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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a Batman Kevin I only is

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Speaker 1: here Yahoo Sports Jamal Herring, the former thirty pound champion

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Speaker 1: ESPN broadcaster. Uh, there's a lot of good things I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about in boxing fellows. But like I've

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Speaker 1: had one of those days and recording this on Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and my optimism for Errol Spence Terrence Crawford has never

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Speaker 1: been lower. My optimism for Tank Davis against Ryan Garcia

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Speaker 1: has never been lower. Uh. Like we're just back on

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Speaker 1: hate it. I hate it. I mean, actually, Jamal, we'll

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Speaker 1: put this to you first, Like you had You've been

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Speaker 1: of all this? Like this is this is a fight

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Speaker 1: but it's like one of the most never happened in

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Speaker 1: So it is frustrating, but I hopefully, like I say,

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is that, like guaranteed money, which

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little about women's boxing. The

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Speaker 1: women's boxing card, headlined by Claressa Shields is grudge match

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Speaker 1: with Savannah Marshall, was by all accounts, a smashing success,

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Speaker 1: selling out the O two Arena, drawing an audience of

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Speaker 1: more than two million that according to Sky Sports, this

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Speaker 1: is the second Monster women's headline card this year. Following

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Speaker 1: up the Katie Taylor Amanda Serranto show last April at

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Speaker 1: the Garden, that fight did an audience at one point

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Speaker 1: five million on the zone. Women's boxing is growing fast face,

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Speaker 1: it really is. And this might seem crazy, but you know,

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Speaker 1: could we get to a point in the next few

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Speaker 1: years where the biggest and most compelling fights just in

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Speaker 1: totality per year are being put on by women? Jamal,

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Speaker 1: are we getting Is there a chance we could get

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Speaker 1: into that territory? I mean yeah, I meant most won't.

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Speaker 1: They won't, they won't like it or admit to it.

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Speaker 1: But for the last couple of years, we've we've been

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Speaker 1: seeing that. I mean, look even look back as far

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Speaker 1: as as far Um Sinsa and versus Marlin. That was that.

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Speaker 1: That was that was a head of a good fight.

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Speaker 1: And it was for three and it was three minute

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Speaker 1: round So is the more women actually fight in strife

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Speaker 1: with it? You know for these moments? I believe I

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Speaker 1: believe they'll get them. I mean, even like looking back

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Speaker 1: at that fight, they asked for three minute rounds and

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Speaker 1: and and they and they got three in round. It

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Speaker 1: is actually a very entertaining fight. And like, like you

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Speaker 1: put mentioned when you put in um Serrano, Taylor, Clarissa

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Speaker 1: and Savannah at least at least at least for the

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Speaker 1: most part that in terms of women, they're making the

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Speaker 1: fights that the fans have asked for, and they're not

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of back and forth on social media.

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Speaker 1: Yes they they. I mean we've seen Bumgardner, may Mayor.

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Speaker 1: They did a lot of social media back and forth,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time they still gotten the ringing

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Speaker 1: forth each other in the end. Nowadays, you see a

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Speaker 1: lot especially the one especially in the men's light with division.

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Speaker 1: You see a lot of these guys is constantly talking,

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Speaker 1: but you don't see no pen on paper. Yeah, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: that's a great point. Women consistently make the big fights,

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Speaker 1: unification fights, the fights that we want to see, whereas

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Speaker 1: on the men's side we're often left disappointed. And we

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Speaker 1: look at the depth of talent now from the top

468
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Speaker 1: ranks with Claressa Shields to the were weights with Nieza

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Speaker 1: Strada and everything in between. Um more talents coming like

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Speaker 1: this is the beginning. Look at what it was five

471
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Speaker 1: years ago where it is now. Five years from now,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be even more talented women in the game,

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Speaker 1: and these women are fighting each other, they're doing it

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Speaker 1: off pay per view, and oftentimes they're doing it in

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Speaker 1: and entertaining way. I mean, not every woman is there

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Speaker 1: and they're filling arenas though too, Yes, that's a big

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Speaker 1: thing too. MSG was not here. That's oh I hear.

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Speaker 1: I want to answer you guys by saying, are you

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Speaker 1: fucking crazy? It's gonna be bigger than men? But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it doesn't term in terms of like popularity

481
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Speaker 1: is catching up, because like over the weekend you see

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Speaker 1: here like a lot of people more more excited for

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Speaker 1: the women's card than the two other cards. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: what's your I love the Women's card and I wrote

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Speaker 1: a column after that fight just praising the card and

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Speaker 1: praising what women are doing and I and I give

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Speaker 1: all of them credit. And I mentioned about ten women

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Speaker 1: in the think Jess mccaskell, I mean so many you

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Speaker 1: know of the women fighters. I love the attitude that

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Speaker 1: they have and what they are doing. But to remotely

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Speaker 1: suggest it's ever going to be bigger than men's boxing,

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Speaker 1: no way. And I mean that's like saying the w

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Speaker 1: n b A in a couple of years is gonna

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Speaker 1: overtake the NBA. Right, it's not happening. No, But but Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Kevin the end. The problem is my my argument with

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Speaker 1: you there, and I don't necessarily disagree with you that

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Speaker 1: men's boxing will always have a leg up on women's boxing.

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Speaker 1: But the NBA would never allow the w n b

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Speaker 1: A or give them the opening because the Lakers have

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Speaker 1: to play the Warriors, the Celtics have to play the Knicks,

501
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Speaker 1: like you know, the these matchups are going to consistently

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Speaker 1: happen in the NBA. We get more years like we've

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Speaker 1: had this year, where there have been a handful of

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Speaker 1: quality men's fights, quality men's cards, but too often we're

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Speaker 1: left with a side versus d side, and that's not

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Speaker 1: the kind of matchupl the sport I love, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I love what's going on in boxing now from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint I've written several times in recent months about a

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Speaker 1: golden age of boxing. We have so many great young

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Speaker 1: fighters on both the men's and the women's side. And

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Speaker 1: we didn't mention ern Ennis before. But we'll look at

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Speaker 1: all this nonsense that well to weight and we don't

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Speaker 1: have drawn Ennis and virtual artize fighting, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just a crime these guys. We want to see

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Speaker 1: those guys in big fights and significant fights, and it's

516
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Speaker 1: almost like they have to wait for Spencer Crawford to

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Speaker 1: get their business done until they get their time on.

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Speaker 1: So I love what is going on in boxing, but hey,

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Speaker 1: let's look at women's boxing and what is going on.

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Speaker 1: How many promoters are really committed to women's boxing. I

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Speaker 1: would say to match Room, Eddie Hearn and loud Bella,

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Speaker 1: who else Top Rank Science Sinisa and that was their

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Speaker 1: second woman and they had a call to rather woman

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Speaker 1: to see if it was okay if they signed her right.

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Speaker 1: Top ranking I think is the leading promoter and the

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Speaker 1: sport overall. And I think if Top rank h made

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Speaker 1: a commitment to women, that would be huge. But they

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Speaker 1: have not done that. Um, Golden Boy, you know blew it,

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Speaker 1: you know with their you know, with their women, They're

530
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Speaker 1: not really doing it. There's not this commitment to women

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Speaker 1: from the promoters, and it has to start there. And

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Speaker 1: I love what's going on in women's boxing, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's gives Chlorussia Shields credit. We haven't mentioned her

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Speaker 1: name too much here, but this woman is Look what

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Speaker 1: she's doing going out there and fighting three divisions, winning

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Speaker 1: undisputed what two of them, and unified in the third.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing what she's doing and she's setting

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Speaker 1: the tone for her peers. We don't see that in boxing,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's a long way away from well, hey,

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Speaker 1: Carol gives you saying that, Kevin, But I mean everything

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Speaker 1: said it was correct in terms of um, not enough um.

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Speaker 1: Big parahouses are pushing you know, the the subject here.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, with that being said, when

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Speaker 1: when these women still put on the um, they still

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Speaker 1: make these fights happen. People are still tuning in and

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Speaker 1: in despite the little the little backing that they may have,

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Speaker 1: they still make a huge They still have made a

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Speaker 1: huge impact over this weekend and people are still talking

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Speaker 1: about it. People are looking for a rematch, even between

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Speaker 1: Maya Bumgarner and even Um even others are now from

551
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Speaker 1: when I've seen in my end looking forward to Sneeze

552
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Speaker 1: to try to make it making her return, and she

553
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: alost been out for almost almost a year, but people

554
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Speaker 1: still want to see where she's at, how she looks,

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Speaker 1: and what she can do from here moving forward. So

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Speaker 1: I believe at the end of the day, it starts somewhere,

557
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Speaker 1: And yes it's not where we would love for it

558
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Speaker 1: to it to be, but you gotta start. You have

559
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Speaker 1: to start the foundation somewhere. And I believe that women's

560
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Speaker 1: boxing is heading in the right direction. Well I agree

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Speaker 1: a tecking in the right direction. I the only my

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Speaker 1: only disagreements with Christmas contention about surpassing men's boxing, other

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Speaker 1: than that I would okay, I pointed out that I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to ever eclipse it um, but

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Speaker 1: it will continue to narrow the gap. By the way,

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Speaker 1: with Sinisa Strada returning November what twelve, Uh, you can

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Speaker 1: point out that that fight in Las Vegas, most of

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Speaker 1: the tickets being bought ain't getting bought by Jennebec fans,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Like he ain't selling tickets. The middleweight

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Speaker 1: champion of the world is not selling tickets, uh to

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Speaker 1: that fight, at least one of the middleweight champions of

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Speaker 1: the world. I just like there were three cards last weekend.

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Speaker 1: One was headlined by the undisputed lightweight champion, one was

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Speaker 1: headlined by the former heavyweight champion, and to me, the

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Speaker 1: most interesting fight that weekend was the co main event

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Speaker 1: of the women's card, with MICHAELA. Mayre and Alicia baumb

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Speaker 1: Garner the second most interesting fight. The second most interesting

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Speaker 1: fight was Claressa Shields against Savannah Marshall, like on a

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Speaker 1: weekend where the undisputed lightweight champion was in action and

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Speaker 1: the former heavyweight champion was an action. The most compelling

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Speaker 1: fights to me, that that interested me the most were

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Speaker 1: the two women's fights. I I love them, and I

583
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Speaker 1: sat there. You know what I did on Saturday. This

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Speaker 1: is how much I was into it. I sat down

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Speaker 1: and I watched the women's card. I wrote a recap

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Speaker 1: on bomb Gardner Mayor. I wrote a recap on Shields,

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Speaker 1: uh and Marshall. I wrote a column on women's boxing

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Speaker 1: Shields Marshall. After that fight, I wrote a recap on

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Speaker 1: Devin Haney. I wrote a recap on the UFC which

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Speaker 1: was a women's fight, and then I wrote a recap

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Speaker 1: in a column on Deonte Water. So what was that?

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Speaker 1: Seven stories that I did in a in a little

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Speaker 1: period of time. So I agree with you that that

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Speaker 1: that those women's fights were absolutely worthy of it. And

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Speaker 1: I love what the women are doing, and I think

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Speaker 1: that a I think promoters should invest more money in women.

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Speaker 1: And I do think, as we have discussed, that the

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Speaker 1: fact that the women are having success is going to

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Speaker 1: breed future success for the women. But here's one of

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Speaker 1: the thing, Chris, let me throw this at you and

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Speaker 1: see what you guys think. Like, I think Sinissa strata

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Speaker 1: debut for top rank is a big moment for her

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Speaker 1: and for women's boxing because now a very elite women's

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Speaker 1: boxer is going to join the biggest promotional company in

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Speaker 1: the sport. So why put it on a night when

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Speaker 1: there's a major UFC card, right That is going to

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Speaker 1: be a significant detriment to them in terms of the ratings.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I know we don't have a

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Speaker 1: huge crossover, but I think they should have set uh

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Speaker 1: Sinisa's first fight where she had the stage to herself

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Speaker 1: and and she was the main event. I think if

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Speaker 1: they did that, that was Top Rank showing a commitment

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Speaker 1: to women's boxing and to this fighter in particular, and

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Speaker 1: I think that should have happened. I'll be interest to

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Speaker 1: see what happens next year, because however you want to

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Speaker 1: define it, women's boxing closed the gap a little bit

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Speaker 1: with men still far behind, but it closed the gap

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Speaker 1: a little bit. As we look ahead to next year.

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Speaker 1: I can see women's boxing closing it a little bit

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Speaker 1: more because we're probably going to get Taylor Serrano too.

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Speaker 1: At some point, We're probably going to get uh Alicia

622
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Speaker 1: bamb Gardner unification. Maybe Alicia bomb Gardener against Katie Taylor

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Speaker 1: at some point before the end of the year. Maybe

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00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: we get a rematch between Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall,

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: or we see Claressa shield become this Shield has become

626
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: this like British Slayer and stays over in the UK

627
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: and fights Natasha Jonas, or fights Terry Harper and his

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00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: other one four that have joined the ranks there, Like

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Speaker 1: these are big cards, Kevin, that we can probably count on,

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Speaker 1: whereas in men's boxing, I don't know we can count

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Speaker 1: on next Like can you name one big fight that

632
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Speaker 1: you can count on next year? Besides, if you're usick,

633
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm counting on that's gonna happen those two want to

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Speaker 1: fight each other. But other than that, I can't think

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Speaker 1: think of anything at this point. I'm really disappointed in

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Speaker 1: Fury right, and and why the hell is he fighting

637
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Speaker 1: Derekura terrible fight, He's already destroyed him twice. Now we're

638
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: doing it a third time, and I don't understand what

639
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: what the nonsense he's been doing is he's retired, he's

640
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: under retired, he's putting deadlines on a j putting deadlines

641
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: on Who's sake, and now he comes up with this fight,

642
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: which is a weak fight and who it's a who

643
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: cares fight? Um, So the women, you know, the women

644
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: are totally opts at that. You know, what did CLARESSA

645
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Shield say after the fight, you know, ask because she

646
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: would give Marshall rematch, she says, well, if the public

647
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: wants it, I'll do it. That's the answer. That is

648
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: the answer. And that's what women say all the time.

649
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we're gonna have a lot

650
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: more unification fights. You know, we could have at that

651
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: at that flyway level, we could have you know, a

652
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: junior flyweight and a flyweight you know, on disputed champions

653
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: and fighting each other. Right, I mean that is a

654
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: possibility for the second half of next year. Hey why not?

655
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: You know, why not invest in that and put more

656
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: money in. I think the promoters are the are the

657
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: hold up here. I'd be all for running that whole

658
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: women's boxing card back into traite like do that at

659
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: like Little Caesars Arena or the MGM Grand out there,

660
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: something big and run that whole card back because you've

661
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: got Claressa Alicia. Run it all back. Everybody gets rich,

662
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: everybody's interested once again. UM, I'd be on board with

663
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120
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Speaker 1: I want to get your mail's take on this. This

681
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: wasn't what I wanted to talk about, but Kevin brought

682
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: it up. I really, Kevin, I I couldn't possibly give

683
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: a shit about theory toor like Fury tried to make

684
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: the Usick fight like, so I give him credit for that.

685
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: He tried to make that fight USI was the one

686
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: since I've done for the rest of the year. The

687
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: Joshua fight was never really gonna happen because super fights

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: are not put together in like three weeks that like

689
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna fight. If they do fight, it's gonna be

690
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: in like Abu Dhabi or Jettah for a jillion dollars

691
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: at some point in three like that was obvious. And

692
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: if it's if he's really determined to fight in December,

693
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: like Kevin, Kevin, you asked this first, then Jamal, you

694
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: weigh in like like was he supposed to like fight

695
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Joan Juala or like somebody who was he supposed to fight?

696
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Like if if he's not fighting Derek, just order like

697
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: who would you rather see him in? That makes sense

698
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: understanding this is to stay busy fight and he's not

699
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: gonna take on Joe Joyce before he's gonna face face

700
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Alexander Usik. Well, when when you were setting out that question,

701
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, you you you know, talk about what I

702
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: think the problem with bocking is what what mean? You

703
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: know you said the super fight was um Joshua and

704
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Fury and then Musick was a good fight. Usik is

705
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the freaking and you know, the unified champion, and that's

706
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: not the big fight. And I think that you know,

707
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL, the team

708
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: sports winning counts and and being successful counts, and people

709
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: want to see the teams that win. And in boxing

710
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: it's so much different than that. Hey, yes you have

711
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: to win, but you have to have the personality and

712
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: you have to have that. Again, I I say this, Hey,

713
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: look they were close. Tyson's one manipulating all this stuff. Right.

714
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: All I think that music was saying is I don't

715
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: want to fight this year. But he could have fought

716
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: him in January February, right, could you know, give him

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of a break. But Tyson was being

718
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: a bully. USI had just had a big fight with

719
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Joshua give him a little time off and then he'll

720
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: he'll fight him, or he puts the you know, the deadline. Hey,

721
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: what did m Eddie Hearn and Joshua say? They were

722
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: willing to agree to the terms and get the fight,

723
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: but there's just a little new want to get it done,

724
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: and then they couldn't do it. I just think Tyson

725
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: is to blame, and I think is I'm not sure

726
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: what he was doing with all this craziness. You know,

727
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: he's retired, then he's coming back and he's retired again

728
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and all this. But I think I think the fight

729
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: to make was sick and you didn't have to fight

730
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: December three. I mean, Kevin, you you were spot on

731
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: with that. Um. Honestly, I was just tired with the

732
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: bank of forth between Tyson and his decision for the

733
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: last couple of months of what he was gonna do.

734
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, most of us are already assumed that he

735
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna retired, But when he did come back saying

736
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: that he wanted to fight Um Anthony Joshua, I thought

737
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: it would make sense, especially for British boxing. Um. Obviously

738
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: it would also made better sense to fight a guy

739
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: and Husick who was also you know the unified world

740
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: championship when they could have a undersputed world champion. But

741
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: right now, yeah, nobody wants to see the Sorrow fight.

742
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I don't know. Maybe again, like like like

743
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: Chris said earlier, we just can't predict what's gonna happen

744
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: in the new year because every time we we we

745
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: get that, we get the talk, so we get the

746
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: high hopes of having a big fight. We always we

747
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: also get thrown on something that we totally did. We

748
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask for it at all. I'll tell you what though,

749
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: Jamal like Fury Or will sell out out to arena

750
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. It will like because Or will

751
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: like throw a table at them and like they'll be

752
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: interested in it like before the fight, and like that,

753
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: we'll we'll be people will be talked to having half

754
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: a chance and it'll do a decent pay per view

755
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: by they'll sell it in arena and it's I just

756
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: think it's fine for a fight. The Fury just wants

757
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: to keep keep active in doing and Kevin, I think

758
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna fights like before April. Probably probably do it

759
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: outdoors anyway. If you can do a big crowd, So

760
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: you want to push this, you know, deeper into the

761
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: spring as you can. I just, you know, the consternation

762
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: over this Justora fight is little bit bizarre to me.

763
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: It's it's like they're the the boxing purists out there

764
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: that want to see, like, you know what he gonna do,

765
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: fight Jared Anderson, stay busy, fight like what. He's just

766
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: trying to stay active in the ring. And I have

767
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: no problem with him fighting Alexander USI. All right, one

768
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: more thing for you guys. We mentioned Devin Haney beats

769
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: George Cambos's to Devon's in Amos credit, goes to Australia twice,

770
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: wins the undispeeded championship, makes a whole bunch of money,

771
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: and now he's free to do effectively whatever he wants,

772
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: whether it is vasile Lomachenko or a move two forty pounds.

773
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, what's the way in

774
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: for Haney against uh Campos's Handy's not a hundred and

775
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds like Hanny was bone drawing at that

776
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: way and end he's been Now now he's gonna get

777
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, nudged in the direction of Lomachenko. I know

778
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: that's a fight Haney has wanted for a number of years.

779
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: But what would you do give him? Like you saw

780
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: Haney in the ring, you saw him the day before. Yes,

781
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: he's still a young guy, just twenty three years old.

782
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like Taffia mo Lopez, it's always

783
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: stuck with me. One thing Taffia mo Lopez said in

784
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the loss to Camp Boss was he

785
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: should have dropped the belts and moved up to one

786
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: before then. Now that may have been Monday morning quarterbacking

787
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: because he lost. But if you're Devin Haney, don't you

788
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: have to consider kind of moving up one fight too

789
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: early rather than one fight too late, because if you

790
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: don't come in against Lomachenko, he's gonna carve you. Yeah,

791
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: of course the bad thing um with me. First, I

792
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: would tell um if he does decide the stat a

793
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: hunting thirty five pounds, he definitely need to get a

794
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: nutritions for starters. You can't he can't do it. They

795
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: can't do the old fashioned way he's been doing it

796
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: because obviously, if you look at his way in the

797
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: first came ros his fight to the second one, completely

798
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: different characters, completely different, you know, person stepping on that scale.

799
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: And and you're right, maybe maybe it is typing the movement.

800
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: But if if he really still wants because like I

801
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: said that the cars the cars in his hands, If

802
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: if he really wants to say, hey, hey Bob, I

803
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: want I want this fight, and he has to make

804
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: the smart decision of bringing someone else on his teams

805
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: to help him cut that weight safely, and you know,

806
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: and and naturally. But if if you feel like it

807
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: feel like it's time to move up, then I don't

808
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: think many of are gonna hold them to, you know,

809
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: hold them against the a's trying to move up. Here

810
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: you are, you are a big lightweight. Maybe it's time

811
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: to see was up noing fed hunting pounds Kevin Um.

812
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: It's not like there aren't great options for Haney at

813
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: one forty either. You can argue that one forty is

814
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: one of the deepest divisions in all of boxing. Now

815
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: heavy at the top with Tafimo, Ryan Garcia is there

816
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: at the moment reaches pro Gray those titles. Josh Taylor

817
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: still got one, but that's gonna go at some point

818
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: as well. Uh, it might just make sense for Haye

819
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: to move up, take a medium level fight at one

820
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: four to get used to it, and then summer of three,

821
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: look for that Ta Femo fight, look for that Ryan

822
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: Garcia fight, look for that Progray fight, and start taking

823
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: big fights there. I think Kevin Haney is going to

824
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: be the guy that benefits a lot because he has

825
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: so many options. You know, you look at lightweight. If

826
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: he stays at lightweight, you know you've got Shakour Stevens

827
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: in there. What a fight that would be him and

828
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Shakers Stevenson Loma As you said, Uh, you know, if

829
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: put Tank Davis together, you know, we know but probably

830
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: what happened there, But you know, I'll just throw it

831
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: at that Tank Davis is the biggest straw. But you

832
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: know you know that we know, Uh, there is a

833
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of talent in both divisions, right, so he has

834
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot to pick from. And and hey, I agree

835
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: with what Jamal said. You know, you don't hold it

836
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: against him if he decides you can't make it. And

837
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I also agree Jamal made the perfect point. And I

838
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: think this is probably where he'll go is get a

839
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: nutritious in camp. Have somebody keep him on point, because

840
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: he's a big dude. What does he like five eight

841
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and a half five nine shoulders, pretty road shoulders and everything.

842
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, he's not gonna be a

843
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: lightway for the long term. But if you if you

844
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: can get that big fight, and I think Lomo would

845
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: qualify as a big fight. Even though Lomas maybe not

846
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: what he was a couple of years ago, Loma still

847
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Speaker 1: damn good and uh, that would be a big fight

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Speaker 1: for him to then right off into the sunset. You've

849
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Speaker 1: defended your undisputed title a second time against a really

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00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: good opponent, and you you know, go up to one

851
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: full pretty and you'll be the guy that everybody wants

852
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: to see fight. They'll be calling you out. One will

853
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: be calling him out right. I mean, he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot of options. I think Devin Haney is going

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Speaker 1: to make a lot of money in the next couple

856
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Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, you know, Jamal, and those top rank

857
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Speaker 1: guys love those perfecting athletes people that they love them. Yeah,

858
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: they swear by those perfecting athletes folks. Um, you know, Jamal,

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Speaker 1: you know what I also love about Devin Haney. And

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Speaker 1: I've told him this, like he's he's not aligning himself

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Speaker 1: with anybody, and I mean, look, he started his career

862
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Speaker 1: fighting on Showbox as an independent, he signs that he hearned,

863
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Speaker 1: he makes a whole bunch of money, doesn't get the

864
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Speaker 1: fights he's looking for, so he signs with Top Rank.

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Speaker 1: And now he's got one more fight left with Top Rank.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's against Loma Chenko, maybe it's against Taffia Melopez.

867
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Speaker 1: And then he can make another choice, Like he can

868
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Speaker 1: elect to go back and do a new deal with

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Speaker 1: Top Rank. He can elect to align himself, maybe with

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Speaker 1: Golden Boy, even to try to get a Ryan Garcia fight,

871
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: Like I love that approach. Like this, it's like the

872
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: aproach And Kevin knows this that Sugar Ray Leonard took

873
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: back in the day. Sugar Leonard didn't align himself with anybody.

874
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: He just was like, you know what, I'm gonna take

875
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: the fights I want to take. I mean, too often

876
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: it feels like like the fighters are just so deeply

877
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: loyal two promoters and the reality is like if Devin

878
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Handy had lost to cambosis, Top Rank would have cut him.

879
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: Like it's it's like promoters will just cut you if

880
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: you lose. I mean, I mean you've experienced some of this, Jamale,

881
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, if you lose you all of a sudden,

882
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: You're in a tough situation um with your with your promoter.

883
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: So I love the Devin is operating this way because

884
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: it opens up all the options for himself at multiple

885
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: weight classes. It allows him to go to the location

886
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: or the promoter that will pay you the most amount

887
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: of money, and he will give you opportunities to burnish

888
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: your legacy. I mean, Devin, Devin wants to be a

889
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: pound for pound guy right now. I'm not sure that

890
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: he is, but he can get there because he's got

891
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: the talent and now he can go wherever he wants

892
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: to go and fight those big fights. Agreed, Agreed, Like

893
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: I agreed. I like how he's playing it. Like you said,

894
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: he has he has everything that he wants. And then

895
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: the palm of his hand, Um if he wants to

896
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: move up north for his last fight, and so be it.

897
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: He wins there, he can come back to taim of

898
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: renegotiate with Todd Rank, go back to the tope of

899
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: Eddie Herne again, and like you said, or even people

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00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: go to the boy by the Ryan Garcia fight, because

901
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Garcia is also looking at to make

902
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: a big fight. Because it's it's a it's about that time.

903
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure he's feeling the pressure and he

904
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: needs that, he needs that name on his resident as well. So,

905
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: but Devin Hanny is definitely in a good position not

906
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: only to make the most money but the best fights

907
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: for but his legacy as well. Yeah. I love the

908
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: potential for Devin Haney at one forty and that eventually

909
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Speaker 1: one seven in all the years to come. Kevin Ioli,

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Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports. Uh, Jamal Herring, former hundred thirty pounds champion,

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00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: also ESPN broadcaster, when's your next fight? Jamal doing a

912
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: great job. Next fight? Uh, luckily luckily be on the

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Speaker 1: b ring side against let me take go again Jaman Ortiz. Well,

914
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Speaker 1: last fort but no, I'm actually looking forward, actually looking

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00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: forward to that. I'll be back then, um for the

916
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: and and at the garden, and so I'm actually I'm

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Speaker 1: actually happy to see some live boxing again up close.

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Speaker 1: Well you well, actually, now that we're talking to you,

919
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Speaker 1: do you give Jermaine Ortiz a shot in that fight

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00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: the Pride of Wooster, Massachusetts, by the way, as a

921
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Speaker 1: Boston guy, you know, and I have nothing against our tees, um,

922
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Speaker 1: but I feel like it's never, it's never an easy

923
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Speaker 1: name for anyone against the basiliting lemon Chenko. Um, you

924
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: know you have to you have pretty much almost perfect

925
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: with a guy like that, with a guy like a

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Speaker 1: little Checker, especially if if you look at the mindset

927
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Speaker 1: of it, if a fighter, if let me check a

928
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: looks at it as listen, if I get past Arties,

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Speaker 1: I'll betend you have a shot to become underspeed the

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00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: world champion. Which which was? Which? What he wants? What

931
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: he on? What he crazed for? I believe that little

932
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: lemon check is very dangerous and not taking no for

933
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: an answer coming up. But again he's not the same,

934
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Speaker 1: like you point out, he's not the same lemon Checks

935
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Speaker 1: as it was three years ago in orties as a

936
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Speaker 1: young hungry fighter. So we'll have to wait and see.

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00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: But of course that you have to side with Schenko

938
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Speaker 1: on that night of the fight. Yeah, coming up a

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Speaker 1: long layoff to Lomachenko as he returns from Ukraine to

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Speaker 1: get back into the boxing game. Fellas, great stuff, Good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Thanks for joining me here on

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Speaker 1: the show. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks

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Speaker 1: to Jamal Herring and Kevin Ioli for joining the show

944
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Speaker 1: as always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple podcast, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week.