1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: We are one week out from the two thousand two 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Alongside Andrew Dribble. I'm Jason Gibbs. This is 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the Best Podcast Available, presented by a Cross country mortgage. 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: This week kicking off the podcast one week out with 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: the best in the business when it comes to breaking 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: down the NFL Draft. His latest edition, the annual Copy 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: of The Beast, is on The Athletic. Subscribe today to 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: get your copy of the Beast, which is the ultimate 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: NFL Draft Guide. The Great Dane Brugler, our draft analyst, 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: our resident draft analysts. You'll see him on a number 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: of our platforms over the next few weeks. Joins us 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: here on the Best Podcast Available. Dane, we are one 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: week out, and yeah, there's some buzz. It's finally starting 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: to pick up a little bit. You know. I think 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: everybody was talking, but it was more background noise than 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: anything else. I think with this happ and now we're 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: finally starting to get a little speed here and finally 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: getting a little traction one week out from the NFL Draft. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: It feels like that's how it usually works, like it. 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: We we spend so much time talking about the draft, 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: talking about the draft, and it just feels like it's 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: it's a month away. It'll you know, it'll be here eventually, 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: we'll just talk about it. And then one day you 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: wake up and it's so it's draft week. You know, 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: it's just kind of sneaks up on you a little bit. 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: But no, it's still still some prep we have to 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: do to figure out how how these picks are gonna 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: play out. You know, obviously the you know, the Browns 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: not having a first round pick, but then being well 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: represented on Day two. Excuse me playing storylines there, so 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be interesting. Pane, how much did 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: it change your outlook for the Browns with when when 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: that pick got traded and and not just this year's 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: but the next two years. How how did it change 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: your forecast for the team? Well, certainly when you're not 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick. You know, we were 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: penciling in wide receiver there at thirteen for for the 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: Browns as you know, maybe the most likely scenario, and 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: then they add Amari Cooper um and then you think, okay, 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: well maybe they would go pass rusher there, maybe you 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: introduced a defensive line. But then when the trade is 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: made the first round pick then you know, you start 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: your mind shifts towards Okay, Texans now two first round picks. 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: Browns are not picking until that mid second round. Uh, 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: you know what, what's their philosophy going to be? Uh? 46 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: Do you just kind of sit there and wait to 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: see falls to you when they get aggressive with you know, 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: those two third rounders, maybe move up a little bit 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: in the second round to ensure that they get their 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: guy that they want. So the Browns are in an 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: interesting spot this year as they attack the draft, still 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: have uh, you know, picks to be made where you 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: you expect to get starters. Um, but not having that 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: first rounder. But you know what, if you're not gonna 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: have a first round pick, this is maybe the year 56 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: not to have one. This is a very thin upper 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: class of prospects this year, but a robust middle class, 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: and I think you feel good about the players that 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: are still gonna be on the board for you, uh 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: in the mid second round. So you know, if you're 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: not gonna have a first round pick, maybe this is 62 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: a year to do it. Now We'll have to see 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: future years how that affects this team. Uh. You know, 64 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: each draft has its own identity, So at this time, 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: next year, when we're talking about the draft and how 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: things are gonna play out, it might be a different story. 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: We'll just have to see how how all that comes together. 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: But this year, especially having the multiple Day two picks, 69 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: I think the Browns still have options here with how 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: they want to attack things. Dan, I know that you've 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: had some interactions with NFL front offices and and done 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: been a part of them and whatnot. Have you been 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: in a situation like this before where the team doesn't 74 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: have a first round picking. Does it really change the 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: team's philosophy as they're looking at draft and how the 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: draft may fall to them on Day two, not necessarily 77 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: day one. I think at different levels it's it'll be different. 78 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's like the scouts, nothing is different. You're 79 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: still doing your work. You're still know you're not It's 80 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: not like you're you stop doing work on first round players. 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: You're still doing your due diligence of all of these guys. 82 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: So from a scouting perspective, from you know, the area scouts, 83 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: national scouts that you know that that's still the same. 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Now you know from the upper you know some of 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: the key decision makers, general managers and the directors. Maybe 86 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a difference, um, just in 87 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: how you your approach to the draft. But you know, 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: teams are still doing mock drafts in terms of just 89 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: trying to best understand how that first round is gonna 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: play out, so they have a better understanding of Okay, 91 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: maybe these are the five to ten players, you know, 92 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: in the Browns case, especially five to ten players that 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: we really need to focus on. You know, if this 94 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: guy reaches this point, maybe we make a phone call. Uh. 95 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, if this this player that we have graded 96 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: as uh, you know, a high second round pick, if 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: he's available to hear that, that's something that will change 98 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: our thinking a little bit. So it does change your 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: approach not having that first round pick obviously, Um, but 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the key decision makers, they just there's 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: a lot more options. If you're sitting there at thirteen, 102 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: you're you know, you have your draft board. You're gonna 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: get one of your thirteen best players on your draft board. Um. 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: You're also you know, doing groundwork for potential trades. But 105 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: when you're picking mid second round and that's your first pick, 106 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: that you there's a lot more options that could happen. 107 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: A lot more, you know, different scenarios that you can 108 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: see play out, and so I think you have to 109 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: just do it maybe a little bit more, you know, 110 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: preparation with that being your first pick and making sure 111 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: that you know you're you're you're getting a good player, 112 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: especially with it being your first pick and you're only 113 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: pick in the first two rounds. There's two positions that 114 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Browns fans have kind of latched onto with the second 115 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: round pick, and it's between basically wide receiver and somewhere 116 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: on the defensive line. Is is this a good year 117 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: to need those positions when when you're starting picking in 118 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: the second round, addresser or special This, by far, Ed 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: Rusher is by far the best position this year. And 120 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: you know it's it's kind of a broad thing to 121 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: say it's the best position because you could be talking 122 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: about uh, you know, blue Chippers, the top guys, you 123 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: can talk about, you know, future starters, or just overall 124 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: depth throughout the draft. But I think Edd Drusher is 125 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: the answer for all three of those. You We're gonna 126 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: see three of the three ad dreshers go off the 127 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: board very quickly with Adan Hutchinson, Cavon Thibodeau, uh and 128 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Travad Walker probably throw Jermaine Johnson in there as well, 129 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: chance to be a top ten pick. The starters at 130 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: the position that come out of this group is gonna 131 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: be a long list, and it's a position where even 132 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: into Day three, four, fifth round, I think you're gonna 133 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: feel good about some of the pass rushers that are 134 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: going to be available for you. So with the Browns picking, 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: we have three picks on day two, we I think 136 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: it's a fair assumption that one of those is going 137 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: to be a pass rusher, and I think they're gonna 138 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: feel pretty good about the options that they're going to 139 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: have at that point in the draft. Wide receiver, I 140 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: think is a little more top heavy, where we're gonna 141 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: see a lot of these guys go early. They're gonna 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: fly off the board in the first round, um and 143 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: then early second round, I think we're gonna see a 144 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: lot of receivers fly off the board. And so I think, 145 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, there could be ten receiver drafted before the 146 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Browns even have a shot at one of them. And 147 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: so I think it's a position that could be wiped 148 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: out quicker than pass rusher, and maybe that does affect 149 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: how the Browns attached attack this draft. Say say they 150 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: want to come out of the second day with a 151 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: pass rusher in a wide receiver. Let's just hypothetical. Those 152 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: are their two priorities. It factors in you know, who's 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: gonna be available for them in the third? Uh, that 154 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: that might affect you they take in a second if 155 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: they feel like, you know, wide receivers the way they're 156 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: flying off the board, we don't feel good about our 157 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: options in the third, so we're gonna take as long 158 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: as the pass rusher on the receiver are pretty closely grated, 159 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: We're going to go with the receiver here and wait 160 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: because we feel better about the options that we're gonna 161 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: have a pass rusher in the third. So you know, 162 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, to answer your question, both these positions 163 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: are two of the deeper positions this year. UH. They're 164 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: gonna be well represented throughout the first three rounds, no doubt. Yeah. 165 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: And taking look at your draft guide the Beast, which 166 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: you can get by some scribing today to the Athletic 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: dot Com. UH, it's you've got a number of guys 168 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: in that third round and then in the day two, 169 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: especially in that fourth, fourth slash fifth round. UH. In 170 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: terms of where you could see some of these guys going. 171 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Is there a guy that you thought was a Day 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: three guy when you started doing your evaluations that you 173 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: now think falls into that day two category that's making 174 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: that move up the draft board. Yeah, I think that's Uh. 175 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: There are a few, um, you know wide receiver, you know, 176 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: like guy like Khalil Secure from Boise State, who um 177 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: you know you watched I watched him last summer from 178 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: his junior tape and I thought, you know, this is 179 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: is a good player, but it doesn't look overly dynamic. 180 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: And then I don't know what he did, but he 181 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: looked a lot more explosive on a senior tape. Uh. 182 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: And then that continued throughout the process at the Senior Bowl, 183 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: at the to combine through his workouts, and so I 184 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: think Khalil Sekre could be a guy that goes earlier 185 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: than maybe it initially thought he would. Um. Calvin Austen 186 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: from Memphis another one of those guys you worry about 187 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: the size. He's under five eighties one seventy pounds, but 188 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: his speed and how quickly My favorite thing about watching 189 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: Calvin Austin is how quickly he turns from a receiver 190 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: into a runner. It's just such a seamless transition for him. 191 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: It really allows him to create after the catch and 192 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: be someone that creates conflict for the defense. Um. So, 193 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: I think there are several of those guys. I mean, 194 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Christian Watson from to Go to State, Uh, the receiver 195 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: who might go first round. Now, I think that's a 196 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: little high for him. I still think he's pretty raw, 197 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: rough around the edges. But when you're six four pounds 198 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: and you're running the four threes, you're gonna go early. 199 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Teams are gonna bet on those raw traits. So Christian 200 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: Watson might not even be an option for a team uh, 201 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, like the Browns in the mid second. But 202 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know, in October we're probably 203 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: talking about him as a as a fourth round player. 204 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: But he has crushed the pre draft process, and you know, 205 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: when you just focus on the traits, you start to 206 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: be excited about you know, what he's gonna grow into, 207 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: what he could be pass rusher. You know, there's also 208 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: a few of those guys. You know, Josh Pascal from Kentucky. Uh, 209 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: you know, one of my my favorite Day two picks 210 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: this year. He really you know grows on you throughout 211 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: the process. Six three, two seventy pounds. Uh. You know, 212 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: you love the length that he plays with, one of 213 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: the best one defenders in this class. Uh, he does 214 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: have you know, you wish you maybe as a little 215 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: more dynamic as a pass rusher, but he's a guy 216 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: that you could leave on the field on any down 217 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: and you feel comfortable what he's gonna give you. So uh, 218 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: pass rusher, wide receiver. Definitely. A few of those guys 219 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: fit that. Uh. You know, guys that maybe he thought 220 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: going into it, or Day three guys, but maybe outplayed 221 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: that just just a little bit. Dana. In your mock draft, 222 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: you've got a guy like Logan Hall from Houston going 223 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: to the Browns at number forty four, and then a 224 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: couple of spots later, another guy that's been linked to 225 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland a lot is Perry On win Free from Oklahoma. 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: What do you like about those two guys and what 227 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: do you think maybe Hall fits better than than Winfrey 228 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: might here. Yeah, two really good players, and I think 229 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: with Logan Hall he gives you an inside outside versatility. UM. 230 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: He was a three technique primarily at Houston. UM, but 231 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I really like him on the edge, you know, give 232 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: him a little bit of a runway, let him use 233 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: that length, used that quickness. Um, and I think he's 234 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: gonna give blockers a lot of problems. Um. You know, 235 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: you just don't see guys with that size have the 236 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: combination of the motor the quickness. Uh. And he's still 237 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: very young. He's twenty one years old. He'll he'll be 238 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: twenty two here actually in a couple of days. But 239 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: a guy that really could have used the red shirt 240 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: coming out of high school. But Houston needed him on 241 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: the field. So he gets out there. The guys gonna 242 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: help you on special teams. He blocked a couple of kicks. 243 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Uh in college. Um, I I think he's just scratching 244 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the surface of how good Logan Hall is gonna be. 245 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: And it seemed like the Browns that they love versatility 246 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: up front, so you know it, line them up on 247 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: the outside on early downs, kick him inside on passing downs. Uh, 248 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, bring in another another speed guy on the edge, 249 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, we you know, use that Nascar package and 250 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: just try to get after the quarterback. That's what Logan 251 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Hall can give you. So I like that fit quite 252 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: a bit. Now there's a chance Logan Hall could go 253 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: as early as the first round. Um. I I do 254 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: know a lot of teams saying on the Bengals at 255 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: thirty one, that's a strong possibility. But if you were 256 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: still to be there in the mid second, I think 257 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: he'd the Brown to be all over or he'd be 258 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: all over the Brown's radar. Uh. Perry and Winfrey, he's 259 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: another guy that's younger for a senior. He's still twenty 260 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: one years old one term twenty two until August. Um, 261 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to block this guy at the Senior Bowl. 262 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean anybody that was a mobile and watch those practices. 263 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: He was unstoppable, power, quickness over thirty five inch arms. 264 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean he was a problem for for for interior 265 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: blockers trying to slow him down. And did you see 266 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: that on tape? Not always he played more of a 267 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: nose guard in that hybrid three man front that the 268 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: Oklahoma uses. Uh, it's a it's a lot of slanting, 269 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: it's a lot of uh. You know, he didn't really 270 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: get a chance to he didn't have a chance to 271 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: really blossom in a scheme. But when you break down 272 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the traits and you see see the quickness, you see 273 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: the the athleticism that he has, the power. You feel 274 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: like this is a guy that is yet to play 275 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: as best football. So I would be a little surprised 276 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: if they went with a defensive tackle in the second 277 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: as opposed to the edge rusher. But defensive tackle is 278 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: not a deep group this year, and I don't know, 279 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: you're not finding any anyone close to Perry on Winfrey 280 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: in the third fourth round. So from that perspective, I 281 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: think that's why Perry and Winfrey is at least going 282 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: to be part of that conversation, why he could be 283 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: in consideration there in the mid second. Alright, So, edge rusher, 284 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver. In your opinion, what's the third best position 285 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: from a talent standpoint in this draft? Um? You know, 286 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: I think I would do it with tiers. So you know, 287 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: you've got edge rusher at the top tier, and then 288 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe that next tier wide receivers at the top of 289 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: that next tier. Um, but I think you throw in 290 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: linebackers in there, UM, corners in their tackles, in their 291 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: safeties in there. Um, you know, probably those positions. Um. 292 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: But and then the third tier I would go or 293 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, interior offensive lines probably in there as well. UM, 294 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: that next tier tight end um uh who we miss 295 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and running backs are in there next UM and then 296 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: probably the next year five quarterbacks, defensive tackles, So you 297 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: know it's the linebackers really group a deep group this year. 298 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Safety UH, I think the first two rounds we're gonna 299 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: see plenty of UH future starting safeties in the NFL 300 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: go in the first two rounds this year. UM, I 301 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: really like the interior offensive line center is A is 302 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: a really deep group. In the second third rounds, I 303 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: think we're gonna see plenty of future starters come out 304 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: of that group. UM. Corner is will stretch out into 305 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: Day three where you feel like you're getting a good player. 306 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: So I mean really, besides, you know, I don't think 307 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: it's a good quarterback year. I don't think it's a 308 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: great deep at the taffle year. Maybe besides those two positions, 309 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: the other ones, I think that there at least middle 310 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: of the pack, if not above average in terms of 311 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: overall depth. And what can you tell us about the 312 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: tight end position on Day two and Day three because 313 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: it looks like the Browns could use another body at 314 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: a position that they really really really like to use 315 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, and that this is a tight end 316 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: group where we might not see one in the top 317 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: fifty this year, but third round, fourth round, they're they're 318 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: gonna fly off the board that that's gonna be the 319 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: sweet spot to get your tight end. Uh. And I 320 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: think this draft has plenty of tight ends that can 321 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: help your team. Maybe they're not Pro Bowl level players, 322 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: but you know, you get Jeremy Ruckert in the third 323 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: round from Ohio State, who is going to be a 324 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: better pro than college player. Been a little out of sight, 325 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: out of mind with him because he's had the foot 326 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: injury that he suffered at the Senior Bowl and so 327 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, no Columbine for him, no Pro day. Uh. 328 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Same thing with kay Otten from Washington, Uh six five 329 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: to fifty, has not been able to show what he 330 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, you know, first big injury in his 331 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: life happened late in this in the season where had 332 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: a foot injury. No Combine, no Senior Bowl, no Pro day. Um. 333 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, I got like Gilanni Woods, 334 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: who uh at this time last year we're talking about 335 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: him as maybe a late round pick. He transfers from 336 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, goes to Virginia, has a has a pretty 337 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: productive senior year at six seven to fifty. He runs 338 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: in the four six at low force sixes at the 339 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Combine outstanding workouts pro Day, had a nice week at 340 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: the Shrine Game. Gilanni Woods has worked himself into the 341 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: top five tight ends this year, maybe as early as 342 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: the second or third round. So um, third round, fourth round, 343 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: there's going to be a tight end. I think that 344 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: the Browns would be comfortable with someone that they feel 345 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: like they could add to the rotation, is going to 346 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: give them snaps. Um. There's plenty of names this year 347 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: for for a team like the Browns looking for a 348 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: tight end in that third, fourth few in the fifth 349 00:16:52,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: round range al right, first round, Ohio State Wilson, which 350 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: one would you take if they're both on the board. 351 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm a Wilson guy, uh and I love Crystal lovea 352 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not? But Garrett Wilson to me, 353 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: is the best receiver in this draft. And the basic 354 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: difference between the two in my opinion is Wilson is 355 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: much more of a threat after the catch. Crystal Love 356 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: is not really gonna break tackles. He's there's a there's 357 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: the lack of physicality is something with him that you 358 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of worry about the next level. But Garrett Wilson, 359 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: he creates separation before the catch, each creates separation after 360 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the catch. He has a real knack for it. He plays. 361 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: He's not a big guy, but he plays much bigger 362 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: than he looks, uh, you know, being under sub five 363 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: eleven eighty five pounds, but he's a long player. Uh. 364 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: He plays really well through contact and the body control 365 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: is just phenomenal with with Garrett Wilson. So uh to me, 366 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: I think Garrett Wilson is that should be the top 367 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: receiver draft of this year. But I can understand the 368 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: thing with Crystal Love two is you know he's he's uh, 369 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: you know what you're getting with him. You know, he's 370 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: pro dy. Uh, you know, he's the senior of the group. 371 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: He's done in a long time. His routes are NFL 372 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: on an NFL level already. You know, he he's wrapped 373 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: up in clear wrapping paper. You know, there's no surprise 374 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: when you open him up. Uh. So NFL team that 375 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: there and there's value in that with what with where 376 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: some NFL teams are in, you know, and some are 377 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: looking for an NFL ready receiver. They're not you know, 378 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: gonna gamble on the traits or gamble on Uh, some 379 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: of the upside that some of these receivers offer. You 380 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: look at a team like the Packers or some of 381 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: these teams that are ready to win right now with 382 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: their situation on offense, the value of being able to 383 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: step in right away and be an immediate contributor is 384 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: And I think Garrett Wilson will too, but a love 385 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: is just a little bit further along with his routes, 386 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: with his releases. Uh, you just have a better idea 387 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: of what you're getting. And for some teams there is 388 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: certainly value in that. And for someone that invests their 389 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: life in this and and it's so absorbitate, what is 390 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: your reaction to people that say this is either a 391 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: not interesting draft or even a boring draft. How do 392 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: you respond to that? I mean, hall of famers will 393 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: come out of this draft, So let's let's find them. 394 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: I mean every year there's there, you know, Pro bowlers. Uh. 395 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's the future of the NFL and even 396 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: if it's a small way, will be shaped by some 397 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot of these players that come into the league. So, um, 398 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: now I understand where they're coming from. I mean relative 399 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: to other years, we just don't have the star power 400 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson. If he was in last year's draft, probably 401 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: not a top ten pick, and he might be the 402 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: number one overall pick this year. So trust me, I 403 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: get it. Um, But I still think there's plenty of storylines, 404 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: plenty of really talented players. Um. If you're a fan 405 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: of one of the thirty two teams, uh, you need 406 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: to be interested in this draft because this is the 407 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: the future of your team is gonna be shaped, uh 408 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: through this draft, through the first few rounds. And like 409 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: I said, even though the upper class of this prospect 410 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: pool is a little thin, the middle class is stacked, 411 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: and that's gonna stretch you know, the mid first round 412 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: to pick seventy five. You know, there's not an tons 413 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: separating a lot of these guys. And so I think 414 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel good about the guy you're adding your roster, 415 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: the potential starter. Um. So there's there's still plenty to 416 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: be interested in. I know. You know, for me personally, 417 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of these quarterbacks, but I 418 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: can't wait to see where they end up. You know, 419 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: where does that run start, how early do they go? 420 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: What's the situation. Do we see a lot of trade 421 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: action for these quarterbacks. So even though it's, you know, 422 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: the opposite of last year we saw five quarterbacks in 423 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: the top fifteen, I'm still fascinated by just how these 424 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna play out because they're gonna go early. 425 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: They do every year, Why should this year be any different? 426 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: But you know what's the order? Is it picket or 427 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: willis first? Off the boards? Still a lot of storylines 428 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: were following. He is the best in the business when 429 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: it comes to covering the draft. In the draft every year, 430 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler from The Athletic make sure you get his 431 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: draft guy the Beast by subscribing today to The Athletic dB. 432 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: Appreciate the time and we look order to seeing you 433 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: over the next seven at ten days on a number 434 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: of our platforms here as we lead up to the 435 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: draft and including Draft weekend. All the best, my friend, 436 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: get some sleep. I know it's easier, so I've than 437 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: done and we'll talk soon, all right, can't wait? Thanks guys, 438 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: Thanks again to Dane Brugler for his time and expertise. 439 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: The best in the business. Grips and dropping a lot 440 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: of different names and a lot of positions that could 441 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: be in play for the Browns here next weekend. Yeah, 442 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, and don't tell Dane that this draft is born. 443 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, he's he's he's a believer and this year, 444 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: so it's even if it's a meat and potatoes draft, 445 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: he he's he's into it. And I think, like he said, 446 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers, 447 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully the Browns pick a couple of them. But 448 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: I think the intriguing thing for me is we know 449 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: it's there's gonna be wide receivers, defensive lineman, which the 450 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: Browns have added some of those players at that position 451 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: this week, so you're a little more stocked a little 452 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: bit in that department. But still those are probably the 453 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: top positions of interest for Day two and Day three. 454 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: But I'm still intrigued by tight ends. I'm asking everyone 455 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: that comes on this podcast about tight ends. I think 456 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a position you want to look at. 457 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: And there are some exciting guys that have played at 458 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: a pretty high level at the college level, like Trey 459 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: McBride is very similar to Harrison Bryant in terms of 460 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: the production that they've done and then a guy like 461 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Joannie Woods is massive and a great red zone target. 462 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: So a lot to like in that position, and it's 463 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: one I'll have my eyes on with the Browns, whether 464 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: it's late on Day two or early on Day three. Well, 465 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting during the combine and through 466 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: this whole process leading up to the week before here 467 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: the draft. Some people you talk to say, wide receiver, 468 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: you can get all starting wide receiver in the second 469 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: and third round. Others like Dane said, you know there 470 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: is a drop off at some point in this wide 471 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: receiver class and that edge might be a better bet 472 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: in the second, third, or fourth rounds to pick up 473 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: an edge rusher, and this might be the year you 474 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: have to take advantage of it, because I feel like 475 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: we've had so many years where you talk about the 476 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: massive drop off in edge rushers at this point in 477 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: the draft. And I think, again, like we've said before, 478 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: anytime you're drafting an edge rusher on the top twenty picks, 479 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: it's a projection of sorts. But it just seems like 480 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: this year there's a lot of guys and I think 481 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: that's a good thing because I think the Browns were 482 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: in a position recently where they could have added to 483 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: that position, but it just didn't work out in the 484 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: draft where there wasn't a lot of talented guys. So 485 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: I think edge edge or wide receiver, I kind of 486 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: I think I kind of lean edge in terms of 487 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: what I think the Browns might do, But it'll all 488 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: depend on kind of time and place. But what wide 489 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: receiver is is going to be addressed at some point 490 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: or it just may not be at that at that 491 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: first pick. Yeah, and a defensive tackle that he felt 492 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: that it wasn't such a great group or a great 493 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: class or a great year. I guess for for defensive tackles. 494 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: So if one of the big defensive tackles is on 495 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: the board, and now we've talked about it, and even 496 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: Dane said it himself, he can't envisioned us taking a 497 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackle with that first pick in the second round, 498 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: But depending on how the board falls, it has to 499 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: be in play. I think, yeah, especially because like you said, 500 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: you may be and this is maybe a strategy that 501 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: can lead to bad things. But it's like you look 502 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: at it and say, well, maybe this guy isn't worth pick, 503 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: but we're there's really nothing beyond that this group. But 504 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: that's a way to get a player that's not of 505 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: the value that you want at forty four. So it 506 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: all depends. There's a few guys like a winfree there, 507 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: like um Travis Jones if he's there at forty four. 508 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: But it's those three positions. I think I'd be shocked 509 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: if it's not a wide receiver, defense tackler, defensive end. 510 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know if I would have 511 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: picked a linebacker in the second round last year either. 512 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have would have envisioned 513 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: j Okay co into the Browns in the second round 514 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: last year. So anything can happen, especially in that second 515 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: round where all of a sudden, there's some guys that 516 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: you thought were first rounders who are all of a 517 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: sudden getting in your range at forty there. Yeah, and 518 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: you mentioned it. Don't tell Dane Brugler that it's an 519 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: uninteresting draft or a boring draft, And I think the 520 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: same would go for the guys upstairs that are making 521 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: these decisions. Uh, these are some pretty valuable picks, especially 522 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: on that day to front and end to day three 523 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: at the beginning, you guys see it can really impact 524 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: this roster and are going to be counted on, I think, 525 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: to make an impact on this roster. Yeah, I mean 526 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: this is a strong roster at most positions, but these 527 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: guys are going to supplement I mean, especially your Day 528 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: two guys, those second and third rounders, those are going 529 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: to be impact players in some capacity. And and and 530 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: you don't and you want those players to contribute. They're 531 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: not going to come in and be handed starting jobs, 532 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: but they're gonna they're gonna play in some way, shape 533 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: or form. Just looking back at the impact of all 534 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: these guys over the past few years, the Browns have 535 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: gotten great players in the second round the last three 536 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: or four years. You want to continue that streak and 537 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: build upon it because I think we all feel really 538 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: good about j Ok and he was picked right in 539 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: that range, uh last year, and Nick Chubb and everyone, 540 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, those are second round players are making big 541 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: impacts in league all over all. Right, this is also 542 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: week one of Organized Team Activities otherwise known as o 543 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: t a S. The players back in the building they 544 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: arrived in a snow globe during the day on Tuesday, 545 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: and back in the building and getting after it and 546 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: right now just workouts and meetings. But that will evolve 547 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: into a lot more in the coming weeks as well. 548 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: We heard from Kevin Stefanski, we heard from Amari Cooper, 549 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: we heard from Jacoby Brissette. We also heard from the 550 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: newest extended brown in Denzel Award signing a new five 551 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: year extension Gribbs and a contract that will keep him 552 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: as a member of the Browns until seven years. A 553 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: guy that you know grew up playing at Nordonia High School, 554 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: went on to the Ohio State University and Cleveland's own 555 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: will continue to be Cleveland's own for the next five years. 556 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: Denzel Award UH deservedly so getting a five year contract 557 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: extension and with him now Deshaun Watson under a long 558 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: term deal. You've got Nick Chubb under a long term deal, 559 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: Betonio Teller, Miles Garrett, UH. And then you brought in 560 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: some great pieces. You know, John Johnson, the third UH 561 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: is making an impact. Greg Newsome is under a rookie 562 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: deal for the next couple of years, and Jin used 563 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: to be that way, Uh, MARII Cooper obviously, and then 564 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: you know what Andrew Barry has done in terms of 565 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: getting extensions for guys, and his track record continues to 566 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: pile up. We can't forget Kareem Hunt and the deal 567 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: that east side. I mean, it's it's a it's all 568 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: about getting the guys on your roster and keeping him there, 569 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: and I think that's that's been a big win for 570 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: this team of over the last few years. You've obviously, 571 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: when you get to this level, you've gotta make some 572 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: hard decisions like the ones that were made on on 573 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry, Austin Hooper, guys like that. But getting these 574 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: getting your talented players and and Denzel Award in particular, 575 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: is a great one. Just like Myles Garrett, Nick Chubb. 576 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: When you're able to draft the guys and then extend them, 577 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: that's how you consistently build a winning product in the NFL. 578 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: And with Denzel, it really is when you factor in 579 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: all the intangible stuff or the off field stuff, and 580 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: then you throw in the on field. It's like as 581 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: as much of a no brainer as you could think 582 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: of in terms of drafting a guy high uh at 583 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: the time, which people were skeptical about using the fourth 584 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: pick on a cornerback, and I think he exceeded expectations. 585 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: He's coming off what I would say is his best 586 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: season of his career so far, He's only twenty four 587 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: years old, will be twenty five during the season this year, 588 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: entering his prime. Uh, and just a player that he's 589 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: got great stats, And I don't think the stats do 590 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: what he does justice because I think he's he does 591 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things out there that you don't get 592 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: traditional stats with. And I think he's got a huge 593 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: future here and and someone who I think is going 594 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: to still be playing at a high level well beyond 595 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: that where that that contract does well. And again, how 596 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: impressive now is that secondary with Johnson with delt but 597 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: you're bringing back Ronnie Harrison at the safety spot. We 598 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: talked about him last week signing his one year deal. 599 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: You have Greg Newsome, you have Ward, you have Troy Hill. Uh, 600 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: You've got some other pieces and parts in that secondary 601 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: as well. And it's a very talented secondary and we'll 602 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: be here for a while. Yeah. And it's it's an 603 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: area of the team that really was a big question 604 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: mark for years and all of a sudden, it's like 605 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: a luxury to look back there and look at this 606 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: draft and be like, the Browns could feasibly go into 607 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: this draft and not take a corner, which is just 608 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: something that doesn't usually ever happen, but it's it's one 609 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: where it could seriously happen. I mean, you could go 610 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: without even an entire defensive back potentially in this draft. Uh. 611 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of resources from a lot of 612 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: different avenues. UH. And and nailing the Newsom pick I 613 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: think is a huge part of this because, Uh, you 614 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: can have some hits and mrs late in the first round. 615 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: And Newsome for sure is looking like a hit so far. 616 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: And we'll only get better as as he plays on 617 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: the same field as Ward. I mean that just makes 618 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: life a little easier for him as well. Yeah, so 619 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: a big week here at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus. 620 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: Denzel A. Ward signing that five year extension through the 621 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: Brown is also making a few other moves guys that 622 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: you may have heard of, maybe you haven't heard of, 623 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: but Isaiah Rochelle defensive end, wide receiver, Javon Wims Uh 624 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: defensive tackle Shelton Day coming back to the football team, 625 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver, Jamacus Bradley, guard Michael Dunne signing their exclusive 626 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: exclusive rights tenders UH, and Stephen Weatherley a defensive vent UH. 627 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: Really rounding out this roster is what this football team 628 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: is trying to do right now and signing some guys 629 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: that are out there on the free agent market. Are 630 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: they that big A level, B level, No, But there 631 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: are guys that could make an impact on your roster 632 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: in the right fit. And I think the Browns are 633 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: hoping they have found a couple fits here. Rochelle and Whims, 634 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: both the defensive end and wide receivers, have made contributions 635 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: in their previous teams wins with the Bears, Rochelle with 636 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers and the Colts. Yeah, and these guys that 637 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: are going to compete for roster spots to think you 638 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: can safely say that for all the players you listed, 639 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna be in the mix for spots when it 640 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: gets down to that, to that final roster cutdown day. 641 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I think you simply needed bodies at defensive end. These 642 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: are two guys that bring experience, and like we said 643 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: last year, the brown said, it's similar things last year 644 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: at this time of year, especially at defensive tackle. You 645 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: added guys like Damien Square who's with the team for 646 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: a little bit. You added guys like Malik mcdoal who 647 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: end up making a big impact throughout the season. Last 648 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: you're you. You add these players who you know. Some 649 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: may make it, some may not, but but it gives 650 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: you a chance and you set them into a competitive 651 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: environment which they guys like Weatherly Rochelle Whims, they've they've 652 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: been a part of it. Day has continued. I would say, 653 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: overachieve or exceed expectations these last couple of years with 654 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: this team and make an impact and kind of force 655 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: his way onto the field the way he did at 656 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: the second half of last season. Yeah, so I would 657 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: expect the Browns to not be done anytime soon, uh, 658 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: with making moves and continuing to bolster the roster from 659 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: top to bottom. We are one week out from the 660 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: NFL Draft thanks to Dane Brugler from The Athletic. 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