Speaker 1: I am all in that Kissed You, I am all
Speaker 1: in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Everybody. Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: what did you think? I'll just get right into it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I really thought it was a great episode.
Speaker 1: But it stressed me out because it was so drama rama.
Speaker 1: It was so much drama rama going on. It was
Speaker 1: heavy stuff, right, and I mean the Jess arc and
Speaker 1: you know, Emily not wanting Laurela around. It was stressful.
Speaker 1: It was just it was just it wasn't light and
Speaker 1: as fun as I you know, I like these episodes
Speaker 1: to be. But again, Amy tends to have a different
Speaker 1: writing style than her husband, and so when Amy is
Speaker 1: writing directing, she's controlling everything, and you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: get one of these really heavy episodes. And it was
Speaker 1: filled with great lines and humor and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but the but the you know, but the but the
Speaker 1: narratives and the themes, which it was just very I
Speaker 1: was exhausted after watching this episode. And she obviously wrote
Speaker 1: it because it was intended to be the launching pad
Speaker 1: for a Jess rob ST's Sherylyn Fenn spinoff, right, And
Speaker 1: that's when I thought was kind of peculiar about it,
Speaker 1: because what am I doing in Venice, California with rob
Speaker 1: estis Milo and Cheryl and Fenn. Not that that isn't
Speaker 1: a great triple right there. Okay, all all great, but
Speaker 1: it just it just felt foreign. It just felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we go back to stars Hollow
Speaker 1: and a door opening in Emily's house and it's like,
Speaker 1: what what's happening? You know? So so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a little for me, although I enjoyed the California stuff,
Speaker 1: but um, anyway, that's my initial impression. I loved the episode.
Speaker 1: I was fully engaged, actually, but it was a little
Speaker 1: it was a little stressful for me. Yeah. I've only
Speaker 1: seen this episode twice. I saw it when it ran
Speaker 1: the first time, you know, on television. I watched it
Speaker 1: once on the DVDs, and I've never watched it again
Speaker 1: because I remember not being into it, almost like this
Speaker 1: never became a thing. I don't need to rewatch this one,
Speaker 1: because this just didn't become a thing. This third time, though,
Speaker 1: I liked it the best of all the three times
Speaker 1: I've ever watched it. I tried to watch it like
Speaker 1: in a different way, and I liked it much more.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it when I watched it originally because
Speaker 1: it felt like a different show, Like, why am I
Speaker 1: watching this right now? And you know what, I'm being
Speaker 1: insufferably rude, and I apologize. I failed to introduce everybody.
Speaker 1: What the heck is wrong with me? Daniel Romo Welcome, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: Amy Sugarman, Hello, And we're joined also by the one
Speaker 1: and only Traveling Parasus who who shows up? When I
Speaker 1: mean it's just traveling you guys. I have like four
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. I think I'm going to be
Speaker 1: out of town coming up for Yeah, but was the
Speaker 1: time with Matt Zukri the best? I mean Matt and Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're still like glowing from the Mad Sure experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like the guy you know, I want to interview
Speaker 1: him every week. Forgot I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: I went back and watched like a couple episodes. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned it last week. But I went
Speaker 1: back and watched the revival just because I want to
Speaker 1: see him in it. Oh my god, I did the
Speaker 1: same thing. I didn't want to doable, but I snuck ahead.
Speaker 1: I cheated, and I went to I wanted to see
Speaker 1: Matt's first appearance. Oh my god, wait, Amy, I went
Speaker 1: to see that clip and really, funny enough, my friend's
Speaker 1: husband is in the background of that episode and he's
Speaker 1: currently on a c W show, so I need to
Speaker 1: like text her save that when we get there. Save.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's called being zuk read. That means you
Speaker 1: break the rules. You've been zok red, You've been you.
Speaker 1: It's not being Gilmoard anymore. It's being zook read. He
Speaker 1: forces you to break the rules and cheat and go
Speaker 1: ahead and watch the episodes when you're not. Must make
Speaker 1: that a thing. You've been zook read, which just means
Speaker 1: you have gotten hard eyes hard Uh. Anyway, I am
Speaker 1: all in podcast one eleven Productions. iHeart Radio and here
Speaker 1: we are kick off. What is this episode twenty one
Speaker 1: twenty one Here Comes the Sun? Go ahead? Daniel takes away. Alright, So,
Speaker 1: as Scott just said, Season three, episode twenty one, Here
Speaker 1: Comes the Sun air date May fifteen, two thousand three,
Speaker 1: and the synopsis is Rory is busy with finals, and
Speaker 1: she has an insanely busy schedule of things to get
Speaker 1: done before a graduation, and we find out through her
Speaker 1: yearbook signatures that she is the valedictorian of her class.
Speaker 1: Laura and Emily have another fight fight. When Laura Lae
Speaker 1: picks up Rory from her house, we get to meet
Speaker 1: Miss Selene, who is dressing Emily and Richard for Rory's graduation.
Speaker 1: Paris was accepted to three colleges, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia,
Speaker 1: and Laura La bonded with her at the very end
Speaker 1: of the year. Meanwhile, three thousand miles away, just visits
Speaker 1: his dad Jimmy, in Venice, California and asked to stay
Speaker 1: for a while because he has nothing left in Stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: So thank you, Danielle. You know, I just read off
Speaker 1: the top and then we'll take it from the beginning,
Speaker 1: but I just want to get this in um and
Speaker 1: just just a comment on what you were saying, Amy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt like another show when we went to California,
Speaker 1: with people trying to talk like they were in Gilmore Girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it didn't feel like Gilmore. It had gilmore Esque
Speaker 1: qualities like Masal does, like Bunheads did, but it did
Speaker 1: feel like you're like watching a different show. Also, note
Speaker 1: it's here comes the Sun, but for people listening that
Speaker 1: can't read it, it's s o n get it. Here
Speaker 1: comes the Sun. Yeah, just for those listening and not
Speaker 1: so anyway, Amy, take us takes from the top of
Speaker 1: this and we'll we'll do chronological and in my memory
Speaker 1: because I hadn't seen it in you know, fifteen years,
Speaker 1: maybe eighteen years whenever the DVDs for this season came out.
Speaker 1: In my memory, I wasn't sure that Lorra Lye and
Speaker 1: Rory were in it at all. I was like, is
Speaker 1: this just a full like Jess robsd Sherlyn Fenn it
Speaker 1: should have been in my opinion, I feel like going
Speaker 1: back stars hollow kind of threw me off. M But
Speaker 1: you know, Lorela I was light in this episode, and
Speaker 1: I really liked her in this episode because she wasn't
Speaker 1: so manic and she wasn't so stressed out all the
Speaker 1: time stuff for that one scene in in her parents
Speaker 1: house and Emily and Richard's house, which and she was
Speaker 1: justifiably kind of offended. Yeah, but I really liked her
Speaker 1: in this because she was a little calmer um and
Speaker 1: I just sort of celebrating her daughter and feeling great
Speaker 1: about that in every scene pretty much. So that was
Speaker 1: a nice, nice touch. Anyway, take us all right, So
Speaker 1: we stay in Weston's, which I thought was interesting. Why
Speaker 1: weren't we at the diner? But we were at Weston's.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because when they started at Weston's, I
Speaker 1: was like, are Luke and Lorela in the fight? Because
Speaker 1: why are they at Westons? Like? I had no idea
Speaker 1: why they weren't at Luke's. I could only come up
Speaker 1: with to honor fran because like and passed away, but
Speaker 1: Weston's is still open. I don't know. So they're talking
Speaker 1: about the trip to Europe, so that's important. Uh. Lorrel
Speaker 1: has curly hair and is wearing the piece shirt, which
Speaker 1: I liked. And then basically Lane comes in to talk
Speaker 1: about her brochure she's got for college, and that's sort
Speaker 1: of the gist of where we're at. There's two parks,
Speaker 1: one for guys, one for girls. Yeah, Roryes are like
Speaker 1: two parks, one for boys. My big question there was
Speaker 1: why Weston's. Um, Yeah, let's hopefully then it was. But
Speaker 1: it was a good scene. It was definitely good. It
Speaker 1: was a good opening scene. So then the credits roll
Speaker 1: and we realize, okay, special guest starre rob Esties, so
Speaker 1: we know, okay, he's back, and I think we even
Speaker 1: see Sherilyn Fenn's name in the credits, so we then
Speaker 1: still are at Lower Lies or so, so we're still
Speaker 1: with Lower Lys, so we're still in Stars Hollows. But
Speaker 1: we see Laura Lee in the leopard dress with the
Speaker 1: cute sweater. She's trying to be very quiet making the coffee,
Speaker 1: which I was like, why is she trying to be
Speaker 1: so quiet? And then Rory is studying and just she's
Speaker 1: got so much to do before graduation. So that's sort
Speaker 1: of the gist. So we learned. One other tidbit is
Speaker 1: that she's going to see Emily, her grandma, to talk
Speaker 1: about what Emily is going to wear the graduation. And
Speaker 1: then we see Luke in the doorway and I actually
Speaker 1: was startled by that. It was like, no, what's he
Speaker 1: doing there? So that's sort of the setup. And then
Speaker 1: she goes out and realizes because Luke tells her just
Speaker 1: as gone, Yeah, I like that scene. I like that
Speaker 1: scene a lot. I liked it. And he actually carried
Speaker 1: her over to the other side of the house, but
Speaker 1: he got visit, you know, he actually touched her, and
Speaker 1: it was also a new angle of the porch. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen that much right, right, right. But I like
Speaker 1: that scene. I like that it was great and it
Speaker 1: was and it showed his his um, you know, him
Speaker 1: feeling really like a big failure and he acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very poignant moment in this
Speaker 1: yes so not yes. So. Not only has he come
Speaker 1: to tell Laura Lie because he's worried about Rory, he
Speaker 1: then really kind of says, you know, I failed him,
Speaker 1: and I do know what you're talking about. I even
Speaker 1: wrote a note the arm touch, but it was more
Speaker 1: it was more like significant. He moved her and she
Speaker 1: didn't mind it. You know, it was like he moved
Speaker 1: her whole body over around there because he was so
Speaker 1: concerned that Rory didn't you know, he's protecting Rory. He
Speaker 1: didn't want her to hear this. So so so far,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the episode? Just put these
Speaker 1: two scenes before we go to Santa Monica, Venice. I
Speaker 1: think there's a big void there without Jess and I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm wondering what's happening, And you know, without
Speaker 1: Jess there, that really does take away a lot from
Speaker 1: from the proceedings. So I was very curious about what
Speaker 1: was gonna unfold. And pretty pretty quickly we get to
Speaker 1: him getting off the bus, right right, is that the
Speaker 1: next little portion there exactly, that's exactly right. So Danielle,
Speaker 1: did you immediately know he's in California? Um, like once
Speaker 1: he got off the bus. Absolutely, but like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Beach Boys music gave it away. No, it was literally like, hello,
Speaker 1: that's Venice beach right, just growing up here, like you
Speaker 1: know that's Venice. Within a second, coming soon, there's a
Speaker 1: very significant shot scene on scene shot on the Santa
Speaker 1: Monica Pierre. So he gets off, he's in Venice. Uh,
Speaker 1: Santa Monica area. The Beach Boys must have cost a
Speaker 1: pretty penny to get that good Yeah, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: it's very iconic with him and his Jess. Look the
Speaker 1: leather jacket jacket on the beach with the girls cart wheeling,
Speaker 1: and you're immediately like fish out of water. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: like take the jacket off. You've got to be sweating
Speaker 1: under their and a leather jacket standing on the beach
Speaker 1: in Venice. I mean, for that's sake, it's already nine
Speaker 1: myself right now, just so hot. Okay, he's that cool? Right,
Speaker 1: So then we quickly go back again. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that throughout this episode of like California Stars,
Speaker 1: Hollow California Stars, also back and forth. Can I make
Speaker 1: one note that I noticed right off the bat? And
Speaker 1: then it pays off even a little bit later, like
Speaker 1: right when Jess gets off the bus, there's just dogs
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I don't think we've seen dogs
Speaker 1: on set yet, at least not for a while. And
Speaker 1: I was like interesting. And then fast forward to the scene,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about a little bit, I was like,
Speaker 1: why are there so many dogs in California? I make
Speaker 1: sure they're all over the US. So we go back
Speaker 1: to the Gilmore's and we the significant thing is we
Speaker 1: learned she grabs the letter out of the mailbox, and
Speaker 1: we learned that Rory has been denied i'd financial aid
Speaker 1: because of the seventy dollars. So that's sort of that piece.
Speaker 1: And then we're immediately back in Venice and we see
Speaker 1: Jess going to four to two whatever mystery street and
Speaker 1: this house. How he knew where to go, I'm not
Speaker 1: totally sure. Do you think, um I was actually thinking
Speaker 1: about this? Do you think that he actually looked at
Speaker 1: his license? Because remember he left his wallet right I
Speaker 1: don't because the last episode, But why would he have
Speaker 1: not freaked out? He just gives the wallet. If he
Speaker 1: saw the name, if he looked at it enough to
Speaker 1: see the address and knew that was his dad, He's
Speaker 1: not going to say something immediately. That's why I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you know the address? These are? This is
Speaker 1: also it could be you know, does he know did
Speaker 1: he know his dad's name? Like, I don't know. Back then,
Speaker 1: there was like yellow books, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you can just like go through people, you know, find
Speaker 1: Jimmy Mariano. Alright, I live true the Yellow Pages. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the Yellow Pages because that was where
Speaker 1: businesses were. It would have been in the White Pages. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably could have been listed. So you know, I
Speaker 1: I found all of these scenes particularly heartbreaking. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was difficult for me to watch it personally. Uh uh no,
Speaker 1: I don't want you and you know all of that.
Speaker 1: So I thought Sherylyn Fenn was great. She really was.
Speaker 1: She was. She's just great. I mean she played the
Speaker 1: heck out of that part. Man. I agree, And did
Speaker 1: you not see a little of Oh it kind of
Speaker 1: does make sense why she was considered to be lower
Speaker 1: Lie oh, without questions, You're like, oh, I get it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's sort of okay, Yeah, you're apparently was first choice.
Speaker 1: She was first choice, I believe you. Now. I know
Speaker 1: people are going to murder me because I want to
Speaker 1: say a spoiler, but obviously Amy Sherman Palladino loves Sherylyn
Speaker 1: Fenn because this is not the only role Sherylyn Fenn
Speaker 1: plays on Gilmore Girls. Really really, Yes, she played my ex? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or was that Mason Amick? No, I'm pretty sure she is.
Speaker 1: You know, I may be mistaken. I think Mason Amock
Speaker 1: may have been the first choice for the role of Loyal.
Speaker 1: Oh why I always thought it was Sherlyn Fenn. We
Speaker 1: need to fact check that. Yeah, let's fact check it
Speaker 1: because because Marylyn comes back, so we won't ruin it.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure SHERYLN. Fenn comes back and plays another character, Daniel,
Speaker 1: just turn your mute for a second, the mother of
Speaker 1: all Right, I mean, I love for someone to check,
Speaker 1: but sure she plays Sasha in one. She does, and
Speaker 1: then she plays you know who? Correct? Yes, I just
Speaker 1: looked it, so and I'm pretty sure she was a
Speaker 1: front runner to You're good Daniels. Sorry, poor daniel is
Speaker 1: giving thank you. I feel like I'm in family feud
Speaker 1: where they say to answers like and I mean like
Speaker 1: a sound like welcome back to the So what did
Speaker 1: you think immediately, Danielle to of Sherylyn Fentn What were
Speaker 1: your initial Sasha? I think she's cool. I like her
Speaker 1: character a lot. Um. I thought the whole storyline is
Speaker 1: interesting because she has the daughter, and yet Jimmy didn't
Speaker 1: really say much about Jess, you know, like and she
Speaker 1: confronts him about it and she's like angry. Um, she
Speaker 1: obviously wants to be married because she kind of like
Speaker 1: did that little dig at him, you know. Um. I
Speaker 1: think she's cool. I think she's super like strong, independent,
Speaker 1: cool person. That was my thoughts. Yeah, Scott, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: great character. I wish they had her come back more
Speaker 1: and more and more as that character. Maybe she visited
Speaker 1: just they got Jimmy and Jess back to stars Hollow
Speaker 1: so that she could come back with her daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: because she's so great, you know, and they're also great,
Speaker 1: like get it out of Venice, and I know, I
Speaker 1: know they were setting up the pilot and the spinoff
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But why not bring her back? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did anybody else think Sherylyn Fenn is so good that
Speaker 1: almost rob Estes became secondary? I agree, Like he was
Speaker 1: so good in the previous episode and he's so important here,
Speaker 1: but she really stood out to me, and she was
Speaker 1: very Gilmore. Yeah, it's because she wore the pants and
Speaker 1: that's the great way to describe it, Like she definitely,
Speaker 1: she definitely wore the pants in that relationship, right right, right,
Speaker 1: is why I thought the characterization of of the Rob
Speaker 1: the Rob best Is character the Jimmy, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was I don't know if it could have
Speaker 1: been better. That's right, because it doesn't work as well
Speaker 1: in this But so why not write him as a
Speaker 1: guy who's super laid back and chill and and just like,
Speaker 1: you know, just a lover and a peace nick and
Speaker 1: the whole thing, not this you know, agitated sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rob Bestis is to me much better in the episode
Speaker 1: before this one. This one is really Sherilyn Fens episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And everything was Gilmurray, her her mannerisms, her way, the
Speaker 1: house is Gilmurray. The colors are bright, the clowns of
Speaker 1: the clown the literal clown dolls. I wanted to mention
Speaker 1: that there were so many, and I'm like, there is
Speaker 1: a shrine of clown dolls. I'm like, that puts the
Speaker 1: pillow to shame totally. The quirkiness of the daughter being
Speaker 1: in the cupboard or the other you know, she's always
Speaker 1: hidden reading her books, which I thought very rory. And
Speaker 1: then we the dogs and the cats and all the
Speaker 1: books in Jimmy's room, the books and the records, and
Speaker 1: You're just like, Okay, there's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 1: What do you think was wrong with Jimmy? Like that
Speaker 1: he just got his act together five years ago and
Speaker 1: he's still kind of nervous and agitated and and schmucky.
Speaker 1: And I mean, how do you talk that way to
Speaker 1: your son? No, I don't want you here. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a father. That's why I went I
Speaker 1: went away seventeen. I mean, this is just like you're
Speaker 1: sticking a knife in your in your kid's heart again
Speaker 1: and again and again. And I just thought, man, this
Speaker 1: is this is hard to hear, and it's hard to want.
Speaker 1: No prize from what we know of Liz up till
Speaker 1: now too, So um, I don't know. I was so
Speaker 1: thrown off by how the character of Jimmy was written,
Speaker 1: and I just kept rewriting him in my head every
Speaker 1: time he came on screen and said, he's got to
Speaker 1: be a different guy because he's got it's got to
Speaker 1: be the opposite of what this is. It can't be close,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying. Make him completely
Speaker 1: different so that those lines come out easier. You're not wrong,
Speaker 1: because we all can talk about the elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: This did not become a show, which we'll talk about
Speaker 1: at the end, but this does not become a show,
Speaker 1: and so obviously there were things that did not work.
Speaker 1: Either the network didn't think they worked or somebody didn't
Speaker 1: think they worked, because this did not become a spinoff.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we Danielle, you you go, you look like
Speaker 1: you're yeah. I had like a very interesting um like
Speaker 1: I found a very interesting parallel in this episode. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of similarities between Jimmy and
Speaker 1: Luke in the sense that they have their own um
Speaker 1: restaurant type thing that they're in charge of. However, they're
Speaker 1: showing that they're very similar in their work and what
Speaker 1: they do and their work ethic, because when we saw
Speaker 1: Jimmy at um Dante's Inferno, like he was like literally
Speaker 1: like very invested in his work, different than the kind
Speaker 1: of guy we usually see. But then outside of work
Speaker 1: you see the massive difference between Luke and Jimmy. But
Speaker 1: I feel like they almost did that on purpose, Like
Speaker 1: they're very similar people but very very different. And I
Speaker 1: thought that was like a really interesting kind of parallel
Speaker 1: between the two characters. Did to Scott, did you did
Speaker 1: you notice that? Um? Gosh, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of similarities there, um just from
Speaker 1: a work perspective, like they you know, I mean, but
Speaker 1: how but we haven't We just saw him in that
Speaker 1: one quick scene with a pickle jar. But don't you
Speaker 1: think it's a conscious choice spiced by people writers, amy whoever?
Speaker 1: That Jimmy also has a restaurant. I felt like that
Speaker 1: had to be a choice that was made intentionally, very intentionally. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I can't get inside their head. Man,
Speaker 1: they're blowing them man to sit here and drink my wine. See,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of character I wanted Jimmy to do
Speaker 1: to be. Do you like Jimmy from what you know
Speaker 1: from this, I do not. I wouldn't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to spend time with him. He's unhinged. He's he's he's
Speaker 1: shaking in his in his inside of his body. He's
Speaker 1: just quaking all the time. What about Sasha, It's like
Speaker 1: he's in withdrawal all the time. So maybe he is.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the character. I don't know, But uh, Sasha,
Speaker 1: who Sasha. That's Oh, she's brilliant. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a brilliant character. Brilliant. I wanted I just wanted Jimmy
Speaker 1: to be a hippie. I just wanted to be like
Speaker 1: a real, like a throwback hippie. Not I didn't want
Speaker 1: to hate him. I'm kind of I'm kind of tired
Speaker 1: of hating people on the show. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: I like, reserve that for Emily or sometimes Richard and
Speaker 1: sometimes Tricky. I mean, that's part of the family takes
Speaker 1: care of, you know. And but the thing is, I
Speaker 1: think it's probably ingenious because it makes Jess seems so
Speaker 1: much more like right that he's got this total schmuck
Speaker 1: of a father, I mean, what a schmuck. And and
Speaker 1: and now Jess is looking now we're rooting for him
Speaker 1: and now we're behind him a d. So it is
Speaker 1: probably you have to assume if this was to be
Speaker 1: launching pad for a show, it can't just be Jimmy
Speaker 1: like I love you, I'm sorry I left you seventeen
Speaker 1: years eighteen years ago. Come on in, let's all be
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch. There has to be like, as if
Speaker 1: this was going to be a show, obviously the conflict
Speaker 1: between Jimmy and Jess would have been major. Yeah, and Amy,
Speaker 1: you were saying, like what happened within the last five
Speaker 1: years to make Jimmy kind of shift a little bit?
Speaker 1: Maybe it is Sasha. Maybe Sasha came into his life
Speaker 1: and was like I think Scott posed that good question. Yeah, Scott, sorry,
Speaker 1: but but like one thing I found interesting is that
Speaker 1: I or I think we would have gotten the Jimmy
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, Luke Luke, Scott that was bound
Speaker 1: to happen once. I mean, there's three seasons, twenty one episodes, Scott,
Speaker 1: I feel like that was great. Um, I feel like
Speaker 1: what you were saying that you wanted him to be
Speaker 1: this like laid back. Oh sorry, dude, Like I can't
Speaker 1: do this. I think he would have had that if
Speaker 1: Sasha wasn't like, you need to talk to Jess and
Speaker 1: you need to do this now, Like I'm pissed, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if he didn't have that external motivator,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have done that, and he would have been like, sorry, dude,
Speaker 1: like we don't have room. Can I throw something out
Speaker 1: to you, Scott and see what you think? Amy Sherman Palladino.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's undeniable. She writes strong women, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Laura lie that even on bun Heads, those are strong women,
Speaker 1: masal strong women. She always writes strong women. I wonder
Speaker 1: if the problem for this spinoff was that Sherilyn Fenn
Speaker 1: she's writing perfectly, and she also can write Jess. We
Speaker 1: know that, but maybe it's Jimmy that just didn't seem
Speaker 1: to be enough for a whole show, because maybe she
Speaker 1: just wasn't like because really, like we all said, she's
Speaker 1: the episode of Cherylyn Fenn, So maybe the network was like,
Speaker 1: there's no Jimmy Jess. So we're at Senior Palooza and
Speaker 1: there's cute always carrying boxes and Rory's on the phone
Speaker 1: with Grandma, and I think this is where lore La
Speaker 1: is trying to sell the tickets to the yacht party.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that and then we'll go back
Speaker 1: and we'll learn more about what we can figure out
Speaker 1: on the my load slash Jess Pilot. So what did
Speaker 1: you think back at the school, you know, the Paris
Speaker 1: scene with lower La, essentially the hug, remember that. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny, you know it was it was
Speaker 1: straight up comedy, and uh, you know, Paris needed it,
Speaker 1: and Paris was being Paris and lorel I was just
Speaker 1: so happy. She didn't care about getting rejected. She's like,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, she was in such a good
Speaker 1: mood because her daughter was accepted in val Victorian hold
Speaker 1: and and I just wanted to give her a little
Speaker 1: mom love because she needs it. And it was a
Speaker 1: good scene. She doesn't have that, like the hug. I
Speaker 1: don't think she ever gets a hug like that, right,
Speaker 1: And my favorite is when I was like, you can
Speaker 1: release your fists. It was good advice Loria gave her
Speaker 1: about college, saying you pick where you want to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was She's a great she's a great mom. I mean,
Speaker 1: she really displayed her she was enjoying the fruits of
Speaker 1: her labor. In this episode, and she she proved to
Speaker 1: be just a spectacular mother. So it was yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we just see that there's still a little is
Speaker 1: when you watch people celebrate her building towards a little
Speaker 1: drama with Emily, because we can see Rory on the
Speaker 1: phone with her trying to figure out this outfit and
Speaker 1: kind of saying, I gotta go over there. So we're
Speaker 1: setting up that and that there's prominent use of cell
Speaker 1: phones now. Oh yeah, and also Rory has makeup on
Speaker 1: in this episode. I like specifically put that down. She
Speaker 1: looks way more um mature, like she was wearing lipstick,
Speaker 1: she had some blush on. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Rory with makeup on like this. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I wrote it down. I noticed that. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back to l A, to the Santa
Speaker 1: Monica Pire. And interestingly, I just realized we haven't even
Speaker 1: seen Jimmy yet. We're this far into the episode and
Speaker 1: we've only seen Cherylyn Fenn. So the more I think
Speaker 1: about it, the more I feel like this would have
Speaker 1: been the Sherylyn Fenn Show. But anyway, so we go back.
Speaker 1: Clearly we're on the Santa Monica Pire looked amazing. She's
Speaker 1: there doing the walk and talk and she knows everybody
Speaker 1: in town. We kind of learned that right away. It
Speaker 1: felt very Gilmoury. And then we get to Dante's Inferno
Speaker 1: and the pickle situation. Yeah, they were in a real pickle.
Speaker 1: Didn't really understand what they were talking about. But you know,
Speaker 1: I guess the label was a little off and the
Speaker 1: letters where the font was a little off. It just
Speaker 1: stood out to me. Here this is where I really
Speaker 1: noticed what Danielle said. He's got this diner I called it,
Speaker 1: and I thought, God, that's got to be on purpose. Yeah. God,
Speaker 1: it just didn't fit in with gil Moore Girls at all,
Speaker 1: did it? It was? Oh? I mean that was my
Speaker 1: problem with it the first two times I'd seen it.
Speaker 1: It was better for me this time. On the third watch.
Speaker 1: It was less jarring. But I remember being like, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching Gilmore Girls, but I think it's some of
Speaker 1: Milo's best work. I really really pulled me in. He
Speaker 1: really really really pulled me in with this because he
Speaker 1: was so hurt and he was so lost, and he
Speaker 1: was so confused, and I just loved him in this episode.
Speaker 1: I I just fell in love with him again in
Speaker 1: this episode. So I'm like, you know, I'm I'm all
Speaker 1: there for for just now hoping that he God, I
Speaker 1: mean just I mean getting thrown out by his father.
Speaker 1: He didn't even show him, he just shows up and
Speaker 1: his father's rejecting him again. I mean, the poor kid.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's he's in a tough spot. You know,
Speaker 1: my natural protective instincts, you know, just me, Scott was
Speaker 1: really just man. Why I was just fired up? Are you,
Speaker 1: Scott regretting Luke? Not that you can regret it, but
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the fact that Luke had
Speaker 1: to tell him if you got to go? Then if
Speaker 1: you're not. He did fail him. He did fail him,
Speaker 1: and I and I do feel bad. And I know
Speaker 1: that Luke feels bad and he should feel bad. He
Speaker 1: did fail him because he he's with a young kid.
Speaker 1: It's you know, you've got to pick your moments to
Speaker 1: be that rigid and that stern. You know that, Like
Speaker 1: I said in the last podcast, why isn't there a
Speaker 1: world where where you can sit somebody down and really
Speaker 1: talk to them and really support them and really love
Speaker 1: them instead of all of this this has got to
Speaker 1: be my way garbage, and you know, and all this
Speaker 1: and and and and my god, I just I don't
Speaker 1: know how anybody, especially a kid that vulnerable, that's smart,
Speaker 1: that's sensitive and that troubled, how is he's not going
Speaker 1: to respond well to that? You know you, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake,
Speaker 1: the only and I and I agreed with Sasha, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, you gotta love these people. Man, you gotta
Speaker 1: love him, and you gotta hug him, and you gotta
Speaker 1: be patient with him, and they're gonna screw up, and
Speaker 1: you've got to just factor that into the equation and
Speaker 1: alter your behavior. But Luke again, like Luke is not
Speaker 1: the guy to raise or to be there for this kid, don't.
Speaker 1: I won't go as far to say Luke failed him,
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure Luke made the right call. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Daniel, what we're gonna say. I know you're gonna, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think I don't think he
Speaker 1: failed him. And I actually do think Luke is what
Speaker 1: Jess needed. Like I do think that he needs somebody
Speaker 1: that's not going to enable him. And also he needs
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna put him in this place a little bit.
Speaker 1: And that's what Luke was doing. And so I do
Speaker 1: think he needed that guidance and he needed that discipline.
Speaker 1: I just feel like at that point, Jess wasn't willing
Speaker 1: to see that, And that's not necessarily a dig on Luke,
Speaker 1: just I think not um uh. Emotionally and from like
Speaker 1: a maturity standpoint, Jess wasn't able to He didn't want
Speaker 1: it enough on his own. But why couldn't Luke show
Speaker 1: him his heart? Why couldn't Luke show Jess he did
Speaker 1: by letting him stay with him. I understand that and
Speaker 1: trying to like he's more doing it like it's his duty,
Speaker 1: it's his job as the uncle, as opposed to I
Speaker 1: think what's Scott's saying, like from his heart? You know
Speaker 1: what we're getting. We're getting at um A lot of
Speaker 1: men's inability to open up their hearts and let their
Speaker 1: heart pour out. They they think that that is weakness
Speaker 1: as opposed to what it really is real strength and trust. Right,
Speaker 1: So why can't why can't he sit down? Why can't
Speaker 1: Luke be emotional with Jess? Is he afraid Jess will
Speaker 1: perceive that his weakness. No, I think it. Luke has
Speaker 1: a real hard time with that. No, I know why
Speaker 1: Luke can't do it, but it's like, this gets to
Speaker 1: the issue of why men can't communicate as well as
Speaker 1: women can, and why there's maybe I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go off on a tangent here, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to see a softer Luke. I wanted to see
Speaker 1: a Luke that it was more supportive and gentle with
Speaker 1: that boy and and loving and open up his heart,
Speaker 1: Because wouldn't that have been powerful instead of all this
Speaker 1: like hey, I'm the boss and and um and what
Speaker 1: I say goes and you went against it and you're gone.
Speaker 1: You broke my rules and you're gone. Yeah. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's that's a predictable character. That's a predictable character trait.
Speaker 1: We all knew that was coming. We all saw it
Speaker 1: coming a mile away, and you know Jess was gonna
Speaker 1: screw up and Luke was going to toss him out.
Speaker 1: But wouldn't the most moving scene would have been Luke
Speaker 1: opening up his heart to that kid and showing him
Speaker 1: how it affected him. Like imagine Luke in tears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, you like shattered? Yeah, Like I'm a kid.
Speaker 1: I'm dying for you here, man, and I think would right,
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be more effective going forward. I
Speaker 1: support that, you know, And don't you feel for Jess.
Speaker 1: He's been rejected by his mom, taken in by his uncle,
Speaker 1: but send my sort of I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: use the order rejected, but like firm hand and then
Speaker 1: it blew up. And now he's being rejected by his
Speaker 1: dad a second time. His dad left him and now
Speaker 1: essentially his dad and this element sort of would have
Speaker 1: been an interesting show trying to sort of navigate all that,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I think it's an amazing
Speaker 1: isn't amazing how Jess has just sort of taken over
Speaker 1: the narrative. That's that's where our hearts are now, right,
Speaker 1: Not so much with Rory. Rory is going to be successful.
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, she's put the hard work. We're not
Speaker 1: so much with anybody else. We're engaged with this Jess dilemma.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to Jess? Jess, Jess? And And
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it just shows you
Speaker 1: why Milo is such a star. Yeah, you know, he
Speaker 1: he commands that kind of attention right because of his
Speaker 1: skill set. So yeah, you're right. He was so good
Speaker 1: in this episode. And I think it's significant that he
Speaker 1: said I didn't come here to bust your balls. He's
Speaker 1: throwing it out there right away that he's like, that's
Speaker 1: not what this is about. To relive the seventeen years
Speaker 1: you were gone, and he's basically we haven't gotten there yet,
Speaker 1: but he says like I have nowhere else to go.
Speaker 1: M m. Yeah. That was the hard part because Jimmy
Speaker 1: was talking about how much of his screw up he
Speaker 1: is and like you don't want to be near me,
Speaker 1: and Jess was like, no, I'm the one that doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything, and that's when that's when it like he's
Speaker 1: been like playing cool guy. I know what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: like you know, the whole time. And apple doesn't fall
Speaker 1: far from the tree. Was really yeah, interesting, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad Luke was hard on Jimmy. That's the guy that
Speaker 1: deserves it, that's right, that's the guy that's like, get
Speaker 1: your act together. You're in your forties for God's sake,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I agree with you, But
Speaker 1: Jess was the one that needed soft heart. He needed
Speaker 1: a heart. Yeah, because that's what he hasn't had. And
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a great quote going around now, um
Speaker 1: well it's been going around for a long time, but
Speaker 1: there was a quote says, you want to save the world,
Speaker 1: go home and love your family and mother. It's a
Speaker 1: attributed to mother choices. So I just I just wanted
Speaker 1: to put that out there for the podcast audience because
Speaker 1: I know you'll appreciate it, and I think Luke could
Speaker 1: benefit from that. That would have been an interesting way
Speaker 1: to tell the story that if Luke, even if he'd
Speaker 1: been that way up till now that gruff sort of rules,
Speaker 1: if he would have just totally changed and realized, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're in a mess. Here, let's take a breath, let's hug,
Speaker 1: let's solve this. So here's maybe a theory, Okay, just
Speaker 1: popped into my little head. Uh maybe this pilot idea
Speaker 1: spinoff was doomed from the get go because here we are, uh,
Speaker 1: loving a show that is deeply entrenched in family values.
Speaker 1: It's all about family values or the lack they're not
Speaker 1: really the lack of Arah, but families trying to come
Speaker 1: together and work it out. And here we have this
Speaker 1: this seminal scene in this episode and a show when
Speaker 1: the audience is all about family values and they love
Speaker 1: watching the show and repeat every single day of their
Speaker 1: lives because they agree that family values matter the most.
Speaker 1: And here we have a father who's going to be
Speaker 1: a lead and a pilot who's telling his son, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be near me. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be near you. I mean, it's just like the worst
Speaker 1: thing you could say in a scene to a young
Speaker 1: It's very different than the conflict that lore Line and
Speaker 1: Emily have. Absolutely yeah, I mean, it was just it
Speaker 1: was just depraved almost well. And I also don't understand
Speaker 1: obviously Sasha is a great mom to that little girl
Speaker 1: in the cupboard, and you get the vibe that Jimmy
Speaker 1: is a good yeah bake stepfather because they're not married.
Speaker 1: So but but but I'm sorry interrupt, but I want
Speaker 1: I wanted to finish my point. It's like, how are
Speaker 1: you trying to hook the Gilmore audience with a character
Speaker 1: like that that that doesn't want to be around his
Speaker 1: own son when your whole audience is about family families
Speaker 1: you want them to migrate over this pilot. But I
Speaker 1: think it's because of Jess, like you've seen him through
Speaker 1: all of this, and and you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people are a team Jess. For I think this reason.
Speaker 1: It's that you feel for him. You want him to succeed,
Speaker 1: and he just he keeps failing, and you want to
Speaker 1: just keep rooting for him. And I think it's more following,
Speaker 1: Jess than I understand what you're saying, But I think
Speaker 1: it's more following just than like the family dynamic. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see. But I think Scott's point is, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for Scott, you say, he's saying
Speaker 1: that wasn't enough for these Gilmore or even like whoever
Speaker 1: makes these decisions, that's not enough, that this was too
Speaker 1: much of a pivot essentially from what we know and love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we don't know Sherilyn Fenn's character enough yet to
Speaker 1: give her a shot, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: like her, but we don't know anything yet. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: did you ever see anything like that in Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: exception with you know, Emily and Richard, Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: right right, but they never it's different. It's different. Yeah, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: speaking of So we go back now to the Gilmore's
Speaker 1: and we're this is where we meet miss Selene and
Speaker 1: obviously that Alex Borstein. So they brought her back, you know,
Speaker 1: the harp player, So they brought her back for this role.
Speaker 1: She must have got a break from a family guy,
Speaker 1: which I thought she was a bit over the top,
Speaker 1: but I still laughed at the scenes. So Richard and Emily,
Speaker 1: everyone's trying on close and Emily looked so pretty in
Speaker 1: this scene. I was like, she didn't. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she is. That's no grandma. So we're
Speaker 1: sort of going back and forth. So we're sort of
Speaker 1: getting to that, and then we're going back to Chilton
Speaker 1: and the girls are handing out the yearbooks and tearing
Speaker 1: out the page that they don't like their photo in,
Speaker 1: you know. So we've kind of got that going on.
Speaker 1: And then this is where the natually was. This is
Speaker 1: where the hug is poor Brad, and that's his only
Speaker 1: photo in the years book. Then they just cut off
Speaker 1: his little he wasn't at school for like half the years,
Speaker 1: so we got one photo. Guy. So lord, okay, So
Speaker 1: we're jumping around. So then we go back to Jimmy
Speaker 1: and Sasha's and this is where Jimmy's brought Jess home.
Speaker 1: And he sort of has to go into the kitchen
Speaker 1: to talk to Sasha, and this is where we find out, like,
Speaker 1: so Sasha is like sitting on the counter drinking a beer.
Speaker 1: And this is really where Sasha says, like, I guess
Speaker 1: we're just roomies because Jimmy didn't tell her that he
Speaker 1: had gone to Stars Hollow to talk to jess a. Right,
Speaker 1: the same deceptive behavior that we see now has landed
Speaker 1: him in this position in his life at this late stage.
Speaker 1: Right and also plot hole, Jimmy obviously talked to Liz,
Speaker 1: because how would Jimmy know if he has not been
Speaker 1: communicating with them that Jess is in stars Hollow with you, Luke.
Speaker 1: He obviously hadn't find that out from Liz. Maybe how
Speaker 1: many did? He's not just gonna show up where the
Speaker 1: uncle lives, right, But I can deal with it, m hm.
Speaker 1: So I don't know Sherylyn Fenn there, I get it.
Speaker 1: But it was a little harsh and it was a
Speaker 1: little awkward with just there all this, It was a
Speaker 1: lot of awkward for me. I would have liked to
Speaker 1: have seen that pilot spin off with Cherylyn Fenn and
Speaker 1: Milo and just get he just fired Robert no, if
Speaker 1: he's going to be that extremely out of it and
Speaker 1: so um incapable, I mean, I don't know that we
Speaker 1: want to watch a man that age who was so
Speaker 1: um challenge challenged by uh day to day life, you know,
Speaker 1: um five years prior he finally got his act together,
Speaker 1: So that means drugs and alcohol and and you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of wacky behavior and partying and all. Maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't likable enough, but put him in the in
Speaker 1: the background as a recurring or something, you know, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna go visit your dad and he's in jail,
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, he's you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he's doing five to ten on a on a And
Speaker 1: like I said, and I don't mean to be a
Speaker 1: broken record, it didn't go to series, so something was
Speaker 1: not working, you know. So okay, so then we go
Speaker 1: back and we'll just real quick amy and like I
Speaker 1: was looking up like why, and a lot of it
Speaker 1: is also because the location would have been too expensive.
Speaker 1: That's an excuse. That's just an excuse. But I do
Speaker 1: remember reading that, well, yeah, I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: be crazy not to give Milo his own show. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was so popular in Gilmore and that's that's a
Speaker 1: big audience. You know, give him his own give him
Speaker 1: the right vehicle, the timeline for Heroes because he starts
Speaker 1: Heroes in two thousand six, I believe, and Gilmore goes
Speaker 1: through two thousand seven, so he essentially does get his
Speaker 1: own show. Just took a minute. Well, you know, the
Speaker 1: move to give him his own show was to get
Speaker 1: him into new Haven, and he was He's hanging with
Speaker 1: Rory Yale and then we're we're all eliminated. It's just
Speaker 1: those two. That's interesting. Then we're all recurring, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean, I guess that's series. I
Speaker 1: guess this is a good time to talk about it.
Speaker 1: So are we all aligned? We still got a little
Speaker 1: more to cover. But are we all aligned in that
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have made a good enough show? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Personally, I don't know. I think if it's
Speaker 1: Milo and Rylyn Fenn, yes and Rob Est this is
Speaker 1: a little removed and then he's rehabilitated as a character
Speaker 1: and he comes back as a more likable person or
Speaker 1: what would you have liked it if they wrote him
Speaker 1: more likable in this? So I gave you that. It's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, how you doing. You're cool? Everything cool? Well,
Speaker 1: would you have liked it if Robstes came stoner? Just
Speaker 1: like some st owner guy? So maybe we keep last
Speaker 1: week's as last week's right because he was we didn't
Speaker 1: learn enough, like you know, Luke came at him. That's fine.
Speaker 1: He goes to see Jess and runs off. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: so we keep that as is. Would you have liked
Speaker 1: it better in this if? Immediately as soon as Jess
Speaker 1: comes to see Jimmy, Jimmy is like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I blew it like more no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no more melodrama please, I think listen. If it's a if,
Speaker 1: Jimmy is a character, not unlike the dude in uh
Speaker 1: that Jeff bridges on this, but I'll give it hang
Speaker 1: on and Jess has to and and he's just so
Speaker 1: laid back and cool and funny and doesn't give it
Speaker 1: a crap about anything, and and Jess pretty much has
Speaker 1: to raise him. So it forces Jess to grow up. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm taking care of my dad. My dad can't really
Speaker 1: hack it, but he's he's not stressed about it. He's
Speaker 1: just so let it all go. And then they can
Speaker 1: I don't know, if I've ever seen that before. Maybe
Speaker 1: I have. Maybe it's it's it's already been filmed somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But but make that a laid back guy who really
Speaker 1: needs Jess more than Jess needs him, and then in
Speaker 1: that they find each other eventually. So, Tara Danielle, do
Speaker 1: you think you would have Is there anything that could
Speaker 1: have happened with Jimmy for you to like the idea
Speaker 1: of this show more? I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: I would have been interested in this show in the
Speaker 1: spin off. I didn't need it, but I would have
Speaker 1: been interested to watch it. I think. Um. I do
Speaker 1: like that thought of Jess having to help raise his
Speaker 1: dad and then growing up together. I do like that.
Speaker 1: I think that it could be really really cool. I
Speaker 1: like it too. All Right, so let's go with that,
Speaker 1: let's write it. We'll get it getting the way back machine,
Speaker 1: will do it all over way Okay, So now we'll
Speaker 1: go back to the drama. So we've got Laura Lae
Speaker 1: sort of running out of the Gilmore. She's just done
Speaker 1: chases after her. Go ahead. I feel like this episode
Speaker 1: has like you almost need to like do the Jess
Speaker 1: the Jess storyline and then recap like the Gilmore storyline,
Speaker 1: because we also haven't talked about the very very beginning
Speaker 1: when Luke tells Laura Lae that Jess is gone, as
Speaker 1: we did. That's what. Yes, we threw my headphones off.
Speaker 1: I haven't as not having talked because I delete as
Speaker 1: I go. Well, we definitely talked about it, because we
Speaker 1: talked for everybody listening, Sorry to be boring. We talked
Speaker 1: about how we saw a new side of the porch
Speaker 1: because Luke moved her over. We more talked about the movie,
Speaker 1: not like actually actually him saying and Laura holding the
Speaker 1: secret from right. No, we have not talked about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, So obviously in that scene, Luke
Speaker 1: is like trying to get the attention, you know, from
Speaker 1: outside the kitchen window and lord La goes outside and
Speaker 1: Luke tells her Jess is gone. And that's when we
Speaker 1: did talk about this a little bit, how Luke says
Speaker 1: he failed him, which already discussed. But I did find
Speaker 1: it interesting that Loria made a conscious decision to not
Speaker 1: tell Rory right then and there. I thought that was gnarly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did do I get it. I get why she
Speaker 1: didn't because Rory so wrapped up in her studies and
Speaker 1: this might derail her. But also at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I also don't see Rory being like, where's Jezz.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from Jezz and my boyfriend that they
Speaker 1: don't talk to you from dates exactly. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like with the ending of how it left off with
Speaker 1: like he left, he couldn't go to the problem, like
Speaker 1: it would be a couple of days. They probably didn't
Speaker 1: want to chat. That's why in a fight basically, like,
Speaker 1: just give us that good scene, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Scott, what do you think, should lord I
Speaker 1: have hold Rory right away? No? No, I like that
Speaker 1: scene in the foyer when Laura Lee Rory comes out
Speaker 1: and says something buster and you know, it was kind
Speaker 1: of it was really funny. Definitely not that she says
Speaker 1: to herself. Definitely not the time to right right right
Speaker 1: right right? Okay, Yeah, that was good. That was good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So fast forward. Where we do learn is that Rory
Speaker 1: leaves with Lorea Lee to go home from the sort
Speaker 1: of incident back at the Gilmore's and I think apparently
Speaker 1: they went to suit plantation. They get to the light
Speaker 1: and we see, wait a minute, water, let's go back
Speaker 1: and dissect that scene, because that was a big scene, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Emily lying to Laura Lee about the dinner
Speaker 1: time and but but wasn't she somewhat just I mean,
Speaker 1: Emily is very hurt that Friday night dinners are over, right,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to move on and they don't want
Speaker 1: to include orally anymore. If Laura La is so um
Speaker 1: cold about cutting them off after they've been doing Friday
Speaker 1: night dinners for how long? Two years? She and chilled, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just like, oh, we're not obligating anymore. I
Speaker 1: didn't gain any more of a family feeling from uh
Speaker 1: you Emily and you Richard, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: waste my time with you even once a week now
Speaker 1: that we're all successful and we've come I mean, she
Speaker 1: probably feels incredibly used. I mean, think about how used
Speaker 1: Emily feels for her money and she's doling out these
Speaker 1: wonderful dinners and trying to bond with her granddaughter and
Speaker 1: even trying to bond with with Laurela. I see both
Speaker 1: sides say, yeah, I also am not like thrilled, like
Speaker 1: I get like wanting to spend time with your granddaughter,
Speaker 1: but like I'm also not thrilled that she like yearns
Speaker 1: for the control to do the to have to do
Speaker 1: the Friday night dinners, and like now that that's she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to, kind she doesn't feel she doesn't believe
Speaker 1: that they will come if she doesn't have the control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also like she's not going to go to star
Speaker 1: as hollow because larea Line never really wants her around,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's always going to have
Speaker 1: to be on Emily's turf. It's a hardness, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: but provided a great scene. Yeah, And I agree with
Speaker 1: you completely Scott that I I see both both sides.
Speaker 1: I see all three sides. I see all four sides.
Speaker 1: I see Richard's perspective, Emily's perspective, Rory's perspective. Because I
Speaker 1: also agree Rory is doing the right thing for herself
Speaker 1: and her family essentially by continuing to spend time with them.
Speaker 1: I don't fold her for that for one second. Desperately
Speaker 1: wanting Rory to come over and help with the swatch
Speaker 1: and help pick out there, yea, she just wants to
Speaker 1: see her granddaughter. She's granddaughter. Yeah, And I get why
Speaker 1: Lorealize Piste, and I get why Richard's like everyone's stafer
Speaker 1: dinner plans to night. I think I would have enjoyed
Speaker 1: the dinner, and I actually think Lorel I would have too.
Speaker 1: I don't really get why Emily was so b I
Speaker 1: t h to not invite her daughter to dinner like that, because,
Speaker 1: as I said, she cut them off of Friday night
Speaker 1: dinner obligation. Lauralized the one that brought it up. We
Speaker 1: don't have to go now, right, but after Look, I
Speaker 1: don't care, but I don't care how bad a relationship
Speaker 1: you have with your family. If you're going every Friday
Speaker 1: night for two years and you're sharing all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: you're bound maybe come together a little, you know, and
Speaker 1: like if wounds can't heal after you know, a hundred
Speaker 1: and four Friday night dinners plus plus plus right, all
Speaker 1: the other appearances they made and all the effort they
Speaker 1: made to show up and support Rory and somewhat support laurealized, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the evolution of this show. Where's the
Speaker 1: evolution of the characters, Where's the evolution of that narrow
Speaker 1: Now we're back in you know, Crapville with the hard
Speaker 1: feelings and resentment and let's ignore each other, let's abuse
Speaker 1: each other and like, what have we invested so much
Speaker 1: time into witness. On the same note, though, Emily could
Speaker 1: have just said, oh, okay, yeah, let's all have dinner.
Speaker 1: When when the you know, a woman comes out, housekeeper, chef,
Speaker 1: whatever she is called, Lupe says dinner's ready. Emily should
Speaker 1: have said, Laura Lee, do you want to stay for dinner?
Speaker 1: She did? I know, but that's my beef with Emily
Speaker 1: and that Emily, you get a lot. What's the saying
Speaker 1: you get more bees with it's honey than you do.
Speaker 1: So Emily could have said to Lora like, we'd love
Speaker 1: for you to stay. Let's all stay and then they
Speaker 1: have Let's say it goes great and they have a
Speaker 1: great dinner. Then you're on the road to recovery. Essentially,
Speaker 1: Let's say the dinner went great. So then she says,
Speaker 1: you know what, mom, like, let's have dinner every other
Speaker 1: week on a Friday or Saturday. We'll play it by ear.
Speaker 1: I thought actly being so mean really caused a worse problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like what really put like really sealed
Speaker 1: the deal was when Rory told Emily, I think you're
Speaker 1: being stupid and I think Emily is going to have
Speaker 1: a real hard time with the fact that her granddaughter
Speaker 1: told her that. That's such an important note that line,
Speaker 1: because like, like I also know Rory one doesn't talk
Speaker 1: like that and definitely doesn't talk like that to Richard
Speaker 1: and Emily. Right, Yeah, that was a knife right in
Speaker 1: the heart there. Well, and then we get another knife.
Speaker 1: So this was the scene sort of started talk about.
Speaker 1: So then they get to the stop light and Luke
Speaker 1: is sweeping and Luke, what was going What was Luke doing?
Speaker 1: But his head was talking aggressive sweeping was it was
Speaker 1: like his head was bounced and up and when he
Speaker 1: looked up, I mean, what the heck was going on
Speaker 1: with him? And looked like he saw it goes But
Speaker 1: I mean it was just very aggressive. What is he like? Crazy?
Speaker 1: Luke like talking to himself and like I rewound that
Speaker 1: about four times, just laughed. It was some serious sweeping.
Speaker 1: And then Roy says, why did he do that? And
Speaker 1: then this is the moment says, Jess is gone. They
Speaker 1: don't know where and uh she says he doesn't think
Speaker 1: he's coming back, and she says, neither do I. This
Speaker 1: is another example. This is another example of how you
Speaker 1: know naturally great Alexis is because she just you could
Speaker 1: just see her and feel her absorb these these this
Speaker 1: horrible news right and how she processed it. Just you
Speaker 1: could see everything happening in her eyes and her and
Speaker 1: her body. I mean, it's just wonderful acting. I was
Speaker 1: really it was just like she's so vulnerable, such a
Speaker 1: great way to approach the craft. You know, she's so open.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to watch. Yeah, big scene scene and then
Speaker 1: Laura like gets the red the ticket. I will say
Speaker 1: the one thing just real quick. This episode had so
Speaker 1: many big moments back at Stars Hollow and Emily and
Speaker 1: Richards that I think that the crossover unfortunately just took
Speaker 1: away from it because I completely forgot about that scene
Speaker 1: in the car until I rewatched. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's how she found out. I forgot about the
Speaker 1: valedictorian thing in this episode. I think it's like, you're right,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of back and forth that we
Speaker 1: I don't think we needed for such an important scene
Speaker 1: back at Stars Hollow. It was hard to keep up like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in Venice, California right now. Okay, we're in Stars
Speaker 1: Hollow where Emily's house like it was a lot of
Speaker 1: like ping pong, which normally I really liked, but it
Speaker 1: was just felt like two different storylines, two different right.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's like, I guess Milo was a
Speaker 1: series regular on the show at that point, right, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just felt yeah, just yeah, it
Speaker 1: was right. You're right, Tara. It was just so you
Speaker 1: forget about these little moments, right exactly. And that's what
Speaker 1: the show is that it's at its best, That's what
Speaker 1: the show is. It's peppered with these little, little humorous
Speaker 1: moments and then these big emotional beats and all that.
Speaker 1: I Daniel kind of suggested this, do you think you
Speaker 1: would have liked this episode better, Scott if there was
Speaker 1: a thirty minutes of all Gilmore girl you know, the
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls stuff like Emily, you everybody over here, and
Speaker 1: we watched that for thirty minutes and then the second
Speaker 1: half of the episode was everything in l a instead
Speaker 1: of this boom boom boom boom boom. Should it have
Speaker 1: done that? And then and then because the ace, the
Speaker 1: audience would have clicked off, I don't. I think I
Speaker 1: think curiosity even, I think they would have been confused. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't think they know Jess well enough now that
Speaker 1: they would have followed him for thirty minutes. I think
Speaker 1: it would been confusing. Respectfully, disagree everybody, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we were watching those scenes for a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes and we wanted to go back to Stars, right. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily want to go back. I just wasn't
Speaker 1: sold on what I was seeing there. Yeah. I actually
Speaker 1: liked the whole all the scenes in in California, I
Speaker 1: liked them. Yeah, I agree, I just felt disjointed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like bigger picture, I could have taken that part of
Speaker 1: it out in place that somewhere else. You know what
Speaker 1: I would have liked, amy is if we did the
Speaker 1: Gimba girl scene and then you have that scene where
Speaker 1: h Jess, I mean Rory says I don't think he
Speaker 1: is either, and then we had to California the bus there.
Speaker 1: What I want is somebody I don't know this is
Speaker 1: an experiment, somebody I don't know even know how you
Speaker 1: do this, because I don't know how to do this.
Speaker 1: Re edits the episode, We watch it again, best, like
Speaker 1: Danielle saying, so we watch all the stuff and it
Speaker 1: ends with I don't either, and then we can still
Speaker 1: have the funny bit they pulled through the light and
Speaker 1: the police pull them over, and then slow fade we
Speaker 1: see Jess coming off the bus and then we watch
Speaker 1: all those Yeah, how do we do that? Let's let
Speaker 1: let's do that. So can we get to pop culture police? Wait?
Speaker 1: First you have to give best lines, but I don't
Speaker 1: have any. We didn't get the last scene. Oh we
Speaker 1: sort of touched on it, okay, So then we go
Speaker 1: to this last scene that Scott you sort of talked about.
Speaker 1: We're in the bookstore, and weirdly, Jimmy comes in like
Speaker 1: a father, being like, if you're going to go to
Speaker 1: a bookstore, you've got to tell me where you're going.
Speaker 1: I've been in ten bookstores, and then proceeds to acknowledge
Speaker 1: the Bowie song, which I thought Scott was important because
Speaker 1: you it stood out to you too, So obviously it
Speaker 1: was a very conscious choice because they bring it up
Speaker 1: in this and it's kind of the why are you here?
Speaker 1: And he's like, you come in, you didn't even talk
Speaker 1: to me, and he's like, I did want to talk
Speaker 1: to you, and then you're right. It was a very weird,
Speaker 1: sudden turn you can't stay here, and Jimmy says, I'm
Speaker 1: a screw up, and Jess says, I have nothing, and
Speaker 1: then it's let me talk to Sasha, and it was
Speaker 1: just a very It seemed like that should have been
Speaker 1: an hour long scene. That was I think they got
Speaker 1: some very bad feedback on those scenes with father and
Speaker 1: son and that's why they decided not to go with it.
Speaker 1: It was more of the same. It didn't feel right,
Speaker 1: and you know, polling said, don't do this anyway. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've beaten that horse. And I just have
Speaker 1: to say the very very last scene where it announces
Speaker 1: that she's a very Victorian, leads up to next week,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite episode of the whole series. All right, okay,
Speaker 1: but this, let's talk about this thing. This was a
Speaker 1: very nice scene for Laureli. She's really right exactly, and
Speaker 1: she gets to really beam with pride and love and
Speaker 1: jeorlan to her daughter and they have that really great
Speaker 1: moment in the kitchen and Rory acknowledges that, you know,
Speaker 1: what an amazing thing she has done, and she's so
Speaker 1: humble about it, and that played very genuine to me,
Speaker 1: like she didn't not tell for any reason other than
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be a bragger basically. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I think that's really the difference between
Speaker 1: let's revive the horse again to beat it some more.
Speaker 1: But that's that's the difference, because we get these quality
Speaker 1: characters in Gilmore, right, and they may have messy lives
Speaker 1: and all that, but they're striving and they're doing well
Speaker 1: and they're making progress. And then we go back to
Speaker 1: the beach and it's all like, I don't want you
Speaker 1: as my kid. Get out of it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: just a different world. It's a whole different world that
Speaker 1: I think the audience just said no, thank you, and
Speaker 1: I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah, okay, you
Speaker 1: guys get ready. Uh look strap in because we've got
Speaker 1: some intel coming in live. It's coming in through my
Speaker 1: page here. It's coming across the wire. Yeah, I still
Speaker 1: have a page here. It's coming across the wire. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's like it's like Morris code coming through and
Speaker 1: I can I can read Morse code. Um. It's all
Speaker 1: coming through on the teletype machines. They're going crazy in here.
Speaker 1: Can you hear the racket? Um? But we've got some intel.
Speaker 1: We've got some you know, we've got a little uh,
Speaker 1: you know, side notes and stuff that my crack team
Speaker 1: and I hearts cracked team noticed. The cool kids call
Speaker 1: it btsts behind the scene. One day we will be
Speaker 1: cool kids. We will be able to just say bts
Speaker 1: without having to be reminded to say it. That's that's
Speaker 1: it anyway, So let's let's get into this. Huh. You know,
Speaker 1: this episode was indeed, and I know we're discussing there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of confusion about it, but this was
Speaker 1: the back door pilot for the j spinoff called Windward
Speaker 1: Circle windword Circle, My God, God, bless your windword Circle,
Speaker 1: which is like not getting that at all. Windword Circle
Speaker 1: could be you know, it could be mskins. You know
Speaker 1: that that's an easy title to butcher. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't even understand what Windward ho Windward rectangle, wind whoa
Speaker 1: juicy But the project was abandoned due to the high
Speaker 1: cost of shooting at Venice Beach. Wink wink, Yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: The opening kitchen scene lauralized making coffee, and she remember
Speaker 1: when she's sneaking around not wanting to wake up Rory,
Speaker 1: thinking that Rory was asleep okay. So, so she she
Speaker 1: fills the pot with water and adds the coffee to
Speaker 1: the machine, but she never pours the water in. She
Speaker 1: just sets the pot full of clean water on the
Speaker 1: burner of the coffee maker and leaves it. Yes, shocked,
Speaker 1: are you as as I am? Shocked? It's shocked hole
Speaker 1: all right? When Laura La or Rory are in the
Speaker 1: kitchen the beginning, and Luke's outside the back door waving
Speaker 1: at Laura like keeps popping his head in three or
Speaker 1: four times, which is kind of common, when she also
Speaker 1: startled me. Right, It's just I think it's supposed to you,
Speaker 1: the audience. You, the audience are supposed to be part
Speaker 1: of the scene. Well, and what I noticed is, and
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I noticed that normally there's
Speaker 1: curtains there, and they were opened or gone so that
Speaker 1: we could see Luke be bopped in. That's a good
Speaker 1: piece of intel. So anyway, So so lucas outside the
Speaker 1: back door waving at Laurea La, and when she goes
Speaker 1: out windwards circle, certainly, isn't it sounds like a soap
Speaker 1: opera does, like the sands through it's windwards? Is the
Speaker 1: windward circle like like wind through the windmills. It's windbrew Circle.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the name. Yeah, we we apologize. Um, well,
Speaker 1: we'll be going to a group and and being reprogrammed
Speaker 1: after this. Uh. So he's outsod with outdoors, waving at
Speaker 1: Laurela a couple of times, and when she finally goes outside,
Speaker 1: she's actually walking out through the side door of the
Speaker 1: living room. This is because the kitchen was built on
Speaker 1: a sound stage, of course, and the kitchen door doesn't
Speaker 1: actually lead outside. It doesn't. So we went from a
Speaker 1: sound stage where that door leads to like concrete and
Speaker 1: you know, massive sidewall there, to cutting to filming that
Speaker 1: scene at the actual house that Laurela uses for all
Speaker 1: the exteriors. We used that house for all the exteriors,
Speaker 1: the hoope and stuff walking up, the car pulling up
Speaker 1: did not even get an inkling of that. Isn't that great?
Speaker 1: How how smooth that was? Yeah, how smooth the filming
Speaker 1: of that was and all that. So the kitchen door
Speaker 1: actually does it doesn't actually lead outside. That makes it
Speaker 1: look like she was stepping outside. They had to use
Speaker 1: the living room side door as a stand in for
Speaker 1: the back door on the other side of it as
Speaker 1: They're said. The cameras are set up at Laurelized actual
Speaker 1: exterior house, you know, way across the lot of Warner Brothers,
Speaker 1: And so we could be out there on the porch. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The magic of of of of TV, the magic of
Speaker 1: making TV okay great scoop. At the seven thirty point,
Speaker 1: when Laurelai walks in front of the window, you can
Speaker 1: see and this is still I think on the porch right. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can still see that. You can see the reflection
Speaker 1: of the camera and a person looking at a piece
Speaker 1: of paper. Maybe that was script e whoa. Can we
Speaker 1: try and zoom in on that Instagram? Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: think we can. We can. I think we can staff
Speaker 1: that there's a crack staff working in collaboration with my
Speaker 1: crack staff at one eleven. Uh, I think you guys
Speaker 1: are a floor below mine. We got so many people,
Speaker 1: one person between all of us. One. At the eight point,
Speaker 1: the sparklet's water cooler get this ready, Yeah, it's missing
Speaker 1: the bottle of water. It was just empty, like they
Speaker 1: ran out waiting for the guy. The bottle is not
Speaker 1: even there. Yeah. Well they have no water. They have
Speaker 1: no water. Maybe that's why the coffee pot never go
Speaker 1: what's happening? They're they're they're, they're dehydrated. I'm worried now
Speaker 1: some pop tarts out on the table. Fault. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know it? I think that is well, maybe it
Speaker 1: didn't need to match because from a prior take or
Speaker 1: a prior set up in the scene. So if it
Speaker 1: wasn't there and one, it can't be there in any other.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Scripty the other day for some reason.
Speaker 1: Why was I doing that? And I actually mentioned it
Speaker 1: to Daniel on a phone call. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what about script Why did I say that we need
Speaker 1: to meet Scripty? But anyway, keep going, Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you we haven't. We have a new Scripty up here
Speaker 1: on Sullivan's crossing, and you can't mess with her. She's tough.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of turnover in this no what but
Speaker 1: what but but but I'll tell you, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: she's she's like, you don't want to mess with her? Right?
Speaker 1: What would be the next job? If you're scripty? What
Speaker 1: would be the next Like when you get promote, what
Speaker 1: do you go to? I don't know that you go
Speaker 1: to anything. Script Supervisor doesn't really lead to anything because
Speaker 1: that's sort of the top thing. Well, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a I mean, you don't graduate
Speaker 1: to script supervisor once you're I think you just start
Speaker 1: doing that. You can either you're either a person that
Speaker 1: has great detail and great focus and can keep a
Speaker 1: lot of balls in the air at the same time
Speaker 1: for an extended period, every single day for fourteen hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that takes a very special persons. I would suddenly be texting.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, and just exactly, I didn't miss the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, the dinosaur wouldn't appear when you know, the
Speaker 1: t rex actually shows up because you were It's like,
Speaker 1: sorry miss that. Sorry, I am so sorry. Mr Spield,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry. Mr Goldblum. I was texting. I
Speaker 1: didn't know anyway. They're like, there was a great TikTok
Speaker 1: that I just had to see. Uh listen, you're you're
Speaker 1: in the right job. Yeah, you've you've found the right job.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of attention to detail there.
Speaker 1: Um uh okay. At eighteen mark, when Jesse's bus pulls
Speaker 1: up to the curb at Venice Beach, lit Sky Studio
Speaker 1: Rentals is clearly visible on the side of the bus.
Speaker 1: Then as Jess crosses the street, you can see a
Speaker 1: tourist taking pictures of the camera crew. Oh my god. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all right, and then at ten thirty six, clown pillow
Speaker 1: makes an appearance. Really, so we had double clown action.
Speaker 1: There was a clown pillow and then there was the
Speaker 1: wall of clowns at Sasha, right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's this one and the same, there's no my crack
Speaker 1: staff has not provided that d tail if you if
Speaker 1: we ever get to see Amy and damn, I need
Speaker 1: to know what is going on with the clown thing
Speaker 1: because they've definitely got a clown thing. Yeah, there's no question,
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. I mean to I mean
Speaker 1: it was all the detail that they provide everyone on
Speaker 1: all levels, and then to sort of make sure that
Speaker 1: they have the discussion that the clown pillow will appear
Speaker 1: in just about every episode, right, I am not. I
Speaker 1: think it was Poulter guys, did me in have you
Speaker 1: seen the original Poulter guys like the Craig T. Nelson Poulter. Course,
Speaker 1: of course that clown who attacked clowns though, yeah, who
Speaker 1: is there really isn't a fan of It's a much.
Speaker 1: It's a much maligned profession, isn't it because of all
Speaker 1: the horror films that involve clowns. And I think it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, very very successful. It's right. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, yeah, it they're giving clowns like Jaws gave
Speaker 1: sharks a bad name. It is get Jaws and it
Speaker 1: sharks and clowns. I didn't actually think it was all
Speaker 1: that scary, but I did give you the creeps over
Speaker 1: the clown because you probably saw too much clown too soon, right.
Speaker 1: I think I was just older when I saw it,
Speaker 1: and I was so prepared for it to like ruin
Speaker 1: my life with fear that I went in aggressively being ready,
Speaker 1: and I think it worked because I was like, that
Speaker 1: wasn't There's there's certain things that don't age well and
Speaker 1: they'll scary. You know. The other night there was a
Speaker 1: there was a carry grant uh uh, what do you
Speaker 1: call it? Extravaganza on right, and they no, there was
Speaker 1: a Marilyn Monroe. So I watched some like it Hot
Speaker 1: and I thought it was pretty funny. But the guy
Speaker 1: was talking to himself a lot, you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot a monologue. Yeah, and he's great he's a
Speaker 1: great actor. He's really funny, and to pair of those
Speaker 1: two was kind of genius. But I mean after about
Speaker 1: forty five minutes and I I was like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of tired of this guy talking to himself and
Speaker 1: I get the joke and it's like he's a he's
Speaker 1: a fish out of water with this bombshell and she's
Speaker 1: so sweet and all this stuff. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: So I just turned it off. And then there was
Speaker 1: Carrie Grant with with Sophia Lauren in Houseboat in Houseboat
Speaker 1: and it was a family friendly, sort of a funny thing,
Speaker 1: and it's just like after a half hour, I got
Speaker 1: all right, that's a that's a well, it's funny you
Speaker 1: say that because this for me growing up, Friday the
Speaker 1: thirteenth the original and Nightmare on Elm Street and poultr
Speaker 1: guys were just terrifying. And now, especially Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 1: it's almost campy. You're like, why was I so freaked
Speaker 1: out by this? Although the end I can't watch life.
Speaker 1: Life toughens up, doesn't it, And these films are like
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Yeah, it's like right, like The Exorcist.
Speaker 1: If I was alone you know. I saw that when
Speaker 1: it first came out with my friends and we all
Speaker 1: turned green and we stayed at my friend's house that
Speaker 1: night because he was Catholic. You know, he was going
Speaker 1: to protect us the whole thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like, now, it would probably scare me if
Speaker 1: I was watching it in in a house I just
Speaker 1: bought that was completely empty in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, and I'm sitting there like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch the two in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: You're like, I can take this. Yeah, not a big deal, right,
Speaker 1: but freaked out by Children of the Corn that one
Speaker 1: still never never saw that children. I like the Children
Speaker 1: of the Corn is an intriguing title. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: Children of the Wheat, Children of the Barley? Did they did?
Speaker 1: They follow up with sequels of different types of think
Speaker 1: so for some reason, remember Children of the Corn. It
Speaker 1: was scary. It wasn't really so there was no Children
Speaker 1: of the Wheat, right right, Children of the Asparagus. What's
Speaker 1: that new age one that everyone Children of the Peppers,
Speaker 1: children's thing that people eat children that age? You know what?
Speaker 1: You know what? You know what movie did hold up
Speaker 1: North by Northwest, Alfred Hitchcock, Carry Grant and Eva Marie
Speaker 1: sat Oh god, oh man, what a film? And James Mason.
Speaker 1: James Mason, but do you got anything else? We get
Speaker 1: some tracked. Sorry, they don't care. They don't care for
Speaker 1: that so much. The hot Dogs Stand, Yeah, used Dan Jason. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about something really great enough enough
Speaker 1: of that, you know, Alfred Hitchcock classic. Yeah, the hot
Speaker 1: Dog Stand used as as Dante's Inferno. Uh, it's actually
Speaker 1: the original location of Dog on a Stick. No, I
Speaker 1: love hot Dog on a Stick. True story. It's true,
Speaker 1: as my son would say, it's true. You got some
Speaker 1: solid intel? Yeah, yeah, and that's I'm gonna bring that
Speaker 1: to a close because my last pit of intel we've
Speaker 1: already noticed. And I'm gonna give you a win on
Speaker 1: that win word circle when I don't want to be
Speaker 1: associated with that circle. Yeah, it could have been something, right,
Speaker 1: it could have been what could have been? But isn't
Speaker 1: that you know they treat the I guess think if
Speaker 1: that was the pilot episode, that was within an episode,
Speaker 1: a pilot within in an episode, I'm an established backdoor pilot?
Speaker 1: Is that what they call a backdoor pilot. You think
Speaker 1: that's the terminology. Um, we've feeling pretty sure about that.
Speaker 1: They must have gotten some horrific feedback not to move
Speaker 1: forward because you've got this what I'm thinking. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got this love it character, this this charismatic Milo,
Speaker 1: right vent Amelia, and they don't move forward with it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, and they were handing out shows
Speaker 1: to the guys on Gilmore girls like they were like
Speaker 1: Carolyn Finn. So I'm trying. I hope call us robstis
Speaker 1: because I want to know what happened. We'll see. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I think you know what
Speaker 1: I think it is. I don't think it's the actors.
Speaker 1: I think it's the concept of the storyline. Right. I
Speaker 1: think it's the concept because you sure the money played
Speaker 1: into it. I'm sure that that's no. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you have a concept like let's say Supernatural, where you
Speaker 1: put two guys together, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the concept. So I'm not saying I'm not taking
Speaker 1: anyway from the two leads. It helps when those two
Speaker 1: guys are Jared and Jensen, right, it does, But I
Speaker 1: mean there's other two guys you could have put in
Speaker 1: there and maybe it works too because the concept is
Speaker 1: so strong. But they just wanted to you know, the
Speaker 1: most popular guys of the day at that time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So of course it was going
Speaker 1: to work. Um so yeah, and uh did they have did?
Speaker 1: Did did Matt zukri ever get a w B spinoff
Speaker 1: show Girl to the Good to the Good Wife? He
Speaker 1: literally went to a humongous show on CBS and he
Speaker 1: was amazing and then he was a secondary still much
Speaker 1: more elevated than he was on Gilmore Girls, but still
Speaker 1: it was not it was Julianna Margatalie's the show and
Speaker 1: the resident though is a is Matt Zuker? No, it's
Speaker 1: his show. Sure is his show, and it is such
Speaker 1: a good show and he is awesome on it. The
Speaker 1: c W let him get away, Yeah didn't. The Foxes
Speaker 1: stoked on that boxes like thank you anyway. So that's
Speaker 1: all I got. That's what I got. You did great?
Speaker 1: I love that, alright, So let's do favorite lines. Actually
Speaker 1: just said mine look has become a social I thought
Speaker 1: that was very funny. Okay, I agree. I think that's
Speaker 1: a great line. Danielle, go ahead, go alright. My favorite
Speaker 1: line is is just to the dogs when he says,
Speaker 1: I swear I will bite you back. That's great. How
Speaker 1: many jars of pickles? Scott Oh, the episode? The episode episode?
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, man, I think um strong.
Speaker 1: I think it's for me. It's between a seven point
Speaker 1: five and eight point two. Okay, okay, now do the
Speaker 1: venice thing took a lot away from it. You could
Speaker 1: give it as separate pickle jars like I'm kind of giving.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the overall of six pickle jars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the Gilmore stuff, the stars hollow stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give that a strong nine and a half. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I think the pickle jars, Sir Danielle
Speaker 1: the less for the venice stuff, seven pickle jars. I
Speaker 1: was gonna give it a six. All right, light everybody,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be thank you, ladies. Uh tar, sued daniel Rome.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we're ending on a
Speaker 1: we're befuddled sort of feel like, and I feel like
Speaker 1: Scott the network probably felt the same way. Again, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. We do not have any more episodes
Speaker 1: of the my logos or Jess goes to Venice show
Speaker 1: that that was their shot. What would you have called it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what would you have named that show?
Speaker 1: You stay off the beach, Um, don't don't go to
Speaker 1: the beach. Venice really stinks in the summer. Next episode,
Speaker 1: Season three, episode twenty two. This season three finale, there
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