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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukam and this is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Rendered,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by FHF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 2: We're here with doctor Adam McCall and Josh Lambridge spilmmaker.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year, by the way, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: How's it already twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you say that because first time

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Speaker 2: in my life, and this may have something to do

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Speaker 2: with a medical issue that I have.

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Speaker 4: So we brought to ask our personal medical issues.

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Speaker 2: I actually think it might have to do with some

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Speaker 2: a project that I'm doing that's gonna come out in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. But I actually feel like twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six has already completed.

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Speaker 4: Twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I usually have a hard time writ in

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Speaker 2: the year. Yeah, you know, and when I write twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, I think I should be writing twenty seven. Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me if there's anything wrong with me?

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Speaker 3: Well? I can, But is that something you want me

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Speaker 3: to tell over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna remove all hippa, all

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Speaker 2: hippa considerations. No, so you're right though twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: we're here, this is the first render of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about men's health.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a big, big topic right now for sure.

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Speaker 2: Man, it really is maybe middle aged men or prime

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Speaker 2: targets for health because you know, really thinking about health.

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Speaker 2: Because it feels like we all go through these stages.

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Speaker 2: When you're a kid, you're obviously are not thinking about

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Speaker 2: longevity in health. When you're in your youth from twenty

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Speaker 2: to thirty five, you're kind of in the probably the

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Speaker 2: physical prime of your life. Maybe yep, you're you're less

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Speaker 2: likely to be thinking about health issues. Just seem a

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Speaker 2: long ways away to care about much about your health.

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Speaker 3: I think that what you see, you know, you get

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Speaker 3: in that first stage at eighteen to thirty, you kind

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Speaker 3: You're just kind of trying to figure it out. You know,

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Speaker 3: that thirty to forty year old you move into that

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Speaker 3: what I call the conqueror phase, Like when you're just

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Speaker 3: trying to get it done. You're conquering life.

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Speaker 4: Forty is really where it starts.

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Speaker 3: To kind of slow down a little bit, where you go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I just want to maintain what I have. And I

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Speaker 3: think that that forty year old man, you wake up

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Speaker 3: don't know what you did. It starts, I mean, it

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Speaker 3: starts a process of you going, maybe I ought to

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Speaker 3: take care of myself a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and that's why, you know, in the in

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Speaker 2: really started writing about, you know, fitness and stuff, and

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Speaker 2: he probably wasn't the first one, but he was the

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Speaker 2: first one that I paid attention to, where this idea

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Speaker 2: of hunting and fitness go together was kind of a

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Speaker 2: new deal. And but I mean now now in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, it's like it seems to be a commonplace thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is which is I think a wonderful thing. Yep,

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Speaker 2: that we would tack on fitness being a component of

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Speaker 2: you know, living an outdoor lifestyle. And I've never been

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Speaker 2: one to talk about, uh, I don't think I've really

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Speaker 2: I do to stay in this kind of shape, Josh.

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Speaker 4: But uh, and keep your eye canting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I was like Jack, that'd be like

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Speaker 2: putting pictures of me doing bench presses and stuff. I

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Speaker 2: am not, but but I actually it's top of mind

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Speaker 2: for me and has been for probably ten years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember you saying that You're like, man, I'm

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Speaker 3: getting healthy and stay healthy, and so yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: that's incredibly important. I think that I think I wonder

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Speaker 3: You just can't if you're not in shape, you don't

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Speaker 2: It's it's so true. And uh, I mean it goes

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I mean to me, as much as the physicality

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Speaker 2: have the energy, the mental energy. Because the older I

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Speaker 2: see this in people, I've seen traces of it to myself.

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Speaker 2: The older you get, the more just staying at home

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Speaker 2: sounds good. Yeah, I mean, just just drank, just tired.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I hear from a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: My I'm forty six, Josh is sixty three. That was

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Speaker 2: a joke. We had a live audience that'll be like,

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Speaker 4: I'm getting ready, fifty twenty twenty six is fifty for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And so just what you're talking about, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I've I've spent a lot of my life working physical

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Speaker 4: And so I appreciate what you're talking about, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, My dad always told me that his buddies got

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Speaker 2: old when they turned fifty, like they started acting like

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Speaker 2: again my point being, it's not just about like being

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Speaker 2: strong enough to walk up that mountain, right, an equal

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Speaker 2: component of that is having the drive, the energy, the

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we were. I took I took three of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know it is.

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Speaker 3: You've got to constantly fight against that and realize that man,

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Speaker 3: He's really good. I'm not. And I said, man, we're

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Speaker 3: And he said, what do you think you are? And

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Speaker 3: counting down instead of counting up at this point, And so,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So doctor McCall is both Josh and I's doctor

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Speaker 2: relatively new all right. My dear friend, doctor Jason Lofton,

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Speaker 2: was both of our doctors. He's long ways from here,

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Speaker 2: but a great guy, a relationship, just a longtime dear

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Speaker 2: who said, hey, guys, y'all should y'all y'all don't need

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Speaker 4: After he dumped us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know now that I'm thinking about it, now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, I can't say to.

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Speaker 2: You when he when he did he pay you like

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Speaker 3: Wasn't a lot, but it was uh, you know, he

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Speaker 3: actually said, he said, hey, what do you think about

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Speaker 3: taking care of one of my good friends? And I said,

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Speaker 3: who's that? And he said, a god named Clay Nukem,

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Speaker 3: and immediately I was like, look, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you know this not, but I've actually been courting Clay

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Speaker 3: for a little bit on Facebook, like, hey, man, just

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Speaker 3: so you know, I'm a doctor, take care of the

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Speaker 3: whole family. Uh. And and because I knew Jess knukemb

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Speaker 3: and who kind of connected this right before you signed

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Speaker 3: on media her way back when in law. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: uh and so anyways, and then he reached out to me,

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Speaker 3: he said, hey, I think, uh, Josh is gonna call

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Speaker 3: and uh just makes gets on your schedule. And so

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Speaker 3: I had to go actually pay my front staff to

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's been Uh, it's been great to connect

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Speaker 2: but uh, tell me tell me about your business and

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of a rarity. There's about one to two

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Speaker 3: that still deliver babies at high volume. Really, so I

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Speaker 3: do family practicing obstetrics. I deliver about one hundred babies

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Speaker 4: So we've both delivered babies.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, well, never.

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Speaker 2: Mind, he's not joking.

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Speaker 2: Really, I delivered uh uh my youngest son unassisted in

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Speaker 4: That is that I delivered my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Not to one up you doctor, year I have done one.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's phenomenal. There is no greater experience. And a

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Speaker 3: So I let a lot of dads that I like,

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Speaker 2: But didn't mean to interrupt you, but we had to

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Speaker 2: drop that stat. Josh is pretty much the same thing.

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Speaker 3: But you need to hear that story at some point.

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Speaker 2: So one hundred and twenty babies a year, that's like

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Speaker 2: a baby every two or three days.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it works out about like that too. Two

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Speaker 4: Shoot sketch them so you can.

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Speaker 3: Have I wish no man, they you know, that's one

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Speaker 3: thing that I'm a I'm a pretty patient individual and

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Speaker 3: so and I do what's right for the patient, and

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Speaker 3: that's to let things naturally occur unless we need to

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Speaker 2: And uh, that means you're having to wake up the

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Speaker 2: yeah all the time.

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Speaker 3: Really, So I actually have have thrown around the idea

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Speaker 3: and she's like, but you love it too much. I

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Speaker 3: bicycles now further and going to see friends and so

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00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: like we let him have that, but you know, we

437
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: don't play video games in our house. We don't play smartphones.

438
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: It's either outside getting dirty or you're inside and you're

439
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: you're cleaning up.

440
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it's I think it's good

441
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: sometimes for men to talk about the standards that they

442
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: hold in their house because I know, for me, when

443
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: I hear people that I respect say stuff, it triggers

444
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: stuff in me. Then I'm like, oh, I could do that,

445
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: or or I'm never gonna do that, or or you know,

446
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: just like something about putting stuff out there. Yeah, and

447
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: like what you said right there about just there's a

448
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: rule in your house no smartphones. At what point would

449
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 2: you give your kid a smartphone?

450
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that there's a lot to that

451
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 3: just from what a smartphone gives you the access to.

452
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: You know, I think from a maturity standpoint, he's probably

453
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: not going to be mature enough until he's twenty seven.

454
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: From a realistic standpoint, I mean when he's sixteen, he's driving. Yeah,

455
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: I think we'll give him one, but it's going to

456
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: be very limited, like we'll put a lot of restrictions

457
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: on it. But I mean, I think that eighteen, he's

458
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, feel free to make his own decisions. But

459
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: I think they just they offer so much access to

460
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: things that we don't need access to. And I think

461
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: that you're going to see, Man, these kids that have

462
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: access to it, we already see a lot of it

463
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: that is just detrimental.

464
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Speaker 2: That's pretty much the stance that we had with our kids.

465
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: There was varying ages, but they were we had to

466
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: fight other people's kids getting the phones and our kids

467
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: not And that's a war that you just have to fight. Yep.

468
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: It's just like life is not about you getting what

469
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: other people get. Life is about you live in this house.

470
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: These are our this is way we live. And so

471
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, every parent's got to navigate

472
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: that with their kids, and hopefully you've built the kind

473
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: of respect that by the time they're twelve thirteen and

474
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: they're starting to have that will kick in that you've

475
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: still got the authority and the respect to be able

476
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: to institute something and it stick. But that's pretty much

477
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: what we did with our kids. Yeah, and then the

478
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: other thing is that we did the same thing. None

479
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: of our kids ever played video games. Yeah, I mean

480
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: we never never had them in the house. And that's

481
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: a tough one for a lot of people.

482
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Speaker 4: I think it's okay to go against the trend too,

483
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: absolutely mean, I mean I want to say that to people, like,

484
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: it's okay to trust your gut and go against the trend. Yeah,

485
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: people won't say that. You know, everybody seems to be

486
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: making a case for your kid to have access to

487
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: whatever and whatever, But it's okay. You're not going to

488
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: hurt them by not letting them have a cell phone, right.

489
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Speaker 3: You do not say this is a generality in total

490
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 3: by saying this, But usually the harder it is and

491
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: the longer the fight, the better of their outcome. Like,

492
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: if you're willing to fight that that trend and it's

493
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: just in your face and your kids are coming home going, well,

494
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: they got one, and they got one and they got one,

495
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: that the heart of the fight, man, the more worth

496
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: the fight becomes. And so I think, yeah, absolutely.

497
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: You know, the whole what you just said there about

498
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: fighting the trends, I think we can tie that back

499
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: into this, this idea of health. But I think one

500
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: of the biggest things that we fight against, maybe inside

501
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: of a society that's becoming more connected because of the Internet.

502
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Like I look and look on this phone and immediately

503
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: see so many people's way of life, what they do,

504
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: what they think. I mean, like my exposure to other

505
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: people is dramatically more than my grandfather when he was

506
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: my age, just like his knowledge of what people are

507
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: actually doing in their home. Yeah, and and knowledge of

508
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: like the cultural trends and what you said, I mean

509
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, you've got to be willing to

510
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: stand against the trend of the age. Yep, I mean

511
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: negative trends. I mean we've and I want to take

512
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: this into a medical sure, medical question. I think we

513
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: could turn it into a medical question. Fifty percent of

514
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: the people men in this country are obese. How many? Oh, no,

515
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: way more, way more.

516
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't have an exact stat but I mean you

517
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 3: look at Washington County. We're one of the healthier counties

518
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: in Arkansas, and we're sixty percent of.

519
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: Bees sixty percent. So our culture has made that acceptable.

520
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, our culture has made that. I mean, it's

521
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: just normal to be forty fifty pounds overweight.

522
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Yep, and I think it's yeah, food, exercise, that were

523
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: more sedentary, I mean all that, But yeah, no, I

524
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: think different culturally. I mean, when you know your granddad's

525
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: age or my granddad's age, did you go order a

526
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: double cheeseburger and then stop by and get a milkshake

527
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: on the way home. I just didn't do that. I'll

528
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: we have access to so many more foods in substance

529
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: in what we've ever had access to before.

530
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that the social the social acceptedness of being

531
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: that unhealthy, if I can just say it that way.

532
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: And I have been that unhealthy before. Yeah, there was

533
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: a time when I weighed probably well the not to

534
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: get too personal, but uh, I weighed one hundred and

535
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: ninety four pounds at one point in my life. I

536
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: weigh about one eighty now, but it's a healthier one eighty. Yeah,

537
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: but at the time, I think I was like thirty

538
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: pounds overweight. And you're only five foot two and I'm

539
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: like five foot two. So no, the it takes a

540
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: lot in this day and age to be healthy. It does.

541
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Speaker 3: What I mean, I think a lot of us, you know,

542
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: it's tied to our work, what we're doing, we're in

543
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: front of computer screens, we're not as active. And then

544
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: when we get home, like you said earlier, when you

545
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: hit I mean, I fu forty. It started even for

546
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: me of going when I get home, the last thing

547
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: I want to do is like put on some other

548
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: shoes and go for a walk, you know, because you

549
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 3: just you're mentally exhausted with the amount of information that

550
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: you're having to juggle and make decisions about throughout the day.

551
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: And I think that, I mean, you just get to

552
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: that point you go tonight, I'm not going to do it.

553
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: And I think that comes into those you know, we

554
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: talked about New Year's resolutions. Typically by the second Friday

555
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: in January, ninety percent of people have given up on

556
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: their resolution. And so I think that there's better ways

557
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: to approach that. And I said, I mean, just make

558
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: some simple rules in your life. Don't call them resolutions,

559
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: just call them rules. Say I'm not going to drink

560
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: any any you know, carbonated or any coke during the week.

561
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: You have some on Sunday and Saturday or whatever. But

562
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: just make simple rules that if people would do that,

563
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: small accumulations and good result up to huge accumulations and

564
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: good later, you know, And so it's not about making

565
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: these massive changes, It's about making small investments in your

566
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: health today because they pay off dividends in ten years,

567
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: not tomorrow.

568
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: I think that, I think that, you know, I've I've

569
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: been one who has not taken care of himself over

570
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: the years, just just transparently. And you know, I've been

571
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: talking with doctor McCall just you know. Another thing I

572
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: want to say is like, it's not it's never too late.

573
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: It's never too late to make adjustments, like not at all,

574
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: find a medical professional who can help you. I think

575
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: that's one of the things that I've appreciated about doctor

576
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: McCall is he really looks at things holistically, you know

577
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: what I mean. There's a there's a physical component, there's

578
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: a mental component, there's a spiritual component. And you can't

579
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: just you can't just throw treatment after one thing to

580
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: try to to try to get healthy. But man, it's

581
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 4: never too late, you know. I'm making decisions now at

582
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: almost fifty, yeah, to try to to try to get

583
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: in a more healthy lifestyle.

584
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: You know. And I think, you know, there's a lot

585
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: of people out there that are starting to ask the

586
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: question of not just okay, I am like this or

587
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: this condition exists, but why does it exist? Let's get

588
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: to that root cause. You know, so if someone's got

589
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: if they're really struggling with obesity, why are they struggling

590
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: with obesity? Are they there anxiety? Theres or depression theirs

591
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: or a past? There that so many people instead of

592
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: using a phone to search for dopamine. I mean, we

593
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: know food releases a huge amount of dopamine and people

594
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: stress the you know, to a significant amount. That causes

595
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: a lot of morbidity in their lives that they wouldn't

596
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: have to deal with if they would just deal with

597
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: the why they're doing it, not the not just that they.

598
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: Are right, like, yeah, they actually get into the to

599
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: the root cause. Yeah, of so you know, yeah, I

600
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: think that's important. I think a lot of times we

601
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: deal with the symptoms so much of stuff that we

602
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: don't really deal with the with the with the real issue.

603
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you think I always try to try to

604
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 3: tie in hunting and or working or what I describe

605
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: a lot of conditions. Even with a flat tire on

606
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: the truck, you know, you could say, man, I need

607
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: a whole new set of tires. No you don't, You

608
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: really need to put a little air in it and

609
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: things will actually get better kind of thing. But think

610
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: about even honting, Man, when you understand if you take

611
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: the time to understand thermals, it's a game changer for

612
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: how you access certain areas and how and how successful

613
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: you are at harvesting animals. Same thing goes for your health.

614
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: If you will do the work, you will become so

615
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: much better at understanding what's going on with your body

616
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: way before anybody else does. And so I really encourage

617
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: you with them and get down to what's what's the symptom,

618
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: what's what's happening, and really really work through some of

619
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: that hard stuff to to try to get healthy.

620
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: What would what what would you say if an alien

621
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: showed up here and said what should a human eat?

622
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: If but calculated this is where we live, and money

623
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: and all the factors that do play into our diets,

624
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: what would you tell a human to eat? Man?

625
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: I think that if you can grow it, if you

626
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: can catch it, if you can harvest it, I think, man,

627
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: you can you can eat it. But I think that

628
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: what we're seeing is that there's the amount of processed

629
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: foods and the amount of chemicals that are used to

630
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: process a lot of that. They're going to be the

631
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: ones that are going to be indicted for causing most of.

632
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: The disease, I believe.

633
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: And so processed foods, yeah, absolutely, And I think that

634
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: if you look at who are the healthiest people in

635
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: the US, it's not the ones that are injecting themselves

636
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: with every imaginable amino acid or peptide that they can find.

637
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: It's the eighty year old that's lived on her Hoffy

638
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: farm her entire life and she is doing nothing but

639
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: locally sourced foods. Like that's who is the most healthy.

640
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: And so I think that if you could say to

641
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: that alien, your best bet at living healthy is it

642
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: go find an acre and a half and be able

643
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: to grow what you want to eat and be able

644
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: to local outsource the rest.

645
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: Mm.

646
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people don't really understand what processed food is,

647
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Like we say that term a lot. Yeah, but like

648
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: I heard it described one time of like you need

649
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: to get the bulk of your calories from single ingredient foods. Absolutely,

650
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Like I mean like a ritz cracker is is a

651
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: processed food. Cereal is processed food. I mean, clearly, all

652
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: the sugary things are processed food. Pasta is processed food.

653
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's now you could have some healthier kind

654
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: of pasta that had you know, like some good good

655
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: wheat flour or whatever. But I think sometimes people I

656
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: find that because misty years ago as what got us,

657
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: and we don't we'll go out to eat and eat

658
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: fried food and have a big time. So I'm not

659
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: like a purist when it comes to food. But at

660
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: our house when when we eat, we try to eat

661
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: whole foods and and and I think it's I think

662
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: it's kept us relatively healthy. And I find that I

663
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: don't know people people are so prone to want to

664
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: celebrate and eat like four nights a week. There's a

665
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: reason to like have a have a I don't know,

666
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I'm kind of jumping around, but this

667
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: is this is something I think about because something I

668
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: had to overcome. I would have grown up in a

669
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: family that would have just been a very typical like

670
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: Southern American family.

671
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: I think when you asked me earlier about why do

672
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: you think we're so obesi, I think that's part of it.

673
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: You know, Like some of the times I get patients

674
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: and ass like how do I lose weight, and I

675
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: say eat like you're a nomad, not every day that

676
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: you're going to kill a buffalo and be able to

677
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 3: eat until you don't want to anymore. Like some days

678
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: go hungry. It's okay to go to bed a little

679
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: bit hungry today, because I think that we are just

680
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: constantly our bodies never get a chance to basically reset.

681
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: I've been reading into a lot about fasting that I

682
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: think that there is a huge component to do in

683
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: a three day fast, and then there's certain conditions that

684
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: keep you from doing that. So I don't throw that

685
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: out there to a type one diabetic and say, oh,

686
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: you should consider a three day fast. There's other things,

687
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: but I think that if people would fast more regularly,

688
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: I think that you would see autoimmune disease go way

689
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: down because I think that it fasting helps helps our

690
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: immune system kind of reset itself. And so I think

691
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: the access to food, the amount of food that we have,

692
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: is really what's driving a lot of our health in it.

693
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: And I just think that the amount of food we

694
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: eat and what we eat, if people could just get

695
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: control of that, and this is something I'm working on.

696
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean like that I'm thinking about every day. I

697
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: think about it every day because I want to be

698
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 2: able to walk up a mountain when I'm seventy period.

699
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: That's why that's what I want to do. And uh,

700
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: I think if we controlled our portions and just took

701
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: out as much possible sugar as you can, I mean,

702
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty militant about sugar. Uh, And people all around me,

703
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: including Josh Spilmakers, sometimes.

704
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm getting thrown under the bus.

705
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: No, you're actually not bad about sugar. I was just

706
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: I can be. There's I can be that.

707
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: Honestly, that's something I have to really manage too. And

708
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: that's this last year has been real important to me

709
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: to to like I have sugar maybe a couple times

710
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: a month now, Like maybe on a weekend I might

711
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: have something, but it's.

712
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Just always a reason to celebrate. Like there's just true

713
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: it's three times a week. I'm somewhere where people are like, man,

714
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: let's have ice cream, let's let's let's have some pie.

715
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and there's a reason where I'm at a

716
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: birthday party, or I'm it's at at that you know

717
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: it's it's New Year's or and you start adding up

718
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: all you know, you go through a calendar year and

719
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: you're like, there was one hundred and twenty days that

720
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: it was worth, you know, having a bowl of ice

721
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: cream or a piece of pie. And it's like that

722
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: goes back to this mentality of bucking the trends, like

723
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't I have to really monitor that because I'll

724
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. You just can't bend everywhere. And a

725
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: man has to make a decision in his life of

726
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: what kind of man he's going to be, you know.

727
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you just have to and if you have

728
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: a goal, and please don't hear me, I am preaching

729
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 2: because this this and I'd rarely talk about like I said,

730
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm not Cam Haignes like showing myself like do fittness

731
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: stuff on the net, which I love, Camp Go Cam.

732
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: But I think about this every single day of my life.

733
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: And it's it's a major thing. And it has to

734
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: be or or you when you're fifty, when you're sixty,

735
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: when you're forty, you'll be overweight, you'll be out of

736
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: the game. Yep, you won't be able that you won't

737
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: have the energy to walk up the mountain. You want

738
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: to have the energy. And it's not just about honey,

739
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to make it all about honey. I

740
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: want to be healthy for my family. I want to

741
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: be the best I can be for them. I want

742
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: to be We talked about this before we started, but

743
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: I think that a core component, not the most important thing,

744
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: but a component of having a healthy spiritual life is

745
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: taken care of what the Bible calls our temple. Yeah,

746
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, and I believe that. I believe, you know.

747
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: It's like we get this shell of flesh and bone

748
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: that we is ours too steward, you know, And it's

749
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: I take that serious as a as a spiritual tenant,

750
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: just like you know, I got to take care of

751
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: this thing. And I just I just think people have

752
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: to grind out whatever works for them, because what works

753
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: for Josh probably won't work for me. Is that what

754
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: you find?

755
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean, it's uh, we're as individual as anything,

756
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: and it is It's funny how some medicines will work

757
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: great for other people and not work great for the

758
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: next person coming in. And so if you're not you know,

759
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: sitting down with your doctor, uh, or if you're not

760
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: sitting down with yourself and going okay, man, what's worked

761
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: and what hasn't In developing that plan, Man, do that

762
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: take the time invest in say, invest in your health.

763
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean that's really a key statement, is that if

764
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: you don't invest in it, because it is a investment

765
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: in time, it's an investment of your resource. But your

766
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: health is the that's what you got. And when it's gone,

767
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: it's gone. You know, you're never too late to start

768
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: trying to get healthier. But there's a there's a there's

769
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: a clock ticking, and I look at you know, I

770
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: see so many people that say I didn't know how

771
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: bad I felt until I felt good again. And I

772
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: watched my own dad. He struggled with obesity and he

773
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: ended up hate He got a gastric bypass. Feels great

774
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: now God's on the White River trout fishing. But before

775
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: that he would say, man, I just don't think I'm

776
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: gonna go I'm not gonna go hunting to day. I

777
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: don't feel like it. You tell me how good it was,

778
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: you know. And so when I think that is what

779
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: happens to a lot of people is they just kind

780
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: of quit doing things gradually over time, and then whenever

781
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: they finally get to an inflection point of going, either

782
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna die like this or I gotta do something different.

783
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: When they do something different and make a decision and

784
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: they get back to living man, they go I did

785
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: not really realize how bad it was until I felt good.

786
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: It's a big deal.

787
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: Is there in your practice with men? Is there what

788
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: would you say would be the I don't know. Is

789
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: there is there like one thing that would be like

790
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: the the most common thing that would be And I

791
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: know it's not necessarily like a specific medical condition, but

792
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: or maybe it is, but what what what would be

793
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: the one one thing that would stand out to you

794
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: in your practice with men?

795
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: When I see men and they're complaining, mostly forty five

796
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: years even seen it earlier, there's something. I'm fatigue, I

797
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: don't feel good, my libidos down, and I have zero motivation.

798
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: It's almost always going to be tied to obesity and

799
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: sleep atna mm hmm. Like when I when I tell

800
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: you so, I my wife and kids try to tell

801
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: me for a pretty good while that I had snored.

802
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: I was turkey hunting down on the buffalo with my

803
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: son and he videoed me, got my phone video me,

804
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: and he said that I just need you to see

805
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: how bad it is. And when I watch that I thought,

806
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: my gosh, that's pathologic, like it was terrible. So I

807
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: got to sleep study God on a seapat. My wife

808
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: says I should sleep with it more, but I try

809
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: to do pretty good. But man, when I do sleep

810
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: with that thing, I wake up that next morning going,

811
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: my gosh, I love morning.

812
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: You feel.

813
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: I feel good because I didn't snore all night and

814
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: I actually got restored of sleep. And I think that

815
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: there is so much obesity that plagues men. Even if

816
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: it's twenty or thirty pounds, which isn't a lot, it's normal,

817
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: you know. But if it's twenty or thirty pounds, as

818
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: you get older, man, that becomes more and more of

819
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: an issue. On that post to your farnex and breathing

820
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: in your airway, collapsing and making you wake up multiple

821
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: times through the night and you don't even know you

822
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: woke up, right, You just get up in the morning.

823
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 3: You're just like, man, my eyes are burning, my brain

824
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: doesn't start till ten am. And man, it's sleep out

825
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: in you.

826
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: And I see why would not to get into your

827
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: mad little personal history. But let's do this. Uh, why

828
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: why do you have your your fit healthy guy? Yeah,

829
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: that's I'm surprised that you would have to use the

830
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: sea patterns.

831
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean I wasn't always I was.

832
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: Uh.

833
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: And I started graduating med school is actually going to

834
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: be a general surgeon. And I gained probably fifty pounds.

835
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: Used to race bicycles like rode bikes all the time.

836
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that I have an article on

837
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated dot com.

838
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: But you do, but I do.

839
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: You should google it. And I beat Lance Armstrong up

840
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: a hill. Uh, and he gave me kudos on Strava.

841
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: And we've been serious huns. Oh you should we should

842
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: have started with this.

843
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh why didn't?

844
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you should start conversations with this, like beat

845
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: Lance Armstrong up one hill.

846
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: It's fine. He has one testicle too, and.

847
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that in a minute.

848
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

849
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: And he's done some you know, cool things. But I

850
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: think really all comes down to it ended up being

851
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: I got treated for low test austroom, probably from bicycle

852
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: racing because I probably sat on a hard box seat

853
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: for six hours at a time in one hundred and

854
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: eighteen eary weather. I think that's I had low tea

855
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: and part of that even could have been sleep Avenue

856
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: so I treated with t worse in my sleep avenue,

857
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: and I think that's eventually why why I had it.

858
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: But and I think just overtime to me. Look, I'm

859
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: one ninety five, but my BMI says I probably need

860
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: to be one eighty five, and it's our last ten pounds.

861
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: It plagues everybody. But yeah, you know, but I think

862
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: that when you that sleep ATNUE kicked in, whether genetic

863
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: or whether I'm just you know, was prone to it,

864
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: I felt terrible, like I didn't know how bad I

865
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: felt until I felt good.

866
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: Well. See, that's the thing that I think it would

867
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: be a little confusing, is if you're just so used

868
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: to something, how to you even know? I mean, I

869
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: guess you just know when it gets bad.

870
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: I think that you do. And I think that when

871
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: people show up and I've really been kind of preaching,

872
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: but when people show up and they're like, man, I

873
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: think I have a sleep at you they're at they're

874
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 3: ten years into this, like they've driven their body down

875
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: so hard they can't stay awake at a stoplight anymore,

876
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 3: you know. And I think that that's when it's that's

877
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: why it's it's very worse, and people seek treatment. I

878
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: think it starts way before then, and.

879
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: So how could you be producticed specifically with that?

880
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: I think you ask yourself a question when I wake up?

881
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 3: Do I feel good? Like does it take me now

882
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: three cups of coffee where it used to only take one?

883
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: And does my my waking up with a headache?

884
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Ever?

885
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: Are my eyes and my mouth just dry as a beat?

886
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: You know? And I think those are the questions that

887
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: you start asking yourself, is, man, do I actually feel

888
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: good when I wake up? And if your answer is like, yeah,

889
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: I feel okay, like after a good night's sleep, you

890
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: shouldn't wake up just feeling yeah, okay, like wake up

891
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: feeling pretty good, Like let's go.

892
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: M You know, the older I get and the more

893
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: I've learned about yeah, the more I realize how important

894
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: it is. There was a time in my life when

895
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: I thought sleep was for you know, what you do

896
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: when you were dead? And what wasn't prioritized? Man? Now,

897
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: I mean I view trying to get a solid eight

898
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: hours of sleep. It's like a vital component of long

899
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: term health.

900
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's not always eight hours too, like people

901
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: will have the different It could be six hours for

902
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: some nine hours for the other they did a study

903
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: on medical doctors that whenever they go through residency, so

904
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: after you graduate med school you either go to train

905
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: in internal medicine or family or general surgery or whatever,

906
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: that after four years of residency that you can look

907
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: at genetic changes and see something called telomeres, which are

908
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: the protective ends of genes. That telomere is shortened as

909
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: you age. That a period of time when you get

910
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: relatively very little sleep, we age ten years and what

911
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: other people on the age three?

912
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: Wow wow.

913
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: And that's where you see the importance of regular sleep

914
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: is that if you're not getting that on a regular basis,

915
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: you're one affecting how you feel.

916
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Wow wow. And that's long term stuff too. Yeah yeah, yeah,

917
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: Now can you get that back, like like if you

918
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: can just slow it down, just slow it down.

919
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: No, you can't rebuild that teemere lenk at all. And

920
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: that's why I mean, if you look at a lot

921
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: of doctors, man, they quit, they die like or they

922
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: die while working.

923
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 4: M You know, I had a sleep study done last

924
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: year because I've snored for years and uh it uh

925
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: discovered some some stuff about I mean this it's not

926
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 4: always just because of you know you have apne because

927
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 4: you have apne like I've got a deviated septum. I've

928
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 4: got a small palette. And literally I didn't I didn't

929
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: even have to do a seapat but I got a

930
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 4: what they call a night guard or and I just

931
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 4: wear this thing looks like in visil lines and it

932
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: is like I used to.

933
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: St your mouth closed.

934
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: It keeps your jaw pushed forward and opens your airway

935
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: up and just I mean literally like a like less

936
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: than like teeth, like go further ye your most pushes

937
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: your bottom jaw. And it's changed my sleep. I mean,

938
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 4: I from going from snoring like excessively to barely a

939
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 4: snore every now and then. Just yeah, and it I mean,

940
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: it's just these simple things. And you know it might

941
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: not be a full seapap machine that you have, but

942
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: get get checked out. Reason it checked out.

943
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: You said something a minute ago that made me think

944
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 2: of this. In in my world, I know a lot

945
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: of really rural men, guys that live in the backwoods

946
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: and just do not want to go to the doctor.

947
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: Yep.

948
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: And so many people that I know waited too long

949
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 2: to go to the doctor and uh and and either

950
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: died or nearly died. I'm thinking of two guys right

951
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: now that basically there's some part of the I don't know,

952
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: just the independent, like tough American male image that like,

953
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: I don't need to go to a doctor. Like that

954
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: phrase feels good coming out of my mouth. I don't

955
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: need to go to a doctor. I mean that it's

956
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: funny to me. It does. It's it's and I know

957
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: it's wrong, but it like it feels like something of

958
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not weak. Doctors are for weak people.

959
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. It's bizarre, but but you know, like, uh,

960
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: one of one of my dear friends, UH had ended

961
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: up with pancreatic cancer. And it could have just been

962
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: taking it could have been screen he could have gone

963
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: to screenings from the time he was forty five or

964
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: fIF he just never did. I mean, the man didn't

965
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: go to the doctor for twenty years and finally started

966
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: having symptoms and all this stuff, and and he went

967
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: and it was like way too late, yep, and it

968
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: had major problems that the God's still alive, but life

969
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: altering issues. And the older I get and I still

970
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: see this happening, I just want to tell people, you know,

971
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: get a doctor. Go to the doctor. Just do the stuff.

972
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: If you love your family, if you want to have longevity,

973
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: you just got to do the stuff.

974
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I think that it's important to find a

975
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: doctor that'll actually just listen to you for a minute second.

976
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: You know.

977
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: I think that you talk about that one who doesn't

978
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: want to go the doctor, Well, that's because they either

979
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 3: one they're afraid of what they're going to find.

980
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: Probably fear based.

981
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: Fear based, you know. And then I tell people, Look,

982
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: you pay me for my advice, and that's it, Like

983
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: you don't have to take my advice. It's not like

984
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: like this is it's a shared decision. But what you

985
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 3: and doctors are kind of you know, when we fight

986
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: against Google a lot, now we're fighting against chat GPT

987
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: and using it even in our own practices. But I

988
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: do think that man find a doctor that's willing to

989
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: hear you out and make decisions together that because it's

990
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: not a one size fits all, And that's what I hate.

991
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: We were talking about this earlier, Josh about cholesterol. Look,

992
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: we've all seen a person who's got a terrible cholesterol

993
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: and they lived, you know, they're like terrible colesterol. I lived,

994
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: though you know, I'm still alive at ninety and you

995
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: have some people that have okay cholesterol and they die

996
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 3: of a heart attack. Why is that? I think that's all.

997
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: It's all individually based. And I think having someone that

998
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: you trust to tell how you really feel, because I

999
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: think that's another important part too, Clay, is that if

1000
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: you're yeah, I feel good, I'm fine. I had a

1001
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: guy the other day and he'd be finally telling the story.

1002
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: I've been taking care of him for ten years and USA,

1003
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: many's still doing what you want to do. And I

1004
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: was just looking at him because I've asked him that

1005
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: question every three months for ten years, and I watched

1006
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: him squam his eyes and shrug his shoulders just a

1007
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: little bit. He said, I'm dying. I'm fine, And I said, dude,

1008
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: I have asked you that question for the last ten

1009
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: years and you've never answered me like that. We had

1010
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: him in the cath lab within two or three days

1011
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: and he had another stint put in and totally revascularize

1012
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: and he's like feeling great and doing everything that he

1013
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: wants to do now. And so part of having that

1014
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: relationship is a doctor who goes, why'd you answer like that?

1015
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 3: You know, and I mean that continuity of just even

1016
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: if you're feeling okay, just go in and check in,

1017
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 3: because I promise you he was feeling okay multiple times

1018
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: for the last ten years when I asked him that,

1019
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: and it just took once for me to be like,

1020
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: hey man, what's up. And so I think even finding

1021
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: a somewhat you trust in that you're just you're continually

1022
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: going to on a regular basis. I think he's really important.

1023
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: That's some good doctrine. Yeah, it is, that'd be that'd

1024
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: be like, yep, I'd be like killing a big buck.

1025
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: That story for him.

1026
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: That's like he and his doctor buddies get around. He's like, yeah,

1027
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: the other day, you know, I had a guy come

1028
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: in and.

1029
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: I can't say that I haven't bragned a little.

1030
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: No, that's really that's really good. But it's it's hard.

1031
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: Just like I said, I was driving four hours to

1032
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: a doctor. And not to say that there's not wonderful

1033
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: doctors that I'm unaware of sure that are close that

1034
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know you being one of them until recently.

1035
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the medical system the way it is.

1036
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: It's hard to find. It's hard to find somebody that

1037
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: will really give you attention that you feel like you need.

1038
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: And it's not doctor's faults. It's the systems.

1039
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1040
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things at play.

1041
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you know, doctor McColl alluded to you know,

1042
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 4: we talked about screening. Don't ignore stuff to you know,

1043
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 4: for me, you know, I back in two thousand and eight,

1044
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: I had a stomach ache and within a matter of

1045
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 4: day is that stomach ache revealed itself to be testicular

1046
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: cancer and uh went from from ouch, my tummy hurts

1047
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: to having surgery and spending three months doing chemotherapy and uh,

1048
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 4: I mean it's just like it's not worth it. Don't

1049
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: ignore it.

1050
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: So Josh is a cancer survivor.

1051
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: I am a cancer survivor.

1052
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: What did it? What did it feel like? When you like,

1053
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: what what were you?

1054
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 4: Did?

1055
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 2: You kind of described it, but literally I.

1056
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: Was like thirty two years old. I was thirty two

1057
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: years old at the time, and.

1058
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: Can you we do something for me? Kind of kind

1059
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: of dull this story up a little bit, like like

1060
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: tell me like like I was at the speak of

1061
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: my life and I was, honestly, honestly, I was. You're

1062
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: a bike rider.

1063
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: My early thirties. I was in my early thirties. I

1064
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 4: was working in the construction business. And I've I've always

1065
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: been the kind of guy that, you know, I wanted

1066
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: to be the guy who could just work all day long.

1067
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: I could lift whatever I needed to lift. I could,

1068
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So, you know, I felt

1069
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: I felt pretty good, you know, and there was a

1070
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: bit of invincibility that you feel at that age, you

1071
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 4: know that we talked about conquering. Yeah, And I was

1072
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: working in the construction business. I'd driven up to Saint

1073
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 4: Louis from here and and uh had unloaded a whole

1074
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff off off a truck, and you know,

1075
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 4: and and my stomach started hurting. I came back. It's

1076
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 4: like a stomach ache, just like just pain, pain in

1077
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: my lower stomach. And I wondered, like it started getting

1078
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: worse and worse and got so bad to the point

1079
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: where I cut my trip short and came home, went

1080
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: to see my doctor. And my doctor, you know, I

1081
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 4: thought maybe I'd gotten a hernia, especially after lifting all

1082
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: that stuff. And he's like, you don't seem to have

1083
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 4: a hernia. Get some blood work done. The blood work

1084
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 4: was inconclusive, he said, I want you to get a

1085
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 4: CT scan. And that was the moment where it where

1086
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: for me it was like, that's for sick people. Now

1087
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 4: why it's sick?

1088
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: Why did he want Why would he have wanted to

1089
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: see T scan? Do you would you know why he'd

1090
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: do that?

1091
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you were a lot of times you'll

1092
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: get somatic pain before you get pain. That's actually where

1093
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: it's located. So you can get this pain like around

1094
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: your belly button that's dull achy or something like that,

1095
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it moves to your

1096
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: right lower quadal. Well that's appendicitis. So you get this parasle.

1097
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: Well that's what I thought it was. I thought it

1098
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 4: might have been appendicitis, but it was the wrong side.

1099
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 4: And so I went and got a set scan and

1100
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 4: it was on a Friday, Friday morning, and the radiologist

1101
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 4: is like, well, your doctor will probably get back with

1102
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 4: you by monday. You know, it's the weekend. My doctor

1103
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,479
Speaker 4: calls me thirty minutes later and says, the lymph nodes

1104
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: in your pelvis are twice the size that they should be.

1105
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: I want you to go see urologist. I go see

1106
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 4: the eurologist. So you're like that day that that was

1107
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 4: on a Friday. I went on Monday. Were you still

1108
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: hurting that whole weekend? No? No, the pain it's pretty

1109
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: much subsided. But I went to see the urologist and uh,

1110
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: he's an interesting guy. But he comes busting in the

1111
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 4: door and he says, mister and missus Spilmmaker, I'm not

1112
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 4: gonna paint a rosy picture for you. I'm ninety five

1113
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: percent certain that you've got testicular cancer and we need

1114
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: to do surgery to remove your testicle. When are you free?

1115
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: It was like wow. I was like, well, it's kind

1116
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: of something you clear your schedule for, you know, you

1117
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 4: don't say, well maybe next month.

1118
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Man, let me look at my exactly.

1119
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: So, I mean, within a matter of just a few days,

1120
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: I was having surgery and you know, it was stage three.

1121
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: So I actually had a tumor in the base of

1122
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: my neck. It had metastasized all the way up and

1123
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: so you know, ended up having to do some really

1124
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: really heavy chemotherapy. And I will say, like doing chemotherapy

1125
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 4: like that, I don't wish on my worst enemy. It

1126
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: is miserable. But within a couple of weeks, even that

1127
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: tumor in the base of my neck was gone, and thankfully,

1128
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 4: the glory to the Lord. Within within three months, was

1129
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: declared cancer free, like not not in remission, completely cancer free.

1130
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: And so but it's you know, there's just things that

1131
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: you there were signs, there were early signs that probably

1132
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 4: I could have avoided that. Now I didn't know and

1133
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 4: know better. But if I wasn't going to the doctor,

1134
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: you know, financially, I couldn't just go to the doctor

1135
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 4: whenever I.

1136
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: Wanted to exactly health insurance.

1137
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: Exactly, so I avoided the doctor. I was one of

1138
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 4: those guys that just avoided that, not because I was

1139
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 4: scared of it, thought it for weak people. I just

1140
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 4: couldn't afford it. But there were there could have been ways,

1141
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and you just you just two.

1142
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: That's the surprise exactly. I mean, like testicular cancer is.

1143
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: That it's a pretty common timeframe for you.

1144
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 4: That it's it's it's a it's a rare kind of cancer,

1145
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 4: but that cancer is prevalent in that age group.

1146
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: Really Okay, okay, wow.

1147
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: Anyway, so get checked out. I'm gonna keep saying it,

1148
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 4: get checked out.

1149
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: Get checked out, you know, But it's that kind of

1150
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: that even you being as vulnerable as what you are

1151
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 3: on a podcast about testicular cancer. Man, there's some dude

1152
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: out there right now that's going you know what, I

1153
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: feel that I need to go get checked out. And

1154
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: it's people that me telling me a time that when

1155
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: you hadn't been honest and open about where you're at,

1156
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: that hadn't changed somebody's life.

1157
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I mean I appreciate that.

1158
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: Man, there's some dude out there that's gonna be likes

1159
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: a little maker story.

1160
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of a wonder that you've been on the

1161
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: podcast this long and we hadn't talked about that.

1162
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: We talked about it with Rich Throning a little bit.

1163
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: You're right, we did. Usually I introduced Josh as my

1164
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: my friend with you know, only.

1165
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 4: He walks around in circles because he's a little heavy

1166
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: on one side.

1167
00:59:47,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: Uh what about testosterone? That's a big that's a big.

1168
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, I'm a big believer in testosterone therapy. Primary

1169
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: people are like, you know what if it naturally goes

1170
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: down with age, we know that, why should you replace it?

1171
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, in nineteen hundred, you were

1172
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: dying at fifty from a gunshot wound or dysentery. It's

1173
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: like you didn't need it, but you know, now we're

1174
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: living until we're eighty five. We want to feel good.

1175
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: And so there's so many times people chase this. You know,

1176
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: I was talking to Josh, butir this total testosterone number.

1177
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: You know, I want it to be nine hundred and

1178
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: ninety five, And you're like why because that makes zero

1179
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: difference in how you might feel. So a lot of

1180
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: times we're checking free testosterone shbgs, you know, estrogen and

1181
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: all that, because every individual is different. And while one

1182
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: person may make a lot of something that binds testosterone

1183
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: and you do need that high number, you may not

1184
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: need that, but if you do need it and you're low, man,

1185
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: it is a game changer when you get treated. Just

1186
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: you see it with energy and the ability to recover

1187
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: differently after after you work out or after you clown

1188
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: that mountain. Uh, it's a it's a game changer.

1189
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: What about the dangers of it? Like like I've heard,

1190
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, if you get on a bunch of testosterone,

1191
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: your testicles shrink and they quit producing. I don't know

1192
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: if this is true. This is just like what I

1193
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: probably read on a meme on Instagram. Your your your

1194
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: testicle shrink, they quit producing testosterone naturally and you become

1195
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: dependent on you know, this additive testosterone. Is that true?

1196
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 3: So I think that if you if you treat super therapeutically,

1197
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: absolutely it's true.

1198
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 4: You show me what that means.

1199
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 3: Super therapeutically means that you are going above therapeutic level,

1200
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 3: so you're not checking that free testosterone and you're treating

1201
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: where your body now has.

1202
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: Like a guy that was actually just trying to get

1203
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: like is just.

1204
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: You know, getting ripped for his bodybuilding competition, you know.

1205
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: And so he's got normal testosterone, but he wants it higher,

1206
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,959
Speaker 2: he wants it higher, but you start adding to test

1207
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: this this artificial testosterone. Yeah, absolutely, that's not healthy. That's

1208
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: not healthy.

1209
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: So that shuts down what we call your HPA hor

1210
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: you're have a ganadol access essentially where you're not making testosterone.

1211
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: You shut down the petitary part of the glend that's

1212
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: making F, S, H and l A. It goes into

1213
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: you know, a whole feedback. But once once they're done,

1214
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 3: they're done, they shrink up. It's over. You know, you

1215
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: can sometimes you can, you can kind.

1216
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 4: Of like if you get to that point, there's no

1217
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 4: recovery there.

1218
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're usually doing testosterone for life. Oh wow, Okay,

1219
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: people say, well, you know I do it, so I

1220
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: have to take it forever, you know, if I get

1221
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: on it, I'm well, I mean, if you want to

1222
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: feel good, like your testosterone didn't just get low and

1223
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's going to come back up.

1224
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: And sometimes it can. There's not you know, and that's

1225
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: not a fair statement to say that's always a case.

1226
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: But if you're you know, forty five or fifty in,

1227
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: your testosterone is naturally decline. And it's not from from obesity,

1228
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: it's not from excess alcohol intake. It's not from you know,

1229
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 3: doing Roy's back when you played football, you know, d queen.

1230
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: Uh And by no hint of imagination, was that related

1231
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: to doctor Lofton?

1232
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 4: Who is ripped?

1233
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: Who is?

1234
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean? Have you that dude is in shape? When

1235
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: I had a coffee with him, he told me about

1236
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: his bicycle riding and what he was doing.

1237
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: He is the most active man I know.

1238
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 3: He honestly, I like went home wrote in my journal,

1239
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: like be like doctor Lofton, Mike.

1240
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 4: He's putting it on a T shirt. Oh yeah, you

1241
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 4: like my doctor Lofton.

1242
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: I think I've got a great doctor Lawton story. But

1243
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: we got to finish this testosterone and so.

1244
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: But you know, you get on testosterone, well if you

1245
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: get off of it, well it's going to go back

1246
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: down to being low. And so do you need it

1247
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: for the rest of your life? You don't need it?

1248
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 3: Need it like you can still survive without it. Do

1249
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 3: you want to feel good and have muscle mass and

1250
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: be able to recover after you work out or you

1251
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: go hunting and dragon one hundred and sixty two inch

1252
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: deer out of the woods.

1253
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: That's right, Absolutely you do.

1254
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: And so as you just as you get older, that

1255
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: that's gonna naturally decline.

1256
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of ways. What I learned, uh,

1257
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: and I talked to you about this, yeah, was if

1258
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: you are low, there's a lot of things you can

1259
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: naturally do that probably will fix it absolutely. I mean

1260
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: like adding muscle yep, uh, what what else can I

1261
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: think that?

1262
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: You know? Obviously, many eating diet, a diet that's that's

1263
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: gonna be good for muscle mass, some more protein, less

1264
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: less phytoestrogens and things like that that suppress so anything.

1265
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 3: A lot of times many I work cattle with some

1266
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: with one of my friends one day and I was like,

1267
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 3: what are you putting it in its ear? Like progesterone? Well,

1268
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 3: I was like, why, it's because they're increasing water weight.

1269
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: Sell sell barn, Like that's why they're doing it. And

1270
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: God bless him. He's still a great guy. And I

1271
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: don't know if he's still doing progestone or not in

1272
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: his cattle. But I mean, there's a big, big component

1273
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 3: in that that other hormones that we're getting from outsourced

1274
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: foods are really affect and how much testosterone your body's making.

1275
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: Is it true that the average testosterone across men in

1276
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: America is way lower than it would have been in

1277
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: like the forties, fifties, sixties.

1278
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, because OBC plays a huge role on into

1279
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: that too. Okay, so because you have made.

1280
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: That's some of the weirdest stuff I've ever heard. And

1281
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was really true. But like

1282
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: the average testosterone level of a man today is I

1283
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: don't know, is it is half of what it would

1284
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: have been. I've heard that said, I don't know if

1285
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: it's true.

1286
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 3: I think that there's reason that you're that we're seeing

1287
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 3: that there's a little bit confounding too. It is because

1288
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: we're drawing more of them, right, Like before, why were

1289
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: we drawing so much testosterone? Well now everybody's gone, I

1290
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: don't feel good and it's kind of the in vogue thing,

1291
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: but it really does.

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01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: We just know so like we just know more about it.

1293
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: So I think it's an information availability.

1294
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so was that I mean, could you do

1295
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: a testosterone test back in the thirties and forties not reliably?

1296
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so maybe maybe it's not even yeah real,

1297
01:05:59,320 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: So I.

1298
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 3: Think that that that's a big portion of it is

1299
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: that the data available is just better data.

1300
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe that's not entirely true, but no, you know,

1301
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 2: And I the more I learn about maintaining a healthy weight,

1302
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: adding muscle mass, getting good sleep, and having healthy levels

1303
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: of testosterone not not crazy, just inside the realm of

1304
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: healthy because there's like when you get a test, it's

1305
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: like four hundred to nine hundred, and if you're inside

1306
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: of that, like you know, it's all.

1307
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 3: I think that's where it can get so over generalized.

1308
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: I think it's what symptoms are you having if you're.

1309
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: Do you feel good at somebody might feel really great

1310
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: at four fifty and they're like perfect, But somebody else

1311
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: at four fifty might actually absolutely need they need to

1312
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: be running six hundred or something absolutely. Yeah.

1313
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 4: So it's sometimes you need testosterone when half your testosterone

1314
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 4: makers are gone.

1315
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: Man, you gotta work, probably need to sleep more, probably, But.

1316
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: I think it's a huge deal. And I mean, the

1317
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: FDA and I just took off a lot of black

1318
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: box warnings associated with hormone replacement therapy. Really, and so

1319
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: I think.

1320
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 2: The worst thing that's good?

1321
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 4: Do you?

1322
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: Yep?

1323
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: I do? I think especially. I know we're right here

1324
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 3: talking about women, but I see a lot of women,

1325
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: and we did a huge disservice to women for the

1326
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: last twenty four years by not being willing to do

1327
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: hormone replacement therapy. Yeah, and so I think that new

1328
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: data has come out. I think that that women are

1329
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: going to start feeling a lot better than what they

1330
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: have if they've got a doctor willing to jump in

1331
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 3: and look at it again.

1332
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that Misty has told me that

1333
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: what we know about men's health is often like so

1334
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: much more historically has been kind of more research than

1335
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: women's health. Is that true?

1336
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 3: And I think that there was a big study done

1337
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one called the Women's Health Initiative

1338
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: that really kind of pave the way for what would

1339
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: happen the next twenty three years in medicine. And now

1340
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 3: I think that, Man, there's so much and just the

1341
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: data availability, the ease of data capturing. I think now

1342
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 3: we're able to start really diving in to population specific

1343
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 3: data and make decisions off of them, so where we

1344
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 3: haven't had that before. Man, having these big databases of

1345
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 3: studies and every amount of side effect and every data

1346
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: is tied to a tag essentially that's submitted to registries.

1347
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: If people are assigned up for that. I mean, you

1348
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: can get a lot of a lot of good information

1349
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 3: just by a query.

1350
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: Josh, do you have any other specific questions?

1351
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 4: Man, I don't think so. I think we've we've covered

1352
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff that I was interested in.

1353
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,440
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think, well, well, go ahead.

1354
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: I want to give you an opportunity to kind of

1355
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: just say whatever you want at the at the end

1356
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: of the podcast. But I want to exhort people too

1357
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: to make to make some serious decisions about the way

1358
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: you're going to treat your health. In twenty twenty six,

1359
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's we have so much data,

1360
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: we have so much knowledge. To be reckless with your

1361
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: health is just it's just kind of reckless and reckless

1362
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: to me. And I'm saying this not as like a

1363
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: preacher from a pulpit. I'm saying this as these are

1364
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: things I tell myself. And again I'm not like the

1365
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: picture of physical fitness, but I work really hard to

1366
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: maintain what I have. And you can't compare yourself to people.

1367
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, to some degree, I guess you do

1368
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: need to get a read of of health of those

1369
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: around you, but I mean, like healthy for me might

1370
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: look a little different than healthy for you. And I'm

1371
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: not trying to be like this jack ripped guy. I

1372
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: mean you might think that, Josh, but uh uh, but

1373
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I'm so I'm so adam at about

1374
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: this because we take care of all these different components

1375
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 2: of our life. But in our culture, for some reason,

1376
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: health is often just like not that big a deal.

1377
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 2: And to me, being unhealthy as being overweight and eating

1378
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: crazy stuff that's gonna kill you. I was in baar

1379
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: Neukemb's truck the other I'm gonna throw baar Nukem under

1380
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: the bus and.

1381
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 4: Who is like one hundred and pounds.

1382
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he took after his mother. I've never been as

1383
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: trim and fit as Bared Oakum. But he had gone

1384
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: camping and he had an ice chest. And then I

1385
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: was going camping in Oklahoma. I was going hunting and

1386
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 2: I like raided his food to see what he had,

1387
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: and he had a jar of jelly which had no

1388
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 2: added sugar and it was like a pretty healthy jelly.

1389
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: And I was looking for peanut butter stuff and he

1390
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: had a jar of the cheapest peanut butter known to man.

1391
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: And I looked at the ingredients and it said peanuts,

1392
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: hydrogenated vegetable oil, sugar, and then just a bunch of filth.

1393
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: And I I almost got mad at him because our

1394
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: whole life, we've eaten like whole peanut butter. And I

1395
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: was like, Baron Nukem, what has he done? He's bringing

1396
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: this peanut butter. That's a funny thing.

1397
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 4: It's like when my mom found the metallica CD in

1398
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 4: my bit.

1399
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: Exactly like that. No, I just in our house, we've

1400
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: just been like stay away from hydrogenated vegetable oils and

1401
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: stuff with added sugar. And my point is obesity, and

1402
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: then just eating crazy food all the time is just reckless.

1403
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: It is, and people do it all the time.

1404
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 3: Many earlier were going through a whole list of things,

1405
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, you could pretty much come do

1406
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: every preventative visit that I do for men age forty

1407
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 3: and over. Because you're looking for help down there, I

1408
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 3: am actually you didn't come down any time you want.

1409
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 5: What if we had we get an honorary m d Well,

1410
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: what if we set it up where it was just like,

1411
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 5: you know, Clay's not a doctor, but he is giving

1412
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 5: out advice in that room over.

1413
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 3: There, let's go. I think people would show up and

1414
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: probably do what you told him to.

1415
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: I could just give them both barrels full. They'd step

1416
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: in and I'd be like, step on that scale way,

1417
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: be like.

1418
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 4: That's what he tells me.

1419
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 2: That would be in my chart and I'd be like,

1420
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: you're way overweight. What have you been eating? Hydrogenated oild

1421
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: peanut butter.

1422
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: That's I'll tell a funny story. It's a deer'sty. I

1423
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 3: think I even sent you. I took my son, both

1424
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 3: sons deer huno. I guess he was six, he's twelve now,

1425
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 3: so six years ago, and we're hunting out in No

1426
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 3: Sage and we were driving back and I said, well, yall,

1427
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: y'all want to hunt tomorrow morning? We didn't seen anything,

1428
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 3: you know, and a six year old and four year

1429
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: old and it's not really hunt anyways, but we're pretending.

1430
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: They said sure. So we were there at King River

1431
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 3: Marble and we turn around and the Dollar General parking lot,

1432
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: and so I guess we have to get some breakfast food.

1433
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: So we went in and bought like two boxes of

1434
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: coffee cakes and gatorade. It seemed like, you know, best

1435
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: idea at the time. So we get up the next

1436
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 3: morning and go and Lucas eats. He's probably four packages.

1437
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, just just burrows them down. So we're, you know,

1438
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 3: after I've carried out everything. We're fifteen minutes late and

1439
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: up in this deer stand and he looked at me.

1440
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: He goes, Dad, I gotta go like that, And I said,

1441
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: so we literally just got here. I'd set out in

1442
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: my first Montana decoy. I was super excited about played

1443
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: the wind right, so I was thinking, and so he goes,

1444
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 3: I said, something, just give it like see if it

1445
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: goes away. You know that urge. He goes all right,

1446
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 3: and five minutes later he's like, I gotta go, and

1447
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 3: I gotta go now. So he opens up there. I

1448
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: hand him a plastic sack and I'm like, here, just

1449
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: put in your bottom and just going out. We can,

1450
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: you know, keep the scent. I mean, I was really thinking,

1451
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, lord. He gets down, he lays the paper

1452
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: you know, or the plastic bag on the around and

1453
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: goes on talking and I was like, oh gosh, you know,

1454
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: this is after he slammed the door, and I'm like,

1455
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 3: there's zero chance we're gonna kill deer. So he goes, hey, Dad,

1456
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: what do I wipe with? But he yells at because

1457
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 3: we're up, you know, eight foot and ten foot in

1458
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: this tree stand and uh, I said, just grab something

1459
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 3: around you. I didn't think there was gonna be any poison,

1460
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: sou mic or anything. And he goes, It's only pine needles,

1461
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: and I was like, so I get down. I stripped

1462
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: down to my bear Hugo's T shirt, my favorite T

1463
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 3: shirt from fav of Arkansas. It's a Hugo's T shirt,

1464
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: and I just sacrifice it. We dig a hole and

1465
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: I we get back up in the in the stand

1466
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: he's sick, so I've got a little grace for him,

1467
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: you know, my buddy, he probably wouldn't have had. But uh, so,

1468
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: long story short, We're sitting there and I about five minutes,

1469
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: I was just ready to leave, you know, because we'd

1470
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 3: eating coffee cakes and drink all the gatorade. Now it's

1471
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 3: you know, smells terrible outside, and I said, boy, was

1472
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 3: why don't we just why don't we just pray that

1473
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: we kill big Buck. So we pray, and I.

1474
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: Mean, let's swing for the I mean, why let's just

1475
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: see what happens.

1476
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: And it wasn't.

1477
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 4: I rattled a little bit.

1478
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't. Five minutes later that Buck came down right

1479
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: to that Montana equal and Luke has got his first

1480
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, good nine point.

1481
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's cool.

1482
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: And just he goes Dad, Praying's kind of like magic,

1483
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: isn't it. And I was like, hey, you'll learn. But

1484
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 3: today it worked, you know, and uh, prayer.

1485
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 4: And coffee kicks. It works every time.

1486
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: So we're driving down to Little Rock to see the

1487
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: man lost for Christmas this year, and we stopped by

1488
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: Casey's and he goes, Dad, let's eat a coffee cake,

1489
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,879
Speaker 3: and man, I ate that and it did the exact

1490
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: same thing to me that it did, and I got

1491
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 3: to relive that that whole story.

1492
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: Did you kill a big buck?

1493
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: I did not kill a big buck, but I made

1494
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: it to litter Rock in time and was able to

1495
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 3: get the job done with that and hurting too bad.

1496
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: But long story short, you go in, don't eat crazy stuff.

1497
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: It had been such a long time that I've ever

1498
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: eaten anything like that.

1499
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: Well that's probably shows that you're actually that's good.

1500
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 3: But man, I'm telling you, you're right on the money.

1501
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 3: Don't eat crazy stuff all the time and you feel better.

1502
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1503
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's this Jason Lofton story? I want to really

1504
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 4: embarrass him.

1505
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: On them Well, it's it's embarrassing only because he's so

1506
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: like put together. So we saw doctor Lofton at a

1507
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: basketball game the other night that they had traveled a

1508
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: long ways either way to go watch not their kid,

1509
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: but someone else's kid that they love play basketball, which

1510
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 2: is a pretty big deal. Brought the whole family go

1511
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: watch this basketball game. I saw him there and I

1512
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 2: was like, I remember asking what he was doing and

1513
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: he he. I mean, they were just traveling all over.

1514
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,839
Speaker 2: They got two kids playing ball.

1515
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,879
Speaker 4: And they go every day and college college ball.

1516
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: Playing college ball. And as we were walking out, Missy

1517
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: and I just we were like, man, they just are

1518
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: so busy. It's wild. They're they're they're just all over,

1519
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, I mean just kind of like how they

1520
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: do it. As we're pulling out of the parking lot,

1521
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: I see Jason like walking real fast towards us under

1522
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: the light. We're pulling out of the parking lot, and

1523
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: he's got in his hand a loaf of a loaf

1524
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 2: of sourdough bread that he had baked, and he was

1525
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: like like trotting through the parking lot waving us down.

1526
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, I have this sour dough bread

1527
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 2: for you that he made in his spare time, in

1528
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: his spare time. Yeah, and just gave us a load,

1529
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: I you know, just like no, yeah, so what a guy.

1530
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

1531
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, our former doctor. Sorry Jason, Sorry, sorry, thank you Jason.

1532
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1533
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1534
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 2: Well anything else in closing doctor McCall.

1535
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: Not at all. I think that if you know your

1536
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: local and need a good doctor, come see us that

1537
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: advanced primary care.

1538
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah ye out Northwest Arkansas. You're in You're in Springdale, Springdown,

1539
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: springdw Yeah. Yeah, well, uh, this is a great this

1540
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: has been a great New Year's podcast. And uh, by

1541
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: the time you listen to this, you will probably know

1542
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: that I killed a giant buck yesterday. Just gonnauch. That

1543
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: just gonna leave it at that.

1544
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: That's it. Foreshadowing, folks.

1545
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like scrolling through my phone trying to find

1546
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 2: people that I haven't texted yet. You know what, you

1547
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: know the feeling have you? Well, I do have.

1548
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: This is another funny story we got time. I don't

1549
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: know sure sure, We're we hunt this year and we've

1550
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 3: been hinding out in my Berryville and we had a

1551
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: really good nine point. I mean he probably scores one

1552
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: forty five, and not for me. That's a really huge deer.

1553
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I had.

1554
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 3: Him almost in bow range and bow season and he

1555
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 3: just never would, never would quarter the right way towards me.

1556
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: And so I told my son, I said, look me,

1557
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 3: you can't kill any there's a twelve point out there.

1558
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 3: There's this one that's got this crazy eye guard. You

1559
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 3: can it's probably got thirteen points. You can kill that.

1560
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't care. But if that nine point walks out,

1561
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm shooting that deer and he goes Okay, deal's a deal, Dad.

1562
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: So he's, well, I don't know. It's probably five thirty

1563
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 3: six o'clock and he goes, hey, I want to take

1564
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 3: quick now, wake me up if a buck comes in,

1565
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 3: and I said that's fair. So you know, he starts

1566
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: just sawing logs and this is that alternative gun season,

1567
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: and he's it's almost dark and I see this big

1568
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 3: buck coming through the woods and I was like, oh buddy,

1569
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 3: So I wake him up and I think it's the

1570
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 3: nine point. He's got a little crab claw on the

1571
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 3: left and I can just see that one side. And

1572
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: I said, Lucas, wake up. Do I think it's a

1573
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: big buck? And he goes, which one is it? I said,

1574
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 3: I think it's the nine And I said, but you

1575
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 3: go ahead and shoot it, and he goes, nope, deal's

1576
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 3: a deal. And I was like, are you sure he

1577
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 3: deals the deals? That buck steps out the ain't just smoke.

1578
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: He just drops right there. So we're all excited. We

1579
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 3: go down and I opened my truck door and I

1580
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 3: see that it is not. In fact, the nine point

1581
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 3: is the one with the crazy eye guard, the one

1582
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 3: that he'd been saying that he wanted to get up

1583
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 3: the entire time, and I said, son, it's not the

1584
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: nine point, it's the other one. That's the only time

1585
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 3: that I didn't not text any of my friends. I

1586
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: felt so bad about killing that deer. I was like,

1587
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: I don't care. I never want to shoot another deer

1588
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 3: if I got a kid with me, because boy, that

1589
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 3: disappointment he felt it was silent.

1590
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: That's a tough story. Man.

1591
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 4: It weighed bunch.

1592
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: Well, he handled it good. I mean did he.

1593
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, he was. He was pulling my truck

1594
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: to the gate and have my phone open and I said, hey, Lucas,

1595
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 3: how do you feel right now? He's like, well, you know,

1596
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 3: it turns out that we had a deal and it

1597
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: was Dad's deer, and then it wasn't. It was the

1598
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 3: one I wanted to kill. He's like, but you know

1599
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 3: what that means. You're tagged out and I get to

1600
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: kill that deer. And I was like, okay, amen, God.

1601
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: That's cool. It sounds like you got a good relationship

1602
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: with your son.

1603
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 3: That's cool, I do man. Cool.

1604
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, Hey, thanks for coming. He appreciate it. Man. We'll

1605
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: do this again.

1606
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1607
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. We'll keep the wild places wild because that's where

1608
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: the bears live, and you got to be fit to

1609
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: go there and get them

1610
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 4: Okay.