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Speaker 1: All right, we're back with another episode of Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast. This week, my guest is Tom Schneider. You

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Speaker 1: probably remember Tom from our Wolf episode earlier on, and

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Speaker 1: then we did a couple of episodes of rifle hunting

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Speaker 1: tactics which were wildly popular and much appreciated from our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Tom.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know, if you haven't listened to those Tom,

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know who Tom is, he's probably

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Speaker 1: one of the best all around hunters that I know.

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Speaker 1: You put this guy in the woods chasing elk with

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Speaker 1: a bow. You put him in the woods chasing elk

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Speaker 1: with a rifle, mule the air with a rifle, white

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Speaker 1: tails with a rifle, a bow.

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Speaker 2: You name it.

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Speaker 1: Tom and his family can They're very accomplished hunters. So

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Speaker 1: welcome again to the show. I'm glad to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again for having me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it absolutely. So how was your fall this year?

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked. I know, I feel like you've been busy.

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Speaker 2: I kind of fall.

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Speaker 1: We I watch on social and you're like, you go

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Speaker 1: from working like a madman to being hunting like a madman,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know, you probably haven't hardly

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Speaker 1: had a breath to breathe. How's your fall been?

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Speaker 3: Oh, just like you pretty much summed it up and

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Speaker 3: that one sentence, working and hunting. And I took on

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Speaker 3: more work than I should have this hunting season. So

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Speaker 3: so anytime I am home, it's like, oh, should it

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Speaker 3: be time spend with the wife and kids or going

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Speaker 3: back to full on, you know, long days working in

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Speaker 3: to find that balance. It was. It's been a good fall. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I started in Alaska. I did a moose on Alaska.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time since I hunted moose, and man,

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Speaker 3: I stayed way longer than I should have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was like, I was seeing pictures in Alaska,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, is he still up there hunting? Like, what

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Speaker 2: the heck? RD, He's gone a long time up there.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot what a lot of people were saying too.

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Speaker 3: And I had some friends at home we were talking

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Speaker 3: I got a good lead on a wolfpack. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I can't go, but I'm like I'll be home soon

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Speaker 3: a week or two goes by and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 3: are you back yet. I'm like, no, I'm still in Alaska.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you're still in Alaska. Oh man, Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was interesting, but yeah, I'd say so. I left to

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Speaker 3: Alaska September fifth, and I got back the twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, Wow, that's a that's a long time. That's

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Speaker 1: an amazing trip.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Well, the moose just whipped our butt, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I felt like, so the hunts I've done in

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Speaker 3: the past with moose, and this was before my brother

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Speaker 3: Sny used to just do DIY hunts, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I felt like finding the moose was never the problem,

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Speaker 3: Like it was just the hardest part was packing them out.

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Speaker 3: And this was one of those hunts where I'm like,

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Speaker 3: it really humbled me on moose hunting because I felt

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Speaker 3: And we did a lot of hunting and trying to

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Speaker 3: think a lot of hunters, you know, have this experience

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Speaker 3: just it was just yeah and so, but I try

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Speaker 3: to shorten my story up the last day of moose season,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to moose with the boat, but I said,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, I left the boy at camp and and

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Speaker 3: Without giving too much detail, there just wasn't really good

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of moose activity, they just you

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Speaker 3: really good hunter. I'm a really good hunter. But I

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Speaker 3: have different opinions on how to hunt, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I left a lot of it to Adam, but there

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Speaker 3: was times where I'm like, you see me, I'm kind

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Speaker 3: And after a couple of days of that, I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: So we're just like, hiking's not working, and trying to

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Speaker 3: We're like, let's move. Let's just every single meadow we

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Speaker 3: And Adam even said, he's like, this is the hardest

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Speaker 3: She's a caribou snob, which is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm a meal there snob. She's a caribou snob.

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Speaker 3: We all have, we all have our things. And well, anyways,

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Speaker 3: So let's just say this. So so my first the

427
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Speaker 3: first spot in my mind, I'm gonna, well, i have

428
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Speaker 3: all this energy built up and I've been driving. I'm

429
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: gonna go to the hardest spot first. And there's this.

430
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: It is a good plan, right, And then when I'm

431
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 3: and I and me, when I'm getting older now, I

432
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: used to hit just hard every day, really long miles,

433
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: and now I'll do every other day where I'll go

434
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: one really hard day and one lighter day, one really

435
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: hard day, one lighter day, and so tomorrow is going

436
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: to be a really hard day mapping it. It looks

437
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 3: like it's seven and a half miles back. Uh so.

438
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: But but what I like is, you know, there's not

439
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: a lot of elevation gain. But I'm just gonna get

440
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: up early in the morning. Like I said, I have

441
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: a lot of energy built up. I had the past

442
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: couple of days to sleep in. I got a lot

443
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: of sleep. So I'm just going to get up really early.

444
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: And there's a big, beautiful place where I can glass

445
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 3: from good eyes on on deer. And you know, in

446
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: my mind when I when I looked at that spot

447
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: on the map, like it just it just you know,

448
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: we all have those spots like with you elk hunting

449
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: or it's just like, man, that area just looks elky,

450
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: Like that spot of the mountain just looks like if

451
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: I was a big monster meal there, I'd be right

452
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: there in that opening, you know, away from all the

453
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: hunting pressure. But the bounce side is there's a lot

454
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: of horses back there, and so I made the initiative

455
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: of getting in contact with them and asking them, what

456
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: hunters are you packing back there? Am I is it

457
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: if I go back there, is it just going to

458
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: be am I going to be just you know, walking

459
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: on top of people? And the response I got was

460
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: actually good, and so that the outfitter told me, Hey, no,

461
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: we just do a bunch of drop camps and they're

462
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: just they're just elk hunters. So You're honestly going to

463
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: be the only meal there hunter back there.

464
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

465
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 3: So I'm like sweet and they're like, you're not going

466
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: to interfere with us. Do what you're going to do

467
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: a big buck And so I'm like, all right, sounds

468
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: like a plan. And they even said, you know, I like,

469
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 3: I said, this is a unit I've never even hunted before,

470
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: and but they told me there's big bucks back there.

471
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: So I'm like that even that even clarifies my mind

472
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: of that spot even more. And so it is my

473
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: day one spot. So that's what I'm going to do tomorrow.

474
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I I like to get away from people.

475
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: You know. I know a lot of people like to

476
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: call and find people with advice, and I do that too,

477
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: but it's like the one thing that always goes through

478
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: my mind is if somebody else knows about the spot,

479
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: then who else knows about the spot too, right, and

480
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 3: you know big bucks are going to get big by

481
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: avoiding hunting pressure for long periods of time. And so

482
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: those are the places I want to find, right. Yeah,

483
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 3: it could be hard in Colorado.

484
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, very hard.

485
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: It's it's a popular place for people to go, and

486
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe people before you get there,

487
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, people shoot the deer or you know, in

488
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: the last few years, they just don't have an age

489
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: class in the place you want to go, like, you know,

490
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: they just don't grow old enough.

491
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get it.

492
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: You're trying to find those places where the deer can

493
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: be undisturbed, they can grow a lot, they can grow

494
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: old enough, and you know, sometimes that's just further out

495
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: than some people are willing to walk.

496
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: Most people are willing to walk.

497
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

498
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: So, okay, I got a question. This This question is

499
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: our Pendleton Whiskey question and answer for for the episode.

500
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: And this question is going to be a little bit

501
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: uh self serving, because this is a question for me.

502
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: Normally it's a question from our listeners. But uh, I'm

503
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: just gonna say I'm not your your best backcountry mule

504
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: deer guy. And here's here's here's the dilemma. Every time

505
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: I go mule deer hunting, I can't find mule deer.

506
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm covered up in elk right.

507
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: Now.

508
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: If I were elk cutting, i'd probably see nothing but deer.

509
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: But every time I go a mule deer. I just

510
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: got home from a mulder hunt here in Idaho. You know,

511
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: I've got quite a waste back. The access was pretty good.

512
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: But I'm back there and I had some good intel.

513
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Phelps had just hunted there and he's like, yeah, you

514
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: should go this spot, this spot. Then I get there, man,

515
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm just not turning deer up. And then I start thinking, Okay,

516
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm just not good at glassing. I can't

517
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: pick out deer. But then I start I'm glassing and

518
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: I see a little tiny I'm like it, like eight

519
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I picked out a little weasel running across

520
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: the ground, you know. And I'm like, I'm seeing little

521
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: things like that. I'm seeing an owl in a tree.

522
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm picking out things like I think I'm

523
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: sharp eyed enough, but I'm just missing these deer. But

524
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing the deer.

525
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: But Doug on it elk, like the last the last

526
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: day I was there, I woke I was woke.

527
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Up in my tent to bugle an hour before daylight.

528
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: And I get up and these elk. It was an

529
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: incredible day, Like you know, this is I'm asking about

530
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: mule deer, but these elk rudded. They bugled on their

531
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: own more than I had any I didn't have this

532
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: good action in September. And this was the twenty third

533
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: of October. And these bulls are screaming all day. I

534
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: watched three different bulls breed cows and these are five

535
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: point bowl Two of them were five points well, one

536
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: was a four by five, one was a five by five,

537
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: and one was a spike. I seen the spike jump

538
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: up and breed a cow too, And I'm just like,

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on with these elk?

540
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: Number one? But where the heck are the dang deer.

541
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: This one night, I hiked out and glass glass till

542
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: almost dark and I get back to my tent right

543
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: at dusk, like it's too dark to shoot. But I

544
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: get back to I didn't see nothing. Get back to

545
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: my tent and there's two meal deer does standing next

546
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: to my tent. It's like insult the injury, right, But anyway,

547
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm not turning up deer, I'm turning up elk, or

548
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, maybe nothing at all. So is it like,

549
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: am I just in the wrong spots? I see tracks everywhere.

550
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: I'll see tracks everywhere deer here also deal a lot

551
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: of deer tracks everywhere, but just catching them there at

552
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: the right time. Maybe I'm just not on the right

553
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: vantage point. I do know, like one area I glassed

554
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: all morning and I didn't turn anything up, But once

555
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: I dove in a bit, there were some places I

556
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: couldn't see that I couldn't glass up, and there were

557
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: deer tracks everywhere in there. So is it just the

558
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: matter of like finding the right glassing point, the right

559
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: elevation band?

560
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: What? What?

561
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: What?

562
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Where Am I going wrong here?

563
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: Well? That's that's a great question. And you know, there's

564
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: areas I hunt where elk and mealders seem to run

565
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: the same areas, and and there's vice versa. We're sometimes

566
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: it almost seems like where there's elk, there's not meal there.

567
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: Where there's meal there, there's not elk. I've been told

568
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: by multiple people in the past that they notice that

569
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: when there's more elk numbers that'll it'll drop the meal

570
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: their numbers a little bit, you know. But for me,

571
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: a lot of the mule deer that I hunt and

572
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: kill are are in Elk Habitat, and so I'm hunting

573
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: around Elk all the time. There's obviously there is. I mean,

574
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: you can look at any mountain range with mule deer

575
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: and you can put a big buck just about anywhere

576
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: on that mountain. But there's always those places where, like

577
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: like I was mentioning, where it's just like really mealy

578
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: and what I mean by that, I've always considered, like

579
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: mule deer a sheep with antlers. They they love steep.

580
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: They they they they feel safe out there, you know,

581
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: naturally you see the big ears. They have really good eyes,

582
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: and you know there sometimes there's a misconception, especially with

583
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: the younger bucks when they get shot, people are like, oh,

584
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: they're stupid. They just stand out in the opening. That's

585
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: like their actual natural instinct is to see from a

586
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: distance and see their predation coming from afar. And but

587
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: they also have those spots too. They're they're very adaptable.

588
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: Like you know, I've seen it with hunting pressure where

589
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: all of a sudden the deer realized, well, they're not

590
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: safe in those openings, and after a couple of days,

591
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: you don't see them anymore, and they now they're timber.

592
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: They're timber animals, and so now you're gonna have to

593
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: focus on that. But primetime is really important to me.

594
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: You know the question you ask, It really depends on

595
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: weather and what the weather's doing. But primetime is so

596
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: important to me. With meal they're hunting, especially when you

597
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: have hot, sunny days, when you have a consistent cool

598
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: at night, warm in the day. You know, these deer

599
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: are they have a area, they have a feeding area,

600
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: especially the Bigger Bucks especially, and if it's before the rut,

601
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna put themselves in a place where they feel safe.

602
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: And I've noticed not just with Big Bucks, but Big

603
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: Bull Elk too. They safety is more of a priority

604
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: for them than a food source. And so you'll be

605
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: in these bases just like, OK, right where they're all

606
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: there's all this feed, and you're like, why aren't the

607
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: mule there down here where all the feed is. Well,

608
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: they don't feel safe there. They need this. I've talked

609
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: about this before, the groceries, shelter and the safety. They

610
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: need to feel safe. They need to be able to

611
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: have an escape route too. So when I'm looking at

612
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: e scouting, sure like I can look at the top

613
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: of this basin and you'll see rocks, rock cliffs as

614
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: far as I can see up the canyon. Then there

615
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: might be a little timber patch. Well, if a big

616
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: millie buckles in that little timber patch's I kind of

617
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: stuck there, right. He doesn't have an escape route because

618
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: he goes to the rocks here, is going to get

619
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: killed if he goes in the rocks here. So so

620
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: there has to be a balance there of the grocery

621
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: shelter and the safety. And like I said, a big buck,

622
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: the safety is the biggest priority. And they're always expecting

623
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: predation to come from below them. That's one thing I

624
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: always look at. Secondly, they just like a good escape route.

625
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: So they're going to pick a spot where if a

626
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: predator is coming through, they know how to get out.

627
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: They can get out of the camp country without being realizing.

628
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: You know, And you got a meal their buck that's

629
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: seven eight years old. He's smart. He's actually you know,

630
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: like I said, people think meaales are stupid, but that's

631
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: if you kill young bucks. An old buck is no

632
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: different than hunting an old bull elk, an old white tail.

633
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: They adapt, they learn there's a reason why they're alive

634
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: when they're eight years old. And you know, you get

635
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: that seven to eight year old class, you got a

636
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: mature mealy on your hands. And so that's what I

637
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: like to pursue, you know, And you will find younger

638
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: bucks in those areas. There's a lot of feed, right,

639
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: So like you can get the older lower elevation, you'll

640
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: find young bucks young does and you may not find

641
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: the big bucks there because frankly, it's not a safe

642
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: place for him.

643
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: Right right, answer your question, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think.

644
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Like timing too, Like when when when Phelps was there,

645
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, they were hunting, they were seeing a lot

646
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: of deer, but there was a lot of other people.

647
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: And then I feel like sometimes by the time I

648
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: like on this on this particular trip, by the time

649
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: I got in there, those deer had been disturbed a bit.

650
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, There's been quite a few people through there.

651
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I've seen guys on horses, There've been dirt bikes through.

652
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I feel like at a certain point those deer are

653
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we've seen enough, We're gonna just hang

654
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: super tight. You know, they're not gonna they're not gonna

655
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: expose themselves unless you knew exact the right little exact

656
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: open patch at the right time and the you know,

657
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the first light or the last light at night, you

658
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: might catch them, but you're not going to see him

659
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: out on a big open hell side.

660
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: Is that kind of thing exactly?

661
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: That's kind of like or they may just move out

662
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: of that and just move on to the backside that

663
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: little basin and where they don't get disturbed.

664
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're so now they're looking for a bit

665
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: more safer place, right, Yeah.

666
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: So the next drainage over on the back side of

667
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: this basin, the next drainage over, maybe there's no trails

668
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: in it, and now they're not disturbed anymore. Maybe that's

669
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: where a guy should be looking more so than on

670
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: the side where there's more access.

671
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I do. Yeah, I'm that. I'll give

672
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: another story. So this was twenty nineteen. I a friend

673
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: of mine who never killed the meal deer. He drew

674
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: a meal deer tag ins othern n Idaho, and I

675
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: was actually that was going to be also the first

676
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: year I ever hand of Colorado too, and I was like, oh,

677
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: my way down, I was like, well, how about this, Like,

678
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: I'll help you around this time. I was like, you

679
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: can go down whenever you want, but this is the

680
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: time I can help you, the last day or the

681
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: last week of your season. And I was like, because

682
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: that's the time I can also from there in southern Idaho,

683
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: I can go to Boise, or not Boise, but go

684
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: to kind of you. I did have to drive through Boise, Boise,

685
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: Salt Lake, and then into Colorado, but I can make

686
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: my route through it, you know. So anyways, my first

687
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: stop was his hunt, and you know he already had

688
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks of hunting pressure, right, just like

689
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: what you're saying. So so where I was first thinking

690
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: we're going to see deer, we were not seeing deer,

691
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: not a lot. But but we are looking on the maps.

692
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, as soon as this road ends right here,

693
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of side by side trails, so's this

694
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 3: road ends here. There's a couple draws that just look

695
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: really undisturbed, and it's something that I would personally think

696
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: that someone would overlook. It was funny, as we put

697
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: in at that time, we were four and five half

698
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: five miles in and we were just we were hiking.

699
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: Another time I should have packed a side by side

700
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: or before. We didn't, but we were crossing from uh,

701
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: we were crossing, you know, side by side trail, side

702
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: by side trail, just hiking and we're seeing side by

703
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: sides just driving up and down glassing and we're just like, man,

704
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: this is I don't know, We're this is gonna work,

705
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But in my mind, like

706
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: I said, I was looking at that map, I was like,

707
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: if if I was a meal there, and I had

708
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks of hunting pressure, this is where

709
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: I go. And as soon as we left the road

710
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: system and we got in that part of that section

711
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: of that unit where there was no roads, groups of does,

712
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: groups of dos, and this was late October, the next

713
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: drainage over a bachelor group of bucks. And I handed

714
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: it was my gun, and it's all dialed, so I

715
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: trust it. I handed it to my friend. I said,

716
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: he's never killed a meal in his life. He smokes

717
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: a buck. And this thing, it's it's lopsided, but even

718
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: as being lopsided as it is, it's still scored close.

719
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: It was high one eighties, almost one.

720
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: Holy wow. Wow.

721
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: And I just told him yeah, And I told him

722
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just letting you know now that you

723
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: may never kill a buck this big again.

724
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: That's by the buck of a lifetime.

725
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: And it was like, this is your first, like, this

726
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: is your first ever mule deer, like a lot of

727
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: experience mule deer hunters don't kill bucks like this. And

728
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: he was super grateful, he was really excited. And you know,

729
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: with two guys to boned mule there, we were able

730
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: to get it out pretty easy. We were six we

731
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: were I think, yeah, we were a total of six

732
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: miles back and we had to pack it house.

733
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: W wow.

734
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: That's another question I was going to ask earlier or later.

735
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: But a boned out mule deer, if you're solo, can

736
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: you expect to let's say your day tripping it?

737
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: Right?

738
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Can you bone out a big mule deer buck and

739
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: pack that one trip? Or you think I might want

740
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: a two trip. But they're a pretty big animal.

741
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: It's it's heavy.

742
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 3: It's like it's like an elk rear.

743
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's seventy eighty pounds.

744
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, give or take too, you know, And it

745
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: depends on the unit because some units, they don't require

746
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: you to pack the rib meat, you know, in some

747
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: units due and and so I I typically like, there's like,

748
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: especially in Idaho, there's like no rib meat on a deer,

749
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't want to mess with ribs.

750
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: So but I'll pack everything else out obviously. But uh,

751
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's I've done it. Where like let's say

752
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: it's just one of those days I don't feel like

753
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: packing heavy. I'm like, this is going to be a

754
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: two day trip, like but Sundays, I'm like, I don't

755
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: want to be back here again. I'm a long ways back.

756
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Let's take as many breaks as I have to. I'm

757
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: getting this whole thing out in one trip. I've done it.

758
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: It's it's comparable to it. Like I said, it's about

759
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: comparable to an elk quarter, like a like a big rear,

760
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: I would say, but if you're on a k and

761
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 3: stuff too, like I did that. I packed not last year.

762
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: So last year I killed a big buck and they

763
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: weren't paying much for capes and I was like, it's

764
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 3: half the trip, half the hikes up hill, and I'm

765
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: like I'm leaving the cape. Just just just the meat,

766
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: just the meat, in the in the skull, you know,

767
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: and so but yeah, you can do it if you're

768
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: if you're dedicated, if you can do it one trip,

769
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's extra.

770
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: Wait.

771
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: After packing moose quarters, I tell you what, el quarter

772
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: is so light? I so I packed Travis killed a

773
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: big bowl the other day and you saw that.

774
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: I saw that so jealous.

775
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a giant and yeah, so but that quarter,

776
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: I can you know. I was just like, is this

777
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: really a rear? Like it? After packing a rear moose,

778
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I can actually manhandle this quarter. I

779
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: can pick it up and put it in the bag

780
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: a moose Like, I'm it is so hard to manhandle

781
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: those moose quarters. I also would not use a qu

782
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: bag for a moose quarter either, Like I like a

783
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of Alaskans use the Barney's. But

784
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody has their own special packs. But a

785
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: qu bag gets me through with meal dear nelk any

786
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: day just fine. But for but for moose, I need

787
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: a Barney's like a big metal frame bag. And they

788
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: got good like you can get the weight high too.

789
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: They kind of have a big shelf where you can

790
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: pick the weight up high and stuff, so that makes

791
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: it nice. My little you see my sister, she's she's

792
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: a short little girl, and she throws moose quarters on

793
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: that are just as tall as she is, and she

794
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 3: just walks out.

795
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 2: She's tough. She's amazing.

796
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: She's tough. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I guess I'm answering

797
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: every question very slowly and detail.

798
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: No, I love it. I love it.

799
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: How many days do you think, you know, if someone

800
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: wants to be a successful mule deer hunter, can you

801
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: just weaken warrior it? Or if you want to, like,

802
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: if you really want to get into this, you want

803
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: to take like a ten day trip, how many days

804
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: should you really expect to take off to go on

805
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: a on a mule theier trip? And and like how

806
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: many days do you expect to be in Colorado where

807
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: you're at?

808
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: So with this this season, it's it's a very it's

809
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: called second season, which which this season kind of goes

810
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: throughout a lot of states. I'm not giving out any

811
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: detail of this, but it's about an eight day season

812
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: and so it's short, so I'm going to stay the

813
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: whole time. For me, I think this is the most

814
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: important thing for hunters to know, and we don't, and

815
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: I don't think people think about this often, but I

816
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: before every hunt, I try to prepare myself financially, right

817
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: like that. I try to get all my tea's cross

818
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: and I's dotted. If there's bills I need to pay,

819
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: I try to get those done. You know. The last

820
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: thing I want to do with when I go on

821
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: a trip is feel like half of myself's at home.

822
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: Like it's really hard for me to focus. I mean,

823
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: for sure, I still like to. You know, I'm consistently

824
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: anytime I'm in service, call my wife and kids, tell

825
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: them how much I love them and stuff. But when

826
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm out there hunting, I don't want to feel like,

827
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: oh shoot, I have all these work obligations at home.

828
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: I don't have all this stuff I need to get

829
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: done at home. Like that stuff will make a guy

830
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: come home early, you know what I mean. And so

831
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: and also not be prepared either, so not bringing everything

832
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: you need, not you know, not having a comfortable camp.

833
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: You know, Like like for me, what I do is

834
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: I and I'll rough a camp. But I'll tell you

835
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: what I did on this trip in which we kind

836
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: of talked about it. Right, So this right here is

837
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: so I said, this is like a base camp right here.

838
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: Got my wal tent and I have power here, which

839
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: is nice. Yeah, I just I picked a camp site

840
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: in my unit and close to town. I can get

841
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 3: groceries and stuff and then at least in this area,

842
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: in this you not have that luxury, right, not all

843
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: units have that. But now I also have a small

844
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: little qu tint. So if I have somewhere, I want

845
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: to spend a couple of days in the back country

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: and not have to wake up like crazierly in the

847
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: morning to hike four to five miles to get to

848
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: where I'm actually a mule deer. I can actually pack

849
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: a little day camp, you know, back there and sleep

850
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: and then hike tomorrow. I've got a lot of energy

851
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: to burn off, so I'm just going to do it

852
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: one day, seven miles in seven miles. It's going to

853
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: be at least that's how the trail goes. But you

854
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: know how it is, you start taking your own routes

855
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: and stuff, it's probably going to end up being fifteen

856
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 3: or sixteen miles by the end of the day.

857
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Oh definitely.

858
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: But I got energy, Like I said, I've just been

859
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: I've been scouting and a lot of my scouting has just

860
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: been running road systems and stuff and trying to find

861
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: trail heads to you know, seeing if I can access

862
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: the trail heads. And but no, I'm looking forward tomorrow.

863
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: I'll be doing a lot of hiking. I'll be burning

864
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: a lot of energy. You're asking earlier about on average

865
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: how far you can hike, I'd say, how far do

866
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 3: you expect to hike? I'd say, you know, it depends

867
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: on the area. But for day hunting. For day hiking,

868
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: I like places between four to five miles and and

869
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 3: four to five miles out, Like if you start getting

870
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: a little further than that, you kind of want to

871
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: Typically I'll like to camp it out and just wake

872
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: up and not and be fully rested as a you know,

873
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: as I'm starting to hunt me ole deer. But like

874
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: I said, tomorrow, I'm just going to try to do

875
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: it all one day. Though it's just gonna oh it's

876
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: going to be a.

877
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: Big day tomorrow.

878
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: Looking forward to it though, all I need is one day.

879
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: I just need one deer.

880
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, yeah, and if you have to double

881
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: you can make two trips.

882
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make two trips out of it. So that's

883
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: not a problem at all. Like I said, I got time. So,

884
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: like I said, I like to financially prepare myself. And

885
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: it's not just like doesn't mean you have everything paid off.

886
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: Just you have everything, all your ducks in line before

887
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: you leave your house. Otherwise you're going to feel like

888
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: you're missing things at home. I said, if you rough

889
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: it too much, then I feel like a lot of guys,

890
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: you got to know your own self too, and what

891
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: you can handle, because if you're roughing out too much,

892
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: you realize you can't handle that. That also might make

893
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: you come home early. So so don't rough it as hard,

894
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 3: take your time. You know. I'm the type of guy

895
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: like I I can live like a nomad. I can

896
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: just you know, I can spend weeks in the bush

897
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: without having any soeul service and I'll be okay. And

898
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: but but there is something to be said about having

899
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: a nice base camp. We're comfortable, got good food, and

900
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: then go from there, you know, especially when you're hunting

901
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: out of towns.

902
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: Right right, I found if I'm let's say, like this September,

903
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: we did a lot of backpack hunting, bivy hunting, and

904
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: well spike camp after being in there four or five days.

905
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: Man, you kind of get chewed up.

906
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: And sped out a little bit by the mountain and

907
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: the elk, you know, and and if you can come

908
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: out and take a shower or like we didn't have showers,

909
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: but we could jump in a We jumped in the

910
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: creek right and washed and cleaned up and like just

911
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: had some normal food instead of freeze dried. It's like

912
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: a really good reset, like just getting clean, getting refocused,

913
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: like okay, you know, maybe had cell service called home

914
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: made everything sure, everything was good, Everything's good, and it's

915
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: almost like, okay, round two, we're just fresh as a

916
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: fresh as a daisy again. Just that means a lot

917
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: to be able to have that kind of a backup

918
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: spot or a place to like kind of recharge, clean up,

919
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: and then go go again without. You know, if you

920
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: didn't have that, you may you may just throw in

921
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: the talent say you know what, heck with it, I'm

922
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna go home.

923
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and probably the longest I've ever stayed out

924
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: is because of a wall tent too. When you have

925
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: a wall tent, like for me, it's staying dry, like

926
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: you know, I can the camping in September is actually

927
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: it just depends in the area too. If it's like

928
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: really rough weather. But if it's like nice weather, I

929
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: can stay a very long time, you know, hunting in September.

930
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: But with a lot of weather and stuff that does

931
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: wear on you, you know, and it doesn't matter if

932
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: there's good weather or bad weather. A wall tent with

933
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: a wood stove, man, I tell you what, that's a

934
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: game changer. So if you're able to pack in with

935
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: lamas or horses and mules, or if you guys use goats,

936
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: use that, utilize that. If you're going far back, I

937
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: will tell you right now, you will. You'll be really

938
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: comfortable at camp. You know, pack some good meals like

939
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: space those mountain houses or Peak Refield or whatever. Space

940
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: out those freeze dry's meal. I do my own freeze dried. Well.

941
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: When I say I do my own, I make the

942
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: list of things I want and I give it to

943
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: my wife. I'm like, make that for me, please, And

944
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: so she makes packages them for me, and so I

945
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: just give her the ingredients and so she makes me

946
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: the meals. And so I got plenty of free dried

947
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: meals right now. And it's good to feel prepared, you know,

948
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: like you know, on this hunt, I may you know,

949
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: you never know it's a hunt, so I may come

950
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: out without a meal, dear. But the thing is, I'm

951
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: I'm prepared on this hunt. I have everything I need.

952
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable at camp and I've done enough eat

953
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: scouting enough to where even like my brother today, I

954
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: was talking to my brother, He's like, hey, I have

955
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: another lead for you of somebody that may have hunted

956
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 3: that union in the past. I'm like, honestly, it doesn't

957
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: matter what they tell me. It's great to have more information,

958
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: but at this point of the amount of scouting I've done,

959
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: I don't think I need any more information. Like I

960
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: feel like I'm ready. I just need to put in

961
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: the miles. I just need to hunt like you can.

962
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: I can litter this whole unit with pins and where

963
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: there's once a big mule there once lived, you know,

964
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: but it's dead now, so I can't kill that meal

965
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: there anymore.

966
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: You can't chase gut piles.

967
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: You can't chase gut pile. And you know, like I said,

968
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 3: the more hunting pressure in an area, the less age

969
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: class you have. So but he that being said, I

970
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: feel ready on this hunt, and I'm excited, you know,

971
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: the nervousness is kind of gone, i'd like to say,

972
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: and I'm just ready to throw my pack on. I'm

973
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: just itching the hike. And but I don't want to

974
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: push everything out some of the areas where I want

975
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: to go. I feel like if I go in there now,

976
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: I'll push the mealis out. So I'm just like, just

977
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: go opener, don't push anything out, and go from there.

978
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: I think that's smart, would you say so? So primetime,

979
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: that's first light, last light, midday? Are you still like

980
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: just picking apart, like looking in the shadows of tree

981
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: tree wells and just looking everywhere like with a spot

982
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: or just trying to Okay, I haven't spotted the buck

983
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: I want, but I think there's probably some other deer

984
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: betted on this hillside or these little clumps of timber

985
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: or whatever you can glass into. Are you just glassing

986
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: to those midday just trying to like find something or

987
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: are you kind of recharging the batteries a little bit,

988
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, and just taking a break, taking a nap.

989
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: Are you hiking? Are you like are you are you.

990
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Busting through timber just like trying to like maybe jump

991
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: one what are you doing are you that mid day?

992
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: So if it's not primetime, so it's usually that's that's

993
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: a lot of great.

994
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: That's great question. And I think it depends on the weather.

995
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: It depends on the habitat. Like if it's an area

996
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: where there's just like there's only one little opening them

997
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: for them to feed in. Let's say, like and it's

998
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: going to be hot in the day. I mean to me,

999
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: the writing's on the wall, right, especially if it's early

1000
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: season meal there. And when I mean early, I'm talking

1001
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: like still in October. I might take a nap, I

1002
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: might just rest up, you know, I especially if you

1003
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 3: take a lot of time off the meal there. Hunt.

1004
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: I want to like, I'm trying to utilize the best

1005
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: days possible on the hunt. Like if there's a good

1006
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: weather day, I'm like, this is the day I want

1007
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: to put in all my energy.

1008
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: And a good weather day is that Like is that

1009
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of like an overcast day, maybe a drizzled day,

1010
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: it'd be a cold.

1011
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, a cold day could be a weather day. One thing,

1012
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: I really I like to hunt, not just it's I

1013
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: love hunting in the weather. I just hate dealing with

1014
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: technology in the weather. So us with our filming and stuff.

1015
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: It's just a hassle dealing with a video camera. But

1016
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 3: man if I didn't have to do with a video camera.

1017
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: I love hunting on a stormy day. When the storms

1018
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: are going on and off throughout the day, it makes

1019
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: like they'll they'll bed down, feed, bed down, feed throughout

1020
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 3: the day, and you're just like you're getting all day activity.

1021
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: Another thing I like is right after a massive storm

1022
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: and it just cools everything down, they'll just pound the

1023
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: next couple of days just hard. I'm like, this is

1024
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: all my energy I've saved up for and you know

1025
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: it's the same I see what they'll cunt in Tea

1026
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: where you'll see a storm, Like you look at the forecast,

1027
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: you see a big storm coming and it's like, in

1028
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: the next couple of days it's going to be super hot.

1029
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, honestly, I'm not gonna waste my time in

1030
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: these really hot days. Like I'll hunt the prime time,

1031
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: I'll hunt the evening, but all day on those after

1032
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: that storm hits off's I'm gonna put all my energy in.

1033
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: People burn themselves out before the hunting gets good, and

1034
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: so I like to pay myself sometimes, so I'm not

1035
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: trying to be like a lazy hunter, but sometimes you

1036
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 3: like to pace yourself to say that you can't glass

1037
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: up a mule there mid day in the hot day.

1038
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you can't. Yes, sometimes they are glassy,

1039
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, if you have nothing else to do, to

1040
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: put your eyes in the glass and scan the whole hillside,

1041
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: look under every you know, under every tree, every nook

1042
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: and cranny, every every rock. You know. But my time

1043
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: is best spent in prime time on those hot days.

1044
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: And you know, I see in the weather too, we're

1045
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: going to have some storms next week and I'm just like,

1046
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: bring it barring the storms, and I'm looking forward to it.

1047
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: I really love a snow background too, So that's always helpful.

1048
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 3: All of different techniques, I mean, I it's and it's

1049
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: all scenario based, right. That's why it's really hard to

1050
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say if you do a B

1051
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: and C, this is what you're going to get on D.

1052
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: You know, hunting's very especially hunting the older it's it's

1053
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: one of those things you have to adapt to, right,

1054
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: you know. And I always wish I can give a

1055
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: direct answer for everything, because it's like, you know, You're like, Okay,

1056
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: in this scenario, time, what do I do. I'm like, well,

1057
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: it depends what's the weather doing. Because if the weather's

1058
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 3: doing this, I'm not going to do that. If it's

1059
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: doing this, then I will do that. You know, in

1060
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: the rut, I will hunt the rut differently than I'll

1061
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 3: hunt pre rut. Right so, right now, at this time,

1062
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 3: it's not the rut, and so I'm gonna hunt. I'm

1063
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: gonna find bucks. I'm going to ignore dose because the

1064
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: bucks are not where the dos are. Maybe some younger bucks,

1065
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: but if I see a do, I'm likenk like, oh,

1066
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: there could be a big buck near by. No, I'm

1067
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: going to ignore every dough I see. And I'm just

1068
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: gonna go where I think a big Buck's going to go.

1069
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 3: When the rut kicks in, I my my gears change.

1070
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: I am like, I'm not going where I think a

1071
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: big Buck's going to go. I'm going where the dose

1072
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: are because that big buck he's going to make his

1073
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: routes and he's eventually gonna connect to those does.

1074
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1075
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he leaves his fortress of solitude and then he

1076
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: goes he goes on the prowl for those does.

1077
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: So exactly. We're talking about that safety that they like,

1078
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: those big bucks lose that all of a sudden they're

1079
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: in the rut. That is your window. It's the same

1080
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: with elk. That is your window to kill a big bull.

1081
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: Elk is during the rut. Same thing with the mealy buck.

1082
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: That's the time when they their guard is down. They

1083
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: still can be skittish, but their guard is down. They're

1084
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: focused on dos and they're focused focused on breeding. And

1085
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: you can catch a big buck, you know, and for

1086
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: him the wrong place at the wrong time for you

1087
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: the right place, right time.

1088
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I love tracking bucks

1089
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: in the snow.

1090
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 3: It's fun.

1091
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've you've had some really good success. I've watched

1092
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: some videos. You've got some crazy videos on YouTube. In

1093
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: case our listeners haven't seen Tom and his family, they

1094
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: have stuck in the Rut YouTube channel, and man, there's

1095
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: so many, so many good in credit videos of all species.

1096
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: But there's some really cool ones.

1097
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: A mule there too, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, i'd say

1098
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: in my family because like I said, Tana, Tanna's a mule.

1099
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: There's Lebra Adams, a moose snob. Travis is the elk snob.

1100
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm an elk, like I you know, and

1101
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: our whole family will everything. But everybody has their own

1102
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 3: animal that they just like really gravitate to and hunting,

1103
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: And for me, I mean wolves. I got into wolf

1104
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: fund just because I was a pissed off elk hunter, right,

1105
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: So that's how I got in the wolf But Meali's

1106
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: there's just some about mellies that I've always loved and

1107
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: and Mealie's that's my a Mealy Snob's that's that's like,

1108
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 3: you know, And I wouldn't say there's something about the

1109
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: magic of September and bulan elk, but there's also some

1110
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 3: about the magic and chasing a big rut and Mealy

1111
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: buck with a swelled neck in the snow in the rocks,

1112
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: just looking back. I always have this image in my

1113
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: head of a big muster but just looking back at

1114
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: me in the rocks, and and it's just like, as

1115
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm hiking, and I know I have a long ways ago,

1116
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: it's like, how do you occupy yourself in that long hike?

1117
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: I just that image just replays my head over and

1118
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: over and over again, just on repeat, of that big

1119
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: buck just around the corner on the next drainage, you know,

1120
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: and and that's what keeps my blood going.

1121
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: I love it.

1122
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: I love cafe.

1123
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you this because I know

1124
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: I have this. It's like an internal monologue. And this

1125
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: plays throughout the year, and of course more intense in September.

1126
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: But I get this internal monologue in this little voice

1127
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: inside my head. It's my own voice, but it's like,

1128
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: got to kill a big bull, got to kill a

1129
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: big bull, got to kill a big bull, got to

1130
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: find a big bull. Like this little thing in my head,

1131
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Like it's like on repeat, and it's almost like your

1132
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: your your little vision of that of the big mule,

1133
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: your buck is that kind of Do you have that

1134
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: internal monologue that, oh my God, says that same stuff

1135
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: to you.

1136
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: It's worse when I'm solo because I actually start saying

1137
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 3: it slightly out loud. I'm like, if somebody, yeah heard me,

1138
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: I think I'm a crazy person.

1139
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: I know I need to say, like if I'm by myself,

1140
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I mutter it.

1141
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: I was driving, right, I was driving, and I was

1142
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you can do this toime, you can

1143
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: kill a big bug. I was saying it out loud,

1144
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: and I'm just like if somebody was sitting with me

1145
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: next to in my seat, or just like what dude,

1146
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: you need to calm the freak down, or you know.

1147
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: Like, what's wrong with this guy?

1148
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: What's wrong with this guy?

1149
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: Okay, well I didn't know if I was a weirdo.

1150
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

1151
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: So it's good other people have this stuff going inside

1152
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: their head. And I wonder about, you know, all of

1153
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: our listeners who are dedicated hunters, if they have that

1154
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: same little internal monologue or maybe sometimes they mutter mumble

1155
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: to themselves that same kind of stuff like.

1156
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I gotta find the big buck, where's the big poll?

1157
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: I gotta get it, Like.

1158
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: I think meal deer too, So like elk hunt and

1159
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: stuff is one of those animals I like to hunt

1160
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: as a group with other people and stuff, you know,

1161
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: and it could with post ra elk and then also

1162
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: with just hunt Mealle's for something to be said. I

1163
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: love the solo part of it. And you know, there's

1164
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: a lot of ways you can prepare for a hunt.

1165
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: You can you can prepare yourself physically, right, but I'm

1166
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: going back to like preparing yourself mentally, like for me, Like,

1167
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: I know, some guys that are just really good in shape,

1168
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: are really in shape, you know. And I'll use my

1169
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: little brother for example, Trevor. He's really in shape and

1170
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: he he's he's like a very avid elk hunter, so

1171
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: you know, so just not to confuse there, I have

1172
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: my older brother Traps my little brother Trevor. Trevor is

1173
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: a very avid elk hunter, and he's very avid in

1174
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: a lot of other hunts, but meal deer is one

1175
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: of those animals he never really got into. And so

1176
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: he's physically in shape to kill a mule deer, but

1177
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: he just like doesn't put in the time right. And

1178
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: not a dis on your brother if you're listening, but uh,

1179
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: he's a good hunter, like everybody in the family is.

1180
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: But like and even even Travis and even my brother

1181
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: in law Adam, they all say, like, dude, like Travis

1182
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: is a little bit more Mealy hunter than you know

1183
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: with me. But you know, Adam says, he's just like, dude,

1184
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: I just can't do what you do with Meal there,

1185
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: like just putting in the time, you know, like with

1186
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: Mealy's And.

1187
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: He's not that mad at him, He's not that bad

1188
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: at the Meal there, like to put in that amount

1189
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: of time and effort.

1190
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1191
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: He's like that with Moose right and and Travis. Like

1192
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: I said, he's more of like elk, Like elk is

1193
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: one of those things. He just feels like that's his fix,

1194
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: Like he has to kill his elk, you know. And me,

1195
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: that's my meal there. I'm like, I have to get

1196
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: a meal there. This year. I have two meal there tags.

1197
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: But I'm like, at least one of them needs field

1198
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: and it has to be on a big buck that's

1199
01:00:54,600 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: in my head, you know. And also when and not decinating,

1200
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: but I okay, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna speak,

1201
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: just just say what I'm going to say. And uh,

1202
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people say that it's about

1203
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: It's just about the whole experience of the hunt. Just

1204
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 3: imagine anyone playing a sport. They imagine an NFL player saying,

1205
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 3: I'm just here to have a good time.

1206
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah no, No, they're not there for that. Hey, they're

1207
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: they're they're on a mission, right or there for a win.

1208
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: They're there for a win. When I go a meal,

1209
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: they're hunting and hunt any animal. I'm on a mission.

1210
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: My mission is to kill now what if I don't

1211
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: kill like And then I'll reflect back on the experience

1212
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: and I'll say, you know, still, I learned a lot

1213
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: on that hunt. What can I do better?

1214
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: So I don't make the same mistakes, right, Like, I'm

1215
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 3: not going to go out of the hunt not learn something.

1216
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say I come out every you know,

1217
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: out of every hunt successfully. But when I go on

1218
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: a hunt, I'm on a mission. I didn't travel away

1219
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: from my family for this many days. It's it's an

1220
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: eight day hunt. But I'm I'm I've been down here

1221
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: for a couple of days already, and then the drive

1222
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: back is a long drive, and so you know, there's

1223
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 3: a lot of time I'm away from the family. Once again.

1224
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: I'm not here just for oh I just I'm here

1225
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: for take a picture of the sunset. No, I'm not

1226
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: here for a sunset photo. I'm here for a big

1227
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: mealy buck. And I would love that. I would love

1228
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: to take a photo of a big millied buck with

1229
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: a sunset in the background. That would be nice with

1230
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 3: you in it, with me exactly, No, not someone else

1231
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 3: but me in it.

1232
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that mindset too, you know, Yeah, you know,

1233
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: of course we we love the whole experience of hunting

1234
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: and being in the woods and just being immersed in it.

1235
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't you know, but you can. You

1236
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: could kind of get those same fixes if you just

1237
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go on hikes in the summertime, just being out,

1238
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, in beautiful places in the woods, and the

1239
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: weather's probably a little nicer, and it might even be

1240
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: a little funner without the pressure of killing. But I'm

1241
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: the same way. I want to I'm i'm I want

1242
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: to know, I'm showing up to notch my tag. I

1243
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: want to I want to bring home an elk, I

1244
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: want to bring home a deer or whatever. But I

1245
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: can see your point though, too. It's like, yeah, I

1246
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: have that same mindset or feeling when I go elk hunting,

1247
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: maybe not so much Muldier hunting. I'm not as maybe

1248
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: driven or as as like mad at the deer. Yeah,

1249
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: I always give Phelps a hard time while you're so

1250
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: mad at.

1251
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: These deer, these bears.

1252
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: But but but I do understand that whole mindset, which

1253
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I can appreciate.

1254
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: So we're we're about out of time. I wanted to.

1255
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: Talk quiz a little bit. So you you've talked here

1256
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: for an hour about mule deer hunting and stuff. You

1257
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: actually have a hunting course on how to hunt mule

1258
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: deer that you've you've built, designed and can you.

1259
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Talk about that a little bit?

1260
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I can, And you know, for the m pformation

1261
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: we shared today is honest, just like a sliver or

1262
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: what you can learn on that meal their masterclass. So

1263
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: I did this online course. It's been going for now.

1264
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: I think it's has it been three years? I think

1265
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: I've had this course now for three years. I updated,

1266
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 3: I put new information in it every every single year.

1267
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: At the end of the meal of their season, I

1268
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 3: have a lot more new content when I post a

1269
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: hunt on YouTube, and I would do it for the entertainment,

1270
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't really show the whole process when on the

1271
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 3: meal of their master class, I show the whole process.

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Speaker 3: I show from e scouting to arriving to showing what

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Speaker 3: I do and finding the bucks. I said, most of

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Speaker 3: these hunts, you know, as much as I want to

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Speaker 3: feel like people are giving me way points, that's not

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Speaker 3: really how I'm finding deer. Like I said, I'm I

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Speaker 3: try to hunt deer that don't have any hunting pressure,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm out going in places where there hasn't

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Speaker 3: been a gut pile in a while, and I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to create a new gut pile with an old with

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Speaker 3: an old, mature meal deer, and I'm hunting, and I

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Speaker 3: guess a couple of questions that I've had to answer,

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: you know, because it's kind of a similar one is

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Speaker 3: does it work in all terrains? And I'd say, yes,

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Speaker 3: it does. You know, when I there was a time

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Speaker 3: when I started hunting sagebrushed country mule deer. The first

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Speaker 3: time in my head I ever thought was these are

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Speaker 3: a different meal theer that when I'm used to hunting,

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Speaker 3: I'm hunting heavy timber bucks and in the high mountains

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Speaker 3: and not this flat country in the desert. Well, I've

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Speaker 3: come to find out they're the same deer. It's just

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Speaker 3: their habitat's different. That's the only thing that's different. They're

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01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 3: the same deer. If you threw a big, old timber

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: buck in the sage brush, he's going to eventually adapt

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Speaker 3: to the sagebrush terrain and he's going to act like

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Speaker 3: any other sagebrush mule deer vice versa. You throw a

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Speaker 3: sagebrush mule theer up in the heavy mountains, he's going

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01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 3: to act the same. Some some migrations are far like Wyoming,

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Speaker 3: where you get so much snow. If the deer stay,

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Speaker 3: they died, right. Some areas don't get as much snow,

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Speaker 3: so they the man the ameaalies pulled to the base

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Speaker 3: of the mountain. Instead of making this one hundred mile trick,

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's as simple of just dropping some elevation.

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01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: So Maryas don't get snow at all, right, and so

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: so in the meal their Masterclass, what I do is

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Speaker 3: I try to help people understand the meal deer itself.

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the first thing I do

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: is we teach. And I'm using this not just on

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Speaker 3: my own knowledge, but it's knowledge from other experienced meal

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Speaker 3: their hunters. So and I'm talking like old timers, guys

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Speaker 3: that I've looked up to for years who taught me

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Speaker 3: how to hunt meal deer. These are guys that are

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 3: they're in their seventies and they're too old to hike,

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01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: and they kind of live through us. They see the

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Speaker 3: big mealies I kill and it just brings them joy

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: because they're like they know they're the they're responsible for

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Speaker 3: teaching me. These things and these hunting tactics and and

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Speaker 3: so so when I'm saying, when I create this meal

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Speaker 3: their master class. Remember it's not just my life experience,

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Speaker 3: but it's several years, several generations of experience in hunt

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: meal deer bucks. And so this is from covering, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I cover throughout the year, from shed hunting to

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Speaker 3: scouting in the summers, to hunting in the fall, from

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Speaker 3: September hunting, October, November and even December hunting. If you

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Speaker 3: if you guys have a unit where it's a post

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Speaker 3: rut meal there hunt, so we cover everything meal there.

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Speaker 3: And and as you guys know too, is I have

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Speaker 3: If anyone who's follows stuck in the rut, you would

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01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: know that we hunt heavy timber a lot too. And

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Speaker 3: so which is a completely different tactic than most meal

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Speaker 3: their hunters know. It is hunting timber, hunting close range

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Speaker 3: to these mealy bucks. You know. For me, I'm either hunting,

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Speaker 3: I'm either glassing for long rain shot a six of

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Speaker 3: seven hundred yards, or I'm shooting a meal there. Like

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Speaker 3: last year, I'm hunting. I was hunting an area where

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Speaker 3: the mountains nine timber, you know, And as soon as

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Speaker 3: the snow gets deep in the above tree line, above

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Speaker 3: that above tree line. Then they just they pull the

1339
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: timber right and you're timber hunting. There's no glassing, you know,

1340
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: maybe a little glassing, which I explain in the video.

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: And you're but you're doing a lot of observation. You're

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: you're you're observing scat, you're observing tracks. You know. The

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: one thing I teach about tracks is, you know, tracks

1344
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 3: always tell a story. You know, when you're when you're

1345
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: all cunning in September, same thing, you're seeing a herd

1346
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: of coug, you see a bull track, you see what

1347
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: you're seeing. What's going on? You're seeing a story right there.

1348
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 3: And you're trying to put the story together. And what

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 3: they're doing are they feeding is are they just passing through?

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: Are they bedding down? Like you know, you're trying to

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01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: find everything. Like the tracks tell a story, A rub

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: tells a story. Trying to find out if it's a

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 3: rub line that mealies frequently pass or is it simply

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: just a random rub that a buck made. You know, Yeah,

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: I teach about rub lines. I teach about calling a

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Speaker 3: lot of how many people do you hear of callin mule? Deer.

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: I can count on one hand and only use a

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: couple of fingers. Not very many people call mule deer.

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've and I've killed quite a few call him,

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01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 3: believe it or not, the bull or the buck. I

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 3: called him last year. I called it and it was

1362
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 3: using I was using that Phelps uh phone call. Oh yeah,

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 3: yeah it was money man brought that buck right in.

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 3: It was awesome. So yeah, it does work. But I've

1365
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 3: also used grunt tubes. I've rattled Mule's I did rattle.

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: If you watched last year's YouTube episode, it shows me.

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01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: I rattled a pretty nice h He needed one more year.

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 3: He's about a three year old, so we'll see this year.

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: I'll see how he looks this year if he crosses

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: my path. But he was like he needs to get

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Speaker 3: those forks bigger. But he had a good frame.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, how can people look this course up?

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01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 3: So it's uh, it's it's wordy, but it's stuck in

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Speaker 3: round mule der masterclass dot com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stuck in the rut.

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Speaker 3: Spell that stuck and stuck s t U c K

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Speaker 3: And instead of I n the rut dot com, I'll

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: do it again, S T I cannot close my eyes.

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Speaker 3: S T U C K and T H E R

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Speaker 3: you T and then mule der Masterclass dot com. Okay,

1381
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 3: great and so and you'll have the well you have

1382
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: that in the s side notes of the podcast.

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can.

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01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: I can link.

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01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can put the link in there absolutely.

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, So if you guys need that, go to

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 3: the link and and it'll just I'll direct you right too.

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01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out.

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01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: I I think I definitely need to to to to

1390
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: dive in on that master class and learn a thing

1391
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: or five about mule your hunting. I'm definitely not an

1392
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: old pro at it, that's for sure.

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then then the other thing, and I know

1394
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: we're at a time here, Yeah, but I want to

1395
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: give some of the positive feedback I've got from it, because,

1396
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 3: like I said, it's been around for three years now,

1397
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: for three years, and and this is the type of

1398
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 3: feedback so I've got from beginning beginner hunters who have

1399
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 3: killed their first meal deer. But that which gives me

1400
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence in the course that I created.

1401
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 3: But also the thing that means most of me is

1402
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: these experience hunters, experience hunters that have hunted for years

1403
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 3: that have said I never knew that about mule deer. Yeah,

1404
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that means a lot to me for

1405
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: an experienced meal their hunter. You know, I hear experienced

1406
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 3: Meal their hunter buying the course of like, oh, he's

1407
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: going to judge, he's going to judge my experience. But

1408
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 3: I've had really positive experience, or very positive feedback from it,

1409
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: really experienced Meal their hunters, and that means a lot

1410
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: to me. And so and a lot of it too,

1411
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: especially with snow conditions and howp meal their handles snow

1412
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: conditions way different than any animal you've ever hunted, I

1413
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: tell you what.

1414
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: And there was well I know that.

1415
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: Whenever I came up and we went wolf hunting and

1416
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: we talked like schoolgirls for two or three days there

1417
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: about all hunting in general, and we talked elk hunting

1418
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: and mule you're hunting man. There was like all these

1419
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: little things you were telling me, and I was like, oh, yeah,

1420
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: that's every thought of that, Like that's that's pretty that's

1421
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: pretty smart, that's pretty good, you know.

1422
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: So, and.

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01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: You know, we spent three days together and we talked

1424
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff, and I know your course has

1425
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: way more than that it's video based, right, it's not

1426
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: like you're not reading PDF.

1427
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: So it's like you're not going to just glaze over.

1428
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: You get to watch and listen.

1429
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as mad ton as my voice is, I mean,

1430
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna pick up a lot. But I got, you know,

1431
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 3: I have. You know, there's charts I show. I show

1432
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: East scouting, and that's the thing. And I even show

1433
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: you like in the woods, not just like some stuff.

1434
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm just like explaining something, but I'm showing in the wood.

1435
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 3: It's like certain things to not ignore. And and it's

1436
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: all about being a you know, observant too. But yeah,

1437
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's really I think what really taught me

1438
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 3: so much about meal there too, more than just a

1439
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: lot of the experienced hunters that, like I said, all

1440
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 3: these old timers that pass it down is I put

1441
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: it to work, and I put it to work in

1442
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: areas that have very little meal their numbers. Like these

1443
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 3: are places where honestly, if I had to travel, I

1444
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't Like if I had to travel several hundred miles

1445
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: to hunt these places, I wouldn't go to them. I

1446
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 3: only go to them because they're convenient, because they're closer

1447
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: to home. And people like other experienced hunters aren't pulling

1448
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 3: big mullies anymore. And I am, And I'm not saying

1449
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 3: that in a cocky way. I'm just saying that I

1450
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 3: think outside the box a little bit with mealies, and

1451
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 3: and I've learned It's taught me so much, especially hunting

1452
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: meal there in wolf country. It's taught me so much

1453
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: about how to find where there's very little meal deer.

1454
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 3: I kind of feel spoiled actually where I'm at now,

1455
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 3: just because I'm like, there's a lot of deer here,

1456
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 3: like this is kind of cool. Like I that I'm

1457
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 3: obviously going for a big one, but I'm just like,

1458
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm definitely going to take my time in this unit,

1459
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: and I'm holding out for a big one. And if

1460
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: I eat my tag hold out for a big one,

1461
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 3: so be it. But that's that's what I'm after here.

1462
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 3: And but yeah, you're gonna it's a great course. So

1463
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 3: I recommend checking it out for sure. Man.

1464
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: Well, I can't thank you enough for coming on the

1465
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: show again. Where can people find you on social media

1466
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: if they want to follow along on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube?

1467
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have. It's just stuck in the rut

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01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 3: spelled s t U c K with an N instead

1469
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 3: of I N. So stuck m the Rut dot com. Uh,

1470
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: we have a website there. We we have it, like

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Speaker 3: our Instagram is just at Stuck in the Rut YouTube channel.

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01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: Stuck in the Rut YouTube's our baby. I always say

1473
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: that YouTube is what gave us our name because we've

1474
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 3: been using YouTube for years. I think now we're last

1475
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: I checked, we're at we're over three hundred. All I

1476
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 3: know is we're over three hundred thousand subscribers on our

1477
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, and so we have a lot there. We

1478
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 3: start a little late on the Instagram, but we still

1479
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,919
Speaker 3: have a fair amount of followers there and on Facebook.

1480
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, if you want to stay updated

1481
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 3: for upcoming hunts and events that we do and when

1482
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: we post YouTube channels, definitely follow our instagram because we

1483
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: keep you updated. And obviously, like every as soon as

1484
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 3: I kill something and I'm in service, we posted on

1485
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 3: our Instagram, right, So so YouTube usually it's usually until

1486
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 3: after hunting season to where I have time to sit

1487
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: at a computer. I've tried the whole let's try editing

1488
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 3: these videos as we go. It does not work. Just

1489
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: so busy, this is the busiest time of the year

1490
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 3: for us, with between wrapping up work projects to hunting.

1491
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 3: It's like wintertime is really slow for me. That's when

1492
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: I put on pajamas and a hoodie and I just

1493
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 3: stare at a screen for nearly a month editing videos.

1494
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, crawling your little cave and just edit. I hear

1495
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: I've been there too.

1496
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like that. Well man, thanks a lot,

1497
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: and I wish you the best of luck down there.

1498
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see your pictures and I can't

1499
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: wait to watch your videos once.

1500
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I always enjoy talking to you, Derek.

1501
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 3: And like I said, the very small small amount of

1502
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 3: time we hunted wolf hunting, it was fun.

1503
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll have to go do it again sometime.

1504
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 3: By the way, that wolf pack is still there. Dang it,

1505
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 3: that's that one that was that wolf pack. While I

1506
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 3: was in Alaska, somebody's telling me that wolfpack was still there.

1507
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: And the first time he's like, there was a I

1508
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 3: won't get too much detail, guess because I know we

1509
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 3: got to go. But the father he was telling me about,

1510
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, the wolves, and then he's like he had

1511
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: his son go in there, and he's like what do

1512
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 3: I do? And I gave him just a couple of

1513
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: tips they're calling the wolves, and he brought him right

1514
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: in and he killed no kid.

1515
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.

1516
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 3: A part of me that's happy for him, A part

1517
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: of me I'm like, I wish I had time to

1518
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 3: go in there.

1519
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: That could have been you.

1520
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was the same spot you and I

1521
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: went to. But I'm happy for him. I'm glad there's

1522
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: one nut wolf in that drainage.

1523
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, so awesome.

1524
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, well we'll catch up after hunting season, Yeah, for sure,

1525
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: Dame