1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the season six finale of Haunted Road. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: I want to remind you to please stay subscribed and 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: keep telling your friends about Haunted Road in the meantime 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 3: while we get more episodes in order, please come see 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: me in person. Head to amybrune dot com to see 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: if I'll be in your neck of the woods anytime soon. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: I've got a massive fall tour in the works, Walking 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: with Ghosts, True Crime Hauntings with Amy Bruney, and it 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: covers some of my most intense cases and evidence with 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 3: a true crime spin to each. Plus I bring some 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: of my favorite haunted artifacts along so you can get 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 3: to know them personally. 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I was sitting in the darkness, 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: peering down a long hallway, waiting for something, anything, to happen. 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: I'd heard noises at the end of the hall, and 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: I was determined to see if they were ghostly or 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: some sort of critter that had gotten in the space. 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: And that's when I saw it. The darkness seemed to 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: move on one side of the hall, the entire darkness. 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: It stirred a bit, and then a large portion of 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: what I assumed to be shadows broke loose from the 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: black space, and I could see it was humanoid in nature, 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: and it was crawling. As quick as I could register 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: what I was seeing, that same crawling thing scurried from 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: the floor, up the wall, across the ceiling, and disappeared 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: into a gaping chunk of the ceiling that had long 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: fallen and rotted away. I'd seen what we call a crawler, 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: and the place where headed this week is notorious for them. 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: Join me as we head to Saint Albans Sanatorium. I'm 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road, a pair of 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: stately brick buildings designed in the classic Revival style tower 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 3: on a bluff that looms over the New River in Radford, Virginia. 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: The two structures stand very near each other, just sixty 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: feet apart, while an eight foot wide corridor connects the two. 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 3: They're each two stories tall with dingy windows looking out 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: over the neatly mowed lawns, but the interior of each 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: building is anything but tidy or well maintained. The structures 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: are currently undergoing renovations, but if you walk a little 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: past the areas that have been restored, you'll find passageways 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: where the bluish white paint peels off crumbling walls. In 52 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: some places, large patches of plaster are visible. Even beneath 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: the decay, you can see hints of old glory. The 54 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: remains of an old grand staircase and a former sun 55 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: room still stand, the ladder of which is still brightly 56 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: lit thanks to the overhead skylights. There's even a modest 57 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 3: underground bowling alley with two lanes. The facility, known as 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: Saint Alban's Sanatorium, was originally constructed as a private prep 59 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: school for boys in eighteen ninety two. At the time, Radford, 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: Virginia was going through a period of transformation after numerous 61 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: Civil War battles had swept through the region, leaving destruction 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: in their While the town had only been formally incorporated 63 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: for less than a decade at that point, it had 64 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: also already changed. 65 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Its name once. 66 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: While Radford was redefining itself, the new school catered to 67 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: its wealthier residents. Once Saint Albans first opened its doors, 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: it had the capacity to serve fifty students, and the 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: inaugural class had thirty nine. Interestingly, the school only had 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: five teachers, counting the headmaster, who also owned the institution, 71 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: and almost all of them were completely inexperienced in education. 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: In fact, the headmaster was a lot more interested in 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: developing the athletics program than he was in academics. According 74 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: to Anne Stuart Beckett's report for the United States Department 75 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: of the Interior, the school had one of the top 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: football and baseball programs in all of the South during 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: his tenure. This was a big draw for prospective students. However, 78 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: in the early nineteen hundred that headmaster sold the institution 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: to pursue more profitable opportunities. Sadly again, this is according 80 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: to Anne Beckett, the new owners squandered the school's resources 81 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and good name. It soon became an open secret that 82 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: the students didn't respect anyone. Beckett reported that they were 83 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: verbally abusive to their professors, locals around town, and each other. 84 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: They drank to excess and destroyed property. In the yearbooks. 85 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: Whichever students wrote the copy openly bragged about beating up 86 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: their classmates. They also called them rude names in print. 87 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: In light of all of that, it was almost inevitable 88 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: that the local families would find other places to send 89 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: their children rather than send them to Saint Albans with 90 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: its bad reputation. Enrollment numbers declined year after year, until 91 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: finally the school had to be shuttered. After several years 92 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: spent sitting empty, the facilities sold again in nineteen fifteen. 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: This time around, the buyer was a man named doctor J. C. 94 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: King. 95 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: He had no background in the academics, but unlike some 96 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: of the former owners, he also had no interest in 97 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: owning or operating a school. King had previously worked in 98 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: a mental health institution, and after he acquired Saint Albans, 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: he converted it into a facility he called Saint Albans Sanatorium. 100 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 3: While the hospital was originally intended to focus on nervous 101 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: and emotional disorders, over time their mission expanded. At various periods, 102 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: they treated substance use disorders, alcohol abuse, and physical conditions 103 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: like syphilis. Doctor King, who lived on site, even provided 104 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: emergency medical care and delivered babies for locals who sought 105 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: his expertise. But in the beginning, there was a great 106 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: demand specifically for mental health treatment, so much so that 107 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: when the sanatorium first formerly own, opened its doors on 108 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: January sixteenth, nineteen sixteen, there were already four prospective patients 109 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: lined up outside. Those residents and the later ones found 110 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: a warm, welcoming home. In their book Haunted Asylums, Prisons 111 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: and Sanatoriums Inside Abandoned Institutions for the Crazy, criminal and Quarantined, 112 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: authors James Davis and Samuel Queen described the conditions in 113 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: very positive terms. They said that Saint Albans ran an 114 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: on site farm which provided fresh produce for the residents. 115 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: Their go to remedies included rest and relaxation, games of 116 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: croquet and tennis, and even massages. This was not the 117 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: norm when it came to mental health treatment in the 118 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: nineteen tens, so it's no surprise that patients flocked to 119 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: Saint Albans. Unfortunately, people didn't understand mental illness well in 120 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: that time, and this meant the sanatorium also prescribed treatments 121 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: that we'd consider barbe barrack today. It doesn't seem that 122 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: the doctors were acting out of malice or cruelty, merely ignorance. 123 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: According to the Roanoke Times, Saint Albans was the first 124 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: hospital in all of Virginia to adopt the then cutting 125 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: edge practice known as subcoma insulin shock therapy. The theory 126 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: behind it was that some mental health conditions could be 127 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: cured if the patients spent a few hours in a coma, 128 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: But the process the doctors used to induce these commas 129 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: was very dangerous and sometimes fatal, and sadly, even for 130 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: those patients who survived, the remedy was frequently ineffective. Still, 131 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: more and more patients checked in, and Saint Albans had 132 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: to add new beds to keep up with demand. They 133 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: built new additions in nineteen twenty six, then again in 134 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 3: nineteen fifty and once more between nineteen fifty four and 135 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: nineteen fifty five. In the midst of all this construction, 136 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty one, the sanatorium's owner, Doctor King, passed away, 137 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: his son, James took over. An article with the Martinsville 138 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: Bulletin reported that around this time the sanatorium experienced a 139 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: one hundred percent labor force turnover. Every single person who'd 140 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: worked under doctor King's supervision was either fired, laid off, 141 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: or resigned due to poor pay and a heavy workload. 142 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: There were simply too many patients for all of the 143 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: nurses and doctors to give them the care they needed, 144 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: and the staff was getting burnt out. James approved better 145 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: pay to try to stem the exodus, and after that 146 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: the hospital continued to operate for decades. It continued expanding 147 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: and adding new buildings until it finally shut its doors 148 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: for good in nineteen ninety four. Originally there were plans 149 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: to demolish it, but throughout the two thousands and early 150 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: twenty tens, local activists fought to preserve the facility. This 151 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: was in part due to its historical significance, but also 152 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: because by this point Saint Albans had earned a reputation 153 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: for being haunted. In fact, according to some Saint Albans 154 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: was called the most haunted location on the East Coast 155 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: after it secured a spot on the National Register of 156 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: Historic Places. In twenty twenty, Saint Albans became an historical 157 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: museum which also hosted ghost tours. Visitors who come on 158 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: these tours report all of the typical sides you see 159 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: in any haunted location. There are noises that don't have 160 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: a clear source, disembodied footsteps, voices, and even sounds of 161 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: merriment like laughter, singing, and whistling. A cold spot may 162 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: suddenly descend and then disperse just as quickly. Electronic devices 163 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: lose their charges rapidly. Guests get the sense that they're 164 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: being watched and might see objects move on their own. 165 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: As for the spirits that are thought to dwell there, 166 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: they have been known to be aggressive. Multiple guests came 167 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: away from their tours with deep scratch marks. Others got 168 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: burned so severe they left welts. There are several specific 169 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: specters who make regular appearances at Saint Albans, especially in 170 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: the boiler Room and the Bowling Alley, both of which 171 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: are hotspots for sightings. In the boiler room, female visitors 172 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: often feel as though some entity they can't see as 173 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 3: groping them or touching their hair. Much of the activity 174 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: in this room is attributed to a spirit that has 175 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: been nicknamed Smoky. It's thought to not be human, and 176 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: guests often leave it lit cigarettes as a sort of 177 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 3: peace offering. As for the basement, there's quite a bit 178 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: of debate about who exactly dwells there. 179 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: One story goes. 180 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: That a young woman was admitted to Saint Albans, then 181 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: passed away there the ghost of her daughter, a young girl, 182 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: now roams the basement searching for her departed mother. Other 183 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: account says the ghost is a woman named Gina renee Hall. 184 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: She was murdered in nineteen eighty by a man who 185 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: gave her a ride home from a nightclub. Her body 186 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: was never found, even after her killer was caught and convicted. 187 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: Some think her murderer might have burned it in the 188 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: Saint Alban's boiler, or he might have stashed her remains 189 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: away somewhere else on the property. Supposedly, if you say 190 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: Gina's name out loud while in the Bowling Alley, a 191 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: mist will appear before your eyes, as though you've summoned her. 192 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: The Bowling Alley is also home to a shadow figure 193 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: with striking red eyes, but ghost hunters don't need to 194 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: restrict themselves to the Bowling Alley, boiler room and basement 195 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: to have an encounter. Reports say a woman's spirit wanders 196 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: Saint Alban's halls carrying a baby. 197 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: She seems to be. 198 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: In her twenties or thirties and often wears a white 199 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: dress that looks like something from the late eighteen hundreds. 200 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: Typically she'll appear under the main staircase's archway. There are 201 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: also reports of a dark haired young girl, and one 202 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: ghost is said to be aggressive, with men rushing at 203 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: them when they encounter it. One of the most well 204 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: known spirits is a woman named Rebecca. It said that 205 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: she was pregnant while she was living at the hospital, 206 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: although accounts vary as to whether she was already expecting 207 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: when she checked in or if she conceived the child 208 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: during her stay. Either way, the baby didn't make it again. 209 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: There doesn't seem to be much consensus about what exactly 210 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: happened to it. Some stories say it was a stillbirth, 211 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: others say a miscarriage. There are even rumors which were 212 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: reported by Jody Arneson on the mid Atlantic Day Trips 213 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: website that sanatorium employees forced Rebecca to have an abortion 214 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: she did not want. Arneson also reported that after the 215 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: child passed, a heartbroken Rebecca kept its remains in ajar. 216 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: She treated it like a real living baby, rocking it 217 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: and singing Lalla. Eventually, the staff decided this was unhealthy 218 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: and they took the jar away from Rebecca to bury it. 219 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: Unable to deal with her loss, Rebecca marched into the 220 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: bathroom right next door to her room. There she took 221 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: her own life. She was one of several patients who 222 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: died by suicide in that very bathroom. Estimates put the 223 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: number at anywhere between three and twelve people. Today, visitors 224 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: who set foot in that bathroom or Rebecca's bedroom often 225 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: report that they feel an overwhelming sadness. Some burst into 226 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: tears without fully understanding why. There are also often sightings 227 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: of a pair of men, Jacob and Donald. It's unclear 228 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: who Jacob and Donald were in life, and there's no 229 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: historical record of either one, but there are various stories 230 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: that tried to explain their backgrounds. One goes that Jacob 231 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: was a young child who grew up in the sanatorium 232 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: after his parents gave him up. Donald was a pedophile 233 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: who worked at Saint all doing odd jobs and handiwork. 234 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: It's said that one night Donald sexually assaulted Jacob, then 235 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: killed the boy. After the deed was done, Now his 236 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: spirit tries to recreate the crime, coaxing male visitors into 237 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: his room and then into his closet. Evil Ogolville's article 238 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: to Catch a Preternatural Predator Donald of Saint Alban's Sanatorium, Radford, 239 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: Virginia suggests that Jacob's spirit is unable to move on 240 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: because Donald is still keeping him there within his grasp. 241 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: Another variation on this story goes that Donald didn't actually 242 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: kill Jacob, but he was falsely accused of the murder 243 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: after the young boy turned up dead. In this version, 244 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: Donald was an innocent gay man blame fell on him 245 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: solely due to the widespread homophobic attitudes of the time, 246 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: But there is absolutely no historical documentation to back any 247 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: of these stories up. Regardless of where the truth lies, 248 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: it's clear that the halls of Saint Alban's Sanatorium are 249 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: marked by sadness. Even though the staff seemed to want 250 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: the best for their patients during the hospital's operation, they 251 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: couldn't be everything they needed. Every human life has a 252 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: certain amount of tragedy, and when you exacerbate that with 253 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: mental illness and a poor understanding of how to treat it, 254 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: it seems inevitable that some of that pain will linger permanently. 255 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: So today I am talking to Steve Dills. He is 256 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: a paranormal investigator and researcher who has spent quite a 257 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: bit of time at Saint Albans and he has some 258 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: of the wildest stories I have heard on Haunted Road. 259 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: Yet that is coming up after the break. All right, 260 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: I am now joined by Steve Dills, who is a 261 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: paranormal investigator and researcher and has investigated and visited Saint 262 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: Albans many times. So Steve, why don't you tell me 263 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: what team you're from and what it is you do 264 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: exact Hey? 265 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: Sure? So again, my name is Steve Dill's. 266 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: I am the director of Transcend Paranormal or a paranormal 267 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: team that operates in central Virginia and we do quite 268 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: a bit of traveling, but we also partner with historical 269 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: locations throughout Virginia and surrounding states and we host you know, 270 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: ghost tours, public investigations, lectures, presentations, hold nine yards and 271 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the proceeds goes directly to the 272 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: historic locations that we're working with. 273 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, we talk about 274 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: that a lot on the show. Here about that really 275 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 3: lovely byproduct of paranormal research and investigation that sometimes we 276 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: can actually help some of these historical locations financially. You know, 277 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: regardless of how you feel about ghosts and hauntings or 278 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: if you believe in them or not, there are some 279 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: really great work that comes out of this. So I 280 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: really admire that. That's really awesome. 281 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's a really cool way to kind 282 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: of I guess it's a different lens that you get 283 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: to explore and kind of pack history. So it's kind 284 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: of fun to flip something on its side and take 285 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: a look at it from a different angle. 286 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. 287 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, seriously, Virginia, You've got a lot 288 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: of history going on there, so you're. 289 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 1: You're in an area right for research. I love it. 290 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: Full disclosure for my listeners and for you Steep, because 291 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: I did not tell you this, but I am currently 292 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: recording this. We're on vacation. Anyone who follows me online 293 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: knows I'm here a lot, but we're on vacation at 294 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: Disney World, which is lovely. But that also means that 295 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: there are ferries. 296 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: In the background. 297 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: And if you hear a horn, it's not a ghost 298 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: horn like a it's a water taxi horn. And if 299 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 3: you hear voices, it's probably housekeeping. So I know sometimes 300 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: people hear voices in the background when I'm recording at home, 301 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: which I do not have an explanation for, but this 302 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: I do. 303 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: But anyways, we're in line for the Haunted Mansion right now. 304 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: I may have to leave. 305 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 3: I might have to go ride the ride really fast 306 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: if only, oh my gosh, I would be amazing. But 307 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: later today that is on our agenda. Anyways, how did 308 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: you become involved with Saint Albans or how did you 309 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: come to investigate there? 310 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Gosh, I actually went up there just for an event 311 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: one year, and I heard, you know, I heard a 312 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: bunch about Saint Albans. You gotta go, you gotta go. 313 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's one of the most honed locations 314 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: on the East Coast. I'm like, all right, well it's 315 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's about a two hour three hour driver. 316 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: So and just decided to like okay doing it. And 317 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 2: after that the first time I was, I was pretty hooked. 318 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: And so, you know, we we ended up booking Saint 319 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: Albans privately a couple of times and then met the 320 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: teams that kind of help and and focus a lot 321 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: of their time and energy and volunteer at Saint Albans, 322 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 2: and I don't know, just became friends. And so we 323 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: go up there every so often and try to help 324 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 2: and support them with their events. And then a lot 325 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: of times we still you know, rented out ourselves because 326 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, I love Saint Albans. It's it's something 327 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: that just keeps bringing you back. 328 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: I love that. 329 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: When did you know, like when you what was the 330 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: first time that you really had some sort of experience 331 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: there or vibe there that you knew like this is 332 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: something special, There's something definitely going on here. 333 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 334 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: Like the very first time that we we rented out 335 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: the building, very first time that we went and investigated, 336 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: we were actually on the you know, like the tour. 337 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: So when you go and investigate Saint Albans, first off, 338 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: they will they will all for a tour, so you can, 339 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: you know, they'll show you kind of where all the 340 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: different locations in the building is where everything you know 341 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: how to navigate. But Saint Albans is a maze, hands down. 342 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: I have heard people tell me that they feel like 343 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: the walls move and you know, the walk run way 344 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: and turn around and they're completely lost. 345 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: Like a labyrinth situation. 346 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: It is. 347 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: It is massive, absolutely massive. But the very first time 348 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: that we went, we were we were taking a tour 349 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: so that we wouldn't get lost. We did anyways, and 350 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: we were on the grand staircase walking up the steps 351 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: and we didn't know this at the time, but going 352 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: back and listening to the audio recordings, we recorded the 353 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: sound of this woman singing clear as day, to the 354 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: point that I almost skipped it, thinking that it was 355 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: like one of the team members. But we had heard 356 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 2: stories about Saint Albans about singing and whistling and all 357 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: these sorts of things, so we decided that we would 358 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: not do that specifically, just in case we caught anything 359 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: like that smart and it was, I mean, even to 360 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: this day, it's one of the clearest EVPs that I've 361 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: got recorded And wow, I knew, I mean, And that 362 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: was just the first thing we got. 363 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: We got two other pieces of class A EVPs. 364 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: One in what was referred to as Jacob's room and 365 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: another one immediately outside of it. And even in those 366 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: this entity individual said I am Jacob and then oh my, 367 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: poor little Jacob, and oh my gosh, just listening to those, 368 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, you kind of have like the hair raise 369 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: on your back because it wasn't expected. This was this 370 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: was just during the tour. We hadn't even started investigating, 371 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: so it was it was. It was pretty cool, and 372 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: it's just kept us coming back every time. 373 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: Wow, I have loved that. 374 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: And so Jacob's room seems to be of particular interests, 375 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: Like who do you think Jacob is? 376 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: That is a great question and and I'm not sure 377 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: if I'm I'm terribly in the popular I guess belief 378 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: because I have this this strong feeling. So so as 379 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: the story goes, right, let's let's step back and talk 380 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 2: about who is Jacob? And right, So, so as the 381 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: story goes, Jacob is young boy that has abandoned right 382 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: at the asylum doors, right, and so the staff decide, 383 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: and so it was a boy's uh school at one point, 384 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: but when when Jacob is dropped off, it is not 385 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: a boys school. It is the asylum, and the staff decide, 386 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: you know what, you know, what's a really great idea. 387 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 4: Let's bring this young little boy in. Let's give him 388 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: a bedroom. 389 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: And let him stay with us, you know, instead of like, oh, 390 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, let's let's like get him to the 391 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: right you know, organization, and make sure that he gets 392 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: a loving family and he's adopted. 393 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 4: No, no, no, let's leave raise him. 394 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: In his sanitorium. 395 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 4: It this is gonna be a great idea. Let's raise 396 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 4: him here in this insane asylum. Perfect idea. 397 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 2: And so so they gave him this room, right, and 398 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 2: he he lives there for a little bit in this 399 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: in in his room, and h one night the staff 400 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: forget to lock his door or one of the patients 401 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: finds keys somehow gets into Jacob's room. And I'm gonna 402 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: skip kind of some of the nastier side of this, 403 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: but Jacob ends up passing away, right, And so when 404 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: when teams go in and investigate, right, they focus on 405 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: this story that Jacob is this young boy and you know, 406 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: he was murdered and all these sorts of things. And 407 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: you walk into Jacob's room and there's a bunch of 408 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: toys on the ground, there's a bunch of kids books, 409 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: so on and so forth. Looking back historically, myself and 410 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: a number of other folks have not been able to 411 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 2: find any actual proof that a young boy named Jacob 412 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: was ever at the asylum in any capacity. Yeah, and 413 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: so to me it's hard because I feel like if 414 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: there was a young boy there, there'd be some sort 415 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: of documentation. 416 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: Right, there'd be some men in a newspaper article something, 417 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 3: because that's very interesting, just raising a little boy in 418 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: that situation. 419 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, it's not even heart it's just like 420 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: it's weird. 421 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: And so my thought is that maybe Jacob isn't necessarily 422 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: a little boy in the sense of age, but it's 423 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: somebody that was a patient that maybe had split personality, 424 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: multiple personality, and Jacob was one of those personalities. This 425 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: young boy that is is a victim. And to me, 426 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: you know, that makes a lot more sense with the 427 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: history of the building and the timeline of Jacob being 428 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: dropped off, is maybe this was an individual that one 429 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: of their personalities was Jacob. This young boy like to 430 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: play with toys, you know, those sorts of things that 431 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: to me makes a lot more sense than a little 432 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: boy being dropped off. 433 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that does. 434 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: Now, what do you think of maybe the potential that 435 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 3: this this Jacob identity has been so kind of so built, right, 436 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: so built and accepted by investigators and they talk about 437 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: him constantly. Do you think it's kind of it could 438 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: be like kind of a Philip experiment moment where they've 439 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: kind of spoken Jacob into being like he's kind of 440 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: what there's some sort of agrigor tulpa situation going on. 441 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: I could see that too. 442 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 4: Hundred percent absolutely. 443 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: And then that's the other That's the other piece that 444 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: that about that too, is is so many people focus 445 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: on that story, right, Like you said, so many people everybody. 446 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: If you just google Saint alban Sanatorium, I will, I 447 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: will guarantee you you'll find something about Jacob immediately. 448 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 449 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and that story, like you said, it's just 450 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: it's just so widely spread and passed around that I 451 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that there is a very 452 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: strong opportunity that this could be something very similar to 453 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: the Philip experiment. So many people are talking about it, 454 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: and and especially you go in and you focus all 455 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: that energy about you know, Jacob Jacob, Jacob Jacob. I 456 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 2: think that it very well, could be something that we 457 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 2: have as a byproduct of investigating. 458 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: Yea, And they're bringing him toys and gifts. That's so 459 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: interesting And it's funny too because there are probably you know, 460 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: there are I'm sure there's no shortage of spirits there. 461 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: And can you imagine being one of the other ghosts 462 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, enough about Jacob here I am, 463 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 3: I'm right here. 464 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, I don't get toys exactly. 465 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 4: It's like it's like the next room over and it's 466 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 4: just come on, we're a little spirit. You're just kind 467 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: of like peeking out around the door. Anybody want to 468 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 4: come into it? 469 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Seriously? 470 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 3: Well, I find that to be very interesting and so 471 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: all right, so you've got great EVPs. You have these 472 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: interactions and these stories like have you ever seen anything there? Like, 473 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: have you ever seen an apparition or any sort of 474 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: light normalist? Okay, what what was the most striking thing 475 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: that you've seen there? 476 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: So so this is not something I mean, I've seen things, 477 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: but one of the most interesting things was actually a 478 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 2: buddy of mine, Alan Marston, and Alan lives pretty close there, 479 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: so he's up there all the time, and I want 480 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: to share what he experienced and saw because Alan's like 481 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: a brother and me and I absolutely trust this man 482 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 2: my life. So so Alan was up there, he had 483 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: gone up and he was helping them, you know, clean 484 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: up and work and all that sort of stuff. And 485 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: so he stayed with some of his family and investigated 486 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: one evening and scene all beens. You know, first off, 487 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: it's it's a paranormal research center. Folks can can rent 488 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: it out, but they closed down kind of during the fall, 489 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: like September October, and they have a haunted house that 490 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: operates throughout the entire building. And so this is a 491 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: little bit before Alan is investigating. He's walking through the 492 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: building and he had just passed the Grand staircase and 493 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: there is a for those of that have been to 494 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: Saint Albans, you walk past the Grand Staircase, there's a 495 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: smaller stairwell on the left hand side that's kind of 496 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: towards what is referred to as the King Center. And 497 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: Alan's walking by and he kind of shines his flashlight 498 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: to look down the steps, and as he does, there 499 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: is a man standing there in a black kind of 500 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: like robe and a pig mask. No way like straight 501 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: out of Saw, you know, and Alan looks directly. This 502 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: person makes eye contact with them, and Alan says he 503 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: could see the fear in this man's eyes that like 504 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: he was startled that he was looking at Alan and 505 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: Alan and was looking at him. And so whomever this 506 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: was in this pig mask immediately turns to go like 507 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: down the steps and then disappears. 508 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: It disappears in front of him, like you can see. 509 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: In front, right in front of Alan just just disappears gone. 510 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: And I I mean, I don't know, there's so many 511 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: creepy aspects of this, right, You've got You've got Alan there, 512 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: and he looks down the stairwell right like the creepy 513 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: stairs down and there's a man walking up. And if 514 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: you've ever watched Saw, you're like, oh god, you know, 515 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: pig Mask bad news. 516 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: I haven't watched it because I am terrified of scary movies, 517 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: but I know the image watch it, Yeah. 518 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: I mean it's it's incredibly gory. 519 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the gory ones. 520 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't really like yeah, no, no, no, no, anyway, I agree, 521 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: I digress. 522 00:30:59,320 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I do that a lot. 523 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: Uh So, So he looks down and he sees, you know, 524 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: this person like, to me, it is it is one 525 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: of the most interesting things and experiences to dissect, right, 526 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: because Alan is startled to see this full body apparision, 527 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: this figure walking up the steps. But the fact that 528 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: he makes eye contact with with whatever this is and 529 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: it itself is also startled, I think is just absolutely 530 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: interesting because we have this this idea that ghosts, spirit entities, 531 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: whatever you want to refer to the matters are kind 532 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: of like omnipotent, like they they they know what you're doing, right, 533 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: They're like Santa Claus, and you know, if they're walking 534 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: up the steps, they're they're aware that you're up there. 535 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: You know, their intent is to do either whatever they're 536 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: doing or to secure you. 537 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 4: Right. 538 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: But the fact that whatever this was was was just 539 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: as startled as Alan to me is very very interesting 540 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: because the challenges, you know, kind of like the basic 541 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: you know, ghost trope that we've kind of pushed out there. 542 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love it. 543 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: Because it's like, was this individual actually, you know, if 544 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: we if we go with the basic our ghosts stead people, 545 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: was this somebody that had passed on and they had 546 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: been part of the haunted house experience at one point 547 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: and they're kind of you know, reliving out, you know, 548 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: some fun piece of this. But then if so, why 549 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: were they startled to see Alan? That would that would 550 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: suggest that this wasn't just you know, something occurring, but 551 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: this was an intelligent experience. 552 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 4: So so is. 553 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: There something more where we kind of butted up maybe 554 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: against another you know, another universe or another reality and 555 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: we just you know, Alan just got a perfect view 556 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: right through a window and it just just so happened 557 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: to startle both of them. 558 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot to unpack, you know. It's just 559 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: like just the sheer like appearance of this form, obviously 560 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: on its own, is very strange. Makes sense for the 561 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: time of year and what's going on there, but not 562 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: in the sense that there should be anyone there. And 563 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: then yeah, it does bring to mind like is this 564 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 3: someone coming back and like reliving their haunted house? 565 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm is there? 566 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: Did they did they die in the pig mask? Do 567 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: they like wearing the you know what? 568 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: I mean? 569 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: So many questions. 570 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: That that's so, that is a really wild story. People 571 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 3: must see all sorts of apparitions there, like they must. 572 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think are the most common 573 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: reports other than pig man oh Man? 574 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: So so in terms of the most common and I 575 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: will tell you I've seen personally. I've seen this thing 576 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: numerous times is what is referred to as the crawler. 577 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: And I'm sure Amy you've you've heard of references of 578 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: these things. 579 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen them, yes, yeah. 580 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: And it's it's just this this humanoid kind of figure 581 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: that is almost like a shadow and crawling on all fours, 582 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: on the floor, on the walls, on the ceilings, you 583 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: name it. It just it just loves us to get everything. 584 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: I have seen this down hallways. I've seen this thing 585 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: walk past me. I've seen whatever this thing is probably 586 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: seven feet from me crawling out of a room in 587 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: drunk tank, as I referred to it as. And it's 588 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 2: it's creepy. Actually, I actually watched this thing and it 589 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: was kind of like it had a gate of like 590 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: a cat. Yeah, and it just kind of like crawled 591 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: out of one of the one of the rooms and 592 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: and just kind of scuttled down the hallway. And there 593 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: were three of us that were standing there watching this thing. 594 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: I ran after it because I'm full of bad decisions, 595 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: and so did one of my other teammates. My third 596 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: teammate decided that was enough and he started going the 597 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: opposite direction, but the crawler is probably one of the 598 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: most prolific. 599 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 4: You know, you'll look. 600 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: Down a hallway and you'll just see, you know, this 601 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: this silhouette for like a brief second of something on 602 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: all fours and folks have reported seeing that time and 603 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: time again. 604 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. Those seem to appear in 605 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: that setting very often. Like that sort of setting. 606 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about sanatoriums, asylums, prisons, 607 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 3: you name it, Like they seem to spawn that type 608 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: of apparition or anomaly, and I don't know if it's 609 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 3: whatever energy there was or whatever happened there before creates 610 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 3: that type of energy. 611 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: Emotion, you know, the emotional drain the energy. 612 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just really interesting. 613 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 3: And then again kind of going back like talking about Jacob, 614 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 3: like people start to expect to see it, and like 615 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: I've investigated people where you know, the crawlers as we 616 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: call them, have been seen, and they just fixate on that. 617 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: They are terrified to see that. 618 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 3: So I think they sit in the dark and they're 619 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: just like, of all the things here, I could see 620 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 3: a crawler, you know, and it just defies all logic 621 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 3: when you do actually see one. 622 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like like you said, it's it always 623 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: seems to be these like creepy like I've never heard 624 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: of somebody being like, oh yeah, is that the haunted Airbnb? 625 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: And or like the haunted bed and breakfast and I 626 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: saw a crawler come out we were eating breakfast. 627 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 4: You know, it's always like oh. 628 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: Wait, it's always in the extreme responts and and like 629 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: you said, I think people do fixate on it and 630 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: and they get terrified. And I sometimes I think, and 631 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 2: I know we're completely tangent right now on on the 632 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: the prolif experience there, but I do think Saint Albans 633 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: kind of gives you what you want. Yeah, you know, 634 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: in a sense like if you're if you're going in 635 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: there and you're trying to have an experience or you're 636 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: trying to see something. 637 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 4: I don't know. 638 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: There's there's this interesting idea that we've been toying with 639 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 2: that that Saint Albans can kind of collectively understand, Okay, well, 640 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: this guy's looking for this, so let's let's give him 641 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: an experience. And we've been we've been kind of testing 642 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: that out a little bit as we've been returning to 643 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: Saint Albans and and just implanting these ideas in our 644 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: mind of this is what we want to see this time, 645 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: this is all we want to see next time, this 646 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: is what we want to see, you know, the time 647 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: after that. And and interestingly enough, we've we've had some 648 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 2: of those experiences just. 649 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 4: Very very tailored. It's it's the weirdest thing. 650 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: It's kind of becoming its own, its own self. You know, 651 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 3: it has its own consciousness and it and it can 652 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: read you, which is pretty wild. I love that experiment. 653 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: And it's so you're so privileged to be able to 654 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 3: kind of investigate a place like that over and over 655 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 3: again where you can kind of put something like that 656 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 3: into motion. I think that's so interesting. 657 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we work with you know, we work 658 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 2: with some of the other teams like Bedford Paranormal and 659 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: Mountain Spirits up there, and you know, they worked very 660 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 2: very closely with Saint Albans. You do a lot of volunteering. 661 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 2: They're up their host and events all the time, help 662 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: them fundraise. And the fun thing is, you know, they're 663 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: kind of like a second family to me, like I 664 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: know them. 665 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 4: We talk often. 666 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: We talked about non paranormal things, right and it's fun 667 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: because we get to not only just ourselves kind of 668 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: try this experiment, but they get involved too, and they're 669 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: up there all the time. So it's really neat to 670 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 2: have the ability to not just be like dark tourism, 671 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 2: as I referred to it, where you go one time. 672 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 2: You know, we get to go time and time again 673 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 2: over years and collect data and experiences and all these 674 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: sorts of things. And it's a very unique opportunity. You 675 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 2: don't get to do that all the time. 676 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: Wow, thrilling for you. I'm very jealous. 677 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 4: So I will calm down. 678 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: I want to. I will. 679 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 3: Actually, you know, I've said this multiple times this season. 680 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 3: I sound like a broken record, but I've been doing 681 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 3: so many locations this season of Haunted Road that I 682 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 3: haven't been to yet. In Saint Albans is one of them, 683 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 3: and so I fully intend to. 684 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: Make it there. 685 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 3: I've heard really lovely things, and you've been a wonderful guest. 686 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 3: I just want to thank you so much. I know 687 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: I chased you around a little bit. Shout out to 688 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: my friend Becky Gallentine, who put us in touch with 689 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: each other. 690 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Becky. 691 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been great and I hope. Yeah, I hope 692 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 3: to get there soon. So thank you so much for 693 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: the intel and congratulations on all the lovely work you're doing. 694 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 4: Thank you and make sure you send pictures of the 695 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 4: Hunted Mansion. Oh, I will for sure absolutely favorite ride. 696 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 4: It's the only haunted house in the entire America. Is Mansion. 697 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing, There's nothing else. Thank you, Steve, Thank you. 698 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 4: Enjoy. 699 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 3: Many people came to Saint Alban Sanatorium in the hope 700 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 3: that they could get treatment and help, and some of 701 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 3: them were right. It's important that we don't disregard those 702 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 3: patients success stories and happy endings. 703 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: As for those. 704 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 3: Who remain restless, still seeking peace, we can hold them 705 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 3: in our hearts and show our respect when we visit 706 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 3: the facility from which they may never check out. I'm 707 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 3: Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. 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