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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. What's what's happening? My name is Dope Knife

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Speaker 1: lingle Franca and we are waiting on reparations? Are you

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Speaker 1: waiting on me? Were waiting? Yeah? I was like glancing

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Speaker 1: at un We're gonna get it. We're gonna get It's

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Speaker 1: like super weird. It's like we have like five months

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Speaker 1: on some Simone bile ship. It was just like at

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Speaker 1: the top of our game, invented moves. Ain't nobody ever

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Speaker 1: gotta you just gotta be like yeo, I gotta take

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Speaker 1: a step back. You know. I know I'm the greatest,

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Speaker 1: but this should happen sometimes. Bro, Michael Jordan's took two

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Speaker 1: years off to go chill. Well, he played baseball, but

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Speaker 1: during that time. No, I don't think so he made

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Speaker 1: the year after some like um what's going on with you?

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Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm great, I am thriving. Uh I

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Speaker 1: am uh. I'm not excited about this eviction moratory. I'm expiring.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a little bit more in a bit,

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Speaker 1: but um, from a local perspective, my colleague, my comrade,

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Tim Denson, has been working on eviction protection program

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Speaker 1: that actually protects both renters and landlords. He's working on

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Speaker 1: and now we got you know, like forty I think

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Speaker 1: And it's just like y'all think this isn't a game.

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Speaker 1: You'all think this is a game. This is not a game,

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Speaker 1: live man. So is there is there any chance of

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Speaker 1: with who we're talking to, UM, colleague of mine, a

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Speaker 1: matching what Biden is saying in terms of how some

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Speaker 1: of these voting restriction bills that they're passing in the

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Speaker 1: States is gonna have an effect on the next election.

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Speaker 1: But that ship's coming and with that, I you know

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Speaker 1: that that that's the things that's the thing that makes

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Speaker 1: me have two minds about this whole situation because all

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Speaker 1: this being scared of the filibuster because what if we

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Speaker 1: do this, because then if the Republicans get power, then

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Speaker 1: they're going to do that. Or what if we do

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Speaker 1: X and Republicans get power, then they're going to do that.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do that ship anyway, They're gonna do it,

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Speaker 1: don't matter what, mark my words. The Republicans will they

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Speaker 1: will kill the filibuster the second that they have the

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Speaker 1: chance to, they will. They have power and then y'all

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Speaker 1: and they're going to get it because y'all and did

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Speaker 1: ship the Supreme Court. So stop. But what they're gonna do,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do the worst thing that you are fear.

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Speaker 1: So just chill, Just do what you gotta do to

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Speaker 1: get yours. We gotta play dirty sometimes, but you know,

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00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: as it is, we're gonna have to move through. Yeah,

446
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Speaker 1: this next story kind of quickly so we can not

447
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Speaker 1: have a crazy time. So there's been a lot of

448
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Speaker 1: thoughts on the Olympics and stories emerging the Olympics that

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Speaker 1: have swirled about and piqued the interest of the masses.

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Speaker 1: Everything from you know with happen with some of the

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Speaker 1: files before the Olympics, which are Cary Richardson, I think

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Speaker 1: Raven Saunders. There's like this new controversy about this. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know a score. She's in this fucked up

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00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: but she's badass, wants some ship. Got up on the

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Speaker 1: podium and threw up an X to represent the what

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Speaker 1: was it the place where the was the oppression? We're

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Speaker 1: all oppressed. People's like struggles intersect or something. Real fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: Does the thing where they throw the metal ball, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Don't I sound like a stoner right now? She does

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Speaker 1: the thing where they throw the metal ball. Yeah, I

461
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: feel like you're just quitting out strippers in the club.

462
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: Like she got the thing where she throws the battle bomb.

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Speaker 1: They got the heavy battle ball and then put it

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Speaker 1: to the shot but shot, but shot. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm playing with you well soon.

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Speaker 1: Indition to this, a story that I found interesting this

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Speaker 1: week from the Olympics um was that the US men's

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Speaker 1: fencing team wore pink face masks to protest their own

469
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Speaker 1: teammates UM earlier this week. So he was used of

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Speaker 1: sexual assault for a two thousand, fifteen, two thousand thirteen incidents.

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Speaker 1: And I guess this all came to light immediately after

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Speaker 1: he was announced to the Olympic team, and so this

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Speaker 1: is the rest teammates went. Weren't fucking with it? So

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Speaker 1: UM at their opening match? Yes, sorry, no, he he

475
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Speaker 1: was suspended. Before we get into that, he was suspended UM,

476
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Speaker 1: but I guess it was over. The suspension was overturned,

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Speaker 1: so he was allowed to go back. But due to

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Speaker 1: the protests of his teammates, they were certain sessions that

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Speaker 1: were made. So for example, he's not allowed to stay

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Speaker 1: in Olympic village. He has to stay in a hotel

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Speaker 1: that's nearby. He can't be alone with any female members

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Speaker 1: or team members, and I guess he's like separated just

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Speaker 1: generally from the rest of the team. But he, like

484
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Speaker 1: you know, he denies the allegations and appeals suspension that

485
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Speaker 1: would have kept him with the U S team. Bro,

486
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: why would you put yourself through this? Just go home.

487
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: This is worse embarrassment than if you'd just been like I, yeah,

488
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: I fucked up, MB, And now the whole point that

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Speaker 1: he's like trying that they were trying to make where

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well he earned this Olympic right and

491
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Speaker 1: ship like that was like, now the whole thing is

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Speaker 1: about you and not about the team or you know

493
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what you guys are there to represent,

494
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Speaker 1: So you're sucking it up either way. Ridiculous. But shout

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Speaker 1: out to the US men's fencing team for holding down

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Speaker 1: for for women in a show of solidarity. They ended

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Speaker 1: up coming in ninth place and loss. But why does

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm delivering the news. That's what happened. That's

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Speaker 1: what they get. Well, that's what you get. Nah, But

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Speaker 1: y'all do the right thing right, the right thing, practice

501
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Speaker 1: on the practice on the skills and also whatever. You

502
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: don't even know what shot put is talking about, telling them,

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Speaker 1: telling them, tell them world class fencers to practice all

504
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Speaker 1: their skills all right. Um, for for reference, they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that have the notza pointing swords, A yeah in

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Speaker 1: in when they when they got h competitive rapping in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. My old ask is going to be there

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Speaker 1: and then I can be an Olympian as well, and

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Speaker 1: their judging be elite at what I do wraps all

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Speaker 1: in the mind. It's not a physical thing. It's all

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Speaker 1: in the mind. Tell them all right, all right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a little break when we when we come back,

513
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking with Jasmine from Dark after the jump.

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Speaker 1: So this week I'm very excited a chat with Jasmine,

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Speaker 1: who is a member of Dark stands for defund ap

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Speaker 1: D Atlanta Police Department Refund Communities. It's a campaign run

517
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Speaker 1: by the Democratic Socialists of America chapter in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 1: they are part of a coalition of people who have

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Speaker 1: been fighting to stop Cops City. So we're gonna find

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Speaker 1: out what cops City is, why it sucks, and how

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Speaker 1: they've been organizing to uh to you know, fight you know,

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Speaker 1: to fight back against city council and what is I

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Speaker 1: think pretty unequivvocally into terrible proposal. Horrible First and foremost, Jasmine,

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Speaker 1: how are you today? I'm good, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm fantastic. I'm super excited talking about this.

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Speaker 1: I think it's such a fascinating campaign. UM, but to

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Speaker 1: start out to tell us what cops City is? Yes, So,

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Speaker 1: cops City is a proposal introduced by um Joyce Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: who's a city council person for District twelve, which is

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Speaker 1: in southwest Atlanta. UM. She has proposed that the City

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta give away over three hundred acres of city

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Speaker 1: owned land UM that is currently a forest, to the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Foundation so that they can clear the land

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Speaker 1: and build an eighty million dollar police training facility UM,

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Speaker 1: which would include a shooting range, explosives testing, basically a

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Speaker 1: place for them to practice urban warfare tactics which we

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Speaker 1: know will be used against black people, brown people, and

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Speaker 1: poor people here in the city. UM. It's a direct

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Speaker 1: response to the protests and the uprisings that happened last summer. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so we you know, we see that city council

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Speaker 1: here in Atlanta is more committed to giving more resources

542
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: to the police department, supporting capitalism and anti blackness and

543
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: not really responding to community needs. So this is just

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Speaker 1: one kind of major timely example of their focus on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that out of the uprising

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Speaker 1: last summer, for folks that weren't like directly engaged in it,

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Speaker 1: it seems like the demands were muddled. There's like hall

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Speaker 1: from from like their safe distance and they're like, you know,

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Speaker 1: suburban home or whatever, like it's people think policing should

550
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: be better, but we're not sure how, Like oh, maybe

551
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: we need to attract better officers and like let them

552
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Speaker 1: blow up bombs in a fake city and this and

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Speaker 1: this and like the heart of Atlanta that used to

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Speaker 1: be a forest, um to like make them happy so

555
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: that policing will be better. When I was like, no, man,

556
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: we were like pretty clear about We were like pretty

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00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: clear if y'all have been out in street so those

558
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: y'all want to hurt, Like we were not really playing around.

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00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: And the way that that, you know, gets even the

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00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: ideas like reimagining public safety like get twisted to the

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: to be like what's into whatever you want, whatever justifications

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Speaker 1: you need for expanding the you know, military police, prison

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Speaker 1: industrial stay that we live in. And we're seeing, you know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we're seeing the same thing happen again here. UM.

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Speaker 1: So they're very sorry, go ahead, and I asou to say,

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Speaker 1: they're very good at co opting leftist language. So changing

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Speaker 1: what reimagining public safety should mean, which is abolishing policing

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Speaker 1: as an institution and creating you know, community controlled community

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Speaker 1: lead UM, methods of community safety that center restorative and

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00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: transformative justice, not putting pops on bikes and communities. Um.

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Speaker 1: And we've had this conversation both in the streets and

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Speaker 1: through public comment and in personal conversations with city council

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Speaker 1: people here in Atlanta, and many of them fain understanding

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Speaker 1: over the phone and then get right back into their

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Speaker 1: offices and continue to cause chaos. So I yeah, I'm

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00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: not lending them any ignorance anymore, because we've explained it

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Speaker 1: multiple times and very clear language. They're just politically opposed

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Speaker 1: to the concepts at this point, Yeah, very clearly, and

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Speaker 1: even in opposed to not only the concepts, but like

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Speaker 1: the with the community engagement aspect. That's been very interesting

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Speaker 1: to watch from a distance. So what has um Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess tell us a little bit about what your

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00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: y'all's organizing has looked like, and then we'll get into, um,

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Speaker 1: how the little city council has responded. So what So

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Speaker 1: for dark, what has organizing around this? And I guess

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Speaker 1: the broad there's a broad coalition of people under the

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Speaker 1: Defend the Atlanta Forest Banner doing this work. So for

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Speaker 1: y'all or whatever coalitions you've been working with what has

589
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: organizing UM looks like. Yeah, So for Dark specifically, we

590
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: entered the month of June really focused on UM a

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Speaker 1: not our budget campaign, pushing for city council to divest

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Speaker 1: UM policing and adopt a set of demands that would

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00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, create a pathway towards abolition here in the city.

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00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: And on the same day that city Council actually voted

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Speaker 1: to increase the police budget, once again ignoring demands and

596
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: ignoring what residents have been asking for. UM. That same

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00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: day is when Joyce Shepard introduced that ordinance. So we

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00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: quickly kind of pivoted to figuring out how to organize

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00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: around this new Cops City UM, and we're fortunate to

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00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: find a number of similarly minded organizations here in Atlanta UM.

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Speaker 1: So we are focused primarily on ensuring that Cops City

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Speaker 1: is not built, but also centering demands around land back

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00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: so the Muscogee Creek. They're the original kind of stewards

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Speaker 1: of that land which was stolen from them. UM, reparative

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Speaker 1: justice for the former laborers who were on the prison farm,

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Speaker 1: which is what what used to be located on that land.

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Speaker 1: So essentially black laborers were sold into indangured servitude on

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Speaker 1: at farm and they were forced to labor there. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we want to center restorative justice for the living

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Speaker 1: folks who work that land and their descendants UM and

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00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: also think through in a democratic process on like city council,

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00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: how the land could be used to actually address the

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00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: needs of existing community members, things like affordable housing, grocery stores,

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00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, real kind of public goods UM. And so

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00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: we've been working with Sunrise Movement and they focus a

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Speaker 1: lot on the environmental justice side of things, because again,

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00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: this is a forest UM and we know that their

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00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: implications for when they do these explosives and weapons testing

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00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: that toxins will impact the residence of the surrounding community

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00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: in ways that would lead to long term health damage.

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Speaker 1: We've been working with Community Movement Builders. They are a

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: UM black organization in Pittsburgh really rooted in building liberated

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Speaker 1: and self sustaining Black communities UM. And they are in

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Speaker 1: the district where Joyce Shephard UM apparently is supposed to

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00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: be representing the interests but it's not, yeah, exactly, UM

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Speaker 1: Black Alliance for Peace and um D s A at large.

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Speaker 1: And so we've all been working together to primarily raise

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: awareness about what's going on, and we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of canvasing, and most of the folks we talked to

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00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: are like, we've never we didn't know that this was happening.

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Speaker 1: Even the people who live in the neighborhood surrounding where

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00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: cops city would be never heard of it. UM So

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00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: raising awareness, really putting pressure on city Council to recognize,

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Speaker 1: even if only for their own political interests, that this

635
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: is not what community wants, so they should prepare to

636
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: vote no on it when um it comes up for

637
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: vote on August sixte and then we'll be having a

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00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: series of just community events um So. The first one,

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Speaker 1: we'll be having a town hall UM in about a

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Speaker 1: week and a half to combat the open forum session

641
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: that happened a couple of weeks ago where the Atlanta

642
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Police Foundation essentially brought folks together to give a presentation

643
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: but called it a community meeting, but nobody was allowed

644
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: to speak, nobody was allowed to give actual input. So

645
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: we'll be having our own town hall to show what

646
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: democracy is actually supposed to look like. UM And we'll

647
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: also be having a teaching in a barbecue just to

648
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: bring community together talk about the kind of historic context

649
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: of the land and what it means UM in this

650
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: current moment, as we fight against police brutality and as

651
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: we fight for abolition UM and Yeah, we'll have a

652
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: bunch of series of events essentially just to bring awareness

653
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: to the topic and to yeah, make it plain that

654
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: this is not what we want and that there will

655
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: be repercussions and consequences for those who aren't on our side. Yeah,

656
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the broad covolition that's kind of

657
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: come together to fight you know, UM on their on

658
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: their own turfs, like with Sunrise sort of focus on

659
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: the environmental justice aspect of it UM as well as

660
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: the variety of kinds of events that have been put

661
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: on under this band or to send the Atlanta forests.

662
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's a lot of joy in

663
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: this movement, Like there's a lot of les barbecues, and

664
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: there's like people's hanging out in the forest having a

665
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: good dime and join the forest while it's here. Hopefully

666
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't go anywhere, but UM as a part of

667
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: just raising awareness about what it gives to the city

668
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: and its inherent value and with land back and with

669
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about atonement and restorative justice around UM

670
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: slavery and the relationships with slavery and our modern day

671
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: prison industrial complex. There's just so much packed into this,

672
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: into this fight that's so interesting. Um, there's also there's

673
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: also like a Hollywood component, if it might not mistaken,

674
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Is that still going on and can speak to that,

675
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: because I was very curious that, like, yeah, it could

676
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: just tell us about that part. Yes, So Black Hall

677
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: Studios they are, I guess, a Hollywood studio that was

678
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: planning to build UM a facility in the same Entrenchman

679
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: Creek Park, the same location they've are, you destroyed a

680
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: number of acres of land, but then realized that the

681
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: land that they destroyed was would not be suitable for

682
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: what they wanted to build. So they're also looking now

683
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: to destroy another two hundred acres to build a sound stage. UM.

684
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: And again they moved similarly to city council UM pretending

685
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: that they were having all of these public comment sessions

686
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: but really just kind of bull dozing forward with their

687
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: plans for development. UM. It's yeah, it's there's a lot

688
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: going on. There's a lot of capitalism involved in the

689
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: studio project as well as the UM the actual what

690
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: would be the cop City facility UM, which we know

691
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: is being funded by the Atlanta Police Foundation, which UM

692
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: a private entity that receives a lot of money from

693
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: top companies here in the city of Atlanta and foundations

694
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, and then that actually that I

695
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: think itself has some times to UM. The Atlanta Police

696
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Foundation has sometimes the way that this UM movement against

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00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Cops City as being or or or the discussion around

698
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Cops City is being portrayed in the media. Isn't there

699
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: some sort of link between like the Atlanta Police planoundation

700
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Gurtal Constitution or something like that. So yes,

701
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: I believe that. Um. So the facility is also supported

702
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: by the Atlanta Committee for Progress, which that yeah, the

703
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: cos Enterprises, which owns the a C which has been

704
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: shaping the way. Yeah, so like the biggest newspaper in

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00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: the state of Georgia is also somewhat complicit in shaping

706
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: the narrative around whose you know, whose voices matter in

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00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: the conversation around Cops City. I'm I'm shocked that it's

708
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: not more coverage of of just the work that y'all

709
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: are doing, and it's been focused primarily on the debate

710
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: in city Hall or lack thereof given how loath to

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00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: actually attend and be present, you know, like be like

712
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: conscious and consciously present for pulblic comment. A lot of

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00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: the City council folks seemed to be Yeah a j

714
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: C has a history of blocking activists on Twitter when

715
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: they've been called out about I feel like that should

716
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: be illegal or something that's nuts. Yo, you would think, yeah,

717
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: what what anyway? UM how speaking of you know, the

718
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: folks on City Council, how f at all do you

719
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: see this fight kind of playing into the races for

720
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: mayor and City Council and City Council president that we

721
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: are in the throes of right now. Um, in regards

722
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: to like how people are positioning themselves, the rhetoric people

723
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: are using around crime generally and things like that, so

724
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: that that's a huge component of I think the transition

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: out of Keisha Lance Bottoms and administration and into whatever

726
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: this new one looks like. Everyone's been very critical of,

727
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: um Keisha Lance Bottoms for rising crime here in the city,

728
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: which largely is a lot of myth making. Um In

729
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: the crime that you do see is a direct result

730
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: obviously of exploitation and need um given the context of

731
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: this global pandemic UM where folks receive very little support

732
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: from the government. People are you know, housing insecure, food insecure,

733
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: all of these mechanisms that lead to whatever we consider

734
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: crime to be. UM. And so they're using that as

735
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of talking points for why we need a cop facility,

736
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: why we need more police. We know Joyce Shepherd, the

737
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: council person that introduced this legislation, has a history of

738
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: calling the police on people in her own community. UM.

739
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: So there's very little i think hope on the left

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00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: that the folks that are currently on city council will

741
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: actually um be different or do anything different. Even the

742
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: ones that consider themselves on the left, like Antonio Brown,

743
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: are perpetuating this idea of public safety that includes cops

744
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: on bicycles or police training and want to a tribute

745
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: brutality to bad apples or bad culture of policing UM,

746
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: even though they've been in dialogue with many activists who

747
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: have explained the direct um focus of policing is to

748
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: subjugate black and brown bodies, is to protect capitalism and

749
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: those who benefit from it. UM. So we don't have

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00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: any faith in anyone who is currently on city Council

751
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: to actually respond to what it is that community needs,

752
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: and so we UM are. Part of our campaign is

753
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: to amplify that truth, to let people know what their

754
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: city council members are actually voting on, and how they

755
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: are voting, and how oftentimes their plans don't actually match

756
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: the words that they say UM when they're speaking with community,

757
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: And to offer candidates who are running against those folks

758
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: the opportunity to state, UM, what side they fall on, UM,

759
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: so that we can amplify them if or their platform

760
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: rather UM, if they're you know, on the right side. Yeah,

761
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: a couple of months left. Election season always sucks. So

762
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: we'll see how A guy I saw polling this morning.

763
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: They had Cassim Read in the lead, which just I

764
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: don't get here. It hurt me. I was like, y'all

765
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: playing like, how do we get back here? Yeah, it's

766
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: anything here. Atlanta politics highlights that representation is not liberation.

767
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: Just because you have black people in power does not

768
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: mean that they're fighting for your interests. We have to

769
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: build people power such that these city council institutions become

770
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: irrelevant and aren't able to actually dictate our lives. We

771
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: can't rely on individuals UM to actually speak for our interests,

772
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: because if they're successful, it's likely that they're tied to

773
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: capitalists and moneyed interests and not community right right, right right,

774
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: in order they have to play the game in order

775
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: to even be sitting sitting at that table, which means

776
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: like being beholden to to corporate power, to capital, etcetera. Yeah,

777
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: it's really hard to maintain your integrity and your grounded

778
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: nous even if you come out of social movement, like

779
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: once you enter that space ideals that all the times

780
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: in like the official just like not losing my way

781
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, we got developers being like hey, what's up,

782
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: trying to you know, like etcetera. Um and so, um,

783
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: let's see what happened. We covered a ton of stuff already,

784
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: didn't not take long. Surprised. Um, So let's see. Oh,

785
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: can you speak some to the Buckhead city hood movement

786
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: and how city Council is leveraging the voices of that

787
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: movement to push for cops city. Yes. So again with

788
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: this narrative of crime, crime being such a huge issue

789
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, talking about crime instead of talking about social

790
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: issues like poverty. Um So, Buckhead is a wealthy community

791
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: in North Atlanta. Um, it's home to Atlantic small fis plaza,

792
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: very bougie areas that are just meant to attract people

793
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: who are very wealthy. Um. And so for decades UM

794
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: they've been living in their own enclave of rich whiteness.

795
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: And again due to the deprivation caused by the pandemic

796
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: that has been increased, um social prime. I guess you

797
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: could call it whatever crime means. We you know, capitalism

798
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: defines crime, not actually you know what is bad for society.

799
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: But there's a perception that in Buckhead crime has increased

800
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: and the white people there are upset with it. And

801
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: so as city council does often they acquiesced to the

802
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: demands of what rich people want. And so they are

803
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: in the process of funding this kind of additional policing

804
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: unit safe safety unit in Buckhead um and are again

805
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: using the rhetoric around crime to justify why these additional

806
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: police forces would need a place to train. Um. And

807
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: that's connected directly to cops city. So again just relaying

808
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: the same language that we hear time and time again

809
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: that poor people are causing problems and we need police

810
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: officers who can stop them. Um. And despite the evidence,

811
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: despite all of the conversations that activists have had with

812
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: city council members around this issue, UM acknowledging and presenting

813
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: data that more policing does not actually lower crime. UM

814
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: they refused to listen because they know that the wealthy

815
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: people want something and that's who their constituents are, no

816
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: matter what district they're in. UM. Joyce Shepherd is in

817
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: a primarily black area UM and still feels the need

818
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: to acquiesce to these demands. So and I recall seeing

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00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: UM the Atlanta the official Atlanta City Council Twitter reet.

820
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: I think it was like Fox CBS forty six, Fox

821
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: News somebody. But they were talking about how Atlanta homeowners

822
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: were calling for UM cops City to sort of like

823
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: contrast that like the four hours of public comment they

824
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: had received at the last meeting largely against cops City,

825
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: like didn't count because its people were probably ters or

826
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: interlopers or something like that. But this homeowner and Buckhead

827
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: said that they were this, this person owns property and

828
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: so like they you know, have rights and a voice.

829
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: UM was scared about crime, and like the center the

830
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: centering that UH perspective to sort of like blanket over

831
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: the very loud and broad chorus of people that were

832
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: against against the measure? Right, how how how many renters

833
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: does it take the equal one homeowner? Yeah? Exactly, yeah, yeah.

834
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: And the comment about homeowners being more active citizens than

835
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: renters is just misguided UM and a way to elevate

836
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: property owners UM again tend to be obviously wealthier, UM

837
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: wider UM, and their their desires over what the broad

838
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: vast majority of residents actually want. UM. And we know

839
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: that the city council people they wouldn't know if a

840
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: homeowner or a renter are called because they don't listen

841
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: to our public comment. They don't even do, they've already

842
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: made their minds up. Yeah. And then and I think

843
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: there was an incident where Joyce Shepherd some people went

844
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: to her house, correct because she called the police, well,

845
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean people because she wasn't listening to the public

846
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: comment in the meetings. And then, if I recall correctly

847
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: as well, during the public comment at a subsequent meeting,

848
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: she left to hold a press conference about not being

849
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: scared the protest. Yes? Is that? Is that? Is that correct?

850
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: Is that what happened? She held an entire press conference

851
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: about how she wasn't scared and she was going to

852
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: move forward with her plans, despite the fact that she

853
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: was scared enough apparently to call the police, but when

854
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: peaceful folks showed up to her house to demand what

855
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: it is that they want, which is the whole point

856
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: I thought of being an elected official was to actually

857
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: um elevate the needs of the folks that you're supposed

858
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: to be representing. But city coun so doesn't have the

859
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: same definition of democracy. So I mean, like, just given

860
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: that you know, those these blows, these what must be

861
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: like setback for what feels like being stonewalled? Like what

862
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: how do you all keep moving forward? Like does that

863
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: inform a shift in tactics or strategy? Um? And how

864
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: do and how do you all keep it faith in

865
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: the face of that kind of stonewalling? I think a

866
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: major revelation UM, for I think a lot of organizers

867
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: here in the city is like I said before, city

868
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: council is not They're not changing their minds, right. So

869
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: once you learn that lesson, it's easy to adapt to

870
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: an alternative strategy. Our fight is not going to be

871
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: one through electoral politics, um again, because the people who

872
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: enter that space have already decided that they have different

873
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: priorities than actually upholding what it is that residents want.

874
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: And so our main mission is to build people power

875
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: around these ideas, to build a collective of communities that

876
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: are organized and committed to abolition, getting rid of policing,

877
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: creating community centered institutions for public safety UM that aren't

878
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: centered around violence and retribution UM so that we can

879
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: make these other institutions obsolete. And obviously we are going

880
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: to have to in the meantime try to fight on

881
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the electoral front, because that's currently how decisions are made.

882
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: You know, we need currently a process to close the

883
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta City Detention Center, and that's something that the mayor

884
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: will have control over. So it doesn't mean giving up

885
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: on the electoral fight, but it means that our our

886
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: vision should be broader than the people who currently sit

887
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: on city Council so that we have enough power to

888
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: supersede and ignore the decisions that they make in isolation

889
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: outside of community UM. And then like he like we

890
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: talked about before, we like to have community events like

891
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: this work can be very draining obviously if you're not

892
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: seeing the type of winds that you know your energy

893
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: has um poured into. And so yeah, we have barbecues

894
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: we have community meetings. We really just want to build

895
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: relationships with one another so that we can have enough

896
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: sustained energy to keep moving, because this is not something

897
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna even if we are successful in getting city

898
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: Council to vote no on Cops City, the fight to

899
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: abolish to the Atlanta Police Department is not going to

900
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: be over just because of that. So we're like batting

901
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: down all these things that like are popping up while

902
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: also trying to plan for a longer term vision for

903
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, and so where where is um? Where

904
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: is cops? Where's Cops City at right now? What are

905
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: y'all's planning, What are y'all's next moves looking like with

906
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: regards to yes. So we are we are in turbo

907
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: mode right now because the the vote is on the

908
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: six of August currently scheduled for that. We understand that

909
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: am I get pushed back again because city a lot

910
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: of city council people may not want to be on

911
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: the record either way because of these elections that are

912
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: coming up in November. But we are prepared in the

913
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: event that they decide that they do want to vote

914
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: on it on the sixteenth, So in preparation for that,

915
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: We will be having a people's town hall on August five,

916
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: from six thirty to nine pm at the Neighborhood Church

917
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: in Candler Park, and again that's going to be an

918
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to counter the fake listening session that

919
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Foundation had on the fifteenth. People can

920
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: come out talk about how they feel about pop City

921
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: UM and will also be inviting city council members to attend,

922
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: so if they choose, they can have another opportunity to

923
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: hear what it is that residents actually want. We are

924
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: also encouraging people to call city council members, particularly Westmoreland Eyed,

925
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Andre Dickens, Parokee, and Archibald, people who have

926
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: previously been crib like, how would you describe their? People

927
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: who are movable whatever that means, right, People who are

928
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: not Joy Shepherd, who are actively championing pretty much UM

929
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: want call them, you know, let them know that this

930
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: is not what we want. They like to pretend that

931
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: there are all these other people calling them saying the opposite. UM.

932
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: Somehow those people are never on the record, So we're

933
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: encouraging folks to UM to call them. We also have

934
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: a website, Stop cop City dot org where folks can

935
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: go to sign our petition, just again to put on

936
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: the record how many people are against this. UM. You

937
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: can follow dark a t L on Instagram where you

938
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: can keep up with all of our canvassing events. We

939
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: are canvasing Joy Shepherd's District this weekend, UM, and you'll

940
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: get be able to get more information on the teaching

941
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: that we are planning as well UM for the weekend

942
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: right before the vote this. It's important to know about

943
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: the movement in Atlanta, about lessons that people can take

944
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: away to other places or anything. Yeah, I mean, I

945
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: would say obviously, I think any movement for liberation, for

946
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: socialism in general, abolition should be centering the most impacted UM,

947
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: black people, brown people, poor people. If you're if your

948
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: movement doesn't have anybody who meets that criteria in it,

949
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: you might want to think about forming coalition. UM. This

950
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: fight is going to be long and so UM again,

951
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: it's important to build community with people that you can

952
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: sustain the fight alongside. UM. And we know for Atlanta

953
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: specifically that this fight is far beyond cops City. UM.

954
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: We have an entire kind of cultural and material shift

955
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: that we have to make away from punitive justice away

956
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: from policing, UM for us to actually be safe. UM.

957
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: And we know that folks and community know this when

958
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: we canvass people talk about the fact that the cops

959
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: have never helped them, UM, that they don't feel safe

960
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: around police officers. UM. And so we need to be

961
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: creating alternative systems as we work to um demolish the

962
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: ones that are currently in place. And it's important for

963
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: us and for our own mental health not to believe

964
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: that city Council is going to be the ones to

965
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: help us in that sight, um, but but rather they

966
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: are currently oppositional forces and will be called out and

967
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: treated as such. And so any of them who are

968
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: listening to this who are running for mayor or running

969
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: for reelection, like, please know that we will be actively

970
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: opposing you and making your campaign very unsuccessful if you're

971
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: not on the right side here tell them, put them

972
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: put the fear in their hearts, right and right like

973
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: all these businesses who want to put out ads about

974
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: diversity and inclusion but are behind the scenes funding cops.

975
00:56:47,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: City like, we're coming for you to so just be unnoticed. So, yeah,

976
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: we really appreciated Jasmine in her time, particularly you know

977
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: as an elected official to speak with people that organize

978
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: in a very different realm than I do. Like, I

979
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: do believe that we can accomplish things through policy through

980
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: like tooralism, obviously because I've made it my life's work. Um.

981
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: But what struck me most in our conversation was her

982
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: idea and the idea of many about building power outside

983
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: of the state of just like building strong communities, building

984
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: community networks of care and of safety. That so that

985
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: you don't need the you don't need policymakers to like

986
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: legislate the way your your neighborhood is kept safe or

987
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: is run or resource um And so that was dope,

988
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: doctor is real, dope. What can What do you think

989
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: people can do to help to the cause. So, if

990
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: you're in the Alanta area, uh August seven, this weekend,

991
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be um canvassing um to Stockhop City from

992
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: ten am to one pm, starting at south Side Park Trail.

993
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: They're also calling on people to call the Atlanta City Council.

994
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: It looks like that was yesterday, So maybe not don't

995
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: do maybe don't do that, Maybe don't do that. But

996
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: then they also, yeah, they got another candide see like

997
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: lit them up and follow them. Yeah, yeah, you can

998
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: follow dark A t L on Instagram and Twitter and

999
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: just kind of keep up with what they're doing. And

1000
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, just uh, I think beyond getting involved this

1001
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: cause if you're not local, thinking about the intersection between uh,

1002
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: criminal justice and other forms of justice struggle, like you know,

1003
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: environmental justice, racial justice, the ways. One of the things

1004
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: that I find really intriguing about this campaign it is

1005
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: the way it's brought together such a diverse coalition of

1006
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: people who you got like Sunrise Movement on the one

1007
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: hand that are and all these people that are like

1008
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: I love the forest, save the forest because they like

1009
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: live in Ferngali or whatever, and the people that hate

1010
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: the police, and they're like yeah, like look the police,

1011
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: and like it's a it's a weird uh. It's like, uh,

1012
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I try to think of like a duo,

1013
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: like like a classic duo that that doesn't make sense

1014
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: coming together, the odd couple. It's like the odd couple. Yeah,

1015
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know who that is, but our

1016
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: times Okay, that sounds like it sounds like indeed, I

1017
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: believe that, but yeah, um matching out to them. And

1018
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: then this week we were gonna have maybe a little

1019
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: bit of discussion about hip hop addressing environmental issues, since

1020
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: there is that intersection within the campaign that we're discussing. However,

1021
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: we actually have a whole episode on the topic of

1022
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: like eco hip hop that we can't wait to show you,

1023
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: So we're gonna save some of those gyms for that week,

1024
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. Next week we're gonna be talking about

1025
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: the results of the Ohio election. Oh my god, Nina

1026
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: Turners and that other ladies are head another bitch. So yeah,

1027
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: by the time you hear this, we will know who

1028
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: has won the Ohio eleventh special election for Congress to

1029
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: fill Marcia Fudge his seat, which I'm personally very jazzed about.

1030
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: We'll see who fingers crossed. And then after that, we're

1031
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: going to have that eco rap episode for you, and

1032
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: we'll have a whole episode dedicated to music. What the

1033
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: funk were we're supposed to do? We're supposed to find

1034
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: like a rap about Olympic ship and then also like

1035
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: a rap about black voters being mad at the president,

1036
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: Like I mean, yeah, we can find them, or we

1037
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: could wrap them ourselves exactly correct them. An Tho Joel speaking,

1038
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: can you drop a beat please, Oh dope, yo yo,

1039
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: it's waiting on reparations. I admit we submissfits that one

1040
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: dude really got to skip the Olympics. The baby fucking

1041
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: round out on everybody's shipless find and take it too long.

1042
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: You really need to fix it. Jump the topic to topic.

1043
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: Out of my pocket. You wint holding my jock. You

1044
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: did properly drop it. I'm hot doggy dog and the

1045
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,479
Speaker 1: unknown style like crowd, do flips like Simone Biles. Whow

1046
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: I tried? I could rock while spe knife on the mic.

1047
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: How do you like me now? Laura and Fain the

1048
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: lust of in nature then make up the last gap

1049
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: of three acres, the same ones that came forwards to

1050
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: your gas and taste us. They want to erase it,

1051
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: bulldoze and display it so they can arrect you. Even

1052
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: ranges practice their tactics that fameless poison the soil with lead.

1053
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: Contentment nation that runs through the rivers with children might

1054
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: play yet, but we ain't gonna take it. We organized

1055
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: in formation campus and calling them making the statement to

1056
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: Joyson declared that a mirror andre that the forest is

1057
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: stake were to epsking to stay. I'm dope knife Lingua franca.

1058
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparation. You next week, Winning on

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