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Speaker 1: welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with you.

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Speaker 1: Michael May's with us shadow Cats the Black Panthers of

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Speaker 1: North America. Michael has been investigating sightings of both out

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Speaker 1: of place known animals and those that may or may

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Speaker 1: not exist. Michael is the owner and writer of the

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Speaker 1: Texas Cryptic Hunter blog, serves on the board of directors

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Speaker 1: of the North American would Ape Conservatory. Is the author

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Speaker 1: of Patty, a Sasquatch story and also shadow Cats the

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Speaker 1: Black Panthers of North America. As I just mentioned, Michael,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program, appreciate it. We are are fascinated

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Speaker 1: by cryptozoology and you're right in the middle of it.

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Speaker 1: How did you get rolling into this? Well, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: fifty years old. I grew up kind of in the

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Speaker 1: golden age of of monster programs on TV and through

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Speaker 1: the seventies, programs like In Search of the Mysterious Monsters

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Speaker 1: and movies like The Legend of Boggy Creek and so on.

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Speaker 1: My story in that regards probably not too different than

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Speaker 1: But most people grew out of it. I guess I

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Speaker 1: never did, and I've just been fascinated by the whole

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Speaker 1: something that could be a little more pure normal, Well,

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Speaker 1: it depends on what we're talking about. I suppose if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the black panthers, the large black cats,

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Speaker 1: I believe their flesh and blood animals. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a biological entity or entities behind what people are are seeing. UM.

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Speaker 1: I have seen and not received any reports from any

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Speaker 1: Physical or something else, same same I believe what we're

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Speaker 1: And again for the same reasons. I now there's a

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Speaker 1: lot more information out there from various sources who report

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Speaker 1: don't have any explanation for. I wasn't there, so I

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Speaker 1: would be speculating only. But my experience, the experience of

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Speaker 1: seen any kind of behaviors or experienced anything that didn't

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Speaker 1: feel could be explained. Let's talk first about these black panthers.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Bigfoot in our second half of the show.

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Speaker 1: Here with you, Michael, and people are already calling to

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Speaker 1: talk to you, so it's going to be a busy

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Speaker 1: night for you. But these these black panthers, Now, what

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Speaker 1: large animals. Uh. That certainly limits the possibilities of what

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Speaker 1: But I published a post on black panthers at one

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew you had coyotes out there, you had the

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Speaker 1: occasional mountain lion, you had the occasional panther, black panther,

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Speaker 1: and it was just accepted. Nobody thought anything about it.

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Speaker 1: And um, I was actually in my thirties before I

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Speaker 1: when I tell people back home that now, they're they're

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Speaker 1: ready to fight, you know, they're they're they're you're impugning

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