1 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did Woer? The 2 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: history podcast that is Not Your history class with me 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books. 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: So I've fainted in work today, I know, I know, 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I just threw that in there. Just started off strong 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: with fainting at my place of employment, which was a 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: wee bit embarrassing and like a tiny bit concerning because like, 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: for why for why did I faint? That was very unpleasant. 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate that at all, zero out of five styles, 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, why am I deficient in something? Like 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: what is going on? Because I know I'm getting enough 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: iron between you know, the meat I heat and the cereals, 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: so there should be that that and the supplements, right, 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I take my vitamins, so one would assume 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: that they do, you know, get absorbed and then I 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: hope they get absorbed very expensive, so like I should 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: be fine, So that leaves some kind of illness and 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, maybe that's you know, connected to the 19 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: excruciating pen that I've been in the last couple of days. 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: And I went to quite a lot of back pain, 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: more than usual, more more, which is again concelling, and 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: I thought maybe they're connected. And then I was telling 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: a coworker about my weekend and I was saying, oh, 24 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: I was in the pool with the kids, and then 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: the swimming lesson started, so they cordoned off part of 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: the pool and so it's quite deep. So my door 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: was on my back, and like I was giving her 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: piggybacks in the water, and she was like, hey, hey, 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: maybe you were giving piggybacks in the water. Maybe that's 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: what hurt your back. 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, perhaps that could be what 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: that is. 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Perhaps that could be the issue. Yeah, doesn't explain the fainting, 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: but you know that is, that is something. But I 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Kerrie, quite your gibble 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: jabble in fact me, in fact you I Well, but 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: first we've got to get our source on. Our sources 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: are Ten Days in a Madhouse by Nellie Bly, Eighty 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: Days Nellie Bly and Elizabeth Bislin's History Making Race Around 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: the World by Matthew Goodman, Nellie Bly by Athel Fritz, 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Sensational The Head History of America's Girls Stunt Reporters by 42 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Kim Todd, Nellie Bly, Girl Reporter, Dear Devil Journalist by 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: Jane Garrison. And of course we have our old favorites 44 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: biography dot com and History dot com. Also in comfortably 45 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: good Let's begin. Nellie Bly was born Elizabeth Jane Cochrane 46 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: on the fifth of May eighteen sixty four in the 47 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Burrow Township, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh that is 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, United States of America. For those of you 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: who do not know, so this area which is now 50 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: like Burrough Township, it used to be known as Cochrane Mills. Now, 51 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: if you may notice that her original born in was 52 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jane Cochrane, that is not a coincidence because Cochrane 53 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: Mills is named after her father, Michael Cochrane, who started 54 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: off as a mill worker who worked his way up 55 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: and eventually ended up buying a local mill and the 56 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: surrounding lands, so the lands around the mill and his 57 00:03:54,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: family farmhouse. Now, he is very important. Might even go 58 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: as for her as to call him a high value male. 59 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, Michael Cochrane, he is, he's kind of a 60 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: big deal, you know what I mean. And he also, 61 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, clearly was. 62 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: A very very well fellow, right because the man clearly 63 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 2: was getting some because he had buckets and buckets of kids. 64 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: Okay, so Michael was married twice. With his first wife, 65 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: Katherine Murphy, he had ten children. Ten all right, Now 66 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think any more 67 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: than three is quite a lot of children to deal with. 68 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: So Katherine Murphy gives birth ten whole times. Now, eventually, 69 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: after she has ten children, she dies. Now Michael is 70 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: a man with ten children. This very important man is 71 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: quite busy and has ten children. So he is the 72 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: local postmaster as well. Like he's kind of got his 73 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: fingers and many pies and more than one woman, apparently, 74 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: because the postmaster needs a wife, and so he marries 75 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Mary Jane Kennedy, with whom he had five more children. 76 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Now this is clearly I'm gonna say it an Irish 77 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: town because the name Cochrane. First of all. Then we 78 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: have a Murphy. Now we've got Kennedy. Oh, come on, 79 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: this is now settler town. So Nellie here, young Elizabeth 80 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: as she was then known, is from the second marriage, 81 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: and she is his thirteenth daughter. He has fifteen children. 82 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Michael here seem to be producing a lot of girls. Right, 83 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: so he's got thirteen dollars and two boys. Now here's 84 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: where the issue is. Because Michael, what happens is he 85 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: dies when Elizabeth is only six years old, which is 86 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: obviously sad okay, but also in addition, furthermore, it is 87 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a problem because when he kicks the bucket, 88 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: he does so without leaving a will. Now I don't 89 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: know who needs to hear this sidebar, but if you 90 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: don't have a will, and you have the means in 91 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: which to have a will, get a fucking will drawn up, right, 92 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: because you need legal documents because otherwise it can lead 93 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: to just hassle after you die. Now you're dead, then 94 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: it will matter to you. So you can just do 95 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: whatever you want with your will and have it sealed 96 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: until your death, and then you can do whatever you want. 97 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: People just have to deal with the consequences of that 98 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: as long as you're of like sound mind and stuff, 99 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: which means you need to do it like sooner rather 100 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: than letter. So, yeah, you need to sort out your 101 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: will lads, because I know people who don't have wills 102 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: because they think it's tempting fate, which is stupid. Two 103 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: reasons I'm gonna go into it. It wasn't but I 104 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: am you cannot tempt fate, okay, because even if fate 105 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: were real, right, then you believe that everything is preordained 106 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: and destined and is going to happen. To matter what, 107 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: things will happen for a reason they are going to happen, 108 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: which means fate is locked in. You cannot tempt it. Okay, 109 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Just get a well done ourseholes right, because people fight 110 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: over money, people kill over money and land, and honestly, 111 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: oh it's such a hassle, So get your will done up. 112 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: So Mary Jane Kennedy, she is the second wife, right, 113 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: so she and unlike you know, his sons, she has 114 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: no legal claim to his estate. And so Nelly starts 115 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: life in a very privileged place. But after the death 116 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: of her father, it's not exactly the easiest of situations, 117 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: Like they can't even afford to keep their home or 118 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: maintain the lands, right, so they move away. Now Mary 119 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Jane Mary Jane Kennedy slash Cochrane remarries. But the guy 120 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: she marries is a dick. And before you said to me, Kerry, 121 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: you think every man is a dick. First of all, no, 122 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: I do not. Some of my best friends are men. 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Second of all, you know, he was a dick. He 124 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: was abusive to the point that she divorces him. Do 125 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you know how difficult it was to obtain a divorce 126 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, Like, it's not an easy task 127 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: to do, and they really need to be like a 128 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: pure solid, like one hundred percent justification that this guy 129 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: is an absolute dick in a legal sense, that you 130 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: have to be separated from him, and so they split. 131 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: When Nelly is like fourteen fifteen, she enrolls in the 132 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: Indiana Normal School, which is now the Indiana University of Pennsylvania. 133 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: So if you don't know, the Indiana Normal School was 134 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: an institution created to train teachers, right, so it was 135 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: a trained teachers to work in the Commonwealth schools. Okay, 136 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: So Nelly's plan here was to become a teacher, like 137 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: that was her goal. Now she only lasts one term 138 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: because the family simply cannot afford it, right, They just 139 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: can't afford for her to go to like this higher 140 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: level of education. Now, Nellie, so as she's grown up, right, 141 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: she has this nickname like Pinky. The reason she's called 142 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: pinky wait for it, wait for it, she wears a 143 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: lot of pink, right, so like her Lord and Savior, 144 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Miss Piggy, she likes pink, and so she gets called 145 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: this growing up, and she doesn't want this childish nickname anymore. 146 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: And so when she actually attends the Indiana Teacher's College, 147 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: right she stops being called Pinky and adds an e 148 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: on to the end of cochrane to sound more sophisticated. 149 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: By adding an e sidebar, I know I'm doing it again. 150 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: So the thing about nicknames is is I've been called 151 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: Katie most of my life. It's not my legal name, 152 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: it's just what everybody called me. Now here's a fun thing. 153 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: Is At one point, I think I was in college 154 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: and I had an auntie who was like, I'm gonna 155 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: call you Kate from now on because I think Kerrie 156 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: is such a you know, childish name. And I was like, no, 157 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: I like it. It was like everyone's called me it. 158 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: I like it as a name. Now I will basically 159 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: answer to most variations of it, like you'd be surprised 160 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: what I would respond to, by the way. For you, 161 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: they were like, it's really childish. I want to change it, 162 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, no, thank you. So the year 163 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: after Nelly dropped out the family upsticks and moves to 164 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: Alleghany City, which is now part of Pittsburgh. So Mary 165 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: Jane and Nelly they run a boarding house because it 166 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: is one of the few career options available for women 167 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: in this era, which leads me to a newspaper, the 168 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Dispatch, which has a column called what Girls Are 169 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Good For. It basically reads like a tradwife mission statement 170 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: women slash girls are only good for keeping house and 171 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: burthing them babies. Nelly, as one can imagine, is less 172 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: than impressed by this column, and so she writes a 173 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: response under a pseudonym, of course, the pseudonym lonely orphan Girl. Nelly, 174 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: you speak a little bitch. What are you doing like 175 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: lonely orphan girl? I would like to remind everyone that 176 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: the initials to that are log There was a choice. 177 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: There was a choice that was made. So Nelly as 178 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: Lonely orphan Girl absolutely destroys the collumn and the editor, 179 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: George Madden, is so impressed by this that he wants 180 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: the author to come forward like he publishes an ad 181 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: in his paper offering the writer a job. You know what, No, 182 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm turning two pages at once with that one basically 183 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: he puts out this ad and he's like, who are you? 184 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: Who is she who's writing this? Identify yourself, and so 185 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: she does. And when she does introduce herself to him, 186 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: he's just like, would you like to write a piece 187 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: from my newspaper? Of course, under your pseudonym Lonely Orphan Girl. 188 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Nellie takes him up on his offer because clearly she's 189 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: got the smarts, but also because this is a paid 190 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: opportunity and you have bills to pay. You know, they're 191 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: running a boarding house. They don't have a lot of 192 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: other opportunities because it's the eighteen seventies or eighteen eighties 193 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: at this point. She needs she needs the money, you 194 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so for the dispatch, she 195 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: writes under the pseudonym log Lonely Orphan Girl and writes 196 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: the Girl Puzzle. And in this she argues that not 197 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: all women should marry or would marry, and that women 198 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: don't need married opportunities necessarily. What they do need are 199 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: better jobs. There needs to be more employment opportunities for 200 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: women because there basically aren't any. After this, like, she 201 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: changes her pseudonym from like Lonely Orphan Girl to Nelly 202 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: Bly and the reason she chooses Nelly Blyy is probably 203 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: because Nelly is one of those names that's short for Elizabeth, 204 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: like Ellie and Nelly and Betty and Lizbeth and Lily 205 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: bit and Beth and probably more than I didn't have there. 206 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: So she changed it to that not only because that, 207 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: but there is a song a right, there's a song 208 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: by Stephen Foster and the Well, the main character in 209 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: that song is called Nelly Bly and so she's like, 210 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: let's use this. It's you know, it's common, it's contemporary. 211 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: It's like pretty good, okay, now Nelly and Nelly Bly. 212 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: The song is spelt with a y, but Nelly her 213 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: name is spelt with an ie because the editor made 214 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: a mistake and they're like, that's fine, it'll do. And 215 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I think it's also by giving her like a full 216 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: name synonym, it's sort of moving up because lonely, orphan girl. 217 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Apart from the fact that it's very vague, it's also 218 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: could be misconstrued as sort of young and childish, whereas 219 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: having a name name kind of gives a little bit 220 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: more authority behind it. So her second article was about 221 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: how divorce affects women. Right. It was called mad marriages. 222 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: She argued about how women were disadvantaged upon divorce because 223 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: men could just turn the women out, keep her downright 224 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: if they had one, and they had custody for the 225 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: kids or like all the kids. And so she's like 226 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: fighting for divorce reform here, like, that's not something you did. 227 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: And Nelly, she is she's writing for the Dispatch and 228 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: she is earning five dollars a week, which in today's 229 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: money is one hundred and sixty four dollars and eighty 230 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: four cents. So she's writing for them full time by 231 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: the time she's twenty one, and a lot of her 232 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: work focused on working class women. And this is when 233 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: she starts investigating. Nellie starts doing these investigative articles. She 234 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: goes undercover as an impoverished lady to get a job 235 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: as a factory girl at a copper cable factory. So 236 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: she goes in to get the job, and she writes 237 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: an expose on the absolutely terrible working conditions that women 238 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: and children faced. And this is not the kind of 239 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: stuff that men would read about because it didn't affect them. 240 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: It sort of reminds me of Kate Warne, the Pinkerton detective, 241 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: and she was the first detective in her female detective 242 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: in the USA, and so she would get into places 243 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: that other people couldn't because she was a woman. She 244 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: could investigate what others couldn't because she was a woman. 245 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: And Nellie is doing that as well. So she's doing 246 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: these expose she's writing these pieces and factory workers loved 247 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: her pieces, but you know who didn't. Factory owners. The 248 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: big bosses sent complaints to the newspaper, so that Nelly 249 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: gets reassigned because they were very unhappy that she was 250 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: exposing the terrible working conditions for women and children. So 251 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: she gets moved elsewhere. She gets moved to like I 252 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: don't want to call it, like the ladies pages. So 253 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: she's writing about flower ranging and fashion, etc. Lady topics 254 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: for ladies, the society papers, who is who, Who's in? 255 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: Who was out? Oh, like lady whistled down, except not 256 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: that arsed about it, to be honest, because she right 257 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: cannot stand it. And so she ends up moving to Mexico. Right, 258 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: She's just like, I'm done. I can't be dealing with this. 259 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: She moves to Mexico for six months to write a 260 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: report that will become a book called Six Months in Mexico. 261 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: So she's sending these dispatches to the Dispatch, and they 262 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: are all about Mexican people, their lives and customs, and 263 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: also reporting stuff like the imprisonment of a local journalist 264 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: who was put in the clink for criticizing the Mexican government, 265 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: which was a dictatorship at the time. So these dispatches 266 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: are being sent back to Pittsburgh, and when the Mexican 267 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: government discovers these reports, well they threaten to arrest Nelly, 268 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: and so she has to straight up flee back into 269 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: the US. Right in eighteen eighty seven, she moves back 270 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: to the United States of America. But she's feeling disheartened 271 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: at this point, right because the work she's doing at 272 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: the Dispatch, you know, it's not what she wants to do. Like, 273 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she went to Mexico and was like, oh, 274 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: great culture. Oh they have this delicious timUL and oh 275 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: the government is corrupt and is locking up journalists and 276 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: have you heard them play the band? All it's amazing. 277 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: But she's doing like real journalism, the stuff that they 278 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: thought ladies were just too soft for. But she is 279 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: again really disheartened by the work at the Pittsburgh Dispatch 280 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to do you know, the society papers, 281 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: and so she decides that she's going to move to 282 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: the Big Apple, No York City. So she moves to 283 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: New York, but she struggles to get a job because 284 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: journalism at this point is a boys club, i mean, 285 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: male dominated fueld. So, with no money and no prospects 286 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: and no more fox left to give, Nelly manages to 287 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: talk her way into the offices of Joseph Pulitzer's paper, 288 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: The New York World. So she manages to get in 289 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: because she's just got I'm gonna say tenacity and they're like, okay, fine, 290 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: we've heard whispers that something is afoot tells a brutality 291 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: and neglect at the Women's Lunatic Asylum on Blackwell's Island, 292 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: which just so you know now is Roosevelt Island. So 293 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: she is assigned an undercover assignment and she spends a 294 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: surprisingly short while trying to get herself admitted to the 295 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: women's Lunatic Asylum. Right, So, how she does this is 296 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: she checks herself into this lodging house, a temporary home 297 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: for females. She stays up all night to make herself 298 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: look tired I guess like it actually comes up quite 299 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot, Like when they're writing about her, they go 300 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: her eyes were so wide, her widened eyes. Oh dear 301 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: the wide eyes. It's like, okay, Jan okay, Like it 302 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: wasn't exactly difficult to get committed to an asylum if 303 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: you're all women. I do actually have like a big 304 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: long list of the ways in which you can be 305 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: admitted to an asylum. I'm gonna share with you my favorites, 306 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: because some of these are beyond ridiculous the reasons women 307 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: were institutionalized. I'm gonna give you my top five actually laziness, 308 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: snuff novel, reading, Marriage of Sun, politics. Like, one of 309 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is at a live show 310 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: is I will just go through There's like thirty forty 311 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: things on this list, and I go through all of 312 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: them just to see how the audience reacts to it. 313 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: Because it's really fun when you play a game and 314 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: everyone puts up their hand for which one that they 315 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: would be sent to the asylum for, and it's okay. 316 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: Everyone can play, even the men, and it's a good 317 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: fun for everybody to play together. So Nellie is trying 318 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: to get committed to this institution, she's staying up all night. 319 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: She's accusing other borders of doing weird stuff. She's loud 320 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: and annoying, like she scares the other lodgers so much 321 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: that they call the cops. They take her to the courthouse, right, 322 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: so you've got a police officer, a judge, and a 323 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: doctor all examine her. The first place she's sent is 324 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: Bellevue Hospital, which is I'm fairly certain the oldest public 325 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: hospital in the whole country, like in the whole United States, 326 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Like it's the oldest one, and like this place was 327 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: constructed in like the early eighteen hundreds because of yellow 328 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: fever outbreaks, and they were like, we need somewhere to 329 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: do this. So it started off there and eventually became 330 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: like the hospital it is today. So she is in 331 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: Bellevue Hospital before being sent to the Women's Lunatic Asylum 332 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: on Blackwells Island. So after ten days, the New York 333 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: World had Nelly released from the asylum, like they had 334 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: to go and request it. They were like, no, no, 335 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: we actually need to take her. She's one of ours. Please, 336 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much. And so after she comes out, 337 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: they publish ten days in a mad house before actually 338 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: going in Before she even got to bellevue, like the 339 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: police officer or the doctor, the judge, they're all like, 340 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: she's positively demented. And when she gets there, doctors called 341 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: her undoubtedly insane, and one said that she had a wild, 342 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: haunted look in her eyes. So when questioned like she 343 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: initially acted like she had amnesia, she was like, what, 344 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: ho am I the drama? I don't think I'm the drama. Now. 345 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: Once she actually lands on Blackwell Island, she just stops. 346 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: And I'm going to use this phrase because it's a 347 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: direct quote acting crazy, and so nurses and other staff 348 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: members just put it down to other symptoms of her illness. 349 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: She tried to talk rationally and calmly to be released, 350 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: but they were having none of it. And she's conversing 351 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: with fellow patients and it's clear that many of them 352 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: did not belong there. Right, So this staff, this is 353 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: going to shock you. I know, we're both verbally and 354 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: physically abusive. Right. She notices that especially immigrants with poor English, 355 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: those are the ones that are mistreated the most, and 356 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: she like tries several times to be like, Okay, I'm 357 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: done now, I want to leave, like and like the 358 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: patients they weren't supposed to talk to each other, and 359 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: they were just I'm gonna just go with horribly abused. 360 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: Patients were fed meat that was off, bread that was stale, 361 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: and a gruel broth. And the water, the water they consumed, well, 362 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: how to put this gently, that's how you get dysentery. Okay, 363 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: it's history. All roads lead to dysentery. So dangerous patients 364 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: were bound together with ropes. Others were left in those 365 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: like very fine, very poor gowns on hard floors and benches. 366 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: It was, to put plainly unsanitary. There was waste everywhere, 367 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: and of course there were rats and bugs. Now, if 368 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: you've l seen the beginning of Bramstock calls Dracula, like, 369 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: there was a scene in an asylum and there was 370 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: a guy like in like a stone building eating bugs. 371 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: Now that is the image I specifically have in my 372 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: brain regarding this. So the baths, well, when it came 373 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: to bathing, they would just chuck buckets of freezing cold, 374 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: dirty water over the heads of the patients and scrubbed 375 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: them roughly so in the back it was basically a 376 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: human soup. They shelled towels like there was no like 377 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: germ theory had been about at this point. This wasn't 378 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: like it was new. But also, sharing dirty towels is 379 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: something that I feel like you would know about, Like 380 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: that's very basic because you can see duct on the towels, 381 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So because they're sharing towels, 382 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: and obviously there were skin conditions in this environment that 383 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: it leads to other issues like scabies, right, people got scabies, Like, 384 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: of course things are rife. You're getting lice, you're getting scabies, 385 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: You're getting all of these horrible just I don't want 386 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: to say infection. I feel like infection is the wrong 387 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: word for scabies because it's just little bugs that bread. 388 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: So she's like very aware that, you know, the people 389 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: who really need help are being incredibly mistreated, and there 390 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: are a lot of people there in the asylum who 391 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: should not be there and who are being treated worse 392 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: because you know, they're not falling into the cultural standards 393 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: of contemporary society, right, And so she is very calmly, 394 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: very rationally, she's like trying to leave. She's trying to 395 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: be like, hey, this was next pose. I'm cool, I'm 396 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: done now, thanks, can I go? And the nurses are 397 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: just like, no, this is just you know, a point 398 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: in the madness. The lucidity is just one of the symptoms. 399 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: And she's like, what, no, Please let me out. And 400 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: so there are many requests to get her out, and 401 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: they're refusing up until the point that they get a 402 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: lawyer involved. So an attorney for the New York World 403 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Old newspaper has to come in and go, I'm going 404 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: to sue you if you do not let her out, 405 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: and they go, okay, we can't afford that, and so yes, 406 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: out she goes, and Nellie says this, I left the 407 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: insane ward with pleasure and regret. Pleasure I was once 408 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: more able to enjoy the free birth of Heaven. Regret 409 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: that I could not have brought with me some of 410 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: the unfortunate women who lived and suffered with me, and 411 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: who I am convinced are just as saen as I 412 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: was and am now myself. So this Ten Days in 413 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: a Madhouse is a six part series of articles, and 414 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: it later becomes a book because it is so successful. Like, 415 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: people weren't really doing a lot of investigative journalism back 416 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: in the eighteen eighties, and this series highlighted the terrible 417 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: conditions the asylum, which spurs this nationwide investigation, leading to 418 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: changes in New York City's Department of Public Charities and Corrections. Now, 419 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it out loud, that is a 420 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: weird mix. That is a weird mix. So changes include basics, money, 421 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: a larger appropriation of funds for the care of mentally 422 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: ill patients, better supervision of healthcare workers, and regulations regarding overcrowding. 423 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: Nellie Bly is twenty three years old at this point, 424 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: she's twenty three, and she has had this massive impact 425 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: on American culture and is showing highlighting the experience of 426 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: marginalized women like beyond this, and it just goes further. 427 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: Now PEPs doing this. She's reporting on jails, sweatshops, factories 428 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: and the like, calling for reform and exposes bribery in 429 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: the lobbyist system. Now, and this is the start of 430 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: what they call stunt girl journalism, which feels like they're 431 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: trying to discredit it a little bit, but this is 432 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: very much sort of undercover and immersive journalistic work. Nellie 433 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: Blind is part of this whole wave of journalism, stunt 434 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: girl journalism. Then in eighteen eighty eight, she decides to 435 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: do something So there's this book I have heard of 436 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: it called Around the World in Eighty Days. It's written 437 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: by Jules Veln, who wrote other classics such as Twenty 438 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: Thousand Leagues Under the Sea. So he writes this book 439 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: and it's about Phineas Fogg and how he travels around 440 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: the world in eighty days with his assistant or his valet, 441 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: Basseball doo, right, And so there's this whole thing about 442 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: it being sort of detective and stunt girl journalism. It's 443 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: like new journalism in like the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties, 444 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: and it's really where Joseph Pulitzer like really gets it 445 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: out of the bag. And so when this book comes out, 446 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: like people go, oh, she goes, I want to do that, 447 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: And that's not what happens here. It wasn't like she 448 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: read the book and was like, I can do that. No. 449 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: What happened is the newspaper looked at it and went, oh, actually, 450 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: it's getting Nelly to do it, because I mean, we 451 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: could get a guard to do it. But she's like 452 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: really famous and it's very good promotion for us, and 453 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: she's a woman. What if she dies on the journey, 454 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: it's fine. And so They're like, hey, you want to 455 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: go around the world in eighty days, and she goes, 456 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: I can do that, and so on the fourteenth of 457 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: November eighteen eighty nine, right, so it's a year after. Right, 458 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: So it's a year after They suggest she does it, 459 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: and she's like sure, because you know, it's logistics. They 460 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: gotta get stuff figured out. So she says she's going 461 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: to do it, and so she does. She gets ready 462 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: to go around the world in eighty days. She starts 463 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: her journey and Hoboken, New Jersey, she boards the Hamburg 464 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: America Line steamer, the Augusta Victoria, which I don't know 465 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: if you know this is actually the birth name of 466 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria, Augusta Victoria. So she brings with her a dress, 467 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: a sturdy overcoat, several changes of underwear, a small travel 468 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: bag of toiletry essentials, and a bag tied around her 469 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: neck containing dollars, pounds and gold, so dollars American dollars, 470 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: she's got pounds sterling, and she also has gold because 471 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: these are things you can use. So, because Nellie is 472 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: doing this, the Cosmopolitan decides to send their own reporter, 473 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Bisland, as well. However, Elizabeth is traveling in the 474 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: opposite direction to Nelly, and so it becomes the Phineas 475 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Fog Challenge between the stunt girl reporters. Now, Nellie had 476 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: no idea that the Phineas Fog Challenge was happening until 477 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: well into her journey. The New York World organizes a 478 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: guessing game where readers would guess when she would arrive 479 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, like down to the second. And it 480 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: was like the Grand Tour prize. So the Grand Tour, 481 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: by the way, it was very much I'm gonna Typically 482 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: it was typically European. Right, So what people of a 483 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: certain class would do is before, sometimes before they got married, 484 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: sometimes after they would either be a companion or they 485 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: would just travel with family. They would go on a 486 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: grand tour. So they would travel around all of Europe, 487 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: and they would go to the events and go wine 488 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: and dine and all that jazz. So the winner of 489 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: this Nelly Bly guessing match, right, they would win the 490 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: Grand prize. Right, this Grand Tour prize, which was a 491 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: trip to Europe, which was like at first it was 492 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: a trip to Europe, and then as the popularity grew, 493 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: it also added spending money for the trip and so Nelly, 494 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: she is going. Right, she goes through England France like 495 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: where she actually meets Jules Verne. Right, she meets Jules Wellne. 496 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: She travels through brindc in southern Italy, she gets through 497 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: the Saua's Canal, she passes through Colombo in Sri Lanka, 498 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: and she's traveling through like British colonies effectively. So she 499 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: goes through the Straits Settlements. Now this is like a 500 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: crown colony at this point. Initially it was you know, 501 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: colonized by the British East India Company, who we will 502 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: be discussing at a later date. Again, I know you're shocked, 503 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: Why are you so? Yeah, it starts all is like 504 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: the British India Company, and then it comes under the 505 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: British Raj and then it becomes like a crown colony. 506 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: And so this is all sort of I want to say, 507 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: like it's a South Southeast it's Southeast Asia. So she 508 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: is going through Malaysia, so part of like the Malay Peninsula. 509 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: And then she goes through Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan, 510 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: and she is like basically taking every mode of transport 511 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: she can. She travels by boat, train, horse car, rickshaw, 512 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: basically any mode of transport she can get her dairy 513 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: air on, she's using it. And as she's traveling, she 514 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: is sending reports back to the New York World, and 515 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: like she is like stopping all over right, So like 516 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: she is not going through this at a pace you 517 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: know that one would expect if you're racing around the world. 518 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you've got typical logistical issues railways, 519 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: bad weather, and a bunch of other travel issues. Like 520 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: at one point, she just stops off in a leper 521 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: colony in Singapore and buys a monkey, as one does. 522 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: So she is traveling around the world. She's circumventing it 523 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: is she circumventing? Ith is she? Anyway she travels around 524 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: the world. She starts off in Hoboken, New Jersey. She 525 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: goes through Europe and Asia and then continues like onto 526 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: the American continent. She gets back to the US on 527 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: January twenty first, via the White star liner the RMS Oceanic. 528 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: She's travel across the Pacific and the seas are pretty rough, 529 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: Like it's not a good time and she's actually behind schedule, 530 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: so she gets on a train to complete the journey 531 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: to New Jersey. Now this isn't any train like this 532 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: is usten. I don't want to call it cheating because 533 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: technically it's not cheating. So the New York World made 534 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: sure that this train was running, and it made sure 535 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: that she was on it so that it could get across. 536 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: Now she's she gets on this train to get her 537 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: all the way to New Jersey. And on the twenty 538 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: fifth of January eighteen ninety at three point fifty one pm, 539 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: Nellie Blin made it around the world in seventy two days, 540 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: six hours, eleven minutes and fourteen seconds. She sets a 541 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: world records. Right, so now she is well famous, and 542 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: she says fuck this for Game of Soldiers, quits reporting 543 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: and starts writing books instead, And so she writes novels. 544 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: And so she's writing between like eighteen eighty nine and 545 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety five, So for like six years she writes 546 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: eleven novels. And you'd think she was happy continuing to 547 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: write novels. However, in eighteen ninety three she returned to 548 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,720 Speaker 1: journalism right back working for the world, and you're thinking 549 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: what could lure her back? Like she's having a great life, 550 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: things are going well for her. Why is she lured 551 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: back to journalism. Oh see, here's the thing. The catskills killer, 552 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: the serial killer. Lizzie Halliday wants to be interviewed by 553 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: Nellie Bly exclusively, right, she wants her specifically to interview her. 554 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: She's like, I only want Nellie Bly, and so Nelly 555 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: Bly is like, I guess, and this becomes a two 556 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: part piece. Like Halliday was considered the most dangerous woman 557 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: in all of New York at the time, Like she 558 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: gets interviewed by Nellie Bly and a year later, like 559 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: she's sentenced to the electric chair. Now fun fact didn't die, 560 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: whole thing, whole episode on it. She go listen to it. 561 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: It's great fun, she says, talking about a serial killer. 562 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety five, when she stops writing novels and 563 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: doing journalism, Nellie marries a millionaire. Why not, right, She 564 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: marries Robert Seaman, a manufacturer and industrials. He owned the 565 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: Ironclad Manufacturing Company. So they make like milk cans and whatnot, 566 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: like just iron, right, steel containers is iron It's made 567 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: steel containers. You've got boilers, you've got milk cans, steel 568 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: barrel drum like all that jazz. So they get married 569 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: she was thirty one, he was seventy three. So they 570 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: get married. She leaves journalism again and then she works 571 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: at his company instead. When he dies in nineteen oh four, 572 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: she takes over the business. Like and she's not just 573 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: like some absent board member like stamping their signature onto stuff. 574 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: Like she's involved, right, Nellie Bly, I just think she's 575 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: naturally busy. She can't help herself. So like she's running 576 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: the company. She's putting in all these reforms, and she 577 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: has patents for this a novel milkcan and a stacking 578 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: garbage can, and like they're registered under her like full 579 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: legal married name, Elizabeth Cochrane Seamen. So like she is 580 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: really really investing and really caring about employees and the 581 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: life of employees families. So she's interesting all of these 582 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: like reforms for all the employees at the Ironclad Manufacturing Company, 583 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: their fitness centers, libraries, healthcare, and like at one point 584 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: she was one of the leading women like leading women 585 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: industrialists in the United States. Now eventually the company goes 586 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: like bankrupt because you know, she's implementing all these reforms 587 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: and she's funding this, and also because one of the 588 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: men involved, one of the managers is embezzling, and so 589 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: it goes bust. She returns to journalism in nineteen thirteen, 590 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: writing for the New York Evening Journal. She ends up 591 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: like writing for women's suffrage, right, she's covering the women's 592 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: suffrage movement, and so she writes an article saying that 593 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: suffragists are men's superiors and so, and she's like, by 594 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: the way, women are going to get the right to 595 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: vote in nineteen twenty, and everyone's like, no way, Nelly, 596 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: not on your nelly. I regret nothing, and so she 597 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: writes the article. She's very like pro suffrage movement, and 598 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: she ends up. World War One hits so nineteen thirteen, 599 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: she writes this article nineteen fourteen, she's in the war, right. So, 600 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: in the First World War over in the Eastern Front, 601 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: Nellie Bly was one of the first foreigners to like 602 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: actually visit the war zone between Serbia and Austria, and 603 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: she was the first woman. Right. She was also fun 604 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: fact arrested, right. So she gets arrested because they think 605 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: she's a British spy and then she has to go, 606 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: I'm not a British spy, I'm American, and they go, oh, dear, 607 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: anyway they release her. She's fine, everything is fine. When 608 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: in Verna she wiltwa just went multi pass. Basically she 609 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: was accredited by the War Press Office. Throughout the war, 610 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: Nellie Bly stayed in Vienna and worked to support widows 611 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: and orphans affected by the conflict. When the war ended, however, 612 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: Nelly returned to New York and continued working for the 613 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,879 Speaker 1: New York Journal. She wrote an advice column which basically 614 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: focused on charge of work and supported her work with 615 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: unwed mothers and their children, people who tend to get 616 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: forgotten about throughout history. And she continues doing this up 617 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: until her death in nineteen twenty two. On the twenty 618 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: seventh of January nineteen twenty two, Nellie Bly Elizabeth Jene 619 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: cockwin Seamen died from pneumonia at Saint Mary's Hospital in 620 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: New York. She was fifty seven years old. She was 621 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: interlled at Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx. Nellie Bly has 622 00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: a great legacy because, like historically she's someone who's believed, 623 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously there'll be naysayers from like 624 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: the time she was alive, but there was a lot 625 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: of respect and admiration, like for Nelly Bly nowadays for 626 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: doing something that was so unexpected, something that was not 627 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: of women of the era who started off life, you know, 628 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: fairly privileged to having nothing, to having to run a 629 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 1: boarding house, to quit school and having an opportunity where 630 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: she just got angry and was like, no, you're wrong, 631 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: I need to correct this. How dare you? And that 632 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: led to a lifelong career and for her name being 633 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: in the history books and I think out of all 634 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 1: the people like I'm sorry. Also, she married a millionaire 635 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: and she was like, listen, no babies, let's get married. 636 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: Fabulous ten out of ten. And she lived her life 637 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: and it was great for her. Obviously, pneumonia is not 638 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: a great way to go, but it was prevalent in 639 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. But she made a mark on history 640 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: and she opened a lot of people's eyes to the 641 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: injustices that were happening. She told the truth. And I 642 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: think with a lot of history and a lot of 643 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: even journalism at cough, she says journalism nowadays that that's 644 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: often hidden and often misrepresented, sometimes deliberately, sometimes accidentally is listen, 645 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: it's easy to fall for the lie, you know, But 646 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: with that, that is the story of Nellie Blagh. Now, 647 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: I originally did this as part of a live show 648 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,280 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Like it was a little fun thing I did. Pittsburgh. 649 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: So many bridges, and also I'm very proud of their bridges, 650 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: by the way, super proud of their bridges. Like the 651 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: hotel ized I say hotel. I don't know if it 652 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: was a hotel or a motel. It was not. I 653 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: like to say, it's not a great establishment. I couldn't 654 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: really tell you because it had no electricity or running 655 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: water thanks to an unprecedented storm, so there was that. 656 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: But also throughout the hotel, so many pictures of bridges, paintings, photos, 657 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: so many bridges, really into their bridges. But of course 658 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: that is the story of Neliply. I would love for 659 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: you to like follow on the socials comments share. Oh 660 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: my god, No, I have to tell this story real 661 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: quick before I go, because I didn't put it at 662 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 1: the beginning, so I'm gonna put it at the end. 663 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: So I got an anonymous message. Sorry, this reminded me. 664 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: I got an anonymous message. They went through like the 665 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: contact form on my website, and I'm really really good 666 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: at figuring out from like the first line or the 667 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: first few words of whether I should care about something 668 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: anybody says or not. And this person, as it turns out, 669 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,399 Speaker 1: had created like a whole anonymous account, like they'd set 670 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: up an anonymous email, like untrackable nonsense, right because I 671 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: was curious and I looked it up. So they set 672 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: up this untrackable email, this anonymous thing so that they 673 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: could insult me. And I was like, you went through 674 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: all that effort to make this big anonymous thing so 675 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: you could facelessly attempt to insult a woman? Is that 676 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: is that what you did? Like how sad empathetic is 677 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: your life? That clearly if you've gone to the effort 678 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: to make this whole thing that I'm not the first 679 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: person you've done this too, Like how sad is your life? 680 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: Like what lack of everything thing are you having? That 681 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: you're just doing this? Like this is where your enjoyment is, 682 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: Like you have nothing going on in your life that 683 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: the only thing you can do is to like secretly 684 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: say mean things to people, like like like it's really 685 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 1: really pathetic. It's like the most pathetic thing because I'm 686 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: just like I think if you want to say something, 687 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: you should say it with your whole chest, like you 688 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: should be able to sign your name underneath it, Like 689 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to say something, stand by it, like 690 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: defend it, argue it, like show your face if you 691 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: don't like like what is so wrong with you? Like 692 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 1: why are you so? 693 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 3: I feel like anyway, I saw the word like uh, 694 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 3: like I think it started over like your podcast a shit, 695 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 3: And then I think I saw the word communism, and 696 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, well delete, cause especially when people 697 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 3: write me really long paragraphs in like really long emails 698 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 3: and really long messages. Again, I can tell from the 699 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 3: first few words like how bad it's gonna be. 700 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 1: And so they've put all this effort into writing this big, 701 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: long diatribe for nothing because I didn't even read it. 702 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,359 Speaker 1: And that's what happens. Like see people try and like 703 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: just espouse like I don't know, just there're a word 704 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: vomit at me, and they do it in my comment sections, 705 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 1: Like if you go to a super long paragraph there, 706 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm not reading that. That's getting deleted. I don't care. 707 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that because if it's that important, you'd 708 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: email me and you're tone you know what. I'm at 709 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: the point in my life where I don't have to 710 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: be nice to anyone. I choose to be nice. I 711 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 1: choose to be kind. I'm not a nice person. I 712 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: choose to be kind because it's ingrained in me, and 713 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: I think it's better to be kind anyway. With that, 714 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: I think it's recommended time for reading. You know what 715 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it for reading, you should read 716 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,760 Speaker 1: Eva the Adventurous, which is one of the lost novels 717 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: by Nellie Bly like they discovered it. I don't know. 718 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: I think it was it. I want to say, like 719 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight or something. It was discovered, But yeah, 720 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: you should read it, because why not. Let's read her fiction. 721 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: Although it was technically based on a real life peerson, 722 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: but that's neither here nor there. For listening, you know, 723 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,319 Speaker 1: when I finally started listening to actually was someone knows 724 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:38,319 Speaker 1: Something Now. I think that I tried to listen to 725 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: this many many years ago when I was struggling with 726 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 1: the bad feelings or as we like to call them 727 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: in this house, the Doomies, and I think there was 728 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,959 Speaker 1: like a whole issue with the Doomies, and I don't 729 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: think I was even paying attention to it. So I've 730 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: started re listening from season one and I'm like, I 731 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: don't remember any of this. Clearly was not absorbing the information, 732 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: but so far, very good, very interesting, very into this 733 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: for watching. I started watching His and Hers, which I 734 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: just love. How uncomfortable I am because I don't trust 735 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 1: anything I see. I'm like, I don't like this perspective. 736 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't like that perspective. Stuff's going on here. I'm 737 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 1: just not into any of it. There's like a lot 738 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: of stuff. I'm into it, but also I'm very cautious. 739 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't trust any of it. So, yes, that's your recommendations. 740 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: Because I'm also watching Slash doing that, I'm of that. 741 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bid you good day, adios. Au revoir of 742 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,200 Speaker 1: waas them my friends, Bibby