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Speaker 2: Absolutely that you didn't think one jay Z reference was

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Speaker 3: And Joe get that you knew exactly what the fun was.

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Speaker 1: Nah, promise you, I promise you. I didn't you know

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Speaker 1: man sim because he was the only person that was like, yo,

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Speaker 3: I was like, so he felt it. He felt he

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Speaker 1: He was like, yo, I'm telling you like like like

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Speaker 3: Listen, I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: We came in the day that that came out, well

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Speaker 2: I said, man, it's just just the whole reference, like, honest,

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Speaker 2: The boy was our fucking wrong. I really did not

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Speaker 1: Same bro, same like, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 2: But that was that was why the reference was so good,

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Speaker 3: It was a time where that's happening as.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially with me understanding my relationships with the West Coast.

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Speaker 2: You didn't mention in the last record, But I don't

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Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite joints.

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Speaker 1: Before like like Backpack or some ship like that, and.

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Speaker 1: So you know, when we did the Red Bull joint,

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Speaker 1: So like it don't gotta be ad Direcord could have

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Speaker 2: Niggas prepared, and again I'm not here to have you

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Speaker 2: Of the stuff we talked about, because we was on

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Speaker 2: Light is and what his past career. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that he didn't. You know, Paul's come

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Speaker 1: trading tracks, you know what I'm saying. Usually he's on

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You're not thinking with that

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, So that that that made me feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because now you're leaning into optics and

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Speaker 2: You don't need to do that. You don't need to

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything from him, is he posts on

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Speaker 1: I heard he dropping, he dropping the joint soon the album.

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Speaker 1: We take a little SI.

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Speaker 4: And I know Lux was laughing, Like I know when

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Speaker 2: If I remember correctly. On YouTube, it didn't save feature

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, boom. But then after that, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, oh, okay. So

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Speaker 1: then yeah, I went to studio called lux. I said, y'all, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's time. It's time, Yo, I'm about to see you.

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Speaker 1: He sent it back lightning quick. I ain't going on, yeah,

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Speaker 4: He's yeah, he's a he's watched some lux Fur styles

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's it's tough to be objective. But where

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to me.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little higher. Of course, the dust

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Speaker 3: In my opinion. Yeah, if you look.

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Speaker 4: But I was just thinking, like this, nigga Joey getting

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Speaker 1: You know what I'll tell y'all something, right, Like initially

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Speaker 1: that was my approach, Like when Day and Ray first

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Speaker 1: like it, don't it don't I didn't see the win

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Speaker 1: So in that moment, why are we catching a stray

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Speaker 3: Compliment follow people who are actually talking about rap music

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Speaker 1: But so pretty much what I realized, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: in discovery mode about me. Yeah. Absolutely, you know what

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Speaker 1: he mentioned the daylight in Raceio. I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, this is a good opportunity. Now I saw

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Speaker 1: it as like I saw a win in it for me,

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Speaker 1: because I can remind people, not even remind I could

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Speaker 1: me too, you know, I'm definitely was cognizant of it.

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that that was that was a

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Speaker 1: better battle for me, you know what I'm saying, rather

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Speaker 2: It in the midst of that, you don't have to answer,

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Speaker 2: just just blink twice.

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Speaker 3: If Top Dog paid you to do all.

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Speaker 1: That, top do we did have. We did have like fairly,

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Speaker 1: my top. He had. He bought me some some seats,

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Speaker 1: was clever. He's like, Yo, nigga, I've been laughing about

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Speaker 4: So he didn't have this whole elaborate scheme set up

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, nah, you know what I mean, every this

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Speaker 3: What you said, she ain't say nothing.

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Speaker 1: Nobody work work anyways, Listen, nobody knew that I was

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was gonna transpire. Like when I

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Speaker 1: Like it was just surprised every day, you know what

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, no, I need to start like really talking

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: You know how you have in the thoughts about things,

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Speaker 4: and you'd be like, and then when shit happens, you

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Speaker 4: You never had those moments where shit happens, you be like,

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Speaker 4: I knew this was gonna happen two years ago. Well,

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Speaker 4: in particular with the whole thug situation, when he essentially

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Speaker 3: Because that was a win. He was.

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Speaker 4: I think he was facing life, if I'm correct, he was.

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Speaker 4: It was like, oh shit, shout Lebron. Still you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean? It was able to go in there,

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Speaker 4: Tom SR and make some things happen.

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Speaker 3: Tom serve.

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Speaker 4: He obviously has restrictions, can't go here, can't go there.

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Speaker 4: But something about that never sat right with me. I

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Speaker 4: was like, this doesn't I don't think this is the

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Speaker 4: end of this. And lo and behold, now we have

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Speaker 4: these recorded conversations being don't we don't want to say leaked.

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Speaker 4: It's not an album. It's not an album. These conversations

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Speaker 4: are being put out. Yes, And I always felt like

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Speaker 4: the government was gonna find a way, oh shit, to say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: he won, he won the he won the battle. But

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Speaker 4: we're gonna win the war. We're gonna do it whatever

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Speaker 4: we can to completely annihilate his public facing character, his

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Speaker 3: And I believe that this is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 4: This is an attack on dismantling Thug's character, dismantling what

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Speaker 4: everything that Thug stands for. This is not by accident,

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Speaker 4: This is not a leak.

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Speaker 3: This is a.

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Speaker 4: Planned thing that I feel like the government knew, they

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Speaker 4: know exactly what they're doing, and they had this plan

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Speaker 3: When they want you, they're gonna get you.

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Speaker 4: We may not have you in prison, we may not

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Speaker 4: have you behind bars, but we're gonna get you.

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Speaker 3: And I think that this is exactly what is happening here.

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Speaker 4: I think that they are purposely putting these audio recordings

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Speaker 4: out because if anybody has anybody incarcerated, the first thing

433
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 4: you hear when you answer that phone is this call

434
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 4: is being recorded. So you know that this is being recorded.

435
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 4: It's not who keeps the recording. You don't know. We

436
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 4: can guess, Oh, the government has it, the jail system,

437
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 4: the correctional facility has it. So now these recordings that

438
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: they have, if you've ever called from a jail and

439
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 4: talked to somebody, anything you spoke about is recorded and

440
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 4: saved somewhere. So now what the government is essentially doing

441
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 4: is saying, Okay, he's not in prison, let's do whatever

442
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 4: we can do to completely disrupt his image, completely dismantle

443
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 4: his image. And that's exactly what they're trying to do

444
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: with these recordings.

445
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, but also cool with the phone calls. But there's

446
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: also interrogation stuff there. So like you know when people

447
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: in reality TV complain like I was edited this way,

448
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: and then the reply is always like, well, you can't

449
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: edit what you don't do. Yeah, cool, government could be

450
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: behind anything, but what Doug stands for, I don't care

451
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: that they leaked it.

452
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: It happened, like yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying.

453
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: Like it's not like if it was a I'd be like,

454
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: all right, that's some some real, real.

455
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that none of this didn't happen. It

456
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 4: clearly happened. These conversations clearly happen. What I'm saying is

457
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: when people say all these things are it's they're leaking

458
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 4: the conversations. Stop saying these conversations are leaking, But we

459
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 4: conversations are being put out by the government.

460
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: By the fuck you Brian a scientist and Doug.

461
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: As far as that leaked conversation, and we could probably

462
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: safely assume that wasn't the government. That was probably somebody

463
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 2: that worked at the jail that had it and sold

464
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 2: it like that happens a lot too. Shit how we

465
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: saw it, Uh, Solange trying to whoop jay Z's ass

466
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: was because the security people sold the ship. Like I

467
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: do think there's an element there. And we also know

468
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 2: because he where was he locked up?

469
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 3: Was that a federal case now that was with this thing?

470
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: That was No, it was state. Yeah, so it was state.

471
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area.

472
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: We know CEOs come from the same exact hoods that

473
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: the people that are locked up in. I could see

474
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: a world where all this CEO took this ship and

475
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: sold it to somebody or or knew someone that knew

476
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: gun and was like, Yo, he's saying all this shit

477
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: about you. I got all this Like, I can see that.

478
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: The interrogation one though, to me is government.

479
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: It's not that jail phone calls any No, it's not

480
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: tell them ships all the time.

481
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: No, they do not. It's not that easy to get

482
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: those recordings. Those recordings are not just on a recorder

483
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: right here in the office where we having lunch at. No,

484
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: I know, that's not where those recordings located. Those recordings

485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that

486
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: works for the correctional facility, that works for the state,

487
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: they have they have those recordings.

488
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: That's not just somebody.

489
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: Also that monitor those calls that then have to flag

490
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: something if criminal activity is being discussed for the higher

491
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: ups to take care of. If you don't think somebody

492
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and

493
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: play that recording and just like this and get that exact.

494
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: Quality of what they have on those I do think.

495
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: I don't think it's that easy. Okay, No, your lawyers

496
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 4: can absolutely obtain your recordings.

497
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, Gunners lawyers. Oh, I don't think that.

498
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that.

499
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter

500
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: lawyer because I don't know can.

501
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 3: Once you plee.

502
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: Out, why would the lawyer have access to They weren't

503
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: even really co defendants after the police, so how would

504
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: they have access to those calls?

505
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did. Thugs lawyers I

506
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: think can get those, you know, But that's again it

507
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: lets you know when you make a oh this call

508
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: is being recorded of course, So it's just certain things

509
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 4: that you just don't need to be speaking about on

510
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: you know, on those calls on those phones, because again

511
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: you do know that it's being recorded.

512
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: But I mean to me, the calls, whether it be

513
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: with you know, twenty one with other people like, respectfully,

514
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: that was more like gossipy, I'm bored in jail calls.

515
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: To me, the main leak was the interrogation. The two

516
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: interrogation ones, like that's different. That's not a jail phone call.

517
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: That's an interrogation. Like to me, that's where this ship

518
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: is nuts. And I don't know at this point, someone

519
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: just w the street rules because I don't know anymore.

520
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: They are no streets. I'm just I'm not called I'm

521
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: a civilian on my calle.

522
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: Any want to rap, that's not I just want to

523
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: know at this point, what are the updated rules listens.

524
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm very confused.

525
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: People need to understand this, and you know, it just

526
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: is what it is, the streets and all of the

527
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: rules of cold that shit is only upheld by a

528
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: very select few. Everybody's not a rat. Everybody's a snitch,

529
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: but there are rats and now snitches. You go through

530
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 4: every era from the biggest gangsters. You show me who

531
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: the biggest gangster was. Somewhere in their story, I could

532
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: point out somebody that rad it. That's a part of

533
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 4: the snitching is a part of the streets, and people

534
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 4: just need to understand that that's a part of it.

535
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: You know, when you play Mario, it's the little goomers

536
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: that run around.

537
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: That's part of the game.

538
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: You can't play Mario World and not get mushrooms like

539
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 4: that's part that's in the game. You cannot be in

540
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 4: the streets and not think that people are not cooperating

541
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: and not snitching. That is a part of the street rules.

542
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 4: There are snitches, which is why when somebody doesn't snitch

543
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: and doesn't cooperate, they should be saluted to the highest

544
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: degree because we know exactly how many of these people

545
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 4: are cooperating.

546
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: So when you see.

547
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: Somebody take their time and take their punishment and stand

548
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: up to it and don't fold and do that, those

549
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: are the people you salute. Because again, for one person

550
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: that's gonna hold it down, there's one hundred thousand that's

551
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 4: gonna cooperate. But people that hold it down and take

552
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: their sentences, that is very rare. So when people get

553
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: so surprised when they find out that people cooperated or

554
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: gave a statement, is that I look.

555
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: At it, like, what are we surprised about? That's a

556
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: part of the game.

557
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 4: From look at every era, your favorite documentaries, from your

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: favorite gangsters, and street figures. Go through all of the documentaries,

559
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 4: and I guarantee you in every documentary there is somebody

560
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: that cooperated and took the whole thing down.

561
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: Some of your favorites did it, and they.

562
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: Throw parties for these niggas in no condishit. When they

563
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: come home, I'm like, you know that nigga read it right?

564
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: The one thing that they love us say, he ain't

565
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: read on me.

566
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: He ain't right on me.

567
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 4: He will then, Yeah, But y'all don't understand why I

568
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 4: don't like being around this type of shit and these

569
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 4: gods because I look at it and I'm like, yo,

570
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: first of all, I know y'all don't even like each other,

571
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: number one, because I've heard what y'all both said about

572
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: each other to me. So then when I see y'all

573
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 4: doing parties and events and hostings and vacations, I'll be

574
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: sitting back looking like maybe I'm the eyeball. You know

575
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And I'm cool with that maybe, but

576
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: I'm just like, something ain't right with what's going on

577
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: out here, and it hasn't been right forever.

578
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: But it takes.

579
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 4: It takes years of being around certain things and seeing

580
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: certain things to understand like, oh, this is not for me.

581
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: And that's one reason why it was easy for me

582
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: to leave that street shit alone, because I know how

583
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm going. I know that whatever I do, I'm taking

584
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 4: that on the chin. If I get caught up out

585
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: here and I gotta go to prison, I'm taking that.

586
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: Everybody not doing that. So why even put myself in

587
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: a situation where I'm the only one that's gonna hold

588
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: it down. I'm not doing it. I'm asking to lose

589
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: at that point. I'm asking to be the person with

590
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: the short end of the stick because I know if

591
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: they come and say you're you're facing fifteen, give me

592
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: my fifteen. I see y'all in a minute. That's how

593
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: I'm designed. Everybody in design like that. Niggas said fifteen

594
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: years they put a beat on nigga. I'll tell you

595
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: they gonna start telling no niggas that ain't even a

596
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 4: part of the situation.

597
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: And it's cool.

598
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: Come home concert sold out, mert sold out. What I'm saying,

599
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: views going crazy on YouTube. The support is still there,

600
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: and they just put some good dudes behind bars. So

601
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: when you look at that, you're like, all, so what

602
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: am I doing? Because I'm never gonna do that. And

603
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: if that's what you got to do to be accepted

604
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: out here, then I'd rather just not be.

605
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: A part of it. I hate to admit that I enjoyed.

606
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say quietly, I enjoyed the Bobby and

607
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: Drake interveal.

608
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: You enjoyed? What say that again? Huh? That's anything. I

609
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: didn't say anything what was enjoyable.

610
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: But I don't think Punch is gonna like that.

611
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: Know.

612
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: What he said was if you couldn't hear him, he

613
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: said he enjoyed the Bobby All TAF and Drake.

614
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: I would talk about Bbby Brown was it was a

615
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: separate different.

616
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: Bobby Ye shout out to Bobby just got his master's back.

617
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: But don't be cruel and teddy. Yeah, oh congrats, that's crazy.

618
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Bobby Brown.

619
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: Did you watch the Bobby All TF. I'm sure I'm

620
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: mispronouncing that and Drake interview. I see, I don't believe you.

621
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: I feel like you know, I didn't I watch I

622
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: watched the clip. It's funny, I didn't watch the full

623
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: like I watched the whole. They've seen a bunch of clips.

624
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 3: Though it was it was entertaining, I still stand on

625
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it. I didn't watch it yet, though I.

626
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: Still stand on wanting to hear from Drake as well

627
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: as Kendrick, as well as Cole. I want to hear

628
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: from them with black faces. No, not necessarily the people.

629
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: If all three of them Pauls want to sit with

630
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: me in my white face, I'd be happy to.

631
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit in with the culture. I'll be all

632
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: tallish in the culture.

633
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Don't do that because because Elliott dissed us over the

634
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: weekend and everyone called me and said we was beefing Elliott.

635
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: Who I saw that?

636
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Me?

637
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: Nah?

638
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: He whoever tweeted it was very misleading, and then in

639
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: the I didn't see it.

640
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: What do you say, all.

641
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: You podcasters and media men, you rappers the term media men.

642
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 5: I'm a radio act like you' all a media man.

643
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 5: Well all of you have you had your dream come true?

644
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: All the same motherfuckersoul, same elliots. Journalism think means nothing,

645
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: Rob Mark means nothing, Jeremy has means nothing. Your podcaster,

646
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: your former rapper, You're all media men. I'm gonna media personality.

647
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: I'm not a journalist, and I don't want to talk

648
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: about Cardi's album No More. Because the nigga you you

649
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: signed up for the gig. The gig is the gig.

650
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: You barely could talk to artists. They want to know

651
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 5: what you think about everything. We're doing the same goddamn thing.

652
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: I want to call yourself a former. I'm still an artist.

653
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: I'm a media man.

654
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: I'm a podcaster for radio personality.

655
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist.

656
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: Like we're in the same game, motherfucker. We're in the

657
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 5: same game. My nightmares come true. We're in the same game.

658
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 5: We're on the same thing. Whenever you crash out, you

659
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 5: you just got off the subway. Do I see the

660
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: same game, mother fucker. I don't care if you're mall.

661
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: I don't care if you're fat Joe, I'll name names.

662
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: Your opinion does matter because that's the platform. Your audience

663
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: wants your opinion on things you don't. You'll con be

664
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: able to get the drive. I'm not qualified. I'm not

665
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 5: a journalist. We have the MIC's, we're all talking. We're

666
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: doing the same thing. We're all the same media men.

667
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: Oh, because I'm not gonna don't. I don't feel.

668
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Comfortable talking about cardiv music because she don't. I don't

669
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: fel she makes it for me. But that's real. I

670
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: don't feel comfortable talking about anybody that I know didn't

671
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: make anything that I'm not their audience, their target audience.

672
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: That's kind of like, But his point, that's not me

673
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: being I thought that was me being honest. Journalist has

674
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: to speak about everything, they don't. That's the problem. No,

675
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: you don't know the fuck you don't know. You don't.

676
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: Nobody in the world needs to speak on everything, journalists

677
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: or not. You do not need to be speaking on everything.

678
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: And yes, I stand on that. I don't feel comfortable

679
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: sitting here talking about Cardi's v music, Cardi B's music,

680
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 4: because I know she doesn't make music for me.

681
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: What's wrong with that?

682
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: I feel like that's being honest and real, unlike some

683
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: of these other niggas that got mikes in their face

684
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: and just talking. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about

685
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: cardiv music, whether I like it or not. Y'all know

686
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: how I'm coming about Cardi. I fuck with Cardi big

687
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: Bronx shit. I want to see her do anything that

688
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: she put her mind to. I want her to be successful,

689
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music.

690
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: And saying I don't like it because I know Cardi

691
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: ain't going in the booth of laying down balls with

692
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: niggas like me, and huh, so you know what I'm saying,

693
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, duh then her voice, duh, nigga, you're not

694
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: supposed to like it.

695
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

696
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: I wasn't spitting these balls for you.

697
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't feel I don't feel right sitting

698
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: here saying I don't like a Cardi record. I don't

699
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: because I know she ain't making it for me, And

700
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: so yeah, shut up, Elliott. And to me, that is

701
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: what does.

702
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Disprove Elliot's point that he was making, because I think

703
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: that is a form of journalism what Maul just did.

704
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: And you're honest, Yes, that is a form like journal

705
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: The journalist should be honest.

706
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: If integrity Cardi, journalist.

707
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: Should have integrity, and don't none of you niggas got

708
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: more integrity than me.

709
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: Carti is obviously an a lister in hip hop. So

710
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: she's gonna get brought up. And I think you didn't

711
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: avoid It's not like we just stayed quiet about Carti.

712
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I feel like, I wan, that's a whole statement itself.

713
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm not telling that shit Beau ain't for me. It's

714
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: not for me, but I love Cardi.

715
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: Shout out to Cardi, but it's I don't feel right

716
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: saying I don't like a Cardi record like I ain't

717
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: supposed to like. That's like me saying I ain't like

718
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: Carti's outfit, Nigga, she ain't put that on hoping I

719
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: would like it, like to me, I look at it

720
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: in same vein like that doesn't that's not for me.

721
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: It's funny too, because Drake did bring up I guess

722
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: something in that vein with the Bobby interview in regards

723
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists. The

724
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: goal is not to be an unattainable dickhead for your

725
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: whole life and only speak to zaying low while he

726
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: asks you the most curated questions and I mean complex.

727
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: Not to say they took Drake misquoted him, but there

728
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: was more context to what he was suggesting. He more

729
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: or less was saying that artists can also go like

730
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Nikki going to Kai, somebody that is usually does not

731
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: speak to people, is still allowed to go to something

732
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: that's not this formal fucking thing. And he said, no

733
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: disrespect to zaying low as well. He didn't dissay, but

734
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: I understood what he was saying. But it kind of

735
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: goes back to our conversation that we've had a million

736
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: times when it comes to this topic.

737
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: I think there can be a balance of both Nikki

738
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: and Co being.

739
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: An example that Drake brought up, or even Drake and

740
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: Bobby because he's saying that they ushered in the.

741
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: Idea of it.

742
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: I I just want to balance as a fan. I'm

743
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: speaking strictly as a fan. I want to balance. I

744
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: don't think there's a balance. Has Drake not sat down

745
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: with people before? No, No, of course I'm not making this.

746
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: He was talking about artists overall. I think there's been

747
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: a lack of that with a list artists and a

748
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: shit a good amount of artist period that they can

749
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: just go do the fun thing and avoid everything that

750
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: people may want to know on the side. But they're

751
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: also humans. They don't owe us. They don't owe us that.

752
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking as I was waiting for he of

753
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: course they don't. Does Drake owe me any explanation for anything?

754
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: That's like you? But I'm saying some people speak as

755
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: if he does, and he does not.

756
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: But as a fan of music, I can also say

757
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from him with somebody that's

758
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: going to ask questions and receive answers that I.

759
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: Want to know. That's all. Yeah, I think that's fine.

760
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: The reason why I never understood why people get upset

761
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: about it like this is because number one, he sat

762
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: down with people, plenty.

763
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: Of people before. Yeah, but it's different now.

764
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: He sat down in the whole barbershop with Lebron and

765
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: God and the guys. He sat down with Elliot a

766
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: couple of times, had Elliott in his living room, which

767
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 4: I thought was he sat down with a bunch of priests.

768
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: Everything he said, sat down with a bunch of time.

769
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: But that was at a time we wanted to hear.

770
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: That's why that rap Radar interview was so great. Outside

771
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: of beat out and Elliott doing a great job, he addressed,

772
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: he addressed, Okay, shit, he addressed to push a shit, addressed,

773
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: so he dressed, the.

774
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: Kids and all of that.

775
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: You don't see why now things will be different for

776
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: Drake and who he decides to sit next to and.

777
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: Talk to, for sure. But I'm not trying to make

778
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: this a Drake thing.

779
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm going off what Drake was saying about ushering in

780
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: this idea of all artists kind of going this route

781
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: to some degree.

782
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, they don't want to sit down with the

783
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: same old, same old. They don't want to sit down

784
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: and have the same curated conversations. They'd rather sit down

785
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: with somebody that knows them in a different light, has

786
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: the more of a personal connection to them, and they

787
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: could have a fun, cool conversation.

788
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: Kan Nikky didn't know each other at all.

789
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's not that they not that they knew

790
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: each other, but it was just polar opposite worlds. It

791
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: was too So it's like, okay, it's but he's saying

792
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: that I made it cool for it not to be

793
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: the same old, formal sit down type of thing where

794
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: you go and sit down with these people that have

795
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: again these curated questions and these conversations. It's like, people

796
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: don't want to do that old time.

797
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand it.

798
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: But these these same people that they're saying, oh, we

799
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: want them, they've sat down with these people before and

800
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: had conversations with them.

801
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: But everyone's speaking specifically based off what has happened.

802
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: Yes, because everybody wants to hear from Drake now everybody

803
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: wants to ask him about the beef and what happened.

804
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: Of course we get it, But do people not understand

805
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 4: how he would not ever want to sit down with

806
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: any of you niggas? Again, for sure, nobody sees that

807
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: in this equation of course, Oh okay, that's what I'm asking.

808
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: How do how people so surprised?

809
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Again and being completely objective in this, I liked to Kendrick,

810
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: but I still want to hear from Kenrick. I want

811
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: Kendrick to somebody like I have questions.

812
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: It's not just him. You have questions now, I have questions.

813
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why would That's not a weird thing for

814
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: a fan to want?

815
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: No all, I'm not saying as well.

816
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's way for fans to not understand

817
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: why Drake doesn't want to sit next to the spem.

818
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: To me, that's weird.

819
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: But I don't think fans don't not understand. And also, no,

820
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 6: they don't care. Yeah, no, they don't care. It's not

821
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 6: it's not that they don't understand. And honestly, I'm not

822
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 6: I don't think that the fans are crazy for thinking

823
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 6: that there's a little bit of a dodge of not

824
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 6: wanting to talk about certain things. Yes, we want to

825
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 6: do more fun interviews and curated interviews can be boring, this,

826
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 6: this and that. But there's also so many different types

827
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 6: of creators who have a different interview type platforms that

828
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 6: before Bobby Altoff became the thing, or honestly before Drake

829
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 6: made her the thing. Like, there's other people who aren't

830
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 6: the traditional people or people that Drake might have stabbed

831
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 6: him in his back during this beef, Newer, younger people

832
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 6: who are you know what I'm saying, who are doing

833
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: things that he can also sit with, who but who

834
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 6: would also ask him questions They might not be super curated,

835
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 6: but who would also ask him certain questions that I

836
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 6: just don't think that he's prepared to answer. So I

837
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 6: just don't want it to I just one second. I

838
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 6: don't want it to just be I just one second.

839
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 6: I don't want the conversation to just be Drake just

840
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 6: wants to do fun stuff, and he also doesn't want

841
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 6: to sit with fake niggas. There is also the point

842
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 6: of there's certain shit when it comes to that battle

843
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 6: because of the outcome of it and things like that

844
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 6: that Drake just doesn't want to talk about That's okay,

845
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean.

846
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: That people about it. Why you say he doesn't want

847
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: to talk about.

848
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 6: It, I'm what I'm saying is that people are assuming

849
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 6: that he doesn't want to talk about Let me let.

850
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 4: Me say this, people's assumptions and what is two differ.

851
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: But you can you can have a safe assumption that

852
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: when you just throw small little comments on streams anytime,

853
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: you just stake ship, when you talk with Aiden, when

854
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: you talk with because he made little shots and the

855
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: Bobby shit too. It's like it's like the first time

856
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: you saw Marlowe in the wire and do had the

857
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: gun of the head. He said, do it or don't?

858
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: But I got ship to do, like either either talk

859
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: about it or shut up about it? Is I think

860
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: I will. But the fans makes the entitlement thing. But yeah,

861
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: fans are entitled. I'm an entitled fan sometimes.

862
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: But again that's that's again that's a problem though, because

863
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 4: on one hand you're entitled, But on the other hand,

864
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: we know no matter who he sits now with, no

865
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: matter what questions he asked, no matter what answers he gives,

866
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 4: people are still going to have a problem.

867
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: Sure, So what the fuck is the rush to like

868
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: what are we talking?

869
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: Rush?

870
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: No, but what does the fans rush to want him

871
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: to sit down with whoever they want to announce? What

872
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: do you want about it?

873
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: I think he eventually is going to do a real

874
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: interview with somebody, but when he wants to know.

875
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: I think when the album comes out, they'll do.

876
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: That when he wants to. So I don't understand saying

877
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed the interview. I also don't think.

878
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: I don't.

879
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 6: I don't think that. I do think when the album

880
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 6: comes that he'll sit and talk about that. I actually

881
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 6: don't think.

882
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: I think you don't think he'll ever talk about that.

883
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't.

884
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: I didn't say ever, but I don't think that when

885
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 6: the album comes, I don't think he'll talk about it.

886
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 6: I could be wrong, I'm not. I do not know Dregspine,

887
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: but I don't think he will.

888
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't need to, like, he doesn't need

889
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: to use that as a roll out quote unquote like that.

890
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 4: Clearly he doesn't need that. But if you don't think

891
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: that he's gonna sit down one day in address, I mean,

892
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 4: I think he said it at the end of the thing.

893
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: Didn't he say like like i' we're gonna get to it.

894
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna we're gonna I'm gonna see you guys. Like

895
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: so he basically is letting it me know that. No,

896
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to that.

897
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: I thought that was for the album. Yeah, I assumed

898
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: he was.

899
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: No, he said I'm gonna see you guys. Yeah. Yeah,

900
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: but I'm talking about through the music whatever.

901
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 6: Well okay, well what everybody is assuming is that that

902
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 6: was a teaser for the album.

903
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Don't. He doesn't need it to the album. We know

904
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: the album was coming.

905
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: No, that was I'm on tour right now, because I

906
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: think didn't Bobby ask him something about why is he

907
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: doing the US tour and he was like, well, I

908
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 4: just finished the US tour when the whole thing started.

909
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: I was still on tour actually when that thing started,

910
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: and now I'm on a European tour. Like, but we're

911
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: gonna do that. He's gonna get back to touring the US.

912
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: Like my thing is, people are just so he needs

913
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: to sit down with this. Why does it matter? He

914
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 4: could sit down with whoever I wanted to sit down with.

915
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: No matter what he says, I can promise you there's

916
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: going to be a million videos uploaded after the interview saying, Oh,

917
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 4: why didn't he address Oh, I think he's lying about

918
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: that he didn't feel that way.

919
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 6: I mean, I understand that, but he's not special in

920
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 6: that regard because that's what every celebrity. Every single time

921
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 6: a celebrity opens their mouth and they have a certain

922
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 6: amount of popularity, anything that they say is going to

923
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 6: be either clickbaited or turned around or used for a headline.

924
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 6: That's just part of being a celebrity. But I think

925
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: the conversation that people are having is you're sitting up

926
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 6: there talking about certain things with someone that is not

927
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 6: of the culture because they don't even know what questions

928
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 6: to ask you. And I think that that is the

929
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 6: backlash that may become a that doing an interview with

930
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 6: Bobby Altoff is fine, Like, I don't think anybody has

931
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 6: a problem with him doing that. It's just you doing

932
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 6: your your Your attention is going to Bobby Altoff and

933
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 6: Aiden Ross and all of these people who are not

934
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 6: of the culture of music that kind of really birthed

935
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 6: your career. So I think that that maybe what people

936
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 6: have an issue with. I don't think it's that he's

937
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 6: doing interviews with them. I think that he's own it's

938
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 6: because he's only doing interviews with them when there are

939
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 6: plenty of young black creators or you know what I'm saying,

940
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 6: and things like that, or streamers or things like that.

941
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: Right, you strike me as an intelligent woman. Do you

942
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: think that that's purpose, that's that's on purpose that he's

943
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: doing it.

944
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 6: I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore, but I

945
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: have my opinion on drink anymore.

946
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: But I do think that because I don't say, to

947
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: answer you gave with the CARDI ship, I'm stealing that.

948
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, anything I say about Drake will be used against

949
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 6: me in a quarter of law.

950
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: But what I want, what I will say is this.

951
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 6: I think that Drake is very very very very very

952
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 6: very smart, and I think that he likes a certain

953
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 6: level of control when it comes to things. And I

954
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 6: think if he's not ready to talk about something, it

955
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 6: will not be talked about and he will not be

956
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: asked about it. And I think that that is what

957
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 6: is going on. But I don't think that there's anything

958
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: wrong with it. But yes, yes, to answer your question, yes.

959
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: That's not purpose. Yes, that's not purpose. Yeah.

960
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 4: So I mean, I just you know, again people being

961
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: upset because he's not sitting down with whoever. I just

962
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: I don't remember a time again, I'm a little older, y'all.

963
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: Not once during the whole POC Big Biggie beef that

964
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: I ever say, Yo, this.

965
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 3: Nigga POC need to sit down with this person and

966
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: talk about that.

967
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck to hear about none of

968
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: these niggas talk about a rat beef.

969
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: Well, okay, don't do that. Because the Jay and no

970
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: shit Jay sat with Angie. You can find that you.

971
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: Who said he who was sitting there saying, Yo, Jay

972
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: gotta sit down with Angie and talk about this. Who's

973
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 4: saying that nobody even cared about shit like that?

974
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: Well, this is when it comes to like fucking mediatis.

975
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: At that time, nobody had everyone had it was. It

976
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: wasn't nobody.

977
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Will you think anyone wanted to after ether, Nobody wanted

978
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: to hear from Hove.

979
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: Of course no.

980
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: We wanted to hear records, We wanted to hear bars,

981
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: and nobody was asking for an interview. This, this interview

982
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: ship wasn't like this is a whole.

983
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: New world, this interview ship. This is now.

984
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: We're thirteen years old, I nobody cared about what we

985
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: were doing when Jay sat with Angie.

986
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Of course you did. Let me care about it happened.

987
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: You wasn't at home and Queen saying Jay Z needs

988
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: to sit down and talk to somebody about this beef.

989
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 3: You wasn't saying that. You came out.

990
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 6: Because you didn't have to beg for the interviews. You

991
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 6: didn't have to bet, You didn't have to say this

992
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: needs to happen, This needs to happen because you knew

993
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 6: that it would happen.

994
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: No, you didn't. It wasn't even a thought, Trust me,

995
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: I was really out. That was nothing. Nobody was thinking

996
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: about an interview.

997
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: Niggas wanted to hear raps Okay, even though you're right,

998
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: I was not sitting there going Jay needs to talk

999
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: to Angie. But you don't think that whole thought in

1000
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: his mind, with all of the fans that hurt ether

1001
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: and the chatter that was going around the entire country,

1002
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: I need to go sit with Angie.

1003
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 3: That's what he was thinking, saying a thing that people wanted.

1004
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have done it. He needs He was sitting

1005
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: there like listen. Listen.

1006
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 4: First of all, through the whole fucking thing too. It was,

1007
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 4: first of all, the way the thing ended. Jay gave

1008
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: a reason of why he was backing out of the thing.

1009
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: His mom had stepped to him like the energy. So

1010
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: it was a whole thing. But nobody nowhere on no

1011
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 4: Block was saying, yo, I can't wait for the jay

1012
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: Z interview when he talks about this. I can't wait

1013
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: for the BBC or the Jada Kiss interview when they

1014
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: talk about this.

1015
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: That this is a whole new thing with rap. Now

1016
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: you want to hear interviews about him you're talking about

1017
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: you're talking about jay Z. Wasn't on State doing a

1018
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: stream every goddamn night.

1019
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 6: Of course he wasn't, because he wasn't would have stated

1020
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 6: number So number one. First of all, there's most sposal things.

1021
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 6: Number one, like Rory just said, the times have changed

1022
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 6: and we consume more media, and we expect more out

1023
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 6: of our celebrities, right, whether that's good or bad whatever,

1024
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 6: that's one thing. Number two is just because the niggas

1025
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: on the block weren't waiting for the interview does not

1026
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 6: mean that music journalist.

1027
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: But who have we figured out what culture is yet?

1028
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1029
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: Me, yeah, I know exactly what culture.

1030
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 6: Okay, that's convenient because we've asked before. Nobody knew, but

1031
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 6: people who care about music journalism because that has also

1032
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 6: always been a thing, just because it was not your thing,

1033
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 6: that has also always been a thing. There were people

1034
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 6: who waited for the interviews that came out in the source,

1035
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 6: who weren't just there for the pretty pictures and the

1036
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 6: fat and the ads. There were people who waited for

1037
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 6: shit like that. There were people who really cared about

1038
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 6: shit like that. That's how the blog era was beefed.

1039
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 6: I mean was born from people who were in love

1040
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 6: with shit like that. So, yes, people did care about

1041
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 6: those things. No niggas on the block.

1042
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: No they Yes, interviews are always a thing.

1043
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: When they made the politic wig shit, what it was

1044
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: the Vibe cover is what popped the whole shit off.

1045
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: It was media was popped doing the interview. I'm not

1046
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: saying that weren't also scrapped one because everyone hear from podkist.

1047
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm not going to saying that interviews weren't always a

1048
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: part of culture and music and things like that. Yes,

1049
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: artists have always given interviews. Yes, I understand that what

1050
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 4: I'm saying is coming out of a beef with another artist,

1051
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: another rapper. Nobody was asking or saying, yo, why this

1052
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 4: person needs this artist needs to sit down to talk

1053
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: about this. That wasn't a thing until now, and I

1054
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: understand toms have changed. What I'm saying is you can't

1055
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 4: expect an artists to do the things that or sit

1056
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: down with who you want them to sit down with

1057
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: when you want them to sit down with, especially coming

1058
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 4: out of the situation that this particular artist is coming

1059
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: out of, and not try to understand well them. I

1060
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 4: can see why he ain't he doing his own thing

1061
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: and moving on how he want to. He don't give

1062
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: a fuck about the culture anymore because he sees what

1063
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: the culture tried to do to him.

1064
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: Can people are people not missing that part? At the

1065
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: end of the.

1066
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: Day, it doesn't matter. Drake is gonna do whatever the

1067
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: fucking he wants to do, and he has the freedom

1068
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 6: to do that. He doesn't owe us anything. He's given

1069
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 6: us so much he does.

1070
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: Oh, he doesn't want to be culture vulture anymore. So

1071
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: you sat down with a white girl.

1072
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 6: Okay, he doesn't have he doesn't have to he doesn't

1073
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 6: have to work, he doesn't.

1074
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: Have to be a culture vulture.

1075
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: It's actually funny he's taught to being a culture vulture,

1076
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 4: so he sits down with the white girl.

1077
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: That's actually pretty funny. I'm just saying, no, it's funny.

1078
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay,