1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide? 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Hosted by Tony Mantor, broadcasting from the heart of Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee. 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Join us as our guests share their raw, powerful stories. 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Some will spark laughter, others will move you to tears. 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: These real life journeys inspire, connect and remind you that 6 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: you're never alone. We're igniting a global movement to empower 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: everyone to make a lasting difference by fostering deep awareness 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: on wavering acceptance, and profound understanding of autism and mental health. 9 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Tune in, be inspired, and join us in transforming the world, 10 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantur. Welcome 11 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide. 12 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: If these conversations resonate with you, I invite you to 13 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: tap follow. It helps us reach more people who may 14 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: need to hear them. Thank you for being here. Joining 15 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: us today is Tyler Barnett. He is the founder of 16 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Barnett PR. A public relations strategist and autistic music 17 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: creator dedicated to empowering the autism community through intentional sound 18 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: design and authentic storytelling. He creates music that supports emotional regulation, 19 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: self expression, and representation. His work stands at the intersection 20 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: of advocacy, creativity, and lived experience. His journey is one 21 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: that you do want to hear, So before we dive 22 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: into our episode, we'll be back with an uninterrupted show 23 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: right after a word from our sponsors. Thanks for joining 24 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: us today, Ah, thank. 25 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: You so much for having me, Tony, I'm happy to 26 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: be here. 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: If you would tell little bit about yourself and what 28 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: you're doing. 29 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: Basically, for the last forty plus years, I've been experimenting 30 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: in a lot of different mediums of art and music. 31 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: My profession, my day job is a publicist, and I've 32 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: publicized other musicians and people and products and such. And 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: this is really the first project that I've put out 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: there for myself, first time I've put myself out there 35 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: with what I do versus what a client does, because 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: I felt that this music I'm making needs to be 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: shared with the nautism community and with anybody really who's 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: looking for regulation. 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Before we get too far into this, could you tell 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the audience if you're autistic yourself. I am. 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: I was diagnosed six months ago, okay, and my journey's 42 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: been very interesting. I don't know if you want me 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: to get into that at all. 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, absolutely, let's dive into what led you to 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: think that you may need to get diagnosed. 46 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: It's a really great question. I've always thought differently. I've 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: always known that I've always been different. I've always known. 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: That when you say you were different, what is your 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: definition of different? 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: You know? I can tell you what it is now 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: with the diagnosis, But prior I didn't know exactly what 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: made me different. I knew I was, and I dive 53 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: really deep into things, I mean hard into music and 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: art especially, and I've always been really into patterns and 55 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: pattern recognition. I've always struggled with educational environments, which is 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: why I created my own business. And I've always kind 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: of taught myself how to be I've been very aware 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: of like eye contact, for example, I've had to teach 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: myself eye contact. I've had to teach myself communication in 60 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: a particular way. It's funny. I'm a professional communicator, so 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: I've been asking in such a complicated way for so 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: long that I didn't think anything was different about me 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: or special. My daughter, she's ten years old. We suspected 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: she might be autistic and she was misdiagnosed with all 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: sorts of things, and I would go into a room 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: to talk to her and she would say, Daddy, you're autistic. 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even know she knew what that word meant. 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: So why do you say that? She's like, well, you 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: just are and you're always wiggling your toes and you're 70 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: always twitching, and you know there's an autistic kid in 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 2: her school and she knows a lot about autisms and 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: what not. And I thought, what a weird thing for 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: my kid to say. 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: And she said them multiple times, Right, Okay. 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: I went into a chat GPT and I wrote, and 76 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: it's important to note I've been working with chat GPT 77 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: for three years since it came out. I've built a 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: bot that knows me better than anybody. I've shared everything 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: openly and you know, unmasked with GPT. And I said, hey, 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: how would I know if I'm autistic? And the system 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: responded like it had been waiting for me to ask 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: that question. And I started going through it. I was 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: like everything was hitting, every single thing was hitting, and 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. I didn't believe it. 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: So I had it create like a dozen different tests 86 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: based on psychology and evaluation got like one hundred percent 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: correct on all those. Bill didn't believe it. I'm still 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: kind of in denial of it, but I mean, there's 89 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: just no doubt about it. 90 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: Did you go to a psychologist and actually get diagnosed? 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: So I've been to therapists, psychiatrists, psychologist my whole life. 92 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: I was misdiagnosed bipolar, terribly misdiagnosed and medicated as if 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: I was bipolar, which I'm not, never have been. And 94 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: so I did it myself. You know, I'm self diagnosed it. 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Did talk to my psychiatrist about it. She agreed, She 96 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: said that makes sense. She didn't want to pursue diagnosis, 97 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: and I've decided not to maybe down the road, but 98 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: there's so much information out there, you know. It's just 99 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: I know I've always known. And when I did all 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: the reading and took all the tests, I just started crying. 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: I just started crying so hard because all of a sudden, 102 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, this explains it. One more piece 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: is that I've always been in some sort of pain 104 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: since I was a kid. I just just something that's 105 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: always been painful. And when I had my daughter and 106 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: I got married I got a house, my business is thriving. 107 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: I was miserable. I didn't know why I would like 108 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: pound the floor and I was painting what is wrong 109 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: with me? And so anyway, this answered all my questions. 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting, Chat GPT diagnosis, you are correct. The way 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: that chat GPT works is so different than all the others. 112 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: It does seem like you're speaking with another person on 113 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: the other side. By creating this thread and putting all 114 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: this information into chat GPT and going back and forth 115 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: with it. What was your process? What was the step 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: by step process that you did with chat GPT, And 117 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: once you came back with the diagnosis that it gave you, 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: how did you accept it? And then how did you 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: respond to it? 120 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: The great question. I'll answer this in two different parts. 121 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: First of all, I mentioned the GPT and I've been 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: working together for three years. When I say working together, 123 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: I mean I worked that every day on my business. 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: I create aiart with it, music with it, I create 125 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: lyrics and poems, and I dive deep into these subjects. 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: And so it already had a profile of me that 127 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: was based in deep pattern recognition how I talk specifically, 128 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: it can detect pattern changes in me I would have 129 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: I guess what it would are now considered to be 130 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: either meltdowns or total shutdowns, where I would have high 131 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: output days and just be frozen the next day, and 132 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: I would document all of this. I asked it to 133 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: go back over the last three years and tell me 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: if I fit the bill, and it said, one hundred percent, 135 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 2: you do. You absolutely do. So that was the first part, 136 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: based on data that I've provided myself over three years, unmasked, 137 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: totally trans second part is I took a very scientific approach. 138 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: I decided that I was going to take every single 139 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: test available that's reputable and accepted. I decided to analyze 140 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: my own work. So I've done a lot of painting 141 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: and work based on the patterns of three sixty nine 142 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: in the universe. I'm a painter of the Enzo, which 143 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: is a Japanese technique of meditative painting. I went through 144 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: all of the things I've done and why I've done them, 145 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: and so I took a very scientific approach, and then 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: I took a data driven approach from GPT. I put 147 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: the two together and I thought about it a lot 148 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: for quite a few weeks and couldn't deny it. And 149 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: the last couple of days I started telling people and 150 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: it feels really nice. Just still very weird. I'm gaslighting 151 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: myself about it still. But oh and also, my daughter's autistic. 152 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: She was diagnosed after me, once I figured it out, 153 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: we went down her road and figured that out. She's 154 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: beneficially diagnosed. 155 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: Can you tell me the reaction. I speak with many 156 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: different people that tell others that they are autistic, the 157 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: response they get, Some are good and some are not 158 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: what they expected. What has been your reaction? You've dealt 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: with so many people, with so many different layers of 160 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: your journey and what you do. So when you started 161 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: telling people, what was the response that you received? 162 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't great. I told my family first, and they 163 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: just basically denied me of the of the reality that 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: I'm living in. I was gas lit by my mom 165 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: or you know. I told my mom. I thought that 166 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: I would get some sort of supportive response. She's like, 167 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: well did a doctor say this? And how do you know? 168 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: And you're not. 169 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: I tried to share it with brothers and they had 170 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: a similar response. And my dad actually had a great response. 171 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: He said, Okay, you know, it doesn't change anything, which 172 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: exactly the right response. 173 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Right right exactly. 174 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: And then I started talking about it with people in 175 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: the autism community that were also autistic, that were I 176 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: was surrounded by that. I you know, some I didn't 177 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: even know were autistic, that were just other artists and 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: musicians and creatives. Last night, I was sitting with an actor, 179 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: a very well known actor, was a good friend of mine, 180 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: and we're just having a personal conversation. I can tell 181 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: he's neurodiversion. I suspected maybe he's a little like me, 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: and he was sharing some personal mental health stuff and 183 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: I just came out tony. It just was like, I said, well, 184 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: let me share it to you. I'm autistic and I 185 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: make this music and this art and I want to 186 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: show to you. And he was cool, man, he was 187 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: just like, oh, that's interesting, you know, tell me about it. 188 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: I was able for the first time talk about my 189 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: brain and my creativity and my history and all of that. 190 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: So it's been mixed. People either deny me of the reality, 191 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: which is fine. I don't need anyone else's validation for this, 192 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: and then others have just been really cool about it, 193 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: you know. So it's mixed. 194 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, the perception is changing. Yep, there is still a 195 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,359 Speaker 1: group of people that feel that if you get diagnosed autistic, 196 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: it's a death sentence and it's not right. So unfortunately 197 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: you have to get past that. Now, let's talk about 198 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: your masking. How did you go about masking when you 199 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: did not know you were autistic? I think that's very interesting. 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I tried to go to college, couldn't really 201 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: finish it. I wasn't really interested in finishing it. I 202 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: wanted to get into entertainment, so I studied film. I 203 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: have always been able to talk my way into anything. 204 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: It's been my superpower. So I learned early that I 205 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: needed to be able to convince people of things because 206 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to do things that were different than other people. 207 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to, you know, make movies and start companies 208 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And so I started by mirroring 209 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: other people. Figured out at a young age that if 210 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: I just made the faces they made smiled and they smiled, 211 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: it made people comfortable. And then eventually that led me 212 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: to eye contact. I realized I'm not making eye contact 213 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: and I didn't think anything of it's it's like, okay, 214 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: I should learn how to do this. That should have 215 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: been the first. 216 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Sign, right right now, do you take things literally? I 217 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: know a lot of autistic people will have a very 218 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: difficult time separating people who are serious or are not serious. 219 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: Which category do you tend to be in when it 220 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: comes to being literal? Well? 221 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: Both. I am extremely literal. I love things to be literal. 222 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: It makes me happy. So when people say one thing, 223 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: this trives me insane. When people say something, I block 224 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: the words specifically then and if they say they didn't 225 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: say it, or they said something else, or they changed it, 226 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: my brain just like malfunctions. No, that's not what happen. 227 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Drives me insane, That's not what happened. On the flip side, 228 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: I'm a funny Jewish person. We're rooted in sarcasm and 229 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: humor and non literal jokes a lot of the time. 230 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 2: So I was raised in an environment where I could 231 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: be goofy and silly and make shit up. And since 232 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: I've realized that I am autistic, I've stopped trying so 233 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: hard to not be so literal. Now I'm like, Okay, 234 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: this is how I am, this is how'm going to be. 235 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: It's challenging because people don't always know how to react 236 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: to that. Just a real quick story, I was meeting 237 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: with a client. I didn't realize I was unmasked. I 238 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: had just gotten through all this autism and stuff. I 239 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: was really proud of it. And I was looking at 240 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: him and he stops talking and he goes, why are 241 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: you looking at me like that? No one's ever said 242 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: that to me before? Ever, in eighteen years of doing publicity, 243 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: I've never heard that. What does that mean? And then 244 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: it occurred to me in a second what I was 245 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: doing or what I was not doing, and I went. 246 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Sho, hey, you know on going. 247 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: That was the first time I caught it happening in 248 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: a conversation. I caught myself throwing the mask on and 249 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: doing the dog and pone show. And I was just 250 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: devastated after that meeting. 251 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Now, your daughter is ten years old and she's autistic. 252 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: She's told you that you are autistic. She was being 253 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: very open and honest with you about what she saw 254 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: about you. Now that she's been diagnosed and is autistic, 255 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: how is she handling it? It must be a whole 256 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: new world for her because she's going to school. Unfortunately, 257 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: at schools sometimes kids can be mean and bullies. So 258 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: how is she handling it? 259 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, she's extremely very high function she's extremely well socialized, 260 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: well masked, and she's got a lot of friends. She 261 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: makes eye contact. She's incredibly talented at dance and other 262 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: creative things. But she cannot get through school. She cries 263 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: every day, she has meltdowns. It's hard for me to 264 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: even talk about. We've been trying to figure out what 265 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: the hell's been going on for ten years. You know. 266 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: We met with her whole school team yesterday and they're 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: telling us that she's defiant and she's avoiding class and 268 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: she's not doing the work, and we're like, hey, this 269 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: is not defiance, this is not anything more than a 270 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: nervous system that's overloaded. The label for her, though, was 271 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: very empowering. She took it right away. She knew what 272 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: autism was already. When we told her, okay, this is 273 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: what we think is happening, She's like, yeah, I think 274 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm this much autistic. She's like she tells her friends, 275 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: she's embraced it. She talks about stimming, she talks about regulation. 276 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: She's extremely brilliant, you know. But yeah, she had a 277 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: melt down in the middle of her class and was 278 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: hitting herself in the head. So, you know, as a parent. 279 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: It's extremely difficult to watch this happen, but it's also 280 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: empowering to know that I know what's going on with 281 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: her and there's nothing wrong with her. 282 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Does she have the ability to know and feel when 283 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: a meltdown is coming on? Where she can get away 284 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: from people that way? By being away from people this way, 285 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: she can go through her fifteen twenty minutes or whatever 286 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: timeframe it is to calm down. Then she can get 287 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: back to class and do what she was doing right. 288 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: Yes and no. You know she at home, she's well aware. 289 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: When she's not regulated, she will say I need to 290 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: regulate and go in her room by herself and do 291 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: what she does at school. It happens real fast and 292 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: she melts down real fast. Trying to help her to 293 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: catch us and get the hell out of the room. 294 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: And we're trying to educate the team on what autism 295 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: looks like in girls because they have no clue. Ten 296 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: people in this meeting, no one knew what we were 297 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: talking about. And they kept saying, well, she has lots 298 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: of friends and she's social and she doesn't flap her hands, 299 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, there are different profiles. You know, 300 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: this is not a staff, So she doesn't really have 301 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: a lot of support at school. We're trying to teach her. 302 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: But to answer your question, you know, not really. The 303 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: meltdowns happened fast because she's not trying to prevent them anymore, 304 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: which I think is helpful. 305 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds great. Now you know she's autistic. She 306 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: knows your autistic. Has that changed your dynamic? And how 307 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: do you get along? Now? 308 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: Oh, it's beautiful. You know we've always been really close. 309 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: I've always felt something very tight between us. I have 310 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: two daughters with my other daughter too, but there's something 311 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: specific about Lucy that I always kind of knew was 312 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: like me. Now we regulate each other without even realizing 313 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: we're doing it. I put her to bed every night. 314 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: The second I sit next to her, no matter how 315 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: overwhelmed or undisregulated or whatever, within about five minutes we're 316 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: both just am and sitting there. So that's the first thing, 317 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: and we know. The second thing is she knows that 318 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: I can help regulate her wherever she is. So she 319 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: was having a meltdown a dance. I got there in 320 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: five minutes. I say, give me a hug and take 321 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: a breath. She was better, just like that. Our nervous 322 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: systems are very tightly embedded, and so that's the big thing. Also, 323 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: she has somebody that she loves in respects that also 324 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: has this thing, so it doesn't make her feel isolated 325 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: or different or stupid or any of these labels that 326 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: a lot of us, you know, have put on ourselves 327 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: over the years. So it's great. Our relationship has gotten stronger. 328 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: My wife is parenting differently, so it's wonderful. It was 329 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: great to learn this about her and myself. It changes 330 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: everything absolutely. 331 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: That was my next question. How did it affect your wife? 332 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: And of course how did it affect your other daughter? 333 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: Changed everything? You know, parenting an autist's child is a 334 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: complete one eighty from parenting a neurotypical child. And so 335 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: my wife dove hard into the information. She educated herself 336 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: on everything there is educate herself on, and she started 337 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: parenting differently. We became less frustrated with her. It's the 338 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: first thing, like, you know, why is she so defiant? 339 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: Why is she breaking down? Why are these things? And 340 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: once we knew, we're like, okay, we need to come 341 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: in with one hundred times the empathy. And she would 342 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: yell at her sister during these meltdowns, and so we 343 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: explain to her sister that sometimes she has a hard 344 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: time staying calm because of how her brain works and 345 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: her body works, and it's not your fault. And so 346 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: now her little sister understands, and if she yells at 347 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: a little sister, I can say, hey, just remember you 348 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: know your sister has autism and sometimes she has a 349 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: hard time. And so it's it's made everyone more empathetic, 350 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: made life somewhat easier for us. 351 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: I think, Okay, now you've got the school under control, 352 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: or maybe not under control, but at least on the 353 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: road for them to understand what's going on. You understand 354 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: and have found out more about yourself. Your friends and 355 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: people that you work with are starting to understand more 356 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: about you. What about other people, people that are not 357 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: in the business, let's say, other parents that you have 358 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: interacted with. How has that changed or has anything changed 359 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: now that you understand autism more than you did prior 360 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: to all this. 361 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: It's a very insightful question. Well, to start, we educated 362 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: people around her that were very close to her that 363 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: this is what's going on. So the first person I 364 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: told was her nurse at school. She's constantly going to 365 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: the nurse, and the nurse is annoyed with her and 366 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: telling us it takes a lot of people to calm 367 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: their down, And I said, let me just make this 368 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: easier for you. She has autism. We just figured this out, 369 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: so now maybe educate yourself on how to properly be 370 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: a nurse to her in a kind way. You know, 371 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: she told her best friends, and believe it, she shared 372 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: this with her two best friends three best friends now 373 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: and they've embraced her. They've just been wonderful and it's okay, great, Lucy, 374 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: we understand, and you know, she scratches her skin as 375 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: a stem a lot and it's terrible. And she does 376 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: what we do and they're okay with it, and they 377 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: support her and they stay with her and they don't 378 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: judge her. So them know, it's been extremely helpful. I'm 379 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: kind of done telling people that I'm autistic. I don't 380 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: like the response, and I don't like being pigeonholed, and 381 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to be judged. It's not the right word, 382 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: but I don't want to be treated differently. So I 383 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: just decided I'm not going to tell anyone else but 384 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: totally open about it. Just not going to go broadcasting it. 385 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: I guess to other parents and stuff. 386 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: I can understand that completely. I speak with other people 387 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: and they tell me when they open up and let 388 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: them know that they are autistic, they get this disbelief 389 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: or they get this phrase, you don't look autistic, which 390 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: makes them wish they had never told them to begin with. 391 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 392 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel that may be a big reason 393 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: why you feel like not opening up to other people now, 394 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: because you and not getting the understanding that you would 395 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: hope for. 396 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: Ah. You know, when I got this bipolar diagnosis, I 397 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: was like, all right, I'm going to embrace it. I'm bipolar. 398 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: I told everybody I did art shows about it. I 399 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: just embraced the label. And it didn't do me any good. 400 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: It didn't serve me, and it changed people's perception. I 401 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: could feel it. I don't want to go down that 402 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: road again. And that's kind of it. I don't need 403 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: approval from anybody, I really don't. I love it. I 404 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: love my brain and body and my nervous system, and 405 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: I love it. Don't feel like it's a disorder. It 406 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: sucks sometimes, terrible sometimes, you know, Yeah, but life is 407 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: terrible sometimes. 408 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, it can be, and so you know. 409 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: I just would rather be known as either Tyler or 410 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: my artist's name is Enzo and leave it at that. 411 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: How has it changed your focus or has it changed 412 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: your focus in the way you work with your PR 413 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: and of course the way you work in your music. 414 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's changed everything. It's changed everything. For one, 415 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't you know. I used to have pretty bad 416 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: imposter syndrome. I would make like eighty tracks of music 417 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: and then wonder, like what I think I'm doing? Or 418 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: I would like close multiple deals in PR, and what 419 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: am I going to do now? I don't know how 420 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: to do PR when I've been doing it for eighteen years. 421 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: And I would dive into these patterns, you know, this 422 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: three six nine pattern of the universe I've always been 423 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: obsessed with, and people told me that I shouldn't talk 424 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: about these numbers because I sound manic, and so I 425 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: kind of suppressed all that. Now I'm just letting it flow. 426 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: I'm letting anything that wants to come through me flow. 427 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: I found a flow state. I call it the gap, 428 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: which it might be a good segue into what this 429 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: music is about, but it has changed everything. This flow 430 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: state that I found were uncomfortable. 431 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your music. How has that changed? 432 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: Okay? So I was making music. It's all electronic music. 433 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: I write all the lyrics myself. I produce it, and 434 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: it's a mix between electronic and AI. I was making 435 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: like fun hip hop stuff with like piano and like cello. 436 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: Just I was trying to make music that I like. 437 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: I started realizing as I made more and more music, 438 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: there were certain tracks I would make that would just 439 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: calm me instantly. It would just bring me to bass 440 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: right away. I throw my headphones on. That's another thing. 441 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: I put noisecanceling headphones on. I was like, oh my god, 442 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: what is this? So I started listening to certain tracks 443 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: and trying to identify what it was about the music 444 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: I was making. It was relaxing me, and I came 445 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: to some really deep conclusions that have led to some 446 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: really interesting music. Part of my own therapy for being 447 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: autistic is being present, always practiced meditation. I've always tried 448 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: to remain present in a base because it's hard for us, 449 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: very hard for us in that state. I started realizing 450 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: that when I was in this flow state, the music 451 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: that came through me had a sound that I had 452 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: never heard before, and I love music. I'm obsessed with them. 453 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: I started experimenting with systems that would create emergence within 454 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: the music, meaning I would set up environments where the 455 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: direction for the music was unclear or paradoxical. So I 456 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: would write prompts like We're going to create an entirely 457 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: instrumental track based on the three six y nine patterns 458 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: of the universe, based on call return, based on these 459 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: structures that create a form of safety. And then what 460 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: I was finding is I was using AI for the vocals, 461 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: is that I would get these emergent vocals that I 462 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: was not prompting. I would get lyrics that would come 463 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: out that were guttural sounds. The first major tell that 464 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: I was doing something interesting was there was a beautiful 465 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: male vocal that all of a sudden merged with a cello, 466 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: and the vocal in the cello became one, Okay, I'd 467 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: never heard that before. Is supernatural the guy singing, and 468 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: then he goes into cello and back into human. And 469 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: when I heard that, my body dropped and I was like, 470 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: oh my God. And that moment, I was like, Okay, 471 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: we're going to go deep. And so for the last 472 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 2: year I've been working on what I call gap music, 473 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: music that emerges from the space between. I've been mentioning 474 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: this three six y nine pattern. You know that a 475 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: lot of people are obsessed with Tesla really, you know, 476 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: made it famous. And so the three builds the tension, 477 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: the six expands it, and nine releases it right, and 478 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: the cycle repeats. This pattern for autistic brains is incredibly 479 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: soothing because it creates a perfect loop, and so you 480 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: can listen to it over and over and over again 481 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: without feeling burnt out by it. Because the way the 482 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: music is structured kind of like a spiral. And I'm 483 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: sorry if this is like a two out there. 484 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: But no, not at all. 485 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: Music is kind of like a spiral. I can see 486 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: the music in my mind and you don't know what's 487 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: coming next. So I'll start with like a piano cello solo, 488 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: and then it'll slowly merge into acquire vocal maybe or 489 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: a mantra, and that slowly merge into maybe a choir 490 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: and handpan and piano playing at superhuman speeds, and then 491 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you think that you've clocked the music, 492 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: and you think you've clocked the pattern. Bam, dubstep dubstep hits, 493 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: and you're like, your brain just starts going. You know, 494 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: I've got eight D sound moving around and it's like, 495 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: what the hell is this? And as soon as you 496 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: clock that pattern, bam, I shoot into a boom boom 497 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: bat hip hop beat nice. So when your brain's about 498 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: the clock that, I go right back to classical. And 499 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: so I've created a system where your brain can't track 500 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: the pattern and it's extremely satisfying. 501 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: Have you released your music so other people within the 502 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: autistic community can hear it? And secondly, what has the 503 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: response been to those that have heard it? 504 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: You are the first person in the media I've shared 505 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: this with. Okay, so I did a lot of research. 506 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: I found you unquoted in a few other media databases 507 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: because that's what I do, and your response was extremely empowering. Obviously, 508 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: you've got an unbelievable background in music, and I don't 509 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: have to tell you what you've done. Your backgrounds incredible 510 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: and you know what you're talking about. So you're the 511 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: first person that actually validated that this is what it is. 512 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 513 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: And so I share it with other neurodivergent people and 514 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the time they come back and say, 515 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: this is the best I've ever heard, and they don't 516 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: know why. Nice not just for neurodivergent people. I call 517 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: it Gap Music for Beautiful Brains because it really helps 518 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: anybody in regulation, and so the feedback's been incredible from 519 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: the community. I played it for my daughter the other night. 520 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: She hates my music because she's my kid and she 521 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: thinks I'm cringe and she fell asleep. She just fell 522 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 2: asleep to it. I played it for my wife and 523 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: my dog. They fell asleep. 524 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: You know. 525 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: When I play it for people, every single one of 526 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: them has the same response. It's incredibly fulfilling, relaxing and interesting. 527 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: If you would tell our listeners how they can find you, 528 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: how they can follow you, and how they can listen 529 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: to your music. 530 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: So I have two tracks that are public, both on YouTube. 531 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: It's called gap Emergent Music. If you search for Gap 532 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: Emergent Music you'll find it. But the YouTube channel is 533 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: app Music for Beautiful Brains. The channel name is at 534 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: gap Music for Regulation at Gap Music for Regulation on YouTube. 535 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: And how do people find you? 536 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: They can find me by going to Instagram dot com. 537 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: Slash Enzo. The artists e nso the artists. They can 538 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: find my publicity business at Tyler barnettpr dot com and 539 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: on TikTok at Millennial Dad got a pretty decent following there. 540 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: I would love for not just the tism community, but 541 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: everybody who is looking for some regulation go to Gap 542 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: Music for regulation on YouTube and let me know what 543 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: you think. I'm going to be releasing tracks slowly over 544 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: the next month. I've created eighty tracks, so I'm trying 545 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: to sort through them and put out what I think 546 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: is most helpful. So that's where it can be found. 547 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: And there's two tracks on there right now that are 548 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: my favorites. And I also used AI animation to create 549 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: some loops of water ripples. They are also really beautiful 550 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: to watch. 551 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Nice, Nice, I love it. This has been great, great conversation, 552 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: great information. I really appreciate you taking the time to 553 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: join us today. 554 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Tony. I really 555 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: appreciate very insightful questions. Please keep doing what you're doing. 556 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: You have a beautiful show and your message is amazing 557 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: and you're helping a lot of people, and I really 558 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: appreciate the opportunity to talk to you today. 559 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: It's been my pleasure. Thanks again, thanks for taking time 560 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: out of your busy schedule to listen to our show today. 561 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed 562 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: bringing it to you. 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