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Speaker 2: go ahead and begin, I think with the state of
Speaker 2: the race as things are right now. Obviously things are
Speaker 2: very fast moving, but what we wanted to start with
Speaker 2: is what we're all here for, which is the DNC.
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen, the DNC lineup, who's speaking and what to expect,
Speaker 2: So the general view of where they want things, Ryan
Speaker 2: is Monday. Today is quote for the people. So the
Speaker 2: people who are going to be up on the screen today,
Speaker 2: We've got Biden and doctor Jill will be Doctor Jill
Speaker 2: will be speaking along with the former Secretary of State
Speaker 2: Hillary and they welcome from Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 3: I believe we have a couple of Union folks also.
Speaker 2: AOC will be speaking tonight as well. My joke is
Speaker 2: that all the least popular people in the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: you are speaking.
Speaker 3: Tonight, your entire political careers speaking Thursday. Yeah, that's right, Monday, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, not Monday.
Speaker 3: So Monday, Monday is a place to start.
Speaker 2: Biden gets to speak, Doc Doc Jill, if true villain
Speaker 2: gets to speak as well. Yeah, those two will be
Speaker 2: speaking tonight.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The key is that they obviously just want everyone to
Speaker 2: have amnesia and forget about Monday by tomorrow. So as
Speaker 2: we can see in front of us, we've got Obama,
Speaker 2: who will be speaking or President of former President Obama tomorrow,
Speaker 2: then the second Gentleman, Doug m Off JB. Pritzker. Then Wednesday,
Speaker 2: that's when you've got Tim Walls. Then you've got Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi, Buddhaj edge Thursday. That's when Harris will actually speak.
Speaker 2: So I believe it's literally in order of like ascending popular.
Speaker 2: It's frankly kind of smart. You want you want people
Speaker 2: to you want people to be thankful for Biden. That's
Speaker 2: what they're going to try and do. But they are
Speaker 2: going to try and forget about him as soon as possible.
Speaker 5: So he's literally going to Santa Barbara after Yes he
Speaker 5: might be going him on a star or whatever, but
Speaker 5: he's going to a vacation.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, they're Santa Barbara right after that.
Speaker 2: They're truly putting him out the past or that.
Speaker 3: If any of.
Speaker 2: The poles or anything, just give us your reaction. The
Speaker 2: general setup of everything Union. Many Union guys are going
Speaker 2: to be speaking tonight. Sean Fane will be speaking tonight,
Speaker 2: I believe, with a few others. Interestingly enough, Sean O'Brien
Speaker 2: from the Teamsters. I'm not invited to speak here at
Speaker 2: the DNC. I think a little bit of ruffel feathers
Speaker 2: efter he spoke at the RNC. But Ryan, our resident
Speaker 2: Democratic expert, what do you think if.
Speaker 3: You're Biden, you can't stick around like it's Also he
Speaker 3: wasn't planning on sticking around to begin with. The president
Speaker 3: is in and out like they treat it like, you know,
Speaker 3: and this has been for centuries that the nominees would
Speaker 3: wouldn't It was like ghosh for them to actually come
Speaker 3: and be seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was in the old days. Ye yeah, Sometimes
Speaker 2: it wouldn't even come. They'd be like, oh, I accept
Speaker 2: the nomination, they would say from the white right.
Speaker 3: And so the thing that that evolved into is the
Speaker 3: nominee kind of showing up at the end or just
Speaker 3: peaking their head out and saying, all of my people
Speaker 3: are doing the things that I want to, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go back behind the scenes. But yeah, if you're Biden,
Speaker 3: the humiliation is so steep that you've just got to
Speaker 3: do your bit Monday and just and just roll on out.
Speaker 3: What what is so clear about the response to Biden's
Speaker 3: departure is that he never had any base and that
Speaker 3: was we kind of knew that about him. But Obama
Speaker 3: has people who follow him, AOC has people who like her,
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders has people that like him. Elizabeth Warren has
Speaker 3: the Warren eyes. You know, she's got that. It's not
Speaker 3: obviously it wasn't enough to get any of them the nomination.
Speaker 4: She's got Mad Stoller, she yeah, Mad Solar.
Speaker 3: But she's got people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Biden does not like and he never has. He's just
Speaker 3: been the guy that you know, put his finger in
Speaker 3: the wind and and very successfully stuck himself dead center
Speaker 3: of the party, whether it was a seventies, eight seventies,
Speaker 3: can you believe the seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands or
Speaker 3: up until today. But what that also means is that
Speaker 3: when you no longer have any power, nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You truly are put out. I mean
Speaker 2: it's over. Yeah, I have here. You're exactly right. He's
Speaker 2: going straight to California and that's it, and then they're
Speaker 2: going on vacation. It's kind of truly remarkable, Emily. We do, however,
Speaker 2: before we even get to our if you want to
Speaker 2: talk about some of the DNC, we've got some polling
Speaker 2: as well. Do you want to weigh on the lineup first,
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about the polling.
Speaker 5: Well, it's similar to what the RNC did. You're just
Speaker 5: building excitement. And at the RNC, of course, Trump had
Speaker 5: just been shot literally in the head, and so there
Speaker 5: was all of this, There was this air of almost mystery,
Speaker 5: about suspense about what he would say here.
Speaker 4: There's less of that.
Speaker 5: It's more just I think our suspense now is seeing
Speaker 5: the presentation of Kamala Harris exactly how almost Obama esque
Speaker 5: it is. Because the Washington Post ran a story this
Speaker 5: morning saying it's not nineteen sixty eight, it feels more
Speaker 5: like two thousand and eight. We're starting to see artists
Speaker 5: already paint portraits of Kamala Harris that.
Speaker 3: Make same guy, same guy, same guy.
Speaker 5: There's other there have been other renditions of it as well,
Speaker 5: making like literally casting Kamala Harris in this Obama esque role.
Speaker 5: And I think as we go throughout the week, it'll
Speaker 5: be That's one of the big things I'm looking for,
Speaker 5: is how dramatically they're presenting there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the problem is that that second time is farce.
Speaker 3: Problem like Obama had months and months, almost a year
Speaker 3: actually kind of to organically build this like real energy
Speaker 3: behind his truly kind of historic campaign.
Speaker 5: He was like a two year slot, is what Tommy
Speaker 5: Veeder said today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're trying to like slap it together
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks and they go out and
Speaker 3: get what's his name the guy they did the Hope
Speaker 3: and Change poster and he just kind of redoes it
Speaker 3: and it sort of feels like top down kind of
Speaker 3: applied to people rather than people kind of pushing it
Speaker 3: up from the bottom. Maybe that's enough, though. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: vote is a vote, whether it's like for cringe or
Speaker 3: whether it's for like genuine.
Speaker 2: Let's stick with that because that's important thing. Because we've
Speaker 2: only got what seventy nine days now, I think until
Speaker 2: the election as of when we're recording. Let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and put the New York Times Siena poll. So this
Speaker 2: poll came out over the weekend and it dramatically just
Speaker 2: shows you how Kamala Harris has a significant polling advantage
Speaker 2: to where Biden was. So here from the New York
Speaker 2: Times Sienna, they pulled battleground states as well as the Sunbelt.
Speaker 2: So what do we see Arizona Kamala Harris fifty percent,
Speaker 2: trumpet forty five. That's huge, I mean Arizona with a
Speaker 2: five point spread. North Carolina they actually have Kamala leading
Speaker 2: Trump by two points. Now, Nevada is where things are interesting.
Speaker 2: Trump is there at forty eight, Harris at forty seven.
Speaker 2: Georgia Trump is at fifty, Harris is at forty six.
Speaker 2: What this tells us is that Kamala significantly changes the
Speaker 2: map for two seventy that Biden ever had. I mean,
Speaker 2: I frankly think his map was dead, you know, the
Speaker 2: day of the debate. But let's say as dead, possibly
Speaker 2: as him. But whenever he was let's say previously, whenever
Speaker 2: he had not done the debate, and we think about
Speaker 2: what his theoretical map was, he really was reliant on
Speaker 2: the so called Blue Wall, and that was like Arizona
Speaker 2: was gone, North Carolina was gone, Nevada even very likely
Speaker 2: not there. Georgia. He needed to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Where these North Carolina numbers, the Arizona numbers and others,
Speaker 2: they open up a different possibility for Kamala to get
Speaker 2: to two seventy. It also reflects, frankly, the changing nature
Speaker 2: of the country. I don't think it's an accident. Arizona
Speaker 2: and North Carolina are two of the law I think
Speaker 2: they have the most dynamic economies in the United States
Speaker 2: just in the last two years, and both have had
Speaker 2: massive in rome in in flight of population from California
Speaker 2: from other Blue states. So they've got a bluer population
Speaker 2: this time around, people who are much more likely to
Speaker 2: vote on abortion.
Speaker 3: And all of that. Yes, and I think we'll have
Speaker 3: Anderson Clayton, who's a North Carolina county chair. You guys
Speaker 3: might have followed that story. She's like twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's very young and want this like one, this like
Speaker 3: grassroots campaign where she overthrew all these old dudes and
Speaker 3: is taking a completely different approach to trying to win
Speaker 3: North Carolina. Obama won it, if I'm not mistaken, in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, right, and so because he did,
Speaker 3: Democrats have been just pining for it every time since then.
Speaker 4: Well, and they've had Democratic governor since then.
Speaker 3: I have one right now, one right now, So it's
Speaker 3: it's not out of reach. Arizona seems to be going
Speaker 3: increasingly blue, like the like in the same way that
Speaker 3: Iowa went from a swing state to like just deep red.
Speaker 3: At this point, it feels like Arizona could could potentially
Speaker 3: go that way for all the reasons you're talking about.
Speaker 3: A lot of Democrats come from both the Northeast to
Speaker 3: retire in California. Yeah, to retire and also to escape California,
Speaker 3: and they bring their voting patterns with them, and so
Speaker 3: you know, Biden was the only reason that it was
Speaker 3: even in play. You know, they have two Democratic senators.
Speaker 2: Yes, and don't forget this, they have abortion on.
Speaker 3: That a democratic governor Democrat Arizona.
Speaker 2: They had that whole what is it, eighteen sixties law
Speaker 2: and they had to change it. But there's actually still
Speaker 2: going to be a ballot referendum in Arizona, which the
Speaker 2: abortion activists fought very hard to put on. I would
Speaker 2: not underestimate that emily for turnout wise. So it's interesting
Speaker 2: because we're seeing that reflected at the DNC here. I
Speaker 2: have noticed that you're seeing party chairs obviously flying from
Speaker 2: Arizona others, but they're getting not only key slots. And
Speaker 2: I was talking with some others when I was in
Speaker 2: the airport because many of the activists and other things
Speaker 2: were there, and they were like, oh, yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of energy around Arizona, around North Carolina. So it's
Speaker 2: clear that the Kamala campaign and the DNC is doing
Speaker 2: their best while we're here in Chicago to elevate the
Speaker 2: battleground states that are newly in play as a result
Speaker 2: of Kamala coming to the ticket.
Speaker 4: That's a really good point.
Speaker 5: And the other thing in North Carolina is obviously Mark
Speaker 5: Robinson is considered to be a weak candidate. He's obviously
Speaker 5: a polarizing and controversial candidate. So what that can do
Speaker 5: for Democratic turnout in North Carolina. It's an important to
Speaker 5: note now in that New York Times Siena poll, the
Speaker 5: margin is in most states it's between plus or minus four.
Speaker 4: Basically, it's roughly plus or minus.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a tie.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's basically a dead heat, which is like
Speaker 5: incredible given where Biden was not that long ago. And
Speaker 5: to the point we started talking about this poll on
Speaker 5: there is something that I think and Ryan, I'm curious
Speaker 5: what you think. It's not just top down with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5: It's also people projecting there. And I'm going to use
Speaker 5: a controversial word, the controversial word da jure Joy, and
Speaker 5: I really mean it that people are overjoyed that they
Speaker 5: do not have to vote for Joe Biden, and so
Speaker 5: you project onto Kamala Harris that relief and so some
Speaker 5: of it I do think, you know, there's a group
Speaker 5: of people in states like North Carolina or Arizona that
Speaker 5: are genuinely like excited to rediscover Kamala Harris because they're
Speaker 5: so desperate to have a good option instead of arguably
Speaker 5: one of the worst possible options.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what I've heard from Democrats is that what
Speaker 3: their internal polling is showing is that basically what you
Speaker 3: described has brought back the Democratic coalition in the fold,
Speaker 3: Like Biden's erosion was not because people were switching over
Speaker 3: to Trump necessarily, they were dropping into kind of undecided
Speaker 3: or over to RFK. With Kamala back, they've all come back.
Speaker 3: So she's brought back that coalition. But that's not enough
Speaker 3: on its own, like they're what they're saying is that
Speaker 3: in general, the polls are still showing her up about
Speaker 3: a point or two. At this time, Biden and Hillary
Speaker 3: were both up by six to seven point. Yes, and
Speaker 3: Democrats need to be up substantially in the national vote
Speaker 3: in order to win the elect total College unless they
Speaker 3: figure out some new path which Arizona, Georgia could in
Speaker 3: North Carolina could actually present to them.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to add something on that. Harry Enton
Speaker 5: made a very good point on CNN last week where
Speaker 5: he analyzed where the polls are versus where they were
Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, and said, actually, Trump,
Speaker 5: where the polls are now? If you account for the
Speaker 5: polling errors and say that they haven't been corrected significantly,
Speaker 5: which they weren't from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. They
Speaker 5: were corrected a little bit but not significantly, then this
Speaker 5: could still the polling as it stands right now, could
Speaker 5: still be showing a Trump victory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want everyone to That's my last corollary here,
Speaker 2: which is, let's also just all remember haven't been burned
Speaker 2: multiple times twenty twenty and also twenty twenty two, where
Speaker 2: we can't put full stock in all of this. And
Speaker 2: I would also say I have Nate Silver's election forecast
Speaker 2: in front of me. Kamala fifty three point five percent
Speaker 2: per chance of winning the electoral College, Donald Trump at
Speaker 2: forty five. If we look at polymarket and the betting markets,
Speaker 2: Kamala currently has fifty one percent and Trump forty seven.
Speaker 2: But I'm actually reading Nate's book right now. I highly
Speaker 2: recommend it. Something he just tries to drum into people.
Speaker 2: Forty seven is very high. Yeah, imagine putting like if
Speaker 2: you had a forty seven percent chance of losing everything.
Speaker 2: You should be pretty freight like, you should be afraid.
Speaker 3: He had Trump. He had Trump in twenty sixteen at
Speaker 3: about thirty thirty five, and that was right, which was like,
Speaker 3: that's a really big change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one in three three, one in three.
Speaker 3: Think about that exactly. You put a gun to your
Speaker 3: head and yeah, you have a one bullet chance of
Speaker 3: like to think about two bullets in a six shooter.
Speaker 2: But that's part of what I want. I want everyone
Speaker 2: to internalize how the things are still very very much
Speaker 2: in a toss up right now. The key that the
Speaker 2: Democrats are going to be going for is the traditional
Speaker 2: bump that you get after the convention, and that's I mean,
Speaker 2: part of the reason we're all here is we expected
Speaker 2: some chaos. You know, we had planned this whole thing.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, there's gonna be all this chaos for
Speaker 2: the DNC. But I mean, to be honest, there has
Speaker 2: been protests and we're going to cover that a little
Speaker 2: bit later in the show. And they're pretty unified right now,
Speaker 2: so that what they're trying to do is present a
Speaker 2: full picture of we're in this, we're ready to beat Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm very I've been very interested in Kamala kind of
Speaker 2: rolling her eyes at Trump attacks. She's like, huh, classic,
Speaker 2: But we're going to beat him in November. I'm seeing,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the Democrats, and there's been
Speaker 2: some policy stuff. We're about to talk about that as well.
Speaker 2: But the overall political picture is it's clear that Trump
Speaker 2: is a little bit flat footed now ever since so
Speaker 2: the last time we all spoke, I know you guys
Speaker 2: have covered some of this. Trump is he's basically back
Speaker 2: on the campaign trail. He'll be having I think two
Speaker 2: maybe three events that are just this week, trying to
Speaker 2: do some DNC counter program He's actually literally doing a
Speaker 2: rally as we speak.
Speaker 5: There was a press conference with Rick Scott and Ron Jackson,
Speaker 5: so was quite boring.
Speaker 2: Two real genius politicians that we definitely want.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were going after Walls for his China connections.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They then they dipped into Chicago to have a little
Speaker 5: counter programming and didn't work.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I see, yeah, sir Trump is doing
Speaker 2: a press conference right now. It looks like he's I
Speaker 2: think he's in Milwaukee anyway, just trying to check in
Speaker 2: on what they're trying to do, because what they want
Speaker 2: is counterprogramming. The DNC is happening. It's going to take
Speaker 2: over the media tonight. We've got the Biden speech. Obviously,
Speaker 2: it's so much there's so much at stake, honestly, even
Speaker 2: for Biden, because if he melts again on the stage,
Speaker 2: that's going to increase not just question about whether the
Speaker 2: should drop out. It's like, dude, can you even be
Speaker 2: president right now?
Speaker 5: How are we not even talking about that's hold the
Speaker 5: top line tonight.
Speaker 2: I mean, every single time I read the news about
Speaker 2: ceasefires or Ukraine and stuff, I'm like, I can't believe
Speaker 2: this melted man is literally in charge of the country.
Speaker 2: Like it's insane. It's an insane thing. Now he will
Speaker 2: be on the stage night. I'm very curious to see
Speaker 2: how he does. I mean, can you imagine if he
Speaker 2: has a similar debate level meltdown. And one of the
Speaker 2: things we're about to get to with the policy is
Speaker 2: the tyme of kam law to Trump, I mean, sorry,
Speaker 2: Kamla to Biden. If he does a bad job tonight,
Speaker 2: that will actually be a bit of a problem. Part
Speaker 2: of the reason again, why I think they scheduled him
Speaker 2: today just to make sure that if he screws it up.
Speaker 2: They can, they can deprogram the way out of it.
Speaker 3: But I do think he'll get through his speech. I
Speaker 3: think he'll slur his words. I think he'll mess some
Speaker 3: stuff up. Yeah, but he can still read off a
Speaker 3: teleprompter to some degree, and as long as they don't
Speaker 3: put in things like pause for applause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he can do.
Speaker 5: But he's done that however many times already. Really, I mean,
Speaker 5: he lost the ticket, but he's still the president.
Speaker 3: So there could not be a lower bar for him
Speaker 3: to have to clear.
Speaker 2: Good point.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so on that point, Sager, I think we
Speaker 5: can put this next element up on the screen. This
Speaker 5: is a three.
Speaker 4: This is the cringe celebrity lineup.
Speaker 5: So this is the weakness to the extent. There is
Speaker 5: one when Democrats have all of this momentum, and they
Speaker 5: have momentum and polling, they have massive momentum with the press.
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris's favorability is going from the most unpopular vice
Speaker 5: president in modern history to somebody with pretty high favorability
Speaker 5: and great treatment in the press. They have all of
Speaker 5: this going for them, and then they put a cast
Speaker 5: of celebrities. They did something similar twenty twenty but they
Speaker 5: put this cast of celebrities in charge of like m
Speaker 5: seeing the Knights, and one of them is on a
Speaker 5: Navarro Saga's I think probably.
Speaker 2: Your favorite course, my favorite view cast, one of.
Speaker 4: Your yeah you're failed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, although there's stiff competition, but on a Navarro, Carrie Washington,
Speaker 5: Tony Goldwyn, Mandy Kaling. We don't know how front and
Speaker 5: center that they will be, but I expect this to
Speaker 5: become a pretty big part of the Republican counterprogramming. And
Speaker 5: my expectation though, is that with Democrats having all this momentum,
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris is on her honeymoon, this extends that honeymoon
Speaker 5: just a little bit longer. I don't know that it
Speaker 5: sticks around until after Labor Day. But I also just
Speaker 5: think this is going to be Democrats week. There isn't
Speaker 5: going to be a lot Republicans can do as in
Speaker 5: the last month to draw attention away from it and
Speaker 5: to draw favorability away. It's just going to it's going
Speaker 5: to be a love fest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing on this Then, as I kept hearing
Speaker 2: from the Republicans are like, no, we're going to unload
Speaker 2: on her after Labor Day, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just think we're wasting a lot of time here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of time time that was
Speaker 2: wasted in the last couple of weeks where Kama is
Speaker 2: basically allowed to coast. I mean, how many interviews is
Speaker 2: this lady to zero?
Speaker 5: Lablish her zero interviews and has totally re established her
Speaker 5: image with the American public.
Speaker 2: Re established her image with the American public. The media
Speaker 2: is literally like coronating this woman, like live on television.
Speaker 2: In terms of interviews, zero quote, hope to have one
Speaker 2: scheduled by Labor day. Still nothing scheduled. I was literally
Speaker 2: out sick for an entire week and she still is
Speaker 2: non scheduled an interview. That's crazy is August nineteenth, so
Speaker 2: she doesn't have to do an interview this entire week,
Speaker 2: right Ryan, That gives us the Labor day. She's been
Speaker 2: a candidate for almost a month. Nothing I see that
Speaker 2: she answers question in a sheets gas station for less
Speaker 2: than two minutes, you know, gives one answer. Cool, it's
Speaker 2: like fake those things doing a fake video about Dorito's
Speaker 2: I mean, this is all we're getting from this woman.
Speaker 2: It's astounding to me. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Her one non scripted moment well, she said two nonscripted moments.
Speaker 3: The second one was scripted. It was when she got
Speaker 3: protested at the one rally.
Speaker 2: Well, no, she said that they're helping Electron.
Speaker 3: They're helping Electron. But and then the second time she
Speaker 3: got protested, she was on script. She was like, I
Speaker 3: hear you, I feel you like we're going to sort
Speaker 3: this all out. Yes, but yes, like there's there's been
Speaker 3: there's been zero. I do think it's worth talking about
Speaker 3: this complete gap in understanding of the race between the
Speaker 3: right and the left. Right now, tell me if I'm
Speaker 3: tell me how prevalent this view is on the right.
Speaker 3: But from my like kind of social media feed, it
Speaker 3: seems like there's a substantial portion of conservatives who think
Speaker 3: that Tim Walls has been a complete catastrophe for Democrats
Speaker 3: they might dump him, and that Kamala Harris might actually
Speaker 3: get dumped, and she's that Democrats are not behind her
Speaker 3: and it's a complete cat.
Speaker 5: That is just some more like whatever, Well, I will
Speaker 5: just I do think there's some serious underestimate, misunderestimating going
Speaker 5: on to quote Ryan's favorite president too, going on on
Speaker 5: the right, because well, I know we're going to get
Speaker 5: into the attacks that Trump has developed on that they
Speaker 5: have developed on Kamala Harris. And I know they're scrambling
Speaker 5: right now. Like Trump did that press conference with food
Speaker 5: stuffs yea to try and talk about watch the same thing.
Speaker 2: I did not think it went well for Trump. I
Speaker 2: really didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it just they don't have anything that's
Speaker 5: sticking right now. But there is a sub section of
Speaker 5: the right that to your point, there are people that
Speaker 5: are very online that have some influence in the campaign,
Speaker 5: and I think they don't understand that there is some
Speaker 5: genuine organic support for Kamala Harris among the public in
Speaker 5: a way that when you're competing for fractions, which is
Speaker 5: what's happening in this election, it's what's happened in every
Speaker 5: last election since twenty sixteen, that is incredibly meaningful, and
Speaker 5: you have to deal with those voters. You have to
Speaker 5: persuade those voters. I think it's crazy that people flipped
Speaker 5: on Kamala Harris and went from being like this woman
Speaker 5: seems a little weird to inspiration.
Speaker 2: You love her. Yeah you're weird. Yeah, I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 5: But that there is that happening with you know, five
Speaker 5: to ten percent of the voting day, So it's significant.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about policy now. This is important and this
Speaker 2: is something we've been dying to get to on the show.
Speaker 2: Wish Crystal was here, but we should be able to
Speaker 2: at the very least, she'll be out of the show
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, one hundred percent tomorrow. We're still working that out.
Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and begin with the DNC policy platform,
Speaker 2: and it's great, big rollout. It appears that in the
Speaker 2: total shit show that we've already experienced right now at
Speaker 2: the DNC, getting our damn press credentials took several hours,
Speaker 2: much longer than it should have. Consequently, you know, leading
Speaker 2: to a lot of the problems that we have right now.
Speaker 2: But what we could see in front of us is
Speaker 2: that they forgot to actually release the term put take
Speaker 2: the term quote Biden's second term five separate times, Ryan
Speaker 2: out of the DNC platform. So, I mean, great price
Speaker 2: has circled all of them here in front of us
Speaker 2: during President Biden's second term. They even refer to like
Speaker 2: President Biden and Vice presid Kamala Harris want to continue
Speaker 2: their legacy. I think this was actually, I know, this
Speaker 2: is stupid, Like it was obviously like a mistake of
Speaker 2: an intern. I think it's a colossal mistake in that
Speaker 2: we should not be talking about Biden at all. Biden
Speaker 2: who we need to get him on a jet and
Speaker 2: go to California. We're not talking about him right now.
Speaker 3: What this shows you is the insanity of party functionality. Like,
Speaker 3: in order to approve the platform, you have to get
Speaker 3: everybody together. You've got the sub platform, the sub committee
Speaker 3: that committees. And because they were rushing this so that
Speaker 3: they could not get Biden off, they approved this long ago.
Speaker 3: Like this was approved a while ago. It was approved
Speaker 3: while Biden was still running for president. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: in order to get his name out of there, you
Speaker 3: would have had to reconvene the entire platform committee and
Speaker 3: somebody would have to make a motion to strike his
Speaker 3: name from there. And I think basically nobody wanted to
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, They're just like they're like, do I
Speaker 3: want to be the guy that.
Speaker 2: So you think this was intentional, that's even worse.
Speaker 3: It's intention it's intentional in the sense that they knew
Speaker 3: that this was the document that they had, and they
Speaker 3: were like, we can either reconvene the entire platform committee,
Speaker 3: make that a news story. Strike his name and replace,
Speaker 3: you know, control a shoal r with Harris, or we
Speaker 3: can just take our lumps on Monday when this rolls.
Speaker 4: Out, because then you have to vote on it again bureaucracy.
Speaker 3: And then once and then as soon as you are
Speaker 3: voting on it again, then you've got uncommitted delegates who
Speaker 3: are like, wait a minute, we're still We're still in here,
Speaker 3: like with this terrible Hamas and uh An Israel provisions,
Speaker 3: let's let's revisit this. And so I think they were
Speaker 3: just like, you know what' screw it does just.
Speaker 2: Roll it out, saying because that makes it not an oversight,
Speaker 2: that actually makes it up not intentional.
Speaker 3: Because because no inn could is nobody's allowed to go
Speaker 3: in and change a comma.
Speaker 2: But again, I mean this is this is reflective of
Speaker 2: a your problem that they have is that if all
Speaker 2: the polling that we look at, the more that Kamala
Speaker 2: is the change candidate and away from Biden, the better
Speaker 2: off she's doing, the more that she's tied to Joe
Speaker 2: Biden and all of his policies, than the worst off
Speaker 2: that she's doing, and that actually gets us ryan to
Speaker 2: these economic proposals, has been causing quite a stir online
Speaker 2: has been it'll be fun to talk about here. Kamala
Speaker 2: gave a economic speech what was it yesterday? On Thursday
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. Jeff Stein front of the show has
Speaker 2: a few highlights here. I'm going to read off of quote,
Speaker 2: six thousand dollars for a newborn tax credit. That's three
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for most children. Six thousand dollars fully available
Speaker 2: to the poorest families, twenty five thousand dollars down payment
Speaker 2: subsidy for first time home buyers, a two thousand dollars
Speaker 2: annual cap on out of pocket prescription drug costs, housing
Speaker 2: supply expansion credits, a ban on price gouging for food
Speaker 2: and groceries. That's probably the most controversial element. We have
Speaker 2: eliminate medical debt and EITC expansion, as well as ACA
Speaker 2: subsidy extension. So go ahead, Ryan, give us the leftist take,
Speaker 2: and then Emily and I will give us the counter.
Speaker 3: This is incredible stuff, and the virtue of it is
Speaker 3: that it does separate from Biden the sense that some
Speaker 3: of this is new, like the twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 3: down payment, going after price gouging. It makes you talk
Speaker 3: about Kamala Harris distinct from Joe Biden on a policy term,
Speaker 3: we can go through them, like the six thousand dollars
Speaker 3: newborn credit, like that's new that I have not seen
Speaker 3: that from them. That's it's a derivative. It's a derivative
Speaker 3: of the child tax credit that was extremely popular during
Speaker 3: the you know, the first year or so Bid administration,
Speaker 3: which cut child poverty in half, and then they just
Speaker 3: doubled child poverty by letting it, letting it lapse. People
Speaker 3: like that. What they I think what they learned from
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Georgia Senate elections is that offering people
Speaker 3: money is a cool way to get them to vote
Speaker 3: for you. If you remember they they did that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that still works in inflation politics? Before
Speaker 2: we get to that, I think it's that's where I
Speaker 2: think the counter might be, Yeah, get in the inflation conversation.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not saying it cons inflation. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, given that we haven't.
Speaker 3: That's the downside. But but we'll see the I think
Speaker 3: the price gouging one is is great terrain to be
Speaker 3: fighting on.
Speaker 2: Interesting because it puts.
Speaker 3: The kind of right wing national national populism on the spot,
Speaker 3: it's like forces you support. It calls the question you're
Speaker 3: okay with price gouging?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I'm gonna go ahead give us the
Speaker 2: counter because that's actually been that's the one that I've
Speaker 2: seen the most like argument online from right. So obviously
Speaker 2: it's been well, this is okay, So let's talk about
Speaker 2: what actually price gouging, what that means. So I had
Speaker 2: to do a decent amount of reading here in the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Matt Stoler, as always, actually is
Speaker 2: a very good explainer on the difference between price controls,
Speaker 2: what price gouging is, and what separate proposals are. Now,
Speaker 2: Kamalo was not specific about what a ban on price
Speaker 2: gouging actually would see.
Speaker 4: People like the Post read into it the project.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I actually think it was a
Speaker 2: huge I honestly think it was a mistake for her
Speaker 2: because she allowed price gouging. And by the way, elements
Speaker 2: to some people in the GOP like who's the center
Speaker 2: from ioways super old grass grass Yeah, people even like
Speaker 2: grassly others are calling for breaking up meat package, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, technically that is going after price gouging. And
Speaker 2: because what you're trying to do is you're trying to
Speaker 2: break up the producer monopolies and biomanopolies which have been
Speaker 2: then sold to the grocery store. There's been a lot
Speaker 2: of confusion about that too, because people are like, well,
Speaker 2: how could groceries becount grocery stores with price gouging because
Speaker 2: they only have a two to three percent margin. What
Speaker 2: I believe that they're talking about are the actual suppliers
Speaker 2: to the grocery stores themselves. It's not the grocery store.
Speaker 2: It's like the craft food whatever, whatever that company is.
Speaker 2: I forget yep that owns it anyway, So emily give
Speaker 2: us what you have seen, because I have not seen
Speaker 2: the right this animated about a counter policy issue in
Speaker 2: quite a long time. The Price Control Bank really took
Speaker 2: off from what I could see, and I think it
Speaker 2: actually is going to set up for this will be
Speaker 2: a real debate on the stage now at this point,
Speaker 2: because we saw Trump talk about this at the press
Speaker 2: conference as.
Speaker 5: Well, well, And that brings Ryan's point, That brings up
Speaker 5: Brian's really important point, which is that it actually forces
Speaker 5: the new right to confront this question of corporate power,
Speaker 5: and on the other hand, it's going to force the
Speaker 5: establishment left that is now helmed by Kamala Harris, who
Speaker 5: is suggesting, you know, anti price gouging members sort of measures,
Speaker 5: sort of vaguely, we don't know exactly what they would
Speaker 5: look like. The Washington Post jumped in with their editorial
Speaker 5: board and caught a lot of flak for going in
Speaker 5: hot not a lot of flak from everyone. There were
Speaker 5: some people who were really glad to see the Washington posting,
Speaker 5: some people in the tech community and the corporate community
Speaker 5: who celebrated the Washington Post editorial.
Speaker 4: So did the right. And this is the where the.
Speaker 5: Politics and the ideology, if we separate them from ament
Speaker 5: for a moment, the politics and the substance for a moment. Politically,
Speaker 5: it was absolutely one hundred percent a gift to the
Speaker 5: right because because they know and Ryan know this too,
Speaker 5: like you can really fear monger with socialism. You can
Speaker 5: do the same with capitalism too when you're polling. But
Speaker 5: the right feels like when they can tie socialism to
Speaker 5: democrats in the suburbs in places like Pennsylvania, in places
Speaker 5: like Michigan, that is.
Speaker 4: A huge, huge help for them.
Speaker 5: That gets some of those skeptical Trump people back over
Speaker 5: on their side. They thought that in twenty eighteen it
Speaker 5: was like their godsend.
Speaker 4: That's what they felt.
Speaker 5: Now you can, you know, make it and in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two you can make a judgment on whether it worked.
Speaker 5: But they love that. They think it's a huge boost
Speaker 5: right into their veins when they can tie people to socialism.
Speaker 5: It can be really cringe when you're doing it, like
Speaker 5: it may be really really cringe when you're doing it.
Speaker 4: At the same time, it is.
Speaker 5: Something that voters can look at and say it.
Speaker 4: It sort of is easier to.
Speaker 5: Build a narrative about someone being far left when you
Speaker 5: can talk about that.
Speaker 2: So I have some pulling in front of me that
Speaker 2: Matt Stoler had. So it says using antitrust to enforce
Speaker 2: laws against price gouging and price fixing has a net
Speaker 2: forty two percent approval rating around decreasing inflation and others.
Speaker 4: I do, but it depends on how you're talking about
Speaker 4: I no.
Speaker 2: Know, by the way, That's what I was about to say. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why I do wonder whether it was a mistake.
Speaker 2: I'm actually curious Ryan, will you think about this whole
Speaker 2: price control discourse, because there is one way, Like there's
Speaker 2: one way of talking about it, like breaking up meat
Speaker 2: pack I mean, people in the Midwest support that, agricultural support,
Speaker 2: rural people support that. Do you think that the common
Speaker 2: people made a mistake by making it seem like they
Speaker 2: were going to enforce full bone price control because she
Speaker 2: hasn't even disavowed that, you know, at this point politically,
Speaker 2: I'm actually honestly not quite sure. I'm pretty sure Crystal
Speaker 2: Wild support price control. I'm thinking I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I just feel like you're guys atistic. Well, okay, but
Speaker 2: that's what I was gonna say to me. It's a
Speaker 2: very drastic measure, and like, are we really at price
Speaker 2: control right now? You know what I mean? Like when
Speaker 2: we have the ability to break if we break up
Speaker 2: meat packing, if we look at some of the share
Speaker 2: buy back and other things that some of these companies
Speaker 2: have done. So there are multiple states, including Arkansas, like
Speaker 2: red states, that have price gouging legislation on the books,
Speaker 2: which basically, after a ten percent threshold increase of price
Speaker 2: requires the company to file a disclosure with the state
Speaker 2: as to why a price in a critical industry is
Speaker 2: going up. And then people I think there's some input
Speaker 2: process around like that. So I mean, we do have
Speaker 2: red states that are all the books that have these
Speaker 2: measures in place. When you put it that way, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this seems kind of reasonable. Like even if you have
Speaker 2: a critical industry or like food meat or an eggs,
Speaker 2: which we all have that big egg inflation recently, if
Speaker 2: the company has to do it, at least they don't
Speaker 2: have to do anything. They just have to justify and explain.
Speaker 2: Here is why.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, when you consider it, we give
Speaker 2: these companies and these food producers in particular, these people
Speaker 2: get a shitload of benefits from the US government, right
Speaker 2: the Farm Bill is packed full. By the way, eggs
Speaker 2: are not supposed to be the same price today that
Speaker 2: they weren't in the nineteen seventies. It's because they get
Speaker 2: all these subsidies. There's been a yes, economy and scale,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But these are some of the most subsidized
Speaker 2: people on the planet, also huge beneficiaries of government policy.
Speaker 2: So when people are like, oh, government should get involved
Speaker 2: in prices, I'm like, the.
Speaker 4: Only already do. That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: The problem to me is like, but we already massively
Speaker 2: subsidize these companies, so you know, it's almost like the airlines, like, well,
Speaker 2: should we really allow them to gouge us when we
Speaker 2: bail them out like fifteen times since nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean at a certain point that
Speaker 2: we can either have lase fair or not. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why some are allowed or not. In
Speaker 2: terms of the politics, I think Emily might be right.
Speaker 2: There could be a suburban backlash. This is also a
Speaker 2: decent test though, of the does policy even matter theory?
Speaker 2: Like will this resonate? Right now? It's elites who are
Speaker 2: arguing about it online, silic on value venture capitalists out
Speaker 2: price capital about price controls capitalism and all that. Does
Speaker 2: that penetrate? Like, I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 5: And I just want to say that quickly. I think
Speaker 5: it was a mistake to not be specific. I agree
Speaker 5: at it's a really vague thing that allows the right
Speaker 5: to say this is our new boogeyman of socialism, right.
Speaker 5: But if she were specific, I think that would instigate
Speaker 5: a much more interesting on the price gouging, a more
Speaker 5: interesting policy conversation.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think if you can bait the
Speaker 3: Republicans into defending corporate price gouging, then you're on no.
Speaker 2: Which they are. Some people have somebody. Some people are like, no,
Speaker 2: it's you know, we always have to let the market
Speaker 2: decide or whatever.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that they lose that argument because
Speaker 3: I think that people are in general, like when prices
Speaker 3: get too high, they want something, somebody to do something
Speaker 3: about it. And if somebody's saying, you know, it's because
Speaker 3: of concentrated corporate power and we're going to police them,
Speaker 3: and that's going to drive down prices like good I mean,
Speaker 3: and I mean again, if we're not talking about pricing tooler,
Speaker 3: we're talking about just breaking up like food monopolies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that should be happening. I mean there is a
Speaker 2: I think, what does it? Cheese its and eggoes just
Speaker 2: got bought by I forget by like thirty three billion
Speaker 2: dollars by another major food punglomerate y. And what is
Speaker 2: everybody bitch about shrinkflation? Inflation? Oh, the price of my
Speaker 2: groceries is going up. I'm like, well, yeah, why do
Speaker 2: you think do you think they're spending thirty three billion
Speaker 2: dollars or the goodness of their heart? No, it's because
Speaker 2: they want to roll it up into a larger company. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you know, increase the price and monopolize the
Speaker 2: profit and have economy of scale. The question is as
Speaker 2: a country, considering again how much subsidy that we give
Speaker 2: to all these food producers and others, especially whenever it
Speaker 2: comes to meat. I mean, these are some of the
Speaker 2: most paved industries in the entire United States. They get
Speaker 2: so many carve outs to cutouts, tax benefits and other
Speaker 2: things from the government. Then why shouldn't we be able
Speaker 2: to say no, you're not allowed to merge to each
Speaker 2: other and poke the consumer. That is different though, from
Speaker 2: a price control, right, and I think that is where
Speaker 2: the conversation has to go.
Speaker 3: The overlap comes in when you when the companies start
Speaker 3: to understand, okay, my price is a signal now to
Speaker 3: Lena Khan that I'm a monopoly, because you know, there's
Speaker 3: a couple of different ways you can raise prices, and
Speaker 3: one of the ways is by being a monopoly, yeah,
Speaker 3: not having any outside competition to jack up prices. And
Speaker 3: if a company knows, okay, if I do that, I'm
Speaker 3: going to start getting some antitrust scrutiny. Then that factors
Speaker 3: into their boardroom decisions when they're like, what should the
Speaker 3: price of this be? Right? And when the one guy
Speaker 3: arguing let's let's do a twelve percent bump, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: what do the lawyers think, Like can we actually get
Speaker 3: away with that? And probably not, let's do seven percent?
Speaker 2: Yeah, any last thoughts on prices before we should talk
Speaker 2: about this the CTC stuff? Yeah, because that actually, that's
Speaker 2: probably the interesting, most interesting part where you had jd
Speaker 2: Vance propose a five thousand dollars tile tax credit actually
Speaker 2: pissed some people on the rite off with that, and
Speaker 2: Kamala was like, wait why yeah, and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting. I mean, and then Kamala's copying
Speaker 2: the tax on tips thing. But I mean, we could
Speaker 2: view that at least as a net positive for some
Speaker 2: change between the two parties. Traumas explicitly endorsed the five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars tax credit, I believe. I think he said
Speaker 2: he would consider it or whatever. So but at the
Speaker 2: very least the running mate is said it. He endorsed it,
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars tax credit. She has embraced the tax
Speaker 2: on tips thing, so is Trump. So there is now
Speaker 2: I mean a pretty big change from let's say twenty
Speaker 2: twelve politics, where both of these would not have been
Speaker 2: proposed by I think a major party.
Speaker 5: Emily, Yeah, I mean, I think you'd have to be
Speaker 5: a partisan hack to see this as anything but an
Speaker 5: improvement in the political discourse, and hopefully it translates into
Speaker 5: policy wins for people who have populist inclinations on these issues.
Speaker 5: But to say that's not a good thing where they're
Speaker 5: trying to outdo each other on policies that are positive
Speaker 5: for working people, Like, that's great.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
Speaker 4: Ryan?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Agree, like love love that it's coming back. It got
Speaker 3: cut out of the IRA at the end when Joe
Speaker 3: Manchin was like, I'm not doing three point five, I'll
Speaker 3: do one point seven. Figure out what you're going to cut.
Speaker 3: Housing and and basically the care economy stuff are what
Speaker 3: got cut. And it plunged millions of people back into poverty,
Speaker 3: which is insane.
Speaker 2: On the housing front, by the way, I think the
Speaker 2: housing part is very smart from the Kamala people is
Speaker 2: the first major proposal. But if we zoom out a
Speaker 2: little bit, here, isn't the best attack from the GOP. Hey,
Speaker 2: why didn't you do any of this, like while you
Speaker 2: were the president or while you were in the administration.
Speaker 2: I feel like they don't even have to respond necessarily.
Speaker 2: They can just say, you have been the vice president,
Speaker 2: you have not proposed any of this. If you wanted
Speaker 2: some of this, did you push forward?
Speaker 3: And what is it they had? They had hundreds of
Speaker 3: billions of dollars in the IRA, and zero Republicans voted
Speaker 3: for it. That's fair, say, that's why fair point?
Speaker 2: What about Care Act, Cares Act? Is that was that?
Speaker 2: Which one was the first Biden the American Rescue.
Speaker 3: Plan American that was like a two trillion dollar I
Speaker 3: think there was some in there, but it was the
Speaker 3: IRA that had the comprehensive affordable care affordable housing legislation.
Speaker 2: I think, by the way, that's fair and accurate attack,
Speaker 2: you know, and retort go ahead of it.
Speaker 5: Well, all the Republicans would say it was loaded up
Speaker 5: with all kinds of like green energy, green energy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they would say economy killing like green energy, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: Inflationary policies is what they would say, just on a
Speaker 5: political level. But this is pretty I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think this is like the central attack that Republicans have
Speaker 5: on Kamala Harris is you know, not just chameleon Kamala.
Speaker 5: It's really like you were the vice president. You're telling
Speaker 5: people you're going to do X, Y and Z. And
Speaker 5: I don't know how powerful of an attack that is.
Speaker 5: When Democrats are doing everything in their power except for
Speaker 5: on the platform, as we just discussed, to distance themselves
Speaker 5: from Joe Biden to the point where he's not even
Speaker 5: presiding over the DNC.
Speaker 4: After the first night.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not really that powerful when she's saying
Speaker 5: I'm going to step in and be my own person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think on the politic, well, actually it was
Speaker 2: interesting too on the housing front. The attack I saw
Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting from JD. I want to
Speaker 2: get your response to this is he was like, so
Speaker 2: what did he say he wents Kamala? She said twenty
Speaker 2: five one thousand dollars down payment for first time home buyers.
Speaker 2: And the question that he immediately threw out is he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: Kamala wants to build more houses for illegal immigrants. Now
Speaker 2: you can say whether that's good or if.
Speaker 3: You want, they'll be doing the build them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, but what I thought was smart is I
Speaker 2: was like, wait a second, doesn't that just then force
Speaker 2: the question because she never said this is going to
Speaker 2: go to people on citizenship or not, right, but it
Speaker 2: would at least force the question of like, hey, wait,
Speaker 2: does your plan apply to more illegal immigrants? And then
Speaker 2: you put her in a position where, I mean, if
Speaker 2: she says yes, you know that would be bad, and
Speaker 2: she said no, then that would also perhaps sparkle back
Speaker 2: Loft on the left. So I immediately was like, that's
Speaker 2: kind of a genius attack because she didn't specify. So
Speaker 2: now you actually have to ask the question around that
Speaker 2: and pivot to the immigration line, which is of course
Speaker 2: the best issue right now for the GOP.
Speaker 4: Genius in that sense.
Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm also like the gyp's going to want
Speaker 5: to have a response to that, because that's that goes
Speaker 5: beyond immigration on the substance of how to get where people.
Speaker 2: I first agree with you, that is an issue that
Speaker 2: literally all of our viewers care about.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean housing is the number one issue for
Speaker 2: I think for our viewers, but.
Speaker 5: Not just rental, like this question of being able to
Speaker 5: access the American dream by owning property and land and
Speaker 5: a home and then being able to you see this
Speaker 5: show up and polling of young people all the time
Speaker 5: is like being able to get married and start a family.
Speaker 5: So many people see that contingent on owning a home,
Speaker 5: and that's like, there's so many different things downstream of
Speaker 5: the housing question that people on the right, our friends
Speaker 5: have been talking about for a really long time.
Speaker 4: How do we get more people to own homes? A
Speaker 4: lot of people say, you just got to build, build.
Speaker 5: Build, So it's the answer has to there has to
Speaker 5: be a substantive answer as opposed to a rebuttal. The rebuttal,
Speaker 5: I think you're right, there's a really smart way to
Speaker 5: go about it. But you can't just distract. You have
Speaker 5: to also offer a solution.
Speaker 2: Right now, The only retort I've had is well, if
Speaker 2: you deport all the illegals, then the price, the amount
Speaker 2: of housing supply will go up.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, you know, right, except but
Speaker 4: then I mean, can a build it?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: What American could build it?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Really? They don't take any money, they don't like money.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're proposing to you're proposing to a housing subsidy.
Speaker 2: Why why can't I go to them? I don't see
Speaker 2: the issue.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Democrats have sold out on this issue.
Speaker 3: There's no chance that they're giving this subsidy to undocumented him. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's just not happening.
Speaker 2: You can rep the undocumented here on the show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not absolutely not happened because you need the documents
Speaker 3: to file your taxes to get the subsidies. So it's
Speaker 3: not happening. But also, yes, like more housing is good.
Speaker 2: No, I agree. I actually thought it was the everyone
Speaker 2: was focusing on the pricing thing. Everyone's also focusing on
Speaker 2: the CTC. The housing one is the one that popped
Speaker 2: me your because I know from when we do segments
Speaker 2: here on the show, it's the number one issue that
Speaker 2: we cover, which is totally uncovered by mainstream. Always does
Speaker 2: incredibly well because people are like, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: it's bullshit. Me and my husband, we just got married.
Speaker 2: We had enough for a down payment. Now the interest
Speaker 2: rates are up and the prices are still high. We
Speaker 2: can't afford it, you know, and the mortgage payment is
Speaker 2: like triple or whatever what we had a budgeted in
Speaker 2: our take home pay. It's impossible. The more you start
Speaker 2: to look at that, I'm like, you know that to me,
Speaker 2: if they could get some money behind an ad campaign
Speaker 2: or anything like that even just talk I think about
Speaker 2: the issue very very intelligent, and to me, I think
Speaker 2: was actually it might be one of the more popular
Speaker 2: elements of what she proposed, and I had not. The
Speaker 2: only GOP response I'd seen was on immigration.
Speaker 5: And you know, we're going to talk about the protests
Speaker 5: in just a bit. But when you're struggling, potentially you
Speaker 5: have this potential challenge in front of you with young voters.
Speaker 5: These are people that are our age, right, it's squarely
Speaker 5: in our demographic. This is their number one issue. Basically,
Speaker 5: it's student loan debt, and it's housing. And when you
Speaker 5: can come with a twenty five thousand dollars credit for
Speaker 5: first time home buyers, I think it's really brilliant. And
Speaker 5: it's forcing Republicans to explain what they're going to do,
Speaker 5: which is likely. I mean, it's like healthcare, right, It's
Speaker 5: like saying I'm for Medicare for all and then having
Speaker 5: Republicans be like, well, I'm for this patch of deregulation.
Speaker 4: You can't explain it in a way.
Speaker 5: That is politically viable or politically superior to the average voter,
Speaker 5: because it just it's a it's a pretty big solution
Speaker 5: for a lot of people's problems.
Speaker 3: What you hear as a counter is that, oh, well,
Speaker 3: this is useless because it will just raise the price
Speaker 3: of housing by twenty five thousand dollars. But you have
Speaker 3: to remember that not every buyer is a first time
Speaker 3: home buyer. Yes, so it economically speaking, the math should
Speaker 3: work out that it actually does. For houses that are
Speaker 3: in the first time home buyer range, it should increase
Speaker 3: the price by something, but not twenty five so some
Speaker 3: of it will some of the substy will be eaten
Speaker 3: up by price increase.
Speaker 2: Sefty is also work in different ways. If it's not
Speaker 2: a tax lot like it could they could apply it
Speaker 2: to moreage interest or there's a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: to implement well.
Speaker 4: And what does that do to supply? And it's just hard.
Speaker 2: They say, the increases supply what they had a home
Speaker 2: builder credit that was in there as well, So they're saying, look,
Speaker 2: I mean we'll see again. I think any of this
Speaker 2: stuff will will actually happened, probably not quickly.
Speaker 3: On Obamacare they're talking about so during the beginning of
Speaker 3: the pandemic, you had that, you know, basically the ACA
Speaker 3: was completely subsidized. It took what was a really crappy
Speaker 3: insurance program to a really great insurance program that also
Speaker 3: expired when they didn't include it in the IRA there
Speaker 3: and he's and now she's talking about bringing that subsidy back.
Speaker 3: And it's happening at the same time that Trump has
Speaker 3: been saying on the stumps, on his stump speech that
Speaker 3: he's not going to repeal the ACA that unless he's said,
Speaker 3: you know, you've sard you've seen the line he says,
Speaker 3: unless we come up with something better, and by better,
Speaker 3: I mean better for you, not for the government, so
Speaker 3: cheaper and better insurance, by which he means we're not
Speaker 3: coming up with anything better. So at minimum, you're going
Speaker 3: to get the ACA staying in place, and you may
Speaker 3: even get subsidies.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this one up on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is from Trump's Twitter account himself. It features a
Speaker 2: photos don't yeah, he's truly back.
Speaker 3: Don't threaten me with a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: Right, the red the what is it? The sickle and
Speaker 2: the hammer of communism, says Chicago. Basically, this aligns very
Speaker 2: much emily with the socialists and the communist attack that
Speaker 2: we've seen increasingly come from the GOP so I'm curious
Speaker 2: what you think of there, what do you think of
Speaker 2: the decision to go all in with this, because this
Speaker 2: actually came before price control debate, that's before that. That
Speaker 2: tweet actually went up before that. It was then followed
Speaker 2: up with and some of these press conferences and elsewhere.
Speaker 5: So I'm of two minds about this because on the
Speaker 5: one hand, obviously it depends on how you talk it. Like,
Speaker 5: you can do a lot of polling on things like
Speaker 5: Medicare for all and you can find massive public support
Speaker 5: for it. You phrase it a little differently, you can
Speaker 5: find massive, massive public support against it. So this socialism
Speaker 5: as a political football or communism as a political football,
Speaker 5: it always depends on the framing because it's not just
Speaker 5: cut and dry. You know, you call someone a socialist
Speaker 5: and it's all over. But Republicans do feel like with
Speaker 5: suburban women in particular, in past elections, recent election cycles,
Speaker 5: they've felt that it is really powerful to be able
Speaker 5: to tie Democrats to socialism. And Trump is going full communism,
Speaker 5: threatening Ryan with a good time over here. But seriously,
Speaker 5: I think there's as cringe and boomeery as that looked.
Speaker 5: I actually do think that if they frame it better
Speaker 5: throughout the next several months, and they're running those ads
Speaker 5: tying Kamala Harris to communism, socialism in suburban Philadelphia or
Speaker 5: you know, suburban Detroit, whatever, We're they're competing over fractions here.
Speaker 5: This is an election of fractions, just like sixteen and twenty,
Speaker 5: and it's an electoral college election. And so if you're
Speaker 5: playing tug of war over socialism and Republicans are doing
Speaker 5: a job that frames it.
Speaker 4: Again, we're just.
Speaker 5: Talking about politics, we're not talking about the substance. But
Speaker 5: if you're framing it in a way that successfully fearmongers,
Speaker 5: it can really work.
Speaker 4: I think those attacks work. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm curious what Ryan thinks about that, because you get
Speaker 5: people on the left to say, you know, we pull
Speaker 5: Medicare for all, it's super popular. We pull forgiving college
Speaker 5: debt super popular. And then sometimes when those policies trickle
Speaker 5: into the real world, Republicans have make successful attacks, and
Speaker 5: student loan debt is a really good example of that.
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that sticks to Democrats is
Speaker 3: we're going to raise They're going to raise your taxes.
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think anything on the
Speaker 3: other side hurts them. I don't think that anything, even
Speaker 3: even if you call it price controls, these subsidies, all that,
Speaker 3: to the extent that it can hurt them, it's only
Speaker 3: because it makes people think, oh wait, somebody's going to
Speaker 3: have to get taxed to pay for that. And Trump
Speaker 3: he cut my taxes. Democrats I think they like to
Speaker 3: raise taxes. But overall, I don't think the communism thing
Speaker 3: is going to land at all. I mean we also,
Speaker 3: like we mentioned Roe v. Wade earlier, that's still an
Speaker 3: overriding issue.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be clear, we're debating things on the merits
Speaker 2: where they stand. Let's like immigration and abortion are the
Speaker 2: two most important issues of where we're actually very divided.
Speaker 2: Economy is like number three that's within that framework is
Speaker 2: kind of where I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's number three for vota priorities. It's
Speaker 2: just that it's more of a mixed bag. So I
Speaker 2: was explaining this today actually here the dog Walk podcast
Speaker 2: presented by Barsol Sports, where people should go subscribe to,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, what do you think about this election?
Speaker 2: They're like, do you think this could become a class
Speaker 2: based election? And I was like, no, and I was like,
Speaker 2: and I wish it weren't that way, But why are
Speaker 2: we the absolute most divided? Immigration and abortion? Those are genuinely,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, like irreconcilable question. It's like somebody has
Speaker 2: to win. We're either going to have a ton of
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants who continue to come in every year or
Speaker 2: we're not. We're either going to kick them out or
Speaker 2: we're not. That is an irreconcilable question of which we
Speaker 2: have to decide. Are we gonna have a border wall
Speaker 2: or not? Abortion? Are we going to be pro choice
Speaker 2: or are we not going to be pro choice? Like
Speaker 2: are we gonna allow Alabama and all these other states
Speaker 2: to have this? Or are we gonna allow Trump to
Speaker 2: come in? And what is it? Are you for it? Whatever?
Speaker 2: That the myth press restone like is that legal or
Speaker 2: is it not legal? That is an irreconcilable political question.
Speaker 2: On the economic ones, it's a little bit less right.
Speaker 2: So now we have candidates talking about both kind of
Speaker 2: endorse the CTC, Yes, the tax rate and all of that.
Speaker 2: But a lesson I really internalized Ryan from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two is that you know, the economy can be bad,
Speaker 2: and look, it was way worse than than it is now,
Speaker 2: and people will still just be like, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I care way more about abortion and whether the tail
Speaker 2: end of that can continue through today. I actually have
Speaker 2: no idea what that is, but I still think that
Speaker 2: those two cultural issues, the reason that they'll be more
Speaker 2: determinative is they're just so much more likely to get
Speaker 2: somebody to come out to vote. Like, if you're a Republican,
Speaker 2: you hate the immigrant the border situation, you got to
Speaker 2: you gotta crawl over broken glass. If you're a Democrat,
Speaker 2: you know, and you are just pissed off, or especially
Speaker 2: if you're an Arizona, Texas somewhere like that, you better
Speaker 2: come out to vote. You be an idiot, frankly not
Speaker 2: to go out to vote, because if that's your number
Speaker 2: one issue, Like, yeah, there's a one party that's actually
Speaker 2: the one thing that they actually kind of want to do,
Speaker 2: it could do if they got into power. So it
Speaker 2: just seems so determinative.
Speaker 3: Of you people, And I think that's because people have
Speaker 3: lost faith, for the most part, in our political system
Speaker 3: to solve economic problems.
Speaker 2: That's very true.
Speaker 3: People on the margins believe it, but in general, the
Speaker 3: typical voters like eh, so therefore, what can a politician do.
Speaker 3: And a politician can, as they've shown, can ban abortion,
Speaker 3: or they can legalize abortion. They can build a wall.
Speaker 3: They cannot build a wall. Democrats are trying to completely
Speaker 3: capitulate on immigration to take to take that away from
Speaker 3: Republicans as much as they can. The other thing they
Speaker 3: can do is they can they can mess with taxes
Speaker 3: and so if that and so if you're super rich,
Speaker 3: we're pretty rich, and you don't care about or are
Speaker 3: against abortion rights, then the Republican Party is still that's
Speaker 3: still your party, right, But for the kind of upper
Speaker 3: middle class and middle class Democrats who are like I
Speaker 3: don't like paying a whole lot of taxes, but I
Speaker 3: don't like to admit that among my liberal friends, and
Speaker 3: I support abortion right, some voting for the Democrats.
Speaker 2: But the Dems also bottom off. What are the they
Speaker 2: did is they're like, well, everyone down four hundred two fifty.
Speaker 2: Now that was four hundred that's a lot of money, Okay,
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars, I mean, what is that the top?
Speaker 2: That means all the time you're losing like five percent
Speaker 2: or two I mean, that's crazy, Like ninety eight percent
Speaker 2: of the country doesn't make for it. And so the
Speaker 2: question is has that trickled down culturally to people who
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, Democrats actually aren't going to raise taxes
Speaker 2: on me, And.
Speaker 3: It may have trickled down by now, well I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's been years now. Of the four
Speaker 2: hundred thousand members ahead.
Speaker 5: That Trump post looks like a boomer email obviously like
Speaker 5: that basically what it looks like. But I don't know
Speaker 5: producer Mac if it's possible to get a one backup
Speaker 5: on the screen. They the Democrats, Republicans did this as well.
Speaker 5: It's like a typical convention thing, but put one of
Speaker 5: their nights is listed for fighting for our freedoms. That's
Speaker 5: the the Yeah Wednesday a fight for our freedom. So
Speaker 5: you have Tim Waltz speaking, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and
Speaker 5: Pete Budah Judge. So that is certainly going to be
Speaker 5: a night where there's a lot of conversation about abortion.
Speaker 5: And that's clearly I think it's very clearly a winning
Speaker 5: issue for Democrats in places there Michigan where you're fighting
Speaker 5: for especially suburban women. But that's also the same demographic
Speaker 5: that Republicans think they can win over. With this tug
Speaker 5: of war over socialism, and so communism might not even
Speaker 5: be as potent as socialism because it feels less believable
Speaker 5: with Kamala Harris for a lot of people, because Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris has come out now capitulated on immigration. She has
Speaker 5: come out and said, you know, she's going to do.
Speaker 5: What's another good example, there's immigration shit fracking. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: a great example. Another fantastic examples.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 2: The thing is with those two is again is that
Speaker 2: if you look at the word clouds we commissioned at
Speaker 2: breaking point incompetent is number one. I don't think that
Speaker 2: the socialism communism stuff. I don't think it hits. They
Speaker 2: call everybody socialist, they call everybody communist, just like liberals
Speaker 2: always call Republicans fascist. It's like, why should I believe
Speaker 2: you, you know if if Romney is just as much of
Speaker 2: a fascist as Trump, like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 3: I think you're talking of skepticism. And government plays into
Speaker 3: that too because they might think, we, you know what,
Speaker 3: maybe she is actually personally a socialist, her dad was Marxist.
Speaker 3: Anything but a bunch of liars.
Speaker 5: Well remember and that didn't it didn't work. It did
Speaker 5: not work on Obama. And so I think if someone
Speaker 5: is an outspoken democratic socialist and Alexandria Costio Cortez or
Speaker 5: in ilhan Omar, then Republicans will try to tie Democrats
Speaker 5: to this person who is openly says that they espouse
Speaker 5: democratic socialism, and that I do think Worksmala Harris Jarney.
Speaker 3: Was like neck and neck and head to heads with
Speaker 3: Trump calling himself a socialist.
Speaker 4: But it's still a fractional.
Speaker 5: You can still get those votes to turn the election
Speaker 5: just a tiny little bit in the electoral call.
Speaker 2: Art of my frustration here is incompetence is sitting there
Speaker 2: waiting a flip flop. That is all I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: You like the lady who you know, how many clips
Speaker 2: did we play on what was it our Monday show
Speaker 2: Mac where we're talking about immigration, right, and we had
Speaker 2: clips that juxtaposed her new border ad as opposed to
Speaker 2: how she used to talk. I'm like, get out of here, lady.
Speaker 2: I don't believe a single word that you say here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on the border. And actually, if we look and we
Speaker 2: think about some of those attacks that score the highest
Speaker 2: against Kamala, the borders are attack is number one, and
Speaker 2: I think it should be, because I'm like, lady, you
Speaker 2: recalled the borders are under your administration, there were eight
Speaker 2: to ten million illegal immigrants who entered this country. Do
Speaker 2: you stand by that or not? Is that something you
Speaker 2: would change? Yes or no? Now she says yes, now
Speaker 2: when she's the presidential candidate. I'm like, Okay, I don't
Speaker 2: think that makes a lot of sense here. So the
Speaker 2: incompetent and the flip flop line just seems so much
Speaker 2: more potent to me because that is something that both
Speaker 2: leftists and people on the right and even like independence
Speaker 2: that can all agree with that was incompetent? Was it
Speaker 2: big one even amongst Democrats?
Speaker 4: I think it's a more powerful one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is powerful. But her opponent is Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but nobody cares.
Speaker 3: He has been. He has been and he's been president,
Speaker 3: and competence would not be the big buzz word that
Speaker 3: you associate with that four.
Speaker 5: Year But the Trump, the Trump sort of nostalgia. What
Speaker 5: are democrats referring it to Trump nostalgia? Actually a lot
Speaker 5: of people would probably read into him foreign policy wise
Speaker 5: and economic wise, more competence because whether it's rose colored
Speaker 5: lenses or what, there are a lot of voters who
Speaker 5: felt like they were better off economically and in terms
Speaker 5: of national security under Donald Trump. I don't know how
Speaker 5: popular or how powerful that is.
Speaker 2: Well, I did see that too, I saw I would
Speaker 2: think it was a Fox News interview. I was just
Speaker 2: looking for it now where they asked JD about the
Speaker 2: plan to whatever get prices in control, and he's like,
Speaker 2: President Trump was already president. It's like, he's already you know,
Speaker 2: he got prices under control, that he'll return everything back
Speaker 2: to to that. And I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: even if it's not true or not, that's actually quite smart.
Speaker 4: It's a real thing.
Speaker 2: That's a real thing. Yeah, it's the real thing that
Speaker 2: people feel they're like when Trump was president, gas was
Speaker 2: ex groceries, Werek, Why now Biden is president and it's
Speaker 2: not I feel like he didn't do anything about that.
Speaker 2: Now Kamala who is literally his vice president, says she
Speaker 2: wants to do something four years later, Like do I
Speaker 2: really credibly think that. I'm not so sure. I mean,
Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, this is where the
Speaker 2: Trump nostalgia on foreign policy, on an economic policy, that's
Speaker 2: probably where he's the biggest beneficiary of. And I mean
Speaker 2: if I'm thinking to the Trump attacks, like the attacks
Speaker 2: that Kamala and them have used on Trump more recently,
Speaker 2: it is very much like a roll your eyes and
Speaker 2: avoid the chaos. And I think that again, to give
Speaker 2: them credit, I think that's smart instead of buying into
Speaker 2: the concern trolling of like our children are watching and.
Speaker 4: Can you believe what he said this time.
Speaker 2: It's very much like, okay, whatever, we've seen this movie before.
Speaker 2: Let's beat him at the ballot box in November and
Speaker 2: to make it like a bigger thing again. I think
Speaker 2: that is smart coming from the Democrats right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. And the weird kind of
Speaker 3: counter fits into that in that because when you're calling
Speaker 3: somebody weird, you're not condemning them, you're not even you're
Speaker 3: not passing kind of moral judgment necessarily, you're just saying
Speaker 3: kind of weird, like just not my That's that's not
Speaker 3: how I would do it. You know, Trump, you do you,
Speaker 3: jd Vance, you do you. But strikes me as a
Speaker 3: bit weird, and it doesn't come off as preachy in
Speaker 3: the way that set the such a terrible tone for
Speaker 3: the Hillary campaign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. The preachiness from the Hillary people was
Speaker 2: I think the single biggest.
Speaker 5: But I do think Democrats, though, are feeling so confident
Speaker 5: with Kamala Harris that they have slipped into that a
Speaker 5: couple of times. And it's too early to say whether
Speaker 5: it becomes a dominant tone of the campaign. But Ryan
Speaker 5: has an example right here. Ryan's new hat.
Speaker 3: Rocking my new hat from Emily's list. But I thought
Speaker 3: you embroidered that because if you can't read it says unburdened, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that he's got it on.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: There are times where I do think because of that
Speaker 5: level of confidence in the honeymoon, which I also think
Speaker 5: this will extend it. I think you'll see cracks in
Speaker 5: the honeymoon start to show up after Labor Day because
Speaker 5: the sugar high can.
Speaker 4: Only last so long. When Kamala Harris is the nominee.
Speaker 5: It's not to say she's not still a much much,
Speaker 5: much better candidate than Joe Biden, and the media is
Speaker 5: still going to bat for her hard, but it's just natural.
Speaker 5: It's the up and down of politics, and so when
Speaker 5: that happens, we will see how Democrats react. Do they
Speaker 5: react by doubling down in a twenty sixteen esque way
Speaker 5: that goes into those commercials with the children watching Donald
Speaker 5: Trump swhere who knows, which is just not effective.
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget about this. The next presidential debate, the
Speaker 2: first debate is actually going to take place on September tenth,
Speaker 2: so it's only twenty days or so away. So we're
Speaker 2: going to go through this week of the DNC. You
Speaker 2: get the sugar high, then you get about a week
Speaker 2: where they're both going to define each other, and then
Speaker 2: they're both on a stage and you know, we're now
Speaker 2: actually that's real game on, Like that's game time, And
Speaker 2: the real question is can she withstand the Trump performance?
Speaker 2: Like what does it look like with Donald Trump on
Speaker 2: the stage with Kamala? Genuinely nobody knows this because this Kamala,
Speaker 2: who are you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you believe? Are you more confident? I think
Speaker 2: she has been. Actually she's a lot more confident because
Speaker 2: she didn't actually have to win the nomination.
Speaker 4: Yees.
Speaker 2: I mean I think honestly, if I were I'd be
Speaker 2: pretty confident too. Right if somebody was like, hey, you
Speaker 2: went from like you were, you know, a number two,
Speaker 2: you're loyal, now you're number one. You don't even have
Speaker 2: to fight for it? Ye, we got you. Here's your campaign.
Speaker 2: Here's a couple hundred fasts. I mean like I want
Speaker 2: to have to do this for one hundred days. I
Speaker 2: don't have to leave my house for two years and
Speaker 2: all of this I could be president. I mean that
Speaker 2: sounds pretty cool, right, I would be flying high.
Speaker 3: And there's the salor. The Sarah Palin playbook of debate
Speaker 3: performance was you know, they said, okay, they did the math.
Speaker 3: They were like, we need twenty two minutes. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 3: of sound bites that are going to get clipped because
Speaker 3: it turns out that people don't actually like an incredible rejoinder.
Speaker 3: You know, you've got your viral moment right there. But
Speaker 3: doesn't need to be that. It can just be saying
Speaker 3: something mean about the other person in a clever way, ye,
Speaker 3: completely unprompted and not even answering the question. So all
Speaker 3: she has to do is have, like, let's say, forty
Speaker 3: five minutes if it's a long debate of canned proscatorial
Speaker 3: arguments that she's going to dish it at Trump, and
Speaker 3: then she has to deliver them. And we know that
Speaker 3: she can do that. In short form. She did that
Speaker 3: little bust thing to Joe Biden. Remember that one was
Speaker 3: that I was that little girl. Yeah, yeah, didn't actually
Speaker 3: make a whole lot of sense because it wasn't didn't
Speaker 3: fit the busting policy. Whatever, it doesn't doesn't matter. It
Speaker 3: sounded like a good quip and it landed and it
Speaker 3: worked for her in that in that moment too.
Speaker 2: And this is the biggest problem is that Biden, you know,
Speaker 2: gave a once in a century performance. We actually melted down,
Speaker 2: like immediately in the first ten minutes. But most people
Speaker 2: the reason that debates traditionally don't matter is if you
Speaker 2: were a politician of any reasonable talent surviving for forty
Speaker 2: five minutes actually less with commercial breaks, you can do it.
Speaker 2: Just platitude your way through whatever and then let the
Speaker 2: k hie.
Speaker 4: He did it in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump did that in twenty twenty. It was fine.
Speaker 2: Biden did that in twenty twenty. It was fine. I
Speaker 2: mean Hillary, like she gave what is the pundits all said,
Speaker 2: Hillary won all three Guess what? Trump still won the election. Okay,
Speaker 2: because it's not that hard. It's not that difficult actually
Speaker 2: to get through.
Speaker 4: I mean he went off to be clear.
Speaker 2: My favorite YEA moment is yeah, you'd be in jail.
Speaker 3: That's that's all.
Speaker 2: Time, top tier, you would be in jail. That's as
Speaker 2: good as it gets. But yeah, in general, I think
Speaker 2: what we can just say is the Trump campaigns having
Speaker 2: difficulty defining Kamala Harris going into this. Uh, they are
Speaker 2: trying to do counter programming. It's not really working. They're
Speaker 2: going to be all over you know, press, but everybody's here,
Speaker 2: you know, people are rightfully I think, covering Biden, covering
Speaker 2: the DNC, what's going to happen, and then how they
Speaker 2: define her in that one to two week period afterwards
Speaker 2: and then leading into the debate. That's the key stretch.
Speaker 2: So I really think, guys that the election begins this
Speaker 2: after this week. That's like the real general election. Yea,
Speaker 2: let's see where the like she's gonna get her sugar high.
Speaker 2: They've got two weeks there right before that debate, and
Speaker 2: then the debate is like, fully, that's the sprint all.
Speaker 3: The way to a life.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and start starting basically head to head or maybe
Speaker 3: with Harris behind where she needs to be like because
Speaker 3: she needs to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Trump. I mean, yeah, like we said forty
Speaker 2: seven percent chance I mean that's high. Honestly, I would
Speaker 2: take that bed for Trump, like I think that's underestimating Trump.
Speaker 2: And I still think he's got fifty. Like fifty, it's
Speaker 2: coin toss, but if you put a gun to my head,
Speaker 2: I still think you would win. We have some video
Speaker 2: from Chicago. This actually happened last night as all of
Speaker 2: us were getting in. So our producer Mac is going
Speaker 2: to go ahead and queue that up. But there was
Speaker 2: an event. I think it was a Grant Park, is
Speaker 2: that right? There's an event here here in Chicago, and
Speaker 2: the event was like a DNC type thing, and there
Speaker 2: was a stage where protesters actually were able to get
Speaker 2: up on the stage and actually grab the microphone and
Speaker 2: began shouting to the crowd. So Matt, can we queue
Speaker 2: that up please, and we'll play it for everybody. Let's
Speaker 2: take a listen you okay? Yeah, so you can see
Speaker 2: they're taking the stage there. And then our very own
Speaker 2: Emily actually here on the ground, had an interview with
Speaker 2: a protester. Matt, can we go and queue that up
Speaker 2: and I will toss to it. But Emily, before we
Speaker 2: get to that, just tell us about what it was
Speaker 2: like to walk with some of those protesters. Things are
Speaker 2: kicking off a little bit right now too. What did
Speaker 2: you see when you were there?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously we're at the d NC. You guys made
Speaker 4: me go talk.
Speaker 3: To the press like a.
Speaker 4: Leftist, and I was like, this is how I always
Speaker 4: dressed down there?
Speaker 2: Would they would love?
Speaker 4: There were there were people. Yeah, I met a couple
Speaker 4: of breakers in the wild and shout out.
Speaker 5: But you know, I talked to a handful of people
Speaker 5: who were there at the protest. It was big, but
Speaker 5: scattered so on a couple of baseball fields in Union
Speaker 5: Park here in Chicago. And one of the questions that
Speaker 5: I wanted to put to protesters is are you with
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris or are you uncommitted? And talk to one
Speaker 5: woman who said she was voting for Kamala but she
Speaker 5: was kind of nervous to say that to be honest,
Speaker 5: and was like intentionally on the outskirts of the protests. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 5: And I did though this was a big takeaway from me.
Speaker 5: I talked to a few people who said they would
Speaker 5: genuinely support voting for Kamala Harris if a ceasefire negotiation
Speaker 5: is reached. If there's a ceasefire agreement, that is reached
Speaker 5: by the Biden Harris administration that that would legitimately perhaps
Speaker 5: send them out to vote for Kamala Harris. Now, to
Speaker 5: be fair, this is a crowd of people who are
Speaker 5: are pretty hard left. You know, there's some Antifa type
Speaker 5: elements in the crowd mixing in with the crowd.
Speaker 4: There's people from.
Speaker 5: The usual Democratic protest groups that go to all of
Speaker 5: these types of events. But even so, when a potential
Speaker 5: ceasefire is what brings in this fractional election where there's
Speaker 5: tug of war over all of these different fractional groups
Speaker 5: of voters in states like Michigan, there are people from
Speaker 5: outside of Chicago here, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. When that's what you're
Speaker 5: doing in this tug of war young voters in particular,
Speaker 5: that's it's possible that uh and we were just about
Speaker 5: to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Let's take let's take a listen then to this video
Speaker 2: that Emily shot with a protester.
Speaker 5: How are you gonna support Kamala Harris?
Speaker 4: You, I'm committed.
Speaker 1: She's not getting my vote unless she can permanently cease
Speaker 1: fire and GUS and stop sending UH weapons to kill
Speaker 1: innocent children and babies.
Speaker 5: So and I talked to a few people who had
Speaker 5: the exact same perspective, said, you know, I'm I will
Speaker 5: legitimately consider voting for the Biden Hairs ticket or I
Speaker 5: sound like the dumb platform, which also we should note
Speaker 5: began with the land acknowledgment.
Speaker 2: Oh did it really important?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: So but there were there were a handful of people
Speaker 5: who said, you know, even in this hard this crowd
Speaker 5: of like genuine leftists who said they would vote for
Speaker 5: the Harris ticket if there's a ceasefire agreement.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Ryan, what do you think?
Speaker 3: Right? So the question then becomes and also but think yeah,
Speaker 3: to your point this is these are the committed folks
Speaker 3: right who there will be a bigger rally tomorrow. But thousand,
Speaker 3: two thousand people out there, you think yeah, And it's
Speaker 3: building to the organizers trying to say fifteen thousands.
Speaker 2: Didn't see that, but there definitely was not fifty.
Speaker 3: But these these are the hardcore folks. So if even
Speaker 3: those folks are like, you know, I'm open to voting
Speaker 3: for that suggest that there's a real opening there. And
Speaker 3: the news out of out of Doha in these negotiations
Speaker 3: is that so that Netyah, who had been demanding two
Speaker 3: key things, IDF control of the Philadelphia Corridor, which is
Speaker 3: the area in Rafa, the border between Egypt and Gaza.
Speaker 3: And then another checkpoint, IDF control of Netserene Corridor, which
Speaker 3: would divide North Gaza from South Gaza, which is just
Speaker 3: utterly insane, like they're not agreeing to like turning it
Speaker 3: into another into that, And so he has since net Ya,
Speaker 3: who was backed away from the Netzerene Corridor in exchange
Speaker 3: for a small but somewhat regulated IDF presence in the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Corridor in that border, so it's possible that Hamas
Speaker 3: could agree to that, and since Netya who's already presented it,
Speaker 3: it's difficult for him to them back out if they say,
Speaker 3: you know what, we'll take that. We'll see. Like optimism
Speaker 3: towards the ceasefire is for suckers, like it's it's been
Speaker 3: a fool's game the entire time, But it does seem
Speaker 3: like everyone has an incentive to reach a deal at
Speaker 3: this point, especially with the Ron saying we won't retaliate.
Speaker 2: Can you can you just expand a bit though on
Speaker 2: a tweet that you put out today, he said, the
Speaker 2: whole Israel portion is a huge slap in the face,
Speaker 2: too uncommitted talk to us about them.
Speaker 5: By the way, we should just we should have a
Speaker 5: section in every show dedicated to making Ryan holding him
Speaker 5: accountable for his.
Speaker 2: Own tweets as long as you don't hold me accountable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the so the the platform was released today
Speaker 3: and you can find it on my twitter feed. I
Speaker 3: have a link to it there. Starts on pay The
Speaker 3: Israel Palestine part starts on page eighty three and it
Speaker 3: reads as if a pac wrote it. Really yeah, interesting
Speaker 3: this part that jumped out at me. Here They basically
Speaker 3: they have a one sided condemnation of conflict related sexual
Speaker 3: violence aimed only at Hamas, which is taking now this
Speaker 3: like he's done a couple of weeks ago, but still
Speaker 3: it's now being published in the context of the Kanesset
Speaker 3: having an open debate about whether the acknowledged rape of
Speaker 3: Palestinian detainees is legally okay or not right, not a
Speaker 3: question whether it happened, but whether it actually is okay
Speaker 3: and good that it was done in that context. To
Speaker 3: only call out Hamas is a huge lap in the face.
Speaker 3: But separate from that, it just goes on and says
Speaker 3: that you know, the Palestinians are the ones who don't
Speaker 3: care about a two state solution. In the context of
Speaker 3: the Israeli government explicitly, legally, officially repeatedly saying they do
Speaker 3: not support a two state solution, the DNC platform says
Speaker 3: it's the Palestinians that are the obstacle to a two
Speaker 3: state solution, and it just bashes Iran for like two pages.
Speaker 2: But then what's up with the protesters, right, because, like
Speaker 2: you just said, Dave Weigel, who we may be able
Speaker 2: to get on the show at some point this week,
Speaker 2: said that, you know, the protest organizers were like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have thirty forty thousand people. There's nothing close
Speaker 2: to I've seen it.
Speaker 5: Close to one hundred reports saying I'm expecting close to
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 2: We're all here in Chicago. None of us have seen
Speaker 2: any of that.
Speaker 3: We'll see what we'll do.
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Cops everywhere, well, there are cops literally everywhere.
Speaker 5: This is actually one of the things that I want
Speaker 5: to bring up. I think you know, when you go
Speaker 5: to these types of events, as we all have in
Speaker 5: the past, and you cover them, you can feel if
Speaker 5: there's an air of tension. Yeah, and that's definitely not
Speaker 5: what I felt today, the kids in strollers, t shirts
Speaker 5: being sold, all of that. I will say, though, to
Speaker 5: the point Ryan's making about the platform, this is going
Speaker 5: to be something that speakers, you know, have to confront
Speaker 5: or one in one way or the other. It's going
Speaker 5: to be a question that they're confronted with by delegates
Speaker 5: in the hallways. And those videos are going to go viral.
Speaker 5: It's going to be happening in all week. And I
Speaker 5: do wonder if building up to Kamala Harris's speech, the
Speaker 5: tension starts.
Speaker 4: To build as well.
Speaker 5: Point as more and more people are coming for different
Speaker 5: days of protests. And maybe Brian, you even have some
Speaker 5: knowledge of what these organizers are doing and planning for.
Speaker 5: But I get the sense it's possible that you know
Speaker 5: right now there's not a lot of tension. Tension could
Speaker 5: build as people interact with cops throughout the week. This
Speaker 5: city is blanketed with law enforcement. You guys have all
Speaker 5: probably noticed that blanketed with law enforcement.
Speaker 2: If every street corner, it's like New York in the
Speaker 2: old days, like it's literally five gods.
Speaker 5: So frustration builds tension can build, and everyone knows the
Speaker 5: main address this week is happening on Thursday, so it's
Speaker 5: possible to me that some of this accumulates throughout the week.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Brian, Yeah, and the handful of
Speaker 3: people are I know are trying to organize a floor
Speaker 3: protest with.
Speaker 2: That will be interesting. We'll be down on the floor
Speaker 2: for that. So everyone stated that. One thing, just for
Speaker 2: programming wise, we're doing these before the main events, and
Speaker 2: then every day after we will summarize previous give our
Speaker 2: reaction and also preview a little bit of what's coming.
Speaker 2: The reason we're doing it that way is so that
Speaker 2: we can actually we have our passes to be on
Speaker 2: the floor, so that we can be there, which is
Speaker 2: when it's going down.
Speaker 4: That's when stuff happened.
Speaker 2: That's when stuff is happening, like not only the speeches,
Speaker 2: but like what you just said. I mean, if we
Speaker 2: see some floor protests, uncommitted protests and all that, we'll
Speaker 2: be able to report what that was like, you know,
Speaker 2: to be there and that'll be really interesting actually.
Speaker 3: But we'll see. I think if they pull it off,
Speaker 3: I think I'd be really small and you know, the
Speaker 3: uncommitted leadership has You know a lot of operatives who
Speaker 3: are also Democrats, like they are. I'm not saying they're
Speaker 3: not deeply committed to the cause, but they're also Democrats
Speaker 3: and they don't want to see Trump elected. So they're
Speaker 3: caught between their own personal politics and also you know,
Speaker 3: the demands of a lot of them to say, don't
Speaker 3: support the Democrats at all.
Speaker 5: Is it possible we think that, I mean, this is
Speaker 5: appropriately cynical that the Biden administration is leaking reports of
Speaker 5: proximity to a cease fire this week that are way
Speaker 5: more favorable than reality in order to sort of stanch some.
Speaker 3: Of the They couldn't get Yahoo do well, actually they could.
Speaker 3: They can absolutely get to do anything they want. They
Speaker 3: just have refused up until this point. So it is
Speaker 3: also possible that the uncommitted pressure is driving the Biden
Speaker 3: Harris administration to pressure net Yahoo in a way that
Speaker 3: they've completely refused to.
Speaker 5: But but what about even in the bottle of public
Speaker 5: relations where we saw that Barack ravied scoop last week?
Speaker 5: You know what is it are they trying to frame
Speaker 5: this as being way closer? Because when I'm out there
Speaker 5: talking to these protesters, that's really on their mind is
Speaker 5: if there's a ceasefire that changes their mind about the
Speaker 5: ticket itself.
Speaker 4: Is interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like some LVJ Vietnam stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If Humphrey nineteen sixty would have done would he almost
Speaker 2: certainly would have won.
Speaker 3: If Nixon and Kiss there hasn't trees in this league
Speaker 3: gone to the.
Speaker 2: V That's true, big news.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to do. Nineteen people looked into it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I think, do we have anything.
Speaker 3: Else showed up? You know, by the way, Oh, that's right,
Speaker 3: we're supposed to put that up there.
Speaker 4: He made it, which you know, what can I just say? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so this is the picture bandon Harris, Wow, I like it.
Speaker 5: So this is really interesting to me because we could
Speaker 5: have had a be having a very different discussion about
Speaker 5: this entire convention and election at this point August twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four, if one of these third party candidates, be
Speaker 5: it Cornell West or I think RFK Junior are the
Speaker 5: two most likely to have launched a campaign into you know,
Speaker 5: above ten percent support, which what we're looking at now
Speaker 5: with RFK Junior post Biden dropping from the ticket, it's
Speaker 5: going down. I think in five thirty eight he's around like.
Speaker 4: Five point five.
Speaker 5: So it just this could have been a dramatically different
Speaker 5: convention along those sort of nineteen sixty eight lines, had
Speaker 5: someone like Cornell West really really got a campaign off
Speaker 5: the ground.
Speaker 2: This is barely Honestly, I'm disappointed for us because the
Speaker 2: whole reason that we decided, you know, budget wise, We're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can only pick one, which one do we go?
Speaker 2: Do we go to the DNC because Biden is old,
Speaker 2: he's fading. You know, we're gonna have crazy protests for
Speaker 2: me to go. Yeah, well you get yeah, you decide.
Speaker 3: On your own.
Speaker 2: My marriage also got in the way because of uh.
Speaker 2: I was literally getting married the week of the RNC,
Speaker 2: so it made it a little bit easier. But I
Speaker 2: mean a lot of the chaos, it hasn't materialized yet.
Speaker 2: And I could be totally wrong. Like you said, things
Speaker 2: could build, things could happen, but the stage is not
Speaker 2: currently set at least I think for nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Now watch tomorrow will be the craziest day ever.
Speaker 3: We're like Trump, We're like Trump, we want to refund.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to refund.
Speaker 3: I want to talk to the manager.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I was comrade, I was promised complete insanity,
Speaker 2: and I have not run into it yet, even though
Speaker 2: we've had the worst logistics of all time. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep calling them out for that because I'm
Speaker 2: still pissed.
Speaker 4: Whe's my refund.
Speaker 5: But you know the the RNC, remember they closed the
Speaker 5: credentials at like six thirty pm.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it's it's it's always.
Speaker 2: I guess it's always like baked. Okay, anybody, thank you
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