WEBVTT - I Failed Him (S3 E21 "Here Comes the Son”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:17.520 I am all in that Kissed You, I am all 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:23.440 in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Everybody. Hi, Hi, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:31.320 what did you think? I'll just get right into it. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.479 I liked it. I really thought it was a great episode. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:40.920 But it stressed me out because it was so drama rama. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.159 It was so much drama rama going on. It was 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.239 heavy stuff, right, and I mean the Jess arc and 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:53.920 you know, Emily not wanting Laurela around. It was stressful. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.880 It was just it was just it wasn't light and 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.960 as fun as I you know, I like these episodes 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.120 to be. But again, Amy tends to have a different 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:08.120 writing style than her husband, and so when Amy is 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.800 writing directing, she's controlling everything, and you know you're gonna 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.080 get one of these really heavy episodes. And it was 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.679 filled with great lines and humor and all that stuff, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.040 but the but the you know, but the but the 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.440 narratives and the themes, which it was just very I 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.880 was exhausted after watching this episode. And she obviously wrote 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.720 it because it was intended to be the launching pad 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:35.280 for a Jess rob ST's Sherylyn Fenn spinoff, right, And 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.360 that's when I thought was kind of peculiar about it, 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.959 because what am I doing in Venice, California with rob 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.679 estis Milo and Cheryl and Fenn. Not that that isn't 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.240 a great triple right there. Okay, all all great, but 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.320 it just it just felt foreign. It just felt like, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.600 you know, and then we go back to stars Hollow 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.360 and a door opening in Emily's house and it's like, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.440 what what's happening? You know? So so yeah, it was 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.400 a little for me, although I enjoyed the California stuff, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.440 but um, anyway, that's my initial impression. I loved the episode. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.840 I was fully engaged, actually, but it was a little 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.200 it was a little stressful for me. Yeah. I've only 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.799 seen this episode twice. I saw it when it ran 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.840 the first time, you know, on television. I watched it 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.640 once on the DVDs, and I've never watched it again 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.080 because I remember not being into it, almost like this 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.960 never became a thing. I don't need to rewatch this one, 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.080 because this just didn't become a thing. This third time, though, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.200 I liked it the best of all the three times 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.680 I've ever watched it. I tried to watch it like 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.040 in a different way, and I liked it much more. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.120 I didn't like it when I watched it originally because 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.400 it felt like a different show, Like, why am I 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.959 watching this right now? And you know what, I'm being 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:01.720 insufferably rude, and I apologize. I failed to introduce everybody. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:08.559 What the heck is wrong with me? Daniel Romo Welcome, Hello, Hello, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:14.520 Amy Sugarman, Hello, And we're joined also by the one 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:22.960 and only Traveling Parasus who who shows up? When I 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.040 mean it's just traveling you guys. I have like four 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.440 weeks in a row. I think I'm going to be 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:33.920 out of town coming up for Yeah, but was the 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:43.640 time with Matt Zukri the best? I mean Matt and Yeah, 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.240 we're still like glowing from the Mad Sure experience. I mean, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.240 it's like the guy you know, I want to interview 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.480 him every week. Forgot I'm not gonna lie to you. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.400 I went back and watched like a couple episodes. Well, no, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.080 I think I mentioned it last week. But I went 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.200 back and watched the revival just because I want to 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.560 see him in it. Oh my god, I did the 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.840 same thing. I didn't want to doable, but I snuck ahead. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.200 I cheated, and I went to I wanted to see 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.560 Matt's first appearance. Oh my god, wait, Amy, I went 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.600 to see that clip and really, funny enough, my friend's 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.800 husband is in the background of that episode and he's 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.520 currently on a c W show, so I need to 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.479 like text her save that when we get there. Save. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.080 That's that's that's called being zuk read. That means you 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.200 break the rules. You've been zok red, You've been you. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.680 It's not being Gilmoard anymore. It's being zook read. He 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.080 forces you to break the rules and cheat and go 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.760 ahead and watch the episodes when you're not. Must make 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.839 that a thing. You've been zook read, which just means 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:54.400 you have gotten hard eyes hard Uh. Anyway, I am 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.520 all in podcast one eleven Productions. iHeart Radio and here 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.920 we are kick off. What is this episode twenty one 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.960 twenty one Here Comes the Sun? Go ahead? Daniel takes away. Alright, So, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.880 as Scott just said, Season three, episode twenty one, Here 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.520 Comes the Sun air date May fifteen, two thousand three, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.680 and the synopsis is Rory is busy with finals, and 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.039 she has an insanely busy schedule of things to get 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.800 done before a graduation, and we find out through her 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.520 yearbook signatures that she is the valedictorian of her class. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.000 Laura and Emily have another fight fight. When Laura Lae 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.000 picks up Rory from her house, we get to meet 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.560 Miss Selene, who is dressing Emily and Richard for Rory's graduation. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.280 Paris was accepted to three colleges, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.560 and Laura La bonded with her at the very end 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.240 of the year. Meanwhile, three thousand miles away, just visits 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.400 his dad Jimmy, in Venice, California and asked to stay 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.560 for a while because he has nothing left in Stars Hollow. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.160 So thank you, Danielle. You know, I just read off 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.560 the top and then we'll take it from the beginning, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.120 but I just want to get this in um and 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.279 just just a comment on what you were saying, Amy, Yeah, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.800 it felt like another show when we went to California, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.600 with people trying to talk like they were in Gilmore Girls. Yeah, 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.560 and it didn't feel like Gilmore. It had gilmore Esque 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:23.640 qualities like Masal does, like Bunheads did, but it did 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.760 feel like you're like watching a different show. Also, note 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.560 it's here comes the Sun, but for people listening that 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.039 can't read it, it's s o n get it. Here 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:37.520 comes the Sun. Yeah, just for those listening and not 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.400 so anyway, Amy, take us takes from the top of 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.719 this and we'll we'll do chronological and in my memory 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.599 because I hadn't seen it in you know, fifteen years, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.040 maybe eighteen years whenever the DVDs for this season came out. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.640 In my memory, I wasn't sure that Lorra Lye and 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.719 Rory were in it at all. I was like, is 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:02.719 this just a full like Jess robsd Sherlyn Fenn it 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.039 should have been in my opinion, I feel like going 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.960 back stars hollow kind of threw me off. M But 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.920 you know, Lorela I was light in this episode, and 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.360 I really liked her in this episode because she wasn't 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.480 so manic and she wasn't so stressed out all the 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.000 time stuff for that one scene in in her parents 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.040 house and Emily and Richard's house, which and she was 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.360 justifiably kind of offended. Yeah, but I really liked her 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.320 in this because she was a little calmer um and 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.520 I just sort of celebrating her daughter and feeling great 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.680 about that in every scene pretty much. So that was 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.360 a nice, nice touch. Anyway, take us all right, So 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.080 we stay in Weston's, which I thought was interesting. Why 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.680 weren't we at the diner? But we were at Weston's. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.880 It's so funny because when they started at Weston's, I 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.000 was like, are Luke and Lorela in the fight? Because 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.960 why are they at Westons? Like? I had no idea 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.840 why they weren't at Luke's. I could only come up 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.200 with to honor fran because like and passed away, but 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.520 Weston's is still open. I don't know. So they're talking 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.960 about the trip to Europe, so that's important. Uh. Lorrel 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.320 has curly hair and is wearing the piece shirt, which 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.920 I liked. And then basically Lane comes in to talk 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.440 about her brochure she's got for college, and that's sort 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.360 of the gist of where we're at. There's two parks, 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:28.160 one for guys, one for girls. Yeah, Roryes are like 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:33.560 two parks, one for boys. My big question there was 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:40.880 why Weston's. Um, Yeah, let's hopefully then it was. But 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.880 it was a good scene. It was definitely good. It 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.559 was a good opening scene. So then the credits roll 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.120 and we realize, okay, special guest starre rob Esties, so 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.520 we know, okay, he's back, and I think we even 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:56.120 see Sherilyn Fenn's name in the credits, so we then 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.640 still are at Lower Lies or so, so we're still 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.760 with Lower Lys, so we're still in Stars Hollows. But 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.560 we see Laura Lee in the leopard dress with the 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.679 cute sweater. She's trying to be very quiet making the coffee, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:07.920 which I was like, why is she trying to be 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.480 so quiet? And then Rory is studying and just she's 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.920 got so much to do before graduation. So that's sort 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.640 of the gist. So we learned. One other tidbit is 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.520 that she's going to see Emily, her grandma, to talk 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.600 about what Emily is going to wear the graduation. And 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.720 then we see Luke in the doorway and I actually 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.480 was startled by that. It was like, no, what's he 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.600 doing there? So that's sort of the setup. And then 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.120 she goes out and realizes because Luke tells her just 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.680 as gone, Yeah, I like that scene. I like that 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.439 scene a lot. I liked it. And he actually carried 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.640 her over to the other side of the house, but 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.000 he got visit, you know, he actually touched her, and 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.000 it was also a new angle of the porch. We 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.360 haven't seen that much right, right, right. But I like 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.760 that scene. I like that it was great and it 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:02.520 was and it showed his his um, you know, him 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.280 feeling really like a big failure and he acknowledge that. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.480 I thought that was a very poignant moment in this 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.080 yes so not yes. So. Not only has he come 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.000 to tell Laura Lie because he's worried about Rory, he 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.760 then really kind of says, you know, I failed him, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.360 and I do know what you're talking about. I even 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.960 wrote a note the arm touch, but it was more 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.920 it was more like significant. He moved her and she 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.439 didn't mind it. You know, it was like he moved 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.439 her whole body over around there because he was so 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.440 concerned that Rory didn't you know, he's protecting Rory. He 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.200 didn't want her to hear this. So so so far, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:46.240 what do you think of the episode? Just put these 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.920 two scenes before we go to Santa Monica, Venice. I 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.679 think there's a big void there without Jess and I'm 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.200 you know, I'm wondering what's happening, And you know, without 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.280 Jess there, that really does take away a lot from 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.160 from the proceedings. So I was very curious about what 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.640 was gonna unfold. And pretty pretty quickly we get to 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.160 him getting off the bus, right right, is that the 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.600 next little portion there exactly, that's exactly right. So Danielle, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:17.400 did you immediately know he's in California? Um, like once 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.679 he got off the bus. Absolutely, but like, yeah, the 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.640 Beach Boys music gave it away. No, it was literally like, hello, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.920 that's Venice beach right, just growing up here, like you 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.800 know that's Venice. Within a second, coming soon, there's a 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.319 very significant shot scene on scene shot on the Santa 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.320 Monica Pierre. So he gets off, he's in Venice. Uh, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.800 Santa Monica area. The Beach Boys must have cost a 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:49.359 pretty penny to get that good Yeah, and uh, he's 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.640 it's very iconic with him and his Jess. Look the 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.840 leather jacket jacket on the beach with the girls cart wheeling, 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:02.200 and you're immediately like fish out of water. Yeah, like 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.200 like take the jacket off. You've got to be sweating 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.840 under their and a leather jacket standing on the beach 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.000 in Venice. I mean, for that's sake, it's already nine 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.720 myself right now, just so hot. Okay, he's that cool? Right, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.440 So then we quickly go back again. So there's a 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.520 lot of that throughout this episode of like California Stars, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.080 Hollow California Stars, also back and forth. Can I make 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.880 one note that I noticed right off the bat? And 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.000 then it pays off even a little bit later, like 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.600 right when Jess gets off the bus, there's just dogs 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.679 and I'm like, oh, I don't think we've seen dogs 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.559 on set yet, at least not for a while. And 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.520 I was like interesting. And then fast forward to the scene, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.040 which we'll talk about a little bit, I was like, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.520 why are there so many dogs in California? I make 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:51.960 sure they're all over the US. So we go back 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.560 to the Gilmore's and we the significant thing is we 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.160 learned she grabs the letter out of the mailbox, and 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.439 we learned that Rory has been denied i'd financial aid 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.800 because of the seventy dollars. So that's sort of that piece. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.680 And then we're immediately back in Venice and we see 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.920 Jess going to four to two whatever mystery street and 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.160 this house. How he knew where to go, I'm not 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.400 totally sure. Do you think, um I was actually thinking 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.680 about this? Do you think that he actually looked at 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.520 his license? Because remember he left his wallet right I 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.280 don't because the last episode, But why would he have 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.959 not freaked out? He just gives the wallet. If he 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.440 saw the name, if he looked at it enough to 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.720 see the address and knew that was his dad, He's 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.199 not going to say something immediately. That's why I was like, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.480 how do you know the address? These are? This is 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.520 also it could be you know, does he know did 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.760 he know his dad's name? Like, I don't know. Back then, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.079 there was like yellow books, you know what I mean, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.640 you can just like go through people, you know, find 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:04.080 Jimmy Mariano. Alright, I live true the Yellow Pages. It 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.640 wouldn't be in the Yellow Pages because that was where 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.800 businesses were. It would have been in the White Pages. Yeah, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.880 it probably could have been listed. So you know, I 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:20.840 I found all of these scenes particularly heartbreaking. Yeah, it 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:25.120 was difficult for me to watch it personally. Uh uh no, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.000 I don't want you and you know all of that. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.000 So I thought Sherylyn Fenn was great. She really was. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.680 She was. She's just great. I mean she played the 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.480 heck out of that part. Man. I agree, And did 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.080 you not see a little of Oh it kind of 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.920 does make sense why she was considered to be lower 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.800 Lie oh, without questions, You're like, oh, I get it. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:52.680 she's sort of okay, Yeah, you're apparently was first choice. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.280 She was first choice, I believe you. Now. I know 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.040 people are going to murder me because I want to 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:05.360 say a spoiler, but obviously Amy Sherman Palladino loves Sherylyn 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.240 Fenn because this is not the only role Sherylyn Fenn 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:16.120 plays on Gilmore Girls. Really really, Yes, she played my ex? Yeah? Yeah? 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.600 Or was that Mason Amick? No, I'm pretty sure she is. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.120 You know, I may be mistaken. I think Mason Amock 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.480 may have been the first choice for the role of Loyal. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.960 Oh why I always thought it was Sherlyn Fenn. We 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.160 need to fact check that. Yeah, let's fact check it 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.880 because because Marylyn comes back, so we won't ruin it. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:44.680 But I'm sure SHERYLN. Fenn comes back and plays another character, Daniel, 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.440 just turn your mute for a second, the mother of 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.760 all Right, I mean, I love for someone to check, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.080 but sure she plays Sasha in one. She does, and 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.480 then she plays you know who? Correct? Yes, I just 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.520 looked it, so and I'm pretty sure she was a 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.120 front runner to You're good Daniels. Sorry, poor daniel is 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:12.800 giving thank you. I feel like I'm in family feud 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.800 where they say to answers like and I mean like 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:25.960 a sound like welcome back to the So what did 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.760 you think immediately, Danielle to of Sherylyn Fentn What were 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:35.560 your initial Sasha? I think she's cool. I like her 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.240 character a lot. Um. I thought the whole storyline is 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.600 interesting because she has the daughter, and yet Jimmy didn't 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.320 really say much about Jess, you know, like and she 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.520 confronts him about it and she's like angry. Um, she 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.040 obviously wants to be married because she kind of like 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.440 did that little dig at him, you know. Um. I 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.120 think she's cool. I think she's super like strong, independent, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:09.159 cool person. That was my thoughts. Yeah, Scott, Yeah, a 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.040 great character. I wish they had her come back more 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.639 and more and more as that character. Maybe she visited 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.200 just they got Jimmy and Jess back to stars Hollow 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.520 so that she could come back with her daughter, you know, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.200 because she's so great, you know, and they're also great, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.399 like get it out of Venice, and I know, I 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.680 know they were setting up the pilot and the spinoff 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.280 and all that stuff, But why not bring her back? Yeah? 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.159 Did anybody else think Sherylyn Fenn is so good that 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.959 almost rob Estes became secondary? I agree, Like he was 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.360 so good in the previous episode and he's so important here, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.960 but she really stood out to me, and she was 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.000 very Gilmore. Yeah, it's because she wore the pants and 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.520 that's the great way to describe it, Like she definitely, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.720 she definitely wore the pants in that relationship, right right, right, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.000 is why I thought the characterization of of the Rob 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.920 the Rob best Is character the Jimmy, I don't know 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.199 if that was I don't know if it could have 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.000 been better. That's right, because it doesn't work as well 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.000 in this But so why not write him as a 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.480 guy who's super laid back and chill and and just like, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.960 you know, just a lover and a peace nick and 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:30.399 the whole thing, not this you know, agitated sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.359 Rob Bestis is to me much better in the episode 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:41.360 before this one. This one is really Sherilyn Fens episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:47.359 And everything was Gilmurray, her her mannerisms, her way, the 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:53.680 house is Gilmurray. The colors are bright, the clowns of 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.600 the clown the literal clown dolls. I wanted to mention 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.080 that there were so many, and I'm like, there is 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.720 a shrine of clown dolls. I'm like, that puts the 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:08.720 pillow to shame totally. The quirkiness of the daughter being 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.359 in the cupboard or the other you know, she's always 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.720 hidden reading her books, which I thought very rory. And 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.520 then we the dogs and the cats and all the 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.159 books in Jimmy's room, the books and the records, and 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.680 You're just like, Okay, there's a lot to unpack here. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.679 What do you think was wrong with Jimmy? Like that 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.560 he just got his act together five years ago and 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.359 he's still kind of nervous and agitated and and schmucky. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.199 And I mean, how do you talk that way to 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.080 your son? No, I don't want you here. I don't 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.040 want to be a father. That's why I went I 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.360 went away seventeen. I mean, this is just like you're 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.240 sticking a knife in your in your kid's heart again 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.320 and again and again. And I just thought, man, this 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.520 is this is hard to hear, and it's hard to want. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.840 No prize from what we know of Liz up till 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.400 now too, So um, I don't know. I was so 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:05.280 thrown off by how the character of Jimmy was written, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.679 and I just kept rewriting him in my head every 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.440 time he came on screen and said, he's got to 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.800 be a different guy because he's got it's got to 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.320 be the opposite of what this is. It can't be close, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.200 you know, you know what I'm saying. Make him completely 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.520 different so that those lines come out easier. You're not wrong, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.320 because we all can talk about the elephant in the room. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.280 This did not become a show, which we'll talk about 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.480 at the end, but this does not become a show, 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.040 and so obviously there were things that did not work. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.720 Either the network didn't think they worked or somebody didn't 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.000 think they worked, because this did not become a spinoff. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.119 So anyway, we Danielle, you you go, you look like 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:50.359 you're yeah. I had like a very interesting um like 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.840 I found a very interesting parallel in this episode. I 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.000 feel like there's a lot of similarities between Jimmy and 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.240 Luke in the sense that they have their own um 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.920 restaurant type thing that they're in charge of. However, they're 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.600 showing that they're very similar in their work and what 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.960 they do and their work ethic, because when we saw 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.720 Jimmy at um Dante's Inferno, like he was like literally 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.560 like very invested in his work, different than the kind 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.480 of guy we usually see. But then outside of work 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.240 you see the massive difference between Luke and Jimmy. But 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.080 I feel like they almost did that on purpose, Like 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.560 they're very similar people but very very different. And I 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.840 thought that was like a really interesting kind of parallel 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.720 between the two characters. Did to Scott, did you did 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:45.119 you notice that? Um? Gosh, yeah, I don't know that. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:50.160 I saw a lot of similarities there, um just from 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.919 a work perspective, like they you know, I mean, but 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.639 how but we haven't We just saw him in that 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.639 one quick scene with a pickle jar. But don't you 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:03.080 think it's a conscious choice spiced by people writers, amy whoever? 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.600 That Jimmy also has a restaurant. I felt like that 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:15.440 had to be a choice that was made intentionally, very intentionally. Maybe. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.040 I mean, I don't know. I can't get inside their head. Man, 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:27.200 they're blowing them man to sit here and drink my wine. See, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.320 that's the kind of character I wanted Jimmy to do 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.760 to be. Do you like Jimmy from what you know 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.520 from this, I do not. I wouldn't. I don't want 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.520 to spend time with him. He's unhinged. He's he's he's 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.360 shaking in his in his inside of his body. He's 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.280 just quaking all the time. What about Sasha, It's like 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.080 he's in withdrawal all the time. So maybe he is. 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:54.080 Maybe that's the character. I don't know, But uh, Sasha, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.399 who Sasha. That's Oh, she's brilliant. I mean, it was 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.359 a brilliant character. Brilliant. I wanted I just wanted Jimmy 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.199 to be a hippie. I just wanted to be like 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.240 a real, like a throwback hippie. Not I didn't want 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.760 to hate him. I'm kind of I'm kind of tired 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.280 of hating people on the show. You know. It's like 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.800 I like, reserve that for Emily or sometimes Richard and 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.560 sometimes Tricky. I mean, that's part of the family takes 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:25.719 care of, you know. And but the thing is, I 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:31.240 think it's probably ingenious because it makes Jess seems so 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.800 much more like right that he's got this total schmuck 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.800 of a father, I mean, what a schmuck. And and 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.439 and now Jess is looking now we're rooting for him 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.879 and now we're behind him a d. So it is 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.160 probably you have to assume if this was to be 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.119 launching pad for a show, it can't just be Jimmy 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.680 like I love you, I'm sorry I left you seventeen 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.359 years eighteen years ago. Come on in, let's all be 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.240 the Brady Bunch. There has to be like, as if 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.000 this was going to be a show, obviously the conflict 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:07.720 between Jimmy and Jess would have been major. Yeah, and Amy, 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.880 you were saying, like what happened within the last five 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.720 years to make Jimmy kind of shift a little bit? 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.280 Maybe it is Sasha. Maybe Sasha came into his life 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:20.000 and was like I think Scott posed that good question. Yeah, Scott, sorry, 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.800 but but like one thing I found interesting is that 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.399 I or I think we would have gotten the Jimmy 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:31.520