1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On Today show, Danny Surak joins me. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon's staff is the main topic. They've been hired 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: and now they've been introduced informally. As the past two days, 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: every new phase plus a handful of holdovers were made 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: it available to the media. Also the latest on DeAndre Hopkins. 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: And before the start of the new league year, which 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: is Wednesday, March fifteenth, there is another new year to discuss. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six forty and it starts now. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two foot Baker, What Heart? What print? 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday, 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Podcasts visit acy Cardinals dot Com Slash Podcasts. He's at 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: the ten half of five, hes in again, So for 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: Harry Magic, WHOA, here's Craig Griolut. So I'd say Danny 15 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: is fresh off the scouting combine, but perhaps the better 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: phrase is she's recovered from the scouting combine. Is that 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: a better descriptive of what happened last week? You make 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: it sound like we went off the wall, crazy which 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: is not true. The works done twenty four seven, we 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: did a lot of wet a partying of the socializing. 21 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: We were very productive our department at the Combine and Indie. 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: We were out there for five days, which not it's 23 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: going to sound like a play. I don't meet it 24 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: that way, Like it feels like a month, like for 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: the days where it feels really monotonous of podium stuff, interviews, whatnot. 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Like the days somehow are long. And I also feel 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: like you can't get a lot in So I'm very 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: glad at apartment. I feel like we got some really 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: good stuff, some of which is already out on easy 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com or official YouTube channel. Others you'll see 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: in the upcoming episode of flight Plan are behind the 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: scenes exclusive docuseries that talks about and shows what's going 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: on at that time within the organization. So the first 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: episode on flight Plan is out about the hiring of coaches. 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: In the second one will be really combined heavy you 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: or I say many. Austin Ford and Jonathan Gannon both 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: met the media fifteen minutes twenty minutes on Tuesday, but 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: you also had a chance to sit down one on 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: one with each of both the general manager and head coach. 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Not to spoil anything here on Cardinals cover two presented 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: by Hunday probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, but those 42 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: have been posted and are available as well. Right, that 43 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: was a lot more of draft philosophy focused of first 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: time general manager, first time head coach, first time working 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: together the two of those at the combine, and how 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: they are blending old with new, how Manti aus and 47 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: for and his staff are utilizing the skill set and 48 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: the knowledge done by the scouting department over the last 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: year and not just coming in and like he's told us, 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, ripping the rug from mount underneath them, but 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: finding a way to put his touch on things while 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: really making the most of what that staff has done. 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: And with Jonathan Gannon talking a lot about how he 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: has made it clear he doesn't want to have a 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: set scheme, So how do you properly express the wants 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: and needs of a player to the front office if 57 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: that's the philosophy you have. So those were some of 58 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the things that I got a chance to talk with 59 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: the two of them in an interview. So that's on 60 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel Easy Cardinals dot Com as well. Yeah, 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good one. By the way, 62 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the rug will be ripped out after the draft. As 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: far as the process and the evaluation, Monti has made 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: that very clear. He hinted about it during his an 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: introductory press conference. Michael Bidwall brought it up in his 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: conversation on the Day Pass podcast. So I'm fastening to know. Yeah, 67 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: you always are excited around this time with the draft 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: and free agency, but what might the process look like 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: a year from now, when you've had a year under 70 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: your belts and the guys that you want and you 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: want to remain an Arizona Cardinal player versus the pieces 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: that you might still need if you are JG and 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: the rest of the coaching staff to operate that scheme 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And we know it's going to 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: be adaptable. That's been the big buzzword when he's asked 76 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: about the offense or defense. I think it'll be interesting 77 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: how much of a look we get of that adaptability 78 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: the types of players they want before the draft. With 79 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: moves that are made in free agency, whether that's current 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals that are pending free agents or veterans around the league, 81 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: I think that could be pretty telling of the type 82 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: of players that they're bringing in and what they're trying 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: to build here. Yeah, actions speak louder than words, and 84 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: what this team does moves wise, or players that get 85 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: linked to the Cardinal in free agency and then who 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: it gets drafted. We all think X player might be 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: the best solution, best player for the Cardinals, but it 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: might not fit with what this coaching staff wants to 89 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: do a specific type of player for what they want 90 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: to do this season and hopefully ten fifteen years from now. Yeah, again, 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: like it's so hard to know now because I'm not 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: even sure that this coaching staff. They probably have a 93 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: good idea, but they're still going through their own evaluation 94 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: process of the players that are on this roster and 95 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: it's hard when you're not able to see them out 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: on the field and you're really just having to rely 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: on tape. Adaptability seemed to be the word, not just 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: with Jonathan Gannon, but with offensive, defensive, and special teams 99 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: assistant coaches that we got a chance to talk with 100 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: this week. So that seems to be the theme of 101 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: not necessarily putting players in a box of where they're 102 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: going to fit, where they're you know, really looking at 103 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: their skill set and I don't think they would. A 104 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: lot of players will become the hybrid in the sense 105 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: of and Isaiah Simmons. But I think maybe being more flexible. 106 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect word, because you want that 107 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: ability in the event something changes, something happens, a player 108 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: goes down. You want that versatility. You always like that 109 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: versatility on the interior of an offensive line, even on 110 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: a defensive line. But on the subjects of what happened 111 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, specifically, we got a chance to meet the 112 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: defensive and special teams staffs, We got the offense on Tuesday. 113 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: We can touch on all three. But you mentioned the 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: word adaptability, and you kind of look at where these 115 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: coaches have come from. Specifically Gannon and Nick rawlis Philadelphia 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: defensively last year and I went back and looked it up. 117 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: They were a four three, meaning they started four defensive 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: linemen in fourteen of the seventeen regular season games. Vance 119 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: Joseph ran a three to four three down lineman. Now, 120 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Gannon was asked about that on Wednesday. Darren Urban or 121 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: car League asked about that. You know what, what do 122 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: you foresee we hear about this blueprint? You have a 123 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: plan that you want to execute and then are you 124 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: able to execute that plan? And Gannon was very specific 125 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: what we're going to do, what's best for our players, 126 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: and then he mentioned it's our defense, it's the players defense. 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of collaboration I think 128 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: in those meeting rooms before these players and coaches get 129 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: on the football field for the first time in OTAs. 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: That seems right on track with what we have heard 131 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: from Gannon, and it was brought up in one of 132 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: his press conferences. We've been we've been lucky. Do I 133 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: feel like we've had a you know, a good amount 134 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: of chances to hear from the new Cardinals head coach 135 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: to where I don't know which one off the top 136 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of my head, but I do remember it was the 137 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: question was phrased originally regarding Kyler Murray and him not 138 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: being able to physically be out there in the off 139 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: season OTA's mini camp, and how you acclimate your franchise 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: quarterback into this new system, making sure he's ready, he 141 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: has chemistry, and Gannon had talked about how they're not 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: just going to push their players on the field, but 143 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: also in the meeting room. So he's going to make 144 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: sure not just Kyler Murray. But every player when they 145 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: step onto the field, they know what they're doing. And 146 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: it's not just regurgitating or memorizing what's being told to 147 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: these players, but calling them up in the meeting rooms 148 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: and having them explain things to make sure they understand 149 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: it and everybody's on the same page, and saying that 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to be easy. The meetings are not 151 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: going to be easy. It's not going to be just 152 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: getting by and you know, something to check off on 153 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: your to do list for the day, but actually making 154 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: the most of those meetings, and so that doesn't surprise 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: me and the you know, wanting to get the most 156 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: of those, so everybody's ready to go when you step 157 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: out onto the field. I believe the word getting us 158 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: was we're going to stress the players that phrase, and 159 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: I do think there's going to be some uncomfortable moments, 160 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: but being uncomfortable doesn't have to be a bad thing. 161 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes you learn more about yourself in those moments in 162 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: which you're figuratively speaking up against the wall and trying 163 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: to figure out what is being asked of you and 164 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: then wondering, can I really do that? Push yourself to 165 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: a limit that maybe you never thought you'd be able 166 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: to reach and get that talents out of you onto 167 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: the football field, Craig Grilu, licensed therapists. Are we still 168 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: talking about football? Yes we are, Yes, we are all 169 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: the time here on Cardinals Cover two. I'd offer no 170 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: other advice whatsoever than what happens on the football field. Okay, 171 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: for legal purposes, that's fine. Good advice either way on 172 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: the football field, off the football field. Being uncomfortable and growing, 173 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: that was my point. Do you need help, Danny? Do 174 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: we need to have a conversation off? But that's okay 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: if you do it is It's true, nothing wrong with 176 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: asking for help or needing a little assistance along the way. 177 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of assistance, Jonathan Gannon staff Offense, Defense and Special Teams. 178 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: Fifteen new faces walking around the hallways here. We got 179 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: a chance to meet each of those fifteen new faces 180 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: over a forty eight hour period. I'm not sure a 181 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: lot of the coaches will remember our names, at least 182 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: I hope they recognize our faces. But all great guys, 183 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: all very young. I mean the oldest is defensive line 184 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: coach Derek Leblane, who's forty eight years old, and told 185 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: me that Nick Rollis called him Grandpa earlier in the 186 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: week and I looked down it was like, is that 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: going to stick? He's like, I certainly hope not. Man. 188 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: You can feel that, you can feel that there is 189 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: a shift in energy around the building. Again not a 190 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: knock to the previous coaching staff, but it just you 191 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: can feel like almost a breath of fresh air, like 192 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: so much energy, and it feels genuine. It doesn't feel 193 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: like the kind of energy of like, oh, I just 194 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: drink an energy drink, like I've got all this energy 195 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: for just right now and then if you come find 196 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: me in a couple hours, like I'm going to be crashing. 197 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: Like this feels like genuine excitement and like the desire 198 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: to be here and to succeed. And I don't know 199 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: if that's a good explanation of like the energy that 200 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: it feels like, but it feels like this is not 201 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: just fake, like oh, I'm just happy to be here 202 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: until the hard work starts. Like it feels just different. 203 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: And there was a lot of honest answers when you 204 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: just went up to whatever position coach it was, and 205 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them have only been here a matter 206 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: of days or this is their first full week in 207 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: the building. They joined the team in Indianapolis. The scouting 208 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: combine was their first official act as an Arizona Cardinal. 209 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: So they're still getting their feet wet and you ask, 210 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, not too much specific about their position room, 211 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of learning and getting to know, 212 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: and nothing's been set. There's been an idea, but there's 213 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: been no all right, this is what we're going to do. 214 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: It's I think this might work, Let's try this. It 215 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: goes back to that Inadaptable, most of these coaches don't 216 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: even have homes yet. Most of them are still their wives, 217 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: their families are coming back and forth because they keep 218 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: having to look at houses. That's how short of a 219 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: time they've been here. But they all seem to be 220 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: on the same page from a philosophy standpoint of what 221 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like this coaching staff is going to stress 222 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: the players of in the front office. Going back to 223 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: Monti asin Fort's introductory press conference of no egos, that 224 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: this is about the team. And that was something when 225 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk with defensive corner Nick 226 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: Rawles about was that I asked him about the strengths 227 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: of this defensive coaching staff because experience in terms of 228 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: years in the NFL might not be high compared to 229 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the league. Some are coming from college 230 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: or elsewhere, or our first time in their respective roles 231 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: out here. And he said that the strength is everybody 232 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: understanding that it's the team first. I can come to 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: you with an idea and if it's not going to work, 234 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. If I come to you 235 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: with an idea and it gets modified, I gotta be 236 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: okay with that. It's not about me and just being 237 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: my idea and my idea is working. And that's something 238 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: that he says that they have already been on the 239 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: same page about. Is what again what we've heard the 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: players are going to be told, which is putting the 241 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: team before yourself, having an open mind, Bill Willing and 242 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: okay with that back and forth. You don't always have 243 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: to agree, but at least if you have a difference 244 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: of opinion on a scheme or a player, you're able 245 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: to say why and have that conversation. And Gannon has 246 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: mentioned those first. It was during the interview with Monte 247 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: Austin Ford about having that, you know, uncomfortable conversation if 248 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: you will, about a certain subject and now going through 249 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: the free agency meetings, having those same discussions on what 250 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: one person might think fits better versus another, and that's 251 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: where you come to a common ground and you get 252 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: that best player on the football field. Yeah, and they 253 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: it seems like they will also really stress the person 254 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: off the field high capacity, high character. That is, if 255 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: we've learned one thing the last few weeks that has 256 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: head coached Jonathan Gannon's life motto at least when it 257 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: comes to coaching his coaching motto, I would say at least. 258 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: So it seems like that's going to be a high 259 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: priority as well. And that was something he's talked about, 260 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: not just with players, but also with the coaches he 261 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: was looking to bring in. You brought up the college 262 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: experience of a lot of these coaches. There are five 263 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: coaches of the new fifteen, so a third of the 264 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: new faces have zero experience in the NFL, and that 265 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: includes both secondary coaches Patrick Tony and Ryan Smith. Now, 266 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: on the surface, this has been a talking point for 267 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: a number of weeks as far as how young and 268 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: inexperienced this staff is. I went back and look twelve 269 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: of the entire literally the entire coaching staff, twelve are 270 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: under forty years old. But it's the lack of NFL experience, 271 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: and when you do something different, people have a tendency 272 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: to already say, well that's not going to work. Well, 273 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: we're not going to know until the season begins. We're 274 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: not going to know for maybe a year or two. 275 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: If you went on Sunday, then it doesn't matter how 276 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: old you are, how much experience or lack thereof. But 277 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: a conversation that I had earlier this week was tight 278 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: Ends coach Ben Steele, who's one of the older coaches. 279 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: He's forty four years old, so I still have him 280 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: by four years. But the experience or the lack thereof 281 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: potentially could be a benefits given where this league is headed. 282 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: The league is getting younger, more athletic, and perhaps those 283 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: coaches that come from college have a better are able 284 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: to better relate to this generation of player as opposed 285 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to back in the day Ron Wolflee two a day's 286 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: full pads Monday through Friday. Things are much different even 287 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: ten years ago, and things are always evolving to maybe 288 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: being younger could be a benefit. Gannon himself said that 289 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: the league is getting younger, so I don't see the 290 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: hiring of these coaches that don't have NFL experience as 291 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: feeling desperate maybe as the last head coach being hired 292 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: and not feeling like you have options. It seems very 293 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: intentional as to why these coaches that only have a 294 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: college in not NFL experience were brought onto this coaching staff. 295 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: Gannon brought up the fact that he wanted to be 296 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: quote ahead of the curve, and perhaps he's seen something 297 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: down the road were more and more NFL teams bring 298 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: in those coaches who have college backgrounds because of the 299 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: offensive schemes that were now see in the league, and 300 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: then networks on defense as well. All Right, how do 301 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: you defend what colleges are doing and if you try 302 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: to utilize that on the pro level? And Gannon brought 303 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: up the fact that how many times, and I've seen 304 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: this for a number of years, how many times in 305 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: the offseason do you see NFL teams invite college coaches 306 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: And there's a good collaboration on both because both pick 307 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: each other's brains. But the NFL coach asking, all right, 308 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: we like what you do, how do we make it 309 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: work here? And then on the flip side, how do 310 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: we offend what you guys do that we're having difficulty 311 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: stopping on Sundays. He didn't even joke that when he 312 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: grew up playing football, your most athletic player on the 313 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: team didn't play quarterback. That's not the case anymore. And 314 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that people might feel this way, 315 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: but I don't think you can make the same comparison 316 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: with these coaches that don't have NFL experience to the 317 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: way things panned out hiring Cliff Kingsbury as your head 318 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: coach with no NFL experience. The difference being your head 319 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: coach has NFL experience his coordinators, most of the coaching 320 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: staff does have experience. Now is that most of other 321 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: teams combined. No, are a lot of these coaches first 322 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: time in their respective roles, Yes, but that doesn't mean 323 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: they don't have the knowledge or the right skill set 324 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: or the right leadership traits to be successful. So not 325 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: necessarily saying that people are putting two and two together, 326 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: I guess of all of these coaches that don't have 327 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: NFL experience and being hesitant of that, like, I don't 328 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: think that means that they can't be the right fit 329 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: here and they can't elevate this team because at the 330 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: end of the day, things were not working out with 331 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: what it was before, and you always try to do 332 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: something or you typically do something different to try to 333 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: get it back on track that wasn't working now. I 334 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: was very open. I wanted my preference was a head 335 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: coach with previous head coaching experience, just because that's what 336 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: you do. You kind of do the one eighty. Jonathan 337 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Gannon doesn't have that, but he's been a coordinator in 338 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: this league. He's been in the league, and yeah, you 339 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: get two first time coordinators on offense and defense, and 340 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: you would have liked, perhaps maybe from the outside, wanted 341 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: that veteran on the coaching staff, whether on offense or defense, 342 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: but you do have it on special teams in Jeff Rogers, 343 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: and Gannon specifically brought up Rogers earlier on Wednesday on 344 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: how much he's leaned on Jeff because of Rogers is 345 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: now going into his twentieth year in the league working 346 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: for I believe he said six different team or five 347 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: different teams, six different head coaches, So he's been around, 348 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: he's seen things, he understands, and you want guys who 349 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: have that experience on game day when things are happening 350 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: live and you have to make those quick decisions. So 351 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: I do like the fact that maybe you don't have 352 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: that guy on offense or defense, but you do have 353 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: it in Jeff Rogers, who he has a special teams 354 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: coordinator but also the assistant head coach, right, and he's 355 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: had that rule before. And the Cardinals have a long 356 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: list of pending free agents, a good amount on special team. 357 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: So having that knowledge is going to be important as 358 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: well when it comes to a decision making process of 359 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: are you going to resign an Airin Brewer or a 360 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: Matt Prador or are you going to start to look elsewhere? 361 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: And I think that Jeff Rogers has done a good 362 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: job with his role over the last couple of years, 363 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: adjusting to adversity and finding a way to make things work. 364 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: Last year was obviously, all in all, it was a 365 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: dumpster fire, That's what it was. Not all just saying 366 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: special teams, I'm saying adversity an injury as a whole 367 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: for the team. But I do think that Rogers has 368 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: done a good job in his role the last couple 369 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: of years, and so that that makes sense to me 370 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: that Gannon would want him here and that Rogers would 371 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: want to stay here. Spencer Whipple is back helping in 372 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: the wide receiver room, helping Drew Terrell, who's the passing 373 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: game coordinator and wide receivers coach, and to date myself 374 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals cover too, presented by Hunday proud partner 375 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals Terrell from the Washington Commanders. But 376 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: he is a local kid, went to Chandler Hamilton High School, Danny. 377 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I covered him in high school and his two state championships. Yes, 378 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: and I did bring it up to him as well. 379 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: I had no shame in bringing it up. But yeah, 380 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: it's good to have the local boy back. But yeah, 381 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: now you're realizing that, Okay, people that you covered in 382 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: high school have gone through high school, gone through college, 383 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: maybe some pro and now started their college or their 384 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: coaching experience. And here he is on the offensive side 385 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: of the ball. Now that's pretty cool. I like that 386 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: being I wonder how he felt when you told him that. 387 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: He smiled, reminisced a little bit about Hamilton and then 388 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: head coach Steve Bellis so the look it was one 389 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: he was a phenomenal athlete, that's a phenomenal football program 390 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: and that's the purest form of football is on the 391 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: high school level, and it's good to see guys succeeding. 392 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: There's been a number of Cardinal players in that locker 393 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: room that have come from Arizona high schools. But now 394 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: to have a coach, it's it was a little interesting. 395 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: Does it make you feel old? Is that what you're saying, Craig? No, 396 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: not as old as Darren, but old enough if you will, 397 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: do we want to bring up age? No? No, okay, 398 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: let's not bring up ages. Just keep it to the 399 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: coaching experience or the lack that are of Yes. Please. 400 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: By the way, before I forget on the scouting combine 401 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: as much of good content that was produced and we've 402 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: seen I did hear that there was one negative reaction 403 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: to your tiny mike, which was phenomenal. By the way, 404 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen a goodasy, Cardinals dot com, all 405 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: the social media platforms, but tiny Mike was not enjoyed 406 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: by one particular person who may or may not be 407 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: here in a few weeks. But he believes that tiny 408 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: Mike is his intellectual property. There is a chance I 409 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: have found my way onto the bad side of wide receiver. 410 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: Antoine Tweezy Wesley, who is known for tweezy tiny mic 411 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: and is phenomenal at it. When I was walking Thursday 412 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: through the weight room to get to the press conference 413 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: to hear from the coaches, Tweezy was working out and 414 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: I hear hey, hey, hey, hey, and I turn around 415 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: and I kind of stopped, like are you talking to me? 416 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: And he was like, we need to talk about tiny mic? 417 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: And I looked at him. I was like, Tweezy, I 418 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: am not trying to replace you. I said, do you 419 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: want to go to Indie for a week and be 420 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: at the combine? And he said no, and I said okay, 421 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: I was just filling in for you. And he goes 422 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: my fans say it wasn't the same, and I said, yeah, 423 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: I don't worry. I saw I saw all those comments 424 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: on Twitter too. Tweezy, don't you worry. But I let 425 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: him know. I assured him that, like I am not 426 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: coming for his tiny mic job. I was just filling in. 427 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: I am aware that he is much better than I am. 428 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: It can stay his assuming he comes back. That's right. 429 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: He is one of the thirty unrestricted free agents, so 430 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: maybe we can work this into his contract if he 431 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: indeed is back for next season. But I didn't realize. 432 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: I didn't realize Tiny Mike his fan, his Tiny mic fans. 433 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, it is a great job. He 434 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: did it great in the locker room with the Lebron 435 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: versus m J following J. J. Watt at the Waste 436 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Management Phoenix Open. So he does a very good job. 437 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I think his interview skills are phenomenal because he has 438 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: a different tack than what you and I would be 439 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: able to get away with. But I thought you did 440 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: a great job. If it's filling in, that's fine, but 441 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: I do think he better watch his back. Thank you, Craig. 442 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate the support. It was good Tiny Mike at 443 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: the scouting combine. Now the question is what's the next 444 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: iteration of tiny Mike. That's a good question. Might depend 445 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: on whether Tweezy's back or not. I should have asked 446 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: him to get the scoop. That's right, break the news 447 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: on Tiny Mike. By the way, speaking the wide Receiver room, 448 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: did you happen to catch DeAndre Hopkins on the Pat 449 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: McAfee show, And did you realize that there are a 450 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: number of people wondering about the future and the status 451 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: of one d hop. I saw clips of it online. 452 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: This has been a discussion for weeks. This is something 453 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: that was brought up to both Jonathan Gannon and Monty 454 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: awesome Fort on the podium at the Combine and Indie 455 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: last week, and it feels like I think it's clear 456 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: we can, you know, assume that they are probably at 457 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: least taking phone calls about trade options for DeAndre Hopkins, 458 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: who no longer has the trade clause in his contract 459 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: because it's been voided after his suspension. But the way 460 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: that awesome Fort and Gannon were answering the questions, someone 461 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: straight up asking Gannon will Hopkins be on the roster 462 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: come the season and him saying I'm not sure. Doesn't 463 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: sound like what you would say if you are planning 464 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: on keeping the player but you are still open to 465 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: hearing trade options. It sounds like this team is very 466 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: open and sounds like they will likely if they get 467 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: the right offer, make a trade. It's just a matter 468 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: of what can you get. The reports are saying that 469 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: the highest would be a second rounder. I don't know 470 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: if that surprises me. I also feel like I wouldn't 471 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: be surprised for a first rounder, but the problem becomes 472 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: hopkins contract and the last two years nothing is fully guaranteed, 473 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: so he's going to want something reworked, and that all 474 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: comes into play. What also was interesting was all we 475 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: know is awesome for it talking about how he has 476 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: met with Hopkins and his team. Well, Hopkins didn't use 477 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: an agent last time, so now it sounds like he 478 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: is using one, so that was interesting as well. Hopkins 479 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: didn't shed any more lights on his future, said, right 480 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: now the Arizona Cardinals is a team and roster, then 481 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm on. So he didn't further fan the flames as 482 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: far as what's going on with Deha But as much 483 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: noise as there's out there, it almost seems to me, 484 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: and this is just to me, that it's almost inevitable 485 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: that d hop gets dealt, whether before the draft, during 486 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: the draft, or after the drafts. And if you can 487 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: perhaps get that first round pick, a late first round 488 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: pick from one of those teams from twenty five to 489 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: thirty two. It's early thirty one because the Dolphins don't 490 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: have a first round draft pick they got there's taken away, 491 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: but a team that feels it's one player away, and 492 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: specifically a number one wide receiver. Yes, d hop is 493 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: getting there up in age as far as being in 494 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: his thirties. But despite the time that he missed the 495 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: six games that he missed because of a suspension in 496 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: the last two games because of an injury, Danny he 497 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: still led the team in receiving just over seven hundred 498 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: receiving yard. Now that says more probably about the Arizona 499 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the struggles offensively, but I do believe d 500 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: hop is still a very capable wide receiver. There's no question. 501 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: If Hopkins is not on this roster, that is a 502 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: massive hole to fill. As if the Cardinals don't already 503 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: have enough right now, there's no size without Hopkins out wide. 504 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: There just isn't Hollywood Brown, Ronda More. Even if you 505 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: bring back Tweezy, you need someone who might not be 506 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: at the same caliber as Hopkins, but is at least 507 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: close when it comes to those contestant balls, because right now, 508 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: without Hopkins, the Cardinals don't have that. So you know, 509 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard because I could understand both sides 510 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: of it of what you could get from a trade 511 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: with Hopkins, and it sounds like that is something he 512 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: wants I remember right after the season and he posted 513 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: something kind of cryptic on social media, essentially like thanking 514 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals and wanting out. But that's a really big hole 515 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: to fill, and the fact that you will not have 516 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: your starting quarterback for however many games to start the season. 517 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: Just the idea of also not having Hopkins, no disrespect 518 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: to the other receivers, it's just it's like, come on, 519 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: it's just going to be another hole to fill and 520 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: they already have so many without saying anything. Again, goes 521 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: back to actions speak louder than words. If Hopkins does 522 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: get dealt, I think it does speak to how long 523 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: perhaps Kyler Murray is going to miss and where this 524 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: team is headed in twenty twenty three with the new GM, 525 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: new head coach and trying to figure out where this 526 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: team goes and how much how long it might take 527 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: to get this team back in the postseason. Yeah, there 528 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: are quick turnarounds year to year, two years for the 529 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles to go from four wins to the super Bowl, 530 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: But it took two seasons, two full seasons. You don't 531 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: bring back DeAndre Hopkins. You're right, you do not have 532 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver currently on the roster. I don't. 533 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't think Hollywood Brown. Right now, he has not 534 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: shown and the Cardinals uniform that he is that number 535 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: one talent. Now perhaps he can be, but right now, 536 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: going into a season without d hop maybe just he 537 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: would be the de facto number one because you'd have 538 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: no other option. But to me, what I've seen, not 539 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: with one of the Baltimore Ravens, but just his one 540 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: season here with the Cardinals, he is not a number 541 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: one wide receiver. No, I think I think that's fair 542 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: to say. It's just it almost feels like, not necessarily that, 543 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: like you're you're starting off the same way last year 544 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: did where you already felt a little defeated with how 545 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: much the team went through. This is obviously different from 546 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: a business side of things, and maybe maybe this is 547 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: the right call. Maybe the Cardinals who are taking phone 548 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: calls with the third overall pick right now, maybe you 549 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: keep it and trading Hopkins is how you get that 550 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: draft capital, and then you find a veteran in free agency, 551 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 1: if it's for one or two years, and you go 552 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: from there. Maybe that's the way around it. You are 553 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: a better team with DeAndre Hopkins than you are without 554 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: no question, and it's just a matter of Yeah, financials 555 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: play a role in this. But when you're the head coach, 556 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: you're the offensive coordinator trying to game plan week to week, 557 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and you're looking and like, Okay, how long is Kyler 558 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: Murray going to be out? And I think that's another 559 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: topic as far as what this team does at the 560 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: quarterback position. You go out and sign a free agent, 561 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: a quote unquote name free agent because Colton McCoy is 562 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: dealing with whatever minor procedure that he dealt or had 563 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Speaks to whoever the 564 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: whoever that quarterback is that they bring in. To me, 565 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: once again, actions speak louder than words. We'll speak to 566 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: me how long Kyler Murray is expected to be out? 567 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: One week, one month, half the season. So if they 568 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: don't bring in another quarterback, well, they bring in another quarterback, 569 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: well one they're going to have to Right where I'm 570 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: just saying, I'm thinking, write you always like the trace 571 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: mcs oil and David Blow. But if you're saying like 572 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: it could be a good sign if they don't bring 573 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: someone to start over Colton McCoy. Correct, Okay, because Colt 574 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: shown you over a three yes, but if it's eight 575 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: to ten, And again, no disrespect to Colt, but I 576 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: just don't think he has that. He's not at that 577 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: point in his career to where he could go ten games. Again, 578 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: once again, I'm not saying Kyler Murray's gonna miss ten games. 579 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: We don't know anything. We do know that he's been 580 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: in the facility every single day. We've seen it in 581 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: the past three days this week, working on getting back healthy. 582 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: But one, you don't want to rush it. Two, this 583 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: is an injury that takes time to heal, and everyone 584 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: heals on their own time, especially with his skill set 585 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: and his ability to be unique because of his legs. Yeah, absolutely, 586 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: there's no reason to rush him in and possibly have 587 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: more long term damage or not feel ready, or Kyler 588 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: Murray not feel like he can trust the staff putting 589 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: him in position to not be successful. I agree. It 590 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: is something to keep an eye on though. As free 591 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: agency begins next week the new league year on March fifteenth, 592 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: What names are brought in, what names are kept. I'm 593 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: in charge, Danny zach Allen is coming back, and after that, 594 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: you know there's that would be my number one, and 595 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: then everyone else can kind of fall in line. But 596 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: I don't think this team is going to be or 597 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: should be major players in free agency. When you talk 598 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: about that big splash as I use air quotes here 599 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: that no one can see. Here's the hard thing is, 600 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: even if you're not a quote unquote big player in 601 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: free agency and you're not making those splash signings, there's 602 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: still a lot of pieces that have to be put 603 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: into place. You have one starting offensive lineman from last 604 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: year who's under contract. Now you have Josh Jones, who 605 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: this is what year for for him. He's entering at 606 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: this point. You have to make him a starter, but 607 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: you have to rebuild an entire offensive line. You talked 608 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: about you got to find some quarterback to bring in. 609 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how likely cornerback buyer Murphy, how likely 610 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: it is he comes back. I would imagine he seems 611 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: like he wants to test the market now, coming off 612 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: the year he did with a back injury and not 613 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: having a lot to show. He might not get it. 614 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: He might get a one year, proved deal, whether that's here, 615 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: whether that's somewhere else. Maybe that's what the place like 616 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: Denver where defensive coronator Vance Joseph is now I'm not 617 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: sure how likely Buyer Murphy comes back, So there's and 618 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: then defensive line again has to be you have to 619 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: find those pieces. So there's just a lot. And then 620 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: I think with ree agency, I think you have to 621 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: bring in a veteran edge rusher. So even if you're 622 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: not making these splash signings, you still have to be active. 623 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of moving parts. We've 624 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: already seen it with the release of Robbie Anderson. I'm 625 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: expecting probably more roster movement before the new league year. 626 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: And by the way you speak of next, well, the 627 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: new league year, there is another new year about to 628 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: happen for one of us on Saturday. So from all 629 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: of us here on Cardinals cover too, Danny as I 630 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: embarrassed the heck out of you is your face gets 631 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: all flush and early. Happy twenty seventh birthday. Oh, I'm 632 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: really at the point in my life where you're having 633 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: to lie about how old I'm turning. I wasn't even 634 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: going to bring that up. I was just gonna let 635 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: that hang and not say how many times you've turned 636 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: twenty seven. Thank you, Craig, I appreciate it. You have 637 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: read the newsletter I didn't realize how many people read 638 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: the newsletter that HR sends out because I've had You're 639 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: the third person in the last day that has come 640 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: up to me at the office making a comment about 641 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: my birthday. So thank you. I appreciate it. Big plans, 642 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: nothing too big, dinner, going out with some friends, that's 643 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: about it. Bringing Tiny Mike with you. Oh gosh, that 644 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: you know what? That would be funny. That's an idea. 645 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say. I can see the wheel spinning, 646 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: I can. I can you know if we get content 647 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: that anyone would want to put out, Definitely not on 648 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: the Cardinals channel. Oh no, your personal social media accounts, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter. 649 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: That's a thought, Craig. I'll look forward to that on 650 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: Saturday night early Sunday morning, perhaps a special edition of 651 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: Danny Serek and Tiny Mike. I'm sure Antoine Wesley would 652 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: appreciate that. I don't know if he would. He doesn't 653 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: seem like he would at the moment. Okay, well, Tiny 654 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: Mike Bird Gang look forward to it coming to coming 655 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: to your social media platform sooner than you think. Yeah, exactly. 656 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on 657 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals. Cover two, presented by Hunday partner 658 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, has always special thanks to our 659 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: executive producer, Jim Almah Danny Serek. I'm Craig, Rayel Lou. 660 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover 661 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: two