WEBVTT - The Most Haunted Location in Virginia 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.520 and Mild from Aaron Manky. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.840 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.400 Hello and welcome to the season six finale of Haunted Road. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.200 I want to remind you to please stay subscribed and 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.480 keep telling your friends about Haunted Road in the meantime 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.319 while we get more episodes in order, please come see 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.920 me in person. 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There's twenty four to seven webcams 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.959 and a lot more. Again, head to Amy brune dot 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.360 com to join in all the spooky fun. Now Haunted 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:21.560 Roadies enjoy the season six finale. Years ago, I was 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.600 investigating an old nursing home. I was sitting in the darkness, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.920 peering down a long hallway, waiting for something, anything, to happen. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.520 I'd heard noises at the end of the hall, and 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.720 I was determined to see if they were ghostly or 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.120 some sort of critter that had gotten in the space. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.640 And that's when I saw it. The darkness seemed to 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.360 move on one side of the hall, the entire darkness. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.920 It stirred a bit, and then a large portion of 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.160 what I assumed to be shadows broke loose from the 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.800 black space, and I could see it was humanoid in nature, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.320 and it was crawling. As quick as I could register 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.920 what I was seeing, that same crawling thing scurried from 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.760 the floor, up the wall, across the ceiling, and disappeared 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.640 into a gaping chunk of the ceiling that had long 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.760 fallen and rotted away. I'd seen what we call a crawler, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.919 and the place where headed this week is notorious for them. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.560 Join me as we head to Saint Albans Sanatorium. I'm 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:37.840 Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road, a pair of 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.680 stately brick buildings designed in the classic Revival style tower 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.239 on a bluff that looms over the New River in Radford, Virginia. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.040 The two structures stand very near each other, just sixty 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.200 feet apart, while an eight foot wide corridor connects the two. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.359 They're each two stories tall with dingy windows looking out 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.519 over the neatly mowed lawns, but the interior of each 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:06.600 building is anything but tidy or well maintained. The structures 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.160 are currently undergoing renovations, but if you walk a little 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.240 past the areas that have been restored, you'll find passageways 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.160 where the bluish white paint peels off crumbling walls. In 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:23.200 some places, large patches of plaster are visible. Even beneath 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.880 the decay, you can see hints of old glory. The 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.440 remains of an old grand staircase and a former sun 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.680 room still stand, the ladder of which is still brightly 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.560 lit thanks to the overhead skylights. There's even a modest 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:43.119 underground bowling alley with two lanes. The facility, known as 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.680 Saint Alban's Sanatorium, was originally constructed as a private prep 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.680 school for boys in eighteen ninety two. At the time, Radford, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.240 Virginia was going through a period of transformation after numerous 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.440 Civil War battles had swept through the region, leaving destruction 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:04.000 in their While the town had only been formally incorporated 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.640 for less than a decade at that point, it had 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.440 also already changed. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:08.880 Its name once. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.320 While Radford was redefining itself, the new school catered to 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.800 its wealthier residents. Once Saint Albans first opened its doors, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.280 it had the capacity to serve fifty students, and the 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.000 inaugural class had thirty nine. Interestingly, the school only had 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.080 five teachers, counting the headmaster, who also owned the institution, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.040 and almost all of them were completely inexperienced in education. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.480 In fact, the headmaster was a lot more interested in 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:43.600 developing the athletics program than he was in academics. According 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.479 to Anne Stuart Beckett's report for the United States Department 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.320 of the Interior, the school had one of the top 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.640 football and baseball programs in all of the South during 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:58.400 his tenure. This was a big draw for prospective students. However, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.400 in the early nineteen hundred that headmaster sold the institution 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:08.000 to pursue more profitable opportunities. Sadly again, this is according 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.960 to Anne Beckett, the new owners squandered the school's resources 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.120 and good name. It soon became an open secret that 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.920 the students didn't respect anyone. Beckett reported that they were 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:24.840 verbally abusive to their professors, locals around town, and each other. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.359 They drank to excess and destroyed property. In the yearbooks. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.120 Whichever students wrote the copy openly bragged about beating up 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.080 their classmates. They also called them rude names in print. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.560 In light of all of that, it was almost inevitable 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.280 that the local families would find other places to send 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.320 their children rather than send them to Saint Albans with 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:51.640 its bad reputation. Enrollment numbers declined year after year, until 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.279 finally the school had to be shuttered. After several years 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.520 spent sitting empty, the facilities sold again in nineteen fifteen. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.480 This time around, the buyer was a man named doctor J. C. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.000 King. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.560 He had no background in the academics, but unlike some 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.599 of the former owners, he also had no interest in 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.800 owning or operating a school. King had previously worked in 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.960 a mental health institution, and after he acquired Saint Albans, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.640 he converted it into a facility he called Saint Albans Sanatorium. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.799 While the hospital was originally intended to focus on nervous 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:35.159 and emotional disorders, over time their mission expanded. At various periods, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:40.240 they treated substance use disorders, alcohol abuse, and physical conditions 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.880 like syphilis. Doctor King, who lived on site, even provided 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:49.080 emergency medical care and delivered babies for locals who sought 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.600 his expertise. But in the beginning, there was a great 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.880 demand specifically for mental health treatment, so much so that 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.000 when the sanatorium first formerly own, opened its doors on 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.800 January sixteenth, nineteen sixteen, there were already four prospective patients 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.040 lined up outside. Those residents and the later ones found 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.720 a warm, welcoming home. In their book Haunted Asylums, Prisons 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:21.320 and Sanatoriums Inside Abandoned Institutions for the Crazy, criminal and Quarantined, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.280 authors James Davis and Samuel Queen described the conditions in 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.200 very positive terms. They said that Saint Albans ran an 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.680 on site farm which provided fresh produce for the residents. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.320 Their go to remedies included rest and relaxation, games of 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.600 croquet and tennis, and even massages. This was not the 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.960 norm when it came to mental health treatment in the 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.920 nineteen tens, so it's no surprise that patients flocked to 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:54.280 Saint Albans. Unfortunately, people didn't understand mental illness well in 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.600 that time, and this meant the sanatorium also prescribed treatments 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.600 that we'd consider barbe barrack today. It doesn't seem that 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.320 the doctors were acting out of malice or cruelty, merely ignorance. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.520 According to the Roanoke Times, Saint Albans was the first 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.960 hospital in all of Virginia to adopt the then cutting 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:20.280 edge practice known as subcoma insulin shock therapy. The theory 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.440 behind it was that some mental health conditions could be 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.000 cured if the patients spent a few hours in a coma, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.040 But the process the doctors used to induce these commas 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.840 was very dangerous and sometimes fatal, and sadly, even for 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:42.199 those patients who survived, the remedy was frequently ineffective. Still, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.000 more and more patients checked in, and Saint Albans had 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.920 to add new beds to keep up with demand. They 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.200 built new additions in nineteen twenty six, then again in 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.839 nineteen fifty and once more between nineteen fifty four and 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.840 nineteen fifty five. In the midst of all this construction, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.760 in nineteen fifty one, the sanatorium's owner, Doctor King, passed away, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.559 his son, James took over. An article with the Martinsville 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.840 Bulletin reported that around this time the sanatorium experienced a 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.360 one hundred percent labor force turnover. Every single person who'd 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.959 worked under doctor King's supervision was either fired, laid off, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.800 or resigned due to poor pay and a heavy workload. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.880 There were simply too many patients for all of the 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.720 nurses and doctors to give them the care they needed, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.839 and the staff was getting burnt out. James approved better 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.679 pay to try to stem the exodus, and after that 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.199 the hospital continued to operate for decades. It continued expanding 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.760 and adding new buildings until it finally shut its doors 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:53.400 for good in nineteen ninety four. Originally there were plans 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.520 to demolish it, but throughout the two thousands and early 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.960 twenty tens, local activists fought to preserve the facility. This 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.679 was in part due to its historical significance, but also 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.360 because by this point Saint Albans had earned a reputation 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:13.400 for being haunted. In fact, according to some Saint Albans 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.800 was called the most haunted location on the East Coast 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.800 after it secured a spot on the National Register of 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.079 Historic Places. In twenty twenty, Saint Albans became an historical 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.160 museum which also hosted ghost tours. Visitors who come on 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.080 these tours report all of the typical sides you see 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.400 in any haunted location. There are noises that don't have 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:40.120 a clear source, disembodied footsteps, voices, and even sounds of 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.559 merriment like laughter, singing, and whistling. A cold spot may 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:49.319 suddenly descend and then disperse just as quickly. Electronic devices 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.440 lose their charges rapidly. Guests get the sense that they're 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.920 being watched and might see objects move on their own. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.600 As for the spirits that are thought to dwell there, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.680 they have been known to be aggressive. Multiple guests came 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.280 away from their tours with deep scratch marks. Others got 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.760 burned so severe they left welts. There are several specific 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.559 specters who make regular appearances at Saint Albans, especially in 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.040 the boiler Room and the Bowling Alley, both of which 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.320 are hotspots for sightings. In the boiler room, female visitors 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.120 often feel as though some entity they can't see as 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.839 groping them or touching their hair. Much of the activity 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.120 in this room is attributed to a spirit that has 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.960 been nicknamed Smoky. It's thought to not be human, and 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.960 guests often leave it lit cigarettes as a sort of 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.719 peace offering. As for the basement, there's quite a bit 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.840 of debate about who exactly dwells there. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:49.560 One story goes. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.080 That a young woman was admitted to Saint Albans, then 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.439 passed away there the ghost of her daughter, a young girl, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:00.160 now roams the basement searching for her departed mother. Other 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.400 account says the ghost is a woman named Gina renee Hall. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.400 She was murdered in nineteen eighty by a man who 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.360 gave her a ride home from a nightclub. Her body 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.120 was never found, even after her killer was caught and convicted. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.200 Some think her murderer might have burned it in the 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.679 Saint Alban's boiler, or he might have stashed her remains 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.840 away somewhere else on the property. Supposedly, if you say 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.920 Gina's name out loud while in the Bowling Alley, a 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.199 mist will appear before your eyes, as though you've summoned her. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.840 The Bowling Alley is also home to a shadow figure 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:38.480 with striking red eyes, but ghost hunters don't need to 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.280 restrict themselves to the Bowling Alley, boiler room and basement 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.880 to have an encounter. Reports say a woman's spirit wanders 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.120 Saint Alban's halls carrying a baby. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.319 She seems to be. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.000 In her twenties or thirties and often wears a white 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.800 dress that looks like something from the late eighteen hundreds. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.839 Typically she'll appear under the main staircase's archway. There are 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.160 also reports of a dark haired young girl, and one 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.240 ghost is said to be aggressive, with men rushing at 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.520 them when they encounter it. One of the most well 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.160 known spirits is a woman named Rebecca. It said that 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.839 she was pregnant while she was living at the hospital, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.559 although accounts vary as to whether she was already expecting 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.840 when she checked in or if she conceived the child 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.720 during her stay. Either way, the baby didn't make it again. 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.880 There doesn't seem to be much consensus about what exactly 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.280 happened to it. Some stories say it was a stillbirth, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.280 others say a miscarriage. There are even rumors which were 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.760 reported by Jody Arneson on the mid Atlantic Day Trips 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.080 website that sanatorium employees forced Rebecca to have an abortion 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.920 she did not want. Arneson also reported that after the 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.000 child passed, a heartbroken Rebecca kept its remains in ajar. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.800 She treated it like a real living baby, rocking it 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.920 and singing Lalla. Eventually, the staff decided this was unhealthy 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.840 and they took the jar away from Rebecca to bury it. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.760 Unable to deal with her loss, Rebecca marched into the 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.040 bathroom right next door to her room. There she took 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.480 her own life. She was one of several patients who 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.040 died by suicide in that very bathroom. Estimates put the 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.320 number at anywhere between three and twelve people. Today, visitors 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.720 who set foot in that bathroom or Rebecca's bedroom often 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.680 report that they feel an overwhelming sadness. Some burst into 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:37.360 tears without fully understanding why. There are also often sightings 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.640 of a pair of men, Jacob and Donald. It's unclear 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.560 who Jacob and Donald were in life, and there's no 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.400 historical record of either one, but there are various stories 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.240 that tried to explain their backgrounds. One goes that Jacob 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.120 was a young child who grew up in the sanatorium 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.840 after his parents gave him up. Donald was a pedophile 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.000 who worked at Saint all doing odd jobs and handiwork. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.000 It's said that one night Donald sexually assaulted Jacob, then 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.120 killed the boy. After the deed was done, Now his 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.160 spirit tries to recreate the crime, coaxing male visitors into 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.560 his room and then into his closet. Evil Ogolville's article 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.920 to Catch a Preternatural Predator Donald of Saint Alban's Sanatorium, Radford, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:27.040 Virginia suggests that Jacob's spirit is unable to move on 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.480 because Donald is still keeping him there within his grasp. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.600 Another variation on this story goes that Donald didn't actually 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.920 kill Jacob, but he was falsely accused of the murder 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.040 after the young boy turned up dead. In this version, 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.360 Donald was an innocent gay man blame fell on him 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.240 solely due to the widespread homophobic attitudes of the time, 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.120 But there is absolutely no historical documentation to back any 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.080 of these stories up. Regardless of where the truth lies, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.520 it's clear that the halls of Saint Alban's Sanatorium are 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.040 marked by sadness. Even though the staff seemed to want 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.600 the best for their patients during the hospital's operation, they 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.680 couldn't be everything they needed. Every human life has a 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.000 certain amount of tragedy, and when you exacerbate that with 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.880 mental illness and a poor understanding of how to treat it, 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.760 it seems inevitable that some of that pain will linger permanently. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.680 So today I am talking to Steve Dills. He is 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.320 a paranormal investigator and researcher who has spent quite a 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.040 bit of time at Saint Albans and he has some 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.000 of the wildest stories I have heard on Haunted Road. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:46.120 Yet that is coming up after the break. All right, 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.560 I am now joined by Steve Dills, who is a 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:55.080 paranormal investigator and researcher and has investigated and visited Saint 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.680 Albans many times. So Steve, why don't you tell me 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.680 what team you're from and what it is you do 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:00.920 exact Hey? 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.880 Sure? So again, my name is Steve Dill's. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.600 I am the director of Transcend Paranormal or a paranormal 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.400 team that operates in central Virginia and we do quite 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.800 a bit of traveling, but we also partner with historical 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.919 locations throughout Virginia and surrounding states and we host you know, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:22.399 ghost tours, public investigations, lectures, presentations, hold nine yards and 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.119 one hundred percent of the proceeds goes directly to the 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.280 historic locations that we're working with. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.320 Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, we talk about 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.280 that a lot on the show. Here about that really 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:39.879 lovely byproduct of paranormal research and investigation that sometimes we 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.800 can actually help some of these historical locations financially. You know, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.760 regardless of how you feel about ghosts and hauntings or 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.000 if you believe in them or not, there are some 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.320 really great work that comes out of this. So I 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.160 really admire that. That's really awesome. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.600 Yeah, and it's it's a really cool way to kind 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.040 of I guess it's a different lens that you get 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.280 to explore and kind of pack history. So it's kind 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.200 of fun to flip something on its side and take 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:06.440 a look at it from a different angle. 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:07.160 It's a lot of fun. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.719 Yeah, And I mean, seriously, Virginia, You've got a lot 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.320 of history going on there, so you're. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.239 You're in an area right for research. I love it. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.160 Full disclosure for my listeners and for you Steep, because 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.240 I did not tell you this, but I am currently 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.520 recording this. We're on vacation. Anyone who follows me online 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.919 knows I'm here a lot, but we're on vacation at 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.800 Disney World, which is lovely. But that also means that 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:29.919 there are ferries. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:30.280 In the background. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.240 And if you hear a horn, it's not a ghost 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:38.520 horn like a it's a water taxi horn. And if 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.639 you hear voices, it's probably housekeeping. So I know sometimes 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.120 people hear voices in the background when I'm recording at home, 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.159 which I do not have an explanation for, but this 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:46.720 I do. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.280 But anyways, we're in line for the Haunted Mansion right now. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:51.200 I may have to leave. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.919 I might have to go ride the ride really fast 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.080 if only, oh my gosh, I would be amazing. But 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.120 later today that is on our agenda. Anyways, how did 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.399 you become involved with Saint Albans or how did you 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.720 come to investigate there? 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:11.080 Gosh, I actually went up there just for an event 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.040 one year, and I heard, you know, I heard a 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.480 bunch about Saint Albans. You gotta go, you gotta go. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.440 It's you know, it's one of the most honed locations 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.200 on the East Coast. I'm like, all right, well it's 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.080 you know, it's about a two hour three hour driver. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:27.359 So and just decided to like okay doing it. And 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.479 after that the first time I was, I was pretty hooked. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.680 And so, you know, we we ended up booking Saint 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.240 Albans privately a couple of times and then met the 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.520 teams that kind of help and and focus a lot 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.160 of their time and energy and volunteer at Saint Albans, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.719 and I don't know, just became friends. And so we 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.040 go up there every so often and try to help 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.479 and support them with their events. And then a lot 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.080 of times we still you know, rented out ourselves because 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.000 I don't know, I love Saint Albans. It's it's something 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:00.000 that just keeps bringing you back. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:01.040 I love that. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.000 When did you know, like when you what was the 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.520 first time that you really had some sort of experience 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.760 there or vibe there that you knew like this is 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.520 something special, There's something definitely going on here. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:12.520 Oh my god. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.600 Like the very first time that we we rented out 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.520 the building, very first time that we went and investigated, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.639 we were actually on the you know, like the tour. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.960 So when you go and investigate Saint Albans, first off, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.720 they will they will all for a tour, so you can, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.919 you know, they'll show you kind of where all the 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.840 different locations in the building is where everything you know 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.680 how to navigate. But Saint Albans is a maze, hands down. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.119 I have heard people tell me that they feel like 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.040 the walls move and you know, the walk run way 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.960 and turn around and they're completely lost. 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.200 Like a labyrinth situation. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:53.280 It is. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.879 It is massive, absolutely massive. But the very first time 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.680 that we went, we were we were taking a tour 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.200 so that we wouldn't get lost. We did anyways, and 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.560 we were on the grand staircase walking up the steps 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.879 and we didn't know this at the time, but going 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.359 back and listening to the audio recordings, we recorded the 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:19.159 sound of this woman singing clear as day, to the 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.520 point that I almost skipped it, thinking that it was 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.280 like one of the team members. But we had heard 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.959 stories about Saint Albans about singing and whistling and all 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.480 these sorts of things, so we decided that we would 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.800 not do that specifically, just in case we caught anything 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:41.879 like that smart and it was, I mean, even to 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.320 this day, it's one of the clearest EVPs that I've 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.960 got recorded And wow, I knew, I mean, And that 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:51.320 was just the first thing we got. 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.080 We got two other pieces of class A EVPs. 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.119 One in what was referred to as Jacob's room and 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:03.080 another one immediately outside of it. And even in those 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:10.119 this entity individual said I am Jacob and then oh my, 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.200 poor little Jacob, and oh my gosh, just listening to those, 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.240 you know, you kind of have like the hair raise 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.359 on your back because it wasn't expected. This was this 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:24.120 was just during the tour. We hadn't even started investigating, 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.239 so it was it was. It was pretty cool, and 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.760 it's just kept us coming back every time. 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:31.159 Wow, I have loved that. 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:36.000 And so Jacob's room seems to be of particular interests, 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.600 Like who do you think Jacob is? 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.679 That is a great question and and I'm not sure 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:48.120 if I'm I'm terribly in the popular I guess belief 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.960 because I have this this strong feeling. So so as 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.160 the story goes, right, let's let's step back and talk 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.399 about who is Jacob? And right, So, so as the 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:03.040 story goes, Jacob is young boy that has abandoned right 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.240 at the asylum doors, right, and so the staff decide, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.639 and so it was a boy's uh school at one point, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.119 but when when Jacob is dropped off, it is not 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.560 a boys school. It is the asylum, and the staff decide, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:19.760 you know what, you know, what's a really great idea. 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.439 Let's bring this young little boy in. Let's give him 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:23.520 a bedroom. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.680 And let him stay with us, you know, instead of like, oh, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.000 I don't know, let's let's like get him to the 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.320 right you know, organization, and make sure that he gets 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.040 a loving family and he's adopted. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.320 No, no, no, let's leave raise him. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:37.280 In his sanitorium. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.160 It this is gonna be a great idea. Let's raise 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.639 him here in this insane asylum. Perfect idea. 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.479 And so so they gave him this room, right, and 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.479 he he lives there for a little bit in this 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:52.080 in in his room, and h one night the staff 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.840 forget to lock his door or one of the patients 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.040