1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hi. This is due to the virus. I'm recording from home, 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: so you may notice a difference in audio quality on 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: this episode of News World when we talk about black 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: lives matter. My guest today has made the well being 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: of the black community is lifelong mission. Robert L. Woodson 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Senior founded the Woodson Center in nineteen eighty one to 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: help residents of low income neighborhoods address the problems of 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: the communities. A former civil rights activist, He's headed the 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: National Urban League Development I'm Sorry. He has headed the 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: National Urban League Department of Criminal Justice. Has been a 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Foundation for Public Policy Research. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Referred to by many as godfather of the neighborhood empowerment 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: movement for more than four decades, Woodson has had a 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: special concern for the problems of youth and response to 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: an epidemic of youth violence that has afflicted urban, rural, 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and suburban neighborhoods alike. Please to welcome my guest, a 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 1: good friend, Robert Woodson Senior. I have worked with Bob 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: off and On all the way back into the rigging years. 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: He had an enormous impact on Jack kemper on myself 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: and others. His new book, Lessons from the Least of 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: These The Woodson Principles, will be released on December eighth, 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and will be a very timely addition to 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: where we are now. So let me start, Bob, if 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: I could, and just ask you to spend a minute 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: or two about the journey you've been on, because you've 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: really had a remarkable life, and I don't think it 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: was necessarily predictable in any way. I was a veteran 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: of the civil rights movement now, but I parted company 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: with the movement in the sixties over the issues of 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: force busing for integration. I believe that the opposite of 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: segregation is desegregation, not integration, And I think if you 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: pursue excellence, then that will attract people integration or to 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: be a response to excellence. I had this debate with 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Julia's chamber, who was a NAACP lawyer Harvard graduate before 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the New York Bar Association, arguing in this point. So 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: I asked him halfway through the debate, I said, if 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: we have a situation A where there's all black and 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: there's a presence of educational excellence in situation B where 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: you have is integrated with his diminish excellence, where should 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: we send our children? And so that was one point. 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: But also I realized that we were demonstrating outside of 42 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical company. When they desegregated, they hired nine black 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: PhD chemists and we asked them to join this movement. 44 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: They said they got this because they were qualified. And 45 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: so I left the movement when I realized that many 46 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: of the people who sacrifice for civil rights did not 47 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: benefit from the change. And I saw when voting rights 48 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: came that a lot of black activists came in and 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: became elected to a public office at a time when 50 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the poverty programs were arriving where seventy percent of those 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: twenty two trillion dollars went to people to provide service 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: to the poor low income backs and all four people 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: became a commodity in the sixties where people concentrated on 54 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: solving problems that were fundable, not ones that were solvable. 55 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: And so I parted company and began to work on 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: behalf of low income people of all races. Because doctor 57 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: King said, what good does it do to have the 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: right to eat in a restaurant or your choice, or 59 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: to live in a neighborhood of your choosing if you 60 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: don't have the means to exercise that right. So I 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time helping low income people prepare 62 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: themselves when the doors of opportunity open. That's kind of 63 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: where we are right now. And think that the people 64 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: have used the race issue to divide this country. I'm 65 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: doing everything I can to push back against the forces 66 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: of trying to define America as a criminal enterprise because 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: of the issue slavery. So that's my latest undertaking. Now, 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: I remember you were very active in the Reagan years. 69 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: As you look back on that and that holy experience, 70 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: and then with Kemp when he was a cutuatehood, what 71 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: lessons did you learn during unperiod? What I learned is 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: the principles that operate in our market economy must operate 73 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: in the social economy. And that's only three percent of 74 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: the people in our market economy are entrepreneurs, but they 75 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: generate seventy percent of all the new jobs. And so 76 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: I worked a lot with Jack Kemp demonstrate this with 77 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: public housing. As you know, residents at Coquan and Saint 78 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Louis drove out, the drug dealers started running, changing their 79 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: behavior and as a consequence, they created an island of 80 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: excellence of peace and market. Red housing was built right 81 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: across the street from public housing, and the new residents 82 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: became a part of the Public Housing Community Association. Throughout 83 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: the Regga years, we thought the persistence from all kinds 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: of quarters people who were strongly a support of these 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: contractors who had been literally robbing public housing, the more 86 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: people tear up the house and more than our contract 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: So we were really fighting upstream against corrupt contractors. So 88 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: we were fighting against an industry that profited from the 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: despair of the poor, and so we rebially had to 90 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: fight back. You went from that to creating the Woodson Center. 91 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: Tell us about the Woodson Center. As you know, when 92 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: you were speaker and we were brought together grassroots coops 93 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: suit a value on wealth form. I realize that there 94 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: needs to be a strong presence among policy makers and 95 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: the philanthropic community. So the Watson Center was really established 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: to provide the means of poor people to have a 97 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: voice in policy and practice, and is primarily based in Washington. 98 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: We are headquartered in Washington, DC, and we have provided 99 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: service to two thousand, five hundred grassroots leaders are in 100 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: thirty nine states, and we literally go into these communities. 101 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: Whereas the poverty industry only looks at the seventy percent 102 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: of the families that are raising children that are dysfunctional. 103 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: We go into the thirty people that in these neighborhoods 104 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: who are achieving against the odds to find out from 105 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: them what are the successful strategies that have employed in 106 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: these toxic drug infested neighborhood who raise children successfully, and 107 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: then when apply the lessons from the thirty percent to 108 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: affect change among the seventy percent, and so that has 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: proven to be at a very effective strategies to rebuild 110 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: these communities from the inside out instead of the top down. 111 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Well I noticed that Billy University actually the case study 112 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and said the year efforts on violence free 113 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: zones led to a nine increase in grade point average 114 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: for students eight percent higher graduation rate. It's very encouraging. Also, 115 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: pass a bust of stories in Somerset, New Jersey, has 116 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: a model for how you transform a whole urban neighborhood 117 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: from a drug infested to where there are small businesses 118 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: moving into that community. Public housing looks like middle class housing. 119 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: It all depends new the problem that we have with 120 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: addressing poverty. We assume that if you give people jobs, education, 121 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: and housing and they will improve their life. Well some 122 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: people that is true. There's no single cause of poverty. 123 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: There are three categories. Those that are just broke, but 124 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: their values are intact for them if you give them opportunities. 125 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: Welfare is use as an ambulance service, not a transportation system. 126 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: There are others whose characters intact, but they are perverse incentives. 127 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: If they get a job, they lose health benefits. So 128 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: if you can take out the disincentives, they will be fine. 129 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: But the third group that concerns us, that creates a 130 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: problem are people who poor because of the chances that 131 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: they take in the values that they pursue. And so 132 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: for them they must be redeemed in trance, formed as 133 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: a precondition for them to take advantage of opportunity. And 134 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: so most of our grassroots groups around the country are 135 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: faith centers. They know that in order for a person 136 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: to be able to function, there must be changed in 137 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: their value system. So after a person has been transformed 138 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: and bedinged then from drugs and from violent behavior from 139 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: predatory attitudes, our grass rooths leaders understand that if people 140 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: ought to be reclaimed and redeemed that have opportunities, they 141 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: first must take that step to change themselves. But the 142 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: left doesn't want to hear that. Whenever they talk about support, 143 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: it's all external is if what is lacking is a 144 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: proper governmental transactions, and that's just not true. You can 145 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: actually injure with the helping hand by providing these to 146 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: us as to people have corrupt attitudes or dysfunctional values, 147 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: you really have both an individual salvation model as well 148 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: as a neighborhood salvation model. One or two individuals once 149 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: their character changes, not their characteristic has an advantage because 150 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: then they serve as witnesses to others that a change 151 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: and improvement is possible. When you were helping us think 152 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: through the welfare reformat, which is still I think the 153 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: most successful conservative social act on modern times, which led 154 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: to the largest number of children leading poverty at any 155 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: point in modern American history, when you were helping us 156 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: with that, one of the things that really impressed me 157 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: there was a book called The Tragedy of American Compassion, 158 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: which argued basically that the Johnson Great Society, big bureaucracy 159 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: model exactly violated every principle that successful reformers had known 160 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: in the last one hundred and fifty years. It has 161 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: to involve individual change, It has to involve applying principles 162 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: that work. As your new book will point out, you 163 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: have really worked hard to understand the principles of the 164 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,239 Speaker 1: successful thirty percent, so you can then try to migrate 165 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: them into the seventy percent who currently don't have those principles. 166 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: If you were summarizing them for a minute, when you 167 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: think are the key principles that every policymaker should be 168 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: aware of in approaching this, yes, well, some of the 169 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: principle fort of the first one is when you approach 170 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: a community that's in decline, don't come in just because 171 00:11:55,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: it looks dysponcible. Always look for things another where it's 172 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: just like a venture capitalist comes into a situation, they 173 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: look for an entrepreneur. Don't come in and see what 174 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: appears to be a dysfunctional community, and you come in 175 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: and you parachute in your solutions into that community. And 176 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: so that's one. The second one, so you have to 177 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: look for indigenous solutions. Once you find them, it is 178 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: important to listen and to be guided by them. And 179 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: then when you are applying help, make sure the help 180 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: does not hint there, and you're easier with the helping hand. 181 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: The second point is to be on top, but not 182 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: on top, because the biggest valuer we say today is 183 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: a bugism. The assumption that someone who is untutored is 184 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: unwise and therefore incapable of offering innovative remedies to problems. 185 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: Expands just a little bit. It's a brilliant line that 186 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: you need to be on tap but not on top. 187 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant, but it took me a second 188 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: or two. The law is how really smart, you know? 189 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: I get an example when I was advising Jeff Bush 190 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: when he ran trying to adduced him to a woman 191 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: named Dorothy Perry who was like the mother Teresa public Housing. 192 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: And so Jeff said, well, be my wife. We want 193 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: to take twenty of these kids from home to swim 194 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: and take them to the musing park. I said, don't 195 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: you do that? I said, you go in and partner 196 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: with my dot, so that it is my dot taking 197 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: the kids with your health, because otherwise you're competing with her. 198 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: You were saying to these kids, come to my nice 199 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: house and swim and have a good current, or stay 200 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: here with Dorothy Perry who loves you, rather than set 201 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: it up as an informal competition. Come in and build 202 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: on what she has done. So you are coming in 203 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: to enhance an existing relationships so that its strengthens everything 204 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: you should do to start the strengthen existing relationships and 205 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: resources that were in that community and not inadvertently teach. 206 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: You have a lot of nice people who want to 207 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: start start of schools or take kids out of their 208 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: house with similar camps and all of these things that 209 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: are done by well meeting people. They don't know that 210 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: sometimes they're injuring people with the helping hand. What do 211 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: you find is the biggest resistance to your message? There 212 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: are two groups of people who disturbed me most, and 213 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: that is self flagellating, guilty white people and rich, angry, 214 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: entitled black people with their victims books. That's the biggest. 215 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: And people who are unwilling because of rage to be 216 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: honest with people. And also with Ludhism coming from both 217 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: the left and the right. I think Bill Bennett I 218 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: remember back in those days he said when people on 219 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: the left look at the poor they see as victims, 220 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: and people on the right see a sea of aliens. 221 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm sad. There's a lot to that. Yeah, the ladis 222 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: am new. It's really disbelief that it's just interesting in 223 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: our market economy. It's not true David Birch that m 224 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: T many years ago. They look at the characteristics of 225 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: successful entrepreneurs, they tend to be C students. A students 226 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: come back and teach. C students come back in the 227 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: dell because a lot of smart people sometimes have to 228 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: have all the answers before they act. When they act, 229 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the opportunities called it's all the work you've done and 230 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: the successes you've had in specific places. How do you 231 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: react to Black Lives Matter and demonstrations anger because they 232 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: are exploiting and hustling black people. They are appropriating the 233 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: rich legacy of the civil rights movement and using it 234 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: to bludge in this country, to use it to condemn 235 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: this country. They're flying under the flag of social justice. 236 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: But recent events prove what their real agenda is. The 237 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: very fact that black lives matters that says they're doing 238 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: this with George Floyd and pursued racial justice for blacks. 239 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: In fact, our burning flags and burning Bible, condemning the 240 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: nuclear family as Eurocentric can therefore racists to say that 241 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: the Cross is racist. It was the nuclear family and 242 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Christian faith that have brought Black Americas through slavery up 243 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: until the sixties. That's what has brought us through new 244 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: between nineteen thirty and nineteen forty, with racism was enshrined 245 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: in law and blacks had no political representation. When the 246 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: unemployment rate was forty percent in the black community, we 247 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: had the highest marriagery of any group in society, and 248 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: the elderly people could walk safely in their community without 249 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: fear of being assaulted by their grandchild. This was our 250 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: protection in the storm. It was our Christian faith. It 251 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: was our nuclear families that caused them. Now for Black 252 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Lives Matter to say they are acting on the moral 253 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: authority of social justice to the services movement to say 254 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: that the family and faith are racist, they reveal themselves 255 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: as being an entity to black people, not their champions. 256 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: But they are exploiting that racial justice piece uilifying the police, 257 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: and as a result of the police things uilified, they 258 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: withdrawn from enforcing the laws aggressively. Sort of murder rate 259 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: goes up, and then Black Lives Matter gets paid more 260 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: money by American corporations to continue to profit off a 261 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: problems they've helped create. When you were in June, you 262 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: were very tough about this idea of defunding the police. 263 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: It has been proven over the last ten years that 264 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: I've studied this that the more police are called nullification 265 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: or the Ferguson effect. I'll give you an example. Ten 266 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: years ago in Cincinnati, a young white police officers shot 267 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: a teenager who stopped that he was running and turned 268 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: around if he had a weapon in his hands. So 269 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Al Sharpton and the rest of him organize a boycott 270 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, and as a result, the police said, well, 271 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: if we're going to be accused of racism for enforcing 272 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: the mask, then we won't do that in those communities. 273 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: And so the murder rate went up eight hundred in 274 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: one year. But none of the civil rights leaders are 275 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: political leaders lived in those communities that were suffering increase 276 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: in murders. And so this is a pattern now that 277 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: has occurred throughout the country, and there are even studies 278 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: to support that that the more police are nullified, the 279 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: less say in fourth the laws, the higher the murder rate. 280 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: That's why the murder rate right now Black on black 281 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: murder rate. More Blacks newt were killed in one year 282 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: by other blacks than fifty years by the clan. We 283 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: have a nine eleven every six months, and only about 284 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: a third of the murders ever get arrested. And that's 285 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: because the Black Lives Matter has sawn the seeds of 286 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: distrust of police. So people are not testifying. But we 287 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: have a violence free zone effort going in Washington, DC 288 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: that you'll hear more about. This is one of the 289 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: most dangerous neighborhoods. For the last eighty six days, there 290 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: has not been a violent incident, even in the July 291 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: fourth weekend, and that is because one of our the 292 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: groups decide that they were going to impose discipline within. 293 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: So we are still demonstrating that it's possible. But the 294 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: answer will not be found by funding Black Lives Matter. 295 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: They've got to open a billion dollars new flowing into 296 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter to do what you know, I think 297 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: that's almost a social statement so that they will feel 298 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: good about themselves as opposed to a serious effort to 299 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: help anybody. But let me ask you saying I've been 300 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: very curious about for I guess the last fifteen or 301 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: twenty years. When you have an area like the South 302 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Side of Chicago, which has such a large endemic violence pattern, 303 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: which has schools that don't work, and has neighborhoods with 304 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: out jobs, why has it been so hard to launch 305 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: for reform movement built around safety, jobs and learning. As 306 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: you point out this fascinating with your work. It has 307 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: to grow out of the community and be integral to 308 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the community. But it just strikes me that the failure 309 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: of the system is so enormous. There want to be 310 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: some kind of opportunity for a very different approach to 311 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: taking on an establishment which is clearly failed. Now let 312 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: me tell you there are voices of descent even in Chicago. 313 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: But again Sorrows is pouring in millions of dollars to 314 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: rent a rioter and to left invest in a ground game. 315 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: Do they give all of these people who are running 316 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: for office and all of these loudbout protesters a microphone. 317 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: There needs to be investment in the dissident voices. That's 318 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. We're trying to raise the 319 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: resources so that we can give voice to the insurgents 320 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: in these communities. And there are a lot of insurgents, 321 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: but they don't have a place, a landing spot. That's 322 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: why seventeen seventy six has been the place that they 323 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: down are turning to. We are collecting all of these 324 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: insurgent voices. We're developing a curriculum that will counter sixteen nineteen. 325 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: We're developing a strategy to counter what they're doing. But 326 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: we're not going to do it by setting up a 327 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: debate club with them. What we're offering, as you saw 328 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: on my column, an aspirational and an inspirational examples of resilience, 329 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: and we want to turn a lot of those kind 330 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: of stories into curriculum. We want to have a full 331 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: scale advertising campaign. In other words, we want to take 332 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: the two thousand, five hundred Grass Troops leaders that are 333 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: part of our network over the past thirty eight years 334 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: and resource them so they can begin to speak for 335 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: themselves and they can begin to rise up. There's some 336 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: lessons who look at the two eighteen and the gubernatorial 337 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: race in Florida where the Santis defeated Gillham, the black 338 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: mayor of Tampa. The Santees won by thirty two thousand votes, 339 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: and that's because one hundred thousand low income blacks voted 340 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: for the Republican because of his position on choice and 341 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: voucher's and education. Okay, now, Dilam had Barack Obama and 342 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey come in and campaigned for them. That means 343 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand low income black people voted against Obama 344 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: voted against Oprah. So that means that there is an opportunity, 345 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: but I don't see much made of that. That's a 346 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: major breakthrough, and it can happen all over this country, 347 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: but they takes paying attention to it. There are too 348 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: many conservatives are waiting for the next liberal blow to 349 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: their gut, or they're waiting to surrender, and this country 350 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: is finished. I think that's right. That's why I think 351 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: this year so extraordinarily important and really makes such a 352 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: huge difference. Could you do this just one or two? 353 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Many tease about your new book. My new book is 354 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: called Lesson some release of these and it's out in December. 355 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: But it really does layout specifically, what are the principles 356 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: that should guide our understanding of why this country has 357 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: gotten into tribalism. It gives a history of it that 358 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties there was a liberate attempt to flood the system, 359 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: bankrupt the system by pushing blacks onto welfare system, and 360 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: that's when I talk about the disintegration of the family 361 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: occurred when you separate work from income. But I think 362 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: that it'll be an inspirational book because it talks about 363 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: the process of redemption, how we move from brokenness and 364 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: rebuild from the inside out. I think it's an important 365 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: guide and it talks a lot about faith. It talks 366 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: a lot about principles, and it gives a lot of 367 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: examples of when these principles and faith are applied. The 368 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: powerful and exciting redemption that you'll be about here, examples 369 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: of tr ampth and redemption in the face of oppression 370 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: and disadvantage. Well, I'm encouraging everybody to get a copy 371 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: of the book. I encouraging them to look very seriously 372 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: at the Woodson Center as a place that's doing work 373 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: that really is central to the future of America. So 374 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: thank you for your dedicated, lifetime commitment, and I really 375 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: appreciate your being part of this today. Thank you, and 376 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: now I'll answer your questions. William K from Maryland asked 377 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: when will the politicians that are behind the rioters be 378 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: held accountable? Why aren't the liberal mayors, governors and judges 379 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: held accountable for allowing and ignoring the protest writers. I 380 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: think that's a great question, and I think presently we're 381 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: going to have to adopt some laws that allow them 382 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: to be sued if the liberal city government fails to 383 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: protect its city. There ought to be some right for 384 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: the business that was destroyed or the homelews burned down 385 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: to hold that government accountable. And it is truly appalling, 386 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: not just in Seattle and Portland, which are obvious, but 387 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: in Chicago and Saint Louis and Baltimore in New York. 388 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: How really bad the democratic big city politicians are, and 389 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: how much we have to do what is necessary to 390 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: insist that the Americans have a right to safety, they 391 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: have a right to be protected, and that this is 392 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: really a form of corruption and we should deal with 393 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: it as such. Thank you to my guests, Robert Woodson Sr. 394 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: You can read more about the Woodson Center on our 395 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: show page at newtsworld dot com. 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