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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, the DNC lineup, who's speaking and what to expect,

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Speaker 2: So the general view of where they want things, Ryan

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Speaker 2: is Monday. Today is quote for the people. So the

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Speaker 2: We've got Biden and doctor Jill will be Doctor Jill

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Speaker 3: I believe we have a couple of Union folks also.

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Speaker 2: AOC will be speaking tonight as well. My joke is

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Speaker 2: that all the least popular people in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: Tonight, your entire political careers speaking Thursday. Yeah, that's right, Monday, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, not Monday.

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Speaker 3: So Monday, Monday is a place to start.

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Speaker 2: Biden gets to speak, Doc Doc Jill, if true villain

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Speaker 2: The key is that they obviously just want everyone to

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Speaker 5: So he's literally going to Santa Barbara after Yes he

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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, they're Santa Barbara right after that.

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Speaker 2: They're truly putting him out the past or that.

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Speaker 2: The poles or anything, just give us your reaction. The

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Speaker 2: general setup of everything Union. Many Union guys are going

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Speaker 2: I believe, with a few others. Interestingly enough, Sean O'Brien

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Speaker 2: the DNC. I think a little bit of ruffel feathers

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Speaker 2: efter he spoke at the RNC. But Ryan, our resident

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Speaker 3: You're Biden, you can't stick around like it's Also he

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Speaker 3: wasn't planning on sticking around to begin with. The president

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Speaker 3: and this has been for centuries that the nominees would

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Speaker 3: wouldn't It was like ghosh for them to actually come

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was in the old days. Ye yeah, Sometimes

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Speaker 3: And so the thing that that evolved into is the

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Speaker 3: the humiliation is so steep that you've just got to

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Speaker 3: What what is so clear about the response to Biden's

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders has people that like him. Elizabeth Warren has

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Speaker 3: obviously it wasn't enough to get any of them the nomination.

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Speaker 4: She's got Mad Stoller, she yeah, Mad Solar.

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Speaker 3: But she's got people.

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Speaker 3: Biden does not like and he never has. He's just

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Speaker 3: been the guy that you know, put his finger in

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Speaker 3: the wind and and very successfully stuck himself dead center

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Speaker 3: can you believe the seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands or

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Speaker 3: up until today. But what that also means is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You truly are put out. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's over. Yeah, I have here. You're exactly right. He's

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Speaker 2: going straight to California and that's it, and then they're

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Speaker 2: going on vacation. It's kind of truly remarkable, Emily. We do, however,

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Speaker 2: before we even get to our if you want to

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Speaker 5: Well, it's similar to what the RNC did. You're just

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Speaker 5: building excitement. And at the RNC, of course, Trump had

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Speaker 5: just been shot literally in the head, and so there

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Speaker 5: was all of this, There was this air of almost mystery,

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Speaker 4: There's less of that.

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Speaker 5: It's more just I think our suspense now is seeing

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Speaker 5: the presentation of Kamala Harris exactly how almost Obama esque

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Speaker 5: already paint portraits of Kamala Harris that.

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Speaker 3: Make same guy, same guy, same guy.

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Speaker 5: There's other there have been other renditions of it as well,

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Speaker 5: making like literally casting Kamala Harris in this Obama esque role.

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Speaker 5: And I think as we go throughout the week, it'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the problem is that that second time is farce.

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Speaker 3: Problem like Obama had months and months, almost a year

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Speaker 3: actually kind of to organically build this like real energy

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Speaker 5: He was like a two year slot, is what Tommy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're trying to like slap it together

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Speaker 3: get what's his name the guy they did the Hope

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Speaker 2: Let's stick with that because that's important thing. Because we've

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Speaker 2: only got what seventy nine days now, I think until

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Speaker 2: the election as of when we're recording. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and put the New York Times Siena poll. So this

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Speaker 2: poll came out over the weekend and it dramatically just

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Speaker 2: shows you how Kamala Harris has a significant polling advantage

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Speaker 2: to where Biden was. So here from the New York

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Speaker 2: Times Sienna, they pulled battleground states as well as the Sunbelt.

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Speaker 2: So what do we see Arizona Kamala Harris fifty percent,

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Speaker 2: trumpet forty five. That's huge, I mean Arizona with a

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Speaker 2: five point spread. North Carolina they actually have Kamala leading

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Speaker 2: Trump by two points. Now, Nevada is where things are interesting.

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Speaker 2: Trump is there at forty eight, Harris at forty seven.

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Speaker 2: Georgia Trump is at fifty, Harris is at forty six.

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Speaker 2: What this tells us is that Kamala significantly changes the

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Speaker 2: map for two seventy that Biden ever had. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I frankly think his map was dead, you know, the

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Speaker 2: day of the debate. But let's say as dead, possibly

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Speaker 2: as him. But whenever he was let's say previously, whenever

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Speaker 2: what his theoretical map was, he really was reliant on

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Speaker 2: the so called Blue Wall, and that was like Arizona

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Speaker 2: was gone, North Carolina was gone, Nevada even very likely

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Speaker 2: not there. Georgia. He needed to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Where these North Carolina numbers, the Arizona numbers and others,

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Speaker 2: they open up a different possibility for Kamala to get

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Speaker 2: to two seventy. It also reflects, frankly, the changing nature

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Speaker 2: this time around, people who are much more likely to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want everyone to That's my last corollary here,

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Speaker 2: But I'm actually reading Nate's book right now. I highly

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Speaker 3: He had Trump. He had Trump in twenty sixteen at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one in three three, one in three.

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Speaker 2: But that's part of what I want. I want everyone

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Speaker 2: I'm very I've been very interested in Kamala kind of

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Speaker 5: There was a press conference with Rick Scott and Ron Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Two real genius politicians that we definitely want.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they were going after Walls for his China connections.

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Speaker 5: How are we not even talking about that's hold the

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Speaker 3: But I do think he'll get through his speech. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he can do.

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Speaker 5: But he's done that however many times already. Really, I mean,

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Speaker 4: This is the cringe celebrity lineup.

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Speaker 2: basically allowed to coast. I mean, how many interviews is

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Speaker 2: this lady to zero?

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Speaker 5: Lablish her zero interviews and has totally re established her

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Speaker 5: image with the American public.

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Speaker 2: Re established her image with the American public. The media

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Speaker 2: is literally like coronating this woman, like live on television.

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Speaker 2: In terms of interviews, zero quote, hope to have one

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Speaker 2: scheduled by Labor day. Still nothing scheduled. I was literally

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Speaker 2: out sick for an entire week and she still is

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Speaker 2: non scheduled an interview. That's crazy is August nineteenth, so

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Speaker 2: she doesn't have to do an interview this entire week,

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Speaker 2: right Ryan, That gives us the Labor day. She's been

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Speaker 2: a candidate for almost a month. Nothing I see that

448
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Speaker 2: she answers question in a sheets gas station for less

449
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Speaker 2: than two minutes, you know, gives one answer. Cool, it's

450
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Speaker 2: like fake those things doing a fake video about Dorito's

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is all we're getting from this woman.

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Speaker 2: It's astounding to me. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Her one non scripted moment well, she said two nonscripted moments.

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Speaker 3: The second one was scripted. It was when she got

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Speaker 3: protested at the one rally.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, she said that they're helping Electron.

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Speaker 3: They're helping Electron. But and then the second time she

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Speaker 3: got protested, she was on script. She was like, I

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Speaker 3: hear you, I feel you like we're going to sort

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Speaker 3: this all out. Yes, but yes, like there's there's been

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Speaker 3: there's been zero. I do think it's worth talking about

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Speaker 3: this complete gap in understanding of the race between the

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Speaker 3: right and the left. Right now, tell me if I'm

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Speaker 3: tell me how prevalent this view is on the right.

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Speaker 3: But from my like kind of social media feed, it

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Speaker 3: seems like there's a substantial portion of conservatives who think

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Speaker 3: that Tim Walls has been a complete catastrophe for Democrats

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Speaker 3: they might dump him, and that Kamala Harris might actually

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Speaker 3: get dumped, and she's that Democrats are not behind her

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Speaker 3: and it's a complete cat.

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Speaker 5: That is just some more like whatever, Well, I will

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Speaker 5: just I do think there's some serious underestimate, misunderestimating going

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Speaker 5: on to quote Ryan's favorite president too, going on on

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Speaker 5: the right, because well, I know we're going to get

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Speaker 5: into the attacks that Trump has developed on that they

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Speaker 5: have developed on Kamala Harris. And I know they're scrambling

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Speaker 5: right now. Like Trump did that press conference with food

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Speaker 5: stuffs yea to try and talk about watch the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I did not think it went well for Trump. I

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Speaker 2: really didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it just they don't have anything that's

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Speaker 5: sticking right now. But there is a sub section of

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Speaker 5: the right that to your point, there are people that

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Speaker 5: are very online that have some influence in the campaign,

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Speaker 5: and I think they don't understand that there is some

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Speaker 5: genuine organic support for Kamala Harris among the public in

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Speaker 5: a way that when you're competing for fractions, which is

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Speaker 5: what's happening in this election, it's what's happened in every

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Speaker 5: last election since twenty sixteen, that is incredibly meaningful, and

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Speaker 5: you have to deal with those voters. You have to

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Speaker 5: persuade those voters. I think it's crazy that people flipped

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Speaker 5: on Kamala Harris and went from being like this woman

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Speaker 5: seems a little weird to inspiration.

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Speaker 2: You love her. Yeah you're weird. Yeah, I'm like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 5: But that there is that happening with you know, five

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Speaker 5: to ten percent of the voting day, So it's significant.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about policy now. This is important and this

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Speaker 2: is something we've been dying to get to on the show.

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Speaker 2: Wish Crystal was here, but we should be able to

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Speaker 2: at the very least, she'll be out of the show

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, one hundred percent tomorrow. We're still working that out.

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Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and begin with the DNC policy platform,

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Speaker 2: and it's great, big rollout. It appears that in the

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Speaker 2: total shit show that we've already experienced right now at

505
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Speaker 2: the DNC, getting our damn press credentials took several hours,

506
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Speaker 2: much longer than it should have. Consequently, you know, leading

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Speaker 2: to a lot of the problems that we have right now.

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Speaker 2: But what we could see in front of us is

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Speaker 2: that they forgot to actually release the term put take

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Speaker 2: the term quote Biden's second term five separate times, Ryan

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Speaker 2: out of the DNC platform. So, I mean, great price

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Speaker 2: has circled all of them here in front of us

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Speaker 2: during President Biden's second term. They even refer to like

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Speaker 2: President Biden and Vice presid Kamala Harris want to continue

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Speaker 2: their legacy. I think this was actually, I know, this

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Speaker 2: is stupid, Like it was obviously like a mistake of

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Speaker 2: an intern. I think it's a colossal mistake in that

518
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Speaker 2: we should not be talking about Biden at all. Biden

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Speaker 2: who we need to get him on a jet and

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Speaker 2: go to California. We're not talking about him right now.

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Speaker 3: What this shows you is the insanity of party functionality. Like,

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Speaker 3: in order to approve the platform, you have to get

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Speaker 3: everybody together. You've got the sub platform, the sub committee

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Speaker 3: that committees. And because they were rushing this so that

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Speaker 3: they could not get Biden off, they approved this long ago.

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Speaker 3: Like this was approved a while ago. It was approved

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Speaker 3: while Biden was still running for president. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 3: in order to get his name out of there, you

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Speaker 3: would have had to reconvene the entire platform committee and

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Speaker 3: somebody would have to make a motion to strike his

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Speaker 3: name from there. And I think basically nobody wanted to

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Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, They're just like they're like, do I

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Speaker 3: want to be the guy that.

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Speaker 2: So you think this was intentional, that's even worse.

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Speaker 3: It's intention it's intentional in the sense that they knew

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Speaker 3: that this was the document that they had, and they

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Speaker 3: were like, we can either reconvene the entire platform committee,

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Speaker 3: make that a news story. Strike his name and replace,

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Speaker 3: you know, control a shoal r with Harris, or we

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Speaker 3: can just take our lumps on Monday when this rolls.

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Speaker 4: Out, because then you have to vote on it again bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: And then once and then as soon as you are

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Speaker 3: voting on it again, then you've got uncommitted delegates who

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Speaker 3: are like, wait a minute, we're still We're still in here,

545
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Speaker 3: like with this terrible Hamas and uh An Israel provisions,

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Speaker 3: let's let's revisit this. And so I think they were

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Speaker 3: just like, you know what' screw it does just.

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Speaker 2: Roll it out, saying because that makes it not an oversight,

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Speaker 2: that actually makes it up not intentional.

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Speaker 3: Because because no inn could is nobody's allowed to go

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Speaker 3: in and change a comma.

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Speaker 2: But again, I mean this is this is reflective of

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Speaker 2: a your problem that they have is that if all

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Speaker 2: the polling that we look at, the more that Kamala

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Speaker 2: is the change candidate and away from Biden, the better

556
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Speaker 2: off she's doing, the more that she's tied to Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden and all of his policies, than the worst off

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Speaker 2: that she's doing, and that actually gets us ryan to

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Speaker 2: these economic proposals, has been causing quite a stir online

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Speaker 2: has been it'll be fun to talk about here. Kamala

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Speaker 2: gave a economic speech what was it yesterday? On Thursday

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Speaker 2: in North Carolina. Jeff Stein front of the show has

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Speaker 2: a few highlights here. I'm going to read off of quote,

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Speaker 2: six thousand dollars for a newborn tax credit. That's three

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for most children. Six thousand dollars fully available

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Speaker 2: to the poorest families, twenty five thousand dollars down payment

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Speaker 2: subsidy for first time home buyers, a two thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: annual cap on out of pocket prescription drug costs, housing

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Speaker 2: supply expansion credits, a ban on price gouging for food

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Speaker 2: and groceries. That's probably the most controversial element. We have

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Speaker 2: eliminate medical debt and EITC expansion, as well as ACA

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Speaker 2: subsidy extension. So go ahead, Ryan, give us the leftist take,

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Speaker 2: and then Emily and I will give us the counter.

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Speaker 3: This is incredible stuff, and the virtue of it is

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Speaker 3: that it does separate from Biden the sense that some

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Speaker 3: of this is new, like the twenty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: down payment, going after price gouging. It makes you talk

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Speaker 3: about Kamala Harris distinct from Joe Biden on a policy term,

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Speaker 3: we can go through them, like the six thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: newborn credit, like that's new that I have not seen

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Speaker 3: that from them. That's it's a derivative. It's a derivative

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Speaker 3: of the child tax credit that was extremely popular during

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Speaker 3: the you know, the first year or so Bid administration,

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Speaker 3: which cut child poverty in half, and then they just

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Speaker 3: doubled child poverty by letting it, letting it lapse. People

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Speaker 3: like that. What they I think what they learned from

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Georgia Senate elections is that offering people

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Speaker 3: money is a cool way to get them to vote

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Speaker 3: for you. If you remember they they did that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that still works in inflation politics? Before

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Speaker 2: we get to that, I think it's that's where I

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Speaker 2: think the counter might be, Yeah, get in the inflation conversation.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not saying it cons inflation. I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying, given that we haven't.

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Speaker 3: That's the downside. But but we'll see the I think

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Speaker 3: the price gouging one is is great terrain to be

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Speaker 3: fighting on.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because it puts.

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Speaker 3: The kind of right wing national national populism on the spot,

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Speaker 3: it's like forces you support. It calls the question you're

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Speaker 3: okay with price gouging?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I'm gonna go ahead give us the

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Speaker 2: counter because that's actually been that's the one that I've

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Speaker 2: seen the most like argument online from right. So obviously

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Speaker 2: it's been well, this is okay, So let's talk about

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Speaker 2: what actually price gouging, what that means. So I had

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Speaker 2: to do a decent amount of reading here in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Matt Stoler, as always, actually is

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Speaker 2: a very good explainer on the difference between price controls,

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Speaker 2: what price gouging is, and what separate proposals are. Now,

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Speaker 2: Kamalo was not specific about what a ban on price

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Speaker 2: gouging actually would see.

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Speaker 4: People like the Post read into it the project.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I actually think it was a

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Speaker 2: huge I honestly think it was a mistake for her

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Speaker 2: because she allowed price gouging. And by the way, elements

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Speaker 2: to some people in the GOP like who's the center

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Speaker 2: from ioways super old grass grass Yeah, people even like

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Speaker 2: grassly others are calling for breaking up meat package, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, technically that is going after price gouging. And

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Speaker 2: because what you're trying to do is you're trying to

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Speaker 2: break up the producer monopolies and biomanopolies which have been

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Speaker 2: then sold to the grocery store. There's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of confusion about that too, because people are like, well,

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Speaker 2: how could groceries becount grocery stores with price gouging because

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Speaker 2: they only have a two to three percent margin. What

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Speaker 2: I believe that they're talking about are the actual suppliers

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Speaker 2: to the grocery stores themselves. It's not the grocery store.

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Speaker 2: It's like the craft food whatever, whatever that company is.

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Speaker 2: I forget yep that owns it anyway, So emily give

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Speaker 2: us what you have seen, because I have not seen

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Speaker 2: the right this animated about a counter policy issue in

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Speaker 2: quite a long time. The Price Control Bank really took

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Speaker 2: off from what I could see, and I think it

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Speaker 2: actually is going to set up for this will be

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Speaker 2: a real debate on the stage now at this point,

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Speaker 2: because we saw Trump talk about this at the press

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Speaker 2: conference as.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, And that brings Ryan's point, That brings up

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Speaker 5: Brian's really important point, which is that it actually forces

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Speaker 5: the new right to confront this question of corporate power,

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Speaker 5: and on the other hand, it's going to force the

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Speaker 5: establishment left that is now helmed by Kamala Harris, who

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Speaker 5: is suggesting, you know, anti price gouging members sort of measures,

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Speaker 5: sort of vaguely, we don't know exactly what they would

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Speaker 5: look like. The Washington Post jumped in with their editorial

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Speaker 5: board and caught a lot of flak for going in

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Speaker 5: hot not a lot of flak from everyone. There were

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Speaker 5: some people who were really glad to see the Washington posting,

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Speaker 5: some people in the tech community and the corporate community

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Speaker 5: who celebrated the Washington Post editorial.

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Speaker 4: So did the right. And this is the where the.

653
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Speaker 5: Politics and the ideology, if we separate them from ament

654
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Speaker 5: for a moment, the politics and the substance for a moment. Politically,

655
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: it was absolutely one hundred percent a gift to the

656
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: right because because they know and Ryan know this too,

657
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: like you can really fear monger with socialism. You can

658
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: do the same with capitalism too when you're polling. But

659
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 5: the right feels like when they can tie socialism to

660
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Speaker 5: democrats in the suburbs in places like Pennsylvania, in places

661
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Speaker 5: like Michigan, that is.

662
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: A huge, huge help for them.

663
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Speaker 5: That gets some of those skeptical Trump people back over

664
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Speaker 5: on their side. They thought that in twenty eighteen it

665
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Speaker 5: was like their godsend.

666
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Speaker 4: That's what they felt.

667
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: Now you can, you know, make it and in twenty

668
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Speaker 5: twenty two you can make a judgment on whether it worked.

669
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Speaker 5: But they love that. They think it's a huge boost

670
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: right into their veins when they can tie people to socialism.

671
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: It can be really cringe when you're doing it, like

672
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Speaker 5: it may be really really cringe when you're doing it.

673
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Speaker 4: At the same time, it is.

674
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Speaker 5: Something that voters can look at and say it.

675
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Speaker 4: It sort of is easier to.

676
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Speaker 5: Build a narrative about someone being far left when you

677
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Speaker 5: can talk about that.

678
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Speaker 2: So I have some pulling in front of me that

679
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Speaker 2: Matt Stoler had. So it says using antitrust to enforce

680
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: laws against price gouging and price fixing has a net

681
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: forty two percent approval rating around decreasing inflation and others.

682
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Speaker 4: I do, but it depends on how you're talking about

683
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Speaker 4: I no.

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Speaker 2: Know, by the way, That's what I was about to say. Yeah,

685
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Speaker 2: that's why I do wonder whether it was a mistake.

686
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Speaker 2: I'm actually curious Ryan, will you think about this whole

687
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Speaker 2: price control discourse, because there is one way, Like there's

688
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: one way of talking about it, like breaking up meat

689
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Speaker 2: pack I mean, people in the Midwest support that, agricultural support,

690
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Speaker 2: rural people support that. Do you think that the common

691
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Speaker 2: people made a mistake by making it seem like they

692
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Speaker 2: were going to enforce full bone price control because she

693
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Speaker 2: hasn't even disavowed that, you know, at this point politically,

694
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Speaker 2: I'm actually honestly not quite sure. I'm pretty sure Crystal

695
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: Wild support price control. I'm thinking I've been thinking about it.

696
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Speaker 2: I just feel like you're guys atistic. Well, okay, but

697
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Speaker 2: that's what I was gonna say to me. It's a

698
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Speaker 2: very drastic measure, and like, are we really at price

699
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Speaker 2: control right now? You know what I mean? Like when

700
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Speaker 2: we have the ability to break if we break up

701
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Speaker 2: meat packing, if we look at some of the share

702
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Speaker 2: buy back and other things that some of these companies

703
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Speaker 2: have done. So there are multiple states, including Arkansas, like

704
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Speaker 2: red states, that have price gouging legislation on the books,

705
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Speaker 2: which basically, after a ten percent threshold increase of price

706
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Speaker 2: requires the company to file a disclosure with the state

707
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Speaker 2: as to why a price in a critical industry is

708
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Speaker 2: going up. And then people I think there's some input

709
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Speaker 2: process around like that. So I mean, we do have

710
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Speaker 2: red states that are all the books that have these

711
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Speaker 2: measures in place. When you put it that way, I'm like, yeah,

712
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: this seems kind of reasonable. Like even if you have

713
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Speaker 2: a critical industry or like food meat or an eggs,

714
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Speaker 2: which we all have that big egg inflation recently, if

715
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Speaker 2: the company has to do it, at least they don't

716
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Speaker 2: have to do anything. They just have to justify and explain.

717
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Speaker 2: Here is why.

718
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Speaker 4: I mean.

719
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Speaker 2: The other thing is, when you consider it, we give

720
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Speaker 2: these companies and these food producers in particular, these people

721
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: get a shitload of benefits from the US government, right

722
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: the Farm Bill is packed full. By the way, eggs

723
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: are not supposed to be the same price today that

724
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Speaker 2: they weren't in the nineteen seventies. It's because they get

725
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: all these subsidies. There's been a yes, economy and scale,

726
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: et cetera. But these are some of the most subsidized

727
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: people on the planet, also huge beneficiaries of government policy.

728
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: So when people are like, oh, government should get involved

729
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: in prices, I'm like, the.

730
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Speaker 4: Only already do. That's what I was going to say.

731
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Speaker 2: The problem to me is like, but we already massively

732
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Speaker 2: subsidize these companies, so you know, it's almost like the airlines, like, well,

733
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Speaker 2: should we really allow them to gouge us when we

734
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: bail them out like fifteen times since nine to eleven.

735
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean at a certain point that

736
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: we can either have lase fair or not. And you know,

737
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why some are allowed or not. In

738
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Speaker 2: terms of the politics, I think Emily might be right.

739
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: There could be a suburban backlash. This is also a

740
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Speaker 2: decent test though, of the does policy even matter theory?

741
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: Like will this resonate? Right now? It's elites who are

742
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: arguing about it online, silic on value venture capitalists out

743
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: price capital about price controls capitalism and all that. Does

744
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Speaker 2: that penetrate? Like, I honestly have no idea.

745
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Speaker 5: And I just want to say that quickly. I think

746
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: it was a mistake to not be specific. I agree

747
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: at it's a really vague thing that allows the right

748
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 5: to say this is our new boogeyman of socialism, right.

749
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: But if she were specific, I think that would instigate

750
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 5: a much more interesting on the price gouging, a more

751
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: interesting policy conversation.

752
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think if you can bait the

753
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: Republicans into defending corporate price gouging, then you're on no.

754
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: Which they are. Some people have somebody. Some people are like, no,

755
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: it's you know, we always have to let the market

756
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: decide or whatever.

757
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that they lose that argument because

758
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: I think that people are in general, like when prices

759
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: get too high, they want something, somebody to do something

760
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: about it. And if somebody's saying, you know, it's because

761
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: of concentrated corporate power and we're going to police them,

762
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Speaker 3: and that's going to drive down prices like good I mean,

763
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Speaker 3: and I mean again, if we're not talking about pricing tooler,

764
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Speaker 3: we're talking about just breaking up like food monopolies.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that should be happening. I mean there is a

766
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: I think, what does it? Cheese its and eggoes just

767
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: got bought by I forget by like thirty three billion

768
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: dollars by another major food punglomerate y. And what is

769
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: everybody bitch about shrinkflation? Inflation? Oh, the price of my

770
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: groceries is going up. I'm like, well, yeah, why do

771
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: you think do you think they're spending thirty three billion

772
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: dollars or the goodness of their heart? No, it's because

773
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: they want to roll it up into a larger company. Yeah,

774
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: and then you know, increase the price and monopolize the

775
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: profit and have economy of scale. The question is as

776
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: a country, considering again how much subsidy that we give

777
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: to all these food producers and others, especially whenever it

778
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: comes to meat. I mean, these are some of the

779
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: most paved industries in the entire United States. They get

780
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: so many carve outs to cutouts, tax benefits and other

781
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: things from the government. Then why shouldn't we be able

782
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: to say no, you're not allowed to merge to each

783
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: other and poke the consumer. That is different though, from

784
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: a price control, right, and I think that is where

785
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: the conversation has to go.

786
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: The overlap comes in when you when the companies start

787
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: to understand, okay, my price is a signal now to

788
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 3: Lena Khan that I'm a monopoly, because you know, there's

789
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: a couple of different ways you can raise prices, and

790
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: one of the ways is by being a monopoly, yeah,

791
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: not having any outside competition to jack up prices. And

792
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: if a company knows, okay, if I do that, I'm

793
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: going to start getting some antitrust scrutiny. Then that factors

794
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: into their boardroom decisions when they're like, what should the

795
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: price of this be? Right? And when the one guy

796
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: arguing let's let's do a twelve percent bump, it's like, okay,

797
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: what do the lawyers think, Like can we actually get

798
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: away with that? And probably not, let's do seven percent?

799
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Speaker 2: Yeah, any last thoughts on prices before we should talk

800
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: about this the CTC stuff? Yeah, because that actually, that's

801
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: probably the interesting, most interesting part where you had jd

802
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Vance propose a five thousand dollars tile tax credit actually

803
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: pissed some people on the rite off with that, and

804
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Kamala was like, wait why yeah, and I was like, whoa,

805
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting. I mean, and then Kamala's copying

806
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: the tax on tips thing. But I mean, we could

807
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: view that at least as a net positive for some

808
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: change between the two parties. Traumas explicitly endorsed the five

809
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: thousand dollars tax credit, I believe. I think he said

810
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: he would consider it or whatever. So but at the

811
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Speaker 2: very least the running mate is said it. He endorsed it,

812
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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars tax credit. She has embraced the tax

813
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: on tips thing, so is Trump. So there is now

814
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Speaker 2: I mean a pretty big change from let's say twenty

815
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Speaker 2: twelve politics, where both of these would not have been

816
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Speaker 2: proposed by I think a major party.

817
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Speaker 5: Emily, Yeah, I mean, I think you'd have to be

818
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: a partisan hack to see this as anything but an

819
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 5: improvement in the political discourse, and hopefully it translates into

820
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Speaker 5: policy wins for people who have populist inclinations on these issues.

821
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Speaker 5: But to say that's not a good thing where they're

822
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Speaker 5: trying to outdo each other on policies that are positive

823
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Speaker 5: for working people, Like, that's great.

824
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Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

825
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Speaker 4: Ryan?

826
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

827
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Speaker 3: Agree, like love love that it's coming back. It got

828
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Speaker 3: cut out of the IRA at the end when Joe

829
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: Manchin was like, I'm not doing three point five, I'll

830
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Speaker 3: do one point seven. Figure out what you're going to cut.

831
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Speaker 3: Housing and and basically the care economy stuff are what

832
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: got cut. And it plunged millions of people back into poverty,

833
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: which is insane.

834
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Speaker 2: On the housing front, by the way, I think the

835
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Speaker 2: housing part is very smart from the Kamala people is

836
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Speaker 2: the first major proposal. But if we zoom out a

837
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: little bit, here, isn't the best attack from the GOP. Hey,

838
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Speaker 2: why didn't you do any of this, like while you

839
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: were the president or while you were in the administration.

840
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Speaker 2: I feel like they don't even have to respond necessarily.

841
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: They can just say, you have been the vice president,

842
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: you have not proposed any of this. If you wanted

843
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: some of this, did you push forward?

844
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Speaker 3: And what is it they had? They had hundreds of

845
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars in the IRA, and zero Republicans voted

846
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Speaker 3: for it. That's fair, say, that's why fair point?

847
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Speaker 2: What about Care Act, Cares Act? Is that was that?

848
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Speaker 2: Which one was the first Biden the American Rescue.

849
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Speaker 3: Plan American that was like a two trillion dollar I

850
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: think there was some in there, but it was the

851
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Speaker 3: IRA that had the comprehensive affordable care affordable housing legislation.

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Speaker 2: I think, by the way, that's fair and accurate attack,

853
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Speaker 2: you know, and retort go ahead of it.

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Speaker 5: Well, all the Republicans would say it was loaded up

855
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Speaker 5: with all kinds of like green energy, green energy. Yeah,

856
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: they would say economy killing like green energy, blah blah blah.

857
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Speaker 5: Inflationary policies is what they would say, just on a

858
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Speaker 5: political level. But this is pretty I don't know. I

859
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: think this is like the central attack that Republicans have

860
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Speaker 5: on Kamala Harris is you know, not just chameleon Kamala.

861
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Speaker 5: It's really like you were the vice president. You're telling

862
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Speaker 5: people you're going to do X, Y and Z. And

863
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Speaker 5: I don't know how powerful of an attack that is.

864
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Speaker 5: When Democrats are doing everything in their power except for

865
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Speaker 5: on the platform, as we just discussed, to distance themselves

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Speaker 5: from Joe Biden to the point where he's not even

867
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Speaker 5: presiding over the DNC.

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Speaker 4: After the first night.

869
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not really that powerful when she's saying

870
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Speaker 5: I'm going to step in and be my own person.

871
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think on the politic, well, actually it was

872
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Speaker 2: interesting too on the housing front. The attack I saw

873
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Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting from JD. I want to

874
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Speaker 2: get your response to this is he was like, so

875
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Speaker 2: what did he say he wents Kamala? She said twenty

876
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Speaker 2: five one thousand dollars down payment for first time home buyers.

877
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Speaker 2: And the question that he immediately threw out is he's like, oh,

878
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Speaker 2: Kamala wants to build more houses for illegal immigrants. Now

879
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Speaker 2: you can say whether that's good or if.

880
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: You want, they'll be doing the build them.

881
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, but what I thought was smart is I

882
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: was like, wait a second, doesn't that just then force

883
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Speaker 2: the question because she never said this is going to

884
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Speaker 2: go to people on citizenship or not, right, but it

885
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Speaker 2: would at least force the question of like, hey, wait,

886
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: does your plan apply to more illegal immigrants? And then

887
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Speaker 2: you put her in a position where, I mean, if

888
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Speaker 2: she says yes, you know that would be bad, and

889
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: she said no, then that would also perhaps sparkle back

890
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Speaker 2: Loft on the left. So I immediately was like, that's

891
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: kind of a genius attack because she didn't specify. So

892
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: now you actually have to ask the question around that

893
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: and pivot to the immigration line, which is of course

894
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: the best issue right now for the GOP.

895
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Speaker 4: Genius in that sense.

896
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Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm also like the gyp's going to want

897
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 5: to have a response to that, because that's that goes

898
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Speaker 5: beyond immigration on the substance of how to get where people.

899
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Speaker 2: I first agree with you, that is an issue that

900
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Speaker 2: literally all of our viewers care about.

901
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Speaker 5: It.

902
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean housing is the number one issue for

903
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: I think for our viewers, but.

904
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Speaker 5: Not just rental, like this question of being able to

905
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: access the American dream by owning property and land and

906
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: a home and then being able to you see this

907
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 5: show up and polling of young people all the time

908
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 5: is like being able to get married and start a family.

909
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Speaker 5: So many people see that contingent on owning a home,

910
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 5: and that's like, there's so many different things downstream of

911
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: the housing question that people on the right, our friends

912
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Speaker 5: have been talking about for a really long time.

913
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Speaker 4: How do we get more people to own homes? A

914
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: lot of people say, you just got to build, build.

915
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Speaker 5: Build, So it's the answer has to there has to

916
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 5: be a substantive answer as opposed to a rebuttal. The rebuttal,

917
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Speaker 5: I think you're right, there's a really smart way to

918
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Speaker 5: go about it. But you can't just distract. You have

919
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Speaker 5: to also offer a solution.

920
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Speaker 2: Right now, The only retort I've had is well, if

921
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Speaker 2: you deport all the illegals, then the price, the amount

922
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Speaker 2: of housing supply will go up.

923
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Speaker 4: And I was like, well, you know, right, except but

924
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Speaker 4: then I mean, can a build it?

925
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Though?

926
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Speaker 2: What American could build it?

927
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Speaker 5: What?

928
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Really? They don't take any money, they don't like money.

929
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're proposing to you're proposing to a housing subsidy.

930
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Speaker 2: Why why can't I go to them? I don't see

931
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Speaker 2: the issue.

932
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Democrats have sold out on this issue.

933
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Speaker 3: There's no chance that they're giving this subsidy to undocumented him. Okay,

934
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Speaker 3: that's just not happening.

935
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Speaker 2: You can rep the undocumented here on the show.

936
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not absolutely not happened because you need the documents

937
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Speaker 3: to file your taxes to get the subsidies. So it's

938
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Speaker 3: not happening. But also, yes, like more housing is good.

939
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Speaker 2: No, I agree. I actually thought it was the everyone

940
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Speaker 2: was focusing on the pricing thing. Everyone's also focusing on

941
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Speaker 2: the CTC. The housing one is the one that popped

942
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Speaker 2: me your because I know from when we do segments

943
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Speaker 2: here on the show, it's the number one issue that

944
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Speaker 2: we cover, which is totally uncovered by mainstream. Always does

945
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Speaker 2: incredibly well because people are like, yeah, you know what,

946
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Speaker 2: it's bullshit. Me and my husband, we just got married.

947
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Speaker 2: We had enough for a down payment. Now the interest

948
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Speaker 2: rates are up and the prices are still high. We

949
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Speaker 2: can't afford it, you know, and the mortgage payment is

950
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Speaker 2: like triple or whatever what we had a budgeted in

951
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Speaker 2: our take home pay. It's impossible. The more you start

952
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Speaker 2: to look at that, I'm like, you know that to me,

953
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Speaker 2: if they could get some money behind an ad campaign

954
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Speaker 2: or anything like that even just talk I think about

955
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Speaker 2: the issue very very intelligent, and to me, I think

956
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Speaker 2: was actually it might be one of the more popular

957
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Speaker 2: elements of what she proposed, and I had not. The

958
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Speaker 2: only GOP response I'd seen was on immigration.

959
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Speaker 5: And you know, we're going to talk about the protests

960
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 5: in just a bit. But when you're struggling, potentially you

961
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Speaker 5: have this potential challenge in front of you with young voters.

962
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 5: These are people that are our age, right, it's squarely

963
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Speaker 5: in our demographic. This is their number one issue. Basically,

964
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Speaker 5: it's student loan debt, and it's housing. And when you

965
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Speaker 5: can come with a twenty five thousand dollars credit for

966
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Speaker 5: first time home buyers, I think it's really brilliant. And

967
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Speaker 5: it's forcing Republicans to explain what they're going to do,

968
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Speaker 5: which is likely. I mean, it's like healthcare, right, It's

969
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 5: like saying I'm for Medicare for all and then having

970
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 5: Republicans be like, well, I'm for this patch of deregulation.

971
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Speaker 4: You can't explain it in a way.

972
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 5: That is politically viable or politically superior to the average voter,

973
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: because it just it's a it's a pretty big solution

974
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Speaker 5: for a lot of people's problems.

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Speaker 3: What you hear as a counter is that, oh, well,

976
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: this is useless because it will just raise the price

977
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: of housing by twenty five thousand dollars. But you have

978
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Speaker 3: to remember that not every buyer is a first time

979
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: home buyer. Yes, so it economically speaking, the math should

980
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: work out that it actually does. For houses that are

981
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Speaker 3: in the first time home buyer range, it should increase

982
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Speaker 3: the price by something, but not twenty five so some

983
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 3: of it will some of the substy will be eaten

984
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Speaker 3: up by price increase.

985
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Speaker 2: Sefty is also work in different ways. If it's not

986
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: a tax lot like it could they could apply it

987
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: to moreage interest or there's a lot of different ways

988
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 2: to implement well.

989
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: And what does that do to supply? And it's just hard.

990
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: They say, the increases supply what they had a home

991
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: builder credit that was in there as well, So they're saying, look,

992
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean we'll see again. I think any of this

993
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: stuff will will actually happened, probably not quickly.

994
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: On Obamacare they're talking about so during the beginning of

995
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: the pandemic, you had that, you know, basically the ACA

996
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: was completely subsidized. It took what was a really crappy

997
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: insurance program to a really great insurance program that also

998
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: expired when they didn't include it in the IRA there

999
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: and he's and now she's talking about bringing that subsidy back.

1000
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Speaker 3: And it's happening at the same time that Trump has

1001
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: been saying on the stumps, on his stump speech that

1002
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: he's not going to repeal the ACA that unless he's said,

1003
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: you know, you've sard you've seen the line he says,

1004
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: unless we come up with something better, and by better,

1005
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean better for you, not for the government, so

1006
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: cheaper and better insurance, by which he means we're not

1007
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: coming up with anything better. So at minimum, you're going

1008
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: to get the ACA staying in place, and you may

1009
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Speaker 3: even get subsidies.

1010
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this one up on the screen.

1011
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: This is from Trump's Twitter account himself. It features a

1012
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: photos don't yeah, he's truly back.

1013
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: Don't threaten me with a good time.

1014
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say.

1015
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: Right, the red the what is it? The sickle and

1016
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: the hammer of communism, says Chicago. Basically, this aligns very

1017
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: much emily with the socialists and the communist attack that

1018
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: we've seen increasingly come from the GOP so I'm curious

1019
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: what you think of there, what do you think of

1020
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: the decision to go all in with this, because this

1021
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: actually came before price control debate, that's before that. That

1022
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: tweet actually went up before that. It was then followed

1023
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: up with and some of these press conferences and elsewhere.

1024
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 5: So I'm of two minds about this because on the

1025
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 5: one hand, obviously it depends on how you talk it. Like,

1026
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: you can do a lot of polling on things like

1027
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: Medicare for all and you can find massive public support

1028
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 5: for it. You phrase it a little differently, you can

1029
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: find massive, massive public support against it. So this socialism

1030
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 5: as a political football or communism as a political football,

1031
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: it always depends on the framing because it's not just

1032
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 5: cut and dry. You know, you call someone a socialist

1033
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 5: and it's all over. But Republicans do feel like with

1034
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: suburban women in particular, in past elections, recent election cycles,

1035
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: they've felt that it is really powerful to be able

1036
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 5: to tie Democrats to socialism. And Trump is going full communism,

1037
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: threatening Ryan with a good time over here. But seriously,

1038
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: I think there's as cringe and boomeery as that looked.

1039
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: I actually do think that if they frame it better

1040
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: throughout the next several months, and they're running those ads

1041
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 5: tying Kamala Harris to communism, socialism in suburban Philadelphia or

1042
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 5: you know, suburban Detroit, whatever, We're they're competing over fractions here.

1043
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: This is an election of fractions, just like sixteen and twenty,

1044
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: and it's an electoral college election. And so if you're

1045
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: playing tug of war over socialism and Republicans are doing

1046
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: a job that frames it.

1047
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: Again, we're just.

1048
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: Talking about politics, we're not talking about the substance. But

1049
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 5: if you're framing it in a way that successfully fearmongers,

1050
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 5: it can really work.

1051
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: I think those attacks work. I don't know.

1052
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: I'm curious what Ryan thinks about that, because you get

1053
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: people on the left to say, you know, we pull

1054
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: Medicare for all, it's super popular. We pull forgiving college

1055
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 5: debt super popular. And then sometimes when those policies trickle

1056
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 5: into the real world, Republicans have make successful attacks, and

1057
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Speaker 5: student loan debt is a really good example of that.

1058
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Speaker 3: I think the only thing that sticks to Democrats is

1059
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: we're going to raise They're going to raise your taxes.

1060
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Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think anything on the

1061
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: other side hurts them. I don't think that anything, even

1062
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Speaker 3: even if you call it price controls, these subsidies, all that,

1063
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: to the extent that it can hurt them, it's only

1064
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: because it makes people think, oh wait, somebody's going to

1065
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 3: have to get taxed to pay for that. And Trump

1066
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: he cut my taxes. Democrats I think they like to

1067
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: raise taxes. But overall, I don't think the communism thing

1068
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 3: is going to land at all. I mean we also,

1069
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Speaker 3: like we mentioned Roe v. Wade earlier, that's still an

1070
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Speaker 3: overriding issue.

1071
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1072
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be clear, we're debating things on the merits

1073
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Speaker 2: where they stand. Let's like immigration and abortion are the

1074
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Speaker 2: two most important issues of where we're actually very divided.

1075
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Speaker 2: Economy is like number three that's within that framework is

1076
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Speaker 2: kind of where I'm thinking.

1077
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Speaker 3: Now.

1078
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's number three for vota priorities. It's

1079
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Speaker 2: just that it's more of a mixed bag. So I

1080
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Speaker 2: was explaining this today actually here the dog Walk podcast

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Speaker 2: presented by Barsol Sports, where people should go subscribe to,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, well, what do you think about this election?

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Speaker 2: They're like, do you think this could become a class

1084
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Speaker 2: based election? And I was like, no, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: and I wish it weren't that way, But why are

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Speaker 2: we the absolute most divided? Immigration and abortion? Those are genuinely,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, like irreconcilable question. It's like somebody has

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Speaker 2: to win. We're either going to have a ton of

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants who continue to come in every year or

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Speaker 2: we're not. We're either going to kick them out or

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Speaker 2: we're not. That is an irreconcilable question of which we

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Speaker 2: have to decide. Are we gonna have a border wall

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Speaker 2: or not? Abortion? Are we going to be pro choice

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Speaker 2: or are we not going to be pro choice? Like

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Speaker 2: are we gonna allow Alabama and all these other states

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Speaker 2: to have this? Or are we gonna allow Trump to

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Speaker 2: come in? And what is it? Are you for it? Whatever?

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00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: That the myth press restone like is that legal or

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Speaker 2: is it not legal? That is an irreconcilable political question.

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Speaker 2: On the economic ones, it's a little bit less right.

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Speaker 2: So now we have candidates talking about both kind of

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Speaker 2: endorse the CTC, Yes, the tax rate and all of that.

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Speaker 2: But a lesson I really internalized Ryan from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two is that you know, the economy can be bad,

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00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: and look, it was way worse than than it is now,

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Speaker 2: and people will still just be like, I don't care.

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: I care way more about abortion and whether the tail

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Speaker 2: end of that can continue through today. I actually have

1109
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: no idea what that is, but I still think that

1110
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Speaker 2: those two cultural issues, the reason that they'll be more

1111
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: determinative is they're just so much more likely to get

1112
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Speaker 2: somebody to come out to vote. Like, if you're a Republican,

1113
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: you hate the immigrant the border situation, you got to

1114
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: you gotta crawl over broken glass. If you're a Democrat,

1115
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Speaker 2: you know, and you are just pissed off, or especially

1116
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: if you're an Arizona, Texas somewhere like that, you better

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Speaker 2: come out to vote. You be an idiot, frankly not

1118
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Speaker 2: to go out to vote, because if that's your number

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Speaker 2: one issue, Like, yeah, there's a one party that's actually

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Speaker 2: the one thing that they actually kind of want to do,

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Speaker 2: it could do if they got into power. So it

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Speaker 2: just seems so determinative.

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Speaker 3: Of you people, And I think that's because people have

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Speaker 3: lost faith, for the most part, in our political system

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Speaker 3: to solve economic problems.

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Speaker 2: That's very true.

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Speaker 3: People on the margins believe it, but in general, the

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Speaker 3: typical voters like eh, so therefore, what can a politician do.

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Speaker 3: And a politician can, as they've shown, can ban abortion,

1130
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Speaker 3: or they can legalize abortion. They can build a wall.

1131
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Speaker 3: They cannot build a wall. Democrats are trying to completely

1132
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Speaker 3: capitulate on immigration to take to take that away from

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Speaker 3: Republicans as much as they can. The other thing they

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Speaker 3: can do is they can they can mess with taxes

1135
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Speaker 3: and so if that and so if you're super rich,

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Speaker 3: we're pretty rich, and you don't care about or are

1137
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: against abortion rights, then the Republican Party is still that's

1138
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 3: still your party, right, But for the kind of upper

1139
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: middle class and middle class Democrats who are like I

1140
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: don't like paying a whole lot of taxes, but I

1141
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: don't like to admit that among my liberal friends, and

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Speaker 3: I support abortion right, some voting for the Democrats.

1143
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Speaker 2: But the Dems also bottom off. What are the they

1144
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Speaker 2: did is they're like, well, everyone down four hundred two fifty.

1145
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Now that was four hundred that's a lot of money, Okay,

1146
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars, I mean, what is that the top?

1147
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Speaker 2: That means all the time you're losing like five percent

1148
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Speaker 2: or two I mean, that's crazy, Like ninety eight percent

1149
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Speaker 2: of the country doesn't make for it. And so the

1150
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Speaker 2: question is has that trickled down culturally to people who

1151
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, Democrats actually aren't going to raise taxes

1152
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Speaker 2: on me, And.

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Speaker 3: It may have trickled down by now, well I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's been years now. Of the four

1155
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand members ahead.

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Speaker 5: That Trump post looks like a boomer email obviously like

1157
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Speaker 5: that basically what it looks like. But I don't know

1158
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Speaker 5: producer Mac if it's possible to get a one backup

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Speaker 5: on the screen. They the Democrats, Republicans did this as well.

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Speaker 5: It's like a typical convention thing, but put one of

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Speaker 5: their nights is listed for fighting for our freedoms. That's

1162
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Speaker 5: the the Yeah Wednesday a fight for our freedom. So

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Speaker 5: you have Tim Waltz speaking, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and

1164
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Speaker 5: Pete Budah Judge. So that is certainly going to be

1165
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Speaker 5: a night where there's a lot of conversation about abortion.

1166
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Speaker 5: And that's clearly I think it's very clearly a winning

1167
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Speaker 5: issue for Democrats in places there Michigan where you're fighting

1168
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Speaker 5: for especially suburban women. But that's also the same demographic

1169
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Speaker 5: that Republicans think they can win over. With this tug

1170
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Speaker 5: of war over socialism, and so communism might not even

1171
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Speaker 5: be as potent as socialism because it feels less believable

1172
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Speaker 5: with Kamala Harris for a lot of people, because Kamala

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Speaker 5: Harris has come out now capitulated on immigration. She has

1174
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Speaker 5: come out and said, you know, she's going to do.

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Speaker 5: What's another good example, there's immigration shit fracking. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: a great example. Another fantastic examples.

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Speaker 4: See.

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Speaker 2: The thing is with those two is again is that

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Speaker 2: if you look at the word clouds we commissioned at

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Speaker 2: breaking point incompetent is number one. I don't think that

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Speaker 2: the socialism communism stuff. I don't think it hits. They

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Speaker 2: call everybody socialist, they call everybody communist, just like liberals

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Speaker 2: always call Republicans fascist. It's like, why should I believe

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Speaker 2: you, you know if if Romney is just as much of

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Speaker 2: a fascist as Trump, like, you're an idiot.

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Speaker 3: I think you're talking of skepticism. And government plays into

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00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: that too because they might think, we, you know what,

1188
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Speaker 3: maybe she is actually personally a socialist, her dad was Marxist.

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Speaker 3: Anything but a bunch of liars.

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Speaker 5: Well remember and that didn't it didn't work. It did

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Speaker 5: not work on Obama. And so I think if someone

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Speaker 5: is an outspoken democratic socialist and Alexandria Costio Cortez or

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Speaker 5: in ilhan Omar, then Republicans will try to tie Democrats

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Speaker 5: to this person who is openly says that they espouse

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Speaker 5: democratic socialism, and that I do think Worksmala Harris Jarney.

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Speaker 3: Was like neck and neck and head to heads with

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Speaker 3: Trump calling himself a socialist.

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Speaker 4: But it's still a fractional.

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Speaker 5: You can still get those votes to turn the election

1200
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Speaker 5: just a tiny little bit in the electoral call.

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Speaker 2: Art of my frustration here is incompetence is sitting there

1202
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Speaker 2: waiting a flip flop. That is all I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: You like the lady who you know, how many clips

1204
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Speaker 2: did we play on what was it our Monday show

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Speaker 2: Mac where we're talking about immigration, right, and we had

1206
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Speaker 2: clips that juxtaposed her new border ad as opposed to

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Speaker 2: how she used to talk. I'm like, get out of here, lady.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe a single word that you say here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: on the border. And actually, if we look and we

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Speaker 2: think about some of those attacks that score the highest

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Speaker 2: against Kamala, the borders are attack is number one, and

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Speaker 2: I think it should be, because I'm like, lady, you

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Speaker 2: recalled the borders are under your administration, there were eight

1214
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Speaker 2: to ten million illegal immigrants who entered this country. Do

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Speaker 2: you stand by that or not? Is that something you

1216
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: would change? Yes or no? Now she says yes, now

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Speaker 2: when she's the presidential candidate. I'm like, Okay, I don't

1218
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Speaker 2: think that makes a lot of sense here. So the

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Speaker 2: incompetent and the flip flop line just seems so much

1220
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Speaker 2: more potent to me because that is something that both

1221
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Speaker 2: leftists and people on the right and even like independence

1222
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Speaker 2: that can all agree with that was incompetent? Was it

1223
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Speaker 2: big one even amongst Democrats?

1224
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Speaker 4: I think it's a more powerful one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is powerful. But her opponent is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but nobody cares.

1227
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Speaker 3: He has been. He has been and he's been president,

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Speaker 3: and competence would not be the big buzz word that

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Speaker 3: you associate with that four.

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Speaker 5: Year But the Trump, the Trump sort of nostalgia. What

1231
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Speaker 5: are democrats referring it to Trump nostalgia? Actually a lot

1232
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Speaker 5: of people would probably read into him foreign policy wise

1233
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Speaker 5: and economic wise, more competence because whether it's rose colored

1234
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Speaker 5: lenses or what, there are a lot of voters who

1235
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Speaker 5: felt like they were better off economically and in terms

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Speaker 5: of national security under Donald Trump. I don't know how

1237
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Speaker 5: popular or how powerful that is.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did see that too, I saw I would

1239
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Speaker 2: think it was a Fox News interview. I was just

1240
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Speaker 2: looking for it now where they asked JD about the

1241
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Speaker 2: plan to whatever get prices in control, and he's like,

1242
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Speaker 2: President Trump was already president. It's like, he's already you know,

1243
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: he got prices under control, that he'll return everything back

1244
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: to to that. And I was like, well, you know,

1245
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Speaker 2: even if it's not true or not, that's actually quite smart.

1246
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Speaker 4: It's a real thing.

1247
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Speaker 2: That's a real thing. Yeah, it's the real thing that

1248
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: people feel they're like when Trump was president, gas was

1249
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: ex groceries, Werek, Why now Biden is president and it's

1250
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Speaker 2: not I feel like he didn't do anything about that.

1251
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: Now Kamala who is literally his vice president, says she

1252
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: wants to do something four years later, Like do I

1253
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Speaker 2: really credibly think that. I'm not so sure. I mean,

1254
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Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, this is where the

1255
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: Trump nostalgia on foreign policy, on an economic policy, that's

1256
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Speaker 2: probably where he's the biggest beneficiary of. And I mean

1257
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Speaker 2: if I'm thinking to the Trump attacks, like the attacks

1258
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Speaker 2: that Kamala and them have used on Trump more recently,

1259
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: it is very much like a roll your eyes and

1260
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: avoid the chaos. And I think that again, to give

1261
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: them credit, I think that's smart instead of buying into

1262
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: the concern trolling of like our children are watching and.

1263
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Speaker 4: Can you believe what he said this time.

1264
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Speaker 2: It's very much like, okay, whatever, we've seen this movie before.

1265
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Speaker 2: Let's beat him at the ballot box in November and

1266
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: to make it like a bigger thing again. I think

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Speaker 2: that is smart coming from the Democrats right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. And the weird kind of

1269
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: counter fits into that in that because when you're calling

1270
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Speaker 3: somebody weird, you're not condemning them, you're not even you're

1271
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Speaker 3: not passing kind of moral judgment necessarily, you're just saying

1272
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Speaker 3: kind of weird, like just not my That's that's not

1273
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Speaker 3: how I would do it. You know, Trump, you do you,

1274
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: jd Vance, you do you. But strikes me as a

1275
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: bit weird, and it doesn't come off as preachy in

1276
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: the way that set the such a terrible tone for

1277
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Speaker 3: the Hillary campaign.

1278
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. The preachiness from the Hillary people was

1279
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Speaker 2: I think the single biggest.

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Speaker 5: But I do think Democrats, though, are feeling so confident

1281
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 5: with Kamala Harris that they have slipped into that a

1282
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 5: couple of times. And it's too early to say whether

1283
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 5: it becomes a dominant tone of the campaign. But Ryan

1284
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Speaker 5: has an example right here. Ryan's new hat.

1285
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Speaker 3: Rocking my new hat from Emily's list. But I thought

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Speaker 3: you embroidered that because if you can't read it says unburdened, right.

1287
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: Yes, and that he's got it on.

1288
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Speaker 2: Now.

1289
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Speaker 5: There are times where I do think because of that

1290
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Speaker 5: level of confidence in the honeymoon, which I also think

1291
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Speaker 5: this will extend it. I think you'll see cracks in

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Speaker 5: the honeymoon start to show up after Labor Day because

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Speaker 5: the sugar high can.

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Speaker 4: Only last so long. When Kamala Harris is the nominee.

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Speaker 5: It's not to say she's not still a much much,

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Speaker 5: much better candidate than Joe Biden, and the media is

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Speaker 5: still going to bat for her hard, but it's just natural.

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Speaker 5: It's the up and down of politics, and so when

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Speaker 5: that happens, we will see how Democrats react. Do they

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Speaker 5: react by doubling down in a twenty sixteen esque way

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Speaker 5: that goes into those commercials with the children watching Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump swhere who knows, which is just not effective.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't forget about this. The next presidential debate, the

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Speaker 2: first debate is actually going to take place on September tenth,

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Speaker 2: so it's only twenty days or so away. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to go through this week of the DNC. You

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Speaker 2: get the sugar high, then you get about a week

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Speaker 2: where they're both going to define each other, and then

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Speaker 2: they're both on a stage and you know, we're now

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Speaker 2: actually that's real game on, Like that's game time, And

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Speaker 2: the real question is can she withstand the Trump performance?

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Speaker 2: Like what does it look like with Donald Trump on

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Speaker 2: the stage with Kamala? Genuinely nobody knows this because this Kamala,

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Speaker 2: who are you?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What do you believe? Are you more confident? I think

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Speaker 2: she has been. Actually she's a lot more confident because

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Speaker 2: she didn't actually have to win the nomination.

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Speaker 4: Yees.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think honestly, if I were I'd be

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Speaker 2: pretty confident too. Right if somebody was like, hey, you

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Speaker 2: went from like you were, you know, a number two,

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Speaker 2: you're loyal, now you're number one. You don't even have

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Speaker 2: to fight for it? Ye, we got you. Here's your campaign.

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Speaker 2: Here's a couple hundred fasts. I mean like I want

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Speaker 2: to have to do this for one hundred days. I

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Speaker 2: don't have to leave my house for two years and

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Speaker 2: all of this I could be president. I mean that

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Speaker 2: sounds pretty cool, right, I would be flying high.

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Speaker 3: And there's the salor. The Sarah Palin playbook of debate

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Speaker 3: performance was you know, they said, okay, they did the math.

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Speaker 3: They were like, we need twenty two minutes. Yes, that's right,

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Speaker 3: of sound bites that are going to get clipped because

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Speaker 3: it turns out that people don't actually like an incredible rejoinder.

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Speaker 3: You know, you've got your viral moment right there. But

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: doesn't need to be that. It can just be saying

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01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: something mean about the other person in a clever way, ye,

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: completely unprompted and not even answering the question. So all

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Speaker 3: she has to do is have, like, let's say, forty

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Speaker 3: five minutes if it's a long debate of canned proscatorial

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Speaker 3: arguments that she's going to dish it at Trump, and

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Speaker 3: then she has to deliver them. And we know that

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Speaker 3: she can do that. In short form. She did that

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Speaker 3: little bust thing to Joe Biden. Remember that one was

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Speaker 3: that I was that little girl. Yeah, yeah, didn't actually

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01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: make a whole lot of sense because it wasn't didn't

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 3: fit the busting policy. Whatever, it doesn't doesn't matter. It

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Speaker 3: sounded like a good quip and it landed and it

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Speaker 3: worked for her in that in that moment too.

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Speaker 2: And this is the biggest problem is that Biden, you know,

1351
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: gave a once in a century performance. We actually melted down,

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Speaker 2: like immediately in the first ten minutes. But most people

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Speaker 2: the reason that debates traditionally don't matter is if you

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Speaker 2: were a politician of any reasonable talent surviving for forty

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: five minutes actually less with commercial breaks, you can do it.

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Speaker 2: Just platitude your way through whatever and then let the

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Speaker 2: k hie.

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Speaker 4: He did it in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump did that in twenty twenty. It was fine.

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Speaker 2: Biden did that in twenty twenty. It was fine. I

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Speaker 2: mean Hillary, like she gave what is the pundits all said,

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Speaker 2: Hillary won all three Guess what? Trump still won the election. Okay,

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Speaker 2: because it's not that hard. It's not that difficult actually

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Speaker 2: to get through.

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Speaker 4: I mean he went off to be clear.

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Speaker 2: My favorite YEA moment is yeah, you'd be in jail.

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Speaker 3: That's that's all.

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Speaker 2: Time, top tier, you would be in jail. That's as

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Speaker 2: good as it gets. But yeah, in general, I think

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Speaker 2: what we can just say is the Trump campaigns having

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Speaker 2: difficulty defining Kamala Harris going into this. Uh, they are

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Speaker 2: trying to do counter programming. It's not really working. They're

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Speaker 2: going to be all over you know, press, but everybody's here,

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Speaker 2: you know, people are rightfully I think, covering Biden, covering

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Speaker 2: the DNC, what's going to happen, and then how they

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Speaker 2: define her in that one to two week period afterwards

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Speaker 2: and then leading into the debate. That's the key stretch.

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Speaker 2: So I really think, guys that the election begins this

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Speaker 2: after this week. That's like the real general election. Yea,

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Speaker 2: let's see where the like she's gonna get her sugar high.

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Speaker 2: They've got two weeks there right before that debate, and

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Speaker 2: then the debate is like, fully, that's the sprint all.

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Speaker 3: The way to a life.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and start starting basically head to head or maybe

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Speaker 3: with Harris behind where she needs to be like because

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Speaker 3: she needs to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Trump. I mean, yeah, like we said forty

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Speaker 2: seven percent chance I mean that's high. Honestly, I would

1390
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Speaker 2: take that bed for Trump, like I think that's underestimating Trump.

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Speaker 2: And I still think he's got fifty. Like fifty, it's

1392
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Speaker 2: coin toss, but if you put a gun to my head,

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Speaker 2: I still think you would win. We have some video

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Speaker 2: from Chicago. This actually happened last night as all of

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Speaker 2: us were getting in. So our producer Mac is going

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and queue that up. But there was

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Speaker 2: an event. I think it was a Grant Park, is

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Speaker 2: that right? There's an event here here in Chicago, and

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Speaker 2: the event was like a DNC type thing, and there

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Speaker 2: was a stage where protesters actually were able to get

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Speaker 2: up on the stage and actually grab the microphone and

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Speaker 2: began shouting to the crowd. So Matt, can we queue

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Speaker 2: that up please, and we'll play it for everybody. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a listen you okay? Yeah, so you can see

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Speaker 2: they're taking the stage there. And then our very own

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Speaker 2: Emily actually here on the ground, had an interview with

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Speaker 2: a protester. Matt, can we go and queue that up

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Speaker 2: and I will toss to it. But Emily, before we

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Speaker 2: get to that, just tell us about what it was

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Speaker 2: like to walk with some of those protesters. Things are

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Speaker 2: kicking off a little bit right now too. What did

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Speaker 2: you see when you were there?

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously we're at the d NC. You guys made

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Speaker 4: me go talk.

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Speaker 3: To the press like a.

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Speaker 4: Leftist, and I was like, this is how I always

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Speaker 4: dressed down there?

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Speaker 2: Would they would love?

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Speaker 4: There were there were people. Yeah, I met a couple

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Speaker 4: of breakers in the wild and shout out.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I talked to a handful of people

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Speaker 5: who were there at the protest. It was big, but

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Speaker 5: scattered so on a couple of baseball fields in Union

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Speaker 5: Park here in Chicago. And one of the questions that

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Speaker 5: I wanted to put to protesters is are you with

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris or are you uncommitted? And talk to one

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Speaker 5: woman who said she was voting for Kamala but she

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Speaker 5: was kind of nervous to say that to be honest,

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Speaker 5: and was like intentionally on the outskirts of the protests. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: And I did though this was a big takeaway from me.

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Speaker 5: I talked to a few people who said they would

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Speaker 5: genuinely support voting for Kamala Harris if a ceasefire negotiation

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Speaker 5: is reached. If there's a ceasefire agreement, that is reached

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Speaker 5: by the Biden Harris administration that that would legitimately perhaps

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Speaker 5: send them out to vote for Kamala Harris. Now, to

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Speaker 5: be fair, this is a crowd of people who are

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Speaker 5: are pretty hard left. You know, there's some Antifa type

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Speaker 5: elements in the crowd mixing in with the crowd.

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Speaker 4: There's people from.

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Speaker 5: The usual Democratic protest groups that go to all of

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Speaker 5: these types of events. But even so, when a potential

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Speaker 5: ceasefire is what brings in this fractional election where there's

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Speaker 5: tug of war over all of these different fractional groups

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Speaker 5: of voters in states like Michigan, there are people from

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Speaker 5: outside of Chicago here, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. When that's what you're

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Speaker 5: doing in this tug of war young voters in particular,

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Speaker 5: that's it's possible that uh and we were just about

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Speaker 5: to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Let's take let's take a listen then to this video

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Speaker 2: that Emily shot with a protester.

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Speaker 5: How are you gonna support Kamala Harris?

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01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 4: You, I'm committed.

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Speaker 1: She's not getting my vote unless she can permanently cease

1454
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: fire and GUS and stop sending UH weapons to kill

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Speaker 1: innocent children and babies.

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Speaker 5: So and I talked to a few people who had

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 5: the exact same perspective, said, you know, I'm I will

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 5: legitimately consider voting for the Biden Hairs ticket or I

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 5: sound like the dumb platform, which also we should note

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Speaker 5: began with the land acknowledgment.

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Speaker 2: Oh did it really important?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: So but there were there were a handful of people

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Speaker 5: who said, you know, even in this hard this crowd

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Speaker 5: of like genuine leftists who said they would vote for

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Speaker 5: the Harris ticket if there's a ceasefire agreement.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Ryan, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Right? So the question then becomes and also but think yeah,

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Speaker 3: to your point this is these are the committed folks

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Speaker 3: right who there will be a bigger rally tomorrow. But thousand,

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Speaker 3: two thousand people out there, you think yeah, And it's

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Speaker 3: building to the organizers trying to say fifteen thousands.

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Speaker 2: Didn't see that, but there definitely was not fifty.

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Speaker 3: But these these are the hardcore folks. So if even

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Speaker 3: those folks are like, you know, I'm open to voting

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Speaker 3: for that suggest that there's a real opening there. And

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Speaker 3: the news out of out of Doha in these negotiations

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Speaker 3: is that so that Netyah, who had been demanding two

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Speaker 3: key things, IDF control of the Philadelphia Corridor, which is

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Speaker 3: the area in Rafa, the border between Egypt and Gaza.

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Speaker 3: And then another checkpoint, IDF control of Netserene Corridor, which

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Speaker 3: would divide North Gaza from South Gaza, which is just

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Speaker 3: utterly insane, like they're not agreeing to like turning it

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Speaker 3: into another into that, And so he has since net Ya,

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Speaker 3: who was backed away from the Netzerene Corridor in exchange

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Speaker 3: for a small but somewhat regulated IDF presence in the

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia Corridor in that border, so it's possible that Hamas

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Speaker 3: could agree to that, and since Netya who's already presented it,

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Speaker 3: it's difficult for him to them back out if they say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, we'll take that. We'll see. Like optimism

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Speaker 3: towards the ceasefire is for suckers, like it's it's been

1493
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 3: a fool's game the entire time, But it does seem

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 3: like everyone has an incentive to reach a deal at

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Speaker 3: this point, especially with the Ron saying we won't retaliate.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you just expand a bit though on

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Speaker 2: a tweet that you put out today, he said, the

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Speaker 2: whole Israel portion is a huge slap in the face,

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Speaker 2: too uncommitted talk to us about them.

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Speaker 5: By the way, we should just we should have a

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Speaker 5: section in every show dedicated to making Ryan holding him

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 5: accountable for his.

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Speaker 2: Own tweets as long as you don't hold me accountable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the so the the platform was released today

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Speaker 3: and you can find it on my twitter feed. I

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Speaker 3: have a link to it there. Starts on pay The

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Speaker 3: Israel Palestine part starts on page eighty three and it

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Speaker 3: reads as if a pac wrote it. Really yeah, interesting

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: this part that jumped out at me. Here They basically

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Speaker 3: they have a one sided condemnation of conflict related sexual

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Speaker 3: violence aimed only at Hamas, which is taking now this

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Speaker 3: like he's done a couple of weeks ago, but still

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Speaker 3: it's now being published in the context of the Kanesset

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Speaker 3: having an open debate about whether the acknowledged rape of

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Speaker 3: Palestinian detainees is legally okay or not right, not a

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Speaker 3: question whether it happened, but whether it actually is okay

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Speaker 3: and good that it was done in that context. To

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Speaker 3: only call out Hamas is a huge lap in the face.

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Speaker 3: But separate from that, it just goes on and says

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Speaker 3: that you know, the Palestinians are the ones who don't

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Speaker 3: care about a two state solution. In the context of

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Speaker 3: the Israeli government explicitly, legally, officially repeatedly saying they do

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01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: not support a two state solution, the DNC platform says

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: it's the Palestinians that are the obstacle to a two

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Speaker 3: state solution, and it just bashes Iran for like two pages.

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Speaker 2: But then what's up with the protesters, right, because, like

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Speaker 2: you just said, Dave Weigel, who we may be able

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Speaker 2: to get on the show at some point this week,

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Speaker 2: said that, you know, the protest organizers were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have thirty forty thousand people. There's nothing close

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Speaker 2: to I've seen it.

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Speaker 5: Close to one hundred reports saying I'm expecting close to

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Speaker 5: one hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 2: We're all here in Chicago. None of us have seen

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Speaker 2: any of that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what we'll do.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Cops everywhere, well, there are cops literally everywhere.

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Speaker 5: This is actually one of the things that I want

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Speaker 5: to bring up. I think you know, when you go

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 5: to these types of events, as we all have in

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 5: the past, and you cover them, you can feel if

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01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 5: there's an air of tension. Yeah, and that's definitely not

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01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 5: what I felt today, the kids in strollers, t shirts

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 5: being sold, all of that. I will say, though, to

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01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 5: the point Ryan's making about the platform, this is going

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 5: to be something that speakers, you know, have to confront

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 5: or one in one way or the other. It's going

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 5: to be a question that they're confronted with by delegates

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01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 5: in the hallways. And those videos are going to go viral.

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: It's going to be happening in all week. And I

1552
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 5: do wonder if building up to Kamala Harris's speech, the

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 5: tension starts.

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01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 4: To build as well.

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01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 5: Point as more and more people are coming for different

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01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 5: days of protests. And maybe Brian, you even have some

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01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 5: knowledge of what these organizers are doing and planning for.

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01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 5: But I get the sense it's possible that you know

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 5: right now there's not a lot of tension. Tension could

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 5: build as people interact with cops throughout the week. This

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 5: city is blanketed with law enforcement. You guys have all

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 5: probably noticed that blanketed with law enforcement.

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01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: If every street corner, it's like New York in the

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: old days, like it's literally five gods.

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 5: So frustration builds tension can build, and everyone knows the

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 5: main address this week is happening on Thursday, so it's

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 5: possible to me that some of this accumulates throughout the week.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Brian, Yeah, and the handful of

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: people are I know are trying to organize a floor

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Speaker 3: protest with.

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Speaker 2: That will be interesting. We'll be down on the floor

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: for that. So everyone stated that. One thing, just for

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01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: programming wise, we're doing these before the main events, and

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: then every day after we will summarize previous give our

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: reaction and also preview a little bit of what's coming.

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 2: The reason we're doing it that way is so that

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01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: we can actually we have our passes to be on

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: the floor, so that we can be there, which is

1579
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: when it's going down.

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 4: That's when stuff happened.

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 2: That's when stuff is happening, like not only the speeches,

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01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: but like what you just said. I mean, if we

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: see some floor protests, uncommitted protests and all that, we'll

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: be able to report what that was like, you know,

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01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: to be there and that'll be really interesting actually.

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 3: But we'll see. I think if they pull it off,

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 3: I think I'd be really small and you know, the

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01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: uncommitted leadership has You know a lot of operatives who

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 3: are also Democrats, like they are. I'm not saying they're

1590
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 3: not deeply committed to the cause, but they're also Democrats

1591
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 3: and they don't want to see Trump elected. So they're

1592
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: caught between their own personal politics and also you know,

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: the demands of a lot of them to say, don't

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01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: support the Democrats at all.

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01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 5: Is it possible we think that, I mean, this is

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 5: appropriately cynical that the Biden administration is leaking reports of

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01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 5: proximity to a cease fire this week that are way

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 5: more favorable than reality in order to sort of stanch some.

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01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 3: Of the They couldn't get Yahoo do well, actually they could.

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01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 3: They can absolutely get to do anything they want. They

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01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: just have refused up until this point. So it is

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 3: also possible that the uncommitted pressure is driving the Biden

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01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 3: Harris administration to pressure net Yahoo in a way that

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 3: they've completely refused to.

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01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 5: But but what about even in the bottle of public

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 5: relations where we saw that Barack ravied scoop last week?

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 5: You know what is it are they trying to frame

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 5: this as being way closer? Because when I'm out there

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01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 5: talking to these protesters, that's really on their mind is

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01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 5: if there's a ceasefire that changes their mind about the

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 5: ticket itself.

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01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: Is interesting.

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01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: I mean that's like some LVJ Vietnam stuff.

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: If Humphrey nineteen sixty would have done would he almost

1616
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: certainly would have won.

1617
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: If Nixon and Kiss there hasn't trees in this league

1618
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 3: gone to the.

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01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: V That's true, big news.

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to do. Nineteen people looked into it.

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I think, do we have anything.

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 3: Else showed up? You know, by the way, Oh, that's right,

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01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 3: we're supposed to put that up there.

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 4: He made it, which you know, what can I just say? Yeah,

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01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 4: so this is the picture bandon Harris, Wow, I like it.

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01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 5: So this is really interesting to me because we could

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 5: have had a be having a very different discussion about

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01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 5: this entire convention and election at this point August twenty

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01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 5: twenty four, if one of these third party candidates, be

1630
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: it Cornell West or I think RFK Junior are the

1631
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 5: two most likely to have launched a campaign into you know,

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01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 5: above ten percent support, which what we're looking at now

1633
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 5: with RFK Junior post Biden dropping from the ticket, it's

1634
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 5: going down. I think in five thirty eight he's around like.

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01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 4: Five point five.

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01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 5: So it just this could have been a dramatically different

1637
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 5: convention along those sort of nineteen sixty eight lines, had

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01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 5: someone like Cornell West really really got a campaign off

1639
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 5: the ground.

1640
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: This is barely Honestly, I'm disappointed for us because the

1641
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: whole reason that we decided, you know, budget wise, We're like, oh,

1642
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: we can only pick one, which one do we go?

1643
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: Do we go to the DNC because Biden is old,

1644
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 2: he's fading. You know, we're gonna have crazy protests for

1645
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: me to go. Yeah, well you get yeah, you decide.

1646
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 3: On your own.

1647
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: My marriage also got in the way because of uh.

1648
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: I was literally getting married the week of the RNC,

1649
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: so it made it a little bit easier. But I

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01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 2: mean a lot of the chaos, it hasn't materialized yet.

1651
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: And I could be totally wrong. Like you said, things

1652
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 2: could build, things could happen, but the stage is not

1653
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: currently set at least I think for nineteen sixty eight.

1654
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: Now watch tomorrow will be the craziest day ever.

1655
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 3: We're like Trump, We're like Trump, we want to refund.

1656
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to refund.

1657
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 3: I want to talk to the manager.

1658
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I was comrade, I was promised complete insanity,

1659
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: and I have not run into it yet, even though

1660
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: we've had the worst logistics of all time. I don't know.

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep calling them out for that because I'm

1662
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: still pissed.

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 4: Whe's my refund.

1664
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 5: But you know the the RNC, remember they closed the

1665
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 5: credentials at like six thirty pm.

1666
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, it's it's it's always.

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01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: I guess it's always like baked. Okay, anybody, thank you

1668
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: so much for bearing with us. Reminder, we've got that

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01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: our live stream. You'll be able to ask us questions

1674
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 2: and all that. Chris will be here in Chicago on Wednesday.

1675
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 2: We're going to give some exclusive benefits of being able

1676
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: to ask questions getting this stuff early as well, so

1677
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: don't worry about that. Otherwise, we've got to head over

1678
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: to the United Center to go to the actual convention floor,

1679
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: so we'll see you all tomorrow. Will recap President Biden's

1680
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 2: speech and give you all of our reaction as well

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01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: as preview what Obama, Clinton and Kama. I'll have to say.

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Speaker 3: We will be unburdened by what has been and.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you do a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Okay, we'll see you guys later