1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the Friday Morning podcast. Lessne GM of the Rams. Super 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Sharp Dude gives up first round picks. That's the culture 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: of the Rams. Does Lebron coming to LA have anything 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: to do with it? But first, fake questions, real answers. 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: These are a bunch of questions I want to answer. 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to wait for you to ask them, 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: so I asked them to myself. Dear Colin, if there's 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: one NFL head coach whose job you wouldn't want this year, 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: whose would it be? Well? I don't like being forced 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: into things, so I think he's actually a good coach. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to be Bears head coach Matt Nagge. 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: He has a lot of has twos. He has to win. 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: He really has to play justin fields. The fans will 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: demand it, and he's better than Andy Dalton. He has 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: to overcome and compensate for a GM. I just don't trust. 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: He's had three seasons with two playoff appearances, so if 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: he gets to a playoff, he probably has to win 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: a game. This is a guy that got Mitch Trubisky 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: to the playoffs? Does everybody understand he got Mitch Trubisky 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: to the playoffs? I like him, but I wouldn't want 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: to be him. Dear Colin, you see Calvin Johnson didn't 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: thank the Lions at his Hall of Fame ceremony. Brings 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: up a great question. Which NFL player was most let 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: down by his organization? Barry Sanders Again, I mean, think 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: about Barry Sanders led the NFL and rushing four times 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: in a seven year stretch when it was a running league. 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: The only other player to lead the league in rushing 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: during that span was Emmett Smith, who had four rushing 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: titles an he won three Super Bowls. I mean the 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: way I look at it as an organization, if you 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: can't get your shit together, I don't owe you anything. 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: I have worked overwhelmingly in my career for great companies 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: and excellent bosses, But when I get inducted to the 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: awesome Sports Radio Guy Hall of Fame I'm not mentioning Tampa. 40 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: It was poorly run. I don't resent them, but they're 41 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: not going to get any credit. I'm ghosting Tampa, not Portland, 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: not Vegas, not ESPN, not Fox Sports. I'm ghosting Tampa. 43 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Bad management. Dear Colin, you see that George Carl, former 44 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: NBA coach, is getting blowback because he said Mellow was 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: a ballhog and a poor defender with the Nuggets. Haven't 46 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: you been saying the same thing for decades? Yes, and 47 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: there are just certain truths that people don't want to hear, 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: like parents don't want to hear their kids. Friends are 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: going to have more influence on their kids than they will. 50 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: They did a study back in twenty fifteen that found 51 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: that young teenagers twelve to fourteen will listen to their 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: peers more than their parents. The kids were asked to 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: rate dangerous activities like bungee jumping or biking without a helmet. 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: Then they were told how adults rated those activities and 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: how their peers rated that activity. Then they were asked 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: to rate those activities again, and their scores were swayed 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: more by their peers than their adults. Here's another truth 58 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Mellow's got no self awareness. He's a Hall of Fame 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: guy for one thing, shooting two pointers. Mellow lacked so 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: much willingness to be a good teammate that is one 61 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: of the great mid range forward shooters of all time. 62 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: He wouldn't take an extra step back and make it 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: to three. He wouldn't defend Jeremy Lynn, wouldn't play with them. 64 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: He just didn't get it. He will make the Basketball 65 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for one thing. Shooting two's totally selfish, 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: absolute ballhog, never in great shape. Close your eyes right 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: now and imagine Mellow playing basketball. Odds already shooting along too, 68 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: probably from the right side of the court. It's burned 69 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: into your memory. It's mostly all he did. Jar Colin. 70 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: If you could pick one college team right now and 71 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: move them to another conference, with everybody moving these days, 72 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: who are you picking and where are they going? You 73 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: know I've said this before. I'd take Texas and move 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: them into the PAC twelve, not the SEC. I always 75 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: think fit in life matters all right. Texas feels like 76 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: a PAC twelve school. Texas is in Austin, it's more progressive. 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: The PAC twelve is in cooler cities. Palo Alto, Los Angeles, Seattle, Tempe, Boulder. 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: These are great fun cities. Starksville, honestly, Tuscaloosa, Auburn. I 79 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: just always thought, from the academics to their politics, UCLA 80 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: is not defined by sports. Texas is not defined by sports. 81 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Gotta be honest with you, most of the SEC is 82 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: defined by football. Doesn't feel like Texas to me. Dear Colin, 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: what's the stat in the NFL that people obsess over 84 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: that means absolutely nothing to you? That's an easy one 85 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: total passing yards? First of all, I talked about it 86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: on TV this week. Never in the history of the NFL, 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: or at least the Super Bowl era, has the passing 88 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: yards leader won the Super Bowl last year. Deshaun Watson 89 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: led the league Texans four and twelve. The year before, 90 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Jamis Winston five thousand yards season. Listen, throwing for over 91 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: four thousand yards in the offensive leaning league is not 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: that impressive. Matt shob did it three times, Andy Dalton twice, 93 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins five times, Jamis Winston three times. You have 94 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: to be in competent not to throw for thirty two 95 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: hundred yards. These are just not that impressive. It's like 96 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: a car. I'm no longer impressed that your car can 97 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: go zero to sixty in four or five seconds. We 98 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: have drones that can go zero to sixty and one 99 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: point seven seconds. If a drone can do that, why 100 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: should I be impressed that a car takes basically three 101 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: times longer to do that. The car's got like one 102 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: hundred year head start. It can't be half as fast 103 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: as a drone. So let's bring in less sneed rams. 104 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: GM now for nine years, made the playoffs three of 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: the last four years, with a Super Bowl appearance. He 106 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: was a Falcon's director of player Personnel. Falcon Scout jag 107 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Scout New York Daily News called him football's most interesting. 108 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: GM certainly qualifies as that. So let's start with this. 109 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Are you as aggressive in other areas of your life 110 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: as you are as a GM When you play golf, 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: do you never lay up? Is that your personality or 112 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: is it just work as a football GM? Because your 113 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: scene is very aggressive. Excellent question, So let's take golf. 114 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: I'll answer it this way. Golf, I might be why 115 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: not if I get a chance to play Augusta, why 116 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: not go for the green? And two? I have nothing 117 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: to lose. Maybe you're one shot playing Augusta Right, let's 118 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: take real life. I'm not going to go skydiving. I 119 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: have no interest in bungee jumping off a high bridge 120 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: or what have you. So you know, let's take it investing. 121 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: If I'm not an expert, I'll probably be conservative and 122 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: maybe listen to some advisors and things like that. So 123 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I think that, to sum it up, is is in 124 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: our business. I do think it's a very competitive business. 125 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: If Peter phil once said, you know, competition is for losers. 126 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: You don't want to get in the NFL. So at 127 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: what point do you right have to make an aggressive move, 128 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: take a risk with the bed of maybe gaining an 129 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: edge on the thirty one other competitors in this sleep. 130 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you're on pace to go seven years without 131 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: a first round pick, and I've always had it's sort 132 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: of a Malcolm Gladwell take. But I thought I mentioned 133 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: this about five years ago, is that all these players 134 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: are of high risk. And the feeling is there's always 135 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: about fifteen guys in the first round who are, if 136 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: not can't miss. They're physically different. They're just special players. 137 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: They're receivers that separate, they're chase young, they're Trevor Lawrence. 138 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, unless barring an injury, it's hard to see 139 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: him missing after that. From about the sixteenth or seventeenth 140 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: pick in the first round, you know, to late second 141 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I feel like there's not a huge gap with players. 142 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: It's more about if the system's good and they're and 143 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: they're coachable, they're going to be good players. So my 144 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: theory has always been I would always try to first 145 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: round pick for a Jalen Ramsey or a Jamal Adams. 146 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. Is that kind 147 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: of your theory the Malcolm Gladwell that for the money, 148 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: you're really a better off starting in the second round 149 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and having two seconds over one first and that's where 150 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: the value is very similar to to our philosophy. And 151 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned Chase Young, there's I mean, I don't know 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: if there's fifteen to him, and I don't think you 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: meant that right. So they're easy even a cutoff after 154 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: after Chase Young. But yes, when and it's the formulas 155 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: this if we if we think we're in this phase 156 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: of contending, of having winning seasons, your your your probability 157 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: of picking uh let's call it top ten is low 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: barring any catastrophe, and you can use two first round 159 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: picks to maybe go get a top five pick like 160 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: a Jalen Ramsey, who's who has already lived up to 161 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: top potential. There's now the disc work is out of it, 162 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: the projections out of it, the developments out of it, 163 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: and if that, if that player can help our team, 164 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: we'll probably do it a lot, and we'll try to 165 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: make up for the rest right uh, in the back 166 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: end the draft, whether it's trading back to acquire more 167 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: bicks in the second, third, fourth, fifth round and using 168 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the acquisition mechanisms as creative as possible. 169 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if, like I always think culturally, I've made 170 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: moves in my career based on cultural changes. I'll give 171 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: you two things for you. You're in the NFC West, Well, 172 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: it's just a better division, so everybody else in the 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: division's aggressive. That could change the way you you know, uh, 174 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: I mean, when Peyton Manning was in his division, you 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: better have a pass rusher because you're can be facing 176 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: him for ten years. When Brady's in a division. There's 177 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: a reason Buffalo went out and spent money on Mario Williams. 178 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: You know, the Jets kept you know, drafting defensive linemen. 179 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: So that's that's all. That's kind of a cultural thing. 180 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: Do you think about your division when you're building your 181 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: football team and and moving pieces? I think you think 182 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: about your selves first, and I think there isn't definitely 183 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: need to be aware of what window you're in right 184 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: even before you can chase your division and and be 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: realistic with that window. And a lot of times I've 186 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: break down that window. Are are you? Are you? Are 187 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: you still building? Are you close to breaking through? Uh? 188 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: Or are you contending? So I think you know when 189 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: you're when you're building, maybe you're going to take a 190 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: little more telescopic approach. But if you've proven you broken 191 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: through UH and you think you're contending for that division, 192 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: you can you can scale back and take a little 193 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: bit more of a microscopic approach. And yes, know that, Okay, 194 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Step number one's winning division. That's the that's probably the 195 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: easiest path to right guaranteeing you a spot in the 196 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: tournament and guaranteeing and UH you a home game or two. 197 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: So you definitely want to be aware of them. But 198 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: you build your team based on right your own specific philosophy, 199 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: and definitely when you do go play those difficcause you're 200 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna play that. You're gonna play six games a year 201 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: against those guys that your philosophy better definitely match up 202 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: with that. You know, those three teams. When you made 203 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: the decision, you interviewed Jeff Fisher had been around defensive 204 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: minded coach, and I had theorized I said, when you 205 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: go to Los Angeles, it does matter how you win. 206 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: Every Laker team has been exciting. In Detroit, a physical, 207 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: tough city, automotive industry, you can sell tough guys. Los 208 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: Angeles is movie stars, finesse, our weather is perfect. People 209 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: here like stars, Dodger players. They've always they've had star power. 210 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: USC has always had great quarterbacks. It's not the sec 211 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: just I feel like in Los Angeles when you made 212 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: the move to Sean mcvagh, part of it was we're boring. 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: We've got to get more interesting. Now. That seems very simplistic, 214 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: but do you ever I mean, Sean McVay came out 215 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: of nowhere, he was young. Did you was any part 216 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: of you thinking it'd be nice to throw the ball 217 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: down the field and kind of speed things up. You 218 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: were building a new stadium. There's a lot of money involved, 219 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: You've got an owner who's all over sports and events. 220 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: Did any of that come into play? I think it 221 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: does come into play, but h and that's part of it, 222 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: and you're well aware of your market and the fans 223 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: and what they won't But I do think it's the 224 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: core the fan right is pulling for right, the Los 225 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Angeles Rams more than just a star and winning is important. 226 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: So it would be interesting if if if it was 227 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: one of those teams, the Pittsburgh Steelers, of one of 228 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: those just defensive teams in the ground out let's call 229 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: close wins. Does that take in LA Maybe? I do 230 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: think I think that would take over star players and losing. 231 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: But a bigger picture philosophy is this the rules of 232 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,359 Speaker 1: this game probably because of fans, right, they benefit offenses. 233 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: Fans like scoring if possible. If the best head coach 234 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: available is an offensive minded coach, one thing can happen. 235 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: If you hit on that coach, you build a winning program. 236 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: A lot of times that means you also have a 237 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: trigger poll or a quarterback who can win games. And 238 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: then if you're winning and your coaches defensive mind instead 239 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: of offensive minded, a lot of times what happens is 240 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator then gets the head coaching job, right 241 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: because other teams will come coach your better coaches, and 242 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: now one of your more important players, the quarterback, is 243 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: having to probably learn a different offense, maybe not a 244 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: totally different one, but some derivative of an offense every 245 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: two to three years because maybe your offensive coordinator is 246 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: getting those head jobs. And Matt Ryan, I think about 247 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: my old place we just talked about, Atlanta has gone 248 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: through that right when we drafted Matt Ryan and had 249 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Mike Smith, defensive minded coach like one of his offensive coolmators. 250 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Mike Mullarkey got a head job, Cutter got a head job, 251 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan got a head job. So there's a lot 252 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: of disruption to maybe the side of the ball that 253 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: your bread and butter. That's a really interesting point. I'd 254 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: never thought about it like that. There's a reason FanDuel 255 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: Sports Book as America's number one sports book. 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And then I started looking, and we started 280 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: looking at all your rosters, and the average age of 281 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: your rosters hovers around twenty five other teams twenty seven. 282 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: Do you do Is this a theory? Is it? Is 283 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: it a belief or is it? You know, young players 284 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: generally recover quicker from injuries but less need If you 285 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: go look at your career, your teams are always one 286 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: of the three or four youngest in the league. Why 287 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Know what's awesome about doing the podcast 288 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: is you can now we can be that nuance. Right. 289 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: It's different than television, where I know you might not 290 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: get that deep into the weeds. But yes, it's intentional, 291 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: but the intent the result. The intent is not a 292 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: let's be the young one of the younger teams. The 293 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: result is that you mentioned it right, we have a 294 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: core group of players that we really rely on that 295 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: are veterans that are in the prime of their career. 296 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: But by building it that way, paying those players what 297 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: they deserve, what they've earned, you're definitely gonna have to 298 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: turn it around. Even though we haven't had a first 299 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: round draft pick, like you said, and I don't know 300 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: how many years and may go seven years. Right, since 301 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: Sean has been here, we've had the fifth most draft picks. 302 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: So the philosophy is, Okay, we've got this core group 303 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: of veteran players in their prime. We're gonna really ride 304 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: their coattails. But we're also got to turn around on 305 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the back end draft well and developed well and actually 306 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: have the courage our coaching staff. I think the underrated 307 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: thing is having the courage when you do have let's 308 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: go to perceived veteran team to also fill in with 309 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: younger players that maybe our only lacking experience, and they 310 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: have to get their experience on our clock and not 311 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: someone else's. You know, it's funny. I love the draft. 312 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: We've had conversations. I'm a total, you know, recruiting dork. 313 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: I admit it. There are things every sportscaster loves that 314 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: he can't spend a ton of time talking about on 315 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: television because the ratings won't be good and I got 316 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: to stay on the big stuff right at the headlines. 317 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting. I was talking to a college 318 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: football coach recently and we were talking about left tackles 319 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, you don't have a great 320 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: left tackle. It was a PAC twelve coach, I said, 321 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: but it won't matter until you face Oregon because of 322 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: Kievan Thibadeau. I said, then you're in trouble. But I said, 323 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I looked at your schedule and there's not an NFL 324 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: rush end on your really on your schedule until then. 325 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: You taught has a really good job usually with NFL 326 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: d lineman. When when you look, I see you know, 327 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: I see Andrew Whitworth SEC, Matt Stafford SEC. I do 328 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: you see you know you're Jalen Ramsey's uh Florida State. 329 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: I've said this before. I think if I was a 330 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: GM less, I would struggle not to draft SEC players 331 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: because I know they've played against NFL players. You know, 332 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: Pac twelve, you may face one defensive rush end all 333 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: year that's an NFL guy, you know, Peney Seul I like, 334 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: But god, he's a monster compared to a ninety percent 335 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: of the guy as he faces. I have to go 336 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: back to like Auburn film or something you know, or 337 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. So you tell me, do 338 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: you ever feel like, if it's close, you just go 339 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: with a Southern player in the draft? Well, I think 340 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: is it? I think you hit the nail on the 341 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: head and you explained it, well, right, it might not right, 342 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: just be because he was born in the South, and 343 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: I it's just circling all the way by My oldest 344 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: kid played with Cavan and Thibodeau at Oaks Christian High 345 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: School out here in California. So I got to see 346 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: that kid, probably a sophomore, junior, and senior, and I 347 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: know he was I know ed Orgeron right, who's got 348 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: some LA ties is down in Louisiana. Now was really 349 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: really you know, recruiting cable and talk. So point being 350 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: and you mentioned it is if it's a tie and 351 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: you need something to break it, there is a good 352 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: chance you're going to see that SEC tackle or what 353 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: have you played more games against more NFL players than 354 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: the Pac twelve tackle? So and what is that? What 355 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: is that just naturally going to lead to is an 356 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna be more sure about that player, right because 357 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: we saw that player do it more times against NFL 358 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: competition than I And I bet everyone that had a 359 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: chance to draft PINSU and we certainly didn't trade and 360 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: are one away, but I bet you if you were 361 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: in that top ten range, and we're projecting that he 362 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: won't fall, May fall. Everyone went back to that album day. 363 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: I can put you that every I can't guarantee it 364 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: hadn't talked to anyone, would I guarantee every evaluator went 365 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: back to that Auburn game. Yeah, I mean that's that's 366 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: the one I wanted to see. Like, I just like, 367 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: let me go to the SEC. How do you deal 368 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: with Auburn's rush end? Another thing I think about when 369 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: you draft, because I've said before, if I wasn't a sportscaster, 370 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: my dream job would be GM in the NFL, Like 371 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: if I would have spent thirty years doing something. But 372 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: I didn't already know the route, right, I didn't play 373 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: the game. So where's a sportscaster? The route was easy, right, 374 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: you're starting a single a baseball team, you go to 375 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: a local market, blah blah blah. So I also think 376 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: about this. There are certain coaches in college that are 377 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: so good that they squeeze every ounce of talent out 378 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: of the player. Nick Saban, so I know the player 379 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: I see is the player I get. There was a 380 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: college coach I won't call him out, but he coached 381 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: in the SEC years ago. He's a great recruiter, wasn't 382 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: known as a great player developer, and so his players 383 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: often went to the NFL and you got another year. 384 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: But Saban and Tom Osborne, the Nebraska coach, I always 385 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: felt like you just got that you had seen the 386 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: top end. With a Saban guy and a tom Osborne guy, 387 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: there's there's You're not going to get Extrajuce. Have you 388 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: ever thought about that in drafting, that this coach is 389 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: a recruiter, not as good a player developer and this 390 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: kid's got more on the tank. Definitely. And before I 391 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: get to that question, another and since we're on a podcast, 392 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: I can do this one thing also on let's call 393 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: it the Southern competition of the SEC. If Cavan Thibodeau, 394 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: as an example, would have gone to LSU, would have 395 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: gone to Alabama, got a gut feeling he would have 396 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: still panned out and been one of the best let's 397 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: call it rushers in buried what it would have done. 398 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: But what would have happened if during that if you 399 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: would have gone to one of those environments, one of 400 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: those situations, there would have been a lot more competition 401 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: from the start. So you do get players who are 402 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: you The NFL is full of competition. So when you 403 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: get one of those players and they earned playing time 404 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: at Alabama at LSU, comes in what have you. You know, 405 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: they also beat out some players that are going to 406 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: probably play in the NFL as well. And those players 407 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: may have to transfer to actually get enough tape to 408 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: do it. And they do it and if it works out, 409 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: but the competition is easy. But I do think you 410 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: have to look at right coaches, schools, even systems and 411 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: really be nuanced and okay, and to put it simply, right, 412 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: what is you know, mom, dad, God given type traits 413 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: that you're probably not improving and if you do, it's 414 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: it's minutes amounts. But also look at systems and techniques, 415 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: things that actually can be developed, right, and now you 416 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: have to project right, can you development player right? Not 417 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: every player is. That's called a Tiger Woods mentality that says, Okay, 418 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: I will change my golf swing even though I'm one 419 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: of the best to be better, right. So it's you 420 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: have to really it's hard for a player to come 421 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: to our league and go, I'm gonna change technique because 422 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: during that process of changing technique, they're gonna get embarrassed 423 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: on the practice field. A little bit. So you really 424 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: got to dig into that mentality and try to you know, 425 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: the cipher that and that's what probably makes the draft 426 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: fund and a little bit artistic and not just you know, 427 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: black and white. You know, success, no success, things like that. 428 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: You've gone with some big personalities in your career, Marcus 429 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: Peters and Dominic and Sue a keep to leave. You've 430 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: never been shy about that. Marcus Peters was interesting. Chris 431 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Peterson at Washington said it's not working. Andy Reid said 432 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: it's not working. And at some point you guys said, hey, 433 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: we're moving on, but you're not shy about taking guys. 434 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, he's got opinions, and he's going to let 435 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: you know those opinions. What is it? Or you can 436 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: talk about it specifically or vaguely abstractly with Marcus a 437 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: bunch of coaches. Andy Reid, who again has taken big personalities. 438 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: Chris Peterson mcvah er lessnied, you guys decided with Peters, 439 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: you know what, the fit doesn't work. What is when 440 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: you are looking at a personality and it's always receivers 441 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: and corners for some reason, they're out in an island. 442 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: They got they got big personalities. What is the thing 443 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: where you go less, Yeah, that's not gonna work, Like 444 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: it's it's not that that's over a lined that's not 445 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: gonna work. Where where is that space for you on personalities? Well, 446 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: I think I'll first take it by Okay, what is 447 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: it that is going to work? About it? Right? And 448 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: all of those players you mentioned, one thing that they 449 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: had in common, like all of them across the board 450 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: was intelligence and applying that intelligence to football, right, they 451 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: could they could they could learn process to citeer apply 452 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: uh football complexity on the football field. And that's and 453 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: that's what made that that helped make them great. Uh. 454 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: There's an element of a lot of players, right depending 455 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: on when you get them in the career. Hey are 456 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: they Are they in that phase where, you know what, 457 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: only get one shot at this, not a lot of 458 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: years to do it. I need to earn as much 459 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: money as possible. Then there's times when okay, I've got 460 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: I've got that taken care of. Now I actually want 461 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: to win, right, So and then we look at our 462 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: team and go what do we need? Like I always say, 463 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: we can't have everyone that does one of those let's 464 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: call it milk advertisements, you know in sports salitry where 465 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: where you're you're you know, you're gonna drink your whole 466 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: milk and say yes. Or there's a time on the 467 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: football field where there's edge that is needed right there, 468 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: Hey there, we need it. You know, somebody needs to 469 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: ignite this place. Right we we went against an enemy 470 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: and they've backed us up against the wall. Who's going 471 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: to ignite us to get us? You know? Uh, you know, 472 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, get us out of that hole? And then 473 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: and then there's moments when uh, in all of those 474 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: cases and arresting in Marcus's case, right, he in Wade scheme, 475 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: he uh, hellably he fits probably a vision defense in 476 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: Wade scheme at time a lot more man So there 477 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: is sometimes schematic issues that aren't personality. But I do 478 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, when the personality 479 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: or the individual behind the personality, uh somewhat probably becomes 480 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: bigger than the team, not necessarily bigger, but is putting 481 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: himself and everyone should put themselves right. It's it's a business, 482 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: it's it's how you earn money. But I'll use this example. 483 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: If you're a wide receiver, right, yes, you should do 484 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: your best to earn as much money as possible while 485 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: doing that right, you can help a football team, if 486 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: it was us the Rams win games. We can do 487 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: that symbiotically simultaneously. But if for one reason you decide, 488 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll help you in the past game, 489 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: but not necessarily go Ben's ward and help us in 490 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: the run game, maybe at that point you know, is 491 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: the time to move on in terms of just personality 492 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: or or or that intangible Okay, so I got so 493 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I speculated throughout the year, I said, um, I had 494 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: said on the air, I said McVeigh has lost trust 495 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: and golf I just sense it. And um, it was 496 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: a San Francisco game, I think it was up there, 497 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: and I said, this isn't gonna work. Guys, there's there's 498 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: a problem now. And you're an aggressive GM. Shaun's an 499 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: aggressive coach. And this is not a shot at Jared, 500 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: But between Russell Wilson twice a year and Kyle Shanahan 501 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: twice a year, you can't stand pat everything. You guys 502 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: have to be moving. And so at some point, you know, 503 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: you guys decide, you know, the golf fit, we're gonna 504 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: make a move. Do you remember the conversation, the epiphany, 505 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: the moment when you just sat down and said, Okay, 506 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: this kid got to the Super Bowl two years earlier. 507 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: This is gonna make news. We're gonna have to give 508 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: up some picks. Take me to that place for you. 509 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: Less that moment when you just said it's a big swing, 510 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm going for it. Well, I think it was probably 511 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: some time after, but the opportunity presented itself right where 512 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: we had a chance to acquire a quarterback with elite skills, 513 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: and Jared has some elite QB skills, but also a 514 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: quarterback right that has unique experience, and the unique part 515 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: of it would be I hate throwing that worn't around, 516 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: but in Matt's case, take the skill out, take the 517 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: production out right Frome for a lot of touchdowns, of 518 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: all the yards, a lot of comebacks, all of those things. 519 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: The unique part of the experience was, Okay, Matts. Matt's 520 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: been running a pro style offense probably since week football, 521 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: and he did it in high high school, he did 522 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: at a Georgia under Mark Ricky. So it was that 523 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: moment where while there's an opportunity where there's an elite 524 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: QB with this experience that now messages with Sean and 525 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: let's go messages where where we were at in the 526 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: window where a lot of our skill or in their prime, 527 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: a lot of our defenders in their prime. This might 528 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: be an opportunity we can't patch. And the thing and 529 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: now there's a human involved, Jared Galtz a great human being, 530 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: and he might can get to where Matt's at. That's 531 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: just going to take uh time that Matt had and 532 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: he didn't, And it's a it's a it's a very 533 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: very tough decision when you do that. But the thing 534 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: that I can say is because of Jared and because 535 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: of what he did for us and helped us get 536 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: to this point, an Ald someone like Matt to say, 537 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I'd like to be a part of 538 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: the Rings. Right if we didn't have Jared Calton, he 539 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: didn't help us have the success we had. Matt could 540 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: easily said to Detroit because he had options and they 541 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: and Detroit had options, and we all wanted Matt, but hey, 542 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: I would rather go to the Rams because they're more 543 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: ready to win than maybe Team BC or D and 544 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: Jared had a lot to do with them, which is 545 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: I guess ironic and is what makes this business extremely 546 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: tough when you have to make those type phone calls 547 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: and decisions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lane 548 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: Kiffin was able to get one hundred percent vaccination in 549 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: one of the lowest vaccination states, Mississippi. He's a salesman. 550 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: He can sell his offense, he can sell his vision. 551 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: I think Sean McVay similarly is great at selling his vision. 552 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: And you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates 553 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: in the league. And I look at Kiffin and I 554 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: look at Sean and I think, well, of course they're 555 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: really good. Half of football coaching is Hey, I'm going 556 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: to sell you my philosophy. I'm gonna sell you my culture. 557 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: This is my belief system. Are you on board? Lane Kiffin? 558 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: Doing that is really remarkable because Mississippi has struggled getting 559 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: people vaccinated, and in fact, the fact that Alma's football 560 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: is is helping the state's rate. How when in terms 561 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: of you as a GM can bring in operations people 562 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: for the RAMS, can bring in speakers and epidemiologists, But 563 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: it was this one of these did you guys lean 564 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: on Sean to spread it? And how'd you get to 565 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: that hive of vaccination, right, like, what'd you do? It? 566 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: Did take? It was definitely a collaborative effort. Sean's a 567 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: huge part of it. And I give Lane credit because 568 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 1: there might have been I would see this. I know 569 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: for a fact that there's more incentive right for players 570 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL to get the vaccination then there is 571 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: in college football. That helped us a lot, uh and 572 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: for many reasons, but a very collaborative effort. But I 573 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: do think going back to Sean and what he's brilliant 574 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: at is, yes, he people buy into his vision, his philosophy, 575 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: but right whether he was coaching football or anything else, 576 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: what he is at the core is someone who, when 577 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: it gets down to write important decisions, would would prefer 578 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: sitting and sitting down individually with you and authentically communicating, 579 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: authentically having a discussion, and authentically caring about right all 580 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: sides of the viewpoints. And I think that that's what 581 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: our players feel and know and see every day and 582 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: that definitely definitely helps. When Cam Akers got hurt, I 583 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: was like, oh, because your power back is now with 584 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and I thought, all right, don't overreact to it. 585 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: Whatever I think. Whatever you just did, we all did 586 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: that I just was like, oh, because you know, and 587 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: I loved your power back, and I just thought, Okay, 588 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: don't overreact. There are running backs on the market. There 589 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: is talent available on the market. So where you at 590 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: with that? Because a lot of Sean's offense is dictated 591 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: on a not reliant but it's often dictated on some 592 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: on running success. I mean, we know when Todd Gurley, 593 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, pre knee issues, it was a juggernaut. It 594 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: was hard. Kyle Shanahan, by the way. Similarly, you know 595 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: everybody looks at Matt Ryan's MVP year, but it's a 596 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: power running game to a large degree. So what do 597 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: you do now with Cam Akers in the toughest division 598 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: in football, where do you find that running back talent? Now, 599 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: give me the options? What are you looking at? I 600 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: think the reason we probably had the reaction that you 601 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: just demonstrated is realistically, we know that we will not 602 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: replace Cam because Cam had the right the mom, Dad, 603 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: God give an ability to take a let's call it 604 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: then eight yard twelve yard haul and turn it into 605 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: a sixty eight yard run touchdown. So that's probably unrealistic 606 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: to go grab right, No one's those players aren't available 607 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: and if they are, it's at a steep price and 608 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: it's just unrealistic. So I think because of when the 609 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: injury happened, we do have time on our sides throughout 610 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: this preseason to try to figure it out. And the 611 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: old yes, there is an element of next man out 612 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: Darryl Henderson, things like that. I think in this case 613 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be next minute, not just man, and we're 614 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: going to do it a little bit by committee, and 615 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna have to settle right where Okay, if 616 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: we Sean's offense and they do a really really nice 617 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: job based on calls, we really focus on marrying the 618 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: running pass game, there's some space there. But this year, 619 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: without camp, we may have to live with that four 620 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: yard run instead of nine, that eight yard run instead 621 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: of twenty five, or that fourteen yard run instead of 622 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: thirty or longer, and and go from there. And then 623 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: I think we have to really look at our young 624 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: players without experience and go, Okay, this is what we 625 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: can expect from them, and then monitor who's available on 626 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: other teams and maybe the veterans that are out there 627 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: and determine, hey, could they be right expected to right 628 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: add more value? And if so by how much more 629 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: so we're gonna We're gonna let our youth have a 630 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: shot at it first and then use these use this 631 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: preseason in these next three to four weeks to you know, 632 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: try to you know, let's call it solve that puzzle. 633 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: By the way, when you hired McVeigh was very young, 634 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: and now you know, you look at it in hindsight 635 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: and you think, we shall hire Sean mcvayh I mean, 636 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: Brian Flores, Joe Judge, a bunch of young guys. When 637 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin got a head coaching job in the NFL, 638 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: people were, you know, their jaw dropped. He's like a kid. 639 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: But now you know, the sport is more collegiate, it's 640 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: more progressive, it's offensive minded. But there was a little 641 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: risk when you hired McVeagh. People were like, whoa, what 642 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: was the okay? So you you do the interview thing 643 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: and there's probably a moment you call your wife or 644 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: you maybe it'd staying crockey or something you're thinking, I mean, 645 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: you didn't have a lot of time because he was 646 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: going to interview at other places. Like you know, they 647 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: say less that it takes a woman eight minutes to 648 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: figure out if she'll date you, if she's gonna fall 649 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: in love, they need eight minutes. How many minutes was 650 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: Sean McVeagh did you say, all right, I'm into this room, 651 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: this is gonna work for me. How many minutes that 652 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: take in our interview? And in that first interview it 653 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: was myself, Kevin Demo, Tony Pastors as the VP of 654 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: Football Administration probably took somewhere in that sixth state minute 655 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: range and say, okay, he's the guy now from that, 656 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: like Sean's gonna win an interview. That's man, he's got 657 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: an actual gift. But the reason we had gotten you know, 658 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: the reason that probably only took six to eight minutes 659 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: is when you did go back and let's call it study, 660 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: study what he did at Washington with a third round quarterback, 661 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: and you get really nuanced. Hey, his offense, for whatever 662 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: reading reason, created more space than other offenses. Right, there 663 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: were times when his receivers were wide open, they didn't 664 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: have to use their mom that God given ability to 665 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: win on one on one match, and you were able 666 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: to see that consistently. And there's a lot of analytics 667 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: now that can even measure that to an extent. So 668 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: that's one thing. That's one of the reasons why we said, hey, 669 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this this young man is he's doing 670 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: things schematically while that other people are. I mean, that's 671 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: a top five offense and a lot of categories with 672 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: a QB that is a third rounder. So he's doing 673 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: it not necessarily. Hey, we got to go out and 674 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: get a first round QB. And he was a part 675 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: of maybe developing Kirk some you know young so we 676 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: had the young QB. The the other part of it, right, 677 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: I say, a huge part of it. Who's the most 678 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: important people in the building. And we have one of 679 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: the players on our team now to Sean Jackson. But 680 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, we did our research and chatted with these 681 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: players and I always go not just the you know, 682 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, but you know through through different channels. Kay 683 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: De Sean, what do you think about Sean McVay, And 684 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, hire that guy. Immediately, best teacher of 685 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: football I've ever had. Hey, he owns the room. We're 686 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: all a two. Right, it's and they had some good 687 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: players on that team, whether it was him, the DeAngelo Hall, 688 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: some some of those type players that we could do 689 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: our research with and they gave the thumbs up and 690 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: the other part of the story, which is interesting. Right 691 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: at that point in time, let's take myself. It wasn't like, okay, 692 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: it's Colin Calherd gonna Bostock in less sneed, right, I was. 693 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: We hadn't had a winning season under the yet. So 694 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: one of the things we did decide to do, especially 695 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: with Stand, when we brought Sean to Stand, is he's 696 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: a fan of Marshall fault from the Saint Louis s Asium. 697 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: If you know Marshall, Marshall's a brilliant football mine, not 698 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: just a gifted running back, but he loves he loves 699 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: past protection, he loves route combinations, He's nuanced again he 700 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's stuff right in. A television 701 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: viewer wouldn't wouldn't pay attention to her, h uh, you know, 702 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: stay glued to with our Adhd generation. But we were 703 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: able to put Marshall at the table. And when you 704 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: just listen to two brilliant football minds talk football, that 705 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,720 Speaker 1: the picture becomes clear right there, versus just hey asking 706 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: let's call it standard interview questions. So there were many, many, 707 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: many phases to uh Sean's interview. But you know, when 708 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: you gathered all of that and it was right there 709 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: in front of you, and then you meet him, you're 710 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: probably right sixty eight minutes in going yep, he's he's 711 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: what the research says he is. And from that moment, 712 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: like he's a thirty year old. Going back to his 713 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: press conference, I'm like, he could have easily been nervous 714 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: and still been a successful football coach. Right, Right, we 715 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: all look at that opening press conference and you're gonna 716 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna have some we're gonna entertainment business, right, You're 717 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: gonna have some version of how that opening press conference went. 718 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: He could have been really, really nervous, right, and still 719 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: been a successful football coach. But I can remember texting 720 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: my wife go and and she was once in the 721 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: media business, and she was like, wow, never seen one 722 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: nail like that. Like from every moment he took a 723 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: step after being hired, it's like he's exceeded, you know, 724 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: high expectations, which is a tribute to him for sure, 725 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: less sneak, great stuff. We don't want to take any 726 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: more of your time. You got listen. You just keep 727 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: looking at that waiver wire for running backs and some 728 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: big names gonna pop up. There. You never know, right, 729 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: you never know, You never know. But I A it's interesting, Sean, 730 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: and I've talked a lot. There has been a lot 731 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: of let's call it guys names that you really didn't 732 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: know about right playing. Let's call it a Mike Shanahan 733 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Born zone type scheme, derivative zone sites, whether it was 734 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: starting with Terrell Davis, whether it was C. J. Anderson, 735 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: whether it's Peck Mozart up in San Francisco. Now, so 736 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of guys who right had success 737 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: in these schemes that maybe you didn't know before they 738 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: had the success in these schemes. So it's definitely a 739 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: scheme that I benefits running backs, and you know, we're 740 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: going to try to do our best to make sure 741 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: we have the best for five when our roster, even 742 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: though we're probably not replacing Cam Bakers this year. Yeah, 743 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: it made me sick to my stomach. Hey, thanks for 744 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: spending time with us, smart stuff. I appreciate it. Thank you, 745 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: love talking ball. God, I want to be at GM someday. 746 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: Too bad, I'm old he twice about that. I'm not 747 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: right now? 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