastructure with her internet. And the team jumped

869
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: on that thing, and it was actually three different plants.

870
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Was in love, but yeah, they jumped on it. I

871
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: think you come in on April the fifth and we

872
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: had it shipped out to them. I think they had

873
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: it like on the seventh. So that was really good

874
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: at we could help with that. That's good man, that's good.

875
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: And then I think, uh, you know Google's and Amazons

876
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: and all those. You were a lot of people on

877
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Internet right now, so there kind of standing there, you know,

878
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the Internet uh capabilities. It's good. You've so you've been

879
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: supporting t C from from behind the from behind the

880
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: curtain all along behind this thing. I love it. I

881
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: love it. Well, Um, you gotta tell us a little

882
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: bit of your your story. We made the joke and

883
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: previous episodes that we we loved Jid. We wanted to

884
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: have you for Christmas. Um, but you were just telling

885
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: me that you got to go spend some time with

886
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Mike Pence over Christmas, and you were big leagueing us.

887
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: I did, and I did. That's my son in law

888
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: works for the Wise Communications and he's stationed at Camp David.

889
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: He's in Army, so I got to spend well, he

890
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't get to come home for Christmas, so he had

891
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: to stay with there. But we went over there as

892
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: a family and had the dinner with him, and then

893
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: shortly after the dinner we went to the chapel and

894
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: had Christmas Eve service with Vice President Mike Pence, got

895
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: to meet him, Jake's hand, speak to him just a second.

896
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, Honor, that's pretty good. I'll take it.

897
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I did. Uh, I did shake one

898
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: of the President's hand one time. And that was uh

899
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: President Forward. He came to West Wilkes High School in

900
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: Wilkes County in Alkalia when I was a little little guy,

901
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: probably twelve ten probably team and shook his hand. But yeah,

902
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: that's awesome. My little guys in here wondering if he

903
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: can jump on the podcast. You gotta here, you gotta go, buddy.

904
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: All right, Dad actually had a prest pass. My dad

905
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: a tired police officer. But and I've got four brothers,

906
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: So we all went to that to President Forward and

907
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: we were up front, and Dad actually went back through

908
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: President Ford's library and found pictures of three of us.

909
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: Shake your hands, were President Ford. That was pretty neat.

910
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, you've been a big deal all along. Um

911
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: when it when about did you start hunting? When when

912
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: was that? Was that something always in your family or

913
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: did it start later on. Oh yeah, yeah, dad, I started, Well,

914
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: I would cry, what didn't get to go? When I

915
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: was probably too young to go. I had two older brothers,

916
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: but dad had four five boys, so he would drop

917
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: hold us off and hype the mountain up and this

918
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: is deer hunting, and he would hike them out and

919
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: dropping each sun off as the age got bluer younger,

920
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: and the youngest one sit with him. But yeah, we've

921
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: been hunting for a long time. Squirrel hunting one like

922
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: we would come home school and squirrel hunting was like

923
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: going out with I mean, we boots, greased up, gear

924
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: laid out, we were ready to go. That's a pretty

925
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: good strategy for your dad to leave the older kid

926
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: further away and then kind of like match it down

927
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: with him and put him walking the longest. This is

928
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: with the youngest skid though, so it worked out. That's true.

929
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: All right. Well, well, before we let you go, I

930
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: want to hear this turkey story you got. I was

931
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: telling you that I've been out here struggling in Montana

932
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: and the snow and the cold um and you got

933
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: a turkey on the ground, didn't you. I did get

934
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: a tur We got to hear the story. But man

935
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: and we actually went Saturday and heard some turkeys, didn't

936
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: get on the thing, went back Sunday morning. We can

937
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: hunt ti him nine thirty here on Sunday morning privately,

938
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: So I got back daylight. How who they gobbled and

939
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: just probably four or five different ones too close enough

940
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I thought I could get. So I started calling the

941
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: one he in the holler to the left. I mean,

942
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I kind of knew I should have I set up

943
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of wrong, you know how you kind of get

944
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: that feeling that my set up wrong. Well it worked

945
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: that I had set up wrong. He was actually over

946
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: the heel at twenty yards to my left. He come

947
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: around behind me, and of course he'd come into view,

948
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it was in the view. I

949
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: turned a little bit to look and or he seen me.

950
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: And it don't take them just a minute just to

951
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: say get out of there. But the one in the

952
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: holler kept gobbling. So I had actually moved back up

953
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: the heel fifty yards because I heard another one gobble

954
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: to my right. I called him a little bit. He

955
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: was coming across the hollar, so I moved back down

956
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: fifty yards set up for him and the war the

957
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: one that was to the left in the holler started

958
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: gobbling more. He's the one to end up coming. He

959
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: come up, come right on up. Twenty thirty yards, pretty

960
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: much a chip shop with thirty yards. But yeah, worked

961
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: that real good way. Twenty pound like a teenage beard pounds. Yeah,

962
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: he was a heavy bird for a mantain bird, really heavy,

963
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: no kidding. Yeah, that's a that's as big as they

964
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: get in most places. That's awesome. I'm maybe fixed my

965
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: wife some turkey nuggets for anniversary dinner. You can't go

966
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: no war, so, uh that's not bad. That's not a

967
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: bad anniversary plan. Not bad. Not two years. Well, uh man,

968
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: you gotta think you want to ask me and Phil

969
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: because here we are, or we'll happy to to unlock

970
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: the secrets of th ac for you. Man. Yeah, I'll

971
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: just say I really enjoy the guest. Y'all have a

972
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: variety of Yeah. I love how you interact with feel

973
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to the me you do to

974
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: podcast too, and closing of this, I listened all of them.

975
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: You're probably my favorite. I like how you interact with Phil,

976
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: and then you interact with some of the guests, even

977
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: the contest you have amazing gifts, amazing gifts you give away.

978
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: I want to be kind of like the Oprah of hunting,

979
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, I feel. And I have a book club

980
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give people a lot of stuff. So

981
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: that's my new it's my new thing. Yeah. And and

982
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: and when I'm driving home and I'm listening to the podcast,

983
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: something comes up right at that time, like when you

984
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: said sending in a voice message that was right on

985
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: my out. I can do that while I'm driving, so

986
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to type nothing in or do nothing

987
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: like that. So that worked out for a year. Yeah, yeah,

988
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: did you? You have knocked it out of the park

989
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: many many times, made us laugh many many times. So

990
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: we appreciate you as much as as you us. And

991
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that you're still working and you're

992
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: up and moving around and uh out killing turkeys and

993
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: about to have a good, good anniversary evening. So we're

994
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: happy about that. Man, I'm glad, glad you can do

995
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: it and stay safe out there. It's uh. I am

996
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: washing a lot of a lot of handwashing. Oh man,

997
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I've washed my hands so much. But yeah, I did

998
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: wear my mask to Walmart. I had to go to

999
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Walmart this morning, and I did wear my mask and

1000
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: my daughter's don't do me by that. She's a nurse

1001
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: and everything, so well, that's good. I hope she stay

1002
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: safe too, and hope the whole family, um, it's safe

1003
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: during this time. And we'll keep listening to those voicemails

1004
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and putting them on the show when we can, and uh,

1005
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll keep your commute entertaining, right Phil, That's right.

1006
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Eric, very very much so, will appreciate y'all.

1007
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: All right, man, okay, I'll take care. Donny Vincent, what

1008
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: is up? Man? Nothing, I'm I'm talking to you. I'm

1009
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: happy to be talking to you. Nothing's going on. I'm

1010
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: like everyone else. I'm working from home or the woods

1011
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: or the cabin that I'm sitting in right now. Yeah.

1012
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think of all the people We've done

1013
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: a lot of shows. Now, we did fifteen daily shows

1014
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: that so were I'm like the eighteenth podcast are in quarantine.

1015
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: And of all the people I was, you know, excited

1016
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: to talk to for a perspective on this strange time,

1017
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I think you're at the top of my list, just

1018
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: because I know, I know you thought this through. I

1019
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: know you've probably modeled. I mean, your life is probably

1020
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: not as much changed as some people. But I just

1021
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: interested to like how you approach this. What's your what's

1022
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: your mindset? UM? It means very complex, right, it's UM.

1023
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: On one hand, I'm trying to learn as much as

1024
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: I can about this virus, just so I can educate myself,

1025
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: learn what's going on. I'm interested in viruses in and

1026
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: of itself, just the idea of what it is. It's

1027
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a pretty fantastic, uh biological element

1028
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: if you think about really what it is. Obviously it's

1029
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: it's causing a lot of mayhem right now, but just

1030
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: in and of it, what it what it is itself,

1031
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: and how it travels through an animal population. So I

1032
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: just have wanted to learn as much as I could

1033
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: about it. UM. That way, when more of these things

1034
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: happened to us as people down the road, you know,

1035
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: it's just good to have that knowledge base. But it's

1036
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: on some regard to I think a lot of people,

1037
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm surprised myself, but to a lot of people,

1038
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: this is no one saw this coming. You know, this

1039
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: this is something that is unprecedented. It's never happened before

1040
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: to this extent and to a lot of people on

1041
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: the face Earth, this is um shocking that their lives

1042
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: can be disrupted this much. And to me, UM not

1043
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: to sound callous, and I don't mean this in a

1044
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: callous manner at all, because there's a lot of people

1045
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: that are suffering, a lot of people, um that are

1046
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: suffering financially, and a lot of people that are busting

1047
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: their asses to save a lot of other people's lives.

1048
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: But to me, this is just a virus traveling through

1049
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: an animal population. And you know, if if this happens

1050
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: due uh to a wild population of deer or you know,

1051
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: species of bird or a type of bird, um select

1052
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: group of mammals, subpopulations, you know, it comes in, does

1053
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: his damage, UH and and moves on and the animals

1054
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: that survive have resilience. But to us, we travel on

1055
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: airplanes and trains and buses, and we have developed these massive,

1056
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: massive cities, and so when the spread happens, it's UH

1057
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: and it's unique in that fashion that we get to

1058
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: spread to a massive population. So it's I'm just trying

1059
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: to learn as much as I can and and UH

1060
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: and help out wherever I can. Yeah, that's a good

1061
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: a good way to approach it. We've you know, we have,

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: like I was telling earlier, we've had a lot of

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01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guests on and the refrain in our community,

1064
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: like our hunting community. And I, like I said, this

1065
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: is only over a small sample, that's very anecdotal, but

1066
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: everybody seems okay, um, and everybody's drawing on, like I

1067
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: want to I have certain things I want to control.

1068
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to be self sufficient, and I think this

1069
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: is this situation, this quarantine is kind of a test

1070
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: of that, right. It's like it's like a test of

1071
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: what you can do outside of the structure of society.

1072
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: Like when it breaks down, are you helpless or are you,

1073
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, the one to step up and help. Have

1074
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: you you thought much about kind of what this means

1075
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: in terms of control and self sufficiency. Yeah, And and

1076
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't feel very I don't feel very ready. You know,

1077
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: there's one group of people. You look at, the prepper type,

1078
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: right and I'm kind of curious what proppers are going

1079
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: through right now. I wonder if proppers are sitting in

1080
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: their houses going crap, do I to actually open up

1081
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: my canna beans that I was saving for like, is

1082
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: this a bad day? Is this do I actually start

1083
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: using some of my supplies? What do I do here?

1084
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: I can still go to the grocery store. This isn't

1085
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: this isn't a real situation where there's no food, no gasoline,

1086
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: no diesel, no clean water. So you know, we're we're

1087
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of kissing that edge of of what you kind

1088
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: of need. But and another realization, I have more backpacking

1089
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: gear and hunting gear certainly than the average person, probably

1090
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit more than even the average hunter. And um,

1091
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a really great set of

1092
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: skills that need to get much better, to need to

1093
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: get more extensive. But I think about um personally, I

1094
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: think about just preparing myself even a little bit better

1095
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: and understanding where I would go, what I would do. Um,

1096
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: because cities, really, these populations of people where much many

1097
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: of us call home, even even in established towns, that

1098
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: these are the areas that are gonna, um become really

1099
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: problematic because the people that lose resources food, water, UM, gasoline,

1100
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna extremely overreact and being a being a

1101
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: panic and and um, you know, probably faltered to a

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01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: great extent. Whereas if if somebody is you know, when

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01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: this all, when all of this stuff was kind of brewing,

1104
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I was in Canada on an island filming a commercial,

1105
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: and when it all kind of started to happen, I

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I was at a friend of mine's

1107
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: places where we were stationed out of and I thought

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01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: to myself, if I were him, I would be traveling

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01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: right now to get to this cabin. And it's a

1110
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: beautiful cabin on a beautiful lake, has a lot of

1111
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: resources for both hunting and fishing, and I thought this

1112
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: would be one of the places that that you'd want

1113
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: to be. You could drink the lake water, you can,

1114
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: there's tons of fish in this lake to catch neat,

1115
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: there's firewood, there's things to build shelters. You're already in

1116
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: this shelter even if you run out of petrol. There

1117
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: are things that you can access um you know, in canoes,

1118
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: and there's things that you can access by foot. And

1119
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: so it just started to really look at the elements,

1120
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: really breaking it down, because if you're if your secondary

1121
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: plan is that you're gonna load all your guns and

1122
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit inside of your house, in the corner

1123
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: of your shelter with a Uh, you know Benelli and

1124
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: one ninety and you're gonna sit there and and uh

1125
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: and defend your your house and your food and your water.

1126
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: That's that's probably not gonna be very long lived. Yeah,

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: that's for sure. This' it's like I said, we've we've

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, and that I this is

1129
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: something I've done, and I do this, um, almost involuntarily.

1130
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: I've like opened up my freezer just a double check,

1131
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: even though I know what's in there, just just to

1132
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: feel a little comfort, feel a little control. I do

1133
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: the same sometimes in my gun safe, open it up,

1134
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: take a look in there. Um. I'm not grasping those

1135
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: things for my dear life, but I am glad they're there,

1136
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah. Somebody was telling me that they

1137
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: were in a gun story the other day and and

1138
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: um they said, man, tons of people and they are

1139
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: buying guns and tons of people and they're buying ammunition.

1140
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: And on one hand, I'm thinking, Okay, I hope, I

1141
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: hope all these people that are buying guns and ammunition

1142
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: have their you know, wits about them and they're just

1143
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: doing this. As you know what. I've been meaning to

1144
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: buy guns. I've been meaning to buy ammunition. I'm gonna

1145
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: use this as kind of a spark to do that,

1146
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that's what most of these people are doing.

1147
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: And on the other hand, I was thinking fantastic, because

1148
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, when when our when our politics change, sometimes

1149
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: the gun stores and ammunition falls verily quiet, and so

1150
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: sales really dip. And so for me, it's kind of

1151
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: fun just to see people buying guns and ammunition again.

1152
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: And and um, I think it's great that people are

1153
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: stockpiling and that some of these gun companies and ammunition

1154
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: company are are going to be having an uptick in

1155
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: sales and things like that. So yeah, it's it's just

1156
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: you're marking the things that you have, the things that

1157
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: you can do, and really where your mind lives. For me,

1158
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: if I had to, let's say we had a complete

1159
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: um digression of of what we are as a species

1160
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: and who we are as a people. Gasoline stopped, you know,

1161
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: food stopped, water stopped, and you had to grab your wares.

1162
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: You had to grab your stuff, head off into the woods,

1163
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: head off into the wilderness, drive your truck as far

1164
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: as you could before it ran out of gas, throw

1165
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: it backpack on, head off into a place that you

1166
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: wanted to live quite literally the rest of your life,

1167
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: not until things got better. Things aren't going to get better.

1168
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: You're just going and living until the rest of your life,

1169
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: whether that be a night, a week, a year, a

1170
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: long life, whatever that may be. Um, you know, having

1171
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: an understanding of what that would look like and what

1172
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: you how you would feel is pretty interesting to me.

1173
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: And I would feel, um, I'm not going to say

1174
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: relatively comfortable with that. Obviously, that would be a complete

1175
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: upending of of who we are and where the earth

1176
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: is right now and where we are as a people.

1177
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: But if I had to go establish, um, a shelter

1178
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: in the woods, if I had to just use the

1179
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: rudiment e gear that I have, and whether it be

1180
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: a re curve bow or a kompoon bow or a

1181
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: rifle or pistol, whatever it was, and use my ammunition

1182
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: until they are gone, and and even retract back to

1183
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: a spear if it came to that, I mean, this

1184
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: is these are things that this is where my mind lives. Anyway,

1185
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm not celebrating that, but you know, in a in

1186
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: a weird, droundabout way, that's where I enjoy spending my

1187
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: my days, in my life anyway, which is why we're

1188
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: talking on this podcast. It's kind of become my job.

1189
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's fantastically rewarding. But to the people that

1190
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: aren't into it, to the people that that spending time

1191
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: outdoors doesn't speak to them, I'm sure this is I'm

1192
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: sure this is like a baseball fat bat to the

1193
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: side of the head out of left field, you know

1194
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, it is. I mean I know

1195
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are like that, and I

1196
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: find I was trying to articulate just to my wife

1197
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: the other day, just saying, like, when I look at

1198
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: those mountains, I enjoy that. I mean it it looks rough,

1199
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: it looks hard, but I enjoy it. And hunting is

1200
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: like some weird bridge to the idea you're just talking about, Like,

1201
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: at least I'm not actively happily walking across that bridge

1202
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: to get to the other side where I just live

1203
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: in the woods all the time. But at least I

1204
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: know what that bridge looks like, and if I had to,

1205
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: I could conceptualize what it means to just disconnect and

1206
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: go and do this. And in fact, one of the

1207
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: first things I started thinking about when this popped up

1208
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: in a in a more serious fashion, was like, well,

1209
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: what you know what four service cabins? Can I go to? Um?

1210
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: You know what fire towers in you know the Galton

1211
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: National Forest? Can I get to? Um? Where would I

1212
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: get my water? And just like kind of filling in

1213
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: the holes that I knew were there. But you're right, man,

1214
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: if if I didn't know the first place to start,

1215
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: if hunting had been that bridge for me, I it

1216
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: would be scary as ship. I mean, there's no way

1217
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: around it. If you didn't understand kind of the outside

1218
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: world and you were completely disconnected from it, this is

1219
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: this has gotta be earth shattering, it's gotta be. Yeah,

1220
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious, um, and I don't want to go down.

1221
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: It's it's funny because I'm not a very politically correct guy,

1222
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: and yet I am because I'm not gonna there's things

1223
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: that I think about that I want to say on

1224
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: this podcast or every podcast I do, that I'm not

1225
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna say, um because I would get strung up in

1226
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: a witch hunt. But UM, I'm curious, um, of the

1227
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: people that were our anti gun owners, the people that

1228
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious if any of them have wanted to or

1229
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: how many of them I know some of them have.

1230
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious if some of the people that were against

1231
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: guns are kind of thinking, you know what, I'm still

1232
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: against this certain type of gun. But but you know,

1233
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: if they're talking to their husband and they're talking to

1234
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: why saying, you know, honey, I really do think I

1235
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: want to go to the gun store now and learn

1236
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: how to use a gun and at least acquire a

1237
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: gun for our home or for our own protection. Um.

1238
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: But it's very unique. It's a very unique, um time

1239
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: to think about even thinking about being a hunter, being

1240
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: a vegetarian, being a vegan, Like if you're a hardcore vegan,

1241
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: this has got to be really scary because I would

1242
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: think the specialty type foods, the foods that these companies

1243
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: have to really engineer for vegans, um, would you know,

1244
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I would think that these would be one of the

1245
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: first staples that grocery stores would stop getting. You know,

1246
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: if they had to choose what they're going to get,

1247
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be vegetables, meat, milk, you know, soups, crackers,

1248
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: things that have long shelf life, things like things that

1249
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: are perishable but they have to move, and things that

1250
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: have a long shelf life. And so I wonder, you know,

1251
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: and years ago, when we are all hunters and gatherers,

1252
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: there there weren't any vegetarians. There weren't any vegans. There

1253
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: weren't any people that were anti weapon. UM. We lived

1254
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,919
Speaker 1: as animals. We thrived when there was food, We perished

1255
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: when there wasn't. We thrived when we had one baby.

1256
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: We likely lost a second child if we had to UM.

1257
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: And you know, losing men to hunting, losing women to hunting,

1258
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: losing men and women to war between tribes, losing um,

1259
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: losing individuals to starvation, to exposure to elements, things like this,

1260
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: like this is the people that we used to be.

1261
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: And so I just wonder we've I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: call it an evolution, because I think when push comes

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01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: to shove, we are not totally removed from um who

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01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: we were as hunters and gathers. That's kind of this

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Speaker 1: is where I compartmentalize in my mind. You know, you

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Speaker 1: take you take men and women that are Green berets

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01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: and Navy seals and Army rangers and fighter pilots and

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: some of these people, and I think about them, this

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: is just my I'm not drawing a line in the sand.

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 1: This is this is how I think about them. But

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Speaker 1: I think these are the people that trend more towards

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: These are the people that have not moved so far

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01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: from the zone of comfort that they that they are

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01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: still able to tap into their bodies and into their

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: minds to reach an uncomfortable state. And the people there's

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: people that can't and there's people that can. And so

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Speaker 1: I I just kind of wonder. You know, these you know,

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Speaker 1: call them Zulu warriors. Our Navy seals are Green Berets,

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: are our army rangers, Like these guys are kind of

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: who we used to be. And I think push comes

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: to shove. Like Ben, you probably have things where, you know,

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe you get cold, maybe you don't like the heat,

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: maybe you don't like to exercise, maybe you don't like

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Speaker 1: to fight. But I'll bet you a dollar if I

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: come into your house to take your life, I'll bet

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: you're going to find even if let's say you can't

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: get to your guns and we have to do this

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01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: with knives or by hands, I'll guarantee you you're going

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: to fight harder than you thought possible. You know this,

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: that's truly we are truly designed to be warriors. And

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: so I wonder through all of this, if people that

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: you know specialty diets, if they you know, people that

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: you know drive electric cars, people that are get on

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: a soapbox, even people that are into politics, things that

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01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: really do not matter um into survival. They're not food,

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: they're not shelter, they're not water. I really wonder where

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Speaker 1: those people's minds have kind of floated in this, in

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: this idea of things. And I think, for the first

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: time ever I've thought this way in my whole life,

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01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: that we could stem into a realm where people are

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: going to have like we could have a massive die

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01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: off of individuals. We could have a massive disruption in

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: our infrastructure of delivered goods, in our electricity and then

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: our communication, and if that happens in our banking. If

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: that happens, um, we could end up in a very

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: short period of time, let's call it less than on

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01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: thirty days, we could revert back to almost tribal type living.

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: I know that sounds super extreme, but if you take

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: away a lot of these creature comforts for people and

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01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: food and water and things aren't aren't coming any longer.

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: Man alive. Well, I know if you think about this

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: way too, you know when I when this is going

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: on now in A big part of the conversation is

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01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: whose job is it to handle this? The governor, the mayor,

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: the president, the senator, the congressman. When something like this happens,

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: you have to localize these issues, and so you know,

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01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: to to thinking of like I need to rely on

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01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: some far off government in Washington, DC that doesn't really

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01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: know my issues, Like I just think that's that's part

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01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: of the foolishness and all of this. And we just

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Speaker 1: actually had um Dr Robert Jones on our podcast last week,

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01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: and he's a vegan philosopher that teaches at a college

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: and lives in Hollywood. And I asked him the same

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: kind of questions I was asking you there. And his

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: first first thing and this guy's you know, complete vegan

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01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: is animal rights guy. Um him and I have a

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: good relationship because we respect each other, but we don't

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: We absolutely don't think the same way. We don't live

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: our lives the same way. And he the first thing

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: he said is self sufficiency. He was like, well, you know,

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: my the bat the battery died in my car. And

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01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: I immediately thought, well, I better learn how to change it.

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: And and I just said, man, you're articulating exactly what

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: we do when we go hunting. You know, that's like

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: some some version, not it's not the whole reason, but

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01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: there's some baked in version of what you're talking about

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01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: where you know, we are warriors and there are there

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: is a part of us. When when all that affluence

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: and comfort goes away. Does the vegan diet make any

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: sense if you're really hungry, I don't know, Probably not.

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Yeah, unless you're allergic to meat, and meat

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: is going to hurt you in somewhere where If you say, hey,

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: when I eat meat, my throat swells up and I

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: have a tough time breathing. Okay, well we better find

1345
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 1: you some vegetables. Then I'm not saying you're a vegan,

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01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: but but we better find you some blueberries. We better

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: find you. If if we looked at this as if

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Speaker 1: we're in a tribe of thirty people and one of

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01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: our tribesmen, every time he ate meat from the animals

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: we killed, he had issues, well, in reality, he'd probably die.

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01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: But if we were a highly communicating troop, if we

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: are highly um advanced, we would say, okay, um, you know,

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01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: Bill needs vegetables. So while we are killing me like,

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: we also have to gather you know, this level of

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: stuff for for hindiat and obviously this is where survival

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01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,839
Speaker 1: of the fittest comes. This is where this stuff happens

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: to animals daily, it happens to people occasionally, and it

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: just happens to be happening on a global scale right now.

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, we I was reading some numbers yesterday for inadvertent.

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01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing research for anything, but I just happened

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,839
Speaker 1: to be reading a paper on on doing some research

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: on just different things that are the flu and different things,

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Speaker 1: and um, I think it. I think it's said forty

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01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: thousand people die every month. I think forty people die

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: every month from cigarette smoke. And aside from there being

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: anti tobacco commercials, we don't even talk about it. You know,

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: twenty some thousand Americans have died from coronavirus, and I

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: know people have thrown around these numbers and said, oh,

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: the flu kills more. You know, car accidents kill more,

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Speaker 1: and I understand that, but I'm just saying, you know, people,

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Speaker 1: the only one of the biggest difference with cigarettes is

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Speaker 1: that people have to actively choose to smoke or unfortunately,

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: some people are caught in a secondhand smoke situation and

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01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: where their husband smokes or their wife smokes, or their

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: parents smoke or whatever it is. But um, forty people

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01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: a month, and we do this to ourselves and someone

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01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: a biological agent, something that's invisible that we can't see,

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01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: we can't ward off. Um, it becomes really scary. And

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01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: this one's not even like this one's scary, but it's

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01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: not even really that scary. Imagine if something came through

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: the human population that there was no cure and it

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01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: was nearly fatal. Yeah, I've been thinking about this too.

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that too a lot. That's the

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01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: thing I've been thinking about. Like, this is awful, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean we can't have like a deconstructed and

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01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: kind of like put it in context as best we can.

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01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: We don't really know much about it at this point. It'll,

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, it'll harden over time about what it actually is.

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01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: But you know, it's hundreds of thousands of people across

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: this planet have got this. It's killing It's killed tens

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, but it's also brought the global

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: economy to a virtual stand still. It's crushing millions of

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01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: businesses large and small. Um, it's putting tens of millions

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: of people or possibly even hundreds of millions of people

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01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: out of work. And just and like you just said,

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01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: while it's it's incredibly infectious, it's not like a worse

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: it's not even close to a worst case scenario virus.

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01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: And so it just it just denotes to me how

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: fragile this system is we have, um, how easily toppled

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: it is. And I've been I've said that for years.

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: So I've seen Hurricane Harvey in Texas, Hurricane Katrina, there

1402
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: was an F four tornado that came through the town

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: that I lived in in Illinois. So I've seen things

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of shut down in different ways, and this is

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01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 1: just another way. But it just kind of you know,

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure you agree with this. It just

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: shows you how fragile this thing we built is it

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: really is it really isn't And and like you were

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: just pointing out this, this isn't even really a bad one,

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01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: you know. Like, um, and I know this is a

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: hot topic and people talk about all the time, but

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm just using this as an outside example. I'm not

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: professing that this is the way. UM. I'm not professing

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01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: that this is going to happen or that this is

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01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: even um possible. But if you look at like the

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: the prions from like c W D, right, these elements

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01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: that cause UM dear undulates to have a fatal disease. UM.

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, these things can if they're nearly one fatal

1419
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: or they are one fatal. They they can live through

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01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: extreme cold, they can live through extreme heat. UM. They're

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: relatively communicable through saliva and direct contact. And so you

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: look at something like that traveling through the human population,

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01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: something like that going through more for a mutation to

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01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: become a zoonotic disease, meaning that people and animals can

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:53,520
Speaker 1: both get it and uh, and it could be absolutely devastating.

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01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: I wish I had the study right in front of

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: me so I could quote this uh intelligently. But I

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: read some thing. I read about an equation that estimated

1429
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: the spread of disease amongst the human population, and they

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01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: took liberties to tom assess this as though, um, there's

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: no cure. It was um very communicable and it was

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: fatal and if you gave it to a single individual,

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01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: let's just call it on a train in China, if

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: you gave it to a single individual and there's no

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: antidote and it just spread naturally and people really didn't

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: do social distancing, you know, there was no no change

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01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: in informed, no change in lifestyle. The Earth's population would

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 1: be reduced from nearly eight billion down to a couple

1439
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 1: of thousands of people within about ten days. Yeah, and

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: so you just think of that at the doubling rate,

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01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:58,919
Speaker 1: and you think about, um, the things that are truly possible,

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: and it's just it's much a weird time. It's such

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01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: a weird time to think about. You know, people, I'm

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01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: talking to friends, I'm talking to family members and they're like,

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: you know everyone, it's we're small. We're a people of

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: small talk, right, your friend of mine. But still when

1447
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: I bump in you at shot short a t A.

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01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: You know, I don't call your text you every day.

1449
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: But um, certainly we're pleasant with one another. Certainly, if

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01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: you invited me to go out and have dinner with you,

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: I would, and hopefully vice versa. Um, we have lots

1452
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: of friends like that that that are casual or or

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: um or you know, um uh, we're great distances of

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01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: time passing between engagements. But um, my point is like

1455
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: you look at um, you look at kind of how

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01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: we how we um how we engages people. We say, hey,

1457
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: how's the weather? Hey, Ben, how you doing? I'm doing good?

1458
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: You're busy, I'm super busy. We'll love to tell each

1459
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: other that we're busy, you know, and say, yeah, isn't

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01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: it a weird time? It's a weird time. You know,

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01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm working from home, my wife got laid off. You know,

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: we we we'd like to say that these things. I

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01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: said it to two or three people today, you know,

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01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: at the gas station, at the grocer store. Hey, how

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01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: are you doing good? Yeah, weird time? Isn't it not

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01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: so weird? And you know, but but um, but really

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: it's it's for me and for maybe other hunters. My

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Speaker 1: life hasn't changed all that much. I'm literally sitting in

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01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: a cabin nearly by myself right now on a chunk

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: of ten acres of woods. This is where our sick

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01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: man to offices are. And the musician that that we

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 1: work with, um Casey Olsen, he's in the basement scoring

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01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: music right now for our new film, Um from a

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: dact But you know, I'm gonna go Turkey hunting tomorrow.

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01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab my bow and I'm gonna go turkey

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: hunting tomorrow. I'm gonna grab my shop and I go

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01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: Turkey hunting tomorrow. And and you probably are as well.

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: And and then I have some writing to do for

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01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: the new film and I'm I have to unfortunately write

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: some stuff for Instagram and I just did. Uh. I

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01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: just finished reading um Jack cars new book, Savage Son.

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01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, probably like many hunters are reading right now.

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01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: So like, you know, like my life hasn't changed all

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: that much other than you know, there's no traffic and

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: when I go to the grocery store, you know, there's

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: not a ton of people, and um, but yeah, it's

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01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: it's It is just very interesting that I think about

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01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: what about the person that is And I'm not I'm

1489
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: not making fun of anyone, but what about the person

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: that you know, he wears Designers suits every day, He

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: drives a Ferrari, He works on Wall Street, you know,

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01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: lives in a big, fancy sky riyes apartment. Every time

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 1: he's waiting on the street corner to go to a

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: coffee shop or restaurant, he's waiting with seventy other people

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01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: across the street, Like, I wonder the people that have

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01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: completely pushed past who we really were as a people.

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01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: I wonder if those people that have just like you know,

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01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: Hollywood starlets, if you will, are people that are completely

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01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: disconnected to the to the outdoors in a wild world.

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01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: I wonder what, um, what what they're feeling like right now,

1501
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: what they're going through. It's it's it's a weird. I mean,

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01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: there's so many things too to kind of branch off

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01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: to with those thoughts. I mean, I I know I have,

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of friends I want to mention

1505
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: their names. I don't mind what if I did, But

1506
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: that have that are you know, rich, maybe a little

1507
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: famous like that, have resources and they're getting tests for

1508
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: their friends in there, you know, everybody that's around them.

1509
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: They just you know, spend the money and get the

1510
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: tests where I don't know where they get them from,

1511
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna ask, and I'm not judging them

1512
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: for doing that, but it does you know, this this

1513
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: thing kind of sets up a natural order of things

1514
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: like who has the most resources and who who is

1515
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: the most uh efficient with those resources? And it sets

1516
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: up this this thing that we would again I feel

1517
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a bridge. This isn't you know,

1518
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: this isn't a end of Times event, it's not the apocalypse,

1519
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: but it kind of has little elements of it that

1520
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: start to set up what it might start to look

1521
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: like if that did happen. Because our our world is

1522
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: kind of shut down. It's still running, but it's running

1523
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: on fumes, and so we can kind of look across

1524
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 1: the bridge and see what an apocalyptic situation might look like.

1525
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: Who gets saved, who gets trampled, who you know, who

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01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: can survive, who might not. I mean, I don't know

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01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: if you agree with that, but I find myself kind

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: of saying, like, this is just it's just a gentle

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01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: enough crisis that it has elements of true apocalyptic um notions,

1530
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: but it's not that um. But it has all the ingredients, right, Yeah,

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01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it does have all the ingredients, and and

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01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: it's so that's what makes it interesting. And I don't

1533
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: know what you think, but sometimes I feel a little

1534
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: bit guilty about how my life is pretty great right now,

1535
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: Like I I've set it up in such a way

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01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: that maybe it was it was set up for this,

1537
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: but it wasn't intentional. I didn't say like, hey, if

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01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: we set our lives up this way, we'll be okay

1539
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: in a pandemic. But um, we certainly are. And I've

1540
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people that aren't. So I

1541
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: don't know how you do you think about that, because

1542
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're doing just fine. Yeah, And

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01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: that's why it's the same way I don't. Um, it's

1544
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: the same way. I've seen people that I know that

1545
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: are very affluent and and same thing. You know they're there.

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01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's I don't know. I don't know the

1547
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: science behind this, so I can't speak to it, but

1548
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's people are talking. And I don't watch

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01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: TV and I don't watch the news. So even if

1550
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: even if you told me today what's going on, you know,

1551
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: and I had somebody today asked me about what's going

1552
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: on with elections, and I have no idea and and um,

1553
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: and so I you know, I I just don't know

1554
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: all the hot topics that are going around that have

1555
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: to do with COVID nineteen and but I completely agree

1556
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: with you, um that this has the ingredients of what

1557
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: the arm A getting might look like. And and unfortunate, unfortunately,

1558
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool. You see all these people

1559
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: staying at home, you know, are you know, are higher ups,

1560
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: whether they're right or wrong, have kind of come out

1561
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: and said, hey, everyone, we want to slow the curve.

1562
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to talk about it, and and uh so,

1563
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: let's let's have social distancing. And it's pretty remarkable that

1564
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: we've all done it. It's pretty remarkable that for the

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01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: most part, people are doing it. And then and then

1566
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: on the on the negative side of things, to see

1567
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 1: people really panic and to see them hoarding toilet paper

1568
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: and hoarding other things really is indicative of you know,

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01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: you might mow your lan. I'm a milon. We say

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01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: hello when we pass one another. You know, we are

1571
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: semi cordial. But some of these people, like it really

1572
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: seems so shortsighted that you would go to a store

1573
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: and hoard things to try to make sure that you

1574
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: have yours and no one else gets there's and I

1575
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: and and I said this to a friend of mine

1576
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: and and um, and she was laughing, and I wasn't

1577
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: being all that facetious, but and and I apologize, Ben

1578
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 1: if if this offends you or any of your listeners,

1579
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to offend you, but multiple

1580
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: times on my journeys, and I'm gonna call it hundreds

1581
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: of times, I have wiped my butt with rocks and

1582
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I heard I was laughing because I

1583
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: was listening to Andy Stump talked to this about Rogan

1584
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, I heard him say something like people,

1585
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm an a b CeAl or whatever he was saying,

1586
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 1: and he was basically saying like, there are things that

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01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: you need to survive. There are things that you need

1588
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: to do on a really bad day. There are things

1589
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 1: that you need to do to protect your family and

1590
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: and provide for your family. But I assure you, toilet

1591
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: paper has never saved anyone's life. And it's just so ridiculous.

1592
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: And and when I heard about people buying toilet paper,

1593
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I was dismissing it because I wasn't watching the news,

1594
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: so I was friends of mine were telling me like, hey,

1595
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: do you have enough toilet paper? I'm like, I don't know,

1596
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, you gotta all get something. It's

1597
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: all going away. And I said, man, I'll go out

1598
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: in the yard and I'll wipe my butt with my

1599
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: hand and I'll rinse it off with a hose. I

1600
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 1: could care less if I have to do that. And

1601
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I said to this a friend of mine one time,

1602
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 1: I said, I'm wipe my hundreds of times with rocks,

1603
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: and she said, you're kidding me. I said no. I said,

1604
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: I even have a little method of how I do it,

1605
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: where I, you know, take a rock and do the

1606
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: first one throw it. We'll have another rock. And as

1607
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: you progress from the beginning to end, you go from

1608
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: a rough rock to smoother rocks. And I said, you'd

1609
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: be surprised. And how it can clean you can get

1610
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: when and you know, like because there's times when we've

1611
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: run out of toilet paper. There's times where we forgot

1612
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: toilet paper. There's times where our toilet paper got soaking

1613
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: wet because it was in the wrong pocket and somebody

1614
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: didn't do their job very much, could have been me

1615
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: and didn't put the toilet paper inside of a seat,

1616
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: a summit bag or a coo you bag, or a

1617
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: or a ziploc bag. And so there's all sorts of

1618
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: things and that happened in the bush that make you

1619
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: have to kind of cut corners. But yeah, my life

1620
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: hasn't changed that much. I'm very sad for we have

1621
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: had some you know, we want. We own a production

1622
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: company called Sick Manta. We've had some shoots get canceled,

1623
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: so it's it's hurt our bottom line in that regard,

1624
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: but that's just business. Some sometimes that happens for no

1625
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 1: reason that all we've had shoots get canceled, So we

1626
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 1: can't blame that entirely on on COVID nineteen. But yeah,

1627
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's interesting and and I've

1628
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,839
Speaker 1: heard people trying to put saunas, people that are affluent

1629
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: that I know they're trying to put saunas in their

1630
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: houses because they heard that taking saunas every day is

1631
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: going to help, and and I'm sure it would. I'm

1632
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: saunas are pretty healthy regardless. I'm not saying it's gonna

1633
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: kill COVID nineteen. But you know what I'm talking about.

1634
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: People are talking about vitamin therapies and and taking cold

1635
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: showers and hot baths and all these different things that

1636
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: are people are trying to better themselves. But really, for me,

1637
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this to a few people, but

1638
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: having that presence like you kind of just spoke about

1639
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: that presence, that mindfulness, like it's I think it's really

1640
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: sad that people are looking out for themselves and people.

1641
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I read something read something somewhere where going a gun

1642
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: owner said, and I'm sure you probably read it too

1643
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: because on social media, but he said something like, how

1644
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 1: funny I see my anti gun neighbor stockpiling a bunch

1645
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 1: of goods in his garage. I'll just go over there

1646
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: later after he gets it all full. I'll just go

1647
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: over there later with my gun and take it all.

1648
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: And I just I know you think that's disgusting. I

1649
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: don't even have to ask your opinion, but it's just

1650
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: like I would much rather get my gun set up

1651
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: to defend some sort of enemy, whether that be foreign

1652
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: or domestic, and get my toilet paper to my neighbors,

1653
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: get my food to my neighbors, get my food to

1654
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: my family two people that need it, to your family.

1655
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: I would much rather suffer burn and die than to

1656
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 1: have one of my neighbors or a perfect stranger even

1657
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: go through that. I would much rather shake their hand,

1658
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: looked him in the eye, and say, hey, I've got this,

1659
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: let's get you taken care of. To me, that is

1660
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: far more uh interesting, That is far are more the

1661
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: element of how I want to live my life then

1662
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 1: going to the grocery store and stalking up on toilet paper.

1663
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: All the things we're talking about are are true that

1664
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: you know, I find comfort in a full freezer and

1665
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: a full gun safe. I do. But I've been very careful,

1666
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: trying to be very careful. I speak a lot into

1667
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: a microphone, so you never really know, but I've been

1668
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: trying to be very careful not to flaunt that to

1669
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: other people as if it makes me better than them

1670
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: somehow or stronger than them somehow. I I feel exactly

1671
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: how you feel. And in terms of like, hey man,

1672
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,799
Speaker 1: I do this. This is I don't knit my own clothes.

1673
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you knit your own clothes. Maybe you, you know,

1674
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: have another way to be self sufficient that I don't know.

1675
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: So let's trade those things, you know, Like that's that's

1676
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: where how you're gonna get somewhere and build a community.

1677
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: And maybe, you know, maybe this thing ends up being

1678
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: a positive at the end of the day, because we

1679
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: can start to understand how important our neighbors are and

1680
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: people that live within direct, you know, close proximity to us,

1681
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 1: how important they are and how helpful they can be.

1682
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Because I don't, you know, I've lived in a lot

1683
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: of places and and a lot of places I've lived.

1684
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: Your neighbors barely can be bothered to wave at you. Um,

1685
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: it's not that way where I live now, but it's

1686
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: it's been that way, I would say, the bulk of

1687
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: places where I've lived over my life, and I've I've

1688
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: moved around quite a bit. So it's just I just wonder,

1689
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of positive things came in glean

1690
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: from this and in the bigger I guess the bigger

1691
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 1: question that I know you'll have, just given your background,

1692
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,600
Speaker 1: you'll have some thoughts on It's like, how does this

1693
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, this kind of thing came from that zoologic

1694
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: like it came from nature in a way, or at

1695
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 1: least our interaction with nature. Oh there's yeah, there's no

1696
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: not even in a way. This is nature, Ben, this

1697
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: is exactly how it's designed to be to move through. Yeah,

1698
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 1: and I've had um and this is silly. I did

1699
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: not do this. I have not done this on any level.

1700
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: But I had a couple of people reach out to me,

1701
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe ten or twenty people reach out and said, oh

1702
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: my word, you predicted this because I would say things

1703
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: on podcast or I'd say things in doing interviews with people,

1704
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: and I would say, you know, this is Mother Nature

1705
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: is going to reach up and and take you know,

1706
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: this is anthropomorphizing uh an idea, but she's going to

1707
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: reach up and take back what is hers. Let's call

1708
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: it the earth. And so these are this is how

1709
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:28,919
Speaker 1: recycling works. And so you know, I haven't predicted anything.

1710
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is, since I started my

1711
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 1: education at the university, and since I started talking to

1712
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 1: biologists and talking to um UH medical doctors and talking

1713
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: to zoologists and and people that really understood how populations

1714
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: ebb and flow. You know, I used to work for

1715
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: an amazing ecologist um named Dr David Smith at the

1716
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: University of Minnesota, and he you know, these these things

1717
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: not only not only is this mother Nature, this is

1718
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: literally how it's designed to work. We are a population

1719
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: of animals. We are we are a ball of rock

1720
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: and water that is warmed by the sun. We rotate

1721
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: around the sun. It's really that simple plants and animals

1722
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 1: grow on the face of this thing. We as people,

1723
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: because we have complex brains and because we have opposable thumbs,

1724
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: we have developed borders in which we defend them with

1725
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: guns and we and we um overthrow other societies, and

1726
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: we fight for goods and we UM and we have

1727
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: trading policies, and we now have politics, and we we

1728
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: as a species has um both evolved from what we

1729
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: were from from grade apes into UM what we are

1730
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: as a people right now. And then and then we

1731
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: from the fact that we have complex brains and opposable thumbs,

1732
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: we have developed this infrastructure of travel, this andra structure

1733
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 1: of communication, of of wherewithal and politics and UM technical

1734
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: weapons and technical UM technical devices. I mean, look at

1735
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now, Ben, Look at the conversation

1736
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: that you and I are having right now. I'm looking

1737
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: at a little spot on a map where you are.

1738
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: You're looking a little spot on a map where I am,

1739
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: and we're both talking into microphones. It's pretty it's pretty sensational.

1740
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 1: But I think that, um, you know, we have almost

1741
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: eight billion people on the face of the earth. At

1742
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 1: some point, something is going to happen that is going

1743
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: to travel through that population of people and wipe us out.

1744
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: And I mean entirely. I don't mean COVID nineteen. I

1745
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: mean with entirety. Now, it's not that often that a

1746
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: population gets wiped out, wiped out there's this idea of

1747
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 1: you know, we um viruses mutate, bacteria's mutate, they become

1748
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: they become resistance. People will also mute. Take right if

1749
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,560
Speaker 1: if if there is an ailment, let's call it, you

1750
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: know whatever, call it whatever you want. Just you know,

1751
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: if there was a virus that that ran through the

1752
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: human population and killed the people on Earth, the ten

1753
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: percent remaining were either a mutation of a previous human

1754
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: that is resistant to that virus that just rolled through

1755
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: the population, or they contracted the virus and for whatever

1756
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: reason became symptomatic, developed antibodies and continued living. So that

1757
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: population of people, let's say it's down to people, that

1758
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: population of people will start repopulating the earth. And it's

1759
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: this idea. I've said it before. It's called differential reproductive success.

1760
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: Those people a survival of the fittest. Those are the

1761
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: people that survived, They are the most fit for that situation.

1762
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 1: They start procreating, creating children that are also resistant, maybe

1763
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: even more resistant than their parents. As the populations continue,

1764
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a um there are animals that

1765
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: do this in the wild. You know, there are there

1766
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: are snakes that are resistant to poison, and so they

1767
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: eat animals, frogs, lizards that are super poisonous. They'll eat

1768
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: these things and and uh and the lids through the poison.

1769
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 1: But then the next population of of prey ups their

1770
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: poison level and thus killing a few snakes. But then

1771
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: a couple of snakes eat those animals and get very,

1772
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: very sick, but survive. Then their offspring is even more resistant.

1773
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: Well that's how we as people. That's what we're going

1774
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 1: to start experiencing more and more because we're starting to

1775
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: achieve carrying capacity on the face of the earth. I

1776
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 1: said this to Rogan. I think I said this to Rogan,

1777
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: and he kind of he was like, now, because I said,

1778
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: it's a scary thing to think of that. It's it's

1779
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: a hard it's a hard intellectual herd will get over

1780
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: it is it is. And people we like to think

1781
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 1: that we are people. We like to think that animals

1782
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,480
Speaker 1: are animals. We like to you know, we buy deer licenses,

1783
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: we go hunting, we shoot deer. We're hunters. They're the prey.

1784
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: How could we possibly be in the same class of

1785
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: animals that they are. But the fact of the matter

1786
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: is we are animals, and no matter how complex we are,

1787
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: if this element rolls through our population, um, it's going

1788
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: to respond very much like it is right now. And

1789
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: and um, this is the natural order of things. Now

1790
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: that the the piece of this that is unnatural is

1791
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: how closely we are um to one another. We don't

1792
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 1: have geographical borders anymore. Barriers we don't have We don't

1793
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: live on different continents now to where we can't get

1794
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: to the other content. You know, if something if something

1795
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: went through Africa and just wipe Africa out, but we

1796
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: weren't sailing between continents, certainly not flying, but we weren't

1797
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: even sailing between continents. Whatever wiped out Africa would stay

1798
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 1: in Africa, and that population that subset pope lation that

1799
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: was left over would be resilient to whatever that was

1800
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: and it would start repopulating the continent with with um

1801
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: another another form of human that is mutated to handle

1802
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 1: that disease or virus. But it wouldn't come to North

1803
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,799
Speaker 1: America or South America until you know, something here mutated.

1804
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: So but the way we travel right now, UM, it's

1805
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: something scary really comes down the pike, we're going to

1806
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: experience it. Yeah, there's there's a bunch of things in

1807
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: that but if you would, just if you would just

1808
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: start at because I think there's an idea that's interesting

1809
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 1: to explore in this. There's I think there's a lot

1810
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 1: of if you read a lot of there's influential thinkers

1811
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 1: that believed, and there's people to this day they believe,

1812
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: like the coronavirus style event like this, that through technology

1813
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: and progress and innovation and science and data, that we

1814
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: could overpower nature, right so, or we can kind of

1815
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: harness nature to do our bidding. There's like a there's

1816
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: a there's a strange and probably overly fillosophical discussion in there,

1817
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 1: but it goes back to you know, the seventeenth century. Um,

1818
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of this idea when you read like

1819
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: the card and and I read this in an article

1820
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: the other day where he says, you know, we can

1821
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: render ourselves the masters and possessions of nature, like we

1822
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: if if we only can progress far enough, we'll have

1823
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: control over this natural world, will be able to kind

1824
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: of shape it in our own, our own way. And

1825
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I think what we're talking about here is that you know, maybe,

1826
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,759
Speaker 1: but you know, checkmate, when when the natural world decides

1827
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: to take it back? Yeah, yeah, I mean check like

1828
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 1: like you tell me, tell me, tell me how how

1829
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: much technology helps you with an F five tornado? Yeah,

1830
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, and and um and something like this, like

1831
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: it is. We are very technically advanced, right, Look at

1832
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about creating a vaccine to COVID nineteen in

1833
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years. That to my knowledge, vaccines are amazing.

1834
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts that vaccines have got a bad

1835
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: reputation over the years, because vaccines are amazing, and most

1836
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: of the bad reputation that have uh followed vaccines is

1837
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: basically wives tales in my opinion. And so the fact

1838
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 1: that these guys can even talk about creating a vaccine

1839
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 1: in a couple of years is astonishing to me. But

1840
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: so that is fantastic, right, that is going to face

1841
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: this strain of a virus head on. But you know

1842
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: that there's there's going to be something else that comes.

1843
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: It's just a natural way. It's not I don't wanna,

1844
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't wanna. I don't want to go down a

1845
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: rabbit hole that's gonna get me in trouble. But it's, um,

1846
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: this is this is just the natural world. It isn't

1847
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: It isn't good, It isn't bad. This isn't punishment or reward.

1848
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: This isn't you know. Some people might say, um, we're

1849
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 1: overpopulated and so we have to kill a bunch of

1850
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 1: people like we you know, and that's that's not what

1851
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: this is. This is just what happened to a population, um.

1852
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,520
Speaker 1: And and sometimes these things can result in and be devastating,

1853
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and sometimes they just burned through like a wildfire and

1854
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: then everything starts to re grow behind it. And that's

1855
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: basically that's basically how I look at this stuff. But

1856
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 1: we have the we have the technology to create a vaccines,

1857
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: so we can ward it off and we can fight

1858
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,440
Speaker 1: against it, and we can move past as a population.

1859
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 1: But really something else is going to come down the pike.

1860
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I think this is a good time. Um. I've heard

1861
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 1: people talking about that they've really had to really enjoyed

1862
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: the quiet time with their families, and that they've really

1863
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed some um closeness with their neighbors in just the

1864
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: regard of you know, waving, waving to one another and

1865
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: just having a sense of community even from a short distance.

1866
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: And because these are people that these are usually the

1867
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: people that were passing on the freeway and when we're

1868
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: going to our jobs. But now we finally their home

1869
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 1: were homes were able to wave and have these discussions

1870
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 1: even from afar, And so I think that's really remarkable

1871
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: in that regard. Um. But I I think this is

1872
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: a fantastic time to think about presence and mindfulness. This

1873
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: is a fantastic time to think about, like you said,

1874
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: like your life, like you've inadvertently set your life up

1875
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 1: to be very successful in this type of response. And

1876
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 1: I think that's really just probably true to your interests

1877
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: and my interests. You know, we enjoy hunting. We have

1878
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: freezers full of game. We enjoy um forging in the

1879
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 1: forest so we can find some fun food to eat.

1880
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: We enjoy being outside. So like tomorrow morning, I'm going

1881
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: turkey hunting it tomorrow morning. When the sun starts coming

1882
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 1: up and I start hearing Tom's gobbling on tree tops,

1883
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I might as well have won the lottery. I'm not

1884
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: doing it to social distance myself. I'm not doing it

1885
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: to say, hey, I'm gonna go out in the woods

1886
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow because I really I can't go to the store,

1887
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: can't go to the movie theater. You know, I'm sick

1888
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 1: of watching TV. I'm just gonna go outside No, this

1889
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: is what I do, whether there's a camera with me

1890
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: or not. And tomorrow morning, when those birds start firing off,

1891
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: even if they don't, even if there isn't a turkey

1892
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: within ten miles, and I just have to listen to

1893
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 1: songbirds and and watch deer come out in the morning,

1894
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel like I won the lottery. And I

1895
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: think that's really for people get to that point or

1896
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: realize that point, or maybe take a step back from

1897
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: this and say, Okay, maybe my maybe my best day

1898
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: doesn't come from a speedboat, do you know what I mean?

1899
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's something else here that's right at my

1900
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: fingertips that I can do that I really makes me

1901
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: really enjoy life. Um, that I can do even in

1902
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: a scenario such as this. Yeah, that's a great way

1903
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: to articulate. I mean I did. I'm doing the same

1904
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: day tomorrow all day, and I was doing it yesterday

1905
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: yesterday evening, and there was sandhill cranes walking through this field,

1906
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: red wing blackbirds flying overhead, there was some turkeys around,

1907
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: it was snow, and there was deer walking around, and

1908
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, and I've tried articulates, I think

1909
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,879
Speaker 1: on the show before and I definitely try to articulate

1910
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 1: this to my wife, and I don't think I do

1911
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: it right. So maybe I don't think I quite get

1912
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: it out there right way. And because it's a hard

1913
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: thing to say, I told her the other day, I said,

1914
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 1: I look that. I think the reason why I was

1915
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: drawn to live in a place like Montana is because

1916
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: I could look. I could visually see the representation of

1917
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: like of joy. When I look at the mountains, I

1918
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I know what's over there, and I know what it

1919
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: means to me, and it doesn't nothing else has to

1920
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: happen except my ability to access it. And that's why

1921
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm a big component of public lands, is because I've

1922
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,560
Speaker 1: lived in places where there aren't public lands, and I

1923
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 1: now live in a place where there are millions of

1924
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: acres of place I could spend the rest of my

1925
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: life and not touched them all. And so it's like

1926
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 1: that idea that what you just described is available to

1927
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: me at any time, whether I'm hunting or just want

1928
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: to go watch some birds um or make a fire

1929
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: and watch some birds. But my three year old, I mean,

1930
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,560
Speaker 1: that's there, and so there's this like place I know

1931
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 1: that's there, So it makes me comfortable. It allows me

1932
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 1: to be happy and when times get tough, because I

1933
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: know there's this like, there's this joy right over there

1934
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: hanging around those mountains, and all I gotta do is

1935
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 1: find the time to go and explore it, and so

1936
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 1: that it's like a comfort blanket in a weird way

1937
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: for me. You know. I know that's probably overly philosophical

1938
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: for just explaining why you love you go outside, but

1939
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: it is this kind of this time does denote that

1940
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: right when we're turkey hunting, it doesn't matter if there's

1941
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: a pandemic on or if if something's going on in town.

1942
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:35,600
Speaker 1: You know, if a business is shut down, you're just

1943
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: out there doing it. And to have that in your

1944
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: life is an important thing. Um and especially to have

1945
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,640
Speaker 1: that divorce from our society other than the fact that

1946
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: they need to allow us to access it, that's pretty great. Yeah,

1947
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,600
Speaker 1: And that's and that's exactly. And I know people like

1948
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 1: to say it like you're being overly philosophical, but really

1949
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: that's it. Really. If you if you if you take

1950
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: any time at all to think about it, you take

1951
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: any time at all to really think about who you

1952
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 1: are and what you really want, what would you do

1953
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: what what would you do if you're on this earth

1954
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: by yourself? Well, what really would you be doing if

1955
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 1: you're here all alone? And and um, I just think

1956
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: it's it's I think it's very very important. And I

1957
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, potentially a lot of people

1958
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: struggle with that question of Um, are they doing what

1959
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: they really enjoy doing? Are they chasing something that their

1960
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: friends are chasing? Are they chasing something that their spouses chasing?

1961
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 1: Do they not? You know, I've met people, Um, I've

1962
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: met people that you know, I have a couple of buddies.

1963
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: I have a couple of buddies that all they do

1964
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: is hunt white tail deer. They don't fish, they don't

1965
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 1: hunt ducks, they don't hunt elk, they don't want to

1966
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,599
Speaker 1: hunt all sheep. These guys hunt white tail deer. If

1967
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 1: I gave them a free stone cheep hunt. If I said, hey,

1968
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: you guys, I want a stone chep hunt and I

1969
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: can't go, Do you guys want to go? And be

1970
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: like no, no thanks, man like, and I can tell them, hey,

1971
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: it's a very expensive hunt. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, find

1972
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 1: find someone else. I we like to you know, we're

1973
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: hunting deer at that time, or whatever it is like,

1974
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 1: and I am these guys because I like it all.

1975
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a I'm a birder, I'm a turkey hunter.

1976
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm a fly fisherman. I'm a bass fisherman. I'm a

1977
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 1: mouskie fisherman. I'd like, you know, stopping and looking at insects.

1978
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 1: I like doing habitat work. So I'm guilty of it all.

1979
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 1: And thus I kind of, you know, bounce around inside

1980
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: a bounce around outside, kind of like a kid in

1981
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 1: a in a fun house and looking at all the

1982
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: mirrors at a at a carnival, and and I don't

1983
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: know what to look at or to go do next,

1984
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: because I want to do it all. And I I

1985
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: have a couple of buddies that all they do is

1986
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: fish bass. That's it. No wallees, no muskies, no salt water,

1987
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,559
Speaker 1: they don't fly fish. It is just bass all the time,

1988
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 1: full time. And I kind of envy that. But then

1989
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: I have a group of friends also that I've asked, like,

1990
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 1: so what, you know, what are you into? They do

1991
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: different things. They'll go to parties, they'll go out to dinner,

1992
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: or they do some cooking things like that. But I

1993
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: ask them, like you know, what are you into? You know,

1994
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: what are your hobbies? And they can't even they can't

1995
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: even articulate what a hobby might be. You know, I'd say, well,

1996
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 1: do you do you like boats? Well? Yeah, you know, yeah,

1997
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I like to I like to go out on the water.

1998
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 1: And what do you do you you know, do you

1999
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: like hunting? Well, I don't really like being cold? Okay,

2000
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: well do you like video games? So I've you know,

2001
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 1: I've played video games a little bit. And you're like,

2002
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 1: they can't, like there's nothing that's really like burns them,

2003
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: you know. And and so I kind of feel sorry

2004
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: for people like that, but you're exactly right, you call it.

2005
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 1: I've received a few letters over the years, not many,

2006
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe maybe five, maybe ten, where guys are like, hey, man,

2007
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: stop with all the fancy talk. Uh, don't waste your

2008
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: time writing with all these fancy words. I don't know

2009
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,640
Speaker 1: why you have to be so philosophical or you have

2010
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 1: to be so so deep, like just hunt, you know.

2011
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: And and I could care less what they have to say,

2012
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: because when I'm sitting there on the ground in the

2013
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: morning and I see an American red start come and

2014
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 1: land on a uh, you know, a hickory bush in

2015
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: front of me and sit there and spread his wings

2016
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: out and do his little song and dance then flitterr

2017
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 1: off Like that is going to make my day. That

2018
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: is really honestly going to move me. There's not gonna

2019
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 1: make a camera there. I'm not being filmed tomorrow morning.

2020
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have a photographer. It's gonna be

2021
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 1: me sitting there against a tree with with prickly ash

2022
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: all around me. And and I got a couple of

2023
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 1: big oak trees, and I know some tom's have been

2024
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 1: using and and I'm gonna go in there and and

2025
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: to me, that's literally everything. Like if I think about,

2026
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 1: what would you do, Ben, if you're here by yourself,

2027
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: or what would you do? Honestly, Ben, what would you

2028
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: do if you were a billionaire? What would you do

2029
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a billionaire, what would you do? Hunt?

2030
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Hunt way more? Yeah? So so you you would buy

2031
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: more land. You you would do the exact same thing

2032
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: I would. You would buy more land. You would take

2033
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: more of your friends to go do things that you've

2034
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: maybe seen and want them to see, because that's fun

2035
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 1: to do that. And you would I don't know, I

2036
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 1: mean maybe you have. You know, maybe deep down inside

2037
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: you want to own a Lamborghini or something like that

2038
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 1: that I don't know, But like what I would do

2039
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: is I would buy land, and I would probably buy

2040
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 1: some of my buddies land. Like I can't imagine the curse,

2041
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,759
Speaker 1: and I call it a curse, but I can't imagine

2042
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,480
Speaker 1: the curse of being as bright as as Jeff Bezos

2043
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: and as you know, Bill Gates and these guys that

2044
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: are just mega, mega wealthy. That has got to be

2045
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 1: like you're indebted to society. People really look at you

2046
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 1: from everything from jobs to donations to philanthropy to tell

2047
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:49,759
Speaker 1: us the next big idea, where's the where's the economy going?

2048
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 1: Help us what it's going on with disease? How do

2049
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: we find cures? Can you please pay for this? Like

2050
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 1: the responsibility has got to be absolutely tremendous, But like

2051
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I I get to the point,

2052
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how much money I would need to

2053
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 1: live my quote unquote dream life, because I feel like

2054
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 1: I'm living it right now to an extent, I would

2055
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: definitely do things like I don't live on a five

2056
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: thousand acre farm. If I had that kind of money,

2057
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: I would live on a five dollarsand acre farm, right

2058
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 1: and so um. But that's why I think about, like

2059
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: what you would do if you're a billionaire, what would

2060
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: you do if you were here by yourself? Because I'm

2061
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 1: doing it because I want to do it. Well, that's

2062
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 1: it right there. There's the thing that those of us

2063
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 1: that are kind of in the And that's why I

2064
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: think when you say about you know, casual friends or acquaintances,

2065
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 1: that that we all kind of think. And I see

2066
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 1: this because I interview people, you know, weekly, if not

2067
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: daily at some point, and everybody seems to have that

2068
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: same especially in this quarantine. I've learned it um same

2069
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 1: comfort level. They have that same knowledge that you know

2070
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: they know and I imagine somebody that loves to play

2071
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 1: piano might feel this too, But they know the thing

2072
01:53:56,040 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: that kind of brings them, um, the ultimate happiness or

2073
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 1: at least gives them fulfilledness. And once you know what

2074
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: that is, then you all you want to do is

2075
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: chase that thing. You know, all you wanna do is

2076
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: go running after that that feeling, and all the money

2077
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:14,479
Speaker 1: you'd ever earned would just be too would be applied

2078
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: there in you know, you would just be taking that

2079
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: money and throwing it at that thing. You know that

2080
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: we'll bring you that ultimate fulfillment. So it's good and

2081
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: it's good to have that, you know absolutely you think

2082
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: like you know rock climbers, you know, or like that's

2083
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 1: a perfect example of being a pianist. Like that guy

2084
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: what a joy. His fingertips can bring him everything that

2085
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 1: he wants or more. You know, he can find uh

2086
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: solstice in just playing that music and hearing that music,

2087
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, like in the um in that um Stephen

2088
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: I think it is Stephen King shaw Shank redemption was

2089
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: at him? Was that Stephen King? Either way, it's a

2090
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 1: great yeah yeah yeah um anyway, Um when when when

2091
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: the one prisoner um Andy Defrane is in in the hole,

2092
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, and he had for playing Mozart over the

2093
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: over the award and speakers, and you know when he

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01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 1: got out, his his buddies were like how how terrible

2095
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 1: is that? He's like, oh, it wasn't that bad. I

2096
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: had Mozart with me, you know, And those guys are

2097
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, what do you mean they let someone

2098
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 1: You had someone with you And he's like, no, it's

2099
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: in my mind is you know, they can't take that away?

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01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 1: And it's that's kind of what I'm talking about, is

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01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 1: that having that, you know, being that penist, being able

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01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: to play your music for you and to pour yourself

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01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 1: into learning more music and playing music. And you know,

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01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 1: you think about rock climbers, right, rock climbers always get

2105
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 1: always get and skiers they always get kind of earmarked

2106
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, I'm just a rock climbing bomb. I

2107
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 1: live in a van and I eat peanut butter and jelly.

2108
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 1: Well it's not because they're poor, it's because they're rich.

2109
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 1: It's because all they need is a down sleeping bag,

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01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: a few pieces of if you all, or even clothing

2111
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 1: or PATAGONI your clothing, uh, peanut butter and jelly sandwich,

2112
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 1: and a rock wall with their ropes and anchors. And

2113
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: if you're Alex Hannelley, you don't even need that. And

2114
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: if you're free soloing and so like you, you think

2115
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 1: of these things like these these guys, the ones that

2116
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 1: appear to be bums, the surfers that sleep on the

2117
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 1: beach or in a little tent, fly fisherman, that these

2118
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 1: guys that are just you know, camping next to the

2119
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: river l it's just because that's all they need you know,

2120
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 1: we're capable of of fantastic good, and we're capable of

2121
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 1: fantastic bad. And so I think just does give us

2122
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 1: a little heads up, um, and the ability to adjust.

2123
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 1: And I wonder I've heard experts say that we won't

2124
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 1: go back. Um. I read this the other day that

2125
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 1: somebody was surmising that we won't go back to restaurants.

2126
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: We won't go back to shaking hands and giving hugs

2127
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 1: and kisses. We won't. You know, movie theaters will never

2128
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: be the same, concerts will never be the same, you know.

2129
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,240
Speaker 1: And and um, I just three. I think I think

2130
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: people will forget about this relatively quickly, and we'll fall,

2131
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 1: We'll get we'll fall right back into um that false,

2132
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: false sense of security, that lull of security and saying

2133
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 1: and going back to feeling somewhat invincible. But um, I

2134
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 1: think the people that are going through it right now,

2135
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 1: well maybe the ones with presents, the ones that have

2136
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: wherewithal will think about this in much the way that

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01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 1: your grandmother or great grandmother. You know you, I'd be

2138
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: shocked if you didn't say this yourself at one point

2139
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: in your life where where someone says, man, you ben

2140
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 1: your grandmother has eight frying pans, and you say, I

2141
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 1: know she won't throw anything out. You know, she lives

2142
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: with a Great depression, and and you know she'll find

2143
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 1: a use for every one of those frying pans. And

2144
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 1: if it comes to it, she'll give a frying pan

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01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 1: to a neighbor. And and like, you know, she's saving

2146
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: that old bicycle because if she takes the front wheel

2147
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: off that bicycle, that makes that bicycle functional or whatever

2148
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 1: it may be. It's we find ourselves saying, oh, yeah,

2149
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: my great grandmother lived during the Great Depression, so you

2150
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: know she saves all those things. And because back then

2151
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: they had to make use of all those things. And

2152
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 1: the more of that stuff that you had, the more

2153
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 1: you're able to sidestep and adapt to either make something

2154
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 1: run or to get transportation or food or to cultivate food,

2155
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So I think the people that

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01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 1: are impacted this on the front lines, that people that

2157
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: see this, taste this, smell this. Maybe the people that

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01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: are in New York City, Um, maybe the people that

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01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 1: are in northern Italy, like the people that have seen, um,

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01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: the blood and guts of this, of this virus, of

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01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: this pandemic will go forward in life with a different perspective.

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01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 1: And some of that I think is this is gonna

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01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 1: sound terrible. I don't know how to say this without

2164
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: it sounding terrible. But this is sometimes a bit of

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: a reward, um, a bit of a uh you know,

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01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 1: kind of a pre check me, a slap in the face.

2167
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 1: You've been punched now, so now you can wake up.

2168
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: Your your cheek is stinging, your teeth are loose, you're nervous,

2169
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 1: You've you're in pain, like you can you now have

2170
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 1: ultimate presence. You are you've entered into your parasympathetic nervous system.

2171
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 1: You are wide awake. And so I think, um, some

2172
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff is kind of good. I I um

2173
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 1: to give you a point of this. I went and

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01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: spoke with a young man last year, last winter, I

2175
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: think it was, and he's a burn victim, and um,

2176
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: I went and sat in his I didn't want to

2177
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: go see him. I didn't. I didn't want to go

2178
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: visit him. If I'm being honest, I was nervous about it.

2179
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what I was gonna say to him.

2180
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 1: He's already burnt up pretty bad, and so I was like,

2181
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't you know, he's gonna be bandaged up and

2182
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting there, and he he kind of

2183
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 1: wanted to meet me and and um, just have a

2184
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,080
Speaker 1: day of it. And I went over there, and as

2185
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: soon as the walls kind of came down and I

2186
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 1: was able to spend um time with him, I spent

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02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,880
Speaker 1: the whole afternoon with him, and I loved it. I

2188
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 1: love talking to him, and I love talked to his family,

2189
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 1: and and I said something to him towards the end

2190
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: of our time together. I said, man, you're you're so

2191
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,000
Speaker 1: lucky that you got burned. And I saw his mom

2192
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: just snapped her head across the room, and I saw

2193
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,400
Speaker 1: his dad, you know, he kind of he kind of

2194
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: looked at me a little bit. But then I saw

2195
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: I saw the emotion on his dad's face. Almost instantly

2196
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 1: he kind of got it. And his mom was looking

2197
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 1: at me very concerned, like I was gonna say something stupid.

2198
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 1: And I said, you're super lucky, and he looked at

2199
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 1: me puzzled. I said, man, like, now everything in your

2200
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:46,840
Speaker 1: life is going to be measured against having your entire

2201
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,640
Speaker 1: body burned. You already know what it's like to have

2202
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: a horrible day, So like everything else in your life.

2203
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 1: Pizza is gonna taste better, you know, the desserts are

2204
02:00:57,560 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna taste better. You're a walk with your girlfriend is

2205
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna be better. The sunrise, a turkey gobble, he's a

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02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 1: hunter um on your next elk bugle, like, these things

2207
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 1: are going to be better. Driving a car again when

2208
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: you can in the springtime, roll the windows down, turn

2209
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:15,480
Speaker 1: the radio up, and go fast on the back country

2210
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 1: road in your car. These things are going to be better,

2211
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:22,920
Speaker 1: and they're probably going to lessen over time, because you're

2212
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 1: you getting burned is going to diminish in your mind.

2213
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:27,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna kind of forget the pain that you went through.

2214
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna forget the hardship that you went through. But

2215
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 1: it should always be there to kind of remind you

2216
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 1: of what a bad day is like. And that's kind

2217
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 1: of what I mean when we talk about people that

2218
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 1: are sitting on the front lines of this or even

2219
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: anything else. Right, we we we achieve tragedy every day

2220
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 1: as a people. We see horrible things with animals, we

2221
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 1: see horrible things with people. Weather events. You know, people

2222
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 1: in people in Kansas don't deserve to have an F

2223
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 1: five tornado rip through their town and babies lose their

2224
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 1: lives and grandpa's lose their lives, and like these are

2225
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 1: this is real tragedy, eat, but it also gives us

2226
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to grow. And it also gives us an

2227
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to lend a hand to people that that either

2228
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:09,160
Speaker 1: can't fight for themselves or or can't maybe find their

2229
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 1: way exactly right now. And so I think there are

2230
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 1: silver linings to things like this, oh for sure, man,

2231
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 1: And I I'm glad you brought up that, like the

2232
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 1: our grandparents generation. We were talking about this the other day.

2233
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:22,200
Speaker 1: I think I was talking to guy Nike Eastman about

2234
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 1: this on the show and exactly that. And they think

2235
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 1: we always say, oh, man, that's just that generation. They

2236
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:33,800
Speaker 1: worked that hard, they understood loss, they knew why each

2237
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: morning they had to get up at four in the

2238
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: morning and worked till eight o'clock. They were built differently.

2239
02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 1: And the point you make is great, man, it's it's

2240
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 1: very well stated, and that they were molded into that

2241
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:49,480
Speaker 1: by incredible hardship. They were molded into kind of a

2242
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:52,520
Speaker 1: different type of human even in a lot of ways,

2243
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 1: at least the ones that succeeded and got got out

2244
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 1: of there and with some success. You know, my grandfather

2245
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,080
Speaker 1: was very much that way. He worked and that's what

2246
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 1: he did, and he knew if he worked hard enough,

2247
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: he could make a good life. But there was no

2248
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,800
Speaker 1: good life without hard work. And um, that's because he

2249
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: came from that era and he knew what it was like,

2250
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,520
Speaker 1: you know. So maybe maybe we can use this is

2251
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 1: this is a seminal moment like that to say we

2252
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,560
Speaker 1: know what we have to do to be better than

2253
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: the next pandemic. Um So, and that's that's incredibly well

2254
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 1: put on your part. I think it if anybody could

2255
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:31,040
Speaker 1: take anything from from you or from listening to this man,

2256
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 1: that's that's that Hopefully that can you know, really put

2257
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 1: this into perspective because I think at some level that's

2258
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,840
Speaker 1: what we're all searching for, just like perspective, what's going

2259
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,560
Speaker 1: on here, what's going on in your life? How do

2260
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:45,000
Speaker 1: you think we can make this better? Because there's this

2261
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:49,600
Speaker 1: void of of and that there just isn't enough facts

2262
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: and data out there, and this has created a void

2263
02:03:52,240 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 1: of confusion and and we're gonna fill that with something. Yeah. Absolutely,

2264
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:05,880
Speaker 1: it's it's um, it's we can't live our lives. We

2265
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: cannot live our lives like this is our last day

2266
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,600
Speaker 1: on earth. But we have to try to get as

2267
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:14,640
Speaker 1: close to that as possible. And when bad things happen,

2268
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:16,960
Speaker 1: that's we gets us a little bit closer to that.

2269
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:20,880
Speaker 1: We're able to um celebrate little things a little bit more.

2270
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,040
Speaker 1: And and tomorrow morning, you're going turkey hunting. Tomorrow morning,

2271
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm going turkey hunting. Um. If we were able to

2272
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:34,840
Speaker 1: face these tomorrow as it's our last, if somebody said

2273
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: you said, hey, hey, Ben, you know, God forbid this

2274
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 1: is you know, obviously knock on what. Hopefully this none

2275
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:44,440
Speaker 1: of this happens to any of us. But you know,

2276
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,440
Speaker 1: let's just say, if let's just say somebody was able

2277
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 1: to come to you Ben and say, hey, yeah, tomorrow afternoon,

2278
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 1: when you're on your way home from turkey hunt, you're

2279
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 1: gonna fall asleep with the wheel across the center line,

2280
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be the end of your life. But

2281
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 1: you still have to go about your time. You still

2282
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,240
Speaker 1: have to take from this moment forward, all the way

2283
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:03,840
Speaker 1: through the turkey hunt, all the way up to you

2284
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 1: know you're going to lose your life, Well, you would

2285
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 1: harness each and every second of that turkey hunt. You know,

2286
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,840
Speaker 1: you can't live that way. That's it's impossible to have

2287
02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: that level of presence for that length of time. But

2288
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,839
Speaker 1: you can keep reminding yourself much like you take active

2289
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 1: deep breaths. Right that the people that truly know about

2290
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: how we should move our bodies and how we should

2291
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,560
Speaker 1: train for fitness, and how we should train our minds

2292
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 1: and books we should read, the people that really know

2293
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:36,920
Speaker 1: how to get the most from their bodies, say stop

2294
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 1: mindless breathing. Stop just breathing, shallow breathing to get you

2295
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,640
Speaker 1: through your day. Stop multiple times throughout the day and

2296
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:48,360
Speaker 1: take multiple deep breaths as deep as you can pull in,

2297
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 1: as deep as you can push out. Take some mindful breaths.

2298
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 1: Fill your lungs, if invigorate your red blood cells, your

2299
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 1: hemoglobin with oxygen, get your cells flown, get your body flowing.

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02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that. Like if you can do

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02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:08,760
Speaker 1: that a few times a day and really um shock

2302
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 1: your body, really fire your body up, that's an amazing thing.

2303
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 1: So it's just the same thing. I'm not gonna hunt

2304
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:17,160
Speaker 1: turkeys tomorrow like it's my last turkey hunt. I'm gonna

2305
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:19,840
Speaker 1: try damn hard to think about it multiple times throughout

2306
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:21,400
Speaker 1: the morning and the afternoon. Now that I know that

2307
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:24,080
Speaker 1: you're going turkey hunting, I'll bet you a million dollars

2308
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning, when I'm sitting there at five am and

2309
02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:28,640
Speaker 1: the pitch black, I'm gonna be thinking about I wonder

2310
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 1: if Ben's out. I wanna you know you're you're you're

2311
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 1: an hour off of the mountain time. But I'm gonna say,

2312
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, when it's when it's six am my time

2313
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just getting ready to to look at birds,

2314
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:40,200
Speaker 1: or maybe even I'm already done, You're gonna be just

2315
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:42,640
Speaker 1: beginning your morning of of being out there. And so

2316
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna think about this now. I promise you.

2317
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 1: It's not that you and I are best friends. Were not,

2318
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 1: But i will think about you tomorrow morning cause I'll

2319
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 1: wonder what you're seeing. I wonder what the temperature is

2320
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna be by you. This is just how my mind works,

2321
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:57,440
Speaker 1: and and um, and I'll be hoping for you to

2322
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:00,040
Speaker 1: have success. I really will. Like this is you know,

2323
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 1: I think about these things. But that's to me, that's

2324
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 1: the trick is trying to figure out, um, how you

2325
02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:12,680
Speaker 1: go through your day two live it as though it

2326
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 1: is your last it's impossible, like I said, but when

2327
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 1: when bad things happen, it gives us an opportunity to

2328
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 1: see the good and it gives us an opportunity to

2329
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 1: to better ourselves. Yeah yeah, man, that's it's so beautifully

2330
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 1: put in. Like you know, we're not anywhere close with

2331
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 1: each other right now, many states away, but I like

2332
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: I could feel the energy that you put into this, man,

2333
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 1: Like I could feel like I know everybody listening I

2334
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:38,280
Speaker 1: will feel the same way. It's like it's there's certain

2335
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 1: people that are inspiration for their ideas, but man, like

2336
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:43,760
Speaker 1: you're that. But also the energy that like the way

2337
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 1: you speak about this and the cadence is your voice

2338
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:47,879
Speaker 1: even trying to describe what it is to be outside,

2339
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 1: like it's inescapable to me that you have this like

2340
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:58,680
Speaker 1: immense complete love for this stuff, um, and it comes through.

2341
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:01,280
Speaker 1: So I'm glad. I'm glad we can have this conversation

2342
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 1: so people can see, um, whether they get just a

2343
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 1: little you know, your films are have been been renowned

2344
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 1: in our industry and and but they're just like little

2345
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:12,800
Speaker 1: snippets of who you are. And so with social media,

2346
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 1: it's little snippets of who you are. But I think, um,

2347
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:19,320
Speaker 1: a lot of like what I appreciate about you came

2348
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:23,120
Speaker 1: out just now, Like the the amount of just incessant

2349
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:26,400
Speaker 1: energy you put into this stuff is unreal and it's

2350
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:30,480
Speaker 1: frankly inspiring. So thank you. I appreciate that. Ben appreciate

2351
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 1: that very much. Yeah, well, thanks for thanks for coming

2352
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,400
Speaker 1: and spending an hour with us. I will, um, we

2353
02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:38,440
Speaker 1: should be texting tomorrow in the morning because I'll be

2354
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,640
Speaker 1: thinking about you now too, and and all the crazy

2355
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,400
Speaker 1: success and failure. I've got my butt kicked a couple

2356
02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 1: of days already, Bye bye Turkey, so I have all

2357
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:51,120
Speaker 1: that pent up energy I have. I've been hunting in

2358
02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:55,040
Speaker 1: the snow and uh it's it's less than inspiring to

2359
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 1: walk out a half mile over crunchy snow and it

2360
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:00,760
Speaker 1: just yeah, it drives you. It drives you a little

2361
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 1: bit nuts to think that you're learning everything in in earshot.

2362
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:07,440
Speaker 1: So um, but absolutely, man. Yeah, let's uh, let's stay

2363
02:09:07,480 --> 02:09:09,520
Speaker 1: in contact tomorrow morning and see and see what we

2364
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,160
Speaker 1: can figure out, all right, brother, Well, it's great to

2365
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:15,360
Speaker 1: spend time with you. Man. Um. I hope you guys

2366
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 1: are continuously happy, healthy over there, and and I can't

2367
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:19,560
Speaker 1: wait to see that big time. You kill in the

2368
02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:22,320
Speaker 1: morning anytime, then, I really appreciate it. I really really do.

2369
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know all your guests say that, but

2370
02:09:24,120 --> 02:09:28,920
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you guys having the ideas to

2371
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 1: have me on and to give me an opportunity to talk.

2372
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:32,920
Speaker 1: It's really special to me. It's not it's not ever

2373
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 1: lost on on on the elements that you guys do,

2374
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 1: all the different podcasts you guys do. I know you're

2375
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:40,720
Speaker 1: very busy, and I just appreciate that occasionally my name

2376
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 1: pops up. It's awesome. Man. I wish we had above

2377
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:46,720
Speaker 1: three more hours to go. But Phil, our engine our

2378
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:49,600
Speaker 1: engineers telling me we're running out of our Squadcast minutes.

2379
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:52,080
Speaker 1: It's like he just texted Me's like, oh, we have

2380
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:55,800
Speaker 1: so many minutes on our programs. Squadcast, not a sponsor.

2381
02:09:56,240 --> 02:10:00,640
Speaker 1: We need more minutes. We need minutes, all right, dude.

2382
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks Ben. So that's it. That's

2383
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:19,840
Speaker 1: all another episode in the books. Thank you Phil for

2384
02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 1: surprising us and delighting us with your crapping in the

2385
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 1: wood story. Buddy, I really appreciate that. Of course. Anytime. Well,

2386
02:10:26,440 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna crap in the Woods anytime,

2387
02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 1: but I'll try to surprise you anytime I need I

2388
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,600
Speaker 1: needed it. I needed it, I needed it. Um. A

2389
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:37,360
Speaker 1: great conversation with Donnie Vincent. Another thing that was was

2390
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 1: energizing for me. As I said at the end of

2391
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,080
Speaker 1: the interview there, like Donnie has a lot of things,

2392
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:45,280
Speaker 1: but one the one thing that I found over or

2393
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,440
Speaker 1: chatting with him and spending a little time with him

2394
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 1: and kind of having similar prassions to him, It's like

2395
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:53,400
Speaker 1: he's gen He has energy, like you can feel it.

2396
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 1: It comes off the guy. Um, you know, and he

2397
02:10:56,280 --> 02:11:01,920
Speaker 1: hasn't a great mind for conservation and great mind for wildlife. Um.

2398
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 1: And I'm so I'm glad that he's willing to come

2399
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:05,240
Speaker 1: on and chat with us. So thank you Donnie for

2400
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:08,480
Speaker 1: for doing that. Thank you to Mark Kenyon of Wired

2401
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 1: to Hunt back forty make sure to check Mark out

2402
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,280
Speaker 1: at wired to Hunt and over there just Wired Hunt podcasts.

2403
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:17,400
Speaker 1: You're not listening to that you ought to be And um,

2404
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 1: Phil you know, as as is uh kind of the

2405
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 1: way we do things here, we're changing it up a

2406
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:26,360
Speaker 1: little bit. Um, We're gonna take out you know. There's

2407
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 1: like a moment before the music comes on where I

2408
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,560
Speaker 1: where you and I kind of explain what's about to happen.

2409
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 1: I felt that was a little bit redundant in all honesty,

2410
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:39,120
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna remove it. But we got these

2411
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:42,240
Speaker 1: new ads that are playing before the show, and so

2412
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:43,880
Speaker 1: I just want you guys to know what you're listening to.

2413
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:46,640
Speaker 1: And that's just just that you're gonna hear a couple

2414
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 1: of ads what we call pre roll See that's an

2415
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:52,040
Speaker 1: industry term. Phil just rolling in there for the listener,

2416
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 1: what we call pre roll ad. You're really revealing the secrets.

2417
02:11:56,240 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 1: Podcasting is complicated. UM. And then it's gonna get ready

2418
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,120
Speaker 1: into the music. And one thing we have to say,

2419
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:05,400
Speaker 1: Old number seven is the music that we've had for

2420
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:08,760
Speaker 1: going on a year now. We took out the words.

2421
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we took out of the

2422
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 1: words because I I on a whim, I said let's

2423
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 1: take out the words. UM. On a similar whim, I'm

2424
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna tell Phil now to put them back in. So

2425
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:24,080
Speaker 1: put them back in, Phil, we want the words back. UM.

2426
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:26,000
Speaker 1: So you're getting those of you who wrote in and

2427
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:28,400
Speaker 1: asked where the words win or why the song changed,

2428
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,320
Speaker 1: you're getting them back because I just I this is

2429
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:34,000
Speaker 1: how I work. I make decisions on whims and and

2430
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:38,120
Speaker 1: everybody has to deal with it, right Philip, Yeah, that's

2431
02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:39,480
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean it's a lot. It's a lot

2432
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 1: of fun dealing with your whims, is it? Uh huh.

2433
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm detecting a bit of sarcasm everybody. Well, thanks for

2434
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:52,960
Speaker 1: sitting through poop stories again, Dysectomy stories, Ticks and Weird Places,

2435
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,800
Speaker 1: and the insights of Donny Vincent. Another good episode next week.

2436
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:00,200
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffiths. Jesse Griffiths is down in Austin Tech this

2437
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 1: He's a restaurant tour um. He sources all the food

2438
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:09,600
Speaker 1: from his restaurant and eatery died do A, from local merchants,

2439
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:13,720
Speaker 1: from local farmers, from local sources. So he has a

2440
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,960
Speaker 1: unique perspective on the COVID crisis, on running a restaurant

2441
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:18,600
Speaker 1: in this time, and what it means to get your

2442
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:22,800
Speaker 1: food from your community, from your region rather than elsewhere.

2443
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:24,440
Speaker 1: So I looking forward to that. He will also talk

2444
02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 1: about Turkey recipes and we talk about we have a

2445
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 1: you'll like this field, We have a great p debate.

2446
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:34,840
Speaker 1: His culinary expert, Jesse Griffith loves a nice p Oh good.

2447
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad, and I believe they are the devil's balls.

2448
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:40,720
Speaker 1: There's the reason. He's the culinary expert, that's right. And

2449
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:44,200
Speaker 1: he challenges me to come down to Austin and we're

2450
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 1: gonna have a pe tasting where he's gonna try to

2451
02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 1: get me to turn turn my opinion. I just told

2452
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:51,840
Speaker 1: him peas, just like white claws, are part of the

2453
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,920
Speaker 1: brand here. Anti peas pro white clauses is where we

2454
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:58,400
Speaker 1: settled on this podcast. So even if you secretly liked pas,

2455
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 1: you would never admit it. It would not be it

2456
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:02,920
Speaker 1: would not be a green Eggs and Hams situation where

2457
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:07,640
Speaker 1: you tried them and you loved them. Right. Yeah. I

2458
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,800
Speaker 1: try to be honest with everyone, so maybe if I

2459
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 1: love them, I might tell you. But it's it's doubtful.

2460
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:18,720
Speaker 1: It's doubtful. Ah, sorry, International Lagoon Association or whatever. That's

2461
02:14:18,760 --> 02:14:21,200
Speaker 1: what's That's what's going on in my brain right now.

2462
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,080
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to next week. Um, we're still

2463
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: rolling on in the quarantine. That's all I got, is

2464
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,520
Speaker 1: that's all you got, Phil, Yep, that's it. That's it,

2465
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:33,680
Speaker 1: all right, see you, Because I can't go a week

2466
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:35,200
Speaker 1: without doing right