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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to another episode of Car Stories.

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Speaker 2: With Soun King and Amelia Hartford, and.

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Speaker 1: Today we get to talk to an old friend of ours,

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Speaker 1: Brian Scotto, one of the founders of Hunigan, and just

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Speaker 1: had an illustrious journey in his life from wanting to

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Speaker 1: be an engineer to being a journalist and eventually founding

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Speaker 1: one of the most influential car content.

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Speaker 3: Media houses today. You know, I've known Brian for quite

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Speaker 3: some time and he's always been such a huge supporter,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know that I got to hear his

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Speaker 3: story to the level that we heard it in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got to talk about inspiration, inspiration one

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Speaker 1: leaves on this earth before we.

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Speaker 3: Go away, Yeah, and also the different eras or chapters

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Speaker 3: that he feels he's had in his life, and also

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Speaker 3: what's to come.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, so enjoy this conversation with our old buddy,

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Speaker 1: Brian Scotto. So, Brian, speaking to driving, Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the seed that got you into.

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Speaker 4: Cars, Like, where did that start? Getting my background?

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Speaker 5: I grew up in New York City and as you know,

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Speaker 5: it's like the capital of driving cars. Right, No, absolutely

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Speaker 5: not like a lot I still have friends who are

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Speaker 5: in their forties that never got their driver's license because

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Speaker 5: like the subway is great and like ride bikes, like

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Speaker 5: you don't really need you don't really need cars. But

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Speaker 5: my grandfather he was like a rags to riches story.

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Speaker 5: And when he did make money later on in his

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Speaker 5: life and like his like sort of like mid fifties,

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Speaker 5: he just spent it all on cars.

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Speaker 4: So he actually passed away when I was eight.

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Speaker 5: But when he passed away he had I think like

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Speaker 5: eighteen or nineteen cars. So for me, like having this

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Speaker 5: like huge horde of cars is like kind of just normal.

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Speaker 5: That was sort of like what I grew up around.

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Speaker 5: And he had like a really weird mix of stuff.

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Speaker 5: He had everything from like Auburn's and like a bunch

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Speaker 5: of other like you know, and then pre war cars.

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Speaker 5: But then he also had he had two core of

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Speaker 5: bets are actually I guess he had three corvettes. He had

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Speaker 5: a Dolorean, which like you have to understand, like as

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Speaker 5: a kid, like.

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Speaker 4: You don't remember this time because you're you're a youngster.

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Speaker 5: Don't no, no, I know you know what it is,

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Speaker 5: but you don't remember when Back to the Future was

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Speaker 5: in theaters.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: As a kid, like that was just the coolest thing,

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Speaker 5: and that car felt like it was the future.

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Speaker 4: It felt like it was the coolest thing. Ever.

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Speaker 5: He only had it for a short period of time

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Speaker 5: because he bought it and was like, this thing's junk.

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Speaker 5: And that also kind of crushed me because my Grandfa's

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Speaker 5: like this car is trash, Like I don't want it.

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Speaker 5: But but I got to like be around all that.

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Speaker 5: And I think I was like six and I was

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Speaker 5: in the passenger seat of his fifty seven that we

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Speaker 5: gear and like broke the tires free and like the

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Speaker 5: that like that like that seems like so much fun.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that kind of just stuck with me. And

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Speaker 5: then from there. When I was young, I was really pragmatic,

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Speaker 5: so like everybody else that was into cars I knew

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Speaker 4: So I got really into like RC cars.

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Speaker 5: I was like heavily into that, Like I started my

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Speaker 5: also really into snowboarding, skateboarding, riding BMX, and cars became

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Speaker 5: because none of my childhood friends were into cars. It's

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Speaker 5: hobby for me, right, Like I was writing graffiti and

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Speaker 5: like doing all this other stuff like riding bikes and

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Speaker 5: all this stuff with my friends. I like that's what

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Speaker 5: also like really really enjoyed car culture, and it was

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Speaker 5: just it felt hidden for me, Like, you know, going

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Speaker 5: car culturehen I was a teenager, you know, Otherwise it

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Speaker 5: people didn't have fancy cars, Like cars were just were

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Speaker 5: just transportation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like, well, anytime I speak to you,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you would have been a great like

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Speaker 1: class president, great at like organizing people together. Yeah, where

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Speaker 1: does that come from? Is that from the grandfather or

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Speaker 1: your dad?

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Speaker 4: I think it's from my mom, my mom.

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Speaker 5: Both my parents are scientists, and my mom has very

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Speaker 5: much like that leadership kind of administrative personality.

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Speaker 4: That's just like how she is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and actually my mom is the reason I started

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Speaker 5: a car club because I bought this Volkswagen. It was

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Speaker 5: a four door Mark three slammed like way too low

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Speaker 5: even back then, and I was like sitting at home

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Speaker 5: just was complaining to my mom. I'm like, yeah, just

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Speaker 5: like a bummer, Like I don't really know anyone who's

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Speaker 5: into cars. And although a few people I've met, like

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Speaker 4: It was like nineteen.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, like how would I do that. She's like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, go figure it out, Like just I'm

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Speaker 5: sure you can figure it out. And I did that

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Speaker 5: start my own car club, and within a year later,

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Speaker 5: like we had like thirty members. But what was the

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Speaker 5: important part was like we started doing events. So we

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Speaker 5: started doing a monthly cruise. So we did this thing

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Speaker 5: called the car club was called auto Creek and which

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Speaker 5: like loosely translates in German too like automotive competition or

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Speaker 5: something like auto wars whatever.

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Speaker 4: When I was nineteen. It sounded great, but we started it.

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Speaker 5: It was like this small group of people who were

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Speaker 5: like people could take for me in a lawsuit. And

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Speaker 5: I realized, like how little wyability like we had on

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Speaker 4: But we'd started this cruise.

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Speaker 5: We found a bunch of windy roads out Long Island,

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Speaker 5: which realized, like growing up in New York, like it's

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Speaker 4: So there was obviously a street race.

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Speaker 5: Community that like operated a lot in Brooklyn and Queens,

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Speaker 5: but I wasn't really into that. Like I went and

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed watching it and it was kind of like

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Speaker 5: fun to be a part of that until Fast and

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that later, But.

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Speaker 5: I was more into like the dynamic element, right like

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Speaker 4: Canyon style roads.

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Speaker 5: Well, not that we had that in New York, but

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Speaker 5: them all and we started doing this event. We called

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Speaker 5: it Full Moon Full Throttle, and the idea was the

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Speaker 4: We would meet in a like a rest area.

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Speaker 5: Off of the Long Island Expressway at midnight and then

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Speaker 5: started with twenty cars and by the time we did

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Speaker 5: the last one, we had one hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And I was like twenty years old trying to organize

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Speaker 5: this with like walkie talkies and like, and like we

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Speaker 5: we ran it for two years as a monthly event.

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Speaker 5: So I went from feeling like there was no community

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Speaker 5: and like it's.

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Speaker 4: Pot luck, like bring your own meals.

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Speaker 5: And by the time we got to like the third

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Speaker 5: this like amazing experience because you also think of like

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Speaker 5: how culturally diverse Queens is, which is where we had

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Speaker 5: just became this like rad like feast for all these

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Speaker 5: of it was like the community around cars and like

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Speaker 5: all of that, and and you know, you fast forward

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Speaker 5: my car club like fifteen years later stood next to

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Speaker 5: me at my wedding. So yeah, to me, the car

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Speaker 5: this small little legacy that we built. It wasn't really intentional.

441
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,679
Speaker 5: It was like we were just trying to make something

442
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,760
Speaker 5: great and trying to make something different, and we really

443
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 5: loved that magazine and we poured so much into it

444
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 5: as a team, everyone who was involved with it. And

445
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,880
Speaker 5: I think when we were doing Hoonigan, I don't think

446
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,640
Speaker 5: I started to think about the legacy of like what

447
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,199
Speaker 5: Hoonigan was and you know, and then like what it

448
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 5: had done and like what the culture change and shift

449
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 5: around it until probably a couple of years ago. And

450
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 5: I think you actually start to do that as like

451
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 5: the company itself shifts. People leave and you know, and

452
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 5: you realize, like that's like an era that just ended,

453
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 5: you know, And that's I think a hard thing for

454
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 5: people to understand is I think when you watch Unigan

455
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 5: from the outside, you know, you think about it as

456
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,359
Speaker 5: like a group of friends, like at the end of

457
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 5: the day, like it's employees, and like people do different

458
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 5: things in life, and sometimes people either you know, want

459
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 5: to go do their own thing, they don't want to

460
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:31,400
Speaker 5: do it anymore.

461
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 4: You guys both know.

462
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 5: This, and I think this is something that is hard

463
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,439
Speaker 5: for people to understand who don't understand it. Is like

464
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 5: fame affects different people differently, right, and some people enjoy it,

465
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 5: some people like really come to life, some people that

466
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 5: changes their personalities, and other people hate it, right, and

467
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 5: they really don't want to be around it. And I

468
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 5: will tell you in my experience, the people that you

469
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 5: think love it actually hate it because they're kind of

470
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 5: acting the whole time and then they turn it off

471
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 5: and they don't want to be around it it anymore.

472
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 5: And I think that like a lot of that happened

473
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 5: to Tune again, is we started to really sort of explode,

474
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 5: Like twenty sixteen to like twenty eighteen was sort of

475
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 5: this like just we just kept getting bigger and bigger

476
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 5: and bigger, and all of a sudden, like you're getting

477
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 5: recognized in airports and it's not even a car events anymore,

478
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 5: Like you know, you're out to dinner and people are

479
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 5: recognizing you.

480
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 4: And I think.

481
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 5: For a lot of us that was there was an

482
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 5: element of that and hurt and I used to always

483
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 5: joke about this, which was like we're famous, but we

484
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 5: don't have famous money. So like you're famous, but you're

485
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 5: sitting coach next to somebody who now is talking to

486
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 5: you NonStop and you just like want to watch your

487
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 5: movie and like not deal with that, you know. And

488
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 5: I think when that started to happen, I started to

489
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 5: realize we were never going to be the company we

490
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 5: were anymore, Like when we stopped making Daily Transmission. I

491
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 5: think that was maybe the first time that I started

492
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 5: to think about like I say, I don't know if

493
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 5: I put that word on it, but I realized like

494
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 5: that was an end of an era, like we were

495
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 5: never going to go back and make that again. And

496
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 5: at a certain point, yeah, yeah, that was like the

497
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 5: show everybody loved and everyone enjoyed it. But I think

498
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 5: at a certain point, like the crew just didn't enjoy

499
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 5: making it anymore. And that came through, you know, and

500
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 5: you try to like make it work, but it doesn't.

501
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 5: And then we went and did something else and we

502
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 5: all did the show's comeback Labs, and we loved it.

503
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 4: It was so much fun to make that right.

504
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 5: And and you know it's like bands like you love

505
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 5: your you love a band's first album. You just love

506
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 5: that first album and you just want them to go

507
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 5: back and make that first album. But when they were

508
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 5: making that first album, like they didn't have the things

509
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 5: that came with the second album, the third album. They

510
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 5: you know, they did it in a rented studio from

511
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 5: a friend or you know, they they lie cheat steel,

512
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 5: you know, they did whatever hook or crook to be

513
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 5: able to make that album, and you lose a lot

514
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 5: of that energy once you become successful, and then it's

515
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 5: not as easy to get back to that stuff, and

516
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 5: then it starts to become disingenuous. And I think as

517
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 5: I grew something like Cunigan and even with Ken Block,

518
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 5: you start to go back to things where you're like,

519
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 5: we don't enjoy this as a group to make this

520
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 5: as much as we used to. We want to do

521
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 5: something new, and then the audience doesn't always want that new,

522
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 5: so you kind of were like in this weird world

523
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 5: of like you're trying to deliver something that maybe doesn't

524
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 5: serve for you. You know, I love new things, so

525
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: like for me, and there's a famous quote I think

526
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 5: on the Amazon Prime thing from Ken where Ken was like,

527
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 5: if it works, we're going to keep doing it. But

528
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 5: Scotta wants to do something different just because he's bored,

529
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 5: and like there was that for me. Like for me,

530
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 5: there was this really exciting era and our audience jokes

531
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 5: about it a lot because it's like they always like, oh,

532
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 5: another new show, because we were just launching like all

533
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 5: new show ideas. Because I just wanted to build and

534
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 5: build and build, and once I realized that like YouTube

535
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 5: deleted the gatekeeper and I could like just make TV

536
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 5: style shows and put them up on YouTube. And I

537
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 5: was able to find enough funding to be able to

538
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 5: support all of that. We went for it. We're all

539
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 5: of them good. Nah, some of them were okay, but

540
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 5: some of them were really fun. We did the show

541
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 5: called Build and Battle, which was fantastic. We did we

542
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 5: did a bunch of adventure stuff that was great. We

543
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 5: did come Back Labs, which I loved. We launched a

544
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 5: whole content series around Ken, which like he fought me

545
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 5: on because he didn't really want to do it. But

546
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: there was a lot of stuff that we did that

547
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 5: was like a lot of fun in that era, And

548
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 5: once the error is behind you, you're like you realize

549
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 5: the value of it later on. I think it's very

550
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 5: hard to understand the value of it when you're in it,

551
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 5: And I think if you worry too much about the

552
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 5: value of it when you're in it, then you're like

553
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 5: looking at the wrong reasons to do it. But I

554
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 5: think there is definitely there's definitely this balance of like

555
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 5: serving an audience and making them happy, and there's this

556
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 5: big joke that's like my title is chief creative officer,

557
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 5: but I get called two other things. One is chief

558
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 5: complication officer because I just complicate everything because I enjoy

559
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 5: complications and chaos. And the other one is chief comment

560
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 5: officer because like I read a lot of the comments

561
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: from the audience, right, and I know some people don't

562
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: like to Do you read your Do you read your comments?

563
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: I do you do?

564
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 3: I if we're talking YouTube specifically, I'll read the first

565
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: couple of days, and then after that I kind of

566
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 3: don't really go back.

567
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 5: I really only need the first six or seven hours

568
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: because like that's where you get a lot of it.

569
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 5: But after that the comments kind of change because now

570
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 5: you're getting outsiders who aren't really your core audience anymore.

571
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: So you do read them. Yeah, I was wondering because

572
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 4: some people.

573
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: Don't I try to respond to them.

574
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I I have my phases, like sometimes I

575
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: just really won't be in the mood to accidentally stumble

576
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: across something that it's.

577
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: Super negative or get toxic, so then.

578
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: I won't put myself in the situation room. But I

579
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: enjoy hearing the audience's feedback because it's always going to

580
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: be honest.

581
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think you always have to look

582
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 5: at it like an outlier situation. The super super super

583
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 5: positive stuff just ignore it, like they will just say

584
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 5: everything's coat right. And the super super negative stuff that's

585
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 5: like weirdly toxic. They've got a problem with something else,

586
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 5: just ignore it and like find that stuff.

587
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: In the middle.

588
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: I used to not even read them.

589
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: I think anyone who's female in our space sometimes gets

590
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 5: really fucking creepy shit, but also like some like unnecessarily

591
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 5: fucking toxic.

592
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: Boy.

593
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I actually think it, replied to one on

594
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: yours one like stuff, the fuck you need to check

595
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 5: yourself real quick.

596
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: I never like to play the female card.

597
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: No, I know, I know. But at the same time,

598
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: it's like people say things I'm like, you wouldn't say

599
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 4: that to me.

600
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.

601
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: The criticism that I get because of my gender versus

602
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: someone else, like I have to put I always feel

603
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: like I have to work twice.

604
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: It's hard to get half the respect, for sure.

605
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: I read a great comment the other day that just

606
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: made me laugh. They had some video of me and

607
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, it's it's it's on And then

608
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: this guy wrote, it's like man Han is turning into

609
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Chai on fat because my face looked a little fat

610
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: and actually.

611
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 6: Made I spit up my drink and I was like,

612
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 6: this guy is super clever.

613
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: Commenters will get a good knock and you're like, oh,

614
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: it's pretty fit to sit. Am I getting a little fat?

615
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 4: Maybe I need to exercise a little bit more. Oh god,

616
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: it's hilarious.

617
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: Well, because I like, obviously, for me, the big joke

618
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 5: is like most my cars don't run. I bought that

619
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 5: farm and someone named it Avascato because it's avocado farm, and.

620
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: I was like, that's pretty good.

621
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 5: And then it was like Avascotto Farms, and then someone

622
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 5: added ava Scatto Farms in Salvage because I have a

623
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 5: bunch of I was like, this is great. I was like,

624
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: I'm just going to steal all your guys names.

625
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 7: It's fantastic, Avascotto Farms and salvage. It's funny, like at

626
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 7: the end, salvage is great because you're like, what, so, yeah,

627
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 7: I got a bunch of cars parks on the property.

628
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 5: But anyway, where were we before the Yeah? I know,

629
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 5: I mean, look, obviously I dealt a lot this year

630
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 5: with like the legacy of Kem Block. I mean that

631
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 5: was something that was very much you know, in front

632
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 5: just front of brain. I mean it was front of brain,

633
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 5: probably earlier than it should have been. Like I was

634
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 5: still dealing with and trying to like understand what it happened,

635
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: but also thinking about, like how do we message this

636
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 5: right like like we have to do that and I

637
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 5: and then you know when on the first day, like

638
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 5: I couldn't even deal with the situation I had Ron.

639
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, dude, you need to.

640
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: Like ron Ziras, who's like always been like my second

641
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 5: hand and work directly with Ken for years.

642
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 4: I was like, I need you to do this because

643
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 4: like I can't deal with this right now.

644
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 5: And like, I think we had some we had some

645
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: fun moments in that cause we were I don't say

646
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: fun funds of the wrong word, but we had moments

647
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: that made a smile, which was we had this thing

648
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 5: of like if we had to send this to Ken

649
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 5: right now, would he even approve this or like he

650
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 5: just like rip us apart for this, you know, And

651
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 5: that kind of kept kept him alive in a way

652
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 5: for us. But like I think you look at the

653
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 5: legacy side of it, and it became very important to

654
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 5: like a lot of other people around him. Obviously Lucy

655
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 5: and the family, and it's like, well, yeah, how does Ken,

656
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 5: you know, how does Ken get remembered through all of this?

657
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: Right?

658
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: And like the things that like I knew were like

659
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 5: really important to Ken, and like what Ken wanted to see?

660
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: You know what what mattered to Ken? Right?

661
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 5: And I think you know the thing is like Ken

662
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: will always be famous for the Jimcna films, but like

663
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 5: Ken loved being a rally car driver, Like that was

664
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: a thing he loved, but he also loved being like

665
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 5: the marketing person and like understanding the audience. Like I

666
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 5: think all of us, you know who knew Ken from

667
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 5: the automotive side, don't realize that, Like he'd already had

668
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: twenty years of like being a very successful businessman in

669
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 5: the marketing space, and like that was a big part

670
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 5: of his identity, right, And it's like for me, that's

671
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 5: like what my identity is, right, Like I'm not a

672
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: race car driver, like Mike can stitch together a decent

673
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: time on a track, but like that's not who I am.

674
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: And that's like and like he didn't become that till later.

675
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 5: He didn't start racing until he was thirty six, right,

676
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: so he already had this like very successful thing that

677
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 5: he did with eight ball and drawers and dub and

678
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 5: obviously DC shoes, you know, and all that. And he

679
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: had all these other people who like in many ways

680
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 5: owe their careers, you know, in many parts to him,

681
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: right whether and like Legends, right, Rob Deerdic, Danny Way,

682
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 5: all these people who like Ken was the person who

683
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: helped them go chase these really big ideas, right, And

684
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: Ken was that for me too. And I think it's

685
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: weird because like as we walked away from like all

686
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 5: of this, and we had this memorial for Ken, which

687
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 5: was really amazing. It was really difficult, but it was

688
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: really amazing, and like there was just this constant thing

689
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 5: that we're here. It's five hundred people who all knew Ken, right,

690
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: Like everyone here had either worked with him, worked for him,

691
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 5: was friends with him, his family, and so like these

692
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 5: are the people who like really knew Ken, right, this

693
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 5: isn't just the people who knew him from Afar. It

694
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: was like this one thing that just kept repeating, and

695
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: it was like Ken was so good at creating opportunity

696
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: for people. He never gave it away for free, Like

697
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: you had to work hard for it. It was never

698
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 5: free but he could like spot things in people and

699
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 5: then like basically expect it from you, right, And I

700
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 5: was like, that was what he did. And I think

701
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: about like what I want Ken's legacy to be, and

702
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 5: you know, and I don't really think about my own,

703
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 5: but I like, I hope I'm remembered well. But like

704
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: I think in Ken's legacy, it's so easy for people

705
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: to be like, oh, he was this amazing driver, right,

706
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 5: and like Jim Kanna and like all of that, and

707
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: like that's like very superficial.

708
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: And I think that's a very simple one to look at.

709
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: But if you look at it more of like, well,

710
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: Ken created this opportunity for so many of us because

711
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: like he rewrote the paradigm of like, right, this word

712
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: is overused, but like he disrupted automotive motive sport, like

713
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 5: he already disrupted automotive marketing in motorsports one hundred percent.

714
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: I remember how people couldn't understand why we did things

715
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 5: the way we did, Like we were working in WRC

716
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 5: and the FIA, and they were like threatening to find

717
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: me because I wasn't sending out press releases and I'm like,

718
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: why do I have to sound on a press release?

719
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: Like we're going to do this on Facebook, that we're

720
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 5: gonna speak directly to our audience. We're going to reach

721
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 5: more people than our email list. They're going to get

722
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: to like why does this matter?

723
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: You know?

724
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 5: And it seemed normal for us, but it was really

725
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 5: like taking a different approach at it. And you know,

726
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: so like I think, in a lot of ways, I

727
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 5: hope that right now, you know, it's it's not even

728
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: been a year, and I think everyone it just misses

729
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 5: him from like what he gave the community to me.

730
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: I hope that in ten years from now, if you

731
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: look back and you know, someone does a you know,

732
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: a retrospective or a doc on like the importance of Ken.

733
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it.

734
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: Is that I think he really helped kind of usher

735
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: in like a different way of like the automotive world

736
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 5: sort of looking at like entertainment and like the value

737
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: of marketing and doing things different and bringing all of

738
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: that in and and I think that that, you know,

739
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 5: in a way, like I think he would be happier

740
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: with that legacy than just like, oh he was the

741
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 5: guy that did Jim Kana, but like it was more

742
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: than Jim ConA. I mean even just the idea to

743
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: you know, to create some you know hoonigan and to

744
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: to do all of that.

745
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we were.

746
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: Very much were kind of at a forefront of when

747
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: all that stuff was happening, and then in a way

748
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: I think paved a path for so many other people

749
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: before the Jim Conna films, BMW or Porschal, Like they

750
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: weren't asking for cars to be slid around in commercials

751
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 5: like that like changed the way that people saw cars

752
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 5: as exciting. And like you talk to people in the

753
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: Hollywood world and they'll be like, oh, yeah, we changed

754
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 5: the way that we did stunt driving after we saw

755
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: the Jim ConA films, right, and like so like that

756
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: was this cool inspiration behind it. But it's like it's

757
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 5: not just the films. It's like what did the films

758
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: effect that created this longer lasting change.

759
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: I mean, and it sucks to.

760
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: Say this, but like there's this thought of like, man,

761
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: you wish you could hear what people say about you

762
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: after you're gone, Like if Ken could just see the

763
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 5: amount of appreciation that he has now that like maybe

764
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: he didn't.

765
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: Realize was there while he was alive.

766
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: And I think like that's like what like real legacy

767
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: looks like because it wasn't just the thing he made.

768
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 5: You can make a great film where you can make

769
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: a great statue or whatever, but like, but how did

770
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: that inspire someone else? Like I think that's the important

771
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: legacy because if you just did something that was really

772
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 5: cool but it didn't make someone else do something really

773
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 5: cool out of it, well, then then what is that

774
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 5: that I think is a real legacy versus just being like, oh,

775
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: they were the best at this, that's cool, but like,

776
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: were they the best at it and inspired someone else

777
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: to be better?

778
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of cool because.

779
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: I'll hear people sometimes like, oh, these guys are like

780
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: they're way better than you now, And I'm like, yeah,

781
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: but I also know that, like they've told me that,

782
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 5: like we like helped pave the way for them, so

783
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: like I hope they're better. Because if you do something

784
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: and then the person who comes up behind you doesn't

785
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: do it better, like although you you bushwhacked, the next

786
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: person has to clear the path, and then the person

787
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 5: after that has to pave it, and the person after

788
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 5: that puts in some railings and then some lights and

789
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: you know, eventually have a nice little sidewalk right and

790
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 5: it's like, but everyone has to improve that.

791
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: Path, especially if you went down at first, right, And.

792
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that we were entirely first, but we

793
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: were pretty early on a lot of it, and you know,

794
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 5: I think that that's part of that legacy, is like being.

795
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: A part of that community side of it.

796
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I think you definitely in what you guys have built

797
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: over and have inspired so many people, you know, and

798
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: that just you know, not just in the car community,

799
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: but what you said early on, which I think, you know,

800
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: it's stuck with me this whole conversation and it'll take

801
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: away is you know, just.

802
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: Go figure it out.

803
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 6: To my mom said, shit, don't be an asshole. Yeah,

804
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 6: what a great lesson. Figuring it out. Caron is such

805
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 6: a great thing from both the content side of this,

806
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 6: even just like how to how to make something work

807
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 6: on a car and you're like, I don't know, I

808
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: guess I'll just I mean, the amount of other people's

809
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 6: YouTube stuff I watched to make my own YouTube stuff

810
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 6: is incredible and it's a.

811
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: Good tool to have to just learn how to figure

812
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: things out. You don't have to be right, but it's

813
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: taking the initiative to get out of your comfort zone.

814
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.

815
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: You were talking about different eras being different things that

816
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: you enjoy at the time in your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

817
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, what are you enjoying now?

818
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've thought about today. I definitely

819
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 5: have thought about, like what are some of the peak

820
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: moments for me right like just in my career. I'm

821
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: in my forties, start to think about things like that.

822
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 5: But like zero sixty magazine was like a really big peak.

823
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 5: It was so much fun and it felt so adventurous,

824
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 5: and we had no idea what we were doing and

825
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 5: we were just faking it till we make it, and

826
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 5: that was super fun. Obviously, the similar thing in early

827
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: hunigaan daily Transmission era was great. I think something else

828
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 5: that's really interesting for me now is I'm watching like

829
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 5: a major shift in content in the space, you know,

830
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: so like looking more at like what the future of

831
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: Hoonigan can be in like a short form space, and

832
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: also being like more collaborative with other people right now

833
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: is like really where like my interests lie instead of

834
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 5: you know, kind of for a long time. I will

835
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 5: say like Honigan had its collaborative years, but we also

836
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: very much had like our sort of like Rock of

837
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 5: Solitude style.

838
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: I've always seen you guys being very collaborative and supportive

839
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: of other careers.

840
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: We're definitely supportive, I think. I think if I have any.

841
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 5: Regrets, is I wish we would have pushed harder, and

842
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: not that we still can't, but like I wish we

843
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: had like worked harder to like have just done more

844
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: like things like let's just do a show with Amelia that,

845
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: like you know, like that I think is where I

846
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: really wanted to get to more earlier on.

847
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 4: And we did a bit with some people.

848
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: But I.

849
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: Look at the space now and I think that the

850
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 5: more collaborative of the whole space can be, just the

851
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 5: more powerful we all are as a sort of like

852
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 5: maybe you want to call us influencers, creators, what the

853
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: hell it is, But like I think there's a lot

854
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 5: of value in that.

855
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Well maybe that's the next are Yeah, maybe.

856
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: That's the next err And like I said, I think

857
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: that that's the part I'm kind of excited about now

858
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 5: is is that stuff.

859
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: And I love like the.

860
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: Energy of like a lot of the young, you know,

861
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: like sort of up and coming creators. Like let's just say,

862
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 5: like the sub hundred thousand followers like that because they're

863
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: still still new and exciting for them, and you know,

864
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: that's there's something really there's a great energy there and.

865
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: Like I don't I don't totally lose that energy.

866
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: And I think this is the thing that frustrates a

867
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: lot of people sometimes is like I have a new

868
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 5: idea and I get excited about it, like it's the

869
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: first idea I ever had, right, and like that I like,

870
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: but I also want everyone else to have that level

871
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: of excitement too, And I think sometimes you know, you

872
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 5: you need to shift things up and have and work

873
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: with different people on that. And I also think that

874
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: other people need to shift their things up and work

875
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: with different people. Like like Hurts a perfect example. I

876
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: love her. He's like a brother to me. He was

877
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 5: like employee number four and now like he's going and

878
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: chasing something new. He's still friends and family with Hunigan.

879
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: We'll still make content with him, but like he's chasing

880
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: this whole other thing on his own and stuff he's

881
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 5: doing with Tea Pain, and it's like that's rad.

882
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: Like people need to go do that.

883
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 5: They need to kind of like go break up the

884
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: model of doing different stuff and you know, and I

885
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 5: that to me is kind of exciting, is to kind

886
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 5: of watch like what happens with sort of that the

887
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: extended family. And I think it goes back to what

888
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 5: I said at the beginning of this conversation of like

889
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 5: the Auto Creek side I went to my car club,

890
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: there's only twenty five of us in it, but we

891
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: would have all these other car clubs that would come

892
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: out and do everything with us. And I really would

893
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: love to like make sure that we like shift more

894
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 5: back into that and get more on the like, hey, come,

895
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: you know, we want you to be a part of this.

896
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 5: We want you to do this, like let's make some

897
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: cool stuff together. Because the broadness of that is to

898
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: me what makes everything has always been the fun part

899
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 5: of Hunigan. And then the other thing I've just been

900
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: enjoying kind of like fully embracing my own weirdness and

901
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: the stuff I like and just dealing with that instead of, like,

902
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 5: I know, you know this, instead of making stuff for

903
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: the audience, making stuff for myself and then hoping that

904
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: an audience shows up, Like I've really leaned back into

905
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: like my Volkswagen roots.

906
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: I enjoy it. I know it's not exactly.

907
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: What everybody in the audience wants, but like it kind

908
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: of makes me happy, and then that that helps me

909
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 5: drive the other creative that makes the audience happy. It's

910
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: this weird thing. You got to do enough stuff that

911
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 5: like you still kind of enjoy that. So I think

912
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: right now, it's an interesting it's an interesting time, And

913
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: a big one of that really is like just looking

914
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 5: at like how everything is shifting and social and the

915
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 5: whole space we're in. We can get into a whole

916
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: conversation of like I kind of think social media is

917
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: ruining the society, but the same time, we all work

918
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: in it as a business, like trying to kind of

919
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: lever and live in between those. And I think you

920
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 5: do obviously know that, you know, and like mental health

921
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: is a big part of like your you know, I

922
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: think your storyline and everything in there, and like, you know,

923
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 5: being the piece on social that's the positive part and

924
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 5: not the negative part. And I think it's like super

925
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 5: important for us in the car industry because like we

926
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: shouldn't be the negative part. We should be the part

927
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: that makes you excited to go build and inspire you

928
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: to do stuff and that make you feel bad about

929
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: yourself kind of thing.

930
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see what comes in your guys'

931
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: next chapter, your next era.

932
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: We could talk forever.

933
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I know, thanks for thanks for having me