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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast, and I wanted to share an episode with

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Speaker 1: the really awesome one. And the reason we're bringing it

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Speaker 1: up is because we recently had Josh Kre on the show,

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Speaker 1: who wrote Need You Now with Lady Annabellum. Now, this

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Speaker 1: song almost never happened, which is crazy. It came out

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Speaker 1: on the country tract, which is pretty unheard of now

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Speaker 1: with them just the way music is, so it's pretty

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Speaker 1: crazy to hear the story of how this song almost

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Speaker 1: never happened. It was literally just a voice memo in

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Speaker 1: their phone, wasn't even gonna be on the album. Dave

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Speaker 1: Haywood talks about that story and also just about how

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Speaker 1: he grew up super smart guy. His dad's a dentist,

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Speaker 1: so really there's a lot of ways his life could

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Speaker 1: have gone outside of being in Lady Otta Bellum. So

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Speaker 1: here we go episode one or three of The Bobby

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Speaker 1: Cast in case you missed it with Dave Heywood. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the episode with Dave Haywood from Lady and You're

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Speaker 1: like the unicorn man, like the magical Unicorn. I've never

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Speaker 1: had a one on one interaction with You're the only

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Speaker 1: one of the three of you guys. Are you nervous?

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Speaker 1: Well a bit. I was a little anxious before you

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Speaker 1: came over because I was talking to Mike. He said, Hey, Mike,

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Speaker 1: who produces this? He said, Hey, you wanna get lady A.

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Speaker 1: I said, I want to get Dave. Look at that. Man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that because I've a small but mighty fan

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Speaker 1: club of us out there. I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 1: in it yet. That's what I've worked with Charles, but

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Speaker 1: that golf show. I mean obviously I know you guys

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Speaker 1: from the superficial. Hey, come in, give you a half

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Speaker 1: a hug and talk about whatever project. You know that

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Speaker 1: that whole part of it. I know Hillary when she

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Speaker 1: I never of you, and I just been The conversation

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Speaker 1: you and I just had was the only one on

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Speaker 1: one conversation we've read. It's again, You're the Unicorn. This

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Speaker 1: is my first podcast ever? Oh is it? Oh, you'll

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Speaker 1: enjoy it because you get to stretch out a bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I like it. I was telling my wife,

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's gonna be nice to just kind

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Speaker 1: of chat and not. No, you only have two minutes,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you've got a role. Even for me

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Speaker 1: doing the radio thing, it's and I get it, talk

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Speaker 1: they know what to expect. But even then, it's seven minutes.

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Speaker 1: Point out, make a funny joke, get in, Let Charles

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Speaker 1: say something. I'm noxious, all right, Hilary's something sweet. Then

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Speaker 1: David says something really smart, and you know, did you

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Speaker 1: just said because it's too musical. So I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: came in. Thank you for having me. Uh So I

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Speaker 1: went to the dinnist today, okay, and I bring this

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Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I mean it's you know, people said like, man,

426
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna work, and you know, we

427
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: were like we we stuck to our guns. It felt

428
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: organic and it felt that's who we were. It's crazy

429
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 1: to the organic nous of just you and Charles actually

430
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 1: knowing each other for that long, much less having working

431
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: relationship with friendship because you brought up the fact that,

432
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle school, to have two people

433
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 1: that are that talented though even in a small town, yeah,

434
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: just as weird. It's almost the outlier effect. You had

435
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: two people that love the same thing, whose personalities happened

436
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: to work compatible, incompatible. What then you came to that

437
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: is the odds of that happening are crazy, it is,

438
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, and and Charles was like, the only person

439
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: that's funny. You bring that up, you bring up good points.

440
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I just remember being in Augusta thinking I

441
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: hear music so different. I just when I hear the

442
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: radio and I hear songs, I hear production. I can't

443
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: even articulate what goes on in my head. There's a

444
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: bazillion things for every track I hear. And I was like,

445
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 1: I just don't No one else understands that. But then

446
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: when I met Charles and we started to kind of

447
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: do some writing and played in bands and did I

448
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: was like, he gets it, man, Like I think he

449
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: here and we when when we started writing together in

450
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: college at the University of Georgia, I was like, Okay,

451
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: we're on the same wavelength. And and it is rare.

452
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, to both come out of the same town. Um,

453
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: it's a weird. The creative brain is just a it's

454
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: a weird thing to explain, you know. I know people

455
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: are always like, how do you write songs? How do

456
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: you come up with ideas how do you do stuff?

457
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard thinking, like asking how do you

458
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: run fast? I mean, which I can't do right well,

459
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I actually run, but it's for me,

460
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, how do you think quick? Yeah? Like I've

461
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: got his gifted me with a talent, and I've learned

462
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: how to take this talent and put it into the

463
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: tunnel and drill it down. But I think we all

464
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: have something that we're right naturally good at. Yeah, and

465
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: then that's the beauty of a talent. Again, like my

466
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: dad told me, I didn't get what a talent was.

467
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see it because it came easy to me.

468
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: I I figured a talent was like something you really

469
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: had to like. I hope this doesn't sound backwards, but

470
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, like something you had to work really hard.

471
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to play sports. I just was not

472
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: good at sports, any of them really, uh, And I

473
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: wanted so bad to be talented at sports, but I

474
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: just wasn't. But music was just easy. I was like, well,

475
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: that's easy. I know exactly what a song. Come on

476
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: the radio. I can mostly tell you what key gets

477
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: in you can you can hear the key? Yeah, pretty

478
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 1: much that came off more that sounded really pretentious as

479
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: I said it, But knowing guitar so well, I just

480
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: know what chords are playing. The thing about podcast, most

481
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: listeners are potentious, So we're all good. We're all the

482
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: same potentious. Anyone's listening to this is elite. If they

483
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: made it the thirty minutes in already, then this is

484
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: the They're even more elite. So you say you and

485
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: jokingly said that you and Charles we're gonna write Hillary's coattails.

486
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: And I don't use the same term. But when you

487
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and Charles came to town, did you just want to

488
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: write for Charles and play for Charles? I did so.

489
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: When we got to town, we were doing pop music. Um,

490
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: he moved to Nashville to do pop music. I moved

491
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: to Nashville to write music. This is I love it

492
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: going back. Man. We moved to Nashville because of Josh Kelly.

493
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: So Charles has Charles has an older brother, Josh Kelly,

494
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: who had a big pop song called Amazing Um, which

495
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: was huge in two thousand three, I think. And so

496
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: he bought a house in Cool Springs and said, dude,

497
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: you guys, man, he's so nice he's so kind. He said,

498
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: y'all kind of Nashville man, you guys have the talent,

499
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: like come and just try to write music. So me

500
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: and Charles moved into his house and Cool Springs together

501
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: under the goal of just writing songs. We wanted to

502
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: be songwriters. Once we got there, Charles and I started

503
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: to write songs together a lot and made a CD

504
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: under his name, to CDs under his name at UM

505
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: at the home studio there, and so yeah, I mean,

506
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: we were doing pop stuff under Charles's name, and we

507
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: travel all around and play coffee shops and really small,

508
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: really small places. We live in your class of moving

509
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: to Nashville, because seems everybody has a class. They all

510
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: moved at the same time and they were my ours

511
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: was around Luke Um, I remember because we were from Georgia.

512
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: So I remember a bunch of my friends from Georgia,

513
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: southern you know, we were going to move to Nashville,

514
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, dude, there's this country guy, you know,

515
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: Luke Bran. Keep an eye out for him. He got

516
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: a record deal about a year before Um we did,

517
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: I believe, And I just remember he was in that

518
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: development deal and record deal around the same time, so

519
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of the Luke Brian era a couple of those people.

520
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean Miranda was before us, um, but yeah, I

521
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: mean Luke was would be probably our It was just

522
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: like both at the same record label, both from Georgia,

523
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: New mutual friends and stuff, moved to Nashville. You and

524
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Charles and one and I get to this in a minute,

525
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: and you talk about my Space and how it was

526
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: such a big part, but you don't even have a

527
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Twitter page, Like social media was such a big part

528
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: of you guys a story, yet you don't have a

529
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: Twitter page and just got on Instagram personally, Yes, Dave

530
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Haywood personally, I know you didn't. But again, there's a

531
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: little bit of beauty to the irony of social media

532
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: being it's such a big part of the story of

533
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: your life and career and now you just aren't not

534
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. I can talk about this for hours.

535
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: You could do a whole another podcast on social media

536
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: for me, I know, computer programming all up really well,

537
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: that was my major in college was um Information Systems Technology.

538
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: That sounds really nerdy for all the listeners out there,

539
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: but I was an m I S. TE major at

540
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: U g A and so study computer programming, so I

541
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: know backwards and forwards Facebook when it came out, and

542
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: social media and what it does and how it operates,

543
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: and I love For a time, I loved being on it,

544
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and our band started doing so much on my Space

545
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: and we did these webisodes once a week. UM. I

546
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: feel like we were on the first people to really

547
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: have a camera out a lot and capture a lot

548
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: of webisodes early on in country music. UM. And so

549
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: that was our main thing. But for me now I

550
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: just kind of kind of pulled back. I mean, just

551
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: there's kind of this thing that happens with me where

552
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: my personality type um anagram nine. For all the Instagram

553
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: listeners out there, my personality type just doesn't do well

554
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: with tons and tons of exposure and critique with my

555
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: personal stuff, you know. So for me, UM, just to

556
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: be completely honest with you, there's just boundaries I have. UM.

557
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: They're healthy boundaries that I've worked through that are best

558
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: for me. UM. I'll share once every few weeks what

559
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing with my family. But for me,

560
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: I have to kind of pull back and I have

561
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: to have those boundaries about things that are private but

562
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: between you know, stuff with our kids and stuff with

563
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: my wife. I don't know. I there's a beauty and

564
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: and letting people walk through a journey with you. I

565
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: really think there's a beauty in that. Um. But for me,

566
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: there's parts of personal life that I just have some

567
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: boundaries with. Personally, I don't document every day what I do. UM.

568
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of enjoy. I feel pressure. My personality

569
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: type feels the pressure to perform um if I have

570
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: to know that every single day I've got an instant

571
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: story Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and know what I'm doing is

572
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: really really awesome every day. My personality type doesn't do

573
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: well with that kind of performance and pressure on a

574
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: day to day basis. So for me, I do better

575
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of pulling back and then popping in with like

576
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: hey check this out. We had a baby or you know,

577
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: hey we're doing this in the studio. But for me,

578
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I just kind of enjoy um. I enjoy that boundary.

579
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Is that okay to say? I think any boundary that

580
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: you set up for a fair boundary. I think where

581
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: people get in trouble is if they're posting lots of things,

582
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about social media specifically, they post and

583
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: they put and then all of a sudden, they demand no,

584
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: this is my personal life. It's you have to condition

585
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: people to be conditioned, and so if you're set in

586
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: the boundary, you can live within it. It's what we're

587
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: talking about, and we won't say who. We're talking about.

588
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: Somebody in the media earlier and we My point about

589
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: them was they're always consistent. I enjoy that, regardless if

590
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: I agree with them or not. I just enjoy consistency

591
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: in humans in media. I try to give it. Sometimes

592
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm consistently inconsistent, and that's even a sort of consistency

593
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: right right right where. That took me a second. So

594
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: with social media, that the answer for me is, if

595
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: that's your rule, don't we all play by it. Now.

596
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: If it's your rule, but you change it up and

597
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: then you demand other people follow your then it gets

598
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: a little squishy. I think that's completely fair. I just

599
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: saw the irony in my space was a big part

600
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: of Lady and a Bellum. I can't find you on Twitter.

601
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: I can't go at Dave Heywood. Have you hashtag Dave

602
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Heywood just a It's like at Charles Kelly l A

603
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: and then hashtag Dave Heywood because he doesn't exist. I'm

604
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: in the minority here. I understand that me uh me

605
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: not being on on all social media. I'm in the minority.

606
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: I get that. And I know I probably sound really

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: old school and people are going to roll their eyes

608
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: at it. But for me, again, my personality type just

609
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: has to have time for me to retreat, for me

610
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: to process things and to live my best life. I

611
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: have to pull back and when I go home, I

612
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: have to not share it that. Um. And I'll give

613
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you just a completely candid, completely candid and personal experience

614
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and story about that end of last year. I had

615
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: a little season of anxiety in my life. Uh, some

616
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: panic attacks. Everything kind of came crashing down for a

617
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: little bit. And I said a million times for myself,

618
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: if I had the pressure every day that I would

619
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: have had to post on social media during that time

620
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: would have broken me down even more. Um. It was

621
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: just a season of a lot of things. And again

622
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I have boundaries with what I even share, but I

623
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: want people to know that it's okay to go through

624
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: those things. For me, I just I didn't have I

625
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: would have been so wrecked if I was going through

626
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: all this stuff personally and I had to post today

627
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Today was sick. You know, I just

628
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: had the best lit breakfast with my bros. Like I mean,

629
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't. I had a little rough patch

630
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: of some personal things. So I don't know. It's for

631
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: me again, it's my it's my um personality type that

632
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: does the best when I can have moments to retreat, process,

633
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: pull back and have time for me. I just have

634
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: to have carve out time for me that's not shared,

635
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: if that's okay. That anxiety. I was on some crazy

636
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: anxiety medicine for a long time. I've never and I

637
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: never thought it was until I actually went through it.

638
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: It would almost it felt like egg coming over me

639
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: that I couldn't get out of, or like what you

640
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: know in the mind does the hands. Yeah, yeah, it

641
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: felt like that was around me and I couldn't control it.

642
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: And then I got onto medicine. I couldn't get off

643
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, absolutely, And it's you know, I never,

644
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: I never fully understood mental health. And I'll be completely honest,

645
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: and I actually I feel like I can empathize now

646
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: because I was trapped in in some deep anxiety and

647
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: panic attacks for about three months and man, it sucks.

648
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: It completely sucks. You feel alone, you feel fear can understand,

649
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: you feel like nobody understands. That's how I felt. Yeah,

650
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: people get butterflies and I get better. But again, it's

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: if you take a flamethrower of butterflies and shoot them,

652
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: ripe your butt hole that into your body. That's really

653
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: what it feels like. And you Yeah, and I still

654
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: have anxiety. I go to therapist all the time. I'm

655
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: still way too much money there. You should, man, counseling

656
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: is so his life changing. It's completely life changing for me.

657
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: It lets me look at me. Yeah, that's the whole

658
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I've ever had. It's like somebody gives you. They hold

659
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: a mirror and say, well, here's here's what you're saying.

660
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Here's where awareness is. Self awareness it is. And that's

661
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: my struggle is looking at myself in a natural way.

662
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard, and you don't want to do

663
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: it sometimes. Yeah, it's I'm telling you, it's it's so

664
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: worth it. It's been a life changer for me. I mean,

665
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I even spent some time at this place called on Site,

666
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: which is a spiritual girl's place. But you brought that up. Listen,

667
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you went, okay, let me tell you what happened. Because

668
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: she's not gonnare I mentioned this, so she just went

669
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: she said two different people. Yeah, before and after, and

670
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I know Miles the CEO. So I did. I did Ted.

671
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Oh now we're going now? So because I got so

672
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: many questions and uh, so I did a Ted talk,

673
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: and I did a Ted talk on successful people and

674
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: how losing and failure is pivotal and success and we

675
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: and that's counterintuitive to what we see that we think

676
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: somebody just goes, hey, I'm good at something, that they

677
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: just win life, and that's really not what happens. Even

678
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: the best people struggle, and the struggles what makes them

679
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: and separates them from the good. So I do this

680
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Ted talk and Miles, who runs on site, I meet

681
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: him for the first time. He does it right right

682
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: before me or after me. And I say, because I'm

683
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: big into therapy, I make jokes, but I'm big into it.

684
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: It's changed my life. So I say, you know, I

685
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: have this house and it's all right outside of Nashville.

686
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: You come check it out. I don't really think anything

687
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: about it. I'm in a charity event with my co

688
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: host Amy. I see him again. And I bring it

689
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: up to him and say, may I want to come

690
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: out there? I just need to get away. Did you

691
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: check your phone? Yeah, I couldn't use it. That's crazy

692
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: to me, but which was fine because I don't have

693
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: social media. There's nothing for me to do. I guess

694
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: for me, it's just what if something happens to my dog? Yea,

695
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: what if something and I don't have kids or a wife.

696
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: There's emergency protocol, they'll they'll there is. Yeah. Yeah. Part

697
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: of it scares me so much. Do anyone to ask.

698
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: You could go to a specific place and say like, hey,

699
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I've got to check on and they'll be like, okay,

700
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: so fine. They just don't want you to be what

701
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: we all do. You walk right out of counseling, you

702
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: hot back on your email and your text and everything.

703
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I would live. They have TV's,

704
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: um they don't. I don't know if I can. I

705
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: sleep with a TV on it. I sleep with the

706
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: TV on at night. I grew up. I never had

707
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: a bedroom, so I slep on the couch in the

708
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: living room. The TV stayed on because I lived in

709
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: the living room. I sleep with the TV on or

710
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: I get so anxious because since nine the TV has

711
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: been on when I sleep. I can't go somewhere to

712
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: sleep without a TV. Well, maybe you could do like

713
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: a white noise mission. I did. Stuff doesn't work. I

714
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: need to have King of Queens with the Honeymooners. Yeah,

715
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: it's got to be on in the background. I had

716
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: just need like the noise of like Seinfeld happening whatever

717
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: it is. This is how messed up out in my head.

718
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: I have to have already seen the episode because if

719
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I haven't, I want to know what's going on. And

720
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: I like learning and if it's something that I think,

721
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: because I'll wikipedia things just watching TV on my left

722
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'll just Wikipedia things and learned about them as

723
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: a show happens. Background actors, we're watching The Crown right now,

724
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: and that's what we're doing too. It's like, first, that's

725
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: all I did the first three episodes until I trusted

726
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: it and then I just went with it. But I

727
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: fact checked every part of The Crown. Fantastic, right, it's great.

728
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: It's great. Do you feel like you're learning because I

729
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: did do. I feel like I haven't learned in a

730
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: long time about history, and I gave zero craft about

731
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the royal family. I'm totally invested in. I know, we're like, well,

732
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: who's going to be the next this? And who's the

733
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: next that? You know going forward? And were you amazed

734
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: that Queen Elizabeth was never supposed to be the queen

735
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: like that blow She wasn't even in a line for it.

736
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: And her we're only like four episodes in, so don't well,

737
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: but that's the but I know that that that's part

738
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: of history. Yes, no, no, and that's in the first four.

739
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: And her uncle was the freaking king. He quit because

740
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: he was dating a Kardashian. Basically, it's wherever Dave Heywood

741
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Lady and a Belle. I'm talking about music. You guys

742
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: just went to New York for the Grammys, I guess

743
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: you and Charles did. Hillary just had the babies, so

744
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: she didn't go. Was that timing always? Oh? This made

745
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: cheat well. To be honest, I'll have to walk you

746
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: through it because it was, um just crazy the way

747
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: it happened. I mean, we were on the red carpet,

748
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: me and Charles went up to New York with our

749
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: wives to the Grand News and we have a four

750
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: week old little girl at home, and so we had

751
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: to leave her for the day, which we did, okay,

752
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: but really Mr but um, we got up there, we're

753
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: on the red carpet, We're doing interviews and stuff, and

754
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: we were kind of joking because it's been kind of

755
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: a the timeline of when she's supposed to have When

756
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: you have twins, you having a little early. Um, that's

757
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: just what happens with twins because there's twice the fun

758
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: in there. So you have twins early, then what your

759
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: schedule due date is? Um for space reasons. Uh So anyways,

760
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: we knew it was gonna be sometime soon. But we

761
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: literally we get off the red carpet or we get

762
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: done with the show and we go have dinner and

763
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: we're just group texting. We group text meet Charles and Hillary.

764
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: We like group text all the time, just like, oh

765
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, how are you feeling? What's going on?

766
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: Just silly stuff, animated jifts, the whole nine yards, just

767
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: fun group text And we were texting at ten thirty

768
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: or eleven, and then we all went to bed at

769
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: midnight or something and I woke up at six to

770
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: go to the airport and had like ten miss texts.

771
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: You know when you wake up and you have like

772
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: all these miss texts. You're like, oh God, what's going on.

773
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: Sure enough, she's like, we went to the hospital, blah

774
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: blah blah, we had the babies. I'm like, what we

775
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: were texting at ten o'clock last night and everything? She

776
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: I thought she was like joking about, like, you guys

777
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: are making me laugh with this cardboard cutout that we

778
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: brought to the Grannies of Hillary. Y'all are making me

779
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: have contractions and laugh. And I thought I thought she

780
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: was joking. I was like, are you serious? You must

781
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: have been serious about contractions. But sure enough, so literally

782
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: the night of the Grannies she had the twin girls

783
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: and so, um, I haven't met him yet. Uh, they've

784
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: just a few days ago, and so it's it's awesome.

785
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: We've been getting some beautiful photos from her in texts

786
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: and stuff. So um, but I'm throwed for him. That's awesome.

787
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: How what was the dynamic with because Hillary his husband

788
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: who I know? So I'm talking about people like I

789
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: don't know them, but who I know? Like her husband's

790
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: a drummer. How was that whole thing with the band

791
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: And there's now there's another influence that's kind of on

792
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: the inside of the band without actually being the band

793
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: like that dynamic also has to change things up a

794
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: bit right of having her husband. Again, he's on the

795
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: inside because he's with Hillary, but he's not really part

796
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: of the band. No one else could do it with him.

797
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: He's a he is such a he's such a team

798
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: player and such a great I mean, he's a badass drummer.

799
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Let me just go ahead and lead with that. Uh,

800
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: lead with that. He is in our band because he

801
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: is one of the best drummers there is. He really

802
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: is from a technical standpoint, his power, his intuitiveness for

803
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: where we go on a live show. Um, again, it

804
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: works great. I mean really, it's not like a there's

805
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: never been any kind of like a dissension of like, um,

806
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, I handle a lot of the band stuff,

807
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: UM and so I reach out to him all the

808
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: time independently of like, hey, we gotta go do this

809
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: rehearsal or um our our keyboard players technically our band leader.

810
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: But UM, I kind of enjoy doing all that stuff

811
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: and organizing that. UM. I like I enjoy working with

812
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: like the TV shows, like when we performed on the

813
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: A c M S last year. UM I really enjoyed,

814
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: like working with Rack and working with the producers and

815
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: U and l V and the horn section and the band.

816
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Thanks man, that was that was a really cool man,

817
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: Thank you, And it kind of everybody's eyes got real big.

818
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: It's very loud. God, you should heard it backstage in

819
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: the locker room. It's like annoyingly loud. But it was

820
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: a great moment. But I love doing that stuff. But

821
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: but I mean, Chris has been such a amazing piece

822
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: to our whole lady A world. It really, I mean,

823
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: it all just works. I'm not trying to be I'm

824
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: not trying to like just always blow smoke. And I

825
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: think we've said that plenty of times. I mean it

826
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: genuinely works between all of us, really really well. So

827
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: you can play guitar, play mandelin. I don't think things.

828
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: I've seen you play piano and guitar. I'd saramon man

829
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: main two that I have you still play maths? Are

830
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: you do you practice? Do you still have to practice

831
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: or is it mostly up there? Um? I don't practice.

832
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of play for fun, But I

833
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: don't you ever just grab it at home and play

834
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: oh God all the time. So you still enjoy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I have a studio room upstairs. Um, much like this room.

836
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Just a great kind of home studio room with a

837
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: full pro tools rig and then about twenty guitars and stuff.

838
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: So um bazooki, which is like a bigger mandolin Irish mandolin.

839
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: And um, I can keep a beat decent, Yeah, I

840
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: can keep a beat decent. I mean a lot of

841
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: the stuff you do now is programmed, so you like

842
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: use a little keyboard pad just to like get a

843
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: kick and snare, and you wake up the middle of

844
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: night and go have an idea. You you have to

845
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: go get it out of your head. Yeah, I have

846
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: to go put it down. Um. And a lot of

847
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: minor musical you know. Um, I normally start musically, So

848
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: for me, it's a lot of like no, no, you

849
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: know here a chord progression or um here a kind

850
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: of groove or I don't know, I need you now

851
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: open you know, don't don't don't what don't what? What

852
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: did that come from? My Grojas came up with that

853
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: piano part. I have to give him a hundred percent

854
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: of credit. Um. But we wrote that with Josh kere

855
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Um early in our career and it kind of went

856
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: in the back pocket for a while. I mean we

857
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: wrote it after our first record, which had love Don't

858
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Live Here, um and looking for a Good Time and uh,

859
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: I run to You were our first three singles, and

860
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: let me have something. This here, here, here's looking I'm

861
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: just looking for good I run to you said you've

862
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: run to you. It was on the first record. It

863
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: went test well, still gets played a lot, yeah, even

864
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: though it was from the first record. And listen to

865
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: those lyrics in our society today, Tom Douglas. Tom Douglas

866
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: sat in that chair and bloo did he come here?

867
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: He talked about you guys really yeah, and gathering around

868
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: the piano. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a beautiful little farm

869
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: and our beautiful home mountain, you know, Franklin or whatever,

870
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: and just an old piano. And he's such a poet.

871
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: It's just so artistic. I'm like, I like want to

872
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: be him. I would fangirl him just even though we've

873
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: written with him a dozen times. Like I would fan

874
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: girl him just about everything. Yeah, I've been lucky enough

875
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: to sit next to some really mind blowing, lye awesome

876
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: people that I only appreciate way later because in the moment,

877
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: and that's got to be like that with you at

878
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: times to you're doing this big in the moment, you're

879
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: just trying to get through it and not suck and

880
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: go back at it and go Yeah, that was awesome.

881
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: It was so cool. That was a poem which we

882
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: told that story, but our bass player jokes us about

883
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: that a lot, but it was it was a poem

884
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: time it'd written called I Run to You, and it

885
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: was just all these things that he runs from, pessimists

886
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: and prejudice. Right, he told the story, he was like

887
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: he was like actually running I think maybe the Music

888
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: City Marathon, but he had all these visions of things

889
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: that you run from. I mean, how deep is that?

890
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: You know? Like I mean it's like, like, why can't

891
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: I think of that kind of stuff. He's just that

892
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: kind of guy and has lived a lot of great

893
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: life and and had you know, his ups and downs

894
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: that he writes and shares about. But yeah, that started

895
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: with a poem and we basically took his poem and

896
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of put music to it um and then we

897
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: got into it so righting for the next record, we

898
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: had a writing compointment with Josh Kire and we never

899
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: written with him before, but he had written before he

900
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: cheats for carry Underwood, and uh. We went in there

901
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: and wrote one song first for about an hour, and

902
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: it was kind of quick, and I just didn't feel

903
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: like a good song. Um right, it was a quick

904
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: right he had had um, he had had like half

905
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: of it done. It was a song called young Love,

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: and it just didn't feel like us. It didn't feel

907
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: like us. And we finished it and I was like yeah,

908
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: and then it was like one of those things. Charles

909
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: was like, why aren't we just staying write another song?

910
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, I mean, we're all single and

911
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do. I was like, sounds great, I'm here.

912
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: So we started writing another song and um, Charles had

913
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: some melodies on the guitar. He had just started playing

914
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: guitar actually and learned a few chords on the acoustics,

915
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: so he came up with some of the melody on

916
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: the verse d d da da da da da da

917
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: no no uh um. And then we kind of just

918
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: sailed off from there, and you know, we wrote it

919
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: really quick. I'd say in an hour as well. Needs

920
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: you now happen fast? Some of the some songs take

921
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: like six hours or a few days or a couple

922
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: of writing sessions. We Needs You Now was quick. I

923
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: run to you. It was pretty quick. You finished Needs

924
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: You Now. And it's just a song. It's just a song.

925
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would Um. We sat on it

926
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: for probably eight months, just sitting in our iTunes playlist

927
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: and our very last label meeting to cut with Paul

928
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: Worley for that Needs You Now record, which it was

929
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: not obviously titled inn Um. I remember, and again it's

930
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: just a beautiful testament. I think Charles and his memory

931
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: and his passion and ear from music, he was like,

932
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: what about that? Remember that song we wrote Josh here

933
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: that day. You know, it's kind of like it sounds

934
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: just like it'd be a cool album track, you know,

935
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of one of those like kind of insider songs

936
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: that like people just love the vibe, you know, it's

937
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: it could probably have like a cool vibe. Um, what

938
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: if we know in the the acoustic demo, I gotta

939
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: play you some of that. I mean the acoustic demo

940
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: is just we're fumbling all over the melody, you know,

941
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: It's like he messes up a lyric and it was

942
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: just all over the place. The acoustic demo was really

943
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: just it was just a voice in the moe from

944
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: our phone, and so it sounded really rough. But we

945
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: were like a couple of people in the room Autumn House,

946
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: Mike Dungan, Um, they all kind of perked up there

947
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: like that could be kind of cool. Why don't you

948
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: guys try that? And so still we didn't know what

949
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: was happening. We got in the studio and recorded it,

950
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: and I think once we got in there and Paul

951
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: Worlely got his hands on it, he made so the

952
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: piano part, Mike Rojas was tinkering around, you know when

953
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: you're warming up in the studio, and he started to

954
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of do that on the outro of the song

955
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: and we were like, man, do that on the intro.

956
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: That's like a hook. That sounds like one of those

957
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: big hooks. The baseline, this guy named Craig Young play

958
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: that Paul Worley got. I could geek out on these

959
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: guys names for for for hours. But um, some of

960
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: the bass playing, piano playing guitar, I mean me and

961
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Paul played about acoustic guitars on that song. So when

962
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: it gets to the chorus on the song, acoustics, So

963
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: this is an old um I won't go down this

964
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: tangent forever. This is an old Crossley Steels in Nash

965
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: and Young trick that Paul Whorley knew where you kind

966
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: of if you have like up to twenty to thirty acoustics,

967
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: that makes it feel like the whole song chugs along

968
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: really like it's like a wall of sound, right, So

969
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: if you notice on the course there's just this jinging, jinginginging,

970
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: straight kind of thing. And that's about acoustics in the background.

971
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, And it's not the same if you want

972
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: to in to in today's world, you could just duplicate him. Yeah,

973
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: but to have different guitars with different woods and different

974
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: strings from different eras in different times, all surrounding in stereo,

975
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: different guitars all playing. And you know, Paul plays a

976
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: little different than I play, and I play a little

977
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: different and fingers some of the chords differently with different voicings.

978
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: But just those little nuances on the track. When Paul

979
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: Worley got and and dug in with that song, I mean,

980
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: I gotta give it to micro Haas. The piano stuff

981
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: is amazing on that song, and I got to give

982
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: it to Paul worly Man. He is such a champion

983
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: for great art and he takes his time with it,

984
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: and that can be hard with patients and studio because

985
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: we all want to just pump out a track in

986
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: one day, but Paul will sit on it and work

987
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: on it and work on it, and then two months

988
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: later you're like, wow, this thing sounds timeless. So you

989
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: write it and you think it's a song. Then it's

990
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: sitting there and you think this is a song. You

991
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: cut it. When do you realize that it could be special? Um?

992
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: Once we cut it and we started showing it to people,

993
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: so we recorded it and we started playing it for

994
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, our friends. UM. I mean I wasn't married

995
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: at the time. I wouldn't say my wife, but friends

996
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: and people at the label and management, and they're like, man,

997
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: that's like that could be really a crazy cool kind

998
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: of first single. Um. And we're like, no, we need

999
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: to have a tempo. Isn't that what you're supposed to do.

1000
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have like the rocking tempo is your

1001
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: first song. And they were like, man, it just just

1002
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: feels like a piece of art. It feels like art,

1003
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: And we were all about it. We just thought it

1004
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: would be the album track, but we were all about it.

1005
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was, but it was all of our

1006
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: favorite song that we had recorded for the needs you

1007
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: now for that record. So you have the song and

1008
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: it goes to country radio first and it splashes, Yeah

1009
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: it does. At what point do you realize that this

1010
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: splash is bigger than what we expected it to be.

1011
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: So we started getting calls. I mean, to this day,

1012
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: nothing will ever happen like this ever again. It just

1013
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: won't the stars aligned. I mean we started getting calls

1014
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: from every format, um, and then all around the world.

1015
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean literally I'd have to pull up the emails.

1016
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: I remember emails from like, hey, there's just you know,

1017
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: the people in Italy heard it, people in Romania heard it,

1018
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: people in Russian and Australia and Japan, all these people

1019
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: all around the world want to start spinning the song.

1020
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, like, how did you know?

1021
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it literally spread like wildfire, I mean country video.

1022
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: It went to number one for four or five weeks, um,

1023
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: and stay there for four or five weeks, and then

1024
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: we sent it to pop radio, um, you know, which

1025
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: we caught a little flak. Four people. Do you know

1026
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: when you kind of crossover or send a song out

1027
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: to a different format and stuff. So I get that,

1028
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: but it went huge. It just went massive. I played

1029
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: at Pop Radio. I remember when the song came and

1030
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: that's when I remember when that band with the crazy

1031
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: name was the band of the song that we're playing

1032
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: at Pop. At what point did it feel like where

1033
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: did this is a whole new ball game. It's a

1034
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: whole new ball I mean the international stuff, Canada and Europe.

1035
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: It took off in Canada and Europe and we started

1036
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: getting request to, you know, play in London, and play

1037
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: in Toronto, and go play in Australia. I mean that

1038
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: was like for me, we felt like the little kids

1039
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: from the country who get to go play in the

1040
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: big cities all around the world. Um, did you get

1041
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: lost in that? Was it so much in a quick

1042
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: beat or did you actually we're able to dissect it

1043
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: a bit and enjoy it. That's a tough one. That's

1044
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: a really tough question. There's definitely parts that we didn't dissect.

1045
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have anything to gauge it off of,

1046
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: so it was all happening for the first time. You know.

1047
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: It's like whenever if anything ever happens and something takes off,

1048
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you don't know what to gauge it against this it

1049
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: never happened before. Um, did you reach out to anyone

1050
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: who had crossed over inside the That's always what I wonder,

1051
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: because there are a few that it crossed over inside

1052
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: the format that you said, Hey, I'm going into the

1053
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: pop world, in the hot A C world. You know,

1054
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: what are the things that happened to you that I

1055
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: don't expect? Did you have We didn't have anybody, I guess.

1056
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean our manager, Gary Borman did a great job. Um,

1057
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: at the time, we were with Gary Borman, and he

1058
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: did a great job of having a lot of experience

1059
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of pop acts and also Keith Urban.

1060
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: He represents Keith Urban, and Keith had a lot. He

1061
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of music that really goes around the world.

1062
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if people really realize how big he

1063
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: is in Europe, in Canada and Australian stuff. So he

1064
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: had some experience with with Keith with a lot of

1065
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: internationals success. But it was just the three of us

1066
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of strapping on from holding on for dear life.

1067
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a wild, crazy ride. Um, it's

1068
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: so hard you know, I watched people on TV now

1069
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: that go through these things. You know, when we were

1070
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: at the Grammys two, I'm watching Alicia Carra and all

1071
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: the new artists, and you know when Sam Hunt was

1072
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: taken off, and then you know, you watch all these

1073
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: acts in Stapleton, what he's going through, and whoa, it's crazy.

1074
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane. Are it's all the time. And

1075
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: you kind of lose yourself in that because you think

1076
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: you're supposed to say yes to everything, and you do

1077
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: say yes to everything. And I mean, I remember a

1078
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: vivid moment. Taylor Swift was about a year ahead of

1079
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: us in country music. She won New Artist of the

1080
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: Year at the A c m S and the c

1081
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: M A. She was kind of like a year ahead

1082
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: of us, winning a lot of the new new stuff

1083
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: when she was coming out in country and I just

1084
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: remember watching her in her trajectory and how much she

1085
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: just killed it and kept going and kept going. And

1086
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: I think we hit a point. So we after the

1087
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: night of the Grammys and oh nine or two thousand

1088
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: and ten, I forget the year where we won for

1089
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: record and Song the Year on five in one night

1090
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: for needs You Now, I mean song of the Year

1091
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: and um single was single one of the grant No.

1092
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: There there were a few country ones and then a

1093
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: few of the country and then the two all genres. Yeah,

1094
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean like, um, I mean it was crazy. Dude,

1095
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: Live Your Life by Rihanna was in that category. You know.

1096
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: New York New York by Jay z was in the category.

1097
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Were you getting people in the spectrum of not country going, Hey,

1098
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: I love that to you? Was like, whoa you even

1099
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: know who we are? Yeah, I mean like Lady Gaga

1100
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: came up that year, and um, some of the guys

1101
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: from a couple of the other big bands, but yeah,

1102
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: you get some of the like hip hop artist John Mayor.

1103
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: We met John Mayor for the first time. UM. I

1104
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: loved your interview of his by the way, Uh, really

1105
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: cool because I grew up in Georgia. I loved his

1106
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: history at in Atlanta with Clay Cook and stuff. Um,

1107
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: which is the whole Clay Cook, It's crazy, It's crazy

1108
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: out the whole for those are clays now with Zach Brown,

1109
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: Clay is awesome, but him and John were together. I

1110
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: love it. Christian Bush was in a few days ago.

1111
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: There's one that just went up, you know, Christian was

1112
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: in the john S Chan was the first band to

1113
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: ever play at the Attic, and that's where John kind

1114
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: of came up. But again we're nerding on something that

1115
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: was there a part of you. And again I'm just

1116
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: jumping out. But let me finish that thought real quick,

1117
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: just because I was gonna say we as a band,

1118
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: I think made a conscious I didn't mean to cut

1119
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: you off with that felt, but we as a band.

1120
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: I remember after we won all those Grammy's, everything came in,

1121
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: go play around the world, do everything. I remember thinking,

1122
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: the three of us discussing because you know, we're like,

1123
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't want to lose myself. I

1124
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to work that much.

1125
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: You know. We kind of hit this point in our

1126
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: career where we said we could work three hundred and

1127
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: sixty five days a year because there's enough stuff that's

1128
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: coming in right now that we could. But I don't

1129
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: want to. You know, I want to. I want to

1130
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: work and play hundred and fifty two hundred shows, you know,

1131
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: do radio, do some great fun things, and record, but

1132
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to work every day of the year.

1133
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: And so everything came in where we could have lost

1134
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: ourselves in it. But I would say between the three

1135
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: of us and the perks of being in a group,

1136
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you're able to have conversation with each other and work

1137
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: through things together. And we kind of said, you know what,

1138
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: this is amazing the success. Let's keep it going with

1139
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: with as much as we can, but not at the

1140
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: sacrifice of ourselves. So where my mind goes you're telling

1141
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: the story is that instead of thinking how amazing this is,

1142
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: is that something great happens. How in the world do

1143
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: you follow that up? Because nothing's ever going to follow

1144
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: that up? Nothing, nothing. It was a perfect storm. So

1145
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, what do you put out after when it

1146
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: doesn't do the same. Do you feel like a failure

1147
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: even though it's doing amazing relatively to everything else except

1148
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: that one lightning in a bottle? I mean, I can't

1149
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: ever use the word failure. I mean, everything that we've

1150
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: done in music, I just feel lucky that we get

1151
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: to do music. Honestly, Um So that was just beyond

1152
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: any wildest expectation. And it was just a rare moment.

1153
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because it's also the first time

1154
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: somebody hears about it. Let me imagine the first time

1155
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: you hear about a band too, there's kind of that

1156
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: you can't get enough of it. I mean, the first

1157
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: time I heard about you know him this you know

1158
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: pop trio, I was like, oh my god. I watched

1159
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: every YouTube you could possibly watch, which I love them

1160
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: and obsessed with them. Um female pop group that everybody

1161
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: wants to spell it. But yeah, I don't know if

1162
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: I said it right. That's how I don't either. And

1163
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: when you said this, I know you're smart. When you said, Jeff,

1164
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: that's how people that really know say it. But the

1165
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: rest of us say gift, and so all the term

1166
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: now with the normals, not you us, the normals the

1167
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: down below. Everybody says a gift. But when someone says Jeff,

1168
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, they really know what that. Yeah. I didn't

1169
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: just come to play today. This is real? So need

1170
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: you now? Crushes it? What's the next single? Was the

1171
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: American Honey, which was but was there a bit of huh,

1172
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if this one cross over because it's so

1173
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: big the time before? Yeah? Of course, of course, I

1174
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: mean absolutely. I mean it's hard, it's really tough. You

1175
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: put all this pressure on yourself. I don't drive myself crazy. Yeah,

1176
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: did you telling the story. I'm going I'm insane point

1177
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: through the ride because I'm going the next ride. I

1178
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: gotta start building. If I knew what I knew now

1179
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: about my personality type and everything I've learned about myself

1180
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: in the last six months at you know, counseling and

1181
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: on site and everything, oh my gosh, I would have

1182
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: it would have been It would have been helpful to

1183
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: know that much about myself. But maybe I'm grateful I

1184
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: didn't know as much about myself and I just we

1185
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: kept our foot on the gas and just kept going.

1186
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean you we ran into that for

1187
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: the next record, I think for the following record, but

1188
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: those songs did well at country. Um, we had just

1189
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: a Kiss and We on the Night, which came out

1190
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: on our third record. But I don't know, then we

1191
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: started asking. I think we hit a point where we

1192
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: started second guessing ourselves, you know, which is all let

1193
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: into I mean, you know, if anybody knows our evolution

1194
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: and our journey, you know, leading into a UM. You know,

1195
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: we had some songs maybe people don't know about them

1196
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: because they didn't work, But we had a few singles

1197
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: at radio that didn't do anything. UM, Goodbye Town was

1198
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: a struggle for us. Um, Freestyle didn't really work. Hello

1199
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: World was really a struggle. Um, And why do you

1200
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: think those were a struggle? What what moved well? At

1201
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: that point in time, I think some lady in a

1202
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: belle and fatigue began. I really do too much. I

1203
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: think they're too much lady A too much, you know,

1204
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: and and it's just a natural cycle. I get it

1205
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: with anything, sports teams that always win. I mean we had,

1206
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: we had, we had won a lot, and our songs

1207
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: had been all number ones for a while, and then

1208
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, you get to a point where if the

1209
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: song isn't maybe as special, it's like, well we've heard,

1210
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: We've already heard that style from them. We get what

1211
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: they do. So there were a couple of miss mrs

1212
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: for us. I mean that kind of led into I

1213
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: think some second guessing for us as lady A, we

1214
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: kind of started to lean more on the business side

1215
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: of like, well, we gotta get some hits again, guys,

1216
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: and then we just like what happened to us when

1217
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: we made music that we didn't care about where we

1218
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: lived in Josh Kelly's house and we wrote I Run

1219
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: to You, and we wrote Love don't live here, and

1220
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: we wrote needs You Now? I mean, what happened to that?

1221
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: You know? How did we get that? And and those

1222
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: songs came about because we weren't thinking. And then we

1223
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: went into a period of our career where we started

1224
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: thinking too much. I think and and I think anybody

1225
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: that probably hits seven years, ten years, fifteen years, and

1226
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of great people in this seat

1227
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: on your podcast that probably would say the same thing.

1228
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: There's just ebbs and flows, and you do you get

1229
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: to that point where you you lose a little bit

1230
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: of what got you where where you are. Do you

1231
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: feel like you've got some of that back or all

1232
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: of that back or a different back? For Heartbreak, I

1233
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: think we got I think we got it back. I

1234
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: really think we got it back. Um. I think we

1235
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: said that we got it back on some earlier records. Um.

1236
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: But you know, we obviously had a break, had some

1237
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: time away, different projects were out, time to just kind

1238
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: of reconnect with who we are. Uh And and I

1239
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: think for Heartbreak, living together was just such a fun

1240
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: experience making the record that kind of that helped us

1241
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: get it back. I mean to like wake up and

1242
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, laugh and make coffee and you know, I

1243
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: mean living together. You're a part of every little facet

1244
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: of each other's lives. And it made us laugh again

1245
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: and made us feel young and made us I think, right,

1246
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: innocent music again. I want to play something here and

1247
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: you'll know it. But what's something I pulled out? All right?

1248
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Deep Jim Brickman. And this is the first time that

1249
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: you guys were on something together. So this was this

1250
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: song actually was on the Hot day C chart right

1251
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: if I'm right, it did. It did pretty well. It's

1252
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, really impactful, weird and moving song too. So

1253
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: tell people who Jim Brickman is. Yeah, Jim Brickman is

1254
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: an instrumentalist, piano player. Um. And we were writing a

1255
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: lot with Victoria Shaw early on, and him and Victoria

1256
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Shaw we're good friends. And uh, they said, Jim's looking

1257
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: for a featured vocalist for this song never Alone and

1258
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: Hillary when we killed the song, it's a perfect fit

1259
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: for her. She's so believable in the song. It was

1260
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: the first time Lady Annabellum was recognized as Lady and

1261
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: abell Um. It was before we had a record deal before.

1262
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: So what do you do on this song? I just

1263
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: sing some harmonies, Charles just sing some harmonies. Um, it

1264
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: was mostly Hillary, mostly Hillary singing lead. She wrote the song.

1265
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: Hillary wrote that she wrote the lyrics. Yeah, Hillary wrote

1266
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: that with Victoria shaw and maybe somebody else. Please forgive

1267
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: me somebody else if you hear this, and I can't

1268
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: remember who it was, but yeah, So Jim Braakman was

1269
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: looking for a feature vocalist. That's kind of be cool

1270
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: to see your name on something. It was, You're a

1271
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: real entity whenever you're on Lady and Something to see. Uh,

1272
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, when it's dark at night, you're in your

1273
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: car and the you know, the radio letters, you know,

1274
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: they light up scrolling across. I mean to see like

1275
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, when it goes across Jim Brickman featuring parentheses

1276
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: or whatever, Lady and a Bellum. I mean, I'll never

1277
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: forget it. I mean that was that was before we

1278
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: had a record deal to Victoria. Victoria Shawl really was

1279
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: a huge champion um for that song and our She

1280
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: was a producer on our first record and that was

1281
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: a big moment for us. You talk about being a

1282
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: songwriter aside from any of the Lady A stuff, meet

1283
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: Charles and Luke Crazy. We had no fun that day. Yeah,

1284
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: I bet it sounds like it sounds like a terrible day.

1285
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: So and I with songwriters and I've gotten to know

1286
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: a lot of them on a much closer level because

1287
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: of doing this. This has been a great environment for

1288
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: me to get to know people and they get to

1289
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: ask questions I would never ask in my life. And

1290
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: I've also learned that with some songwriters, when they tell

1291
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: stories about their big songs, they have to almost have

1292
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: revisionist history because they write so many songs and they

1293
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: don't remember, but they have to have a story because

1294
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: someone goes, tell me when you wrote the house to

1295
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: built me, And if you don't have a story, it

1296
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: kind of lets people down. So when I say do

1297
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: I do you remember the day? Of course, that was

1298
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: the first time we had written with Luke Um We

1299
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: had we had known Luke Brian and we had talked

1300
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: about writing. I mean, we were all like on our

1301
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: first record and stuff, and uh, you know, he called

1302
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: us out to his house. He's like, dude, if you

1303
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: guys want to come over and write, and he's a

1304
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: really awesome and chaotic guy. And I just remember it

1305
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: being so like, you know, there's just so much going

1306
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: on in his world and he's got such a awesome,

1307
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: crazy family that's all over the place. And we show

1308
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: up and so it was loud inside and so we

1309
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: came out onto the front porch and we sat on

1310
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: Luke's front porch. I mean it feels like like one

1311
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: of those classic like country moments, um, you know, but

1312
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: like we sat on Luke Brian's front porch and had

1313
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: two guitars and and wrote this song. We wrote another one,

1314
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: but this one was definitely like an amazing one and

1315
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: what what what We wrote it with him and he

1316
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: had some of the verse stuff going and we really

1317
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke had I was. I have to give

1318
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: Luke credit. He had a lot of this song in

1319
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: pieces is like a puzzle, like I've got this melody, man,

1320
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, I've got this kind of thing, this idea.

1321
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: You know. I just think the lyric is brilliant. He

1322
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: had the some of the lyric um and we really

1323
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: find me and Charles help him finish the song. So

1324
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: any songwriter would tell you there's always kind of like

1325
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: and it's different, like some right I'll be there and

1326
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I'll be like, dude, I got this whole track and

1327
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I got this title and then we you know, and

1328
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, some there's always like somebody that has a

1329
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: little bit more. And Luke had a lot of this

1330
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of ready to go, and so me and Charles

1331
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: were there to help him finish it, come up with

1332
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: the bridge, finished them the lyrics, and I mean we

1333
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: we loved it because it was the first time. It

1334
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: was his first number one, his very first number one.

1335
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: It was the first time I'd really heard him on

1336
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: a ballad that was moving. It felt really moving to

1337
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: hear Luke, you know, because he's such a lot of

1338
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: his tracks are big party songs, but I like the

1339
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: ballads he does. I mean, drink a beer, you know

1340
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: for Luke. I love I'm I love ballads kind of

1341
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: more than anything. But because we record so many ballads,

1342
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: we've always talked about should we just do an album

1343
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: of like the ballads? I mean, we just love Do

1344
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: you remember the commercial when we were younger, because we're

1345
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: the same age relatively, where you'd wake up at one

1346
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: of the morning and it was like now for love

1347
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: songs and it was how am I supposed to live

1348
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: with thatuch you? And it would go Richard Marks and

1349
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: Luther Van just scroll scroll the whole time, and then

1350
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: the one that they were singing would be in white

1351
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: highlight and then it would change those Um. God, we

1352
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: got stuff on the bus last year. I think we've

1353
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: had a couple of whiskeys. But we were all just like,

1354
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: this is the greatest. And I think somebody in the

1355
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: band called and ordered it, you know, like there's such

1356
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: great little collections of music. But yeah, I mean I

1357
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: would I would sit and watch those things scroll and

1358
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: they're like thirty minutes or incommercials, you know, so they

1359
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: would just go on and on and on. I caught

1360
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: myself in a rabbit hole of watching YouTube videos of

1361
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: nineties commercials and yeah, I know. And that was when

1362
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: I watched I think four different commercials of that serious

1363
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: time life, their time life. Okay, I forgot. I love

1364
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: songs of the nineties. I'm live Wow and again I

1365
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: just remember, Man, tell me how my supposed to live

1366
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: with that in it at the piano, just killing it? Man.

1367
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: Well you guys ever not play needs you now? Okay,

1368
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's it. It's so fun to play. It

1369
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: still is fun. Um. I would imagine one day you

1370
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: get tired of it. But when the crowd responds that way.

1371
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: It's it's fun, I asked, because we had a show

1372
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: at the Rhyman my band or my goofy band. So

1373
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: we played the rund. We invited a bunch of people

1374
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: to come out, and we had we flew Hanson into play.

1375
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: It was a charity thing, right, we do it for

1376
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: saying you'd every year. So it's the Raging idiot million

1377
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: dollars show and all. We asked him what Dirk's everybody

1378
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: comes played, and so I brought Hanson in and they

1379
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: just really only playing Bob. But I don't know. Both

1380
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: times I had to say because they're very nice. They

1381
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: couldn't have been nicer. But I remember Taylor coming up saying, hey,

1382
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: listen what we'd really love to do because everybody's doing

1383
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: two songs you know. Wait, Darius was out, Derek's came out,

1384
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: um and never known two songs, and I said, hey,

1385
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: we'd like to do this song instead. I said, great,

1386
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: want you do three songs in you have to do

1387
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Umbob like the people want. That's what they want, and

1388
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: the people went crazy. I was watching thirty year old

1389
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: women climbed the side of stairs backstage to get a

1390
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: picture and then they came up on the show and

1391
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: they didn't want to play it, and so I said, hey,

1392
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: would you guys just mind playing a Verston of chorus? Yeah.

1393
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that song for them though, happened

1394
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: at a much younger maybe you know, intersection in their lives,

1395
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: and maybe they're just that was a weird time for them. Maybe,

1396
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: But I mean we're all, like, you know, older, and

1397
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, weren't they like teenagers really young, you know,

1398
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: I think the drummer maybe like nine, yeah, something like that. Yeah.

1399
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: So anyways, I don't know. Darius does it really well too.

1400
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a great champion for always

1401
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: playing hold my hand, let her cry all I want

1402
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: to be with you, you know. In addition all his

1403
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: number ones a country, I think he's a good word.

1404
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: And we're torm with him the summer, which is fun

1405
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: because we're going to kind of collaborate some and come

1406
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: in and out and you know, I mean, I love

1407
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: playing on those songs. I want to play on that's

1408
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: my Darius. My first ever radio interview when I was seventeen,

1409
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: it was actually Darius, And so we've come up without

1410
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: the band or just I got they I was again

1411
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: my first ever interview as a teenager about to start

1412
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: freshman year of college. And I was a huge hoodie fan.

1413
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: So I drove an hour and a half. I don't

1414
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: know if they were getna be Sony Dean. I had

1415
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: no idea, and I was scared crap list and they said, hey,

1416
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: you get Darius, and I was like, holy crap, and

1417
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: I go and I was shaking, and he took the

1418
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: microphone and just held it and led me through the interview.

1419
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: And so we've kind of come up parallel and we've

1420
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: both shifted formats. Naturally both got kicked back from it.

1421
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: Then finally people said, okay, we believe you. And so

1422
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: he's we've always been close and he's been just a

1423
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: great friend to me, more than he's ever needed. But

1424
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: he's coming to flowing on charity events. He drove in

1425
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: from Charleston to do the Rhyman Show. He's so kind man.

1426
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: He's got some party stories too, and I will always

1427
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: let him tell the party story. I never want to

1428
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: tell the but man the hoodie party stories. And he says,

1429
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: and he said on on the air before when when

1430
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: he finally writes the book, people are gonna go dang,

1431
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: we heard that, you know, the who used to party?

1432
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: Wait till you know there's got anybody in that era? Uh,

1433
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, to preface it, I don't party a lot,

1434
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: but anybody in those eras, like you didn't have social media,

1435
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: so you could just kind of party and go crazy

1436
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: and there was like no repercussions. I guess, you know,

1437
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: like when he played the show, I got him. He

1438
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: came out during one but we were doing Purple Rain

1439
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: and he came out and scared us, and we know

1440
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: he's coming. It's like, I do this song. He just

1441
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: jumped on stage and started singing. I said, okay, cool,

1442
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 1: but we're gonna make you do an extra song. And

1443
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: so I was a geek for Cracked review and then

1444
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: I said, hey, let's do hold my hand and so

1445
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: we played it together, him and I and it was

1446
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: that and better than Ezra had Kevin come out, and

1447
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: better than we did good and desperately wanting yes, total selfish. Yeah.

1448
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: I remember running through the wet grass fall in and

1449
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in heaven. I mean heaven to me,

1450
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: those are the songs when you're a kid, and the

1451
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: artist from when you were a kid. I mean more

1452
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: than a superstar. The nineties stuff too, man, that nineties rock,

1453
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, who didn't love that stuff? And all the

1454
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: pearl jam that was going on. Crackt your review? I

1455
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: mean that was I was obsessed, so obsessed with Craig review.

1456
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: There was an album cut on that called Running from

1457
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 1: an Angel, and it was running from an Angel, running

1458
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: to the Devil, Devil, and and I was talking Darius

1459
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: in Austin. He came into a cherryvan. He said, hey, dude,

1460
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that song of forever. That was my Janie,

1461
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: she got high school all practice. And he goes, Man,

1462
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: he goes, I've played that song in ten years. And

1463
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: we're at the event and he goes, I got this

1464
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: for you. They worked it out and they played the

1465
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 1: wholl song. Oh man, I think I got a direction.

1466
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: It was amazing toner a musical, a toner, that's what

1467
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: they call it. Pitched perfect. So you guys are going

1468
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: out with Darius, Yes, they the third one is coming

1469
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: out to hitch perfect three. You guys should just at

1470
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: least leave my disclaimer that my wife is obsessed and

1471
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: so I kind of been doing the lunchbox. Just want

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Speaker 1: the whole thing about high loves pitch perfect kind of

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Speaker 1: good though, that's what he said to I mean, Anna

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: Kendrick's fun to watch, dude. She's a great singer. So

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: you guys are out with Darius all summer summer. Yeah,

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01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: she'll be rocking, man, I mean she was really I'll

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01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: give it to Hillary, she was, you know, like, guys,

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go back out. Let's let's playing another tour,

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01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: another big amphitheater tour. So um, it'll be fun. We've

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: never like really done like um, just kind of this

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: co headlining thing back and forth, so it's gonna be cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say I was looking forward to this because

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01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: you should be the lead talker man like this. If

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: you have like an hour, I can I can do

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: like this is I'm just fantastic. I didn't know what

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: to expect because Charles has such a big personality and

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: he's also the front man talker to right and again,

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01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: I like Charles and I get along with great with Charles.

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: But you know, you come in and you know you

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: you take your role and you go, yeah, when you

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01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: need me, I'm here. Well, I just I don't feel

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: like I can like I'm hard and like in a

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: one to two minutes setting. It's just hard for me

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: to get deep because I think I'm always thinking, you know,

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: really deep, and so it's hard for me to like

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: fully get there in a minute or two a radio.

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: So I hope you feel like you got there a

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01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: bit here. I totally feel like this was enjoyable. Thank

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01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: you my first podcast. Look at that guy over here.

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: Look at this guy, Dave Haywood, the unicorn, never by

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: himself out. I've never had a conversation until he came

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: over to the house. And thanks for coming up to hill.

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01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: Thanks coming over to the house. Thanks for having me. Seriously,

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: we've done our in our in ten minutes or so.

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: It does like that. Huh, that's awesome, man, Thanks for

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: having me twice. He went, huh, I've never been asked,

1507
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: oh that. Those are the rewards for me when someone goes,

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01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: you know what. I didn't thought about it that way.

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's been a good conversation. I

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: learned a lot. Thank at this guy genius over here. Mike,

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: you think you want to add Yeah, me too, man,

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01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm completely satisfied. All right, Dave Haywood, go watch him

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: and Charles and Hillary Ladiana Bellham and Darius throughout the

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: summer and Heartbreak you may listen to a year from

1515
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: now because podcasts live forever. Their newest album, after Heartbreak,

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: it's called insert here, is amazing. I love it. It's

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: probably my favorite new record when you agree with a

1518
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 1: lot of hard in this one. You really found yourself

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: as a baby. Yes, yes, yes, all right. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys next time. Thanks