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Speaker 1: So we're talking Kent and grewa never heard of this
Speaker 1: person before in my life until I started researching this person,
Speaker 1: this man, this legend actually really Yeah, he's especially if
Speaker 1: you spend much time hanging out with Grand Canyon riverfolk,
Speaker 1: you will you will hear stories of Kent and Grua,
Speaker 1: although apparently not from him while he was alive. He's
Speaker 1: supposedly very humble as far as his own accomplishments go.
Speaker 1: But if you if you talk to one of his friends,
Speaker 1: you would probably get some thrilling stories out of them
Speaker 1: because he did some pretty interesting stuff along that Colorado River.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we also want to shout out a book
Speaker 2: that both Anna and we and we used. Kevin Fodarco
Speaker 2: wrote a book called The Emerald Mile about this river run,
Speaker 2: this record breaking timed river run down the Grand Canyon River,
Speaker 2: Colorado River, and I knew the name, and then I
Speaker 2: remember that I watched this great documentary from nat GEO
Speaker 2: called Into the Canyon and Kevin Fodarco was one of
Speaker 2: the guys. He and a guy named Pete McBride hiked
Speaker 2: almost seven hundred and fifty miles from one end of
Speaker 2: the canyon to the other and made this really gorgeous,
Speaker 2: gorgeous documentary so I highly recommend Into the Canyon as
Speaker 2: well as the book The Emerald Mile and Big thanks
Speaker 2: to everything that Kevin Foderco does in terms of raising
Speaker 2: awareness for the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Like, think about that, man, that's so many miles you
Speaker 1: would have to get a new pair of shoes. At
Speaker 1: some point in the middle of that.
Speaker 2: I think they did you have to take they I
Speaker 2: think they bailed on an attempt and then came back
Speaker 2: and did it or something I can't remember, but just
Speaker 2: gorgeous photography and really good stuff. The Grand Canyon is
Speaker 2: just a truly a magical place. If you've never been there,
Speaker 2: just go. It's one of those places that were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen pictures and stuff, but it's one of the
Speaker 2: place one of the few places that where I truly
Speaker 2: understood the meaning of bread taking. Like I actually literally
Speaker 2: got physically short of breath when I first stood there
Speaker 2: on that rim.
Speaker 1: Like you had a panic attack.
Speaker 2: No, it was just truly breathtaking. It's really really just
Speaker 2: you gotta go, you gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Have you been, Yes, I have. I've been to the
Speaker 1: North Rim. I didn't ride a burrow or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I did look down and get to see the
Speaker 1: whole thing from that wooded, forested north Rim. That is
Speaker 1: not like what you think of when you think of
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. It's like just a whole other side
Speaker 1: of it. It's really neat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I did have a panic attack, That's why I couldn't
Speaker 1: breathe because I was looking over into it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm this is I can't do this. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty pretty neat for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been down to the river. My friend
Speaker 2: Brett and I hiked down there's I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how far down it is, but we hiked
Speaker 2: down to there's this one sort of area where you
Speaker 2: can hike down to and hang out for a bit
Speaker 2: if you don't want to go down all the way,
Speaker 2: and then hike back out and young in shape Chuck.
Speaker 2: That hike out was one of the toughest things I've
Speaker 2: ever done.
Speaker 1: Because you're basically just going up right.
Speaker 3: Up, up, up up up up in the heat. Heat. Heat.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So back to Kent and Grua. He was
Speaker 1: somebody who could hike up the sides of the canyon
Speaker 1: up out of it because he did that a lot,
Speaker 1: mostly because he spent a lot, essentially his entire adult
Speaker 1: life in the Grand Canyon along the Colorado River, and
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go see his family or friends
Speaker 1: see a movie, that's what he had to do. He
Speaker 1: had to hike out of the Grand Canyon to go
Speaker 1: do those things. So he was, from every thing I saw,
Speaker 1: extraordinarily fit but also kind of at one with the canyon.
Speaker 1: If anybody could be, he was definitely one of those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. He was born in Salt Lake City
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty and was really big into snow skiing
Speaker 2: until he was twelve years old when his family, because
Speaker 2: of business his father started a trucking company, moved to Vernal, Utah.
Speaker 2: At the time, there was no skiing in Vernal and
Speaker 2: so his dad said, hey, kiddo, you're twelve, you'd love
Speaker 2: to be outdoors in adventure, so let's go on a
Speaker 2: rafting trip. And they went to the Yampa River for
Speaker 2: his birthday and kitt and Grua was like, this is
Speaker 2: where it's at. I love river rafting. So pops bought
Speaker 2: him a army surplus raft and he, as a young kid,
Speaker 2: started taking these little solo rafting trips. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of where he learned how to navigate rivers. Initially he
Speaker 2: got the river bug. He totally got the river bug.
Speaker 1: A few years later, he was going to study mechanical
Speaker 1: engineering at the University of Utah, and during winter break
Speaker 1: of freshman year, he was offered a job working for
Speaker 1: Hatch River Expeditions, river boating outfit along the Colorado River
Speaker 1: in the Grand Canyon. And he said, so long college,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do this. And the job was
Speaker 1: even just patching boats, like it wasn't even as a
Speaker 1: river guide. But that's how much he'd loved spending time
Speaker 1: not just on the river but specifically the Colorado River
Speaker 1: in the Grand Canyon itself. Yeah, but because of his
Speaker 1: natural talent and his just complete passion for the job,
Speaker 1: he became river guide within just a few months of
Speaker 1: his first job there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, so he's now taking an adventuresome tourist through the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon down the river. He got another job after
Speaker 2: that at Grand Canyon Expeditions for a little while and
Speaker 2: met a really important person in his life. There, a
Speaker 2: mentor in some way as far as conservationism god named
Speaker 2: Martin Litton l I T t O N who was
Speaker 2: starting his own company, his own expedition company, and Litton
Speaker 2: was about he was all about just preserving the not
Speaker 2: just the Grand Canyon, but just all of nature, and
Speaker 2: was just sort of ashamed of what humankind had done
Speaker 2: to nature. And in fact, the boat that grewa would
Speaker 2: eventually pilot down the Colorado River for that record breaking run.
Speaker 2: It was called the Emerald Mile. These boats Linton had,
Speaker 2: he would name them after natural wonders that had been
Speaker 2: destroyed by humans as a reminder. And this apparently the
Speaker 2: Emerald Mile was a stretch of old growth redwoods in
Speaker 2: California that were clear cut in the sixties. So he
Speaker 2: named this wooden dory, this boat that you paddle with
Speaker 2: oars after that stretch of redwoods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no Dori in particular. For the most part,
Speaker 1: people at the time, and I think still today, were
Speaker 1: going down the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon on
Speaker 1: these expedition tours in rubber boats like zodiacs, like motorized
Speaker 1: boats that you could bump up against rocks all day
Speaker 1: and they were probably going to be fine.
Speaker 3: That's Some of them were regular boats.
Speaker 1: What do you mean regular like a pontoon.
Speaker 2: No, Like in the early days, they were just like,
Speaker 2: I saw something that looked like old wooden Chris crafts.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, wow, that's kind of cool talk about
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So the dory itself, though, it was originally like a
Speaker 1: fishing boat that Europeans, I think the Portuguese were the
Speaker 1: ones who really kind of perfected it would take out
Speaker 1: on the ocean, so they were like sea worthy row
Speaker 1: boats basically, and they eventually made their way to New
Speaker 1: England where whalers would take them out, and then Martin
Speaker 1: Linton got his hands on them for the Grand Canyon
Speaker 1: because he was just like you you experience the Colorado
Speaker 1: River in a dory in ways that you can't possibly
Speaker 1: in a raft, let alone a motorized draft. So there
Speaker 1: it's like a purposefully old timey antique way of going
Speaker 1: down the Colorado River. And they still use dories today
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, some outfits too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Greua was like, this thing is amazing, because
Speaker 2: you know, he wanted, as we'll see, he really enjoyed
Speaker 2: getting down that river fast and this the dory is
Speaker 2: like they won't obviously, because they're made of wood, they
Speaker 2: won't bounce off a rock like a raft will. But
Speaker 2: they're much more able to be steered, they handle a
Speaker 2: lot better, they're much more I don't know if lithe
Speaker 2: is the right word, but you can motor down that
Speaker 2: river in a dory better than you can in a
Speaker 2: raft if you're into speed and churning.
Speaker 1: Sure, but a lot of the most of the dory
Speaker 1: expeditions use ors their road, right. Oh yeah, So the
Speaker 1: other thing about it that you mentioned is that like
Speaker 1: it won't handle bumping against rocks like a raft will.
Speaker 1: They're much more fragile, much less forgiving than a rubber raft,
Speaker 1: which means you have to be that much more experienced
Speaker 1: and have that much greater ability to take a dory
Speaker 1: down the Colorado River than you would like a raft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, they can get dinged up a
Speaker 2: little as I kind of thought at first, like you
Speaker 2: hit a rock with one of these and you're sinking immediately.
Speaker 1: This explosion catches fire, right.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And I'm sure that can happen. But as as
Speaker 2: you will see, you know they can. They can get
Speaker 2: bumped up a little bit, and you know they're pretty hardy.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, no, for sure, but it's just some
Speaker 1: of those rapids can be pretty rough on the old boat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Grua was in love with dories just like Martin Linton was,
Speaker 1: and he came on Linton's company, Green Canyon Dories and
Speaker 1: began piloting a dory called the Chattahoochie. He did that
Speaker 1: for like ten years down the Colorado River. He made
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred trips, which, by my estimation, that's almost
Speaker 1: half of the days between nineteen sixty nine and nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine. When he made those hundred trips he spent
Speaker 1: on the Colorado River. That's a lot of time on Colorado.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he wanted to do. He could not
Speaker 1: have been happier. He chose this life for himself and
Speaker 1: he just did it. He made it work, and he
Speaker 1: became an expert on the Colorado River as it runs
Speaker 1: through the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 3: Totally like reading this, I got very jealous of his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was looking at some of the dory expeditions
Speaker 1: they have and I was like, man, that's amazing. Then
Speaker 1: it's like eighteen days. I said, no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do that. Like, are there helicopters that you can
Speaker 1: lower in and do a couple of days and then
Speaker 1: come out. No, there's not apparently.
Speaker 2: Well sadly, there are helicopter trips that they will take
Speaker 2: you down and land you on a big plateau. That's
Speaker 2: one of the things I learned from that documentary that
Speaker 2: Fiderco was in was they were trying to raise awareness
Speaker 2: for these you know, they were trying to build some
Speaker 2: big like hotel basically like halfway down the canyon, and
Speaker 2: all these people were fighting it, seeing like you can't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: You can't turn this into.
Speaker 2: A place where people can get rich, people can get
Speaker 2: helicoptered in and stay in a five star resort.
Speaker 3: Like no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 1: First of all, I felt like a jackass before. Now
Speaker 1: I really feel like a jackass.
Speaker 2: But some of you were talking about getting dropped off
Speaker 2: to Row. Sure, like ziplining out like a ranger.
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean like walking down from a resort
Speaker 1: to go row for a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's as pretty good.
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 1: Kind of upshot of what you're saying is a good
Speaker 1: analogy from what I understand. To compare rafting or boating
Speaker 1: down the Colorado River these days would be like going
Speaker 1: on an expedition to Everest. It is nothing like it
Speaker 1: used to be. Yeah, even twenty thirty, forty years ago,
Speaker 1: it's just gotten so much easier. There's so much money
Speaker 1: being thrown at this now, it's just not even a
Speaker 1: challenge any longer. It's like a posh vacation for people
Speaker 1: who like to act like their adventurers. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to climb Everest, so I can't
Speaker 1: really be critical, but I'm saying comparing it to how
Speaker 1: it originally started, when these outfits were first created in
Speaker 1: like the forties, fifties, sixties, it's just nothing like that today.
Speaker 1: It's far more commercialized, I guess, is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the meme how it started, how it's
Speaker 2: going to be a person like bleeding from the head
Speaker 2: and spitting a river water out of their mouth, and
Speaker 2: then another one with a dude holding a martini as
Speaker 2: he goes down the river.
Speaker 3: Exactly, all right, I said.
Speaker 2: We took a break, oh yeah, and we come back
Speaker 2: and we talk a little bit more about Kenton Grua
Speaker 2: the man. All right, as promised, We're going to tell
Speaker 2: you a little bit more about the personality of Kent
Speaker 2: and Grua. He was quite an adventurer like you said
Speaker 2: was just in love with nature, and in particular the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon in that river. His nickname was the Factor.
Speaker 2: If you ever read anything you're going to see him,
Speaker 2: probably called Kenton the Factor Grua and that was because
Speaker 2: apparently he was just like this larger than life personality
Speaker 2: and like anytime he was a part of something he
Speaker 2: had some sort of influence on it, he was a factor,
Speaker 2: and thus the Factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll put he was also very fond of pot
Speaker 1: and drinking liquor while he was working on the trail
Speaker 1: and after, I guess after rowing for the day, sitting
Speaker 1: on a beach, Yeah, you'd probably light up what one
Speaker 1: might call it.
Speaker 3: Split back then might be a doobie for sure.
Speaker 1: And I'll bet it just gave you a headache instantly.
Speaker 1: But he also is a little kind of fashion conscious,
Speaker 1: you can say. Anna points out that he would wear
Speaker 1: cutoff levies that look cool, especially if you're barefoot and
Speaker 1: you have long hair in your stone. But if you're
Speaker 1: like falling the water, it takes like a week for
Speaker 1: those things to dry out. So long story short, Kent
Speaker 1: and Gruel was very frequently chafed on the inside of
Speaker 1: his thighs.
Speaker 3: Right he was not at all man.
Speaker 2: He was five foot six, but you know, had an
Speaker 2: outsized personality and sense of adventure. I guess there was
Speaker 2: one story that he was on one expedition and they
Speaker 2: drank all the booze, so he hiked all the way
Speaker 2: out of the Grand Canyon to go get more booze,
Speaker 2: hike back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just one story about Kent and grew, but
Speaker 1: it definitely drives the point home. Like he liked booze,
Speaker 1: but he was also willing to physically exert himself at
Speaker 1: the drop of a hat. So he was a tough
Speaker 1: dude essentially, But he was also supposedly really kind and
Speaker 1: gentle with the tourists that he took down the river. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was well known for that. But he was also
Speaker 1: known for being very opinionated about how the river should
Speaker 1: be navigated, how an expedition should be run, and so
Speaker 1: he would be more than likely to butt heads with
Speaker 1: some of the other river guides that he worked with,
Speaker 1: but that didn't rub off toward the passengers, which I
Speaker 1: think makes him a pro.
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, absolutely, And you know we're going to
Speaker 2: build up sort of story wise to the record breaking
Speaker 2: river run. But he did some pretty remarkable things before that,
Speaker 2: one of which was to hike the entire length of
Speaker 2: the Grand Canon from Lee's Ferry to Grand Wash Cliffs.
Speaker 2: He read a book in nineteen sixty eight that was
Speaker 2: a backpacker named Colin Fletcher who did that hike, well
Speaker 2: sort of, we'll see the man who walked through Time
Speaker 2: was the book and he said, I'm the first person
Speaker 2: to hike the entire link of the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 3: And Grew was like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 2: You hiked the canyon within the National Park System. But buddy,
Speaker 2: that ain't all of the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: The guy went, what.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to do it? And he did.
Speaker 2: He tried a couple of times, he tried the first time,
Speaker 2: and you know, this is two hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 2: miles as the crow flies. Yeah, like I mentioned before,
Speaker 2: when Faderka did it, they hiked seven hundred and fifty miles.
Speaker 2: Because you can't just walk a straight line, there's things
Speaker 2: you just can't navigate around, so you're having to hike,
Speaker 2: you know, three times as much or at least two
Speaker 2: and a half times as much as the length of
Speaker 2: the canyon to complete that high.
Speaker 1: That's a nuts and he did it first time he
Speaker 1: tried it. Remember I said he liked to run around
Speaker 1: barefoot and cut off Levi's oh, yeah, well this he
Speaker 1: realized he was going on a very long hike, so
Speaker 1: he went to the trouble of buying himself some leather
Speaker 1: moccasins to hi kid. Those lasted very short time before
Speaker 1: he started wearing through them and actually cut his foot
Speaker 1: on a cactus started to get infected. He's like, I
Speaker 1: should probably stop now.
Speaker 2: That surprised me that he would. I mean, that's a mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he knew that that wasn't going to work.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that that's true. Like he
Speaker 1: was capable of making mistakes, for sure. He's also capable
Speaker 1: of evolving his opinions and understandings about things. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't so dumb that he kept going until he died, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that was nineteen seventy two, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: four years later, he's like, I'm going to do this different.
Speaker 1: I'm going to not only wear work boots instead of moccasins. Smart,
Speaker 1: move out of the gate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He scouted the whole route in advanced and supply caches
Speaker 1: along the route, so that he could travel as light
Speaker 1: as possible, and that's when he set out that second time,
Speaker 1: and that's when he was successful. Hiking almost six hundred
Speaker 1: miles is the route that he took.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is amazing. I think he if you average
Speaker 2: it out, he was averaging like almost seventeen mile a
Speaker 2: day clip, which is super fast. I mean, when I've
Speaker 2: done hikes and I'm really hauling it, if I get
Speaker 2: ten miles in a day, that's like a really long,
Speaker 2: hard day. And he was in the Grand Canyon, arduous
Speaker 2: conditions in the seventies when gear was not like it
Speaker 2: is now and averaging close to seventeen miles a day,
Speaker 2: which is nuts. It took him thirty six days to
Speaker 2: complete the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I can barely get seventeen miles in a day in
Speaker 1: a helicopter, let alone hiking. So yeah, thirty six days
Speaker 1: to hike almost six hundred miles. And this is again
Speaker 1: it's not a straight line flat like there's up and
Speaker 1: down and over and it's what he did was very significant,
Speaker 1: and he became the first person on record at least
Speaker 1: to have hiked the entire length of the Grand Canyon,
Speaker 1: not just the National Park, the whole Grand Canyon. And
Speaker 1: so whenever you're hearing about people boating through the Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon on the Colorado River, what they're talking about is
Speaker 1: that same length, the whole geographical Grand Canyon from Lee's
Speaker 1: Ferry to Grand Wash cliffs.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk a little bit about that
Speaker 2: river run that you just described. You know, from point
Speaker 2: to point. The very first expedition down that Colorado River
Speaker 2: was by a guy, a Civil War veteran with one arm,
Speaker 2: named John Wesley Powell in eighteen sixty nine. It took
Speaker 2: ninety eight days at that point and pretty much wrecked
Speaker 2: the crew. I mean it was by the time they
Speaker 2: got there, they were starving. Was it was a very
Speaker 2: very tough ride in eighteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Can I just say one thing about that expedition, Chuck? Sure,
Speaker 1: Three of them, three members of the expedition said nuts
Speaker 1: to this, like we're giving up, and set off on
Speaker 1: foot and we're never heard from again. And they left
Speaker 1: two days before this expedition finally reached its destination. They
Speaker 1: just didn't know that they were that close to the end,
Speaker 1: and they left and died. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were the first Europeans on record to
Speaker 1: have circumnavigated the Colorado River through the entire Grand Canyon,
Speaker 1: and it was a big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the old mine in apocalypse Now. Never
Speaker 2: never get off the gd.
Speaker 1: Boat, right, the gosh darn boat.
Speaker 3: In the case of apocalypse. Now, it's because there might
Speaker 3: be a tiger in the jungle.
Speaker 1: Right. So I saw also that this was considered the
Speaker 1: last voyage of discovery in North America. It was a
Speaker 1: big deal that John Wesley Powllin is his grew did this.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen forty nine there was a guy named
Speaker 2: Ed Hudson who was a pharmacist who made a run
Speaker 2: in a motor boat. So it was obviously the fastest
Speaker 2: at the time at five days and ten minutes. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, motor boats and regular boats
Speaker 2: started attempting these speed runs. People are trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: break previous records. You know, depending on how adventurous you were.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on whether or not you want
Speaker 2: to use some motor But obviously the berets are off
Speaker 2: to the people who didn't use the motor. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure it was still hard but it ain't like paddling,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: No, Ed Hudson, a pharmacist in nineteen forty nine, he
Speaker 1: did it in like five days and ten minutes using
Speaker 1: a motor boat. Jim and Bob Rigg I think two
Speaker 1: years later, said nuts to the motor boat. We're going
Speaker 1: to not only go down the same path that John
Speaker 1: Wesley Powell did in eighteen sixty nine that nearly killed
Speaker 1: him without a motor we're going to break Ed Hudson's
Speaker 1: motor based record.
Speaker 3: And they did actually, yeah, fifty two hours.
Speaker 2: And this was at a time in the fifties when
Speaker 2: like a tourist trip, that same tourist trip and a
Speaker 2: non motorized boat would be about three weeks. And of
Speaker 2: course they're not trying to break a record, they're trying
Speaker 2: to show everyone a nice, good time, right exactly, probably
Speaker 2: fairly relaxing, so it's not yeah, but some people did
Speaker 2: like the slow train. The longest attempt was in seventy three,
Speaker 2: and that took one hundred and three days. That's a
Speaker 2: little more of my speed, I think.
Speaker 1: So we need to say something about the Colorado River.
Speaker 1: As Kent and Grua knew it. He came along in
Speaker 1: what was it, nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred years exactly after John Wesley Powell Kent and
Speaker 1: Grewa came along and took up life on the Colorado
Speaker 1: River through the Grand Canyon. But unfortunately for Kent Grewa,
Speaker 1: that was six years after the I think the Department
Speaker 1: of the Interior created the Glen Canyon Dam, yeah, upstream
Speaker 1: of the Grand Canyon in uh on the Colorado River,
Speaker 1: and the Colorado River was tamed. That's the best way
Speaker 1: to put it. It was up to the I think
Speaker 1: the Army Corps of Engineers or whoever runs the dam
Speaker 1: there at Glen Canyon to decide how much water the
Speaker 1: Colorado River had. And before that it had been considered
Speaker 1: the wildest river in America because the snow melt from
Speaker 1: the mountains upstream. Depending on how how much it snowed
Speaker 1: that year, and then how how much, how high the
Speaker 1: temperatures rose, and how quickly they did that spring, that
Speaker 1: river could turn wild in an instant because so much
Speaker 1: water would come down from the mountains and it would
Speaker 1: just flood the Colorado River, including some of the side canyons,
Speaker 1: and it would make it nuts. And Kent and Grua
Speaker 1: he knew this too, came along after that ceased, and
Speaker 1: so now the Colorado was relatively mild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if you're going to go down a river
Speaker 2: and you want to see how you know, challenging it
Speaker 2: might be as a rower, You're going to look at
Speaker 2: what's called the gradient in feet per mile, And obviously
Speaker 2: the higher the gradient, the more you know, the faster
Speaker 2: that water's going to be. A pretty wild river can
Speaker 2: have a gradient between twenty five and sixty feet per mile.
Speaker 2: The Colorado River has a gradient of eight feet per mile.
Speaker 2: So the actual you know, the where the river sits
Speaker 2: and the land beneath that river, that gradient isn't too crazy.
Speaker 2: It is the steepness of the sides of that canyon
Speaker 2: is what makes it crazy. Because, like you said, when
Speaker 2: that stuff flash floods and it hits the Colorado River,
Speaker 2: it can move boulders, it can create you know, waves,
Speaker 2: and when that water hits the still water, it can
Speaker 2: create a wave like twenty to thirty feet high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure in a river. Yeah. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons why stuff like that happens is because all that
Speaker 1: debris and boulder create these natural dams on either side
Speaker 1: of the river, narrowing the channel, speeding up the water,
Speaker 1: and once you have fast water running into slow water,
Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy stuff happens. So speaking, geographically, the
Speaker 1: Colorado River shouldn't have rapids, but because of its situation
Speaker 1: in that stretch of the Grand Canyon, it does. It
Speaker 1: has some pretty cool rapids. And Kent and Gruin knew
Speaker 1: how to do this, Like his job was to take
Speaker 1: people through these rapids down this stream. But again the
Speaker 1: river that he was on was not the same river
Speaker 1: that John Wesley Powell had been on because of the dam.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, So you.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about the first the first attempt in nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eighty, Yeah, I mean successful. A tip makes it sounds
Speaker 2: like he didn't do it. He actually did set a
Speaker 2: speed record in nineteen eighty I think how fast was
Speaker 2: that one?
Speaker 1: He did him forty six hours in fifty six minutes.
Speaker 1: He beat Jim and Bob Riggs nineteen fifty one record,
Speaker 1: which it stood for almost thirty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he breaks the record and you would think,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people would say like, all right,
Speaker 2: I did what I attempted to do, broke that record,
Speaker 2: But Kit and grew It was like man that river
Speaker 2: was was not fast that day, a couple of days,
Speaker 2: and I can do this a lot faster. And he
Speaker 2: became sort of I don't know about obsessed, if that's
Speaker 2: the right word. I don't know if someone who smoked
Speaker 2: that much weed can then get that obsessed or worked
Speaker 2: up about anything. But he said, I know I can
Speaker 2: do this if that like, it doesn't matter how fast
Speaker 2: I'm rowing. Unless I have a faster river just from
Speaker 2: the natural conditions, then I can't break that record. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait until the conditions are right. And that
Speaker 2: happened in nineteen eighty three because of El Nino. It
Speaker 2: was at the time, at least the most extreme El
Speaker 2: Nino that had happened to that point. Caused a ton
Speaker 2: of snow. All that snow melts at some point, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're gonna have flooding such that
Speaker 2: if you're measuring like a river flow, you measure it
Speaker 2: in cubic feet per second. The Colorado River through the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon averages about twelve thousand to fifteen thousand cubic
Speaker 2: feet per second, and that summer that June specifically, I
Speaker 2: saw anywhere from between seventy thousand and one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: cubic feet per second, which is, you know, up seven
Speaker 2: to ten times as fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a lot more water. Number one, it
Speaker 1: goes a lot faster, and it changes the river. Like
Speaker 1: the river that he was used to, the rapids, he
Speaker 1: was used to the features that he had to circumnavigate
Speaker 1: during a normal boating trip down the Colorado. It was
Speaker 1: not there. They were different. They were altered by this
Speaker 1: huge influx of very fast moving water. And so what
Speaker 1: had happened is Kevin Fudarco points out in the Emerald
Speaker 1: Mile that for the first time, probably for the only
Speaker 1: time in his lifetime, Kent and Grua had a chance
Speaker 1: to take on the Colorado River, the same river that
Speaker 1: John Wesley Powell took on in eighteen sixty nine. This
Speaker 1: stuff did not happen. It caught the corp of engineers
Speaker 1: by surprise, so much so that they to keep the
Speaker 1: Lake Powell from topping over the Glen Canyon Dam, they
Speaker 1: were putting up plywood barriers. That's how unprepared they were
Speaker 1: for this incredibly historic flooding. I think there was like
Speaker 1: twenty six hundred miles of shoreline in Lake Powell. The
Speaker 1: reservoir that's behind the dam, and the reservoir was rising
Speaker 1: a foot a day, that's how much snow melt was
Speaker 1: coming down, And so they were just releasing. According to
Speaker 1: Arizona Central, up to a million cubic feet per second
Speaker 1: in a release at a time. So this was flooding
Speaker 1: the Colorado downstream. But it's the only option they had
Speaker 1: to keep the dam from breaking or from being toppled,
Speaker 1: and you know, the water coming out of control. So
Speaker 1: it was a wild river again all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like it happened before. And Kent and Grew was all
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: He was all about it.
Speaker 2: So I say, we took a break and then we'll
Speaker 2: come back and let everyone know what happened on June
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Kent and Grew says, it's time. Like that
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty record that I broke that I'm not very
Speaker 1: happy with, I'm now going to break that record. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take this river like I know it can
Speaker 1: be taken. And he went to his friend Rudy Petschek,
Speaker 1: who was at the time forty nine. Kenton would have
Speaker 1: been thirty three. Yeah, So Rudy Petchik was like old
Speaker 1: and then Steve Wren Reynolds was the other guy that
Speaker 1: they they brought on. So the three of them decided
Speaker 1: that they were going to take the Emerald Mile out
Speaker 1: onto the Colorado River. And they was by the way,
Speaker 1: okay Ren, Yeah, okay. And they went to the Park
Speaker 1: Service and said, hey, we'd like a permit. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take the Emerald Mile down the Colorado River. It's nuts
Speaker 1: right now, isn't it. And the Park Service said, no,
Speaker 1: you're not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to get a permit to do something
Speaker 2: like that. They said, no, Like you said, they were
Speaker 2: trying to send people, trying to keep people off the river,
Speaker 2: and as we'll see you later on. They even had
Speaker 2: a ranger stationed on the river. I guess it was
Speaker 2: Benjamin Bratt probably telling people to get out. What you
Speaker 2: never saw the River wild.
Speaker 1: No, is that the one with Bruce Willis where he's
Speaker 1: a cop in a boat.
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: River Wilde was Meryl Streep and David Stratham, Kevin Bacon
Speaker 2: and John c Riley.
Speaker 1: Isn't Kevin Bacon like a crazy homicidal serial killer is
Speaker 1: stalking these guys?
Speaker 3: Not a serial killer. He's a bad guy. Though. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a really good movie. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2: But Benjamin Bratt is a ranger that literally does what
Speaker 2: this other ranger did is like stationed down before the
Speaker 2: bad rapid saying get out.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: I just want to shout out my favorite Benjamin Bratt
Speaker 1: fact that he was born on Alcatraz during the American
Speaker 1: Indian Movement's occupation of Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: Did we talk about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in our Alcatraz episode?
Speaker 3: And did not remember that?
Speaker 1: Well? Also talk about it in our forthcoming Benjamin Bratt episode.
Speaker 3: We haven't done one on Alcatraz, have we?
Speaker 1: Yes? Dude, you sure? I believe we did one on
Speaker 1: Alcatraz itself. And the escape from.
Speaker 3: Alcatraz, Yeah, I do remember escape from Alcatress.
Speaker 1: That escape from Alcatraz one, by the way, was a
Speaker 1: good one, all right.
Speaker 2: So he doesn't get the permit, so he goes back
Speaker 2: to Martin Litton, his mentor, and he says, hey, man,
Speaker 2: you got a lot of pull around here. I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if you could help me out, And Linton said, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll call up the Grand Canyon National Park superintendent himself,
Speaker 2: Richard Marx ks not X. Did we gonna make it
Speaker 2: Richard Marx to it?
Speaker 1: No, I just thought it would if it had been
Speaker 1: b Richard Marx, like in his life, right before he.
Speaker 2: Hit it big, right, and he said, he said, you
Speaker 2: know what, it don't mean nothing. And he went, hey,
Speaker 2: that's got a nice ring to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, sign on the dotted line.
Speaker 3: That's a good song, it is. And so Mark said,
Speaker 3: all right, here's what I'll do.
Speaker 2: I will call up the rangers out there on the
Speaker 2: river tomorrow and I'll get back to you. He didn't
Speaker 2: get back to them, and so Litton and Grewubo said,
Speaker 2: I guess that means we have permission, right, right, And
Speaker 2: so they took off on June twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eleven pm they took off. I guess under the
Speaker 1: cover of darkness. Maybe that's the only reason I can
Speaker 1: think of that they took off so late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe they just timed it so they've finished
Speaker 2: at a certain time, or I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know either, but they did take off just
Speaker 1: before midnight.
Speaker 3: That to heat.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's a great one. Yeah, maybe, I don't know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the fact is this, they were paddling for hours in
Speaker 1: pitch darkness because the canyons, the canyon walls of the
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon can prevent the sunlight from hitting inside the
Speaker 1: canyon at the river level during the day. This was nighttime,
Speaker 1: and so the canyon walls were preventing any moonlight from
Speaker 1: even getting down. So they were rafting on a river
Speaker 1: that was flowing at about ten times its normal rate,
Speaker 1: if not more, in the dark without the benefit of
Speaker 1: using their eyes. So they were having to like literally
Speaker 1: feel the vibrations in the oars to tell what was
Speaker 1: coming up in which way they should go during this
Speaker 1: nighttime paddling event that they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean to be sure, these were some
Speaker 2: of the most experienced people to undertake something like this,
Speaker 2: but that is still like it just can't be overstated
Speaker 2: what a accomplishment this was.
Speaker 3: Just to make it through that first night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially doing it stoned wearing nothing but cut off levs.
Speaker 3: So they would paddle.
Speaker 2: There were, like I said, three of them, so they
Speaker 2: would paddle for about fifteen to twenty minutes at a
Speaker 2: time because it's really rigorous, tough stuff that they're doing.
Speaker 2: I grew up, went up first and paddled first, and
Speaker 2: they would switch off when they would get tired. They
Speaker 2: would rest take little cat naps when they could when
Speaker 2: they weren't paddling, obviously, and things were going pretty good
Speaker 2: for the first few hours, and then they reached a
Speaker 2: series of rapids called the Roaring twenties. That is really
Speaker 2: tough in particular with all this water, because there's something
Speaker 2: in rivers called I would assume people know what and
Speaker 2: eddie is, but you might not. Eddie is like a
Speaker 2: very calm part of a river, usually off to the
Speaker 2: side where the water is flowing back upstream and like
Speaker 2: avoid in the current. Usually it's like blocked by a
Speaker 2: big rock or something, and it's a good place. Usually
Speaker 2: that's where if you want to pull off and you
Speaker 2: get out of the boat and get on land, you'll
Speaker 2: pull off to a nice little calm eddie. But you
Speaker 2: can also have an area where the eddie meets the rapids,
Speaker 2: and that's called an eddie fence. I saw it described
Speaker 2: as confused water. It doesn't really know which way to go,
Speaker 2: so it's going everywhere at once, and it's just really
Speaker 2: really unstable water. And these eddy fences were all over
Speaker 2: the place, just like not crushing literally but just like
Speaker 2: wreaking havoc on their boat in this trip they were taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the water, the boat's going the direction of
Speaker 1: the water, and if the water all of a sudden
Speaker 1: is going multiple directions, that gets telegraphed to the boat
Speaker 1: and it makes it very difficult to move around, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But they did get through that part, obviously they did.
Speaker 1: And again they're going through the roaring twenties at night
Speaker 1: in pitch darkness. JUSTI I just really want to make
Speaker 1: sure everybody keeps this in mind. The other thing is
Speaker 1: is they were taking these rapids wide open. They weren't
Speaker 1: stopping to scout what was ahead and then getting back
Speaker 1: in the boat and then taking it with full knowledge
Speaker 1: of what was coming up. They just took it as
Speaker 1: it came, essentially, Yeah, which is again really nuts considering
Speaker 1: that this was not the river that they were used to.
Speaker 1: It was the wild, raging version of the river that
Speaker 1: they were used. It was like the Colorado on bath salts. Basically,
Speaker 1: that's what they were taking on in the dark without
Speaker 1: the benefit of eyesight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think steroids is ever used bath salts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you really want to drive the point home,
Speaker 1: use bath salts. No, don't actually use basalts. I meant
Speaker 1: in your analogy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get through this on you know, experience, on instinct,
Speaker 2: like you said, feeling their way. The sun finally comes up.
Speaker 2: They're flying down this river. They're going through, you know,
Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy rapids, the huge whirlpools, these big
Speaker 2: standing waves that talked about that you know, got up
Speaker 2: to twenty feet. I think one of the guys even
Speaker 2: said pet Chick said some of them were like three
Speaker 2: stories high. Yeah, at times. And they finally get to
Speaker 2: Crystal Rapid, which is at mile ninety eight, and they
Speaker 2: were worn out, like super super tired obviously. And that
Speaker 2: is where Benjamin Bratt was stationed. Yeah, park ranger Benjamin Bratt,
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, you shouldn't be paddling through here.
Speaker 2: And also I was born on Alcatraz.
Speaker 1: That's a great Benjamin Bratt in person.
Speaker 2: Uh No, he was stationed there to get if there
Speaker 2: were any tourist boats that you know, had somehow already
Speaker 2: been on the water, which they shouldn't have been to
Speaker 2: begin with, because they were denying permits.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't understand that part, you know.
Speaker 2: I guess they were just there were some already out there,
Speaker 2: maybe because especially if some of them were taking three weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh got, they didn't want to ruin people's vacation.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but they were Basically he was there basically to say, hey,
Speaker 2: pull over, all of you tourists, get out and hike
Speaker 2: out and boat captain and whoever else you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to take this thing down the rest of the way,
Speaker 2: like by yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you don't like company because ts for you.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's right. But what happened with this group.
Speaker 1: So they didn't what. One of the things that caused
Speaker 1: Benjamin Bratt to be stationed there was that a commercial
Speaker 1: rafting outfit had gotten overturned. One of the boats had
Speaker 1: been overturned at this under normal circumstances, very tough rapid
Speaker 1: called crystal rapids, and one person had died. I believe
Speaker 1: a passenger had died. This happened like eleven hours before
Speaker 1: the Kent and Grew and his group came along in
Speaker 1: the Emerald Mile. They were totally out of contact with everybody,
Speaker 1: so they had no idea this happened. And so the
Speaker 1: reason Benjamin Bratt was there was because it was so
Speaker 1: dangerous what they were coming up on that. Literally, their
Speaker 1: lives were in danger. So when they came upon the
Speaker 1: park ranger, Benjamin Bratt, they pretended they didn't see him.
Speaker 1: What was cool is.
Speaker 3: Look over there on the right, guys.
Speaker 1: Exactly what was cool about it is that this park
Speaker 1: ranger had been a river guide himself. He immediately recognized
Speaker 1: two was in this boat, and he pretended he didn't
Speaker 1: see them. Yeah, so that everybody could just kind of
Speaker 1: go their own way and just pretend like they hadn't
Speaker 1: seen one another, and these guys could continue on because
Speaker 1: he said he knew immediately what they were doing because
Speaker 1: of the river conditions, so he just let him go
Speaker 1: their way. He kept an eye on them as they
Speaker 1: went further along, though, and hit that crystal rapid and
Speaker 1: he witnessed their boat being overturned very violently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when they hit one of those the
Speaker 2: one that Petchick said was two to three stories high,
Speaker 2: fliped that thing at the top. Everyone ends up in
Speaker 2: the water. Kent and Greua was pretty okay and Petchick
Speaker 2: was pretty okay. The boat got banged up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it lost some of its bowel post, a
Speaker 2: chunk out of the stern but it was still very
Speaker 2: much operational, and Reynolds was injured. I think there was
Speaker 2: a head injury, and as a result, he did not
Speaker 2: do a lot of at least tough rowing after that,
Speaker 2: he did anything at all. I figure he'd be like
Speaker 2: Burt Reynolds in Deliverance at that point, just sort of
Speaker 2: laying down in the middle of the canoe. But he
Speaker 2: apparently would row some calmer parts. And I guess take
Speaker 2: that with a grain of salts, because I don't think
Speaker 2: any of it was very calm and grew and Petchick said,
Speaker 2: all right, it's the two of us basically doing the tough,
Speaker 2: tough rowing in one hundred degree heat, and it was.
Speaker 2: It was real tough stuff from that point on. It
Speaker 2: was already tough, but it was really really tough. But
Speaker 2: they decided not to quit.
Speaker 1: No, they didn't, and that's really significant because again their
Speaker 1: boat overturned. They Reynolds was injured, they were thrown out
Speaker 1: of the boat violently into a whirlpool, got sucked under.
Speaker 1: All three of them miraculously got free and then they
Speaker 1: had to turn the boat back over upright again get
Speaker 1: back in it. Totally exhausted at this point and decided
Speaker 1: to continue on. They did that was just absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: Problem is is they knew the park ranger had seen them,
Speaker 1: and so they were kind of all worried about possibly
Speaker 1: losing their river guide licenses because again, this was a
Speaker 1: wildcat river run. It was not sanctioned, it was technically illegal.
Speaker 1: But they continued on. They said, we've made it this far,
Speaker 1: and they kept going and gave themselves I guess a
Speaker 1: period where they're like, okay, this is not working anymore.
Speaker 1: We're all too exhausted. We need to take some rest.
Speaker 1: Let's just take an hour and we'll all get some sleep,
Speaker 1: and then we'll wake up and be refreshed and it'll
Speaker 1: be like starting over again and new.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course what happens is they sleep for three hours,
Speaker 2: almost woke up in a panic because they had just
Speaker 2: you know, almost killed themselves. They're exhausted, and now they're
Speaker 2: thinking like, now we've jeopardized this record that we're trying
Speaker 2: to get. We don't know if the river will ever
Speaker 2: be this fast again, right, and here we slept for
Speaker 2: three hours. So instead of taking their ball and going home,
Speaker 2: taking their ore and going home, they said, now we
Speaker 2: got to go extra fast. So at mile two thirty nine,
Speaker 2: they get out another set of ores and someone said,
Speaker 2: where did those even come from? And Grewa said, they
Speaker 2: were at our feet the whole time. Dumb, dumb, And
Speaker 2: they started rowing two at a time, so they were
Speaker 2: hauling but rowing together, which obviously, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that probably doesn't double your speed, but you're
Speaker 2: you're going much faster at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was They woke up at I guess
Speaker 1: about one, because they took that rest at ten and
Speaker 1: accidentally slept for three hours, so actually, yeah one, I
Speaker 1: had to count it out on my fingers for a second.
Speaker 1: And then they kept rowing and they another ten hours
Speaker 1: later they finally reached the end, so that like they
Speaker 1: had just been exerting themselves almost constantly for thirty six
Speaker 1: hours and thirty eight minutes. That's what their final time
Speaker 1: ended up being. So they just destroy Grewa's previous record
Speaker 1: setting run thanks to the river being so nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it. The three of them did it
Speaker 2: rather and he did not lose his license. He was
Speaker 2: worried about that, so that's the good news. Apparently he
Speaker 2: got a five hundred dollars fine, which he couldn't even pay,
Speaker 2: so his lawyer negotiated community service, which he may or
Speaker 2: may not have even done. And like you said, at
Speaker 2: the very beginning of this, he wasn't a big braggart
Speaker 2: about his own accomplishments. They kind of spoke for themselves
Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, for sure, So he didn't really you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like he started making the talk show circuit
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But of course word was going
Speaker 2: to get out people talk, and he you know, he
Speaker 2: will always remain a legend of the Grand Canyon and
Speaker 2: the Colorado River because of the speed run.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He died at fifty two in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: and he died while he was riding his mountain bike.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't find out how. It's like that sounds
Speaker 1: like he went over a cliff or something. Apparently he
Speaker 1: had torn aorta somehow. They're not sure how, but he
Speaker 1: was found laying beside his mountain bike dead and his
Speaker 1: wife at his I believe his third wife, Michelle Grewa,
Speaker 1: said this is exactly how he would have wanted to go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if you're going to be like
Speaker 1: a rugged outdoorsman and you die on your mountain bike,
Speaker 1: that's not the worst way you could go.
Speaker 2: No, they you know, it seemed like he was he
Speaker 2: was just sort of laying there on his side, and
Speaker 2: they said it looked like sort of a peaceful position.
Speaker 2: So there there is speculation that he may have sort
Speaker 2: of known what was going on and just sort of
Speaker 2: laid down and you know, to be with the woods.
Speaker 1: Right, to be with the woods. That's the new euphemism
Speaker 1: for it, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I guess so.
Speaker 1: Michelle Grew also wrote in a memorial Boatman's Quarterly, I
Speaker 1: think that he had mellowed out some a lot actually
Speaker 1: in his later years. Still lived the life that he lived,
Speaker 1: but he became focused on being a dad. I think
Speaker 1: he had three or has three kids, and it was just,
Speaker 1: from what I can tell, an all round interesting neat dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he started a conservation group, didn't he.
Speaker 1: He did called the Grand Canyon River Guides, that's right,
Speaker 1: which is still around today, and that Grand Canyon Dories
Speaker 1: was sold to an existing outfit called Oars, which gives
Speaker 1: dory tours down the Grand Canyon still today.
Speaker 3: Tempting.
Speaker 1: It tempted me too, and then I was like, again,
Speaker 1: seventeen days is a little much and also do I
Speaker 1: want to perish in the Grand Canyon on the Colorado River?
Speaker 1: And I decided, now I don't.
Speaker 3: He could just be with the woods.
Speaker 1: I'd just rather stay locked inside my house. Right, You
Speaker 1: got anything else?
Speaker 3: No, I got nothing else.
Speaker 2: I just know that that's one place you will not
Speaker 2: crash a dory into a boulder is in your house.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, since I said definitely not, that means it's time
Speaker 1: for listener mail.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, this is cool.
Speaker 2: This is from someone who whose grandmother had a nice
Speaker 2: little what do you call them?
Speaker 3: A mnemonic device?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for when you want to remember.
Speaker 1: Something mnemonic you're thinking's a pneumatic no nomonic.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, stuff you should know as a staple of
Speaker 2: my daily commute. Truly enjoy learning about common and obscure stuff.
Speaker 2: And you've helped our trivia team, the Meerkats, claim victory
Speaker 2: on more than one occasion.
Speaker 3: Go Meerkats for sure.
Speaker 2: Anyway, just finished the episode on the Wreck of the
Speaker 2: Coast to Concordia and thought i'd share the way that
Speaker 2: my grandmother taught me how to remember which direction was
Speaker 2: port versus starboard. She would say, there's not much port
Speaker 2: left in the glass like port whye y port side
Speaker 2: being left port left in the glass. Interestingly, she was
Speaker 2: not a seafaring woman nor a.
Speaker 3: Lover of port.
Speaker 2: I wish I could recall the context of her telling
Speaker 2: me this even but it's always stuck with me. And
Speaker 2: I thought you might get a kick out of that.
Speaker 2: Thanks for all the information and laughs. And that is
Speaker 2: from Aaron. And I wrote Aeron back to see if
Speaker 2: I could get report No grandma's name, but I didn't
Speaker 2: hear back. So let's just let's just say grandmother to Aaron,
Speaker 2: okay inntribute?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it. Okay. Is that Aaron with the
Speaker 1: A A or Aaron with the E E R? I am, oh,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Aaron. That's a good one. It's at
Speaker 1: least as good as mine that I came up with.
Speaker 3: But what was yours?
Speaker 1: There's four letters in both port and left.
Speaker 3: I think, Oh, think that's what it's good too.
Speaker 1: That's how that's what I remember. So apparently the system works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to be like Aaron and improve
Speaker 1: or try to improve upon our devices, we love that
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