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Speaker 2: Kaitanji Brown Jackson had just been nominated, So it is

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Speaker 3: Please enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie, Hey Samantha, and welcome to Steph

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Speaker 2: I've Never told you a production of iHeartRadio. Today, we

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Speaker 2: are once again thrilled to be joined by the amazing.

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Speaker 4: Award winning, fantastic Bridget Todd, who we count ourselves so

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Speaker 4: lucky to know and call our friend. Congratulations Bridgid on

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Speaker 4: your recent award for Best Technology Podcast at the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: Podcast awards well deserved.

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Speaker 2: That's so awesome. Congratulations to you and your whole team.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I'm going to say. It feel

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Speaker 6: was freaking good to win. I was kind of like, oh, like,

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Speaker 6: you know, just being nominated is nice, but I deep

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Speaker 6: down kind of you ever have one of those times

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Speaker 6: in your life where you just really need a win.

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Speaker 5: That's where I was at.

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Speaker 6: So I have to like briefly shout out my team.

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Speaker 6: Tari Harrison is my producer and engineer. She's phenomenally talented.

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Speaker 6: Jonathan Strickland is our EP, phenomenally talented doctor. Michael Lomato

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Speaker 5: So talented.

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Speaker 6: I could not have one without them. They're so awesome. Yes,

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Speaker 6: so thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Love a win, especially when it's our personal friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said it.

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Speaker 3: I'm claiming you as a personal friend.

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Speaker 1: I know, Bridget thank you.

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Speaker 6: I mean I feel the same way about you. I

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Speaker 6: feel very honored to know you all in real life.

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Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 2: And in case you don't know, listeners, which I'm assuming

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I probably should have had the name of

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Speaker 6: my own podcast. No, I'm I'm trying to get better

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Speaker 6: at like self promotion. Yes, the podcast is called There

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Speaker 6: Are No Girls on the Internet. We just won an

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Speaker 6: iHeart Award and we're coming back for a brand new

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Speaker 6: season on March first. So we've kind of been on

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Speaker 6: so excited that we're finally launching. So it would mean

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Speaker 6: a lot to me if y'all checked it out. Thank

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Speaker 6: you for mentioning and Annie, I obviously cannot be trusted

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Speaker 6: We have all kinds of interesting conversations about how women

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Speaker 2: In, you absolutely should. I'm still waiting for the fan

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Speaker 2: So this topic you're bringing to us today, Bridget, is

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Speaker 6: So today is Friday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and as you said, this is very ongoing. We're

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, So here's a little bit of background about the

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Speaker 5: More fundamentally, our.

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Speaker 6: So he goes on to describe how President Reagan promised

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I think right now a lot of us,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So this is one of those instances.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely so, even before Judge Jackson was named as the nominee,

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Speaker 5: And he was saying this, we didn't even.

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Speaker 6: Because Biden had already expressed his intentions to nominate a

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Speaker 6: were you referencing Lindsay Graham?

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Speaker 5: Who was you know? I think it was Literal.

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Speaker 5: Yet Graham also voted.

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Speaker 5: So which is it? Is this a win for the

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Speaker 6: And like what was different eight months earlier when you

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Speaker 6: Interesting at this point, I wouldn't even like the hypocrisy

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Speaker 6: You're just counting on people not actually spending a little

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we're both shaking our head with friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Though, it's so frustrating because it's like every time I

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Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, it's kind of what we were talking

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Speaker 6: There are so many words that have just become meaningless.

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Speaker 6: So if you're talking about a hypothetical Supreme Court nominee

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Speaker 6: most nonsense statements, and so everybody loses. Democrat, Republican, conservative, lefty, whoever.

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Speaker 6: Everybody loses when we have an ecosystem that amplifies the

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Speaker 6: least substantive takes because that takes away from the ability

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Speaker 6: to have an actual substantive, thoughtful debate or conversation about

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Speaker 6: the actual issues, and so I don't want to create

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Speaker 6: the conditions for Judge Jackson to only be judged by racist,

446
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Speaker 6: sexist tropes or caricatures or unfair attacks, because I want

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Speaker 6: to talk about her, her actual credentials, I want to

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Speaker 6: talk about her actual record. I want to talk about

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Speaker 6: her actual character. But disinformation and misinformation does not allow

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Speaker 6: for the actual issues to take the center stage that

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Speaker 6: they should.

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Speaker 1: Right you just kind of explained my whole conversation with

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Speaker 1: my parents over the holidays, but we won't get into

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Speaker 1: that right now.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gon't put that there.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting, but you know, and them thinking about

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Speaker 1: this because when we talk about these terms and automatically

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Speaker 1: just becoming used by media as an ecosystem to bring

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Speaker 1: in the shock value, it makes me also realize that

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Speaker 1: in terms of what they're talking about in woke, it

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Speaker 1: is a black term that was created by the black

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Speaker 1: community to kind of gift non black people with Hey,

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Speaker 1: you woke up. Congratulations, you're finally seeing what we have

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Speaker 1: been going through all of our generations.

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Speaker 5: Welcome you have woke.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's kind of that term, and I hate that

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Speaker 1: it has been weaponized to this point of being used

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Speaker 1: against people and when they're using it. When Kennedy used this,

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Speaker 1: he was weaponizing this terms to a woman, to an official,

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Speaker 1: to a judge, to a professional who didn't need to

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Speaker 1: be woke. She was already there. This was her life.

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Speaker 1: And not only that. If we do look at her

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Speaker 1: backgrounds and credentials, she has been doing this work. There's

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Speaker 1: no conversation of her being woke.

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Speaker 5: She just is. So with that.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm angry about this, can we talk about some

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Speaker 1: of those qualifications?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely so.

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Speaker 6: One of the best ways to counter all the kinds

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Speaker 6: of BS, racist, sexist attacks that you're definitely going to

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Speaker 6: hear about Judge Jackson is to flood the space to

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Speaker 6: counter that with accurate information. So I'm super excited to

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Speaker 6: talk about her actual qualifications. So a little bit of

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Speaker 6: background information about Judge Jackson. She was born in Washington,

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Speaker 6: d C. Shout out to d C, where I am

486
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Speaker 6: also from. She grew up in Miami, Florida. Her parents

487
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Speaker 6: started their career as public school teachers and then later

488
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Speaker 6: became administrators in the Miami Dade County public school system.

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Speaker 6: I love this a little fun fact about her. Judge

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Speaker 6: Jackson was a star student, but she was told not

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Speaker 6: to set her sites too high by a guidance counselor.

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Speaker 6: When she told that guidance counselor that she wanted to

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Speaker 6: go to Harvard and guess where she ended up going

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Speaker 6: to college Harvard. Yes, that's right, So she definitely like

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Speaker 6: shut that guidance counselor right up. She studied government at

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Speaker 6: Harvard University and attended Harvard Law School, where she was

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Speaker 6: the supervising editor of the Harvard Law Review. So her

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Speaker 6: educational credentials are pretty solid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. I love that too.

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Speaker 3: I hope that that the guidance counselor knows.

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Speaker 1: Oh he knows now.

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Speaker 6: So something else about her is that she's absurdly qualified

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Speaker 6: in experienced. So this is from Steve Ladek. Judge Jackson

504
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Speaker 6: has eight point nine years of prior judicial experience.

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Speaker 5: That's more than four of our current.

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Speaker 6: Justices Thomas, Roberts, Kagan and Barrett had combined. It's also

507
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Speaker 6: more than four of the last ten justices had at

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Speaker 6: their confirmations, nine of the last seventeen and forty three

509
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Speaker 6: of fifty eight appointed since nineteen hundred. So anybody who

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Speaker 6: tells you she is not experienced, anybody that tells you

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Speaker 6: that she's not qualified. Anybody that tells you that she

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Speaker 6: only got this position because she's a black woman is

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Speaker 6: just misinformed and they're spreading misinformation because as we can see,

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Speaker 6: she's very qualified, more qualified than some of the current

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court justices, right.

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Speaker 3: Which is infuriating.

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Speaker 2: But yes, also, as you mentioned, she's already gone through

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Speaker 2: a lot of vetting, right.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, So this is something else that I think people

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Speaker 6: really need to understand. She has been vetted a ton,

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Speaker 6: She has a proven track record of attracting bipartisan support

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Speaker 6: in the Senate. She's already been confirmed three times on

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Speaker 6: a bipartisan vote, so there is no reason to not

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Speaker 6: expect the same now that she's being considered for the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court again. Lindsey Graham voted to confirm her, Murkowski

526
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Speaker 6: voted to confirm her, and Collins voted to confirm her.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: So these are Republicans who broke ranks with their party

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Speaker 6: to side with Democrats to vote to confirm her. And so,

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Speaker 6: having already gone through this process, I would really want

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Speaker 6: someone like Lindsay Graham to sit down with me and

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Speaker 6: explain what changed over the last eight months. When he

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Speaker 6: voted to confirm her to the second most important court

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Speaker 6: in the country.

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Speaker 5: To now, if he is saying.

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Speaker 6: That she is not an appropriate choice, I'm the same

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Speaker 6: with Collins and Murkowski.

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Speaker 5: There's no reason to expect that she.

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Speaker 6: Should not be able to be confirmed by the Senate,

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Speaker 6: considering she's been vetted and gone through this process three

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Speaker 6: different times before.

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Speaker 2: There are certain people that like thinking about talking to

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Speaker 2: them makes my skin crawl.

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Speaker 3: Graham as one of them.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I do find it interesting, and this is

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Speaker 1: a whole different conversation again. You know how I love

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Speaker 1: the sidetrack that it is an interesting strategy that Biden

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Speaker 1: and his administration has pulled, not only because this is

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Speaker 1: obviously telling is like, Okay, this is one of the

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Speaker 1: most qualified people that we could find that we think

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Speaker 1: is deserving and has earned a place in this position.

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Speaker 1: If you who oppose everything we do, are sot to

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Speaker 1: start arguing, is going to be a telltale sign of

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Speaker 1: who you are and what you're doing. So it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting turn. Again, that's a whole different conversation because I've

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Speaker 1: always interested in good political thriller and this feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have to do everything a little fictional

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Speaker 1: or movie s.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so true.

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Speaker 6: Because, like you know, and thinking I was thinking about

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Speaker 6: that this morning. I do think it's clear to me

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Speaker 6: that the administration picked someone who had already been like

563
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Speaker 6: gone through this process a few times just so that

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Speaker 6: it will be, you know, just sort of shut down

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Speaker 6: any kind of you know, consternation there might be in

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Speaker 6: terms of like you know, like vetting her and all

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Speaker 6: of that.

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Speaker 5: And I think it really demonstrates something. I'm not totally sure.

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Speaker 6: This is not a completely fleshed out thought, and I'm

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Speaker 6: not totally sure how it fits into this conversation, but

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Speaker 6: I do think there is this standard for women, women

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Speaker 6: of color and black women where we have to be

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Speaker 6: extra special qualified.

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Speaker 1: Kind of that standard of women have to do one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty forty fifty percent more than men in general,

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Speaker 1: and then when you're a part of the marginalized community,

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Speaker 1: add on another twenty percent, and then if you're a

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Speaker 1: black woman, add on another thirty percent of exceeding the standard,

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Speaker 1: exceeding the qualifications because for some reason, you have to

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Speaker 1: be on that level in order to be seen as serious.

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Speaker 1: So that's just in general, So let's put that in

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Speaker 1: this federal level where they are putting her under a

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Speaker 1: microscope in every way, and not only putting her in

584
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Speaker 1: micro under a microscope to twist and turn truth. They're

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Speaker 1: going to tell flat out wies. We know this, It's

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Speaker 1: already happening, that's what they're doing. And we saw this

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Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris, which I really found fascinating because Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris has a track record as the Attorney General. They

589
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Speaker 1: lasted her rightful, it's so for her track record in

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Speaker 1: criminalizing people in general. And when I found out Judge

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Speaker 1: Jackson comes from the public defender filed correct.

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Speaker 6: That's right, So super super exciting. Not only would she

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Speaker 6: be historic as the first black woman on the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 6: but also the first public defender to serve on the Court,

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Speaker 6: which is a big deal.

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Speaker 5: She has a long.

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Speaker 6: Personal history of working as a public defender. While she

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Speaker 6: was at Harvard, a relatively sentenced to life in prison

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Speaker 6: for a non violent drug offense, and she helped convince

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Speaker 6: a law firm to take his case pro bono, eventually

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Speaker 6: leading to having President Obama commute his sentence. And so

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Speaker 6: it is a big deal to have somebody on the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court who has this legacy of public service in

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Speaker 6: this way.

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Speaker 5: My brother's a lawyer.

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Speaker 6: He got his start as a public defender in Durham,

607
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Speaker 6: North Carolina. I just love the idea of having someone

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Speaker 6: who has this history because it's important, you know. I

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Speaker 6: think that it's often easy to forget that public service

610
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Speaker 6: should be a pipeline into bigger things, you know, like

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Speaker 6: I want to see more teachers, public educators, public servants

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Speaker 6: be elevated on a national way like this.

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Speaker 5: So I love that aspect of.

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Speaker 1: Her amen former social worker.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: A men.

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Speaker 6: We have this attitude where it's like, if you choose

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Speaker 6: to serve the public, you're some kind of a like.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't think we give people who serve the public

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Speaker 6: the like props they deserve, and they deserve a lot.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I have been feeling some emotions

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Speaker 1: for our people in Texas who are social workers that

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Speaker 1: we know what's happening there, most people do, I think,

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Speaker 1: especially our listeners. And my heart has been breaking because

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Speaker 1: I already know how divisive that type of conversation is.

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Speaker 1: But going back to Judge Jackson and her public defense, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have worked with many a public defenders, and a

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Speaker 1: good public defender is invaluable the way that they have

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Speaker 1: to advocate and push for truth and justice, true justice

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Speaker 1: meaning that we are hearing the side and that they

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Speaker 1: are not guilty till proven otherwise. And how often times,

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Speaker 1: especially in I'm assuming DC Atlanta is very similar, how

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Speaker 1: often that gets wrong, and that when we would find

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Speaker 1: as social worker who worked in the judicial system, when

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Speaker 1: I found a good defender, I went and talked to

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Speaker 1: them personally to try to get them onto cases for

638
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Speaker 1: my kids specifically to make sure that they got what

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Speaker 1: was fair. And that is so huge, So I do

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Speaker 1: my heart is soaring to know that we have someone

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Speaker 1: in that field coming to this point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a pretty historic thing. And yeah, people who

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Speaker 6: serve the public like thoughtfully and meaningfully, they really care

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Speaker 6: about people. And so I applaud you for, you know,

645
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 6: going the extra mile to create the conditions for your

646
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Speaker 6: kids to get real justice and to have a real advocate,

647
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Speaker 6: because that's not everybody is like that.

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Speaker 5: That's like a special thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something that's been on my mind and

650
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of our minds lately.

651
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Speaker 3: Which is a separate podcast, but I'll mention it here.

652
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Speaker 2: It's like I feel in this country, we have a

653
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Speaker 2: real problem with glorifying like male ass story as being successful,

654
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Speaker 2: like oh, you managed the system, get your money, like

655
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Kind of like what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: here with the critical nature of all these arguments being made,

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Speaker 2: and it's more to me, it feels more about the

658
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Speaker 2: show and like, ooh, I'm a politician, I'm on TV now,

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Speaker 2: like it's glorified, Whereas we have people who are working

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Speaker 2: for the public, and in a lot of ways these

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Speaker 2: are kind of more gendered as feminine and therefore lesser

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Speaker 2: in nature, like not worth the attention, not worth the accolades,

663
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: not worth the money, even though it's so critical to

664
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Speaker 2: a functioning society.

665
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Speaker 6: But yeah, oh my gosh, I mean I could talk

666
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 6: all day. The way that we have harmed everyone, like

667
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 6: a deep, deep societal harm is our legacy of not

668
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 6: respecting jobs that we code as feminine traditionally feminine, so

669
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 6: care work, you know, social work, education, all of these

670
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: things that we have coded as feminine. The deprioritization and

671
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 6: just like outright degradation and disrespect of those I think

672
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 6: that the ramifications we will never fully be able to

673
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 6: contend with as a society. How much that has harmed

674
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Speaker 6: us the way that you know, people who do care

675
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 6: work are underpaid, if they're paid at all, just the

676
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 6: way that we don't even factor it in and it

677
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 6: just falls on unpaid women, right Like, This is what

678
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 6: I mean when I say women are the backbone of

679
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 6: our country and our society, and oftentimes that work is

680
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 6: just completely not just unpaid, but unseen, unacknowledged. It's just

681
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 6: like the cost of society functioning. And so I think

682
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 6: that this country sometimes the only thing that is standing

683
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: between our country and like complete collapse is the effort

684
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 6: and labor of some exhausted women right way.

685
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Speaker 1: Right, And let's be honest at this point in time,

686
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: is black women like that? I think, like when we

687
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: talked about the elections before Biden, the Biden administration, the

688
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: amount of work that has to be done, when we

689
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: talked about cases like Aubrey Ahmed and all of those,

690
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: how women have been forefront and protesting and bringing up

691
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: all of these conversations and the continued work that they

692
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: have to do. But not only that, like, not only

693
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: are they working to do good, but they're often having

694
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Speaker 1: to combat all of the disinformation and harmful things that

695
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: are being said about them. Because they are doing the

696
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: hard work exactly.

697
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Speaker 6: I mean, that really leads us back to, you know,

698
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 6: Judge Jackson. Just so, Judge Jackson, I think I got

699
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: the email that she was.

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Speaker 5: Going to be the pick at like.

701
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 6: Eight point thirty this morning, and so we're talking at

702
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 6: two pm, and so already in a couple of hours.

703
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: Here are some of the unfair or just complete misleading

704
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 6: attacks I've seen on her. One is that you know,

705
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 6: her decisions have been overturned, when in reality, of her

706
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 6: roughly six hundred decisions that she has authored, she has

707
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 6: been overruled just two percent of the time, right, And

708
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 6: so if someone is telling you that in her career

709
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 6: as a judge, her decisions have been routinely overruled or.

710
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: Overturned, that's just not true. It's that less than two

711
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: percent of the time.

712
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 6: The idea that she's an affirmative action higher, that she

713
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: only got the job because she's a black woman, when

714
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 6: in reality she is clearly absurdly qualified, to the point

715
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 6: where even talking about it seems ridiculous. This idea that

716
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 6: she's too woke or too radical. One thing I would

717
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 6: say is really be wary of people throwing things like

718
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 6: that around without being able to point to.

719
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: A specific ruling or policy or argument that she makes.

720
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Speaker 6: Right, So, just saying somebody so and so is too

721
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 6: radical and then not having it be attached to any

722
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 6: kind of actual policy that you think, demonstrates that be

723
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 6: wary of people are who are saying that, because, in

724
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: my opinion, nine times out of ten, when someone saying that,

725
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 6: what they actually mean is this person as a black woman.

726
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 6: And then this idea of just sort of kind of

727
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 6: connecting her to things.

728
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: For no real reason, with no real.

729
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 6: Explanation as to like why you are connecting her to

730
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Speaker 6: these things? And so earlier today, Mitch McConnell tweeted, the

731
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Speaker 6: Senate must conduct a rigorous, exhaustive review of Judge Jackson's

732
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 6: nomination to the Supreme Court. This is especially crucial as

733
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 6: American families face major crises that connect directly to our

734
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 6: legal systems, such as skyrocketing violent crime and open borders.

735
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Speaker 6: So what does Judge Jackson have to do with open borders? Exactly?

736
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 6: What does she have to do with violent crime?

737
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 5: Exactly?

738
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Speaker 6: You know the fact that he's just throwing her in,

739
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: you know, connecting her to these things. I think, really,

740
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Speaker 6: I think this is a moment where we will really

741
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 6: be rewarded by really thinking critically about what people are

742
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 6: saying and what they're saying in between the lines. And

743
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: I think that really, to me demonstrates a tricky truth

744
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: about the nature of racialized and gender disinformation. I think

745
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: most people can tell you that there is misleading or

746
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 6: an accurate information out there about like COVID or vaccines,

747
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 6: But misinformation can be a lot trickier to spot and

748
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 6: talk about when it relies on dog whistles, you know,

749
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 6: the same way that someone might say like, oh, a

750
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 6: woman is too emotional to lead, and that's just code

751
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 6: for being a woman. Oftentimes people are using dog whistles

752
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 6: or coded language to attack women, women of color, and

753
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 6: other marginalized folks with this kind of like highly coded

754
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: language that can be so tough to really call out

755
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 6: and talk about for what it is.

756
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such a again, it's one of those things.

757
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: It's such a double standard and it's so hypocritical. But

758
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: I think back to Cavanaugh, He's like crying these angry tears.

759
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Speaker 3: It's like confirmation.

760
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Speaker 2: Wait, this is what you're not gonna call him emotional notes.

761
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Speaker 3: He's being awarded for being emotional as a man because

762
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 3: that's difficult for.

763
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Speaker 1: Them because he's trying because he's being accused of sexual assault. Right.

764
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Speaker 6: Yes, isn't it funny how like we've we've branded anger

765
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 6: as not an emotion, so like women are too emotional?

766
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 6: It's like, well men, if men get angry in public,

767
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: is that not an emotion? And how come the too emotional?

768
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Speaker 6: You know, banner is not used to identify that as

769
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Speaker 6: an emotion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I could talk about that forever.

771
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: What is the cartoon with all the emotions?

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Speaker 5: Inside out?

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Speaker 1: Well, inside out taught me different anger's emotion. I saw it.

774
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I just saw that you avoid those said

775
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Speaker 3: so do.

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Speaker 1: I cried, well, he'll again, I was said. Last night

777
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: and my partner tried to make me watch Paddington again.

778
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I was like, how dare you? I cried, No, it

779
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Speaker 1: is it Paddington too. I didn't trust them after the

780
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Speaker 1: first one.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's fair.

782
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Speaker 2: Uh. Something else that I has been on my mind

783
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Speaker 2: and has been a source of frustration for a lot

784
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: of us, and that we've talked about on your segments

785
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: when you come on Bridge it is this kind of

786
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: what you mentioned is like not only is Judge Jackson

787
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: facing all of this like job interview that's very intensive,

788
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: But then there's all of these attacks online that are

789
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: racist and sexist, and I we've talked about it. It's

790
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: not unique to this area because we've talked about it

791
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: in terms of video games, so we've talked about it

792
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: in terms of entertainment. But I feel like that's already

793
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: a term of gatekeeping. That's already an extra thing you're

794
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: asking people and the people that know them, like their

795
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: families and friends, to deal with. And we just seem

796
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: to accept that as the status quo of being a

797
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Speaker 2: marginalized person that exists in our media landscape.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, I'm so glad that you put it

799
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 6: that way, because I think that we have this understanding

800
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Speaker 6: that it's just the cost of doing business as a

801
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: marginalized person. And if you don't want this kind of

802
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 6: thing to happen to you, then just don't speak and

803
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 6: don't express opinions, and don't strive, and don't put yourself

804
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 6: out there, and don't become a public figure and don't

805
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: serve your public, and don't like it's just a whole

806
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 6: list of dots. And so I really want to urge

807
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 6: people to have a shift around their understanding of that

808
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: and say, like, we deserve to have a media landscape

809
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 6: where everybody can speak up, everybody can participate, and that

810
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 6: you're not going to be attacked unfairly based on your

811
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 6: identity just for putting yourself out there. And so I

812
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 6: want to quickly talk about some research from the Institute

813
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 6: for Strategic Dialogue and they analyze social media abuse of

814
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Speaker 6: candidates and found that women of color candidates are targeted

815
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Speaker 6: on social media at alarming rates.

816
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Speaker 5: They analyze all these different.

817
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 6: Messages that these candidates were getting, and they found that

818
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 6: abusive messages accounted for more than fifteen percent of those

819
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 6: directed at every female lawmaker they analyze, compared with around

820
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: five to ten percent of the male candidates. Women of

821
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 6: color were particularly likely to be targeted. Representative Ilhan Omar

822
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 6: got the highest proportion thirty nine percent of abusive messages

823
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Speaker 6: of all the candidates, and AOC you got the highest

824
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 6: ratio of abusive comments on Facebook. And when you're talking

825
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 6: about women, the abuse directed towards women is much more

826
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 6: likely to be about their gender than the abuse that's

827
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 6: targeting men. Abuse targeting men was much more generalized and

828
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 6: focus on their political stances, while messages directed at women

829
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: were much more likely to focus on either appearance or

830
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 6: general competence. And so, yeah, I mean you, if you

831
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: are a woman or a marginalized person who is putting

832
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 6: yourself out there in this way, you deserve to be

833
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 6: judged on your merits, your record, your words, your deeds,

834
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: your values, not your identity, not racist sexist tropes, not

835
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 6: you know, nonsense about women or women of color not

836
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 6: being good leaders or being unqualified. You deserve to really

837
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 6: have your record speak for itself. And I have to

838
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 6: say it's not just sort of I talk a lot

839
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 6: about you know, online bad actors. It's not just fringe extremists.

840
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: We also see mainstream media outlets playing a huge role

841
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 6: in legitimizing and mainstreaming racist, sexist attacks on women of

842
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 6: color in public office. And so you know, you might

843
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 6: see things like an article about some complete racist nonsense

844
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 6: or a complete racist attack being quoted in the headline

845
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 6: of an article so that when people share it on

846
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 6: social media, it provides the impression that this is a

847
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 6: legitimate grievance that somebody might have instead of just a

848
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 6: racist attack.

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Speaker 5: Right, And so we are.

850
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 6: Really calling on media to not create the conditions for

851
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 6: these kind of racist sexist attacks to fester and spread. Right,

852
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: I think that this is a time that really requires everybody,

853
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 6: whether you are a journalist or an editor or just

854
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: a regular person on social media, to really be careful

855
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 6: and thoughtful about how you are talking about this very

856
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 6: visible black woman who is going up for this very

857
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 6: visible position in the Supreme Court.

858
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Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like you just let us into this.

859
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: So tell us the listeners and us voters and constituents

860
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: who are here to not only look and see and

861
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: view be the audience, but participate in help stopping this

862
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: harmful disinformation. What do we need to do to make

863
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: sure that we are not only engaging in that, but

864
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: not being a part of that, but not spreading that.

865
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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so glad you asked. So.

866
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Speaker 6: First, it's just you know, if you see like a

867
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 6: harmful racist sexist attack or a conspiracy theory, first and foremost,

868
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 6: don't spread it. Nine times out of tenant you see

869
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 6: this kind of thing, if you retweet it or like

870
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 6: comment on it, you're actually just helping it grow and spread.

871
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: Because of the.

872
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 6: Algorithmic nature of most of our social media platforms and

873
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 6: so the platform is going to think like, oh, this

874
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 6: person is engaging with this, it must be good content.

875
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: I'm going to surface it for more people. So don't

876
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 6: do that. Focus instead on sharing accurate, timely information about

877
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 6: the issues and the candidates. Right, So, talk to people

878
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: about Judge Jackson's actual record, talk to people about her

879
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Speaker 6: actual positions and where she actually stands. That will kind

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Speaker 6: of provide a little bit of taking the oxygen out

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Speaker 6: of the kinds of racist, sexist, gendered attacks we are

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Speaker 6: short to see. You can go to we are ultraviolet

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Speaker 6: dot org and check out our media kit. Really asking

884
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Speaker 6: for the media to create the conditions for this person

885
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Speaker 6: to be you know, fairly judged and fairly talked about

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Speaker 6: and fairly assessed by the American public. And also the

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Speaker 6: last one I would say is like, just really ask

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Speaker 6: questions and be be I think this is a time

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Speaker 6: where we will really be rewarded if we are interested

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Speaker 6: in being critical thinkers. Right, So, when someone says like, oh,

891
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Speaker 6: she's too radical, but can't give you a single thing

892
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Speaker 6: that backs up what they're saying, or when someone says like, oh,

893
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Speaker 6: she's just going to be really woke, you know, really

894
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Speaker 6: being able to ask you know what do you mean

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Speaker 6: by that?

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Speaker 5: Is when you say woke? Like, what does that mean?

897
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Speaker 5: What are you trying to say?

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Speaker 6: I have found that to be really useful when I'm

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Speaker 6: having conversations, particularly with people that may not be aligned

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Speaker 6: with me politically, you know, really getting down to what

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Speaker 6: is the substantive thing that you are trying to say.

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Speaker 5: And if the answer is, well, I just.

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Speaker 6: Don't like her because she's a black woman and I

904
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Speaker 6: don't like black women, then say that so we can

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Speaker 6: so we can you know, address that for.

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Speaker 5: What it is.

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Speaker 1: Be loud about it, because you know you're already pretty

908
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Speaker 1: much saying.

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Speaker 5: It right, like say it? What's your chest?

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna say it right, like, just do it,

911
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Speaker 1: you're already doing it. It feels hypocritical for me to

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Speaker 1: ask this, so I apologize from the jump, But as

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Speaker 1: non black women and for our male identifying listeners, what

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Speaker 1: can we do to make sure because we know, we

915
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: already know black women are stressed the out But the

916
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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is with this is going to

917
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: come on to so many more attacks is visceral. We

918
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, We know it, and it's

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00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: going to be harmful. And it's going to be gross.

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Speaker 1: And not only should we do all the things that

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Speaker 1: you told us to do, but what can we do

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Speaker 1: to ease the load a but help fight for y'all?

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Speaker 1: In general?

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Speaker 5: I love this question.

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Speaker 6: I would say, first of all, it's probably a tall order,

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Speaker 6: but I would love to see a shift where we

927
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Speaker 6: understand that this spite is all of our fight, like

928
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Speaker 6: we are the you know, the more marginalized you are,

929
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Speaker 6: the more you are a target. But this kind of

930
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 6: thing really harms us all, and so I think seeing

931
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Speaker 6: this work as all of our work to create a

932
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Speaker 6: healthy democracy is really key. And so these kinds of attacks,

933
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Speaker 6: they don't just hurt the women that are subjected to them,

934
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Speaker 6: they really have a meaningful impact on the health and

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Speaker 6: well being of our democracy because we can't have a

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Speaker 6: fully functioning representative democracy if everybody is not able to

937
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Speaker 6: use their voice, if everybody is not able to participate,

938
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Speaker 6: and so step one of that really comes with having

939
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Speaker 6: a healthy media ecosystem and a healthy climate for everybody

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Speaker 6: to be able to participate. And so I would say,

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Speaker 6: really working to see these attacks on marginalized people as

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Speaker 6: all of our fight, because all of us are invested

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Speaker 6: in having a healthy democracy, whether you are a man,

944
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Speaker 6: a woman, black, white, like, it is all of our fight.

945
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Speaker 5: And so really being able to.

946
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Speaker 6: See this as something that you're meaningfully invested in, not

947
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 6: just because it's the right thing to do, which it is,

948
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Speaker 6: but because we all deserve to have a functioning democracy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, well said as always, bridget any

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Speaker 2: other resources you want to shout out any final thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 6: I have to just again shout out the work of

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Speaker 6: Cisti Scotus. They have been really doing a lot of

954
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: the work of building this infrastructure to hold Biden accountable

955
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 6: for this campaign promise that he made. So their website

956
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 6: is awesome, The women who run it are awesome, so

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Speaker 6: definitely check them out. You can check out Ultra Violet's work.

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Speaker 6: You know, we are doing a lot of the work

959
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Speaker 6: of trying to inoculate folks against disinformation and like help

960
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 6: people spot it when they see it and identify it.

961
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Speaker 6: So can check us out at we are ultraviolet dot org.

962
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Speaker 6: And of course you can always check out my podcast.

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Speaker 5: There are No Girls on the Internet.

964
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Speaker 6: Check out our new season which is dropping March first,

965
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Speaker 6: and yeah, we would love to have you there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, award winning podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I haven't pbscribe button already?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I agree? Why what are you waiting for?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing with your life?

971
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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Which as this episode releases, that should just be airing

973
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Speaker 2: so perfectly timely, very exciting, and we can't wait to

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Speaker 2: talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: Bridget. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much as

976
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Speaker 3: always for being here.

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Speaker 1: You are the best. We love you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.

979
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Speaker 6: It's been kind of fun talking about this like very

980
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: timely issue that is like happening today as opposed to

981
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Speaker 6: looking back on it.

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Speaker 5: So thank you for giving me the space to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely anytime, and thank you listeners for listening. If

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Speaker 2: you would like to contact us, you can Our email

985
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Speaker 2: is stuff to You mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

986
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Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast

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Speaker 2: or on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You.

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Speaker 1: We love you, do Christta.

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