1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: If two is good, then three has to be better. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Right. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: It looks like we'll find that out soon enough. Zach 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Erstman joins me. 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: Berg Gang. 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: We're talking safeties, but a Baker, Jalen Thompson, and now 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: Rabbit has hopped in on the action. Plus the starters 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: will play on Saturday, and our observations from the last 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: open practice here at cards Camp. It's Cardinals Cover two, 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Episode nine to eleven, and it starts now. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Hood a Baker? 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Visit Azycardinals 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: dot com slash podcast. 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: He's at the ten half of five. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 4: He's it again some more hurry magic whow Here's Craigcriolo. 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: So did you happen to notice sec As we wrapped 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: up this was the final open practice of cards Camp. 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: There was a nice applause yeah. 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: From the Bird Gang those fans in attendance, and for 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: a minute I thought it was directed at you, while 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: was it not? 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. You were closer to. 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: It than I was, but I'll give the Bird Gang credit. 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: They realized that, and perhaps many of those fans were 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: here for the duration or several times, but they understood 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: that this was the last time they'll see them in 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: this kind of a setting. And yeah, there's preseason games, 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: but the appreciation for the work that they saw during 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: what were eleven practices. There'll be a twelfth on Thursday, 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: but that's closed. But eleven practices and ten of those open. 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: Look, it's it's incredible what this organization is able to 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: do in terms of holding open practices like this, because 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: not many teams around the league have this much access 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: to the players during training camp. Once practice ends, the 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 4: players go straight up to the to the barricades and 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: they start to sign for the fans. But to have 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: the fans actually watch practice and to be there the 42 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: entire time, not every single team does that. A lot 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: of teams will just invite select fans they'll do this, 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: but to open it up to the entire Bird Gang 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 4: is something that's remarkable, and a lot of fans we're 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: out here over the last two weeks. You have to 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: be a serious, committed, passionate member of the Bird Gang 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: to be here at one point fifty on a Wednesday 49 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: afternoon during the work week. But you know, we're we're 50 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 4: very lucky that this fan base, they came out strong 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: throughout training camp and. 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: They were treated to a padded practice on Wednesday, the 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: fifth of Cards camp, which is I believe at least 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: two more than last season, maybe even three more than 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: last season. We'll get into what we saw and actually 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: who was actually here at Cards camp because a national presence, 57 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: NFL Network and Sports Illustrated in attendance. But something that 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: struck me as I was listening to defensive coordinator Nikraala's 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: talk post practice, and it's something we've talked about and 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: have noticed but seen defensively Buddha, Baker, Jalen Thompson and 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: Rabbit on the field at the same time, not two 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: of the three, but all three on the field. And 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: we've seen it a handful of times last season, but 64 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: we have seen it a lot during training camp, and 65 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: it does seem to me it's an indication of where 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: this defense is headed. And if you're gonna play with 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: six dbs, three safeties, three corners, then where do you 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: lose on that three levels of defense? And it's an 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: inside linebacker Mac Wilson Senior, the solo guy, and maybe 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: one less defensive lineman or one less edge rusher. 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: But I do think, and maybe. 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking out of turn here on Wednesday, August sixth, 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see sixtybs more times than not, 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and it might be a staple for this Cardinals defense 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. 76 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: Well, I hope Mac Wilson has his cardio out for him, 77 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: because you're gonna be running from hashmark to hashmark, from 78 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: sideline to sideline on every single ever given play. 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: Look when it comes to the three. 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: Safety, look the sixty p's as you're talking about. It's 81 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 4: one of those things where I don't want to say 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: it's common sense because obviously there's layers to this. But 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: when you know what Garret Williams brings to the table, 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: and you said, all right, we're not letting this guy 85 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: off the field. Like we talked about a few weeks 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: ago or last week about Garay Williams potentially playing one 87 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: hundred percent of the snaps, you had him there solely 88 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: as your nickel cornerback. Then Johnathanganna had that realization to offseason, 89 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: we don't need this guy off the field. Let's punch 90 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: him out to the outside for base packages with Dadrian 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: Taylor Demerson, with Rabbit, he's another player where it's just 92 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: a byproduct of the room being stacked with and Buddha 93 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 4: Baker that he kind of forced their hand to say, Look, 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: I am too athletic, I am too talented to not 95 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: have on the football field. So I think we're gonna 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: be seeing a lot of these three safety packages. And 97 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: we know when Isaiah Simmons was here and there was 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 4: a lot of talk about how they were going to 99 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: include him, it was in three safety packages. So that 100 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: was already installed within this Arizona Cardinals team. Then you 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: bring in Dadrien Taylor Demerson, you bring in a Rabbit 102 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: the next year, and you start to say, Okay, that 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: role that Isaiah Simmons might have had in twenty twenty three, 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 4: that can be and will be Rabbits roll in twenty 105 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: twenty four and twenty twenty five. 106 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Careful when you bring up Isaiah Simmons to certain people, 107 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: like it's a springbacks flashbacks and none of them really good. 108 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: But that's I believe he's with the Green Bay Packers, which. 109 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: We will see the season if. 110 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: He's still there come that week. 111 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: But I think it's the ia that that is true, 112 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: But I think it's just the idea of what you 113 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: want from somebody. Look, if you want to see somebody 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: that's playing the role that Isaiah Simmons could have played, 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: it's Zaven Collins with them, not that they move him 116 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: all over the defense, but with terms of the three 117 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: safety packages that was heavily discussed when Jonathan Gannon and 118 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: Nick Rulis arrived to town. You're starting to see that 119 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: come to fruition with Rabbit Buddha played. 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Talking about last season, Budha played ninety eight percent of 121 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: the defensive snaps, JT eighty seven percent, and Rabbit he 122 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: played every single game, didn't see a ton of defensive snaps, 123 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: did get those two starts when JT was out, But 124 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: it goes to, all, right, who are our best eleven 125 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: and maybe not for every single week, but based on 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: the opponent what they like to do, your best eleven 127 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: and right now, you'd be hard pressed to not put 128 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: Rabbit on the list of your top eleven again, given 129 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: whatever that particular offense that week presents. The challenges he 130 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: just and we talked about it, Rabbit has instincts, especially 131 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: for a young player coming into his second season. He's 132 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: always around the football and he has a great attitude. 133 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: We heard from him, I believe it was in the offseason, 134 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: before training camp, because everyone wants to get more reps, 135 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: everyone wants to play more. Yet you've got Buddha and 136 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: JT ahead of him on the depth chart, and Rabbit 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: fully aware of where he is in the pecking order 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: of things and takes it as all right, I'm going 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 1: to learn from them and then eventually my time will come. 140 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: I just think now it's coming a lot sooner, maybe 141 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: than many people expected, because Buddha's not going anywhere. JT's 142 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. You want them on the field because 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: of their high caliber of play and their football intelligence. 144 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: Well there's this other kid, and he's making it very difficult, 145 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: difficult for us as a front office and the coaching 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: staff say, you know what, we just can't we can't 147 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: figure out a way to get you on the field. 148 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Just shit, wait your turn, No, no, no, he's forcing our hand. 149 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna get him on the football. 150 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: It's one of those things where there might be a 151 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: hierarchy because you have the people that are ahead of you. 152 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: A rabbit doesn't mind that, And I keep using the 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: term forcing their hand, but that's essentially what they're doing. 154 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: I don't think the Cardinals would have any problems playing 155 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: in two safety in regular two safety looks with too 156 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 4: high safety and just having JT and having Buddha Baker 157 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: specifically flying all over the defense. But I think with 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: having Rabbit out there, because he is forcing their hand, 159 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: it can open up the door for Buddha Baker to 160 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: kind of be that chess piece that you get to 161 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: move around absolutely everywhere. It wouldn't surprise me if they 162 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: bring him down a little bit and he's lined up 163 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 4: next to Mac Wilson Senior, because we know he has 164 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: no issues running after the quarterback and being that spy 165 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: and making a big time play at the line of scrimmage. 166 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: But look, when all was said and done, you want 167 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: to care for the development of the player. Having time 168 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 4: out there right now for Rabbit is ultimately gonna help 169 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: him because earlier at practice today when I was watching 170 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: it in the second team, Rabbit was playing the role 171 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: of Buddha Baker, and I know the Cardinals utilized the 172 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: strong safety and free safety look to kind of be 173 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: pretty similar to each other, to mirror one another. So 174 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: regardless if it's Budda Baker's role or Jalen Thompson's role, 175 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: you have that confidence in Rabbit that he can be 176 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: the guy out there. And when he's flying around, and 177 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: granted they are wearing pads, but they are still your teammates, 178 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: So you're not hitting anybody too hard. You're still gonna 179 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 4: have that physicality. But you see the way he flies around. 180 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 4: He reminds you a lot of what Buddha Baker looks like. 181 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: At the moment you brought up something the role of 182 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: Buddha and JT. When we say sixtyb's and three safeties, 183 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about all six beyond the line of 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: scrimmage on that third level. No, you're gonna see Buddha 185 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: Baker creep close to the line of scrimmage, if not Blitz, 186 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: you're gonna see JT creep up to the line of scrimmage. 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 4: Perhaps Blitz. Nick Rolis brought it up. The flexibility that 188 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: was the frame. That was the word that Nick used. 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: The flexibility that it allows him as a defensive coordinator. 190 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 4: When you have those three safeties, the sixty b's and 191 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: give offenses a different look because yeah, you're a quote 192 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 4: unquote safety, but you might be rushing the quarterback on 193 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: that particular play, or you might be dropping into coverage 194 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: and actually playing one on one with the slot wide 195 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: receiver and freeing up someone on the other side. So 196 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: we know Nick likes to scheme and be a little 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 4: bit exotic with his looks, and sometimes I think last 198 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: season he had to do it because the talent wasn't there, 199 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: and you just had to manufacture some of the pressures 200 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: and how to stop an offense. Now, I think he 201 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: has the talent defensive line, inside linebacker, outside linebacker, corners, safeties. 202 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: So now it's okay, tell me who our best eleven 203 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 4: are and I'll figure out a way to do it 204 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: that way, as opposed to, well, I've got to play 205 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: five defensive lineman because we're getting gashed in the run game. 206 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: I need to front the line of scrimmage. I don't 207 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: think you're gonna have to worry about it that much 208 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 4: this season because of Koalais and Dovin, Tomlinson and Darius Robinson, 209 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 4: and now you can be a little bit more flexible 210 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 4: with your linebackers and DB's you said, he said, let's 211 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: get crazy, right or that he gets the opportunity to 212 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: get crazy with it, And I think that that's important. 213 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: But we'll talk about this right now. In August sixth, 214 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 4: in August ninth, they'll play their first preseason game and 215 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: they'll truly see where their run defense is at at 216 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: the moment. And I think that that could change something 217 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: if they are not as pleased with where they're at 218 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: in that category. Because when it comes to this defense, 219 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: and it's something that Nick Rowles talks about every single 220 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 4: weekend during the season, it all starts in the trenches 221 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: and it all starts at stopping the run. So what 222 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: the Cardinals are able to do. Now you have Buddha Baker, 223 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: who was an elite run stopper even as the safety. 224 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 4: His tackling ability and his tackling skill set is unheard 225 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: of for a defensive end, especially in today's day and age, 226 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: where defensive backs and safeties aren't as physical of tackles. 227 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: They need multiple guys. Buddha Baker was the number number 228 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: one safety, number two overall in tackles behind Zyer Franklin. 229 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the linebacker. Yeah, So to see him 230 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 4: have that capability of flying around over one hundred and 231 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: sixty tackles he had last season. That is that's a 232 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 4: indicative to the fact of how good Budda Baker is 233 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: at stopping the run. But it does come into trenches 234 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: and having if the trenches are a liability, which we 235 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: don't expect for it to be because of the amount 236 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: of resources you put into it, you at least know 237 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: you have the flexibility to get crazy, to draw up 238 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: all these different schemes, and now you have the talent 239 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: out there. Nick Rolis is a creative man. I'm excited 240 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: and eager to see what the creativity could look like 241 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: because we could see so many different packages. I was 242 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 4: looking at Zavin Collins's numbers from where he lined up 243 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 4: last year and they are all over the place. The 244 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 4: only person that has lined up in more spots and 245 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: then Zamon Collins has been Mac Wilson Senior as that 246 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 4: will linebacker. Now he's gonna be the mic linebacker. You know, 247 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: he's not going to be flying around everywhere. But Zavian Collins. 248 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,119 Speaker 4: I was looking through some of his numbers. It's remarkable. 249 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 4: He is lined up at every single position. 250 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: It's the versatility that Zavion brings to this defense that 251 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: allows Nick Rulis to place him anywhere. And then again 252 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: going back to that word being flexible defensively, I do 253 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: think for those that will be here on Saturday at 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium or watching the preseason opener Cardinals and Chiefs. 255 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Five o'clock is the kickoff one thirty. Pre game coverage 256 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: begins on the Arizona Cardinals radio network. I do think, 257 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: as we heard from Jonathan Gannon earlier in the week, yes, 258 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: the starters will play. And if the starters are playing, 259 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: then why not get it on film to show themselves okay, 260 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: is it working? And then to show others, hey, you 261 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: better prepare for this that three safety. Look what defensively 262 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: will we see from this starting unit and even in 263 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: the second and third team, whether it's a series or 264 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: two or a quarter for those starters, do we see 265 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: mac solo? Do we see sixtybs? Do we see Zavin 266 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: dropping the coverage being inside linebacker? Or is it more vanilla? 267 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: At the same time, you want to practice in a 268 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: live setting, even though it's not regular season, but a 269 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: live setting what you worked on in training camp again 270 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: to get it on film and to your point, do 271 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: you have to adjust. Hey, we thought we could stop 272 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: the run with three. Maybe now we need to see 273 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more of Josh Weed in a four 274 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: point stance, which I think i've kind of twice. He's 275 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: done that here at cards camout. It hasn't happened much. 276 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: It happened a lot in Philadelphia, especially when JG was 277 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. But maybe they see him more as 278 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: that stand up outside guy because they've got Darius Kalais 279 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: and Dalvin in the middle to handle the run. 280 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: With Josh Sweats eighteen and a half sacks during his 281 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: two years, which and Philly, he had his hand in 282 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: the dirt a lot. Josh Sweat did say it because 283 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: they had him as more of a defensive end roll 284 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: versus an outside linebacker role. We have not seen that 285 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: nearly at all this training camp because they've had him 286 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: as that stand up nine technique pass rusher. 287 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: But you're gonna learn a lot. 288 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: What I'm eager to see is what the defense is 289 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: gonna look like when the second team does get out there. 290 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: What does that look like? 291 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: Because you know what you're getting in Mac Wilson Senior, 292 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: which is great. Are the Cardinals going to have is 293 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: that the confidence that they have because of Mac Wilson 294 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: to only have him be the one linebacker, or when 295 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: his time is done in the preseason game, are they 296 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: gonna go back to the two linebacker sets and they're 297 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: gonna only be in in nickel packages? Or what is 298 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: it gonna look like when your starters are not out there? 299 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: Because then I think you could truly see what the 300 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: philosophy is of the coaching staff going into this upcoming season. 301 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: If they are gonna be in dime packages and nickel 302 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: packages a lot more frequently than just base, that's good 303 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: to know because you're gonna be able to You already 304 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: know you have the talent that could play in each 305 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 4: of those, because you have the eleven guys that you 306 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: think are the best. But still, what is it going 307 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 4: to look like? How often are you going to be 308 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: in base versus every other package? 309 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't be concerned 310 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: if the second team, third team comes out on the 311 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: field on Saturday and it's more of a traditional look 312 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: because you've got younger players asked to do something and 313 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: you don't want to overload them. At this point, I 314 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: believe it was JG talking about that, like, we don't 315 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: scheme what the other opponent is doing. We're going to 316 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: give them a handful of plays or a handful of assignments. 317 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: Worry about that, and then we add as we go forward, 318 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about the rookie class and those 319 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: first and second year players, you're not gonna have Cody 320 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Simon out there as your single inside linebacker at least, 321 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: I would not be expecting a. 322 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: Lot that happen. 323 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: I don't know, because it's possible that that could be 324 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 4: the look that they're going for. So they want to 325 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: get the other sixty fensive backs out there to see 326 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 4: how they're how they feel. I'm not I'm not sure, 327 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 4: and we we were not going to be sure. What 328 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: was its is that it came to predicting things. 329 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you finally realize and understand what that was? 330 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: Who that is? No? But you remember, but I remember? 331 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: You know you don't. 332 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: Forget what you what you hear here on Cardinals cover too. 333 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: No, I could never forget any of that. Just like 334 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 4: I'm happy you are woke up again to that exciting. Uh, 335 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: that's that's very exciting. No, look, we we don't we 336 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 4: can't predict it. We can only go based off our 337 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: analysis and in practice. They've obviously practiced everything. What I 338 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: think for this second unit, the third unit, the rookies, 339 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 4: the second year players, all the young guys that are 340 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: out there, what comes to mind for me is thinking 341 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 4: and seeing how they picked up the installs, because they're 342 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: not installing something to game plan against and uh against 343 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 4: an opposing team. They're they're picking up their install They're 344 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 4: installing it to get them ready for you know what 345 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: the Cardinals are ultimately going to be able to do 346 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: once the play call comes from Nick Rolis or from 347 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: Drew pettsing. 348 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I do appreciate the fact that we will see the 349 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: starters on Saturday. Again, how long we will see the 350 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: first team offense and defense on the field. 351 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: Who knows. 352 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I could certainly see a drive or two or maybe 353 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: one drive. If the offense goes eight plays seventy yards 354 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: and scores a touchdown, hey you knock the rust off. 355 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Let's get back to work on Monday ahead of the 356 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: joint practice against the Denver Broncos. Now, if the offense 357 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: goes three and out, put them back out there for 358 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: a second series. Let the offense led by Kyler Murray, 359 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: come off the field on Saturday on a high note 360 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: on some positivity, whether that's a touchdown or a field goal, 361 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: and then get into the second preseason week. Somewhat similar 362 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: for the defense. I mean, if you get that first 363 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: series is a takeaway, well go back out there and 364 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: get that second series. But I do think it's important 365 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: for this team, where they're at in year three, where 366 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: the talent is and where the expectation level is. You 367 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: need to get your body calloussed. You need to get 368 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: ready for week one and not use week one as Okay, 369 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: now we're ready and let's play. 370 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: No. 371 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: I think there's been a, I think in an adjustment 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: in how some coaches around the league view preseason games. 373 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: And if you're only playing three of them but only 374 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: utilizing maybe the first game or game and a half 375 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: for your starters, that's a long break between games between 376 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the second preseason game and week one. You got to 377 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: be able to close that gap somehow. And I understand, yes, 378 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: injuries can happen, but if you're worried about injuries, Zach, 379 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: then why are you practicing? 380 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: So this isn't the sport if you're worried about injuries 381 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 4: which is the unfortunate part of it. Injuries happen in 382 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: this game, and we saw on Wednesday's practice a handful 383 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: of offensive linement got banged up play after play after play. 384 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: Pretty sure there's three consecutive plays when the guys were 385 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: ended up getting evaluated on the sidelines. Not going to 386 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: be concerned about that. They remain They all remained on 387 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: the field. They all got back on the field and 388 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: participated in drills, which was encouraging to see. But that's 389 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: what you play the game because it's a violent sport. 390 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: It's a physical sport. What I'm interested when it comes 391 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 4: to Kyler Murray being out there or the offense, and 392 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 4: you mentioned it starting on a high note and ending 393 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: on a high note as well. The Kansas City Chiefs notoriously, 394 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: and we have yet to hear from Andy Reid if 395 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: anything has changed, is they've played their starters. I think 396 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: this is a good benchmark, a good check post to 397 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: see where we're at in terms of where this offense, 398 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 4: where this defense is compared to the reigning AFC champions. 399 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 4: That's something that I'm going to be very interested in 400 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: seeing in joint practices and in regular practices. Your offense, 401 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: your first team, second team, third team, because you're just 402 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 4: trying to get everybody to get some reps. They are 403 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: all maybe taking ten to twelve snaps per drill, and 404 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: then you go on to the next unit. Ten is 405 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 4: twelve snaps. If you get those ten to twelve snaps 406 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: against the Chiefs starting defense and the chief starting offense, 407 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 4: and you feel good about that, it's just like you're 408 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 4: ending that drill early, feeling good about yourself. We're going 409 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 4: to go on to the next That's what I'm interested 410 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 4: to see is how does this team respond when they're 411 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 4: faced with an opponent that might be a little bit 412 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 4: better than you. Right now, the Chiefs were just in 413 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: the super Bowl in the last three seasons. It's not 414 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: a stretch to say that they're better than the Arizona Cardinals. However, 415 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: it's a different Arizona Cardinals team, and the Chiefs are 416 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: also a different team. 417 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: It's easy to say, well, the Chiefs play their starters 418 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: in the preseason. Look how successful they've been, so you 419 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: should play your starters in the preseason. 420 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: I get it. 421 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of somewhere along that line of thinking, 422 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: but not completely, but I get it. Cardinals each of 423 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: the past two years have started one in three those 424 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: first four games one in three. 425 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 426 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: If you're JG this past offseason, you're looking okay, you're 427 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: always looking to improve, get better. Where do we tweak? Well, 428 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: the first thing they tweaked was training camp, padded practices 429 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: back to back days. Did it twice in one week. 430 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: So there's one adjustment. And I think the second adjustment is, yeah, 431 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: our starters are going to play in the preseason. Does 432 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: that mean now they're going to start three to one? No, 433 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: But if you're going back and figure out how do 434 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: we get off to a better start, Well, maybe we 435 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: need to play and be more physical in training camp, 436 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: play more live reps, whether that's a joint practice or 437 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: preseason game, to get us ready for those early games 438 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: and not act as if September is the new preseason 439 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: and you're using those first three to four games to 440 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: get you ready for the rest of the regular season. 441 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, Kyler hasn't played in a preseason 442 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: game since twenty twenty one, correct, So that is a 443 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: long time, and we've seen the slower starts, and granted 444 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 4: Kyler was coming off his ACL injury, there's a lot 445 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 4: of factors as to what the one and three start 446 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 4: could be attributed towards last season. The game against the 447 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 4: Detroit Lions in Week three, MacWilson Senior has an interception 448 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: to two minute warning taken to the house that's called back. 449 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: If that game ends differently and where that call is 450 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 4: made differently, we could be having very different discussions. 451 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: But the numbers are the numbers. 452 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: And when Nick Ross was asked today about what numbers 453 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: he looks at, he was focused on the wins and 454 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: the losses. So right now we're going to look at 455 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: the wins and the losses. That's how you started. And 456 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: that's too slow to start is because if you go 457 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: one and three in your first four games this year, 458 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 4: that is scary because you play two division opponents in 459 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: your first four weeks. So that's something that I think 460 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 4: the Cardinals are mindful of. You start off with the 461 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: division and you start off red hot, so I think 462 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: that it's going to and you also, the game against 463 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers is quote unquote a revenge game in week two, 464 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: Week three, you have the forty nine ers, you swept them, 465 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of talk about them winning the division. Again, 466 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: and I know that this team here's that Thursday Night 467 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: football the following weeks against the Seattle Seahawks you went 468 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 4: oh for since Shahan the Gannon has been here yet 469 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: to beat the Seattle Seahawks. 470 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: These are all. 471 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 4: Games that I know this team has circled. Of course, 472 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: they're only focused right now on New Orleans. But because 473 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 4: we get paid to look a little bit further down 474 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 4: the line, We're gonna look a little bit further down 475 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: the line. I believe preseason can make a difference for 476 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 4: how this team starts to New Orleans. 477 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: If the Cardinals had started four to oh each of 478 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: the past two seasons, do I think the Cardinals starters 479 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: would be playing in the preseason on Saturday? 480 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: I do not. 481 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: I do because I think if they were to play 482 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: the preseason games beforehand, why break what's why? 483 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: Why change what's been? What is it? If it's not broke, 484 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: don't fix it. 485 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: No, I mean, if they had, if the first if 486 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: they didn't, if they yeah, and they went four to o, gotcha, 487 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: I agree with you, because once again, if they ain't broke, 488 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: don't fix it. Yeah it just again, I'm not saying 489 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: oh because they're playing now it's going to mean a 490 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: better start. Well, no, I can't see into the future, 491 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: but I'm willing to try. Yeah, yeah, I am not him, 492 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: you're him. I'm willing to try something different to figure 493 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: out how to better to get the Cardinals off to 494 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: a better starts. That's where I'm thinking of this. And 495 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: I understand. Yes, someone can get hurt and then all 496 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden everyone's yelling why do they play well? 497 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: Someone can get hurt in practice, and if you're not 498 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: practicing football, then why you actually playing football? So you 499 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: can't go into things thinking or trying to avoid getting hurt, 500 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: because then that's what injuries typically do happen because you're 501 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: not going full speed. 502 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 4: But I think if you're a fan, you have to 503 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: appreciate that the coaching staff is looking at what can 504 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 4: be changed, because you don't want a team to just 505 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 4: be stagnant. It's just it's our way, my way, or 506 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 4: the highway. If Johnathan Gannon said that, I don't think 507 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: this fan base would be happy. They wouldn't be happy 508 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: to see that their guys are settling with where they 509 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 4: were at in the previous handful of seasons. Jonathan Gannon 510 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: is trying to crack the code and trying to figure 511 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 4: out what he can do to elevate his team to 512 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: be in the playoff hunt, and to not just be 513 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: in the hunt, but to be in the playoffs and 514 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: to go further beyond that. They're not settling for a 515 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 4: third finishing the division. Again, that's not that was a 516 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: great benchmark last year with how they ended up on 517 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 4: the standings. Now, if you look at how it ultimately 518 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 4: ended up happening, knowing you were in the driver's seed 519 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: the division, you're not happy about that. 520 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: But JG. 521 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 4: He's spent the offseason trying to figure out what needs 522 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: to change. A lot of staff changes were made. I 523 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 4: think that this is another thing with the more friction 524 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 4: playing the guys in the preseason. I'm only going to 525 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: be invested in what the regular season changes are going 526 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: to look like for the staff as well. 527 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: And that's the bottom line. What does the how does 528 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: the season start? But then then when we get to 529 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: that first month, it's like, Okay, it doesn't matter what 530 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: you do in September. Tell me how you're finishing in 531 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: December and January and where this team is hopefully, and 532 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: we all anticipate or expect playing well into January, and 533 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: not just Week eighteen, but going into wild card weekend 534 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: and those playoff matchups. But you're not gonna know until 535 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: you get there, So how can you best prepare yourself 536 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: to wind up with a finish like that? 537 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: Of course, and when you play the Rams in Week fourteen. 538 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 4: In Week eighteen, you don't want to go into that 539 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 4: first game against the Rams thinking your division hopes are 540 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: on the line. You want to feel comfortable about where 541 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: you're at the start of the season. It can be 542 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 4: favorable if the Cardinals play like we know that the 543 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 4: Cardinals can play. The start of the season can be 544 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 4: favorable going into that Week nine game against the Dallas Cowboys. 545 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: On Monday Night Football, before. 546 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: I cut you loose, I mentioned the final open practice 547 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: in pads, a little bit of a national attention on 548 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: this practice. NFL Network broadcasting Inside Training Camp with Ian Rapaport, 549 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland, and Taylor Bescatti. By the way, you and 550 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: Isaac had a chance to speak with Ian Rapaport. You'll 551 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: hear that later on this week. In fact, depending on 552 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: when you listen to this show, it will drop on Thursday. 553 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: We will hear from Ian Rapaport. But Not only was 554 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: NFL Network in attendance, but Sports Illustrated's. 555 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: Albert Breer was here. 556 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: So again these national talking heads, if you will, there 557 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: are thirty two teams. You can't many tried to get 558 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: to all thirty two, but sometimes logistically you can't get 559 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to all thirty two stops. Yes, with joint practices you 560 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: can kind of hit two teams at once. But I 561 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: do think it matters when you do see national personalities 562 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: or national outlets at training camp, especially going into what 563 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: is we talked about year three for this front office 564 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: and coaching staff and year seven for the quarterback. 565 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 4: We've also had Jordan Rodrigue on the show from the 566 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: Athletic We've had Gilbert Manzano from Sports Illustrated as well, 567 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: So the national pundits have been here. Sirius XM also 568 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: was here earlier on in training camp. When you see 569 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: the national media as bought into the NFC West as 570 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: they are, the teams that they're typically talking about are 571 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 4: not the Arizona Cardinals, And I think because of the 572 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 4: work it's and it's a credit, it's a testament to 573 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: Jonathanan and Nick Rodlidson, drewp Hetsing and Special teams coordinator 574 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: Jeff Rogers for the team that they've been able to construct, 575 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: along with general manager Manti Austin for it. They have 576 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: caught the eyes of the national media going into this 577 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 4: year three under this regime, so they we've heard a 578 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: lot of great things. Obviously, we'll hear our conversation with 579 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 4: Ian which was awesome. He had a handful of stops 580 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 4: and I know that he is very bullish about where 581 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 4: this Cardinals team can be. He said that they are 582 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: ready to win now. And I think if from a 583 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: guy who has tried to go to every team possible, 584 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: not every team is ready to win now. For him 585 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: to see that the Cardinals are, it's encouraging. 586 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Good to see Michael Wilson back on the practice field 587 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: after missing the past two days. He was in the 588 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: yellow non context, so he was just going through position drills. 589 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: But again he continues to ramp up and get out 590 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: a concussion protocol. Will we see him on Saturday. As 591 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: we talk about the starters, he might be one of 592 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: those guys with a bit of a question mark at 593 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: least right now, but good to see him running routes. 594 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: He looked good running the routes too. Good speed, so 595 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: that was encouraging to see. 596 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Still know Justin Jones, Simmy Fejoco dealing with that quad 597 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: John Gaines had his right hand wrap, so he remains 598 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: on the sideline. Again, just something to pay attention to 599 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: as you keep going deeper and deeper into training camp. 600 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: But on the offensive line front, we talk about the starters, 601 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: and for those that are coming to Saturday, here's a 602 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: name that I'm going to pay attention to, and it's 603 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent out of Ohio State, Josh Fryar. 604 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: I think he has slowly crept up the depth chart 605 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: to where now I could certainly see him being your 606 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: fourth tackle behind a Jonah Williams, behind a Paris Johnson Junior, 607 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 1: behind a Kelvin Beacham, and then inslides Josh Fryer. Too 608 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: many times now in the past couple of days, I've 609 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: seen him play either second team left tackle or second 610 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: team right tackle. Even saw him play a little third 611 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: team guard. Again, the versatility along the offensive line. But 612 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: someone that has at least caught my attention, and maybe 613 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a surprise given that his position coach, 614 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Justin fry was his position coach at Ohio State the 615 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: past three seasons. But Josh Fryar six five three twenty 616 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: he looks very good, and especially during one on one drills, 617 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: he has held his own against a Zavi and Collins 618 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: or a Kaleis Campbell, which we noticed on Wednesday. 619 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 4: And you will understand it's not a surprise either. Because 620 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 4: I wrote an article about Josh Fryer and Azycardinals dot Com. 621 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring up the Yes, it's a great article, 622 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: but it also means I got to bring up the 623 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: fact that Fryar went to Penn that went to Ohio State, 624 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: and you went to Penn State in that whole dynamically. 625 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Didn't need to bring that up. Will you opened the door? 626 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: I just kind of walked right through. 627 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 4: You didn't just walk through, You didn't even knock. You 628 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: just intruded, which was wrong. Look, I I spoke with 629 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 4: Paris Johnson Junior when I was putting together the now 630 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 4: in miss Ohio State West story about the Cardinals. 631 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: Uh, that's that's something, all right. 632 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 4: But when I wrote the article and I was asking 633 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 4: him about just having all the guys in the building, 634 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: and I asked Paris about it, he brought up Josh 635 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 4: Fryer without me even unprovoked, and I asked him a 636 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 4: little bit further. I'm like, tell me a little bit 637 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 4: more about Josh Fryer and the quote he gave me 638 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 4: here was a direct quote here. I know the guy 639 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 4: he is, and while I know he came in undrafted, 640 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 4: I believe the Cardinals have a star. Since I was 641 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 4: in college, I always said, whatever team Josh Fryer is 642 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: going to be on, he's going to be a long 643 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: term guy because of the way he works, his mentality, 644 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: the way he shows up, and the way he loves 645 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 4: to take to coaching and advice. When your cornerstone piece 646 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 4: on the offensive line, Paris Johnson Junior is advocating for 647 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: you in the way that he is. That isn't just 648 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 4: a oh, we're a part of the same alumni base. 649 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 4: Let me have my guys back. When you see it 650 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 4: on the football field, Josh Friar impresses. He looks really 651 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: good out there. That versatility that you alluded to is key. 652 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 4: He was all over the offensive line during his time 653 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: with the Buckeyes. I think the Cardinals were able to 654 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 4: find a steal in Josh Fryer, and they have a 655 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 4: history of keeping undrafted guys on the roster. You had 656 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 4: Amar de Mercado in that first season with the Arizona 657 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: Cardinals in twenty twenty three. The following year, although he 658 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 4: didn't play much, he was still in the roster. And 659 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 4: now is Xavier Weaver, the wide receiver who I'm excited 660 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: to see what he's able to do in this preseason. 661 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 4: It would not surprise me if the Cardinals opt to 662 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: keep Josh Fryer because he has played really well so far. 663 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: The stat is ten times in the last thirteen years 664 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have at least one undrafted free agent make 665 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: the Week one roster. 666 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 4: Wow, and I don't see this being that far off now. 667 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 4: I think Christian Jones, hopefully he's a guy that performs 668 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: better during live in game action. 669 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: I'm not fully sure though. 670 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 4: I wonder how much the Cardinals are going to value 671 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 4: the one game he started in the two games he 672 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 4: played last year. Mind you, he was coming off an 673 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: injury as well to his foot or two is heel 674 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, So you don't know necessary. You 675 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: might not know what you have in Christian Jones, but 676 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: so far in training camp, this is what you have 677 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 4: to evaluate. Off of and Josh Fire has looked pretty 678 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 4: special out there. 679 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: I thought it was a good d good day for 680 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: the defense. Eleven on eleven they were working on end 681 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: of half scenarios, so the ones were going against the twos. 682 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: Denzel Burke had a nice pass breakup covering Elijah Higgins. 683 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: There was a Zay Jones catch on the sideline that 684 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: was ruled incomplete because it didn't get both feed inbounds. 685 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: But then there was a penalty near the line of 686 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: scrimmage for a legal use of hands. And Darren Hall 687 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: had a nice pass breakup against Marvin Harrison Junior. So 688 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: that's the second team. When you're talking about the cornerback depth. 689 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: Denzel Burke, fifth round pick, Darren Hall, a veteran something 690 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: you like to see. 691 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: Now. 692 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: The flip side is, well, why wasn't the offense able 693 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: to drive the link to the field and set up 694 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: a field goal or a game winning touchdown? So you 695 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: work both ways, but it does say something when you're 696 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: talk about the development and training camp and guys taking 697 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: advantage of their opportunities. Denzel Burke has certainly done that. 698 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 4: But on the flip side of that, I also posted 699 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 4: a video on my ex account Zach easy cards of 700 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 4: Marvin basically putting Denzel blowing right by him in. So 701 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 4: that just shows how competitive these training camp practices are 702 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: because you rattled off all the amazing things that Denzel 703 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 4: Burke has done today, which he has, but it also 704 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 4: shows how much more there still is and how much 705 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 4: it's also a credit to the offense and the type 706 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 4: of player that Marvin Harrison Junior is. The play of 707 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 4: the day that I saw was and it was on 708 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 4: where I was located on the side of the field. 709 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 4: Steven Gilmore had an incredible pass breakup against Elijah Higgins 710 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 4: and was able to swat it away. As Higgins was 711 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 4: falling back, Steven Gilmore somehow managed to sneak his hand 712 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 4: in and Elijah Higgins had a smile on his face 713 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 4: because he was like, that was. 714 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: A really good pass breakup. 715 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 4: I thought that that was because Steven Gilmore he came 716 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 4: in after the injury to Starlink Thomas, haven't really seen 717 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: him much through out the practices. This one, though, was 718 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 4: right in front of me, was hard to miss. Steven 719 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 4: Gilmour wearing number thirty eight. For those that will be 720 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 4: paying attention in the preseason because a lot of these 721 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 4: names that we're talking about, You're going to see a lot, 722 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 4: whether that's an entire second half or an entire game, 723 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 4: once you get to that third preseason game, and these 724 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 4: are guys that who knows, maybe they don't make the 725 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 4: fifty three man roster, but are kept around around the 726 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 4: practice squad or get claimed elsewhere and find their way 727 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 4: back to the Cardinals at some point. But tough decisions ahead. 728 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: For Monty Austin Ford and this front office, and the 729 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: next step in the evaluation come Saturday in the preseason game. 730 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 4: And after that, the pro scouts are already being put 731 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: to work because they're watching what happening in that first 732 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 4: preseason game in the Hall of Fame game against the 733 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 4: Chargers and the who did the Chargers play again? 734 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: The Lions? 735 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 2: The Lions, right, Yeah. 736 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: It was not a good performance by the Lions. Dan 737 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: camsl We were happy. 738 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, because we were recording Covered two when that was 739 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 4: when that was happening, because of course I remember everything 740 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 4: that is discussed on cards Cover too. But the pro 741 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 4: scouts are being put to work. They're going to be 742 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: watching all the other preseason games, seeing what's happening out 743 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 4: there because The Cardinals also have a history of finding 744 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 4: players that were undrafted or that were cut and bringing 745 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 4: them in. Elijah Higgins was one of those guys. Starling 746 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 4: Thomas was one of those guys. It's going to be 747 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 4: something to see once the cut day does happen, what 748 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 4: the Cardinals do with their current roster, who they're letting 749 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: go and who else they're also going to be bringing. 750 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: In August twenty sixth, it's a Tuesday. That's when, twenty 751 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: days from now, the Arizona Cardinals and the rest of 752 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: the thirty one NFL teams have to whittle their roster 753 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: to fifty three. 754 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 4: Twenty days does not seem like a long time, but 755 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 4: this organization will change in those twenty days. 756 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: One more day out here at State Farms Stadium. Cards 757 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: Camp presented or say Training Camp twenty twenty five percented 758 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: by a Desert Financial wraps up on Thursday, and then 759 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: of course the preseason opener on Saturday against the Kansas 760 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: City Chiefs. And on that notes, we will put on 761 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud 762 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 763 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jill Mama Hunter, our associate producer Cody 764 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: Fincher for Zach Gershman, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk 765 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.